As someone who's been through this type of thing before, I personally didn't see it as glorifying, it was honestly just awareness which is nothing but good for people who are struggling
Mirza Exactly. If only these parents put in as much effort into stopping real life bullying at their children’s schools as they are complaining about a tv show demonstrating examples of what happens
I don’t understand how it’s glorified, the things she went to and the way she felt is something no one wants to feel, it’s a lonely and sad time, if anyone saw the scene of the actual suicide then they’ll see it’s not glorified, it’s the raw truth and people don’t want to see it
As someone who had almost attempted suicide, 13 reasons why was very real to me. It made me thankful that I didn't end up making the same decision. If anything it's a deterrent, not a "reason why". It shows how much life Hannah still had left in her that she took away. How many people really actually did care about her or ended up realizing their mistakes in the end. It shows how hard it is to juggle so much at once and how alone and isolating it all is. I've been there. I was Hannah. My story could have ended the same way but it didn't. This show placed so much focus on taking responsibility, being more empathetic, and really emphasizing on connecting to other people rather than push them away because of your own issues. It started a REAL dialogue about suicide and honestly I could have used a show like this when I was in high school.
Rachel P Agreeing on what you said and after watching season 2 it gave a whole different perspective and how they actually want to raise awareness for suicide prevention.
Romeo and Juliet glorifies suicide and it’s a mandatory school read throughout the US in high school. 13 reasons why does NOT glorify suicide. They just didn’t sugarcoat it. I think they did a FANTASTIC job w the issue of depression and suicide and showing the reality of it.
tandi guo you're aware that alotta teenagers have committed suicide over those exact reasons right ? Loneliness and depression can make anything small seem so big
In the show it was a lot more that led Hannah to suicide than “a note being taking out of comment bag”. Hannah was raped, betrayed by friends, suffering depression was alone and bullied. Teenagers commit suicide often because of things like that. @tandi guo
First off coming from someone who was sucidal and at a really low point for all my school years...this was not glorifying suicide...I didn’t take it as that. Do people realize this show is probably the closest thing I’ve ever seen that was honest and realistic...people are brutal and so are words and this shit goes on all the time and teachers and people just sit back and watch...they don’t give a shit until someone dies. And that’s the honest truth. It’s sucks that she died but suicides happen all the time. I felt like the show was eye opening...that maybe the people who are the ones hurting people need to realize we all have our issues and that we need to be careful on what we say and how we treat people...this is reality and people like to live with their eyes blindfolded. There are many times I was hurting and people didn’t care they would still say the most horrible things to me...95% of teachers don’t really care but there are 5% that do. I think it’s a great show to bring awareness to students teachers everyone. People need to stop and realize we all go through shit and we need to be more loving and compassion for each other...why not go up to the person sitting alone at lunch and sit with them...why not call a girl beautiful who has eating issues or self image issues...instead we bash make fun of or walk on by...I stand by 13 reasons why and if people are saying it’s causing suicides maybe those people should see how they have treated the person that took their own life and take responsibility and not blame it on a Netflix series !!!
This is probably what also caused the Parkland shooting, I’m in no way sympathizing w/ the shooter but I do believe that we aren’t completely evil by nature and some kind of bullying happened to the kid to provoke what he did! People have to be nice to each other.
Lorraine Rachel as someone who has tried to commit suicide three times, I saw this as nothing but an attention grab at glorifying a REAL mental illness. Seeing kids in my school claim how much they love this show but go right back to being bullies to people who are slightly different makes it absolutely foolish. I wish this show never aired.
I think the problem is that the show makes suicide seem like a great/effective way to get back at everyone who has hurt you in life. It gives kids the message "if you commit suicide, then everyone will know how they hurt you and they will feel sorry about it"
Katie Pecotich these have been discussed in other forms of art like Neon Genesis Evangelion, Neil Gaiman Sandman, moral oral, etc. Expect 13 reasons is more popular than them.
Ryan in fact, showing a suicide at all is not okay. All of the top suicide prevention organisations recommend not to show how the character kills themselves.
I was suicidal and watched 13 Reasons Why. I had my death planned out and everything. Watching it saved my life, and I owe them everything for that. It showed me that if I left, everyone who loved me wouldn't be happy. I would have left a scar on their life forever. I sincerely thank the author, Jay Asher, I didn't think much of it when I read it, but seeing real actors act out the book that kept me barely moving everyday, that has changed my life.
Turtle LPS im glad you've decided to share you're story man, that takes courage, I'm glad you were able to resonate with this show people claim to not help
please don't suicide, I know it might seem hard rn but I promise you that you'll go though it and that theses moments of your life will make you nothing but stronger. ❤️❤️
I don't think it glorified- it's obviously not their intent. I think they are just using a different kind of narrative method to get important points across.
voidxgrimes that explains why Hannah died in Clay's arms in his imagination. Wow. Or the fact they have not reciprocated proper help for Hannah through friends, her guidance councillor, parents or even group therapy. Gasp
The primary issue was that it graphically depicted Hannahs suicide, which can be incredibly triggering for people with suicidal thoughts and tendencies.
Yeah, there was zero glorification. I wanted to throw up... People are just over dramatic, they don't want these kind of issues in the light so they used that excuse.
The fact that a show is suppose to be responsible for this just shows the flaw of our generation. You can’t expect television to parent your kid you’re suppose to teach them these things not blame a tv show . If your kid starts eating people are you going to blame the silence of the lambs ?
Gsibingo yes I would watch a show that encouraged to not get chemo or go to the doctor . I don’t take my life advice from a television show or tv period
It was to show parents, friends, and school counselors that they should take others serious and to becareful with their actions. They had to show mistakes in those characters to watch their consequences and show how something similar can have an effect on the audience also in real matters
Don't you get it? the people who can't handle this stuff are the ones who are actually suicidal and have depression. And you can't just say don't watch it then because everyone has watched this show or told by a friend to watch it. You just can't relate because you don't feel the same way.
Rainbow00 _ well everyone has different opinions about the show so ok I won’t try to change yours. But I never said it wasn’t for everyone just that it didn’t really seem realistic and if you’re over 10 and you still don’t know that your actions affect people then you’ve got a problem. (Not you personally but people who don’t know)
yep. people can't handle the real life issues such as bullying and rape. they want the media to tell them everything is going great. they need the media to tell them that a bullied person who got ostracized and raped won't feel suicidal so they don't have to be responsibled as a society. everyone should be strong on their own, doesn't matter what happen to them. why can't people just let us live in this delusional safe wrapped bubble where everything is fine, no one is suffering etc.
Rainbow00 _ ok all I’m saying that I don’t think it was a good representation and hardly talked about mental health but you don’t have to agree with me
Abigail Isaacs they’re talented actors, yes. But they’re not “brave” for making it. They wanted to be famous and to get money. I’m sure spreading a positive message was a motivation, but not nearly as much as the salary. Just saying.
A E S T H E T I C C A N C E R wow you obviously seem to know a lot, were you an actor that took part of this series? If not then your accusations are invalid, just saying.
As a parent of two teens, I love this series! My kids And I both watched the first season and it opened up very good and in-depth discussions between us.
Honestly, this show healed me. I related with A LOT of the events that happened and i was never able to cope with the things that happened to me. This show made me able to cope with it all FINALLY. I thank god for this show. It saved me.
This show gives kids a chance to talk about many different things that aren't ever spoken about in the real world that our children are faced with on a daily basis. We as parents have to be diligent about knowing what our children can comprehend and how much they can learn about before they are going to be overwhelmed by the information they are offering. So often parents are uncomfortable with talking to their children about these types of things that still occur in our kids life. Because of this, the kids will feel like their parents are not going to be there for them, or they'll never be able to understand what is going on with their life, or that they are on their own. Even worse is when they actually do have a mental health issue that they don't fully understand and the parents are not educated about what they need to look for in their own children or what the warning symptoms are to identify if these children are having problems in their own personal life that can and usually does result in serious health problems or even worse, death. They are incredibly brave to try and educate their audience on this matter especially when everyone believes that their children are actually educated on this subject when in actuality too many children do not have any access to real, truthful, adequate information even though this is not a true story. It's still appealing to many people who prefer to not have a factual lecture on suicide and would rather have something that could possibly relate to their own lives as well as keeping their attention during the show.
Charlotte Lynch Thank you so much! I'm so used to immediately being called "crazy" or that what I think is a so called "imaginary perfect world that is never going to exist" so why do I bother saying "what I think people would benefit from hearing about". My answer is because I have lived in a world that had most of the things that I am talking about now and I fully believe that we are more than capable of making this happen nowadays if we just simply work with each other instead of trying to insult, hurt, or label everyone that is slightly different than what we want them to be!
About 90% of people who commit suicide have a mental illness. Mental illness was not mentioned once in the show. I believe they were glorifying suicide in a way that is usually not the case for most people. Most of us have all gone through bullying, abuses, and our demons, and more than half of those people did not believe suicide to be the way out, unless it affected them mentally. The show does NOTHING to inform the viewer of mental illness, only about bullying. So when an immature kid watches, and they’re getting bullied in school, they could possibly believe that suicide is the answer for them too because they are too young to understand the underlying reasons that were never fucking mentioned. Also, after Hannah dies, her “bullies” start to change and feel bad. What is that telling children? That if you leave, the people who hurt you will feel bad? No. Life will go on. I have lost someone close to suicide, who suffered from mental illness so it really hits home for me. The show should have shifted its focus. I will not be watching nor recommending this bullshit to anyone. And no, it’s not me being “sensitive.” I could understand that it could start discussions amongst parents and children, but it wasn’t done in the right way, idc what anyone says. With a better focus on mental illness perhaps interviewing those will mental illness and seeing how it really feels, it would of been a perfect show.
I personally hate all of the comments saying how this was the "most realistic depiction of depression," because, trust me, it's far from it. The main reason is, it isn't a story about a depressed girl: it's a story about revenge. They don't delve into Hannah's depression, they don't delve into her suicidal thoughts, they just play some cliche "bullying" scenes and then show her slitting her wrists. Most people with depression dont go through the stereotypical tramatic events, its just chemicals in their brain making them hate themselves. The show showed the "hey i think im depressed" depression. That's not depression. Depression is not wanting to get out of bed in the morning because of how long the day is going to be. Depression is making yourself get out of bed because you made obligations with people. Depression is cancelling those plans last minute because you can't work up the courage to talk to people you used to like or do activities you used to love. Depression is feeling the need to hurt yourself because you are just so pissed off at how useless you feel and know that you need to be punished. Depression is hating yourself afterwards because you know that self harm is wrong. Depression is blaming yourself for not being strong enough. Depression is wanting to apologize to everyone for ruining everything, even though you haven't. That's depression, but that's not what the show depicted. I guess real depression doesn't get good ratings. But stupid revenge plots where the protagonist is unlikable and selfish apparently is REALLY good for ratings, so whatever floats your boat.
I know I’m late but Hannah blamed herself for rejecting clay. She said she wasn’t good enough for him and that she felt worthless, how he deserved more than her etc. I’ve been through some of the stuff in Hannah’s life and when she got raped she blamed herself for going to the party. However, I understand where you’re coming from and how the writers didn’t show a lot of Hannah’s true emotions but in season 2 it gave a whole other image and perspective on each person on the tapes.
If someone is mentally unstable or even just in a bad place, this show might look like a good way to get revenge because the characters all feel bad for hannah at the end and to a suicidal person that looks appealing because right now noone might notice them but suicide would give them attention. It's hard for you and me to understand cuz we aren't like that, but that's how they think.
Skylar Sawtelle but if people watch this series and somehow get the message that Hannah did the right thing then that says more about them then it does the show, and also isn’t the show’s fault since that was never the message they intended. They can’t help what other viewers get out of it
I don't speak for all suicidal people but I've been suicidal before and I personally have known other suicidal people and none of us ever thought to commit suicide for attention. When you think of commiting suicide, you consider it because you believe the people in your life are better off without you. That, or you really have nothing left to live for. Doing it because you think you'll get attention after is the least likely reason. As far as I know, no suicidal person hopes to be on the news or the talk among town as "the girl/boy who killed herself". You really think you're contributing to society by eliminating something hopeless and bothersome--yourself. I used to cut myself when I was suicidal but I never did it for attention. I did it to "feel" something. Because when you have severe depression you are just so empty inside and the pain of cutting makes you feel alive again if only for a brief moment. Many suicidal people hide their scars with sleeves. If they wanted to do it for attention, they wouldn't try to hide it or lie about it when someone asks what they are. In fact, even suicidal people feel embarrassed by their scars like its a reminder of "oh look how weak I am to resort to this" But again, I'm just speaking from personal experience and from other suicidal people I know. Everyone has their own reasons. If you know anyone who is suicidal, please talk to them. They may try to deny it or joke it off but pay close attention to the signs and talk to them.
Lots of people saying they've experienced suicidality and don't see it as glorifying. Just to put it out there: as someone who has just been discharged out of psych ward for these issues, I 100% think it romanticises suicide and makes it appear immortalising and beautifully tragic and mysterious. It adds to an already dangerous online culture of romanticisation of mental illnesses and turns suicidality into a fashionable current quirk. Deaths have taken place mimicking content in this show. Multiple deaths. Even 1 death is too high a price to pay. Producers ignored advice specifically from suicide prevention organisations against showing an explicit suicide scene but they went ahead and did so anyway BECAUSE SHOCK SELLS. I find that dangerous and exploitative. Dear Selena Gomez, stop selling and profiting off my illness. These warnings are definitely a step in the right direction, but cannot possibly undo the damage already done.
Eleanor Avon Yes, thank you! This show isn't trying to help, if they wanted to do that they would have listened to the professionals. They're just trying to make money
Hardly Selena's fault/any executive producer's fault as they didn't have much creative control over this show. The writer for the suicide scene has written an article defending his reasons for leaving it here and it was because he attempted suicide (ODed) and it was really gruesome and painful and he felt that people needed to see the scene in full to understand that suicide looks like that, not a pretty girl lying peacefully in her bathroom. I don't agree with him but I can definitely see his perspective. It did help many people as well as triggered others. I don't think it's charitable to say that he, a survivor, is trying to exploit the cause.
Relived my high school experience watching this show. And during those times at 16 in 9th grade I was serverly bullies and also I lost my mom. They had no idea outside school I was a nurse a cook a doctor a comfort and was to tired at school to be like anyone else and fit in. I never turned to suicide. Watching this proved strength in myself. Like damn I survived all that.. I'm now 27 and never felt so helpless since those years. This show opens eyes but also a fair trigger to less adapt emotional humans
I don’t agree with them having to put the warning on there than scary movies or drug movies, etc, having to put a warning on there. They are not glorifying suicide. They are simply making people more aware of the consequences of their actions when they encounter people bc you never know what they are going or through or the effect of ones actions.
