Fujifilm X-H2S: The Bad AF Truth Exposed! What Fujifilm Won't Admit
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
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In this video, we dive into the rollercoaster that is the Fujifilm X-H2S autofocus. From the game-changing initial release to the struggles introduced in later firmware updates, we're breaking down everything you need to know about the autofocus performance over time. Did Fujifilm fix the issues or just make them worse? Watch as we explore the key updates, the highs and lows, and whether or not you should update your firmware. Let me know your thoughts in the comments-have you experienced these autofocus problems?
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Fuji rumors have blocked my comments because I all the time telling them how is AF Useless.
I hear you! AF has been a big issue for a lot of us. It’s important that people keep sharing their honest experiences.
The guy from Fuji rumors blocks all kinds of postings - I don't go there any longer. Fanboi site with tons of ads.
They’re a fan site, not Fuji itself so telling them is pointless
I will say that the AF on my X-S20 really isn’t bad-it doesn’t touch the AF precision of my A7IV, but it is clearly superior to my X-E4
Thank you making this video. Fujifilm needs to address this, is so sad what happened to the 5th processor cameras with those firmware "upgrades".
I have been through Fujifilm XT-1, XT-2, XT-3, XH-1, XH-2 and XH-2S. I was so much looking forward to the improved autofocus and subject detection on the two latter. I had issues and the deteriorated with every firmware update. I shoot wildlife and in the end abandoned Fujifilm altogether. Too many soft pictures or even blurry also when the camera clearly indicated focus acquired.
That's frustrating, especially after so much investment in the system! Wildlife photography demands reliable AF, so I totally get why you made the switch. The question is: what did you switch to?
@@WesKriesel before Fujifilm I used Nikon D90, D300, D700, D750, so both APS-C and full frame, and I returned to Nikon now using Z9 hoping they will soon release a high megapixel APS-C as a supplement.
Don't sleep on Nikon. With the RED Acquisition they are doing great stuff.
Definitely worth exploring!
Same thing happened to me. I bought X-T5 in Autumn 2022, and I also had X-E4. In 2023 I sold all of my Fuji equipment and before I did that I bought Sony A/IV. Differences were almost immediately visible. Sony AF we don't have to explain. I'm really happy with my A7IV, and I have no plans to coming back to Fuji. Just to mention- I was Fuji shooter since 2018 and X-T3.
Totally understand where you’re coming from - and don't be surprised if I join you! Sony’s AF is hard to beat, especially after dealing with Fuji’s limitations. Glad you found a system that works for you!
This is a biggest issue that Fujifilm needs to deal with and yet, they are still not admitting their own problems officially. They are too stubborn and dont really care about what's going on. Instead they only care about their revenue as they are gaining a lot annually. They seriously dont care about professionals and it will ruin their business in camera industry.
AF issue is a huge problem cause it only proves that they cant even do a basic stuff. They still didnt remove all problematic firmwares from their website and they suppose to check and fix firmwares before they even release them.
The other problem is there are a lot of fanboys such as Fuji Rumors and Fuji subreddit are still not accepting the fact and instead of blaming all users for not using AF properly. Can you believe that BS?
At this point, Fujifilm is at high risk to lose their camera industry for their poor reputations and it's just a matter of time before that happen.
You’re right, Fuji needs to take responsibility for these AF issues, especially for pros who rely on it. It’s frustrating when fan communities dismiss real problems instead of pushing for fixes. Fuji really needs to step up before they lose more loyal users.
It is safe to assume that Fujifilm is quite embarrassed about these autofocus issues. Basking in profits and neglecting their clients is not their MO.
They are likely doing extensive testing to ensure they release the right solution to fix this mess. As frustrating as this situation is, I feel like they’ve got one more shot with their next update, and I really don’t believe they'll mess it up. While it's tempting to consider other options, I don't see an urgent need to pack up my Fuji gear and switch... yet.
I keep hearing about this. I have an X-S20 and an X-T4. Both of them have minor focus issues only because I haven't upgrade the firmware. I really love Fujifilm, but I need reliable hybrid functions to do what I do. I've been debating on switching to Sony or back to Nikon, which has improved by leaps and bounds this year.
