Is it time to say goodbye to the gas stove?
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- Опубликовано: 31 мар 2021
- The debate over which stove to use is moving beyond our kitchens, and into our energy grid. More and more research is showing that natural gas is not the harmless energy source it was once thought to be. As some cities are taking action in the race to reduce emissions, the natural gas industry is fighting back. The last big battleground? Our stovetops.
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What do you think it would take to phase out of gas stoves?
For our government and schools to educate the public, and offer healthy rebates for purchasing an induction range. I've been looking at a new on demand water heater and the power company is offering a healthy rebate that helps with the upgrade cost.
A lot of modifications in building. Thats for sure.
making electricity cheaper and induction stoves cheaper
both are the 'expensive' option, and that's really the only thing holding them back
no. Wok needs gas stove. Electric just doesn't have the fire power I need. If I were to find an electric stove that have such power, the circuit breaker in my old apartment won't allow me to use it.
there's no way you can do this ruclips.net/video/3gF44PXZXNc/видео.html on electricity.
@Verge Science I get it if you are looking it at the end point electricity is better than gas. so the question is, how is electricity being made? are we getting electricity without polluting the environment? stats please.
Watching this from Brazil where almost everyone has a gas stove. But the gas we use doesn't come in pipes, we actually buy a cylinder and keep it in our houses, which usually lasts about two months.
Reminding that gas cylinders dosen't have Natural Gas, but rather liquefied petroleum gas.
The mixture is buthane and propane, not methane.
But LPG cylinders(butane and propane) are less pollutant than the PNG (piped natural gas). Better switch to LPG cylinders
@@ripper5941 In energy density yes, but in operational costs and efficiency, no. To fill lpg cylinders requires a pump that pressurizes to nearly 10 times the pressure of a natural gas line, that uses energy. Then you have to transport the cylinder from the filling station to the home, that uses energy. Then you have to manufacture the tank which also uses energy. The tank has a working life of 20 to 30 years and then its decommissioned. Lastly, transport of pressurized cylinders is far more dangerous than a low pressure underground line that is not subject to hazardous road conditions.
same in the philippines.
@@xxRamD3yruxx not true. theres zero cylinder accidents via road.
In many places in Philippines, electricity costs are high. That's why gas stoves are more common than electric stoves
Philippines is mostly an underdeveloped country and it's not necessarily important for them to somehow leapfrog the US on this. Instead, the US should develop, deploy, and broadly scale up alternatives to natural gas like wind and solar generation, battery tech, induction stoves and mini splits, then let the more affordable tech reach less wealthy countries at lower price points in the near future. This is exactly what happened with telephone service: the west spent billions developing cell phone networks to replace landlines, and India got the second manufacturing run of that equipment for cheap which allowed them to completely skip the much more costly landline networks for telephones.
@@Joe-ij6of But there were landline telephone networks in India (though mostly owned and run by state owned company BSNL) liberalisation of communication is what changed the telecom marketplace.
In Mexico is the same, non of the houses use electricity stoves.
In our part of the country, it's even worse because of the frequent long blackouts/power interruption.
Why not use both? You still pay for what you use only.
At 6:54, you showed an electric stove top hob, not an induction cooktop. Induction cooktops do not glow red.
This. Hard to convince people to switch to induction when even the editor of the video itself haven't seen one in their life 😂
Maybe that is a induction stove, the camera might be seeing some of the infrared radiation emitted by the induction cooktop surface, because unless you put some cooking utensil on top of it it doesn't start.
@@ashutoshmourya4748 you wouldn't get the top hot unless there was cookware recently put there and heated up. If you just turn it on the coil turns on but does not generate noticeable heat.
Dude's got an RGB gaming stove
@@ashutoshmourya4748 Wrong, induction cooktops create magnetic fields, a camera will not see that. The editor clearly hasn't ever used an induction cooktop and this is the problem. Most people don't know there's a difference between radiant cooktops and induction cooktops.
The main reason my family uses a gas stove is because we have an unreliable grid. If it's the dead of winter and an ice storm takes out the power for a week the stove can keep the family warm and we can still make food. We don't all live in sunny California.
And this is an important point, because you can't apply the same things for everyone, we probably have a lot of time ahead of us where some fossil fuels might be necessary but that doesn't mean that most of the world shouldn't do important changes like this.
We have rolling blackouts every year in Southern California, I'm sticking with natural gas.
This is a Democrat run state.
@Neil Deep conservatives have nothing to do with my grid. I don't think we should start framing infrastructure as a left and right thing. Building up a grid for people on the left and right is a huge undertaking the requires alot of skilled smart people to come together and get alot of complex things sorted out and built.
$$ rules. Whichever is cheaper is what people will use. Usually NG is cheaper than propane and electric.
It is frightening to read that Blackouts still occur in the US
As a chef I much prefer industrial gas burners at work. At home I'm happy to use induction.
I do think it should be allowed for professional use, but banned from home construction.