The thing is that people are gonna bitch no matter what measures they take bc it can be sensitive content at times and you have those kids who ignore the warnings then complain they were triggered, and somehow thats still the shows fault(??)
It's only so they can't get sued when a dumb ass uses their ideas for suicide. It's like all these dumb fucks go kill someone and blame Friday the 13th or steal a car and blame GTA. Fucking idiots who can't take responsibility for their own actions and put the blame where it really belongs. Oh look my kid, friend, siblings etc watches this movie and killed themselves. I'm gonna go get a paycheck from the creators of 13 reasons why. IDIOTS!!!
I am an adult. I bought the book from a thrift store and wondered what all the hoop la was about, So I read it. I thought it was brilliant. I think it's a good idea to not make suicide tabu, like it was when I was a teenager. I couldn't talk to my parents about my suicidal feelings; they wouldn't have cared. I swallowed a full bottle of aspirin when I was 13 years old. I obviously didn't die, but became very sick. I told my Mom what I had done and that I was feeling sick. She told me "well, that's what you get". I finally started getting professional therapy when I got married, years later. I hope this book and show helps those who don't know how to ask for help, get lifesaving help.
Im a struggling and this was quite hard to watch, I spend a week feeling blue and mom told me that should have a warning, but then again there are people who are going to watch it anyway an may not even know they are struggling
If this show “glorifies suicide” then every cop show or making a murder “glorifies murder” It’s crap. I love the show and it opens up important topics, if a unstable kid who is influenced easy and can’t be independent can be manipulated by the show then they shouldn’t be watching it
stewjd76 true. But any show can affect any age. I just don’t understand why this might make someone want to try suicide. I saw Hannah’s hurt and her family but i don’t see it saying oh hey this is cool or anything
ernie samora exactly! But I guess it could help them show that others go through this and suicide isn’t the only way. I just don’t see how it “glorifies” suicide
Taylor Taylor I didn’t read the book. But I think it was better with the parents finding her instead of clay. Because it shows a stronger bond than some friend. That scene was sad :(
I have struggled with depression in the past. Watching the show made me feel terrible and aware of my depression again, so I stopped watching it. I think a warning is good.
I enjoyed watching the first season. I always wanted to find out more of Hannah’s story. I had strong feelings for the characters and what they were going through. But at the same time, I can’t see how this show is supposed to help young people who have these feelings or have dealt with these topics. Some characters would abuse alcohol to deal with their issues and not go to a counselor or tell anyone what was going on in their lives. Th only one who tried to talk and go to counseling, ended up taking her own life. So I’m not sure how this is trying to help others, but the only thing I learned from this season is that you need to make sure you let people know they matter before it’s too late.
Gareth D a-lot of kids parents don’t care about talking with there kids. Divorce.. a-lot of single parents... i c in our town... kids dressing like clowns Where are the parents??? Just not there for there kids anymore. I was not that kind of parent... i cared and had family meetings. So important to know whats going on...I’ve even followed my daughter cuz i knew she was lying where she was going. You can tell if you know your kid.. just by looking at them!!!!
I found the first season amazing and eye-opening!! It was very well done and honestly portrayed very real issues our young ppl are facing. I think it should be required viewing with a parent to op n that dialogue wide!! I watched it with my 13 yo and took the opportunity to tell him suicide is a permanent solution for a temporary problem!!! I love the ‘warning’ messenging additions and all of the other resources added!!! Looking forward to watching the next season with my son. 💚
Gina in Spades no shade. But it's not portraying "real issues young people are having". It's what adults think is happening but it's happening very differently. And that's one of the problems
Naima Elmo Many actual suicides have happened in real life in recent past due to these very reasons. All the best to you and I’m so glad that you and your circle of friends are not dealing with these issues!!!
Gsibingo I appreciate your opinion. I disagree that this fictional creation required experts and caveats and disclaimers but I applaud the additional steps being taken by the producer.
This show tries really hard to do something it ultimately fails at. The world of the show is unrealistic and does not truly convey the way a depressed and suicidal person would truly deal with their issues.
Inside the show when the main character tells the school councilor she doesn't want to exist (I don't remember the exact lines but it was something very very suicidal sounding). Right then and there any school professional would be calling someone to get the student escorted to a hospital to be mentally evaluated. There's a lot of other fucked up harmful uneducated parts to this show but this part alone should be enough. It directly makes a watcher feel like they won't be taken seriously if they bring their suicidal thoughts to an adult. A watcher should have felt the opposite and it should have been made clear that you need to come to adults when your feeling suicidal.
Marlena Kathleen interesting, when I seen that part it made me think that professionals or even others who someone talks to should take what they say seriously and not just brush it under a rug. Maybe you're the only one who listens, maybe you'll be the only one who they tell so you need to listen and support them. Get them the help they need from the right professionals. I didn't think of it as that if you're suicidal, people won't listen and won't help. I interpreted it more as there are faults in the system that need to be addressed.
Farren Downing agree with you. Think about all of those anti bullying assembly things. And a 0 tolerance for bullying rules and yet nothing (from my experience) ever gets done about it.
A councilor at my school actually called the parents of a student that hinted at suicide once ... You see .. Nothing actually happened because the student wouldn't comply .. So it was out of their control
The thing is that there have been cases where a school has known about severe incidents like the ones in this show (particularly the bullying and sexual assault), but haven't wanted to do anything about it, because they have a reputation to uphold as being a place where something like that doesn't happen. Their logic is that if they ignore it then it doesn't exist. Believe it or not, it does happen. I was bullied through primary school, and the school did absolutely nothing about it, even going so far as to protect the bully, so yeah, I found the part with the counselor particularly relatable.
I think it highlights all the things that can go wrong, that’s why. When you’re suicidal, depressed etc. you always think about “worse case scenario”. What if I’m not taken seriously? What if I wasn’t here anymore, how many would actually care? Or I wish I could make a statement about my suicide because I want other people to know their place in it, to be held responsible for how they made me feel... I want them to feel guilty. The “I also hate myself, I’d be better off, everyone would be.” “She did it for attention”, she was weak and couldn’t handle it... etc. These are all thoughts (in one form or another) ppl who are suicidal or depressed feel. Thoughts that peoplel think about it.
ozair khaliq well buddy, as a proud American I gotta say you're a little stupid for saying that, not all Muslims are terrorists not all mexicans or colombians are drug dealers and not all Americans are stupid. It's just the people that are easily influenced by other people aka the sheep, so if one of them says the sky is purple the rest just follow
Orlando Arody you too (can't differentiate between fictional and reality) if you think that everyone in the world is insensitive and unaffected. People are different. Deal with it. That's reality.
I'm not sensitive, and I still think it sucked. It's completely unrealistic. The characters in the show either have only redeeming qualities or none at all, we as an audience are forced to hate these people and not create our own judgement on the characters. They have absolutely no personality outside of them being an asshole. There's also many plot holes about the character's motivation for doing things, like the guy that was stalking Hannah and taking pictures. It's never really explained why he does these things. Hannah's tapes were just there for the "retro is cool now" aesthetic. No one in real life would record hours of their own voice, have it sent to other peoples houses and kill themselves. A written note would be more common. It didn't show the sorrow her death caused, it showed the people that were around her feel guilty for her death when they shouldn't be. They were not responsible for her death, Hannah was, she made that choice. I honestly expected Hannah to be a more complex character and give us a rare insight to what someone suicidal is like, but like all the other characters, she's lazily written. The show just shows her overreacting to small things and under reacting to things that no one should experience. Also the parents in the show weren't doing any parenting. Some were assholes and some were just neglectful. Some people would make the argument that Hannah pushed hers away, but the fact is that her parents saw something wrong and didn't think to ask their child "what's wrong?"
This show failed. I’ve seen kids claim that bullying is disgusting but in the same breath talk bad about someone else. Every time I see someone who I’ve seen say terrible things with their friends about some one else say “I love this show!” makes it so much harder to even take seriously. It brought the wrong attention and in my opinion made the whole situation worse.
That doesn't showcase that the show failed... that just highlights that our kids have a problem... The fact that children refuse to act on this show's the message is not a sign of the shows failing.
When 13RW came out I was really depressed and I loved the show, but admittedly it did make it worse for me and my best friend and it did make it seem like death was an option.
I don’t think there are bad intentions behind the show, but there was certainly a significant level of ignorance with how the first season was handled. I mean the fact is the show triggered many people, mostly teens, to have suicidal thoughts or to consider following through with suicide more seriously. That’s not debatable, that’s what happened. And I personally think that reaction would have been easily predicted by most professionals with experience in that area of mental health, so it was disappointing to see how shocked they were at the backlash. Still though kudos to them for acknowledging the issue and taking some steps to address it.
parents couldn’t take the fact that they know nothing of what their teenagers are going through, so obviously being in denial they’re ought to disagree in some way or another, especially when their parenting skills are being questioned. The warning isn’t going to stop anybody from watching it, but it will prevent these accusations.
Andrea oliveros This isn't about maturity. This is a threat to whoever is depressed or going through some form of mental illness which could encourage them to "end their lives and take revenge or get sympathy from everyone because they are gone now." Please think before you comment. This show isn't harmful to people who don't suffer from mental illnesses but it could encourage a depressed person to take their own life.
Kelly Malone well kelly I don’t think you do because if you truly were you wouldn’t be calling me immature you would be rethinking your answer & re evaluating on what I just said. I’m extremely educated that is why I stated what I did. I don’t think you read it clear. I said what I said now if you don’t agree you don’t. It’s NOT mature of you to try to change someone’s opinion there’s millions who will agree with me & you as well. So move along now I think it’s best you study a bit more my love.
Not mature enough? Does the show come with an IQ/ maturity test rating? Nope? Oh yeah it's rated PG 16. You're not mature enough (or educated enough) to know that people have different reactions to this?
I get that they are trying to show that people should be more compassionate but the show overall comes off (to a depressed person only) as "You have no hope. No one cares about you when you're alive. Take your life, then people will think about you." It would have been better if the high school characters in the show were taught a lesson after hannah eventually and gradually comes out with the truth (to her therapist perhaps?) and hannah eventually becomes alright. It sounds like a "happily ever after story" but it would give some sort of hope to people going through this to stay strong and could also teach the viewers watching this hannah's struggle and pain. Well I get that it won't happen because it was based off a book but I don't know this is just my opinion. But please try to express your opinion without sounding angry. That is what I call immature. ( sorry xD)
This TV series was the closest thing to realistic, a lot of adults do not understand what goes on at school, the teachers at school BARELY do anything to stop bullying. This is coming from a person who was bullied and was suicidal. Yes, teachers tell us that bullying is bad, if you're being bullied talk to a trusted adult, sometimes they'll think we're being silly, or they handled the problem wrong. Thats why most of us don't speak up. This show is eye opening, it showed many people what happens at school, what teachers do, students will lie, students handle the problems themselves. Teachers won't care until someone is dead or injured. All they do is talk to us to try and talk it out and they try to find a solution, they tell us don't ever let this happen again then case closed. This show has no intention to make us harm ourselves, This show is trying to give a message to teens and adults, it's trying to make us realize that what goes on in school isn't child's play. Think about school, teens, and bullying, teens can basically do anything to try and harm another teen. Hell a Teenager was a shooter at a school. Again this show is trying to open up our eyes, and make us realize that bullying is not a damn game, when you're making fun of someone you might think it's funny, but when you're the victim and you hear every insult they tell you, it starts to get to you to the point where you feel that you're worth nothing, to the point where you don't want to hear it anymore, to the point where you want to harm yourself. So please this show is just showing what happens at school, this show might even be someone's life right now and you don't even know it.
Thank you as a victim of bullying I agree completely!People do not understand the brutality in words.The nonstop harassment. Even when you try to do the polite and right thing like walk away.Bullies won't let you they want and enjoy your suffering.Please continue to stay strong💪!I also want people to know work place bullying is just as real and vile as school bullying.It happens everyday at every kind of job.We as a society need to be better.Stop gossiping and fighting with eachother.You don't have to like everybody but keep your rude and cruel words to yourself.No body deserve that.
I love seeing everyone's different opinions on the show. I watched it after learning about it and it opened the door for my 13 year old and I to sit down and have a very serious conversation about suicide and self harm. It really blew my mind how mentally mature my daughter was at approaching this subject. Parent...don't be afraid to talk to your children...and children, don't be afraid to talk to your parents. It's a very serious issue that needs to be recognized openly so those suffering do NOT feel alone.
This disclaimer fails to tackle one major issue: The show portrays suicide as a potentially vengeful act. Suicidal people would *never* seek to get revenge on others by way of a suicide. The notion that a suicidal person would even be thinking of this in their final moments is fucked up. I believe that the viewers who aren't struggling with mental health issues themselves will watch this show and be taught that suicidal people are whiny and attenion-seeking (which is inaccurate).
I’m glad because it did glamorize suicide. In the show Hannah essentially gets revenge and everyone who ever treated her wrong is ridden with guilt. This shows people who are suicidal or being bullied that ending your life can finally give you revenge on anyone who has ever mistreated you by making them feel ashamed. And that’s not the right answer so I’m glad they are addressing that.
DylanDK Bradley I don’t agree. Yes her family was sad and her classmates. However, why did she feel the need to make these tapes and single out different people who wronged her? That’s basically saying “This is what you did and you’re the reason I’m dead and I hope you have a guilty conscience for the rest of your life as payback.” I think she saw suicide as payback and that’s what motivated her to do it which is not why anyone should take their own life.
Ah, but there is a difference between that, and the whole suicide being what some people are deeming a revenge suicide. Her purpose in committing the suicide itself was not revenge, it was her inability to deal with the events that had happened to her, and her feeling of isolation in trying to deal with these things, all on top of what was likely depression. The tapes however, are a completely different kettle of fish, there is a valid argument that they were solely for revenge, and that would be an argument that I would be inclined to agree with. It still doesn't make the suicide itself centered on revenge.
SpottedLeafy Yeah I think everything she went through definitely were factors that drove her to suicide. However, if revenge were not a factor at all then she would not have made the tapes. Honestly the fact that she made them so that everyone would feel guilty made it hard for me to empathize with her character and like her.