I use the XH2, only for wildlife bird photography, with XF150-600+1.4tc. Bird detect AF is a hit n miss, and I don't know where is the sweet spot that gets it...M, A, S, P?
So frustrating!
I'm glad you said this! I have an xt-4 and have wanted to upgrade to either a nikon z8 or a fuji xh2s so I can get animal eye detect. I love love my xt4 but I it doesn't matter how nice to use fuji cameras are if it can't focus. It's looking like nikon is a the move for wildlife
Sadly, I think Fuji's X-series camera quality peaked with the X-H1, and it has been downhill ever since. Every time I think of switching back to Fuji, I see more horror stories like this.
I had an X-H1 on loan from Fuji (not when it was new but like right before the X-H2s came out), and I really was impressed! I would pick up a used one for sure, as a recreational camera.
That was their best body design too. Xh2s without clickable wheels was a disappointment.
Agree, the X-H1 is great. I also have the OG X100 and X-T1. Always buy old stuff.
If it focuses properly, it's not a fujifilm.
Ha ha ha ha!
🤣
When have cataract and say in focus😂😂
Fuji have always had jittery AF even with static objects in video. I gave up on fujifilm for my professional work.
Why is Fuji ignoring this obvious problem that most users are experiencing? I don’t get it.
XT4 with the new firmware also have AF problems, especially AFC. For Wedding Photography after 8 years with Fuji X System with a lot AF problems, I think I will go to Sony A7IV.
Sony’s AF is a game changer for events like weddings-hope the switch works out!"
For the money Nikon Z8 when on sale for $3,400 or if you need the kit lens $4,300. Unfortunately it looks like there sale price has increased by $200
Good tip!
You nailed it with the autofocus inconsistencies, especially in burst mode. I’ve been struggling with eye detection lately too. Do you think it’s more a software issue, or could there be a hardware limitation?
Thank you for watching and for leaving a comment. I definitely think it's software. The autofocus used to be breathtakingly good!
Surprising to hear. I literally don’t have any AF issues with h2s? Are you setting a region of dots for AF or letting it to move focus within the whole sensor area?
That's good to hear. I use single point AF. Usually with face/eye detect on for event photography.
Moi aussi, je n'ai pas vraiment de problème d'AF mais j'utilise une zone AF dans laquelle je recherche les yeux ou le visage.
Je pense qu'il est important de donner sa configuration d'AF quand on dit que l'on a un problème.
You are not crazy at all. I also am not happy but I will be making a video about it also. Since the update before last I haven't used it. I'll speak on this more in my video about it
Bring it!!! Thanks for checking out the video. Will definitely watch yours when it comes out!
I'm terrified of upgrading mine at this point because it's good and I just keep hearing NIGHTMARE stories.
Don't do it! The new features are not worth it. Thanks for watching, Omar!
I’ve shot Fuji for several years now and have an XT3 and x100V. The XT3 has very basic continuous AF which I find isn’t good at all unless there is really good light. I’ve recently started shouting more sport and was going to upgrade to the XH2S but then the continuous AF trouble started so I’m sitting on my hands for a couple of months to see if they sort it out but if not it will probably be a switch to Canon for my interchangeable lens camera.
Totally get that! The XT3's AF can struggle, especially in low light. Smart move holding off on the X-H2S for now-hopefully, Fuji sorts it out soon. But yeah, Canon is a solid backup if they don't!
On Fujirumors they have said that Fuji is aware of the AF iusse and or currently working on a solution. All they need to do is say sorry and reset to 1.07 and start over
A reset to 1.07 and an apology would restore a lot of trust. Let’s hope they actually deliver on that fix.
Thank you for your video.
Do you have a source for the lower firmware versions for xh2 and XH2s?
Check this out: www.reddit.com/r/FujifilmX/comments/1diw6qt/downgrade_fujifilm_xh2s_based_on_skups/
I went from fuji xh2s to canon. :X. My issues was that my GFX100s, and xh2s, kept on freezing during major commercial shoots. The fuji's firmware AF debacle was the icing on the cake.
