Sh!t happens, especially on a novices track day. Did something similar myself on my first one (how else is anyone supposed to find the limit of their own ability if you don’t exceed it occasionally)? Nicely avoided though :). No point ploughing on and hoping to miss ‘em.
If your gonna push cars. Your gonna crash cars. Just the way it goes. Although this was mostly poor line choice an too much speed. So put it down to lack of experience. It’s happenes or has happened to us all
Autocross is a great way to push your car in an environment where consequences are lower. Won't understand exactly how your car is going to react at high speeds but you get a damn good feel for under/oversteer, corner lines, entry speed, how to recover from too much speed info a corner, etc. My local site often hits 60-70mph so it's not too far off from track cornering speeds, just gotta brake a bit more on track than you would in the cones!
This is a fallacy. If you push tires beyond their limit by a small margin, you feel that grip is reduced. Instead of a crash, you listen to the tires and back off slightly to get back to their maximum. Some people don’t have the understanding to operate at this level but an educated driver can and usually does reach and identify the limit without exceeding it.
@sportbikejesus6297 Key words here : "novice track day" and "limit of their own ability", not "educated driver", nor any mention of the limit of the tyres. Your statement may be true (except for the opening conjecture) but not relevant to this clip or my comment.
A common place for novices binning it at Oulton. Turn in too early, miss the apex too to add to the challenge and you come out wide and end up either left of right barrier often. Text book.
Also the worst track combo to buy: south korean Junk on cheap chinese tyres! Hyundai coupe has next to zero structural rigidity and its got a heavy front end due to the V6 engine (Mitsubishi sourced as the south koreans did not have a clue how to build an engine so just brought Japanese OEM ones instead) placed in front of the front axle that causes crazy understeer. So when the driver over sped the corner he got crazy lift off oversteer and because the hyundai coupe has the structural rigidity of wet toilet paper was uncontrollable unless you are a professional driver. TL;DR buy a stiff Japanese car on sport tyres and not south korean junk deathtraps for trackdays
@@Clubman99 exactly that with how fast he was going changed his trajectory, and he ended up having to correct it, but he over corrected the under steer while already over shooting the trajectory🤙🏽
@@gigi9467 try to brake harder in a straighter line and change your angle to get a decent line through the corner ((you’ll miss the apex)) but you won’t end up over shooting on corner exit, but it was too late for this dude.
Happens to all of us. The real mistake is trying to save it. If you dip 2 off, straighten the wheel and ride it out. No good will come from trying to correct it.
That's a tricky corner, off camber. I went there the other day on my first track day outing, ended up on the rumble strip there, which thankfully was as much warning as needed, I changed my speed for the rest of the day. That day there were several offs too many to count and a coupe of fires, red flag day!
@@E4RLIES Shit ..yes sadly my cameras never recorded any track action I would have recorded your incident,....sorry to see the flames and you running What a day many cars smashed ..
Everyone is mentioning overcorrecting, but I think the biggest factor was going from the low traction grass back onto the tarmac swinging the car back violently. It was a chain of events, but I think the novice driver was unlucky to have overcorrected in a changing traction situation. But yes, a good driver would have taken that into account.
It was all salvageable, even after going in that fast and deep. The damage was done trying to power through it on the run off. Sad to see people learn that lesson the hard way!
This also happens when you aquaplane and try to steer the car. You go from low or no grip for the steering wheels to suddenly back on high grip and the car snaps away from you. It's easy to say in hindsight but if he just kept the wheel relatively straight and ran along the grass for a little then re-joined slowly he would have been fine. Look at the angle of the front wheels as they re-join the tarmac. They are at a mad slip angle, the fronts then grip and the car snaps around into oversteer.
@@chrishorton3501 Correct! Look how late he was to take out the countersteer. all the way at :25 he was still fully turned left, even though he was heading back across the tarmac. Expe$ive le$$on.
In addition to everything already (correctly) said about entry speed and line, I'd imagine it was fitted with mid range mainstream tyres. Most Hyundai Coupes I've seen in real life have cheap Chinese budget brand rubber on... - Jinyu - Arrowspeed - Haida - P609 I it looked like the rubber was very quick to break traction in the video.
lol junk south korean car plus using cheapest chinese tyre to pass MOT = instant ditch finder, I dont blame the owner for own ignorance racing a deathtrap hyundai
Could have been dangerous side on crash like that, not much crumple zone. MSVT usually put brake boards, cones down for the turn-in and apex. If you're a novice better off having an instructor for the day...I did my time at PEC on their low friction track and course. Had an excellent instructor telling me what do and why and where I was going wrong. After that I thought no point without an instructor...