More restaurant kitchens are going induction. Induction takes the heat out of the kitchen plus with the numeric settings on the dial you can fine-tune the recipes and make production more uniform.
@@PatrickPecoraro I like the instant heat you get from a gas burner, also easier to use the flame to flombe sauces. Also you can use any pan, or a hot plate, griddle ect on a gas burner.
problem I have for induction is it only goes up to about 1500w because of the 110v, and the 3 phase 220v one are super expensive
@@PatrickPecoraro That is not the point, I think.
For a professional, tools are very important. The source of heat is one of those tools.
In South Africa it is essential. We have rolling blackouts from time to time so induction can be problematic.
Granted, we mainly use LPG (propane/butane) in our stoves, not natural gas (methane)
Exactly
The thing is, if gas use wasn't so widespread then the problems creating the blackouts would be solved.
This Video only applies to the US. Fracking is prohibited in Europe for example and American regulations on oil/gas leaks is infamously soft. Misbehavior only gets punished when it is too late and something really catastrophic has happened.
If memory serves correct here, Europe gets a majority of their natural gas from Russia and the US so at least some of the emissions there can be attributed to European consumption
@@a-shockingly-generic-name Central and Eastern Europe almost exclusively cover their gas consumption with Russian gas. And with the new undersea pipelines Nordstream 1 and 2 this won't change quickly imho.
No, it applies to anywhere which uses a lot of natural gas ... including all of Europe but especially the UK
@@jrisner6535 I have to disagree. The video assumes that gas is produced everywhere the way it is produced in the US. That assumption does not hold when looking at large gas exporter of Europe which are Russia, Norway and the Netherlands. Those countries have invested heavily in their infrastructure to get their gas to market efficiently.
Furthermore, gas power plants are needed to smoothen-out the demand curve, especially before the background of potential dark-dulls. Germany almost had 2 black-outs this year, thanks to supply issues. Having blackouts is sad for a non-developing nation.
As someone originally from Louisiana, the thing that makes me really love gas stoves is that they’ll work when the power goes out. I moved to Texas a little while ago, and the fact that my house has a gas stove in it helped me a lot with feeding my family during the power outage.
For me to really be comfortable with an *all* electric home (something I would LOVE) I’d need some kind of way to feel safe in the event of a power outage. Wether that’s having solar panels on my home (we’re renting right now so that’s out lol) to generate local electricity for myself, having a generator, or just... you know, not having a government that wants to kill people to “keep the feds out.”
Completely agree with you. During the February storm, power was completely out in TX and we were at least able to feed ourselves with the gas stoves and warm ourselves with gas fireplace. Even backup generators usually work on natural gas or propane. I see the environmental concern as well, but with the temperatures as extreme as it has been in recent years - I would want some form of a backup resource - like NG - which would in turn again contribute to the greenhouse gases - which again also cause extreme temperatures. It's a catch 22. No perfect solution. Solar + Battery backups etc are all great options, but they are expensive.
And solar will go out too if they are hooked to the grid and the power goes out.
@@saulgoodman2018 Isn't that why you have batteries that charge off your solar panels?
@@FoodTechLife And not everyone has batteries with solar.
@@saulgoodman2018 I guess it's a good thing to think about then and maybe that's why I hear about that tesla home battery in the media or even for actual power grids like the one tesla built for Australia.
If electricity was cheap where I live I would've happily switched to electric.
Electric water heaters cost more to use per year than gas as well. Even the most efficient electric one cannot keep up.
@@Dryloch That’s why you’d have to use solar with it and stay in your house for the full length of the mortgage to pay everything off.
@@Dryloch Heat Pump (hybrid) water heaters cost less to operate than a gas water heater.
@@taylorlightfoot You are technically correct. The Energy guide is outdated on Gas water heaters though. It is assuming 1.09 a therm. Here in GA the cost is more like just under 50 cents a therm. That makes a gas heater cost $150.00 a year not the 300 shown on the label. The Hybrid shows about $100.00 on the label and at 12 cents a KW is about right for electricity in my area. So the Hybrid costs $50.00 a year less to operate but costs $500.00 more up front . It also has a ten year warranty vs 12 for the gas one. I suppose you could call it a draw in the end but paying $500 up front just to save it back over ten years is unlikely to appeal to that many people.
The electricity also mainly come from natural gas plant anyway for most countries
We were without electricity for weeks during this last winter storm. What kept us warm and allowed us to keep cooking? Yep, natural gas.
That’s a question of corruption rather than efficiency.
@@SolvayConference Um no, I'm not in Texas.
Although at the same time, with terrible winter storms it could’ve easily also cracked your pipes. Both are susceptible to the weather, although electricity can actually be made on the spot. Gas cannot. Also, the electricity grid in Texas is massively outdated and not weatherproofed for these kinds of environmental changes at all.
Lots of gas pipes cracked and depressurised over the course the recent giant storm. I don’t think it helped everyone as a result, considering the number of people who do have furnaces who couldn’t even use them because of a lack of power and the gas pressure being too low because a bunch of pressurisation stations also were shut down. Isn’t it great how everything is incredibly interdependent?