This is truly horrible! Issues with the GFX - I wasn't aware of this freezing issue. We use the GFX100s at work, but most often it's one of our main cameras on our podcast, so have seen no freezing issues there. We use it infrequently for stills.
I got my X-H2S repaired and the company upgraded my camera to 7.0 😅
Ah. Welp. Thanks, Fuji Customer Service.
That’s hilarious cuz I sold my xh2s and picked up the r8 😂
Well played!
Like you, I am a former Canon shooter (close to 40 years), however as I moved away from the news biz, I really was tired of all the heavy rigs, glass, and so forth, and frankly just burned out altogether. I discovered Fuji around 2016 and I was hooked, the dials and actual f-stop rings with numbered f-stops on the ring itself…😱, I was teleported back to 1979… where I began my journey. Now the AF issues…Look, I was willing to overlook the infamous AF anomalies of the Fuji system, I figured that they would iron these out over time, and to some degree they did. However as I began to move back into shooting some sporting events, airshows, etc...over the past two years, this is where the AF inconsistencies seemingly inherent with the Fuji lineup really became a concerning issue. I currently shoot with a variety of gear, the X-T5, X-T3, X-Pro 3, X-Pro 2, and X-E2s, and even more glass. Honestly, the ‘XH’ lineup never held much appeal for me (I love my old-school dials). The ‘5’ is (was rather) the workhorse, though with the firmware issues discussed in this video also affecting the ‘5’ as well, I have brought the ‘3’ out of retirement, and is quickly regaining its workhorse status. A side rant, I was very “annoyed” at Fuji when they sent the ‘XT’ down to the minors, but I became extremely pissed when they ceased production of the booster grip meaning no real way to comfortably balance my monster 150-600 to the ‘5’…Man, I am glad I kept the ‘3’ with its “bottom half”. The flip side is I lose that 40mp sensor when I slap that lens onto the X-T3 and as I still have to do a lot of cropping, those extra megapixels come in handy. Back to the subject at hand…Fuji seems to have lost a lot of it’s ‘mojo’ over the past two years, so where for I stand with Fuji? Not 100% certain, but one thing is for sure, I am NOT (like many I suspect) going to immediately upgrade with the next update, I'll let others be the Guinea Pigs, sit back and observe. Honestly, I prefer to stay with Fuji, dammit, I love these cameras, especially the X-Pros, and XEs. I have $$$$$ tied up into Fuji gear, it would cost me dearly to switch and frankly, no other system has the appeal of this system, flaws and all. That said if Canon were to go down this ‘retro’ route, like Nikon seems to be doing, and say, bring a rig in the style of an F1AE or an A1 as well as a Canonet Rangefinder, that may be a siren call, to hard to ignore.
Wow, what a journey! Totally feel the love-hate relationship with Fuji. The AF struggles can be a dealbreaker. Fingers crossed Fuji gets their mojo back soon-though a retro Canon could definitely turn some heads! 👀
Hey Wes, I just wanted to take a moment to thank you for your insightful videos since discovering your channel some "X" time ago...ha! Your review of the Fuji H2S was instrumental in my decision to outfit my new studio here in Europe with the H2S and two other Fuji cameras. In my case i dropped Nikon for this system. I’ve been following you for a bit, and I always appreciate the depth of your content.
I share your disappointments regarding the autofocus system and the firmware updates. It’s frustrating to see such issues, especially from a company like Fuji, which I believe has so much potential. Their history of delivering great cameras makes this situation all the more disheartening. I hope they address these problems soon because it truly breaks my confidence when working with clients. Thanks again for all your hard work and sharing your thoughts-I truly value your insights!
I downgraded mine to 1.03 and then update to 2.10 because FW 3.00 is when Ai Algorithm AF was implemented. If Fujifilm get rid of Ai or allow us to turn off AF in 7.01 or FW 8.00, AF would be just as good as FW 1.03 ~ FW 2.10 and we would still have those new features but we are still missing waveform and anamorphic lens guide.