First thing to learn as a novice (which the driver of the Hyundai most definitely is) is to simply cut your losses. Don't quite get on the brakes early or hard enough and miss the apex? Just bail out and keep the car straight and under control off the track, don't keep the foot buried and hope that just powering out will fix your mistake, have to own it and learn from it for the next lap. Better to lose a lap than lose the car by putting it into the fence.
Back wheel on the grass and the downhill making the car go light at the same time, not the first or last to end up in the armco at Lodge under the same circumstances.
the exact same thing happened to me (from the camera mans perspective ) at that very corner, only it was a scooby and instead of getting a tank slapper and shooting off to the left, they just carried on spinning right and shot straight across in front of me.
That corner is notoriously deceptive but as soon as I saw his turn in point I knew what was coming. He made it round the previous corner though which also seems to catch a fair amount of people out.
Personally speaking I take the risk; cars can generally be repaired. Although you cannot claim on normal car insurance, trackday specialist cover is available but you have to cause a large amount of damage to make a claim worthwhile
I've never driven on a race track. My wife is giving me a track day for my birthday prezzie driving 3 Aston Martins (James Bond Triple Drive Experience). My nearest venues are Oulton Park and Three Sisters. Can anyone tell me which one I should choose?
Without a doubt Oulton Park! Three sister is primarily a karting circuit, narrow and twisty, you will have a blast at Oulton👍🏼👍🏼 (Always watch out for Hyundais though 😉)
Thats something i never got with some people, why is it so wrong to just take the corner a little too slow instead of a little too fast, i guess "when in doubt just slow down to a safe speed to make the corner" isnt a catchy qoute
Should have braked when he went four wheels off and help the car come to a stop when it hit the pavement; that way it wouldn't of had the momentum to hit the wall.
Just because you've paid a hundred quid for a track day it doesn't make you a racing driver.....a few sighting laps first to get your bearings then start to press that pedal within your limits...slower in hit the apex and fire it out...simples...good job he wasn't at Copice at Donningron or he would of been through the fence...sideways 😉
No I was the nob behind the wheel gear nob was also ok 👌🏼 I was frustrated waitin for Hyundai man to progress so I was flapping my hand about sarcastically 👋🏼
Yes, it's a tricky bugger that one, deceptive turn in and off camber and then you're onto grass. You really need to turn in late and trail brake around it to be safe. Likewise, I've binned It so many time on that corner in iRacing.
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Going for a cheeky extra lap as you know the track will be red flagged in a few seconds time!
Has to be done👌🏼😁
Looks like he needs the extra seat time!
Overcorrected me thinks
over corrected waaaaaaaay to much
And a lil bit of under steer 🤏🏼
Correct you are
Corrected to barier
And also came into the corner to fast, and exited too slow, causing understeer
That little sound when he hits the barrier. He felt that for days
Sh!t happens, especially on a novices track day. Did something similar myself on my first one (how else is anyone supposed to find the limit of their own ability if you don’t exceed it occasionally)? Nicely avoided though :). No point ploughing on and hoping to miss ‘em.
If your gonna push cars. Your gonna crash cars. Just the way it goes. Although this was mostly poor line choice an too much speed. So put it down to lack of experience. It’s happenes or has happened to us all
Autocross is a great way to push your car in an environment where consequences are lower. Won't understand exactly how your car is going to react at high speeds but you get a damn good feel for under/oversteer, corner lines, entry speed, how to recover from too much speed info a corner, etc. My local site often hits 60-70mph so it's not too far off from track cornering speeds, just gotta brake a bit more on track than you would in the cones!
It was just a hyundai wont be expenssive to fix
This is a fallacy. If you push tires beyond their limit by a small margin, you feel that grip is reduced. Instead of a crash, you listen to the tires and back off slightly to get back to their maximum.
Some people don’t have the understanding to operate at this level but an educated driver can and usually does reach and identify the limit without exceeding it.
@sportbikejesus6297 Key words here : "novice track day" and "limit of their own ability", not "educated driver", nor any mention of the limit of the tyres. Your statement may be true (except for the opening conjecture) but not relevant to this clip or my comment.