I didn't like her as a character either, especially regarding those earlier tapes and episodes. I thought she was rather petty. I think there are different ways of looking at the suicide and the tapes, and their relationship. The way I saw the situation was that Hannah was going to have committed the suicide, tapes or not. Therefore, while I can see the tapes as being solely for revenge (though I think there might be something a little more complex here too), I can't see the suicide as being revenge based (even if by the time she thought of the tapes, she hadn't thought of killing herself). The way I saw it anyway, was that she had already decided to kill herself when she even came up with the idea of the tapes, hence making revenge more of an afterthought than a driving factor. But I can see how there may be a few ways to interpret it. Though my question with this new warning is, why wasn't the fact that they actually put warnings at the start of the more disturbing episodes (all of the last few), along with its rating (here in Australia, it's MA15+) enough for people? At what point is it fair to stop blaming the show, and start questioning why parents are allowing their kids to watch it in the first place? There are plenty of shows out there that are completely unsuitable for the age group we are talking about here, but none of them are getting the same attention as this one. Is it because we are that uncomfortable discussing this topic? As for the glorifying of the suicide itself, I certainly didn't see it that way, nor did majority of my age group (early 20s). I think it was the actual suicide scene itself that really shattered this idea. I could barely watch the scene, and I'm not generally squeamish or anything, it actually made me really, really uncomfortable, and I think a majority of people would agree with me there. Sure there are going to be a few people who think that by mimicking this, they might get their 15 minutes of fame, but it's certainly not the majority, definitely not to the extent people are implying, and it would be the same, no matter how this subject was broached.
Daily Crap actually some people commit suicide for things that arnt nearly as bad as what hannah went through, so she was probalbly so sick of the shit and so angry that she did that and kinda got revenge, i mean, someone fucking raped her i mean thats deep. Ba dun tssss, anyway i would want to get revenge if someone did that, and then no one continued to care n stuff.
'buy a brain' XD you must be one of those cyber-idiots they talk about on TV. Or maybe you're in middle school???? If that's the case, you aren't old enough to even be affiliated with 13 Reasons Why so you shouldn't even be apart of this discussion anyways
I'm someone who does have major psych issues including overdosing and thoughts of suicide and unmedicated. But I watched the first season of this show. And it actually helped me. You dont think about what impact the loss of someone has on loved ones. But this shows the aftermath of how people react after your gone. I applaud Selena and the rest of the crew on this show. I will continue to watch.
As someone who struggled with suicidal tendencies as a teen, sexual abuse, and bullying and who STILL struggles with severe depression with occasional suicide ideology I did not find this show to be glorifying of suicide. If anything, I felt less alone because someone else had to experience what I did to have enough understanding to make her seem so REAL. I also felt it was a great wake up call for those NOT struggling. They need to know how deep despair can go, and what signs to watch for, and even the possible consequences of their own actions toward others. I was thankful, and still AM thankful for this show and have every intention of reading the book.
I can’t believe people are acting like this is a negative thing 😂 this show is realistic, and shows the truth. It’s not some fake high school movie. It shows things that truly happen to people in high school. And that’s why people can’t handle it. They don’t wanna see the truth.
Actually, lot's of people found it unrealistic me included. The events that happened seemed unrealistic and random and Hannah just suddenly decides to kill herself without any indication except the tapes.
I remember my school sent out letters warning us to not watch it and stuff but honestly, 13RW was a huge wake-up call to me. It is a show that is not for everyone out there, but it shows the harsh reality of the MANY problems teens goes through. They didn't gloss over it, sugarcoat it and all that, they showed it as the nightmare it is for many. I don't regret watching this at all.
Before everyone comes and says that people are just sensitive, and the show opens up new conversations and such, know this: While the show may be a catalyst for healthy conversations, for the most part, it goes about this the wrong way. The Nation Suicide Prevention has set down a list of ways to portray suicide in a way that does not glamorize it. The shows breaks many of these rules, such as not explicitly detailing the method of the act, and not showing the character after he/she has killed himself/herself.
iBrow inc. It's ridiculous, there are a lot of movies that show murders and dead people, nobody gives a shit but when they show a real taboo problem in teenagers everybody screams out. The Nation Suicide Prevention can teach ways to raise people that can think by themselves and know it's just a show.
Ok no wow ur smarter than actual professionals who studied this and know what the fuck they're talking about. you're so intelligent. such an intellectual.
I understand where you're coming from having read some of those guidelines myself, and based on that you do have a point, but the definition of glamorizing is to make something seem desirable. If they'd gone with the method of suicide Hannah chooses in the book and shown that in graphic detail then I'd agree with you wholeheartedly because that would look too peaceful and perfect and for someone struggling that could seem desirable, but I feel that the choice to change the suicide method and to show it in such harrowing detail such as her physical pain, her mother's reaction and the muted colours makes it seem entirely undesirable, ergo that would not be glamorizing. I don't wish to dismiss your feelings or opinion on this, I just wanted to voice my own.
I'm glad they did this series. One of my children has suicidal thoughts and has mental illness. I think they are bringing awareness to the real issues out there.
If anything, this show saved my life. I wasn't suicidal, but I think if a few more horrible things happened, I could have slipped into those cracks. This show helped me open up and say to friends, family, trusted adults "I need help, I don't know what to do." This show did not glorify suicide and it's the people who are afraid to talk about suicide (and other matters addressed in this show) who are the ones that think this show does such. I am so grateful for the realness this show brings to television and that it addresses one important thing: the world is not pretty, there are ugly things that happen, but that doesn't mean we can't start a conversation about it without losing ourselves to the darkness.
juwan wesley someone has to take the blame and it won't be Romeo & Juliet. Ppl now a days are too damn sensitive. Ppl can't take responsibility for their own actions
I think that they're absolutely right to say that if you are struggling with mental health issues that the show is probably not right for you. It's easy for someone who has never dealt with depression or being actively suicidal to say that the people affected by this show "aren't mature enough" or are "too sensitive," but showing a girl dying after cutting her wrists is extremely psychologically damaging for people with actual issues. a lot of you in the comment section coming from a place of ignorance and are assuming that every person who watched the show has the exact same mental health that you have. saying that people with suicidal depression are "too sensitive" is perpetuating the same message that this show was trying to subvert.
I think it’s glorifying suicide because it shows that Hannah didn’t have any other choices. She could have talked to her parents, clay , and even a counselor. I understand the things that happened to her are horrible and I wish that upon no one but she had many choices and the show was trying to portray it as though she didn’t and was completely alone and no one cared for her but that’s far from it. That’s my opinion.
Haven L it’s not glorifying suicide . It’s not sugarcoating it , they are showing the harsh raw reality of suicide , which is sad but true . She did try to seek help to the counselor , and really ? Yes she could’ve talked to her parents and stuff but it’s not as easy as it sounds , a lot of suicidal people are scared to open up and tell their friends and family they are suicidal
I was struglering so do/did alot of my friends who watched this! When this came out I was so happy for it showed people that this happends, we are not a little corn of dust you can sweep away. Tired of buring friends and family from suicide. This is a talk everyone need to do.
If they actually paid attention to what they were told not to do in this show by multiple mental health professionals, this show likely wouldn't have gotten nearly as much backlash. They were advised not to actually depict the suicide, which they not only did, but they also proceeded to make it particularly graphic. I can't remember everything that they were told not to do, but they basically did all of them and that show caused so many people to relapse, even those who read the book with no problem and knew (or thought they knew) what they were in for. Aside from all that, from what I've seen, the writing just seems really weak. The characters are bland and underdeveloped and I don't really get why the show is so popular. I really hope Season 2 either doesn't do well or is just the last season anyway. Yes, these things need to be brought to light and discussed, but do it in a way that doesn't prevent people with these problems from watching the show and participating in said discussion. What good is starting a dialogue without making space for the people living with these issues? And when you're tackling suicide and rape and you're told by professionals, whose speciality is dealing with those exact things, how not to handle them in your show then maybe you should fucking DO WHAT THEY SAY.
KOSMOSandTELOS Yeah. I just feel like the book was so great and then the show just was a let down. And I didn't actually think they would have depicted the sucide the way they did especially since in the book I'm pretty sure she had overdosed. The suicide was a little much.
KOSMOSandTELOS I (as someone who’s been suicidal and suffers from depression) I can’t buy the whole “the show made me relapse”, I just think it’s an excuse for lack of self control or to act out how they’ve been feeling because they have the urge to. I get that things could be triggering but that’s where you have to not put yourself in those situations. If you are suicidal or have depression and it’s harder for you to deal with maybe, you shouldn’t watch a show about those issues, especially if it’s going o compel those thoughts. And this is coming from someone who’s last “incident” was about 4 months ago. A show doesn’t make me do anything to myself, I do that or factors in my life do. And I’m not going to make excuses for it.what happens is I (have anxiety and ptsd as well as ADHD and Bipolar 1) have panic attacks (and they come in all forms) and often I’m not in my right mind and hurt myself or have destructive thought patterns. But there has to (usually) be a DIRECT cause, not and indirect cause like a show. It’s not that simple and I think everyone wants it to be, because it’s such a hard topic to talk about or bring attention to. It’s easier to say “it’s the shows fault” than take any real responsibility on any part of the spectrum.
Relapse was a poor choice of words, I'll admit that. But I'm sure you know that depression doesn't affect everyone the exact same way. Just because you experience it a certain way, doesn't mean every person with depression does. Just because something happening in a TV show isn't enough for *you* to have a panic attack (and possible mental breakdown), doesn't mean it can't happen to someone else. Your experience is the only one you can actually speak on. There isn't only one way for depression to work. Also, blame for a lot of the reactions people had to the show *is* the fault of the people behind it, and by extension the show itself. Because not only were they told exactly what not to do with the show by mental health professionals, but the book already told this story in a way that didn't cause such damage that the show did.
"Also, blame for a lot of the reactions people had to the show is the fault of the people behind it, and by extension the show itself. Because not only were they told exactly what not to do with the show by mental health professionals, but the book already told this story in a way that didn't cause such damage that the show did. " How about triggered people just don't watch it, hmm? But I guess not, because then, they wouldn't have an excuse to brain their already suicidal tendencies on.
That would be a reasonable argument. However, as I said in my first comment, there are numerous people with mental illnesses that had a variety of negative reactions to the show that *read the book prior to the show coming out* and were not affected by the book, because the book handles things in a sensitive and tactful way that the people who created the show were obviously incapable of. The fact remains that the writers of the show handled these sensitive topics in a very careless manner. They were told what kinds of effects the show would have and they did it anyways. There was a better way for them to go about things that was already written out for them in the goddamn source material but they chose to be edgy and ramp things up to an unnecessary level. Should people with suicidal thoughts/tendencies or any other mental conditions related to the content in the show watch it? No, probably not. Did they have any real way of knowing exactly what they were in for when the show first came out and people weren't really discussing it yet? Not really. There were warnings, sure, but apparently there were a number of things that the show didn't warn people of, which is extremely careless when dealing with a show about this kind of subject matter. Also, side note, some people don't even know they have any significant triggers. I didn't think I had any until about a month ago. Kinda hard to prepare yourself for something or avoid something when you don't know it's even an issue for you. Wouldn't be surprised if that was the case for some people with regards to this show.
What I love about the show is how open and blunt it is. Suicide is scary. The ending of the series chilled me and had me in tears. I don't think the series aimed to glorify it, but wanted to spread its awareness.
If I'm being completely honest this show has helped me so freaking much its amazing. It taught me to reach out to those when I'm in need and that you never know whats going on in someone's life so just be kind. When I was on the brink of suicide; as pathetic as it sounds this show reminded me that I'm not alone. This is a bit off topic but I've watched them film in my hometown and the ammount of work they put in to make sure this really helps others in need is phenomenal. I was talking to some of the people on set and they said they film for hours. It was around 9:00pm that I got there and it was freezing cold. One of the guards said they'd most likely be filming until 7 in the morning. This cast really puts the work into this show because they believe that this will help someone. Well look at me, obviously this show has.
. Does no one realize that suicide is the leading cause of death in young people. Yet we never talk about it or tell our children or friends or family. This show was so eye opening. There has hardly been any talk about suicide in the media but this got us talking. It’s such a creative way to show things that are actually happening right now. And to all the parents that think this just tells us that the only way to fix things is by killing yourself I honestly think you’re wrong.
katie edmond We talk about suicide all the time in schools. Even if we don't talk about it enough (maybe it's different where you live), this show had so many opportunities to do better that it didn't take. For example, literally just following the rules for showing suicide
Maeve M I one hundred percent see where your coming from but sometimes learning about it in schools don’t really capture the attention of some students while giving us something that could turn “popular” was a lot better, but it had so much potential for it to be a lot better yes. People have every right not to watch it though.( but no I don’t learn about suicide at my school which I think is actually retarded)
I love this so much. Because I really did feel like it was giving the wrong idea of suicide, as a person who suffers from depression I avoided this show for that very reason. So this makes me happy.
1.completely romanticizes the issue 2. It ignores all the rules for portraying suicide in the media set by The American Foundation of Suicide Prevention (including showing Hannah kill herself) 3. Makes suicide look like a way of getting back, Hannah got everything she wanted when she killed herself, in real life their is no last laugh for a victim. It's basically a revenge fantasy where the revenge is SUICIDE 4. Makes the option of getting help and speaking up look pointless I wouldn't really care but this show is aimed at teens and young adults the most likely ages to commit suicide. Also this show completely misrepresents mental illness, depression, suicide and bullying. I do believe that shows can be made for teens that depict suicide, but not this one
I'm not trying to argue but those are strong opinions that you have just like everyone else has a different opinion about it. We are not going to always agree on issues. It's just that in this case people are divide about this show.
Children also need to be taught to not only be open about issues in their lives that could lead to depression and suicidal thoughts but to cope with those thoughts and deal with them in ways other than suicide attempts. It is an important life lesson to learn how to be a fighter and battle through those tough moments in life and over come all obstacles
It's cause kids these days are so impressionable and think the smallest thing is the worst thing ever, If they feel that way, then they won't handle adulthood. It's stupid there needs to be a warning over such an ignorant suffering show.
No part if this story ever felt like it was created by someone who had struggled with suicidal tendencies. Just profited off of them. Smacking a warning label on doesn't actually change the glorification, thanks for trying tho.
I watched the show myself and I felt the complete opposite. They put a lot of care and strategy into the show. It was accurate in depicting depression and suicdal tendencies. It even touched a realistic moment with sexual assault victims. This show is no glorification of anything. This show is more educational than most.
I think the only glorification came from stupid tumblr people making romantic tags for Clay and Hannah ... Other than that it was an interesting take on suicide
Can you elaborate on how this show glorified suicide? People keep throwing that around but noboy actually says what about it made it seem "glamorous", desireable, or like a good idea in any way. As someone who has struggled with suicidal tendencies I feel stronly about this topic, however I didnt see this with this show.