@@danielwhyatt3278 It wasn’t just Texas that wasn’t winter-proofed, it was just the most obvious place. Lots of surrounding territory that had pipes normally below the frost line suddenly above it because it was so cold.
6:57 - That's not an induction stove... That's obviously a highlight stove FFS!
I got bitten by that one. Back when I was searching for an apartment, I asked the management company if they had induction ranges, and they said yes. They did not.
@@EvanBoyar Most people don't know the difference. Even most realtors. And that is the problem preventing people fro letting go of their gas cooking and the video didn't do a good job educating people on the differences in electric vs induction. They're both electric, but completely different.
Is the highlight stove worse?
@@PopulotusBoogiedown They are literally just a standard coil with a glass plate over the top with LEDs to show if the burner is hot. My parents got fooled by one of these fakes... the salesperson even said that it was an induction cooker... by the time they became aware months later that they had been duped, it was too late to return it (and I think that my mom was too embarrassed to go back to the store)
I wonder how many people like my parents have been duped.
@@FreeManFreeThought it's a good thing for me to be aware of when looking for a place. I still live at my mom's house. Thanks for your advice. But does it function less efficiently or something like that? I don't get the negatives really.
6:45 this is clearly a message from the electromagnetic field industry lobby.
You should try out an induction stove. Great control and instant heat. A typical unit will output 1500 W which is no joke.
How could you forget that most electricity in the US is produced with "natural" gas?
EVERYONE forgets or does not know this... but they call themselves "educated".
The point is more time passes and more electricity production is switched to renewables. But you can't produce fossil fuels with renewables
Their scope was for a consumer product even though they didn't show an actual induction stove. Plus they didn't preface this scope with the caveat of electrical supply.
How could you forget that the world aint the US ?
The situation with gas stoves seems to be different in each country: for example, here in Spain, the majority of stoves already are electric, although a lot of gas ones continue operating
I think its the same in all of eu maybe there is some regulation about it ?
In my country, South Africa, we cannot rely on electricity to be provided on a constant/regular basis so the only way to ensure I get to eat dinner is to have gas.
I wish we only had gas in America. I hate electric ovens
Just watched an 8 minute video about stoves thinking it was going to be some sort of joke
Lmao
Remember - that the power companies have to turn water into steam somehow - and there's no guarantee that their method of providing electricity to your stove is any "greener" than a natural gas stove.
True-but an electric hob isn't venting into your home; and the same principle applies in reverse, in that the utility can hybridize and/or add renewable sources, whereas a stovetop cannot (unless completely replaced.)
Also you can pipe natural gas to a power plant. You have to use trains to move coal which also generates a ton of CO2 just getting it there for example from the coal mines in South Dakota to other states in my case Texas to the plants that still use coal.
When you only talk about cons, you're pushing your preconceived notions
I prefer my induction range. I'd get rid of my furnace and go all electric, but don't want to pay for a new one yet.
It would probably be better to wait until it breaks, then put solar panels simply for the benefit of not paying electricity bill after 5-7 years.
And pay you will. Gas heat is so much cheaper than electric. First thing I did when I bought my house was rip out the electric hot water heater and electric heat pump. F both those money pits. My gas bill is a fraction what my electric bill was that first winter in the new home before I was able to remodel.
@@HomestarAK Properly weathered Solar or wind in your backyard would be even cheaper after you pay off the 5-7 year loan.
@@HomestarAK a resistive water heater is gonna cost more than gas, but a heat pump (if it really was) should have about the same running costs as gas. Given gas is usually 2-5x cheaper depending on the locale, while heat pumps move 3-5x the energy they pull from the wall. That cancels out.
The problem with electric cooking is the messaging. When people think electric, they think that metal stove that takes forever to heat up. Like the video says, electric induction is way better (you can get your cookware up to temperature basically instantaneously), it's just an issue of getting the word out - and the problem that phasing gas out is something that would take decades without financial incentives. People rarely replace their stove before it's broken past the point of repair, especially in rentals.
and cost. induction stoves are great... but expensive
instantaneously? Do they even exist?
@Aria Casteal you have never worked with a proper induktion stove than yes the coil ones are absolutely horrible.
@@iamdmc they're like 300$ on amazon.
The problem is that you have to replace a few pots and pans
Exactly, which is why those communities were trying to pass those ordinances, to prevent lock-in.
I'm glad you brought up the electric top stoves being more expensive.
That's gonna be the real issues
Rapidly declining in price each year. IKEA sells many induction models and they're currently the cheapest option for a reputable brand (Frigidare manufactures their appliances) Amazon is also being flooded with lots of cheap options which I assume are being made in China. I installed a cheap 2 burner 240V induction cooktop from Amazon in a house I built and the thing has been amazing. It was under $200.
@@taylorlightfoot it's def getting better!