A common place for novices binning it at Oulton. Turn in too early, miss the apex too to add to the challenge and you come out wide and end up either left of right barrier often. Text book.
Yes spot on, just glad I didn’t get sucked into it!
Also the worst track combo to buy: south korean Junk on cheap chinese tyres! Hyundai coupe has next to zero structural rigidity and its got a heavy front end due to the V6 engine (Mitsubishi sourced as the south koreans did not have a clue how to build an engine so just brought Japanese OEM ones instead) placed in front of the front axle that causes crazy understeer. So when the driver over sped the corner he got crazy lift off oversteer and because the hyundai coupe has the structural rigidity of wet toilet paper was uncontrollable unless you are a professional driver.
TL;DR buy a stiff Japanese car on sport tyres and not south korean junk deathtraps for trackdays
For people wondering what exactly happened, that’s what happens when you enter too fast and still try to make the apex
So if u do enter the lap to fast what are you suppose to do to not get in
Troublr? Run wide maybe?
He turned in far too early, which meant he ran out of room on the exit. I’ve made the same mistake on the same corner.
@@Clubman99
@@Clubman99 exactly that with how fast he was going changed his trajectory, and he ended up having to correct it, but he over corrected the under steer while already over shooting the trajectory🤙🏽
@@gigi9467 try to brake harder in a straighter line and change your angle to get a decent line through the corner ((you’ll miss the apex)) but you won’t end up over shooting on corner exit, but it was too late for this dude.
As always, a lotta experts here......
Yep but hey at least they're not people that think that we should all be given stunt driving tickets those people in other words
It’s not rocket science to know what went wrong especially if you’ve had track experience
Expertly put. You "Excel" at this... 👍
Bench racing is at an all time high
Anyone with track experience knows exactly what happened and how to prevent it.
That corner is a tricky bastard. Decreasing radius and downhill after the apex. Have sent many a digital car into that same barrier in iracing
My favorite part is at 0:31 when
VTEC KICKED IN YO!
Hyundai coupes dnt have V-TECH what so ever numb nuts..
@@clivebrackstone1896 what is the camera car? And what happens at 0:31?
@@clivebrackstone1896 r/whoosh
turned in too early, missed apex, ran wide on exit
yer got on the power to soon and didn't set the car
Happens to all of us. The real mistake is trying to save it. If you dip 2 off, straighten the wheel and ride it out. No good will come from trying to correct it.
hello anthony do you still driving that old lotus
@@Alpi-yn5jk yep, depending on which one you mean
Just too much speed in turn in really wasn’t that bad just too much speed for the grip
Judging by his lines, it was obvious he's not going to make it through the session.
judging by his ride i made the same assumption
All got to start somewhere, or did you start off perfect?
Captain Crunch
@@ash7990 First off, nobody is perfect. Secondly, when he sucked, he should have gone slow and careful.
@@njgilly20 agree what a gay car lmao
He's done something motor racing drivers strive for... finding the limit of grip. Sadly, he quickly found the limit then carried on through it.
I figured it would be the Tiburon crashing and not the S2000 lol
All went south when he let off the brakes and coasted over the brow, that rear was only going to do one thing :)
Thats the thing with Oulton Park, not much space to make mistakes.
That's a tricky corner, off camber. I went there the other day on my first track day outing, ended up on the rumble strip there, which thankfully was as much warning as needed, I changed my speed for the rest of the day. That day there were several offs too many to count and a coupe of fires, red flag day!
True enough!
The car on fire (if it was a Renault) was a mate of mine 😪🔥🔥🔥
@@E4RLIES gold coloured Renault?
@@popsbubbles1242 yes mate stopped at top of Dentons pretty much destroyed 😫
@@E4RLIES Shit ..yes sadly my cameras never recorded any track action I would have recorded your incident,....sorry to see the flames and you running
What a day many cars smashed ..
Everyone is mentioning overcorrecting, but I think the biggest factor was going from the low traction grass back onto the tarmac swinging the car back violently. It was a chain of events, but I think the novice driver was unlucky to have overcorrected in a changing traction situation. But yes, a good driver would have taken that into account.
Everyone is getting on his ass but it's novice track day for a reason. Mans gotta learn somehow. Be glad it was on a track and not a public road.
Excatamently mate a lot of Gran Turismo bell ends here think they know it all 🙂
It was all salvageable, even after going in that fast and deep. The damage was done trying to power through it on the run off. Sad to see people learn that lesson the hard way!