Personally, I feel that it runs the risk of treating suicide as what my friend and I tend to call catastrophe-porn - showing the worst-case scenario of something horrible, and making it edgy, and fascinating, and almost appealing in how terrible it is. It's a cultural norm at this point, and I think it happens a lot. But honestly, the main reason is that... I feel like at no point in the story does it treat Hannah's suicide as a choose, but rather as an almost unavoidable consequence. The power behind her taking her own life is dispersed between various people, who she blames for her death. I feel like she hands all of the responsibility for her suicide to other people, and they start to realize the monsters they've become, and wrestle with things they should have been wrestling with for years. Firstly, I think that putting your suicide on someone else's hands is not acceptable for any reason. They may trigger you, and your disease may blind you to the option of living - keeping on can seem impossible, and too exhausting and painful to be worth it - but in the end it is a choice, unless you actually shut down of heart break (I can't remember what the medical term for that is). Secondly, I feel like it risks giving the impression that if you die for it, you can change people. Too often, at our lowest, we are tempted to feel that if we remove ourselves from the equation, things would finally start to change, and people will finally be held accountable for their actions. I'd rather see a story of someone surviving, and making change occur once they come out the other side of suicidal depression. (just personally) And thirdly, the fact that Hannah's death is treated as almost unavoidable, I feel like it offers an air of inevitability to a tragic end for rape victims/people with depression/those who struggle with being bullied and slandered. These people deserve to know that they hold the power to change their lives - that they may be victims, but they are also more than that, and that nobody else can write their story. The reality of losing a friend, or the quiet kid at school, is almost never something people would want to base a show on. It's horrible, and quiet, and forgotten, and the people who are jerks don't always notice or care, and the people who are the most broken are the ones who you would have wanted to be friends with if you could have long enough to know them. Every artist is free to express themselves in whatever way they choose, but when you back it with a budget, and send it into the world for millions of viewers, there's a responsibility that comes with that. Personally, after losing ten years of my life to suicidal depression, and after having suffered through sexual harassment from a professor, I have to say that this was a trigger for me, and not one I enjoyed. The horror-film mode of the trailers felt dehumanizing, and the mood of the story was hurtful to me. I appreciate the warning label, but I feel like that's putting the weight on the viewers to be healthy - not the show.
Princess Purity tbh there are tons of movies where someone over comes suicide .. And the reason I thought 13 Reasons why was cool was because I felt like it mainly centered around the people left behind Like whenever someone commits suicide that is always the entire focus .. However the show takes it deeper and into the lives of regular people and how they cope with the tragedy I mean yeah a lot is unrealistic af but it's a television show after all .. It's supposed to be dramatized and works of fiction I was also a victim of sexual assault while I was very much underage and I was bullied into depression ... So a lot of what happened I could actually relate to believe it or not (from the fabricated stories to pictures to backstabbing friends to harassment) and I can 100% say that it didn't trigger me at all because it was, as I said, fiction I can understand why you'd think they romanticized suicide , All to their own I suppose
struggling with several of the issues in this show my self, it didn't push me toward suicide. it was like a breath of fresh air. like someone saying 'hey, you're not alone.' i dont understand how it was glamorized at all. quite frankly, i believe its eye-opening.
Parents will find any reason to complain about something, it glorifies suicide? Did they watch the final episode where she slits her wrists open? That was fucking horrifying and painful to watch. The show is about a girl who needed help, didnt know how to ask for it and when she tried no one ever heard her.
The final episode is literally one of the worst problems. It's like a how-to guide on killing yourself and breaks all the rules given, (by professionals!) on how to go about the topic of suicide
I think the idea of this show was good, but it was just very poorly executed and did not seem relatable at all as a teenager in current society(dont @ me lol)
well yeah, the tape part wasn't relatable, and neither was most of the show. To me, it felt like it was made not by actual teenagers, but by adults who think they know what teenagers these days are like. It wasn't real at all and the chemistry between most of the characters just felt forced in my opinion.
Rainbow00 _ from wat I remember Hannah wanted help but doesn’t say anything & just expect everyone to know wat she’s thinking & she’s way too sensitive
Emily Ferguson our generation (teens) are pussies saying shit like “my life is so hard im depressed i wanna die” boo hoo they need to get a grip if a tv show offends them due to dealing with topics that they find hard to swallow cause they are entitled twats who think life will be a breeze. Our generation has it THE BEST AND EASIEST IN HISTORY we have better schools, internet, phones, medicine, more opportunities than anyone else and i know people face hardships and would consider suicide cause they were raped,abused and had bad experiences but I guarantee they wouldn’t want to wallow in sadness cause when ive suffered trauma i try to more forward and if this show gets to you YOU ARE WEAK
it doesn't "glorify" suicide, it makes people aware of these huge problems that may not be talked about everyday. but, some people may use this as an idea, "oh hannah killed herself and made 13 tapes and got revenge, i could do the same"
Its a good idea to put that "warning" at the idea...I'm glad they are doing that. So good that they are addressing and talking about all of this on such a main stage!
It’s a bit late don’t you think? This series really didn’t help me. And I already talk to my parents. The series glamourises suicide, the main character kills herself to get revenge on her bullies. And that’s not how it works. I’m sorry but there should be more then a warning for this show, age restriction is a starter.
If you think the character kills herself to get revenge on her bullies, then you aren't actually understanding it. Hannah kills herself because she is depressed, she is depressed for a number of reasons. The suicide itself was what Hannah saw as her only way out, it wasn't a direct revenge act on her bullies. The TAPES however, are a different story, they are the revenge. She wanted them to know how their acts affected her, and that yes, they ultimately led to her death, but the idea of revenge wasn't what drove her to kill herself. You need to be able to separate these two things. The show technically does have an age restriction, in the form of a rating, in Australia, this is MA 15+, therefore, technically nobody under the age of 15 should be watching it. Have fun policing that though on an online platform though, particularly if the parents are too stupid to put parental controls on their kids profiles. Let me just be clear on this rating thing though, and what it means. If say, a particular computer game is rated MA 15+ here in Australia, not only is it illegal for anyone under that age to purchase the game in a store, it is also illegal for their parents to purchase it for them (though this is all moot point now due to online clients like steam enabling easy faking of age). The same concept cannot apply to tv shows because of the way in which they are watched (in the privacy of a home), however any movie with this rating that shows in a cinema, the cinema will not let anyone underage in to see it, because that would be illegal. What I'm saying is that the ability of people to watch this show while too young has nothing to do with the age restriction, or Netflix itself, it's down to parents who don't care, can't be bothered, or don't know how to set up parental restrictions on their Netflix profiles.
anything to help young people talk about their fears is a good thing. a middle school student took his life last week in my small town,dew to social media/school ridicule. to all you parents, and big sisters and brothers out there. get involved in your youngsters social activities. you'll find out a lot more than they'll ever talk to you about.
As someone who has suffered multiple suicide attempts I really don’t think the show or book glamorized this. I think people need to Know them self’s and know what they can and can’t handle. It’s a great series and it’s intense it’s raising awareness
It does glorify suicide and the show is done in a distasteful manner; the biggest issue you’re all missing is that this is REVENGE suicide. The tapes Hannah left all are in an act of revenge, to everyone saying “topics like this need to be discussed”. They do, in an accurate perception because I for one don’t know anyone who’s attempted, including myself, who would leave their decision to attempt in the hands of others to deal with
margot it’s fictional get over it and if someone thinks it could cause them to commit suicide they are weak minded and need to grow up i know its harsh but it is true
margot most suicide for teens is revenge/escape. They are getting bullied and mom/dad not around to talk too. Schools don't care. My sister was a cutter in her high school because she was bullied, and the school kept punishing her for it not the bully. Her counselor would try to help, but the school refused to listen. It got to the point my mom pulled her out of school, and my sister took a ged course. If you never had anyone like this, or was like this yourself. Please stfu. It was meant to be a conversation starter and show how awful and painful it can be. this is better then the movie virgin suicides which imo did glorify it.
Azura Moonstar did you not read what i said? i’ve attempted to kill myself three times, my girlfriend is in hospital right now because she tried to take her life for the fifth time - so don’t tell me to stfu like i don’t understand. don’t belittle other peoples experiences. what you said is a lie. most suicides aren’t revenge. what we want is a way out of the pain, we’re crying for help in the only way we know how. we aren’t out to ruin other peoples lives. so don’t be so fucking rude
This show doesn’t glorify suicide at all. After watching the show, I realized how much my words and actions can affect someone, even the little things. It taught me to sit down next to the kid who’s alone, to stand up for others, and ask someone how they are doing when no one else would. It was an impactful show that is truly inspiring to me, and to many others as well.
I don’t think the show glorified suicide but I feel like they could have done a better job showing the audience that suicide was not Hanna’s only option. When I was watching the first season it felt to me like they were presenting suicide as her only option by making all the adults incompetent, how her counselor was stupid and refused to believe she was raped, how her parents/friends didn’t notice the signs.
That's a good move by putting the message in advance but when they going to release the trailer of the Season 2 so parents can see if they can let their kids to watch it or not ???
I was having suicidal thoughts when I watched the first season and it did not glorify it in any way. Seeing the tragedy that followed after was what made me get help. I didn’t want to see my friends and family go through that. I hate when people say things like this. I can honestly say that this show (and a combination of other things) helped save my life. It made the reality of what I wanted to do set in. It was realistic and it got conversation started. Suicide was talked about in my home, my school, my friend groups. It helped people understand its a real issue. NETFLIX PLEASE DON’T LET THE SECOND SEASON RUIN THAT.
As someone who's been through this type of thing before, I personally didn't see it as glorifying, it was honestly just awareness which is nothing but good for people who are struggling
Mirza Exactly. If only these parents put in as much effort into stopping real life bullying at their children’s schools as they are complaining about a tv show demonstrating examples of what happens
MalySports I agree so much, it's the parents not wanting to accept responsibility for things like this
This is completely off topic, but do you have a table as your profile pic because of Alex Ernst?
Angel Justice yes
I don’t understand how it’s glorified, the things she went to and the way she felt is something no one wants to feel, it’s a lonely and sad time, if anyone saw the scene of the actual suicide then they’ll see it’s not glorified, it’s the raw truth and people don’t want to see it
As someone who had almost attempted suicide, 13 reasons why was very real to me. It made me thankful that I didn't end up making the same decision. If anything it's a deterrent, not a "reason why". It shows how much life Hannah still had left in her that she took away. How many people really actually did care about her or ended up realizing their mistakes in the end. It shows how hard it is to juggle so much at once and how alone and isolating it all is. I've been there. I was Hannah. My story could have ended the same way but it didn't. This show placed so much focus on taking responsibility, being more empathetic, and really emphasizing on connecting to other people rather than push them away because of your own issues. It started a REAL dialogue about suicide and honestly I could have used a show like this when I was in high school.
Rachel P Agreeing on what you said and after watching season 2 it gave a whole different perspective and how they actually want to raise awareness for suicide prevention.
Romeo and Juliet glorifies suicide and it’s a mandatory school read throughout the US in high school. 13 reasons why does NOT glorify suicide. They just didn’t sugarcoat it. I think they did a FANTASTIC job w the issue of depression and suicide and showing the reality of it.
Keyara Nicole well at least they didnt kill themselves over ex friends or people taking nice notes outta their comments bag
Keyara Nicole well at least they didnt kill themselves over ex friends or people taking nice notes outta their comments bag
tandi guo but that’s high school tho, everything is so much more dramatic.
tandi guo you're aware that alotta teenagers have committed suicide over those exact reasons right ?
Loneliness and depression can make anything small seem so big
In the show it was a lot more that led Hannah to suicide than “a note being taking out of comment bag”. Hannah was raped, betrayed by friends, suffering depression was alone and bullied. Teenagers commit suicide often because of things like that. @tandi guo
In season one, they did have warnings up but I guess people didn't want to read it...
Kk Jasy may 18th
mari I'm counting down the days. I can't wait. This season might be more emotional than the first.
Kk Jasy im just ready to sit in bed for a whole day and cry
I was saying
Kk Jasy for real. I was just about to say that.
Season one had written warnings before the episodes about how explicit the content would be
Good Times true, they put trigger warnings on the more graphic episodes
Yep.... and yet we need more apparently. I do not get people
Good Times ikr
Season 1 only had 1 major warning which was the episode she killed herself
There were warnings whenever there was graphic content.
First off coming from someone who was sucidal and at a really low point for all my school years...this was not glorifying suicide...I didn’t take it as that. Do people realize this show is probably the closest thing I’ve ever seen that was honest and realistic...people are brutal and so are words and this shit goes on all the time and teachers and people just sit back and watch...they don’t give a shit until someone dies. And that’s the honest truth. It’s sucks that she died but suicides happen all the time. I felt like the show was eye opening...that maybe the people who are the ones hurting people need to realize we all have our issues and that we need to be careful on what we say and how we treat people...this is reality and people like to live with their eyes blindfolded. There are many times I was hurting and people didn’t care they would still say the most horrible things to me...95% of teachers don’t really care but there are 5% that do. I think it’s a great show to bring awareness to students teachers everyone. People need to stop and realize we all go through shit and we need to be more loving and compassion for each other...why not go up to the person sitting alone at lunch and sit with them...why not call a girl beautiful who has eating issues or self image issues...instead we bash make fun of or walk on by...I stand by 13 reasons why and if people are saying it’s causing suicides maybe those people should see how they have treated the person that took their own life and take responsibility and not blame it on a Netflix series !!!
Lorraine Rachel yes preach, I totally understand and relate to what you have said. Thank you 🙏🏼❤️
This is probably what also caused the Parkland shooting, I’m in no way sympathizing w/ the shooter but I do believe that we aren’t completely evil by nature and some kind of bullying happened to the kid to provoke what he did! People have to be nice to each other.
Lorraine Rachel as someone who has tried to commit suicide three times, I saw this as nothing but an attention grab at glorifying a REAL mental illness. Seeing kids in my school claim how much they love this show but go right back to being bullies to people who are slightly different makes it absolutely foolish. I wish this show never aired.
Lorraine Rachel right i dont understand how it “glorified suicide”
I think the problem is that the show makes suicide seem like a great/effective way to get back at everyone who has hurt you in life. It gives kids the message "if you commit suicide, then everyone will know how they hurt you and they will feel sorry about it"
It’s about time these issues are discussed openly.
Katie Pecotich these have been discussed in other forms of art like Neon Genesis Evangelion, Neil Gaiman Sandman, moral oral, etc. Expect 13 reasons is more popular than them.
