Because very few of them gets to control/heavily influence the press and the press is, by and large, doing its job in most European countries - combined that with that most, if not all, European electoral systems results in there being multiple candidates from multiple parties so that for just one of them to actually have a majority of total popular support is pretty significant. (This is contrasted to the "first past the post" system inherited from the British empire in many English speaking nations, USA & UK being the main contrasts)
It's not really a European thing, more of a general leader thing. If you look at the poll he showed early in the video you'll see that the Japanese and Korean leaders fare worse than average European leaders. And then there's Biden. Of the leaders with more than 50% approval, Albanese in Australia barely has a year in office and Lula also just got back in office succeeding a pretty unpopular leader. It's the other 3 (Obrador, Berset and Modi) that are exceptions, and they're from 3 different continents with very different political outlooks.
@@badaboum2 The original comment "framed" it to be within the European countries and so I just kept it confined to that. My comment just states that there are two main parts (a simplification ofc) which consists of a free and "uncontrolled/restrained" press AND a political system which promotes a more clearly separated plethora of parties and candidates to represent all the varying views of a population instead of "bulking" it into more or less two buckets to mainly explain why, European leaders don't really tend to have "high" approval ratings. However, even in Europe you have Hungary, where the "uncontrolled" press part is missing, hence Orban gets to hold significant influence/control over the stories being told & same thing with Erdogan in Turkey and for the UK there's the FPTP system combined with some ...semi-questionable... press coverage of Conservative policies over the last ~decade.
As aj Italian who did not vote for her and who does not support her, I'd say this is somewhat accurate, but you forgot to mention that she is also popular because she wasn't involved in any major corruption scandal. Not her party, she herself was never involved in shady businesses as far as we know.
@@Graeberwave Maybe she was but he's dynamics now are quite moderate and sort conservative in other issues and free market defense, pragmatic conservative right. No surprises.
It’s pretty normal in democracies because anyone who didn’t vote for her directly, usually disapprove, and even then most only have the support of 20-30% of the population for any given party, and they form a coalition government. That is until the two party system is reached like in the US, even then it’s usually just barely at 50% with only a handful of people deciding on the day. There was a video on voting in an animal kingdom or something, that goes into more detail.
@@mitas3484 I would argue it's a problem if a system always elects someone the majority of people dislike, and that it isn't very democratic in the colloquial sense for such an outcome to even be possible like can happen under FPTP.
@@meowmiaumiauw The problem is that there isn't anybody who actually will represent the majority of people. In Europe there are more parties to try better representing people though it means each party is only going to represent the feelings of a proportionally smaller group of people and have approval ratings closer to 30%. America forces people to be either republican or democrat bringing the approval closer to 50. However because the policies that are republican or democrat are for some reason split up at what almost feels random it ends up representing its constituents less and forces people to be single issue voters.
@@imaloser5689 Valid, it's just that there exist world leaders who can be confirmed to have high approval ratings including Modi and various others from decades past. To me, that implies it's at least _possible_ to not elect people the majority of citizens dislike. This video is about how Meloni is more popular than most world leaders and her ratings are negative, there's no way that's a positive sign
You can't really compare Meloni's current poll rating with leaders that have been in power a lot longer (like Macron), since poll numbers are generally at their most favorable in their first year or two.
They have 6/7 of the greatest TV channels, the majority of the newspapers; they also have the biggest coalition in the italian history, even if they lose 1/5 of their parliamentary members that isn't a problem. This is the most stable italian government since Mussolini.
She is a navigated politician, raised under the right parties' umbrella of the Berlusconi's school. She knows too damn well how to mantain her popularity onto her populist electoral base, even in doing (like all italians politicians do when taking seats) absolutely nothing of their main program, or else even doing quite the opposite. Interfering with media and press as much on such a large pool of people, her poll results should not be so scandalous.
@@anto8375that's simply not true at all. The majority of newspapers? Like, which ones? Also the TV channels (that's 3 of them and nobody watches TV anyway today) belongs to Berlusconi's family
@@jacques.cousteau okay they own just 3 tv channels and people don’t watch tv anymore! - is a very, very bad argument against claims that someone who owns the media has the power to leverage their popularity damn
Hey folks, italian here. A few tips on "How to be a popular politician in Italy": 1. Belong to a party that never governed before. 2. Develop your campaign on extreme opinions, the more superficial the better, shout as loud as you can to better leverage on people's gut feelings instead of informed consciousness. 3. Attack your opponent instead of proposing something of your own other than incredibly shallow slogans. 4. Get elected and do nothing of what you got elected for. In fact, do nothing at all, to mantain the status quo as long as possible. 5. Keep shouting that you're doing great, that you're the best and the things you're doing are great, and do your best to hide the emptiness of your actions. 6. Hold on point 5 for as long as you can until the inevitable crumble of your popularity. This system is so efficient that some politicians in Italy have been able to enact the full cycle multiple times.