Smart move downgrading to 1.03! I agree, the AI algorithm introduced in 3.00 made things tricky. Letting us turn it off in future updates would be a game-changer."
@@WesKriesel Is not possibile to downgrade without send the camera to RMA
I have an XH2, I don't do videos, and the autofocus is very lacking for me. I'm still waiting for a fix, but it's been too long and I'm slowly thinking about selling it.
Man, I'm sorry to hear this! I bought the X-H2 and returned it in just 30 days. The autofocus just wasn't up to par. Issues were apparent right away - I think I discuss AF in the middle of this video: ruclips.net/video/pBG-wb2-1wY/видео.html
I installed firmware 2.01 on my X-H2 and it's much better than 3.0 and 5.0. My X-S20 works well with the newest firmware but the X-H2 v.2.01 seems better. Maybe the processor can't keep up with the newest firmware on the 40MP sensor?
Makes sense that the processor might be pushed too hard. Good call on rolling back to 2.01 for better performance! I always thought the 40MP sensor was not quite ready for prime time when I bought the X-H2. I returned it in 30 days.
I'm ready to sell my X-H2 and switch to Sony.
I'm definitely exploring Sony.
What lens do you have at 1:10
That's a Funleader 18mm F/8 lens. No electronics, no moving parts (no focus or aperture rings)
Also Panasonic s5ii
Good tip!
After having Fujifilm for the last 11 years, I just switched back to Nikon. Traded my X-H2s and X-H2 for a Nikon Z8. Autofocus nailed surfers in Hawaii this month. Very pleased with the quickness which was the reason I originally bought an X-H2s in 2022. I hope they fix it because they have some nice features.
My buddy @jerredz recently made the move to Nikon. Dumping the Fuji X gear. He seems pretty happy, too!
Thank you, Wes. You are beautiful and good too!
🙏🙏🙏
I don’t use my XH-2 for my portrait work shooting wide open, Group/headshots at F5.6-8, AF is great. I use my R6 for my 1.4 glass. Now I shoot car shows at 1.2 on XH2, 98% hit rate.
Glad to hear the XH-2 works so well for your car show shots! Sounds like you’ve found the perfect setup for different scenarios.
I sold all my canon gear for an XT5...I returned my Xt5 autofocus "aneurysms" and got an A7 IV. Never looking back.
Tempting! What type of photography do you primarily do?
I’m really frustrated. I changed from sony to fuji because 2 years ago, because it was what i needed/liked (even being aware of the AF performance) … i mostly do sports photography and weddings… now I’m scared to accept new work
“I am recently a dad, so i dont have the money to switch brands now” 😥😕
Such a bummer! I'm going to explore Sony and Nikon myself.
Join the Sony family
Tempting. If I only knew someone local who would let me borrow an A7iv for testing!
I bought two XH-1s - sold them a couple years later due to random shutdowns and AF unreliability. I used them for filming live theater but found it was not safe to use them for paid work. Always preferred Fuji's image to Canon but slowly began using Canon.
Then the XH2S came out. Bought two of those. After multiple jobs where the AF caused me some heart-stopping crises, put them aside and began using Canons again. Canons - a C70 and R6MKIIs in this case - were rock solid for reliability and AF. Still have the
XH2S's but can't be reliably used for my kind of work - although I do sometimes use them as a C Cam recording 6.2K of full stage, in manual focus mode.
It's really a shame - the XH2S image is just insanely good. Fuji should put the XH2S sensor in a cinema camera build. They should look at what Apple did years ago and streamline their offerings. There are way too many X series bodies. They should have 2 or 3 X series bodies, a couple GFX series bodies and a cinema camera or two. A C70 style camera with that XH2S sensor would be amazing. Fujis problem is focus, in two ways - their attention seems scattered over too many camera bodies, and their autofocus never gets straightened out.
I'll always hang onto my Fuji gear, and use it when I can, but it's a shame seeing them not living up to what they could be.