1000000% agreed, really though, this should have been done years ago
Katie Pecotich showing a gory suicide without warning is not okay
Cole seriously? There’s nothing wrong about watching anime, they’re just cartoons but made in Japan. Grow up
Ryan in fact, showing a suicide at all is not okay. All of the top suicide prevention organisations recommend not to show how the character kills themselves.
I was suicidal and watched 13 Reasons Why. I had my death planned out and everything. Watching it saved my life, and I owe them everything for that. It showed me that if I left, everyone who loved me wouldn't be happy. I would have left a scar on their life forever. I sincerely thank the author, Jay Asher, I didn't think much of it when I read it, but seeing real actors act out the book that kept me barely moving everyday, that has changed my life.
Keep being strong.Thank you for sharing your story.You are valuable and keep close to your support system.
Turtle LPS im glad you've decided to share you're story man, that takes courage, I'm glad you were able to resonate with this show people claim to not help
Turtle LPS I'm happy and glad that you're still alive and got rid of those thoughts forever.
That’s great and amazing and it’s amazing that a show can help people. I’m sure it’s different for other people but wow
please don't suicide, I know it might seem hard rn but I promise you that you'll go though it and that theses moments of your life will make you nothing but stronger. ❤️❤️
I don't think it glorified- it's obviously not their intent. I think they are just using a different kind of narrative method to get important points across.
madison j Ugh... Using the term “snowflake” is dumb, obnoxious, and a part of the problem. Let’s not.
voidxgrimes that explains why Hannah died in Clay's arms in his imagination. Wow. Or the fact they have not reciprocated proper help for Hannah through friends, her guidance councillor, parents or even group therapy. Gasp
The primary issue was that it graphically depicted Hannahs suicide, which can be incredibly triggering for people with suicidal thoughts and tendencies.
and then it is based off of a book as well so
Yeah, there was zero glorification. I wanted to throw up... People are just over dramatic, they don't want these kind of issues in the light so they used that excuse.
The fact that a show is suppose to be responsible for this just shows the flaw of our generation. You can’t expect television to parent your kid you’re suppose to teach them these things not blame a tv show . If your kid starts eating people are you going to blame the silence of the lambs ?
Sara Hevesi preach honey 👏👏
Tbh right
Sara Hevesi and it's sad, because this show EPICALLY FAILS at doing what it's supposed to do!
Gsibingo the thing is they already put warning signs in the beginning of each episode
Gsibingo yes I would watch a show that encouraged to not get chemo or go to the doctor . I don’t take my life advice from a television show or tv period
They say to reach out to parents, friends and school counsellor, but Hannah did all three and got ignored.... and killed herself.
Yolo Yolo Yeah, they really should have changed that if they wanted to send a good message
It was to show parents, friends, and school counselors that they should take others serious and to becareful with their actions. They had to show mistakes in those characters to watch their consequences and show how something similar can have an effect on the audience also in real matters
Well if you already watched the first season and didn't like it then don't watch the next season. Simple as that.
Haley Clay please don't use common sense
Yeah, because that would just too simple, we all need to act like idiots and not understand a simple thing even though there is obvious context.
Apparently people can't handle real life issues
Caitlyn Murphy you didn't know? You thought everyone was like you Miss Insensitive?
Don't you get it? the people who can't handle this stuff are the ones who are actually suicidal and have depression. And you can't just say don't watch it then because everyone has watched this show or told by a friend to watch it. You just can't relate because you don't feel the same way.
Rainbow00 _ well everyone has different opinions about the show so ok I won’t try to change yours. But I never said it wasn’t for everyone just that it didn’t really seem realistic and if you’re over 10 and you still don’t know that your actions affect people then you’ve got a problem. (Not you personally but people who don’t know)
yep. people can't handle the real life issues such as bullying and rape. they want the media to tell them everything is going great. they need the media to tell them that a bullied person who got ostracized and raped won't feel suicidal so they don't have to be responsibled as a society. everyone should be strong on their own, doesn't matter what happen to them. why can't people just let us live in this delusional safe wrapped bubble where everything is fine, no one is suffering etc.
Rainbow00 _ ok all I’m saying that I don’t think it was a good representation and hardly talked about mental health but you don’t have to agree with me
They were really brave to actually make this series
Abigail Isaacs they’re talented actors, yes. But they’re not “brave” for making it. They wanted to be famous and to get money. I’m sure spreading a positive message was a motivation, but not nearly as much as the salary. Just saying.
A E S T H E T I C C A N C E R wow you obviously seem to know a lot, were you an actor that took part of this series? If not then your accusations are invalid, just saying.
Anonymous It’s my opinion, no need to take it so personally.
That is the wrong adjective
Abigail Isaacs i like your name it’s jewish i think
As a parent of two teens, I love this series! My kids And I both watched the first season and it opened up very good and in-depth discussions between us.
My mom and I watched this show together and it definitely opened conversation for the both of us
Laura Stone I'm 20 years old I have seen better shows deal with the topic better than 13 reasons why like Neon Genesis Evangelion.
Bruce Banana it’s great for you to have your own opinion
Me and my mom as well. We talked about it and she said if I ever feel that way, they are here for me.
logan forrest you're so lucky
Honestly, this show healed me. I related with A LOT of the events that happened and i was never able to cope with the things that happened to me. This show made me able to cope with it all FINALLY. I thank god for this show. It saved me.
This show gives kids a chance to talk about many different things that aren't ever spoken about in the real world that our children are faced with on a daily basis. We as parents have to be diligent about knowing what our children can comprehend and how much they can learn about before they are going to be overwhelmed by the information they are offering. So often parents are uncomfortable with talking to their children about these types of things that still occur in our kids life. Because of this, the kids will feel like their parents are not going to be there for them, or they'll never be able to understand what is going on with their life, or that they are on their own. Even worse is when they actually do have a mental health issue that they don't fully understand and the parents are not educated about what they need to look for in their own children or what the warning symptoms are to identify if these children are having problems in their own personal life that can and usually does result in serious health problems or even worse, death. They are incredibly brave to try and educate their audience on this matter especially when everyone believes that their children are actually educated on this subject when in actuality too many children do not have any access to real, truthful, adequate information even though this is not a true story. It's still appealing to many people who prefer to not have a factual lecture on suicide and would rather have something that could possibly relate to their own lives as well as keeping their attention during the show.
Charlotte Lynch Thank you so much! I'm so used to immediately being called "crazy" or that what I think is a so called "imaginary perfect world that is never going to exist" so why do I bother saying "what I think people would benefit from hearing about". My answer is because I have lived in a world that had most of the things that I am talking about now and I fully believe that we are more than capable of making this happen nowadays if we just simply work with each other instead of trying to insult, hurt, or label everyone that is slightly different than what we want them to be!
Jessica Milam holy fuck that is long
Jessica Milam oh my fucking god can you just SHUT THE FUCK UP
Jessica Milam well done! You’re totally right! People need to step up and not be afraid to talk about mental health issues!
StillSlump #HATER ! This message is a really important one.
About 90% of people who commit suicide have a mental illness. Mental illness was not mentioned once in the show. I believe they were glorifying suicide in a way that is usually not the case for most people. Most of us have all gone through bullying, abuses, and our demons, and more than half of those people did not believe suicide to be the way out, unless it affected them mentally. The show does NOTHING to inform the viewer of mental illness, only about bullying. So when an immature kid watches, and they’re getting bullied in school, they could possibly believe that suicide is the answer for them too because they are too young to understand the underlying reasons that were never fucking mentioned. Also, after Hannah dies, her “bullies” start to change and feel bad. What is that telling children? That if you leave, the people who hurt you will feel bad? No. Life will go on. I have lost someone close to suicide, who suffered from mental illness so it really hits home for me. The show should have shifted its focus. I will not be watching nor recommending this bullshit to anyone. And no, it’s not me being “sensitive.” I could understand that it could start discussions amongst parents and children, but it wasn’t done in the right way, idc what anyone says. With a better focus on mental illness perhaps interviewing those will mental illness and seeing how it really feels, it would of been a perfect show.
After season 1, they needed to put the warning out there after the heat they got for it.
they did before the episode starts maybe pay more attention next time.
There was already a warning but no one read it lol and it was their own fault.
Melanie Herald. fr!!
there was already a warning in the beginning of each episode I’m wheezing
They put trigger warnings before each episode began. If you watched the whole season and you felt someway about it then that’s your fault not Netflix
I personally hate all of the comments saying how this was the "most realistic depiction of depression," because, trust me, it's far from it. The main reason is, it isn't a story about a depressed girl: it's a story about revenge. They don't delve into Hannah's depression, they don't delve into her suicidal thoughts, they just play some cliche "bullying" scenes and then show her slitting her wrists. Most people with depression dont go through the stereotypical tramatic events, its just chemicals in their brain making them hate themselves. The show showed the "hey i think im depressed" depression. That's not depression. Depression is not wanting to get out of bed in the morning because of how long the day is going to be. Depression is making yourself get out of bed because you made obligations with people. Depression is cancelling those plans last minute because you can't work up the courage to talk to people you used to like or do activities you used to love. Depression is feeling the need to hurt yourself because you are just so pissed off at how useless you feel and know that you need to be punished. Depression is hating yourself afterwards because you know that self harm is wrong. Depression is blaming yourself for not being strong enough. Depression is wanting to apologize to everyone for ruining everything, even though you haven't. That's depression, but that's not what the show depicted. I guess real depression doesn't get good ratings. But stupid revenge plots where the protagonist is unlikable and selfish apparently is REALLY good for ratings, so whatever floats your boat.
Alicia Ballesteros-Mitchell preach
I know I’m late but Hannah blamed herself for rejecting clay. She said she wasn’t good enough for him and that she felt worthless, how he deserved more than her etc. I’ve been through some of the stuff in Hannah’s life and when she got raped she blamed herself for going to the party.
However, I understand where you’re coming from and how the writers didn’t show a lot of Hannah’s true emotions but in season 2 it gave a whole other image and perspective on each person on the tapes.
I've never watched this show because I had suspected that this was the case. Everything that you said is spot-on!
I honestly don’t see how it glorifies suicide.... but that’s just my personal opinion 🤷🏼♀️
If someone is mentally unstable or even just in a bad place, this show might look like a good way to get revenge because the characters all feel bad for hannah at the end and to a suicidal person that looks appealing because right now noone might notice them but suicide would give them attention. It's hard for you and me to understand cuz we aren't like that, but that's how they think.
Summer Wright it’s the internet, people get offended over everything
Skylar Sawtelle but if people watch this series and somehow get the message that Hannah did the right thing then that says more about them then it does the show, and also isn’t the show’s fault since that was never the message they intended. They can’t help what other viewers get out of it
Austin Cantley exactly that's why they need a disclaimer and people should be aware of their own mental health
I don't speak for all suicidal people but I've been suicidal before and I personally have known other suicidal people and none of us ever thought to commit suicide for attention. When you think of commiting suicide, you consider it because you believe the people in your life are better off without you. That, or you really have nothing left to live for. Doing it because you think you'll get attention after is the least likely reason. As far as I know, no suicidal person hopes to be on the news or the talk among town as "the girl/boy who killed herself". You really think you're contributing to society by eliminating something hopeless and bothersome--yourself.
I used to cut myself when I was suicidal but I never did it for attention. I did it to "feel" something. Because when you have severe depression you are just so empty inside and the pain of cutting makes you feel alive again if only for a brief moment. Many suicidal people hide their scars with sleeves. If they wanted to do it for attention, they wouldn't try to hide it or lie about it when someone asks what they are. In fact, even suicidal people feel embarrassed by their scars like its a reminder of "oh look how weak I am to resort to this" But again, I'm just speaking from personal experience and from other suicidal people I know. Everyone has their own reasons.
If you know anyone who is suicidal, please talk to them. They may try to deny it or joke it off but pay close attention to the signs and talk to them.
Lots of people saying they've experienced suicidality and don't see it as glorifying. Just to put it out there: as someone who has just been discharged out of psych ward for these issues, I 100% think it romanticises suicide and makes it appear immortalising and beautifully tragic and mysterious. It adds to an already dangerous online culture of romanticisation of mental illnesses and turns suicidality into a fashionable current quirk. Deaths have taken place mimicking content in this show. Multiple deaths. Even 1 death is too high a price to pay. Producers ignored advice specifically from suicide prevention organisations against showing an explicit suicide scene but they went ahead and did so anyway BECAUSE SHOCK SELLS. I find that dangerous and exploitative. Dear Selena Gomez, stop selling and profiting off my illness. These warnings are definitely a step in the right direction, but cannot possibly undo the damage already done.
Eleanor Avon Yes, thank you! This show isn't trying to help, if they wanted to do that they would have listened to the professionals. They're just trying to make money
Hardly Selena's fault/any executive producer's fault as they didn't have much creative control over this show. The writer for the suicide scene has written an article defending his reasons for leaving it here and it was because he attempted suicide (ODed) and it was really gruesome and painful and he felt that people needed to see the scene in full to understand that suicide looks like that, not a pretty girl lying peacefully in her bathroom. I don't agree with him but I can definitely see his perspective. It did help many people as well as triggered others. I don't think it's charitable to say that he, a survivor, is trying to exploit the cause.
You've got to be kidding, it doesn't glorify anything. People are taking it too far. No one said anything about the book.
cutekathren exactly if anything they should be criticizing the book because without it, they would be no show
It’s because it’s 2018 and everyone thinks everything is offensive. It’s annoying
Its one thing to imagine a scene in a book and it's another to actually view it
Yeah I don’t think it glorifies it however people are killing themselves and similar to Hannah baker are leaving tapes
Jenn Hello there are warnings before episodes. Also, it’s good to show these things, it opens up conversation, which is a good thing!
Relived my high school experience watching this show. And during those times at 16 in 9th grade I was serverly bullies and also I lost my mom. They had no idea outside school I was a nurse a cook a doctor a comfort and was to tired at school to be like anyone else and fit in. I never turned to suicide. Watching this proved strength in myself. Like damn I survived all that.. I'm now 27 and never felt so helpless since those years. This show opens eyes but also a fair trigger to less adapt emotional humans
I don’t agree with them having to put the warning on there than scary movies or drug movies, etc, having to put a warning on there. They are not glorifying suicide. They are simply making people more aware of the consequences of their actions when they encounter people bc you never know what they are going or through or the effect of ones actions.
Ri-Chard Thomas they had to people wouldn't stop bitching
The thing is that people are gonna bitch no matter what measures they take bc it can be sensitive content at times and you have those kids who ignore the warnings then complain they were triggered, and somehow thats still the shows fault(??)