Weird knowing that this type of car is FWD
Watching this again, it seems like the left rear tyre just gave up, spinning the car
The car is FWD. He didn't try to power through it he lifted off after finally realising he wasn't making it.
This also happens when you aquaplane and try to steer the car. You go from low or no grip for the steering wheels to suddenly back on high grip and the car snaps away from you. It's easy to say in hindsight but if he just kept the wheel relatively straight and ran along the grass for a little then re-joined slowly he would have been fine. Look at the angle of the front wheels as they re-join the tarmac. They are at a mad slip angle, the fronts then grip and the car snaps around into oversteer.
@@B__L wrong, he countersteered to get out of the slide, front wheels hit the tarmac while rears were still off track and it spun left
@@chrishorton3501 Correct! Look how late he was to take out the countersteer. all the way at :25 he was still fully turned left, even though he was heading back across the tarmac. Expe$ive le$$on.
Seen so many get Lodge wrong.
Never race with a Hyundai. They have nothing to lose. It's like borrowing your truck to Whistlindiesel
Yeah def not a race haha just a chance to learn for novices…
Some more novicey than others 🤭🤣
i was worried for a second that you crashed an s2000
In addition to everything already (correctly) said about entry speed and line, I'd imagine it was fitted with mid range mainstream tyres. Most Hyundai Coupes I've seen in real life have cheap Chinese budget brand rubber on...
- Jinyu
- Arrowspeed
- Haida
- P609
I it looked like the rubber was very quick to break traction in the video.
You forgot the ever popular 'Ditchfinders' 😏
not to forget they are front heavy especially the v6 models
lol junk south korean car plus using cheapest chinese tyre to pass MOT = instant ditch finder, I dont blame the owner for own ignorance racing a deathtrap hyundai
Always liked the looks of the Hyundai but they were abysmally slow
Could have been dangerous side on crash like that, not much crumple zone. MSVT usually put brake boards, cones down for the turn-in and apex. If you're a novice better off having an instructor for the day...I did my time at PEC on their low friction track and course. Had an excellent instructor telling me what do and why and where I was going wrong. After that I thought no point without an instructor...
Looked it up on the mot history checker. Looks like he'd just spent quite a lot of money getting it back on the road so it's all the more unfortunate
Nice S2000 man :)
knew it was gonna be the Hyundai the second the video started haha
why
Of course it's a Hyundai coupe with clear rears. People just don't know how to correct oversteer with FF's lol.
Come on then oh genius…
Being a “boring” road driver I have no idea. Also is FF front wheel drive? Genuinely interested.
First thing to learn as a novice (which the driver of the Hyundai most definitely is) is to simply cut your losses.
Don't quite get on the brakes early or hard enough and miss the apex? Just bail out and keep the car straight and under control off the track, don't keep the foot buried and hope that just powering out will fix your mistake, have to own it and learn from it for the next lap. Better to lose a lap than lose the car by putting it into the fence.
Exactly this^
Ouch that hurt I have a Hyundai coupe great little car
Back wheel on the grass and the downhill making the car go light at the same time, not the first or last to end up in the armco at Lodge under the same circumstances.
Funny how this came up while I’m watching BSB testing at Oulton park sat by cascades 😀
Haha I was there today too! 😎
Think those boys are a tad quicker 😆🚀
@@E4RLIES Nice one !
Great day out and nice to see some race bikes in action again 👍
So this is where all the racing experts hang out..
Haha it’s seems so yeah… would be interesting to know how many of these experts have actually been on track though🤔😆
the exact same thing happened to me (from the camera mans perspective ) at that very corner, only it was a scooby and instead of getting a tank slapper and shooting off to the left, they just carried on spinning right and shot straight across in front of me.
Not MOT’d since 2017 so I assume it was a write off.
Dying!! LMFAO!!
This was filmed on Feb 2018 so maybe it was trailered there ?
@@E4RLIES An MOT from 2017 could be valid well into 2018 mate
I'd crash too if somebody put the steering wheel on the wrong side of the car.
Great job to avoid piling into him.
Yeah, it was amazing when he steered slightly to go around him
Could see that coming a mile off - car got what it deserved...
Last curve is very dangerous. You do it very well!
Went in a little hot. Exited a little hot.
looks like he went in way faster than his skiill level allowed for
It like watching a replay on forza motorsport.
Nothing novice about the cam car. I would've been hahahahaha, noob.