I totally get it-Fuji's image quality is incredible, but the AF issues are tough for professional work. A streamlined lineup and a cinema camera would definitely take them to the next level!
The H2S auto force is not not awful, it’s inconsistent. I have a Canon R5 on the way and will perform a bake off next week.
I can predict the results! The R5 make shooting a dream!
Was he joking about the stuck lens ?
No, true story. However, my buddy @omarknowsphotos told me to stick it in the refrigerator. I did, and actually the lens mount metal contracted enough to break it free. However, I had to let it fully air/dry out because there was condensation on the lens mount and I needed to get it back to room temperature before I put a DIFFERENT lens back on!
Good to know just in case .
Good to know just in case . Glad you got it fixed .
Helpful breakdown of the firmware updates! I had no idea how much changed between 1.00 and 7.00. Do you think they'll ever bring it back to how it was at launch? Btw, loved your recent X100VI video!
Thank you for watching and for the kind words!
what is that tiny lens!!!??
That's a Funleader 18mm F/8
Well at least you can downgrade :D on Sony nobody can downgrade your camera, even in the official service center.
If I were you I was going to go Panasonic ;). I am on Sony now and I am thinking about it :D
I didn't know that about Sony. I had the GH5 back when it was the best thing, and it could have been my limitations, but I didn't love it. Worth re-exploring!
I wish Fuji cameras like xh2s had time-lapse / slowmo feature just like Sony cameras. Sony has seperate s&q feature on the body.
I'm not familiar with those functions on Sony. One more reason to explore!
@@WesKriesel sony has "s&q" dial on body.. google.it and you will know
We urgently need fuji to address this issue ASAP!!
Agreed!
Have you seen the issue sony is having with their last update to the fx3 and fx30 . To the extent of bricking their cameras.
I haven't seen that! Frustrating!
@@WesKriesel they pulled the update so no more shutter angle again .
Are you going to switch back to Canon? 😂
I don't think I will. If I was shooting professionally more, I'd definitely switch to Canon. Or maybe Sony!? Never thought I'd say that, but here we are.
Also sold my R5 for XH2S. Mostly because RF lens lineup kinda limited. Since then canon has released the 200-800. I’m still very happy with my XH2S performance with latest firmware. Hopefully we will see improvements coming to current models and finally rock solid performance in newer models.
We have a lot in common! Part of my decision to abandon Canon was that they were blocked third party lens manufacturers. That didn't sit well with me!
@@WesKriesel Same. I also like to use different brands from time to time. Had never really used a Fuji before and the XH2S seemed like their second try at a real "pro" body, so I figured why not. They all have their quirks and cool features.
Are you using third party lenses on Fujifilm?
@@justinburley8659 I use XF 150-600, XF 18-120, and Viltrox 75mm
Sold my XT5 and XH2 and picked up a Sony A7R5. Absolutely zero regrets. I know people talk a lot about so many ergonomics being bad, but I actually really enjoy the button and dial layout. I went with a lot of native lenses, but you can find third-party lenses and probably spend less for a full frame set up than what you were paying for Fuji glass.
Glad to hear the switch worked out for you! Sony’s layout isn’t for everyone, but if it clicks, it’s a win. And yeah, those third-party lens options make full-frame a lot more affordable!
Nice one. I can confirm this mess on my X-T5.
Man! Such a bummer. Thanks for watching and for leaving a comment.
You may want to look at Nikon, better price for what you get.
Great suggestion. Definitely looking. What's the body and lens you'd recommend for event photography?
How can i go back to previous firmware?
You need to find the old version somewhere. Its not easy because from Fuji youll only ever get the newest one. Someone needs to send it to you basically.
I posted a helpful detailed explanation but it got shadow banned. Good luck
I thought I posted a suggestion to this but I don't see it now. Did you get help with this?
@@WesKriesel not yet sir
Nikon are the king when it comes to FW updates, I ditched Fuji for Nikon and could not be happier :)
Fantastic. How long ago did you make the switch? And which body and lens did you move to?
@@WesKriesel I switched in December 2022 to a Z9, 70-200mm f/2.8, 24-120mm f/4, 50mm f/1.8, 14-30mm f/4 and the stunning 85mm f/1.2 (all S glass).