I don't think it glorified it either but it might trigger people who aren't comfortable with the topics
They are right to put a warning cause it bad dumbass
It's only so they can't get sued when a dumb ass uses their ideas for suicide. It's like all these dumb fucks go kill someone and blame Friday the 13th or steal a car and blame GTA. Fucking idiots who can't take responsibility for their own actions and put the blame where it really belongs. Oh look my kid, friend, siblings etc watches this movie and killed themselves. I'm gonna go get a paycheck from the creators of 13 reasons why. IDIOTS!!!
I am an adult. I bought the book from a thrift store and wondered what all the hoop la was about, So I read it. I thought it was brilliant. I think it's a good idea to not make suicide tabu, like it was when I was a teenager. I couldn't talk to my parents about my suicidal feelings; they wouldn't have cared. I swallowed a full bottle of aspirin when I was 13 years old. I obviously didn't die, but became very sick. I told my Mom what I had done and that I was feeling sick. She told me "well, that's what you get". I finally started getting professional therapy when I got married, years later. I hope this book and show helps those who don't know how to ask for help, get lifesaving help.
Daphne Dedrick the book is good but the show isn't really helpful
How come this glorify suicide? I dont get it. This show literally focuses on helping kids to speak out. People
seffi rotti When does it really do that though? The only time Hannah speaks up, she's ignored. Not the best message to send to suicidal teens
Im a struggling and this was quite hard to watch, I spend a week feeling blue and mom told me that should have a warning, but then again there are people who are going to watch it anyway an may not even know they are struggling
They did put a warning tho . They wrote it before it started
I feel this. I honestly couldn’t finish the series because it was too hard for me
Same, I read two chapters of the book and stopped because I could feel the numbness and thoughts coming
If this show “glorifies suicide” then every cop show or making a murder “glorifies murder”
It’s crap. I love the show and it opens up important topics, if a unstable kid who is influenced easy and can’t be independent can be manipulated by the show then they shouldn’t be watching it
So the people who most need to talk about suicide shouldn't be watching a show that opens up discussions about suicide?
Honest Opinions is that why Hannah had to die into Clays arms? Or was that simply okay for a plot Turner.
stewjd76 true. But any show can affect any age. I just don’t understand why this might make someone want to try suicide. I saw Hannah’s hurt and her family but i don’t see it saying oh hey this is cool or anything
ernie samora exactly!
But I guess it could help them show that others go through this and suicide isn’t the only way. I just don’t see how it “glorifies” suicide
Taylor Taylor I didn’t read the book. But I think it was better with the parents finding her instead of clay. Because it shows a stronger bond than some friend. That scene was sad :(
I have struggled with depression in the past. Watching the show made me feel terrible and aware of my depression again, so I stopped watching it. I think a warning is good.
Nic I thought I'd be fine because I read the book, but the show was awful and I had to stop as well
Season 1 had a 'beyond the reasons' too
Aafsha yeah
I enjoyed watching the first season. I always wanted to find out more of Hannah’s story. I had strong feelings for the characters and what they were going through. But at the same time, I can’t see how this show is supposed to help young people who have these feelings or have dealt with these topics. Some characters would abuse alcohol to deal with their issues and not go to a counselor or tell anyone what was going on in their lives. Th only one who tried to talk and go to counseling, ended up taking her own life. So I’m not sure how this is trying to help others, but the only thing I learned from this season is that you need to make sure you let people know they matter before it’s too late.
This show starts conversations. I don’t know why people are so sensitive. Don’t watch it then!
Gareth D a-lot of kids parents don’t care about talking with there kids. Divorce.. a-lot of single parents... i c in our town... kids dressing like clowns
Where are the parents??? Just not there for there kids anymore. I was not that kind of parent... i cared and had family meetings. So important to know whats going on...I’ve even followed my daughter cuz i knew she was lying where she was going. You can tell if you know your kid.. just by looking at them!!!!
Honest show that starts conversation with parents. To bad not everybody wants talk to kids or think why need help.
Millennials are too sensitive!
It can be triggering for people who are suicidal
Reese Saddler then they should stay away from it
It should be a way of explaining it to the general audience, it’s not for people that are dealing with it , it’s just way to strong and graphic
I found the first season amazing and eye-opening!! It was very well done and honestly portrayed very real issues our young ppl are facing. I think it should be required viewing with a parent to op n that dialogue wide!! I watched it with my 13 yo and took the opportunity to tell him suicide is a permanent solution for a temporary problem!!! I love the ‘warning’ messenging additions and all of the other resources added!!! Looking forward to watching the next season with my son. 💚
Gina in Spades no shade. But it's not portraying "real issues young people are having". It's what adults think is happening but it's happening very differently. And that's one of the problems
I liked it too
Naima Elmo Many actual suicides have happened in real life in recent past due to these very reasons. All the best to you and I’m so glad that you and your circle of friends are not dealing with these issues!!!
Gsibingo I appreciate your opinion. I disagree that this fictional creation required experts and caveats and disclaimers but I applaud the additional steps being taken by the producer.
GreenKoolaidGuy Plays 🙂
This show tries really hard to do something it ultimately fails at. The world of the show is unrealistic and does not truly convey the way a depressed and suicidal person would truly deal with their issues.
Ify Nsoha Especially the revenge filled way she killed herself. Most suicidal people blame themselves, not others
Inside the show when the main character tells the school councilor she doesn't want to exist (I don't remember the exact lines but it was something very very suicidal sounding). Right then and there any school professional would be calling someone to get the student escorted to a hospital to be mentally evaluated. There's a lot of other fucked up harmful uneducated parts to this show but this part alone should be enough. It directly makes a watcher feel like they won't be taken seriously if they bring their suicidal thoughts to an adult. A watcher should have felt the opposite and it should have been made clear that you need to come to adults when your feeling suicidal.
Marlena Kathleen interesting, when I seen that part it made me think that professionals or even others who someone talks to should take what they say seriously and not just brush it under a rug. Maybe you're the only one who listens, maybe you'll be the only one who they tell so you need to listen and support them. Get them the help they need from the right professionals.
I didn't think of it as that if you're suicidal, people won't listen and won't help. I interpreted it more as there are faults in the system that need to be addressed.
Farren Downing agree with you. Think about all of those anti bullying assembly things. And a 0 tolerance for bullying rules and yet nothing (from my experience) ever gets done about it.
A councilor at my school actually called the parents of a student that hinted at suicide once ...
You see .. Nothing actually happened because the student wouldn't comply .. So it was out of their control
The thing is that there have been cases where a school has known about severe incidents like the ones in this show (particularly the bullying and sexual assault), but haven't wanted to do anything about it, because they have a reputation to uphold as being a place where something like that doesn't happen. Their logic is that if they ignore it then it doesn't exist. Believe it or not, it does happen. I was bullied through primary school, and the school did absolutely nothing about it, even going so far as to protect the bully, so yeah, I found the part with the counselor particularly relatable.
I think it highlights all the things that can go wrong, that’s why. When you’re suicidal, depressed etc. you always think about “worse case scenario”. What if I’m not taken seriously? What if I wasn’t here anymore, how many would actually care? Or I wish I could make a statement about my suicide because I want other people to know their place in it, to be held responsible for how they made me feel... I want them to feel guilty. The “I also hate myself, I’d be better off, everyone would be.” “She did it for attention”, she was weak and couldn’t handle it... etc. These are all thoughts (in one form or another) ppl who are suicidal or depressed feel. Thoughts that peoplel think about it.
it didnt glorify anything. at all. ya'll just dont wanna look at explicit content. and it put a disclaimer before the episode.
Too many sensitive people, it's just a fictional show and a good one. I guess some people can't differentiate fiction from reality
ozair khaliq well buddy, as a proud American I gotta say you're a little stupid for saying that, not all Muslims are terrorists not all mexicans or colombians are drug dealers and not all Americans are stupid. It's just the people that are easily influenced by other people aka the sheep, so if one of them says the sky is purple the rest just follow
Orlando Arody you too (can't differentiate between fictional and reality) if you think that everyone in the world is insensitive and unaffected. People are different. Deal with it. That's reality.
Orlando Arody and I'm Muslim
Orlando Arody I'm just saying some of them not all
I'm not sensitive, and I still think it sucked. It's completely unrealistic.
The characters in the show either have only redeeming qualities or none at all, we as an audience are forced to hate these people and not create our own judgement on the characters. They have absolutely no personality outside of them being an asshole. There's also many plot holes about the character's motivation for doing things, like the guy that was stalking Hannah and taking pictures. It's never really explained why he does these things.
Hannah's tapes were just there for the "retro is cool now" aesthetic. No one in real life would record hours of their own voice, have it sent to other peoples houses and kill themselves. A written note would be more common.
It didn't show the sorrow her death caused, it showed the people that were around her feel guilty for her death when they shouldn't be. They were not responsible for her death, Hannah was, she made that choice.
I honestly expected Hannah to be a more complex character and give us a rare insight to what someone suicidal is like, but like all the other characters, she's lazily written. The show just shows her overreacting to small things and under reacting to things that no one should experience.
Also the parents in the show weren't doing any parenting. Some were assholes and some were just neglectful. Some people would make the argument that Hannah pushed hers away, but the fact is that her parents saw something wrong and didn't think to ask their child "what's wrong?"
This show failed. I’ve seen kids claim that bullying is disgusting but in the same breath talk bad about someone else. Every time I see someone who I’ve seen say terrible things with their friends about some one else say “I love this show!” makes it so much harder to even take seriously. It brought the wrong attention and in my opinion made the whole situation worse.
Dylan Dominoski I agree. It seems like everyone is acting like they care but not really doing anything. It especially shows in this comments section.
Maeve M thank you, my point exactly. No one cares outside the tv screen.
Josh Kanner if you’re trying to insult me you better spell it right.
That doesn't showcase that the show failed... that just highlights that our kids have a problem... The fact that children refuse to act on this show's the message is not a sign of the shows failing.
When 13RW came out I was really depressed and I loved the show, but admittedly it did make it worse for me and my best friend and it did make it seem like death was an option.
I don’t think there are bad intentions behind the show, but there was certainly a significant level of ignorance with how the first season was handled. I mean the fact is the show triggered many people, mostly teens, to have suicidal thoughts or to consider following through with suicide more seriously. That’s not debatable, that’s what happened.
And I personally think that reaction would have been easily predicted by most professionals with experience in that area of mental health, so it was disappointing to see how shocked they were at the backlash.
Still though kudos to them for acknowledging the issue and taking some steps to address it.
parents couldn’t take the fact that they know nothing of what their teenagers are going through, so obviously being in denial they’re ought to disagree in some way or another, especially when their parenting skills are being questioned. The warning isn’t going to stop anybody from watching it, but it will prevent these accusations.
It doesn’t glorify it. Just simply don’t watch it if you’re not mature enough.
Andrea oliveros This isn't about maturity. This is a threat to whoever is depressed or going through some form of mental illness which could encourage them to "end their lives and take revenge or get sympathy from everyone because they are gone now." Please think before you comment. This show isn't harmful to people who don't suffer from mental illnesses but it could encourage a depressed person to take their own life.
Kelly Malone well kelly I don’t think you do because if you truly were you wouldn’t be calling me immature you would be rethinking your answer & re evaluating on what I just said. I’m extremely educated that is why I stated what I did. I don’t think you read it clear. I said what I said now if you don’t agree you don’t. It’s NOT mature of you to try to change someone’s opinion there’s millions who will agree with me & you as well. So move along now I think it’s best you study a bit more my love.
Not mature enough? Does the show come with an IQ/ maturity test rating? Nope? Oh yeah it's rated PG 16. You're not mature enough (or educated enough) to know that people have different reactions to this?
I get that they are trying to show that people should be more compassionate but the show overall comes off (to a depressed person only) as "You have no hope. No one cares about you when you're alive. Take your life, then people will think about you." It would have been better if the high school characters in the show were taught a lesson after hannah eventually and gradually comes out with the truth (to her therapist perhaps?) and hannah eventually becomes alright. It sounds like a "happily ever after story" but it would give some sort of hope to people going through this to stay strong and could also teach the viewers watching this hannah's struggle and pain. Well I get that it won't happen because it was based off a book but I don't know this is just my opinion. But please try to express your opinion without sounding angry. That is what I call immature. ( sorry xD)
Thanks, Kelly! :')
This TV series was the closest thing to realistic, a lot of adults do not understand what goes on at school, the teachers at school BARELY do anything to stop bullying. This is coming from a person who was bullied and was suicidal. Yes, teachers tell us that bullying is bad, if you're being bullied talk to a trusted adult, sometimes they'll think we're being silly, or they handled the problem wrong. Thats why most of us don't speak up. This show is eye opening, it showed many people what happens at school, what teachers do, students will lie, students handle the problems themselves. Teachers won't care until someone is dead or injured. All they do is talk to us to try and talk it out and they try to find a solution, they tell us don't ever let this happen again then case closed.
This show has no intention to make us harm ourselves, This show is trying to give a message to teens and adults, it's trying to make us realize that what goes on in school isn't child's play. Think about school, teens, and bullying, teens can basically do anything to try and harm another teen. Hell a Teenager was a shooter at a school. Again this show is trying to open up our eyes, and make us realize that bullying is not a damn game, when you're making fun of someone you might think it's funny, but when you're the victim and you hear every insult they tell you, it starts to get to you to the point where you feel that you're worth nothing, to the point where you don't want to hear it anymore, to the point where you want to harm yourself. So please this show is just showing what happens at school, this show might even be someone's life right now and you don't even know it.
Thank you as a victim of bullying I agree completely!People do not understand the brutality in words.The nonstop harassment. Even when you try to do the polite and right thing like walk away.Bullies won't let you they want and enjoy your suffering.Please continue to stay strong💪!I also want people to know work place bullying is just as real and vile as school bullying.It happens everyday at every kind of job.We as a society need to be better.Stop gossiping and fighting with eachother.You don't have to like everybody but keep your rude and cruel words to yourself.No body deserve that.
I love seeing everyone's different opinions on the show. I watched it after learning about it and it opened the door for my 13 year old and I to sit down and have a very serious conversation about suicide and self harm. It really blew my mind how mentally mature my daughter was at approaching this subject. Parent...don't be afraid to talk to your children...and children, don't be afraid to talk to your parents. It's a very serious issue that needs to be recognized openly so those suffering do NOT feel alone.
When is it coming back out? I need the date 😭😭
Desiray Williams OMG THANK YOU❤️❤️❤️❤️
Desiray Williams really?
matthew natividad yerp
Well rats, looks like the production has been delayed. :(
May 18th
This disclaimer fails to tackle one major issue: The show portrays suicide as a potentially vengeful act. Suicidal people would *never* seek to get revenge on others by way of a suicide. The notion that a suicidal person would even be thinking of this in their final moments is fucked up. I believe that the viewers who aren't struggling with mental health issues themselves will watch this show and be taught that suicidal people are whiny and attenion-seeking (which is inaccurate).