@@taylorlightfoot gas is cheaper than electricity
I recently graduated from Michigan State University. Lived in an 100 year old apartment. Had a stove pre 1990 cuz it used pilot lights for the burners. Best stove ever. Monthly gas bill was $15 on top of my $450 rent. I’m very pleased with gas ranges.
Great video, but I feel like it's too focused in the US. So much so that I couldn't really relate, for instance, here in Brazil (at least for me and many others) it's very rare to non-existent for a house to have some sort of pipe line for gas specifically. In order to use our stoves we have to order directly for gas cylinders, of which aren't even natural gas, we mostly use lpg's or Liquefied petroleum gas which is a problem in it on itself. In short, I liked the video but it focuses on some problems of which are focused in one country, which misses the broader narrative. Anyway that's what I feel.
gas is what saved texas from freezing, its the best fuel to use
In the UK here and I agree. While the older generation here often favours gas hobs, induction are becoming more popular. The real issue with gas here is central heating - most run on gas. Rural areas oil-fired heating covers the lack of pipelines, but in large villages, towns and cities, gas central heating is the modern norm. There's huge industries around fitting and maintaining it. I don't even know off the top of my head what a good alternative would be. It's hugely ingrained to be the default.
It’s because it isn’t a huge problem to anyone but the U.S. As they kind of alluded to, Natural Gas isn’t really a problem, it’s the poor care of the facilities that are the problem. Natural gas itself has lower emission rates than propane which is considered one of the cleanest burning fuels, so it isn’t exactly a huge crisis. But America’s ineptitude of managing emission rates has made it so that it has to be addressed in a RUclips video lol
The pipe is only a small part of the problem. As they pointed out, there are escaping emissions from fossil fuel infrastructure in general, which also produced your LPG. On the other hand, direct emissions of LPG from leaks at your home or incomplete combustion are less problematic than methane since propane's global warming potential is around 5 instead of 80+. On the gripping hand, you're still putting out noxious products into your home from burning gas.
Totally agree on being too US centered. In Iran, for example, there are huge gas reserves, and few powerful power plants (esp. nuclear). Not to mention, the big load the electrical grid gets because of air conditioning. So, the gas stoves is the obvious choice. No campaign or lobbying needed!
Cooking without gas (ie. with flame) doesn't feel the same. I swear it makes a difference to the food!
You are limited to the cookware you can use with induction stoves. I like my gas for many things.
Can’t roast corn on induction
@@boygenius538_8 Can't roast marshmallows to make s'mores with electrical stoves when it's raining outside either.
From my personal experience I like the electric and induction tops more than gas once I got used to them but that's the annoying part, they cook everything a bit different. (plus new pans for induction)
Can't get a wok hot on the sides with electric or induction.
@@filonin2 There are special table-top induction stoves made just for woks, though they are very much a niche product (at least in the west).
I live in Texas and lost electricity for several days due to the ice storm of early 2021, my gas stove/oven made life much better than it would have been with an electric stove that wouldn't have worked to help feed and warm my family!
Yup. Went through Ike with 2 weeks no electricity. 3 days during Harvey followed by no cell signal/cable/internet for a month. 3 Days no power with Feb's storm. Had hot water all times thanks to gas water heater. And you can run a generator off your natuaral gas line. Not putting my eggs all in one basket. And definitely not our grid.
For people that live rurally, gas is an absolute necessity. Too often they are the last to have their electricity restored after bad weather.
why not be the change you want to see and talk about induction vs resistance stoves?
100/100. Framing this as a global warming issue really feels like nobody at the Verge, uh, cooks.
Because that's not how narcissists control others.
Absolutely, they don't even know what they're talking about when they have a video clip of a non induction cooktop while they're speaking about induction cooktops....
one thing that induction cooking top still can't do reliably: woks. You need to buy separate wok adapters or buy induction stove that have the rounded base for wok, except it's very rarely found on most induction stoves or if you find one, you'll lose one top that can only be used for woks when you want to use all of the tops. Sometimes for households that very often use woks, gas stove is still the primary choice
I’ve seen induction wok stoves (it’s a concave pit) and younger millennial and Gen z up and coming cooks and chefs swear by induction and not gas
@@brutustantheiii8477 You can only use the wok induction stove for woks... it's not multi use like a gas stove. So how much extra mining and carbon do you want to burn just to get an induction wok?
BBC Food: And that's how you make egg fried rice with induction stove...
Where your MSG?!
HAIYAA!
I live in the American South on the coast. Hurricane season knocks out our power yearly, so having a gas stove is far better than having an electric stove here.
Here on the west coast we have earthquakes... and we all saw what gas explosions can do after an earthquake a few years ago in Christchurch NZ. There's a lot of unease around gas among those who pay attention to these sorts of things (not all the concerns are environmental), but governments are too invested in gas to admit that...
@@FreeManFreeThought Considering your location, I completely understand why you are more partial towards electric stoves. I think it should be based on location as each jurisdiction has their own reasoning for wanting one versus the other.