So a camera is good when ONLY autofocus works?
Yes
To be honest. I moved from Canon to the X-H2S and haven't looked back. I don't seem to have the autofocus problems that you are showing. I did spend an aweful long time setting it up for the sort of photography I like but if you are going to spend over £2k on a camera, why not invest the time and get it right. The last firmware update improved things on my camera. I shoot at 10-40 fps and some aren't in focus......................... seriously.
One thing I have learned is that the Fuji crowd are a strange bunch. The canon fanbois will walk over broken glass for Canon to the extent that they claimed that the R7 was a great camera. But Fuji fans are very different. Fuji's autofocus has previosuly been pretty rubbish and most Fuji fans agreed with that but the "Fuji experience" was worth it.
When the X-H2S came in, it introduced an autofocus system that was so much better than anything Fuji had done before and only slight down on Sony and Canon (easily comparable with Nikon at the time). The problem was that Fuji's antiquated little dials had gone, so the Fuji traditionalists (dinosaurs) got on the back of the X-H2 and X-H2S. As soon as people start to question the AF, out they come like the slugs in my garden on a warm wet night.
The truth is that the X-H2S needs setting up, it's not like a Canon or Sony that pretty much works fine out of the box. And, in general, people are lazy. The number of people I have seen shooting the R7 in Auto would amaze you. So if you really can't set up the autofocus to your liking, go and borrow an XT-2, see how that autofocus works, or doesn't.
As someone who spent the best part of 30 years shooting Canon, Fuji is doing a great job. If the autofocus is not to your liking, go buy a R1 - apparently the autofocus is better but you'll need another £5k.
You completely missed the point of the video and why some are righteously complaining.
I have cameraes cheaper than my latest gen Fuji, and they are much more relaible then it comes to AF!
Thumbing you up because I basically agree with you, but some things are true;
1) AF has mildly suffered over the f'w update releases for sure (but in other ways improved)
2) 6.00 really did break it quite badly, 7.00 took a long time to address it, and it only kinda fixed it, there are some weirdness left over that wasn't there before that still needs mopped up.
I'm a working professional using 2x XH2S's, I tested 1.03 for over a month on paid jobs but have returned to 5.03 where I feel the AF + Feature set is better balanced. 1.03 is better in some ways, other ways not, and vice versa. I am mostly content with the AF performance, I get by for what I do, but I can tell it could be much better for sure. I get my keepers but it does require spamming more than I really ought to. Definitely tuning some settings can help as you say, 8fps also seems pretty important if seeking accuracy, the higher burst speeds will collect a lot of duds. But overall the core of the AF is not great, so the tuning is really applicable for a smaller percentage boosting in results.
I understand the hate, and its semi valid from the customer base. I still think the camera has a huge amount going for it, especially at its price point, I need the unique features it has so am willing to put up with slightly less awesome AF compared to the competitors. I know if I move to another brand I will be pleased in AF but punished elsewhere. At least with poor AF I can up the shots that assists with guaranteeing what is required (I just spend more time culling in post). But with another camera system they could lack certain features I am just stuffed 100% with no workaround, AF feels like something that can be semi worked around for a lot of scenarios. If a camera isn't stacked sensor it just isn't stacked sensor and that can be the difference in thousands spent. If I went R1 I will be eating baked beans on toast for a year... not worth it.
Yeah i looked at Full Frame Nikon and with one prime and a decent zoom you are looking more than twice fuji and don’t they the colours. I shoot boxing a ton and whilst I don’t seem to nail as many shots as before it’s not hurting my work. The only reason I was looking to switch is because the camera freezes too often and i’m shooting once in a lifetime moments.
When we know how great the XH2S was with the original firmware and then see a gradual decrease in AF performance from firmware that was supposed to improve it, that is unacceptable. this dribble about setting up AF and people are lazy show how little you know and understand about the issues Fuji has induced. i guess if your just going out taking the odd snap shot every now and then you won't ever see the problem.