Too much engine for him
Wow, totally the wrong line..
cool looking car is it a ferari
Countersteer OR let off the gas..
That corner is notoriously deceptive but as soon as I saw his turn in point I knew what was coming. He made it round the previous corner though which also seems to catch a fair amount of people out.
Oulton is not a track I would recomend to any novices.
I hate this corner on iracing
Took the wrong line, enter the corner too early and over speed
That's another level of overcorrecting right there
That bend catches lots of people out, turns in more sharply than you expect.
KANSAI........No dorifto
Wouldn’t say he’s a novice. Just the fact he came to a track day in toastie machine from Wish
That's a Hyundai Tiburon
Get that Tiburon off the track 😆
I wonder how he's going to explain that to his insurance company????
Personally speaking I take the risk; cars can generally be repaired.
Although you cannot claim on normal car insurance, trackday specialist cover is available but you have to cause a large amount of damage to make a claim worthwhile
Too fast, wrong line, poor reactions. Harsh - but seen this too often now! At least it’s a burner car
Thanks for the advice 🤓👍🏽
I've never driven on a race track. My wife is giving me a track day for my birthday prezzie driving 3 Aston Martins (James Bond Triple Drive Experience). My nearest venues are Oulton Park and Three Sisters. Can anyone tell me which one I should choose?
Without a doubt Oulton Park!
Three sister is primarily a karting circuit, narrow and twisty, you will have a blast at Oulton👍🏼👍🏼
(Always watch out for Hyundais though 😉)
@@E4RLIES Great! Thanks for the advice! Now if you could just predict the weather for me? 😂
Don’t try to save it. Makes it worse.
If in doubt..let it spin,spin,spin.
I have a few times and never damaged car! Luckily!
Dude ran out of talent.
End of story.
Also ran out of tires pretty fast too
That's a classic tankslapper surely. Understeer, over correct, then when back on grippy tarmac it hugely oversteers
Ouch. "Hello...is that the RAC?".
Good, now open that S2000 up.
Atleast it was only tiburon!
Who brings a FWD Hyundai to the track?
cheap car ,no problem
Just glad it wasn't the s2k
bro forgot he was ina fwd car
What a bellend
I thought the cam driver lost his gear knob and crashed
😆
His famous last words were Watch This
that noise, bang, bang.....
And it wasn't even a BMW
🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️ terrible lol
Lucky for you he didn’t come back in front of you.
Erm he did that’s kinda why I backed off and waited for the inevitable?
🤔
Let off the dam gas guy lol. Went to fast
Thats something i never got with some people, why is it so wrong to just take the corner a little too slow instead of a little too fast, i guess "when in doubt just slow down to a safe speed to make the corner" isnt a catchy qoute
Early Apex = Early Exit.
It went bad when dude brought a timboron to the track. It's just a 3rd gen eclipse clone.
Honestly, the bigger lesson here is to settle the car and lower speed in the grass before re-entry and not rush to get back on pavement.
Never played ACC at Oulton clearly..
Lol games are one thing, reality bites hard😝
It's front wheel drive, you don't need to correct, just hold the wheel straight and it'll swing back straight itself.
Inexperienced I guess.
Nice camera angles !
Whoops!
Wow, you could see that coming from 3 turns before the crash, his lines were so bad!
Shit happen !!
Textbook crash
Awesome 🤩
Should have braked when he went four wheels off and help the car come to a stop when it hit the pavement; that way it wouldn't of had the momentum to hit the wall.
Well that sucks.
Just because you've paid a hundred quid for a track day it doesn't make you a racing driver.....a few sighting laps first to get your bearings then start to press that pedal within your limits...slower in hit the apex and fire it out...simples...good job he wasn't at Copice at Donningron or he would of been through the fence...sideways 😉
INERTIA DRIFT?!!!
did the camera car gear knob come off?
No I was the nob behind the wheel gear nob was also ok 👌🏼
I was frustrated waitin for Hyundai man to progress so I was flapping my hand about sarcastically 👋🏼
I spin at that exact same corner in iRacing all the time. Feels, dude!
Yes, it's a tricky bugger that one, deceptive turn in and off camber and then you're onto grass. You really need to turn in late and trail brake around it to be safe.
Likewise, I've binned It so many time on that corner in iRacing.
Too much forza
Captain Crunch
Lmao
I geuss somebody is getting the bus to work on Monday morning
Came in way to hot.