@@FreeManFreeThought don’t forget about the Edison Malibu canyon fires 🤪
The use of electricity to generate heat is highly inefficient from the perspective of thermodynamics. If the electric grid still rely on fossil fuels, I don't see the advantages of the switch.
Exactly. In my country, 80% electricity is from coal. So really don't see the point in changing
Tbh as a chef I love working with fire, its raw and it's great to regulate the temperature visually but I have this induction cooktop cause it's so efficient and boiling water hardly takes minutes.
… how long does it take you to boil water over a flame? Just made some hard boiled eggs this morning and don’t recall it taking more than “minutes.”
Electricity is way too expensive in my area to even consider making the switch.
5:47 “hookups” your welcome
I just remembered the line from friends in S5 E9 when ross says " was i talking about gas whole time "
A very interesting topic, glad you made a video on it.
Speaking of kitchens, another thing that I've come across recently is the use of non stick pans.I'm not going to purchase them anymore and use stuff that I don't have to trow out every year or two.
You know non-stick pans require maintenance to stay non-stick, yeah?
Did you not read the manual that came with them?
You can get nonstick that will last 30 years provided you want to fork over one hundred dollars for an item.
"Well it better be self cleanin' because I think I'm gonna vomit. " - Hank Hill
Induction Stoves should try RGB
After using gas for years, ceramic stove tops can be frustrating to use. But induction is absolutely amazing. If you are thinking about buying one, make sure it is powerful (there are huge differences). The boost mode on my Miele allows me to bring water to boil quicker than my trusty electric kettle. My pan gets hot really quick as well. Switching to induction was a quality of live update. Bare in mind that some of the pots don’t work with induction (e.g. copper or aluminum).
P.S.
In the area where we live we don’t have issues with power supply
I would like to see a quantifiable range of how much methane is estimated to be leaked through processing equipment every year. I think that number could be very helpful in determining the total energy losses and pollution with using Nat gas. Assuming that you are on a nat gas power grid it is very hard to determine that an induction stove is more cost effective or less pollutive. I like the thought of reducing our intake of natural gas but we need more measures than assumptions to push away from it. Great research so far, I would love to see further in depth research about this.
There's already plenty of research out there on this. The video mentioned work from EDF. Boston University has also published research on leaks as, as have others. An average value is about 9% of methane in the system leaks, and considering it's 80* as bad as CO2, that's 9%*80 CO2equivalent + 91%*1 CO2e (assuming perfect combustion, which ain't gonna happen) = 8.1 CO2e for a given amount of gas. End to end efficiency of the power grid varies by region and fuel mix, but for places where it's well maintained and primarily natural gas fired, it's around 40%, meaning 2.4 times as much methane must be burned to get the same amount of energy to the home in kW as gas. So that's 2.4 CO2e (assuming perfect combustion). Right there, electric wins, never mind that you can change how you make electricity later, or that a lot of gas equipment is only about 80% efficiency; modern furnaces and tankless water heaters can up to 95% or so, but standard water heaters are as low as 67%. Basic electric efficiency is at essentially 100% on the other hand, yet 300%+ efficiency is achievable with heat pumps (aka air conditioners): ruclips.net/video/7J52mDjZzto/видео.html In the end it boils down to a few things: awareness of options, resistance to change, artificially low prices for fossil fuels (subsidies, externalities), and short-term thinking.
@@belg4mit very well put, I wasn't aware of all of the additional research on methane leakage. Thanks for the link, I'm happy to look more into it !
"Natural" gas has such good branding, Induction stoves will need a catchier name to take off.
I renovated my kitchen a couple of years ago and decided to go with an induction stove. It’s one of the best decisions I made. I would recommend them to anybody.
even those of us in 3rd world countries?
This is exactly what we did, when our stove top died last year. Best purchase in years!
Something needs to be done about these type of presenters using: “research/studies say” instead of citing and giving authors proper recognition!
I have an electric range, but it's not induction. I'm the north east, most peoples home are heated by 'natural gas because it is cheaper. It's it only cheaper because of subsidies? Would it actually be cheaper to combo a geothermal/heat pump? If gas is only cheaper due to subsidies, that needs to stop.
Edit, the other thing in consideration is what kind of load the grid can take.
Natural Gas isn't subsidized like coal. Also 100% of the energy in natural gas goes directly to heat. Unlike electric appliances that a lot of energy is lost in the conversion prosses
@@Stephan905There are subsidies for a ll sorts of fossil fuels, not to mention the externalities. And no, not 100% of the gas energy goes to heat, normal water heaters are 67%, normal furnaces are 80%. You can get into the mid 90s with gas but that's it. Electric starts at 100% and goes to 300%+ with heat pumps. Fossil fuel generation of electricity is around 40% efficient end-to-end, so a 300% efficient heat pump (like any modern heat pump water heater) with fossil fuel-backed electricity gets you 3*0.4=120% efficient. Things get even better if you've got green power, and since an electric system doesn't care what the source is, you can green the grid over time/install solar panels on your home later.