Fabienne Yeah, I've seen a lot of people saying that about Hannah and, as a person who has struggled with these things myself, it can really hurt.
When does season 2 come out?
Shamika Moses may
Grof Smrti thank you 🙂
Shamika Moses I'm not really sure,but i have a friend that had 'cameo' in season 2 said it's coming in may.
Shamika Moses march 31!
Ok now i'm confused! I think I'll just have to wait then...
I’m glad because it did glamorize suicide. In the show Hannah essentially gets revenge and everyone who ever treated her wrong is ridden with guilt. This shows people who are suicidal or being bullied that ending your life can finally give you revenge on anyone who has ever mistreated you by making them feel ashamed. And that’s not the right answer so I’m glad they are addressing that.
DylanDK Bradley I don’t agree. Yes her family was sad and her classmates. However, why did she feel the need to make these tapes and single out different people who wronged her? That’s basically saying “This is what you did and you’re the reason I’m dead and I hope you have a guilty conscience for the rest of your life as payback.” I think she saw suicide as payback and that’s what motivated her to do it which is not why anyone should take their own life.
Ah, but there is a difference between that, and the whole suicide being what some people are deeming a revenge suicide. Her purpose in committing the suicide itself was not revenge, it was her inability to deal with the events that had happened to her, and her feeling of isolation in trying to deal with these things, all on top of what was likely depression. The tapes however, are a completely different kettle of fish, there is a valid argument that they were solely for revenge, and that would be an argument that I would be inclined to agree with. It still doesn't make the suicide itself centered on revenge.
SpottedLeafy Yeah I think everything she went through definitely were factors that drove her to suicide. However, if revenge were not a factor at all then she would not have made the tapes. Honestly the fact that she made them so that everyone would feel guilty made it hard for me to empathize with her character and like her.
I didn't like her as a character either, especially regarding those earlier tapes and episodes. I thought she was rather petty. I think there are different ways of looking at the suicide and the tapes, and their relationship. The way I saw the situation was that Hannah was going to have committed the suicide, tapes or not. Therefore, while I can see the tapes as being solely for revenge (though I think there might be something a little more complex here too), I can't see the suicide as being revenge based (even if by the time she thought of the tapes, she hadn't thought of killing herself). The way I saw it anyway, was that she had already decided to kill herself when she even came up with the idea of the tapes, hence making revenge more of an afterthought than a driving factor. But I can see how there may be a few ways to interpret it.
Though my question with this new warning is, why wasn't the fact that they actually put warnings at the start of the more disturbing episodes (all of the last few), along with its rating (here in Australia, it's MA15+) enough for people? At what point is it fair to stop blaming the show, and start questioning why parents are allowing their kids to watch it in the first place? There are plenty of shows out there that are completely unsuitable for the age group we are talking about here, but none of them are getting the same attention as this one. Is it because we are that uncomfortable discussing this topic? As for the glorifying of the suicide itself, I certainly didn't see it that way, nor did majority of my age group (early 20s). I think it was the actual suicide scene itself that really shattered this idea. I could barely watch the scene, and I'm not generally squeamish or anything, it actually made me really, really uncomfortable, and I think a majority of people would agree with me there. Sure there are going to be a few people who think that by mimicking this, they might get their 15 minutes of fame, but it's certainly not the majority, definitely not to the extent people are implying, and it would be the same, no matter how this subject was broached.
Daily Crap actually some people commit suicide for things that arnt nearly as bad as what hannah went through, so she was probalbly so sick of the shit and so angry that she did that and kinda got revenge, i mean, someone fucking raped her i mean thats deep. Ba dun tssss, anyway i would want to get revenge if someone did that, and then no one continued to care n stuff.
Wow. This is unnecessary. People are so sensitive nowadays.
A Fernandez sorry that people with legitimate mental illnesses we did not ask for are an inconvenience to you
Kiersten Greenfield don’t think that person said that.
Kiersten Greenfield He didn't say that check your eyes.
Kiersten Greenfield Buy a brain.
'buy a brain' XD you must be one of those cyber-idiots they talk about on TV. Or maybe you're in middle school???? If that's the case, you aren't old enough to even be affiliated with 13 Reasons Why so you shouldn't even be apart of this discussion anyways
As someone who survived two suicide attempts, the series doesn’t “glorifies” suicide at all.
I’m glad people are finally openly talking about this.
"BEYOND THE REASONS" ALREADY EXISTED AND ALREADY PLAYED RIGHT AFTER THE FIRST SEASON!
I'm someone who does have major psych issues including overdosing and thoughts of suicide and unmedicated. But I watched the first season of this show. And it actually helped me. You dont think about what impact the loss of someone has on loved ones. But this shows the aftermath of how people react after your gone. I applaud Selena and the rest of the crew on this show. I will continue to watch.
I dont think it glorifies suicide, but hannah was extremely selfish and sensitive throughout the show
As someone who struggled with suicidal tendencies as a teen, sexual abuse, and bullying and who STILL struggles with severe depression with occasional suicide ideology I did not find this show to be glorifying of suicide.
If anything, I felt less alone because someone else had to experience what I did to have enough understanding to make her seem so REAL. I also felt it was a great wake up call for those NOT struggling. They need to know how deep despair can go, and what signs to watch for, and even the possible consequences of their own actions toward others.
I was thankful, and still AM thankful for this show and have every intention of reading the book.
I can’t believe people are acting like this is a negative thing 😂 this show is realistic, and shows the truth. It’s not some fake high school movie. It shows things that truly happen to people in high school. And that’s why people can’t handle it. They don’t wanna see the truth.
Actually, lot's of people found it unrealistic me included. The events that happened seemed unrealistic and random and Hannah just suddenly decides to kill herself without any indication except the tapes.
I remember my school sent out letters warning us to not watch it and stuff but honestly, 13RW was a huge wake-up call to me. It is a show that is not for everyone out there, but it shows the harsh reality of the MANY problems teens goes through. They didn't gloss over it, sugarcoat it and all that, they showed it as the nightmare it is for many. I don't regret watching this at all.
Before everyone comes and says that people are just sensitive, and the show opens up new conversations and such, know this:
While the show may be a catalyst for healthy conversations, for the most part, it goes about this the wrong way. The Nation Suicide Prevention has set down a list of ways to portray suicide in a way that does not glamorize it. The shows breaks many of these rules, such as not explicitly detailing the method of the act, and not showing the character after he/she has killed himself/herself.
iBrow inc. The show got a list from them before hand and did a majority of the things they were told not to
iBrow inc. It's ridiculous, there are a lot of movies that show murders and dead people, nobody gives a shit but when they show a real taboo problem in teenagers everybody screams out. The Nation Suicide Prevention can teach ways to raise people that can think by themselves and know it's just a show.
THANK YOU
Ok no wow ur smarter than actual professionals who studied this and know what the fuck they're talking about. you're so intelligent. such an intellectual.
I understand where you're coming from having read some of those guidelines myself, and based on that you do have a point, but the definition of glamorizing is to make something seem desirable.
If they'd gone with the method of suicide Hannah chooses in the book and shown that in graphic detail then I'd agree with you wholeheartedly because that would look too peaceful and perfect and for someone struggling that could seem desirable, but I feel that the choice to change the suicide method and to show it in such harrowing detail such as her physical pain, her mother's reaction and the muted colours makes it seem entirely undesirable, ergo that would not be glamorizing.
I don't wish to dismiss your feelings or opinion on this, I just wanted to voice my own.
I'm glad they did this series. One of my children has suicidal thoughts and has mental illness. I think they are bringing awareness to the real issues out there.
When the 2nd season will be released?
Yøû Țâ Netflix didn’t say anything yet.
Alex B okay thanks 😊
Yøû Țâ March 31st!
ジェイダ泣き虫 really 😮
Thanks, i can't wait
March 31st!!???
If anything, this show saved my life. I wasn't suicidal, but I think if a few more horrible things happened, I could have slipped into those cracks. This show helped me open up and say to friends, family, trusted adults "I need help, I don't know what to do." This show did not glorify suicide and it's the people who are afraid to talk about suicide (and other matters addressed in this show) who are the ones that think this show does such. I am so grateful for the realness this show brings to television and that it addresses one important thing: the world is not pretty, there are ugly things that happen, but that doesn't mean we can't start a conversation about it without losing ourselves to the darkness.
Why are they blaming a show for ppls actions 🤔 that’s like me watching scream and decides to go around in a ghost mask and kill ppl
juwan wesley someone has to take the blame and it won't be Romeo & Juliet. Ppl now a days are too damn sensitive. Ppl can't take responsibility for their own actions
So right...
A C ikr
That's actually exactly what somebody did from California
After watching screem
I think that they're absolutely right to say that if you are struggling with mental health issues that the show is probably not right for you. It's easy for someone who has never dealt with depression or being actively suicidal to say that the people affected by this show "aren't mature enough" or are "too sensitive," but showing a girl dying after cutting her wrists is extremely psychologically damaging for people with actual issues.
a lot of you in the comment section coming from a place of ignorance and are assuming that every person who watched the show has the exact same mental health that you have. saying that people with suicidal depression are "too sensitive" is perpetuating the same message that this show was trying to subvert.
I think it’s glorifying suicide because it shows that Hannah didn’t have any other choices. She could have talked to her parents, clay , and even a counselor. I understand the things that happened to her are horrible and I wish that upon no one but she had many choices and the show was trying to portray it as though she didn’t and was completely alone and no one cared for her but that’s far from it. That’s my opinion.
Haven L it’s not glorifying suicide . It’s not sugarcoating it , they are showing the harsh raw reality of suicide , which is sad but true . She did try to seek help to the counselor , and really ? Yes she could’ve talked to her parents and stuff but it’s not as easy as it sounds , a lot of suicidal people are scared to open up and tell their friends and family they are suicidal
I was struglering so do/did alot of my friends who watched this! When this came out I was so happy for it showed people that this happends, we are not a little corn of dust you can sweep away.
Tired of buring friends and family from suicide. This is a talk everyone need to do.
It doesn’t glorify suicide ! These adults just don’t understand ! It actually helps
I'm genuinely excited for season 2 to come out!!!!! This was a great series, showed real life situations and issues.
I love the show even though I have issues oof
Blue Horse talk to someone!! You’ll be okay!! ;)
Blue Horse stfu
Same bruh
abed manssra hey I'm just being honest
grace. ;) Yeah!
This World is Cruel 😔We don’t need this in our schools
If they actually paid attention to what they were told not to do in this show by multiple mental health professionals, this show likely wouldn't have gotten nearly as much backlash. They were advised not to actually depict the suicide, which they not only did, but they also proceeded to make it particularly graphic. I can't remember everything that they were told not to do, but they basically did all of them and that show caused so many people to relapse, even those who read the book with no problem and knew (or thought they knew) what they were in for. Aside from all that, from what I've seen, the writing just seems really weak. The characters are bland and underdeveloped and I don't really get why the show is so popular.
I really hope Season 2 either doesn't do well or is just the last season anyway.
Yes, these things need to be brought to light and discussed, but do it in a way that doesn't prevent people with these problems from watching the show and participating in said discussion. What good is starting a dialogue without making space for the people living with these issues?
And when you're tackling suicide and rape and you're told by professionals, whose speciality is dealing with those exact things, how not to handle them in your show then maybe you should fucking DO WHAT THEY SAY.
KOSMOSandTELOS Yeah. I just feel like the book was so great and then the show just was a let down. And I didn't actually think they would have depicted the sucide the way they did especially since in the book I'm pretty sure she had overdosed. The suicide was a little much.
KOSMOSandTELOS I (as someone who’s been suicidal and suffers from depression) I can’t buy the whole “the show made me relapse”, I just think it’s an excuse for lack of self control or to act out how they’ve been feeling because they have the urge to. I get that things could be triggering but that’s where you have to not put yourself in those situations. If you are suicidal or have depression and it’s harder for you to deal with maybe, you shouldn’t watch a show about those issues, especially if it’s going o compel those thoughts. And this is coming from someone who’s last “incident” was about 4 months ago.
A show doesn’t make me do anything to myself, I do that or factors in my life do. And I’m not going to make excuses for it.what happens is I (have anxiety and ptsd as well as ADHD and Bipolar 1) have panic attacks (and they come in all forms) and often I’m not in my right mind and hurt myself or have destructive thought patterns. But there has to (usually) be a DIRECT cause, not and indirect cause like a show. It’s not that simple and I think everyone wants it to be, because it’s such a hard topic to talk about or bring attention to. It’s easier to say “it’s the shows fault” than take any real responsibility on any part of the spectrum.
Relapse was a poor choice of words, I'll admit that.
But I'm sure you know that depression doesn't affect everyone the exact same way. Just because you experience it a certain way, doesn't mean every person with depression does. Just because something happening in a TV show isn't enough for *you* to have a panic attack (and possible mental breakdown), doesn't mean it can't happen to someone else. Your experience is the only one you can actually speak on. There isn't only one way for depression to work.
Also, blame for a lot of the reactions people had to the show *is* the fault of the people behind it, and by extension the show itself. Because not only were they told exactly what not to do with the show by mental health professionals, but the book already told this story in a way that didn't cause such damage that the show did.
"Also, blame for a lot of the reactions people had to the show is the fault of the people behind it, and by extension the show itself. Because not only were they told exactly what not to do with the show by mental health professionals, but the book already told this story in a way that didn't cause such damage that the show did. "
How about triggered people just don't watch it, hmm? But I guess not, because then, they wouldn't have an excuse to brain their already suicidal tendencies on.
That would be a reasonable argument.
However, as I said in my first comment, there are numerous people with mental illnesses that had a variety of negative reactions to the show that *read the book prior to the show coming out* and were not affected by the book, because the book handles things in a sensitive and tactful way that the people who created the show were obviously incapable of.
The fact remains that the writers of the show handled these sensitive topics in a very careless manner. They were told what kinds of effects the show would have and they did it anyways. There was a better way for them to go about things that was already written out for them in the goddamn source material but they chose to be edgy and ramp things up to an unnecessary level.
Should people with suicidal thoughts/tendencies or any other mental conditions related to the content in the show watch it? No, probably not. Did they have any real way of knowing exactly what they were in for when the show first came out and people weren't really discussing it yet? Not really. There were warnings, sure, but apparently there were a number of things that the show didn't warn people of, which is extremely careless when dealing with a show about this kind of subject matter.