@@belg4mit You're correct. Gas is less than 100% efficient. Resistive heating is 100% efficient and heat pumps have COP's in excess of 300%
Induction stoves are really nice... Until they break and you get your repair bill
It doesn’t help that when you start talking about induction stoves you show a stove that is NOT induction. 🤦🏻♂️ smh 7:01
Okay. A bit off topic, but that man has the coolest name ever!
Grew up with a gas stove and enjoyed it. When I moved and got an electric oven I was shocked how quickly it got hot - way faster than my old gas stove. It didn't heat as evenly in my t-fal pans, but my heavy duty vollrath pans are thick enough they heat evenly. Cast iron heats up twice as fast. I thought we were going to replace it with a gas line and gas stove in the next few years, but I'll be upgrading to another electric with convection.
Natural gas is much less expensive than electricity as a heating fuel in California. Here in Northern California it costs me 4X as much to run an electric kitchen and central heating instead of gas. In fact, 34% of our electricity is generated by burning natural gas.
I don't care about the gas stove, How will I heat my house in the winter without gas?
With new construction, it should be incentivize to use Heat pumps instead of air conditioners.
A heat pump could cover a majority of the house heating, and that would save more gas than any cooking range ban.
That mostly applies to the west.
Here we love our stoves.
You needs to make another vedio to explain why induction stove are more efficient and powerful? This conflicts with my experience eating hotpot at home using 1500W portable induction burner. And induction burners are less reliable. It's easier to break.
They are more effient because with induction the heat isnt transferred through hot air but directly through magnetic fields. This reduces waste energy. Your experience with 1500w cooktops, comes from the difference in rated power (what is on the label) and used power(what is actually needs to heat your hotpot)
You could also just Google "induction stove efficiency", but in short: It's more efficient because the heat is induced in the pan itself, so you don't lose a load to the air around the stove.
How is it easier to break? An induction stove is essentially just a giant coil of wire to make an electromagnet.
@@belg4mit he buys cheap countertop stoves instead of the expensive built-in kind that runs off 220 instead of 110.
Since I've started using induction cookers I've never wanted to go back.
In the UK, as well as gas stoves, I would imagine that gas boilers would be an issue. Are there efficient electric boilers?
My electric water boiler (50l) takes 20 minutes to heat, it is enough for really warm shower.
Heating of water and homes is being replaced with Heat Pumps. They're more efficient than gas.
@@majdavojnikovic We would need one for central heating not just a shower. Plus we have 4 inpatient people in our house, so a 20 minute wait is not acceptable.
@@SamiCoopers heating house with electricity is cheapest with those relatively new airco-type heaters, I don't know the name, and there are small waterheaters that heat water as it flows through them. That is considered here cheapest variants for electricity.
In my country there is almost no natural gas grid, so it is central heating or heating with electricity in the buildings.
@@majdavojnikovic the airco-type heaters are called heat pumps, as Taylor mentioned.
I have never had a good electric stove. I have hated all of the electric stoves I have ever had. Always too cold or too hot.
My family doesn’t have a gas stove, but we do have a natural gas furnace, water heater, and outdoor grill. As far as I can tell, the only advantage to gas is that it’s always available even in the event of a power outage. For example, the gas water heater doesn’t need electricity to operate, so we always have hot water available even without electricity. I know a gas furnace doesn’t work without electricity, but I’m not sure if gas stoves and ovens use electricity. I’d like to minimize my family’s dependence on fossil fuels, but that’s something we just simply can’t afford to do.
Gas ovens need electricity because they are ovens, but gas stoves don’t need electricity. They only use electricity as a starter in most cases, so as long as you have a lighter, you can just turn the gas up on the stove and then light it with your lighter.
Usually only older or inefficient water heaters work without electricity due to a permanent pilot light (which is pretty wasteful). Some gas ranges use piezo lighters, but most seem to be electric. You could try to light them with a match, but that''s strongly discouraged and people often get hurt doing so.
If they ban gas stoves because they are "unhealthy", you think these do-gooders will leave it at that? Nope. When the gas stoves are banned, the gas hot water heaters and gas furnaces will be right behind them. You really want to pay to replace your furnace and hot water heater because someone from the government is there to help you?
People in the comments don't seem to know that induction and electric cooktops are different...
A lot of people don’t get it unfortunately
Exactly how gas wins.
@@M69392 The gas industry thrives on misinformation and public ignorance.
All lobbies do nowadays
Honestly, I would love for my parents to buy electric stove but because it’s not available in our province here in the Philippines, it’s impossible.
3:00 he talks like Terrance and Phillip, and he talks about Methane, T&P talk a lot of Methane as well... 🤔
Yeah you live in a place where it snows up to 50 times a year and you're often snowed in and the power goes out You know you'll Be very thankful for that gas stove I know my family was when our power went out this year
If we had underground power and internet cables in this country we would lose power as much.