Also, side note, some people don't even know they have any significant triggers. I didn't think I had any until about a month ago. Kinda hard to prepare yourself for something or avoid something when you don't know it's even an issue for you. Wouldn't be surprised if that was the case for some people with regards to this show.
What I love about the show is how open and blunt it is. Suicide is scary. The ending of the series chilled me and had me in tears. I don't think the series aimed to glorify it, but wanted to spread its awareness.
If a show named 13 reasons why glorifies suicide, then wtf about a show names " how to get away with murder"
If I'm being completely honest this show has helped me so freaking much its amazing. It taught me to reach out to those when I'm in need and that you never know whats going on in someone's life so just be kind. When I was on the brink of suicide; as pathetic as it sounds this show reminded me that I'm not alone. This is a bit off topic but I've watched them film in my hometown and the ammount of work they put in to make sure this really helps others in need is phenomenal. I was talking to some of the people on set and they said they film for hours. It was around 9:00pm that I got there and it was freezing cold. One of the guards said they'd most likely be filming until 7 in the morning. This cast really puts the work into this show because they believe that this will help someone. Well look at me, obviously this show has.
. Does no one realize that suicide is the leading cause of death in young people. Yet we never talk about it or tell our children or friends or family. This show was so eye opening. There has hardly been any talk about suicide in the media but this got us talking. It’s such a creative way to show things that are actually happening right now. And to all the parents that think this just tells us that the only way to fix things is by killing yourself I honestly think you’re wrong.
katie edmond We talk about suicide all the time in schools. Even if we don't talk about it enough (maybe it's different where you live), this show had so many opportunities to do better that it didn't take. For example, literally just following the rules for showing suicide
Maeve M I one hundred percent see where your coming from but sometimes learning about it in schools don’t really capture the attention of some students while giving us something that could turn “popular” was a lot better, but it had so much potential for it to be a lot better yes. People have every right not to watch it though.( but no I don’t learn about suicide at my school which I think is actually retarded)
I love this so much. Because I really did feel like it was giving the wrong idea of suicide, as a person who suffers from depression I avoided this show for that very reason. So this makes me happy.
the problem is that it DOES glorify suicide
How?
1.completely romanticizes the issue
2. It ignores all the rules for portraying suicide in the media set by The American Foundation of Suicide Prevention (including showing Hannah kill herself)
3. Makes suicide look like a way of getting back, Hannah got everything she wanted when she killed herself, in real life their is no last laugh for a victim. It's basically a revenge fantasy where the revenge is SUICIDE
4. Makes the option of getting help and speaking up look pointless
I wouldn't really care but this show is aimed at teens and young adults the most likely ages to commit suicide. Also this show completely misrepresents mental illness, depression, suicide and bullying.
I do believe that shows can be made for teens that depict suicide, but not this one
I'm not trying to argue but those are strong opinions that you have just like everyone else has a different opinion about it. We are not going to always agree on issues. It's just that in this case people are divide about this show.
agreed
ThatStarWarsChick exactly
Children also need to be taught to not only be open about issues in their lives that could lead to depression and suicidal thoughts but to cope with those thoughts and deal with them in ways other than suicide attempts. It is an important life lesson to learn how to be a fighter and battle through those tough moments in life and over come all obstacles
It's cause kids these days are so impressionable and think the smallest thing is the worst thing ever, If they feel that way, then they won't handle adulthood. It's stupid there needs to be a warning over such an ignorant suffering show.
Coming from someone who was suicidal and struggled with depression, I thought it was amazing and eye opening, I didn't think it glorified it
No part if this story ever felt like it was created by someone who had struggled with suicidal tendencies. Just profited off of them. Smacking a warning label on doesn't actually change the glorification, thanks for trying tho.
I watched the show myself and I felt the complete opposite. They put a lot of care and strategy into the show. It was accurate in depicting depression and suicdal tendencies. It even touched a realistic moment with sexual assault victims. This show is no glorification of anything. This show is more educational than most.
I think the only glorification came from stupid tumblr people making romantic tags for Clay and Hannah ... Other than that it was an interesting take on suicide
Can you elaborate on how this show glorified suicide? People keep throwing that around but noboy actually says what about it made it seem "glamorous", desireable, or like a good idea in any way. As someone who has struggled with suicidal tendencies I feel stronly about this topic, however I didnt see this with this show.
Personally, I feel that it runs the risk of treating suicide as what my friend and I tend to call catastrophe-porn - showing the worst-case scenario of something horrible, and making it edgy, and fascinating, and almost appealing in how terrible it is. It's a cultural norm at this point, and I think it happens a lot.
But honestly, the main reason is that... I feel like at no point in the story does it treat Hannah's suicide as a choose, but rather as an almost unavoidable consequence. The power behind her taking her own life is dispersed between various people, who she blames for her death. I feel like she hands all of the responsibility for her suicide to other people, and they start to realize the monsters they've become, and wrestle with things they should have been wrestling with for years.
Firstly, I think that putting your suicide on someone else's hands is not acceptable for any reason. They may trigger you, and your disease may blind you to the option of living - keeping on can seem impossible, and too exhausting and painful to be worth it - but in the end it is a choice, unless you actually shut down of heart break (I can't remember what the medical term for that is).
Secondly, I feel like it risks giving the impression that if you die for it, you can change people. Too often, at our lowest, we are tempted to feel that if we remove ourselves from the equation, things would finally start to change, and people will finally be held accountable for their actions. I'd rather see a story of someone surviving, and making change occur once they come out the other side of suicidal depression. (just personally)
And thirdly, the fact that Hannah's death is treated as almost unavoidable, I feel like it offers an air of inevitability to a tragic end for rape victims/people with depression/those who struggle with being bullied and slandered. These people deserve to know that they hold the power to change their lives - that they may be victims, but they are also more than that, and that nobody else can write their story.
The reality of losing a friend, or the quiet kid at school, is almost never something people would want to base a show on. It's horrible, and quiet, and forgotten, and the people who are jerks don't always notice or care, and the people who are the most broken are the ones who you would have wanted to be friends with if you could have long enough to know them.
Every artist is free to express themselves in whatever way they choose, but when you back it with a budget, and send it into the world for millions of viewers, there's a responsibility that comes with that.
Personally, after losing ten years of my life to suicidal depression, and after having suffered through sexual harassment from a professor, I have to say that this was a trigger for me, and not one I enjoyed. The horror-film mode of the trailers felt dehumanizing, and the mood of the story was hurtful to me. I appreciate the warning label, but I feel like that's putting the weight on the viewers to be healthy - not the show.
Princess Purity tbh there are tons of movies where someone over comes suicide .. And the reason I thought 13 Reasons why was cool was because I felt like it mainly centered around the people left behind
Like whenever someone commits suicide that is always the entire focus .. However the show takes it deeper and into the lives of regular people and how they cope with the tragedy
I mean yeah a lot is unrealistic af but it's a television show after all .. It's supposed to be dramatized and works of fiction
I was also a victim of sexual assault while I was very much underage and I was bullied into depression ... So a lot of what happened I could actually relate to believe it or not (from the fabricated stories to pictures to backstabbing friends to harassment) and I can 100% say that it didn't trigger me at all because it was, as I said, fiction
I can understand why you'd think they romanticized suicide ,
All to their own I suppose
struggling with several of the issues in this show my self, it didn't push me toward suicide. it was like a breath of fresh air. like someone saying 'hey, you're not alone.' i dont understand how it was glamorized at all. quite frankly, i believe its eye-opening.
Parents will find any reason to complain about something, it glorifies suicide? Did they watch the final episode where she slits her wrists open? That was fucking horrifying and painful to watch. The show is about a girl who needed help, didnt know how to ask for it and when she tried no one ever heard her.
Absolon Dragonfed I watched the first season and I still remember all of that you just mentioned.
I watched this show about a year ago and it was very mind opening.
The final episode is literally one of the worst problems. It's like a how-to guide on killing yourself and breaks all the rules given, (by professionals!) on how to go about the topic of suicide
I find that it helps people who are going through it. It helps them open up.
This show is dumb and dangerous asf
Emma Paige Dumbass^
It was supposed to be more of a PSA than a glorification on suicide and those subjects leading up to the actions people make before hand..
I think the idea of this show was good, but it was just very poorly executed and did not seem relatable at all as a teenager in current society(dont @ me lol)
well yeah, the tape part wasn't relatable, and neither was most of the show. To me, it felt like it was made not by actual teenagers, but by adults who think they know what teenagers these days are like. It wasn't real at all and the chemistry between most of the characters just felt forced in my opinion.
Rainbow00 _ from wat I remember Hannah wanted help but doesn’t say anything & just expect everyone to know wat she’s thinking & she’s way too sensitive
bitch, you're ass look 13
I feel like this was the most accurate portrayal of teens, actually
Emily Ferguson our generation (teens) are pussies saying shit like “my life is so hard im depressed i wanna die” boo hoo they need to get a grip if a tv show offends them due to dealing with topics that they find hard to swallow cause they are entitled twats who think life will be a breeze. Our generation has it THE BEST AND EASIEST IN HISTORY we have better schools, internet, phones, medicine, more opportunities than anyone else and i know people face hardships and would consider suicide cause they were raped,abused and had bad experiences but I guarantee they wouldn’t want to wallow in sadness cause when ive suffered trauma i try to more forward and if this show gets to you YOU ARE WEAK
it doesn't "glorify" suicide, it makes people aware of these huge problems that may not be talked about everyday. but, some people may use this as an idea, "oh hannah killed herself and made 13 tapes and got revenge, i could do the same"
Little late
Its a good idea to put that "warning" at the idea...I'm glad they are doing that. So good that they are addressing and talking about all of this on such a main stage!
It’s a bit late don’t you think? This series really didn’t help me. And I already talk to my parents.
The series glamourises suicide, the main character kills herself to get revenge on her bullies. And that’s not how it works. I’m sorry but there should be more then a warning for this show, age restriction is a starter.
If you think the character kills herself to get revenge on her bullies, then you aren't actually understanding it. Hannah kills herself because she is depressed, she is depressed for a number of reasons. The suicide itself was what Hannah saw as her only way out, it wasn't a direct revenge act on her bullies. The TAPES however, are a different story, they are the revenge. She wanted them to know how their acts affected her, and that yes, they ultimately led to her death, but the idea of revenge wasn't what drove her to kill herself. You need to be able to separate these two things.
The show technically does have an age restriction, in the form of a rating, in Australia, this is MA 15+, therefore, technically nobody under the age of 15 should be watching it. Have fun policing that though on an online platform though, particularly if the parents are too stupid to put parental controls on their kids profiles. Let me just be clear on this rating thing though, and what it means. If say, a particular computer game is rated MA 15+ here in Australia, not only is it illegal for anyone under that age to purchase the game in a store, it is also illegal for their parents to purchase it for them (though this is all moot point now due to online clients like steam enabling easy faking of age). The same concept cannot apply to tv shows because of the way in which they are watched (in the privacy of a home), however any movie with this rating that shows in a cinema, the cinema will not let anyone underage in to see it, because that would be illegal. What I'm saying is that the ability of people to watch this show while too young has nothing to do with the age restriction, or Netflix itself, it's down to parents who don't care, can't be bothered, or don't know how to set up parental restrictions on their Netflix profiles.
You're too fucking sensitive lmao. Don't watch it if you're going to get in your emotions over FICTIONAL stories.
It is age restricted 18
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Payton Morgan Agreed, You couodn't of said It better!
anything to help young people talk about their fears is a good thing. a middle school student took his life last week in my small town,dew to social media/school ridicule.
to all you parents, and big sisters and brothers out there. get involved in your youngsters social activities. you'll find out a lot more than they'll ever talk to you about.
People are too sensitive these days
El Mantishrimp unfortunately
As someone who has suffered multiple suicide attempts I really don’t think the show or book glamorized this. I think people need to Know them self’s and know what they can and can’t handle. It’s a great series and it’s intense it’s raising awareness
It does glorify suicide and the show is done in a distasteful manner; the biggest issue you’re all missing is that this is REVENGE suicide. The tapes Hannah left all are in an act of revenge, to everyone saying “topics like this need to be discussed”. They do, in an accurate perception because I for one don’t know anyone who’s attempted, including myself, who would leave their decision to attempt in the hands of others to deal with
margot Exactly.
She doesn't want anyone to hurt her ever again. Why make it about them?
margot it’s fictional get over it and if someone thinks it could cause them to commit suicide they are weak minded and need to grow up i know its harsh but it is true
margot
most suicide for teens is revenge/escape. They are getting bullied and mom/dad not around to talk too. Schools don't care.
My sister was a cutter in her high school because she was bullied, and the school kept punishing her for it not the bully. Her counselor would try to help, but the school refused to listen.
It got to the point my mom pulled her out of school, and my sister took a ged course.
If you never had anyone like this, or was like this yourself. Please stfu. It was meant to be a conversation starter and show how awful and painful it can be.
this is better then the movie virgin suicides which imo did glorify it.
Azura Moonstar did you not read what i said? i’ve attempted to kill myself three times, my girlfriend is in hospital right now because she tried to take her life for the fifth time - so don’t tell me to stfu like i don’t understand. don’t belittle other peoples experiences. what you said is a lie. most suicides aren’t revenge. what we want is a way out of the pain, we’re crying for help in the only way we know how. we aren’t out to ruin other peoples lives. so don’t be so fucking rude
This show doesn’t glorify suicide at all. After watching the show, I realized how much my words and actions can affect someone, even the little things. It taught me to sit down next to the kid who’s alone, to stand up for others, and ask someone how they are doing when no one else would. It was an impactful show that is truly inspiring to me, and to many others as well.
Is this show good?
YEEEEESSSSSS
Yeeaahh
No it’s cancer
Not really
I don’t think the show glorified suicide but I feel like they could have done a better job showing the audience that suicide was not Hanna’s only option. When I was watching the first season it felt to me like they were presenting suicide as her only option by making all the adults incompetent, how her counselor was stupid and refused to believe she was raped, how her parents/friends didn’t notice the signs.
Nicole Weber Yeah, it makes seeking help seem hopeless
That's a good move by putting the message in advance but when they going to release the trailer of the Season 2 so parents can see if they can let their kids to watch it or not ???
I was having suicidal thoughts when I watched the first season and it did not glorify it in any way. Seeing the tragedy that followed after was what made me get help. I didn’t want to see my friends and family go through that. I hate when people say things like this. I can honestly say that this show (and a combination of other things) helped save my life. It made the reality of what I wanted to do set in. It was realistic and it got conversation started. Suicide was talked about in my home, my school, my friend groups. It helped people understand its a real issue. NETFLIX PLEASE DON’T LET THE SECOND SEASON RUIN THAT.