@@jonny777bike mamamamama
I recently purchased a new convection glass top stove to replace the old coil top stove in my kitchen. I really wanted to get an induction stove but I discovered there are none available in the 24 inch stove size unfortunately (they are only available for 30 inch stove sizes).
They're available in plenty of other sizes, you just have to look around.
@@RBuckminsterFuller Not useful to me if the only size stove that can fit in my kitchen is the 24 inch size.
I gotta say, the natural gas in the kitchen stove hardly make any impact on the gas bill. One appliance that makes the most impact is the water heater. When I switched from tank natural gas to tankless electric water heater, it cut the gas bill by $80 a month on that alone. Despite kitchen gas stove, my monthly gas bill is around $2 a month, that's mainly a connection fee than consumption.
Well I guess it depends on how your home is heated. From my understanding it is common to heat houses with NG, then it is also convenient to connect the stove to the same system. However, if the house is heated by other means then it is quite unnecessary with the gas stove.
Not sure what the statistics are in Europe, but here in the Nordics I have never in my lifetime seen a gas stove in a home.
There are some in apartment buildings where the old network of "stadsgas" still exists. A friend lived in an apartment built in maybe the 1930s where he had a gas stove, that's the only person I have ever seen have it.
Yeah, I thought this was an April Fool's joke. I have never seen a gas stove in my life and thought they went extinct in the 1950s or something.
Here in Czech Republic, gas stoves are nearly extinct. To my knowledge, the vast majority of all new homes use induction. I have seen about two to four gas stoves in my lifetime (19 yo).
@@vlachjn gas in high end homes is still used gas heats up more evenly
I grew up in a home heated with gas, water heated by gas, stove and oven run on gas. They’re very common in the colder parts of North America.
Progressives: Ideas so good they are mandatory.
I'm quite sure the gas we use for our stoves here in Brazil are a mix of propane and butane.
Unreliable power connection: I'm about to destroy this video's whole career
Seems to me, switching to electricity is another way to just shut someone down if they don't behave.
Bingo!
I smell gas on walks in the same places along the route. They never fix them, for years and years.
Need a lighter?
So, to stop new construction from having gas, what do you suggest for furnaces. Are gas furnaces the better option? I have gas to the furnace but electric stove.
Heat pumps. In a mild climate like Berkley, CA they already make a lot of sense, which is why they're going with a ban on new gas connections.
As someone who has recently started cooking at home I find my older electric stove difficult to control in some cases. I got portable induction unit to try. My portable unit has a loud fan. Presumably the stove units don’t. Unfortunately I mostly use non-stick cookware that won’t work with induction. If I can find good non-stick induction compatible cookware my next stove may well be induction.
You want black steel, it's what chefs use in commercial kitchens instead of Teflon and far more durable www.surlatable.com/bk-black-steel-skillets/PRO-5283494.html
All of IKEA's pans are induction capable if you want a cheap option. Many other brands sell induction capable sets too.
Go green, Go nuclear !
Ah yes, nuclear powered stove
@@abdulazis400 Fallout
Well, as long as you have a reliable consistent nuclear power plant generation, the electric stove should be truly clean and reliable.
How about no,we dont need nuclear
@@UnipornFrumm you spend to much time waching the Flintstones...
I’ve never used an induction stove but traditional ones compared to gas are awful. Nice to hear there is an alternative to gas because I live in a city that has banned gas for new builds.
I used both induction and traditional (electric) stoves and induction stoves are so much better! Much faster to heat and easier to control. The disadvantage is you need specific cookware.
@@zuzinap Thanks for the story. I have an Instant Pot and if I understand correctly, it uses induction. If my whole stove worked like that, I would be happy.
lol at playing videos of traditional glass top electric ranges while discussing induction cooking
7:01 Why they show electric range instead of induction?
This is a video, so they needed something visual and induction cooktops don't look like anything is happening. Not great, but not the worst either.
Also, I wonder how much induction cooktop stock footage there is. Certainly less than how much there is for traditional electric cooktops.
Cool stuff!
it's actually hot
I’m all for renewable energy but the non-fire stovetops CANNOT give the authentic cooking styles and flavors. Show me the tech for a non-gas open flame.
This
Most of western Canada uses gas to heat their homes because electricity is expensive and is often generated from gas generators anyways.
Leaks? Just wait until you hear about blowdowns where an entire pipe is vented into the atmosphere. Large pipes + high pressure + frequent blowdowns = A LOT of vented methane.
I've got a new induction hob and it is the best hob I've ever had, and I used to hate induction hobs
@@brett4264 stove
Hob is the cooktop
Up here in Canada, it's highly unlikely that people will stop using natural gas - most homes are heated with it! So, that begs the question, what's the alternative to heating with natural gas that's cost-effective? It needs to be reliable too, in the event the power goes out as it did in Texas earlier this year.
Hi, in that case an electric system is also an alternative in the form of heat pumps; the implementation is costly but it is definitively a viable option.
The short answer is that there is no electric alternative to heating that will work when there's a power outage. But how much heating is needed in the case of a power outage varies a lot on the location of the outage. In Texas, they are used to very few days (if any) of freezing temperatures each year. Many houses don't have even have fire places and they have generally poorer housing insulation compared to much more northern areas so heat escapes more quickly too.
But, the massive failure in Texas was a perfect storm of a lot of different factors including temperatures -25F (-15C) below average and a power grid woefully under prepared for it.
A lot of the Texas outage is explained pretty well here: ruclips.net/video/08mwXICY4JM/видео.html
@@Jorge-cl1pr heat pumps are extremely inefficient. Electric heaters are an option, but they consume far too much electricity to keep up with the heating demands of most of Canada. Electric heating is popular in regions like the Okanagan where winters are mild, but in other areas where temperatures of -30 or below are common it would be incredibly wasteful to consume that much electricity. And keep in mind much of our electricity production is also very harmful to the environment. We have a long way to go in order to turn electricity into an eco-friendly replacement for gas.
@@prairiepanda What do you mean with extremely inefficient? The efficiency of heat pumps, like an air conditioned system, is defined by the so called coefficient of performance (or COP) this of course will vary depending on the temperature difference between inside and outside, but in cooler places, for example Canada, this efficiency will be well over what a gas furnace can achieve. Plus you can also use the heat pump as an AC system if you prefer.
Exactly we need alternatives for heating up home, I would never rely solely on Electricity. This video is just pushing the green narrative.
Shouldn't the leaks be pretty easy to keep track of? Track how much gas is going in and how much is going out. If those numbers are not the same, you have a leak.
@Tim Within the pipes it's a liquid so you can count liters or as they usually do around here, cubic metres . And you can monitor the pressure of course.
when the video is uploaded on april 1 so you expect it to be an april fool video...
Here in Greece even we have the most expensive electricity in Europe for the last 30 years 99% of homes have electric induction stoves.
What polutes more? my gas hub, or the coal/oil/gas (89% of US power) burnt to power the induction hob?
Also: induction requires you to use ferrous pans and pots, so unless you have cast iron or stainless steel, you'll have to buy new, more expensive (10x!) indction rdy pans and pots
I can't think of a single household here in Germany that still uses gas stoves. Pretty much everyone in my region (rural and city) uses electric stoves only.
Living in Colorado, I cannot simply depend on electricity to power me through the winter. I have electric outages all the time in my pretty urban area too.
Hey what about Methane Gas users. Its freshly decomposed plant matter and creates super nutrient rich fertilizer and can could be done yourself on a personal home use scale, removing the transportation issues entirely.
Cool ill take a dump right here
There is also sewage and farm animals as a source for methane. And wouldn’t methane from renewable sources make it carbon neutral?
@@paulwestwood4417 as far as I know only cows create methane, no other animals, and you only need a little bit to get the reaction process started. Carbon neutral, not sure. Methane (CH4) is a natural gas that is renewable containing 1 carbon atom and 4 hydrogen atoms, typically though its propane (C3H8) that is in the gas lines in homes because of its cheep/cost saving BTUs.
@@Blazah99 In general, decomposition of organic matter releases methane. This is why you see flares operating next to landfills (because the CO2 byproduct from flaring is a less potent greenhouse gas than CH4, in addition to being less prone to exploding). People harp on cows because there are so many of them in the US, so they result in the lion's share of animal-produced methane. Other animals make it too. Heck, even you do (both when you flatulate and when what you send down the toilet decomposes at the sewer processing plant).
@@RossMcLendon You maybe right. You might be able to use anything but to get any result in a timely manner and in large enough amounts you do need cow manure. From what i've been informed you use cow manure to create/start the process because the bacteria in it eats the sugars of the broken down plant matter and creates the methane methane faster than anything else that i am aware of.
Not all cookware works with induction stoves either, so the transition takes a lot more conscious effort, and also investment, especially if you rent or your cooking implements are old passed down things. We have to make green choices more accessible to everyone to really see more meaningful changes happen on a worldwide scale.
Now that’s how you sell a induction stove
There's a landfill in Washington state that is collecting methane sustainably. Not enough to support all the homes using it, but to help. I love my induction stove, but use gas for outdoor cooking and a fireplace, so I know I'm part of the problem.
If natural gas is replaced by electricity in cooking, and powering homes in general, you still have to consider that the electricity you are using is being produced from natural gas, so you really aren't solving the problem.
Lol 😂
Solar off Grid + induction stove + a Home outside city = Life on Mars..😛
How do these people think that 90% of electricity is made??? I would also like to see how much my electric bill was in Maine trying to heat with electricity! I can't even imagine!
Wow....that is nice...
So tell me again how do we power the electric stove? 😕
that would need to be done with electricity from windmills & solar roofs otherwise the entire environment argument doesn't make sense.
I live in Sri Lanka, there are lots of power cuts. So induction is not an option
I got into the habit of tunring off the valve to the stove EACH TIME I finished using it. It was in the lower right cabinet and EASY to DO!!!!