This reminds me of the Dutch party "Forum for Democracy". Lead by a super popular guy with some very out there takes. Now the guy walks into parliament every 3 months or so talking about aliens or saying something in Latin. He went from 12/75 seats to 2/75 seats within one election.
@@_blank-_ Tajani is the best they have right now... it's far from being charismatic, but it's capable e famous. So.. he won't lead FI to be a major party, but he can keep it togheter.
Speaking as an italian: Lots of italian leaders start off very popular and then crash and burn. I would wait for the next election to see if she holds up her current standard of popularity. She might be a new Berlusconi in the 90s and 2000s and become the figurehead of the right for years, or she might be another Salvini or Renzi, peaking at 30 to 40 percent and then going downhill faaaast. Same for her party. It might be another 5 stars Movement, for all we know. It is early to tell
@@suspendedtwice4sayingrasis261not true. Berlusconi did not crash and burn fast, most recent US presidents did not crash and burn fast (most got re-elected), Merkel lasted a fucking millennia in power, and the list goes on
As an Italian I would agree with your statement. She will crash like Renzi, Berlusca and other leaders. There was a sketch about elections in the EU, it explains why the popularity is high in Italy...hint, its something I am ashamed of.
Honestly, I don't regard those polls as representetive as they are intended to be, I think Meloni is really popular in Italy right now (more than what it's shown to be), a lot of people that didn't vote for her at the last elections now would and those that did vote for her continue to give her support (which is impressive given that when someone starts governing usually looses popularity). The only problem she has are the other members of her party, a lot are under qualified and did not do the rebranding you mentioned
@@Baktrianostons voted for her where I live.... And definitely you know everyone's vote in you city 😂😂😂 Guy the polls cannot be wrong at least not by a lot it's statistics.
@alessandrof.6546 the pools and statistics exists..... Then you aren't considering that the same people also hear what schlein wants to do: no agreements with any north african country even the ones did by them in the past.....
Semmai è il contrario, oltretutto è il governo con meno voti della storia repubblicana. Il partito ha vinto le elezioni con il 26% dei voti, mentre i 5 stelle superarono il 30%. Ed è stata un elezione con l'astensione più alta vista in Italia, quindi in percentuale è un partito votato da pochi italiani, agli altri partiti è andata peggio ma nessuno ha un vero appoggio dal popolo italiano, quindi state parlando di un fenomeno pompato dai media e che ha avuto ascesa sociale solamente per l'ignavia degli avversari. Un fenomeno fragile.
@@Baktrianos 🤣🤣🤣 she is in a coalition... And tons of Italians don't vote..... Statistics are statistics point, your wannabe opinion doesn't count. Guy i voted for the left, after who they put in charge and what she wants they can disappear for what I care, their official policy is betrayal now.
Reaching the amount of hypocrisy of Macron and France is very hard though.... France is the definition of hypocrisy: 1 France colonize half of africa 2 France doesn't want to leave and continue printing money for Africa. 3 France push to take down Gheddafi and bomb Libya because they wanted their oil, influence in the region and also Gheddafi (while he was definitely a terrible dictator not saying otherwise) had a plan to replace the French money in Africa with the money he got selling oil (expecially to Italy) to make African countries more self sufficient. (was it realistic as a plan? Don't know but still). Italy had agreements with Libya in regards to migrants, trade and was even paying billions directly into Libyan infrastructure as payment for colonization, in exchange Gheddafi agreed to limit migrants. 4 by doing that they cause a massive migration crysis to Italy. 5 they sent their military at the border with Italy to stop migrants from crossing and they go crazy if one ship arrive in France. And they sent their military to hunt and expell migrants in Mayotte. 6 they accuse Italy and Italians of being not Humane enough 🤣🤣 and continue to attack Italy in regard to migrants. And France together with Obama are one main direct cause of the rise of Meloni in the first place. I dare you to find one country that is a hypocrite as France... and no wonder Italians don't want to take it anymore from Macron....
@@msmit3669 Simple. Scholz was unpopular from the get go. If the CDU picked any other candidate but Laschet, Scholz wouldn't have won. Simple as that. He's your average 20-25% approval second best guy, who happened to reach these peak 25% rigth in the week of the election and never was this popular again. He's more of a bureaucrat kind of guy that people don't wnat in the first row, but they happened to prefer him in the first row over a clown. If the elections were a month earlier he would have lost even to the most rediculous clown candidate our country has seen in its history. That's not on Scholz though. It was the CDU's fault that they picked a clown to lead them. If they picked anyone who could be taken even the least bit serious, Scholz would have lost.
To not be like other politicians you must not treat politics as a popularity contest. That makes it extremely unlikely you'll get elected, so naturally that's the rarity in our societies.
It’s unfair to compare Meloni to Conte and Draghi; sure, they were popular, but they were being boosted by the Covid-era “rally around the leader” phenomenon too.
Tbh they aere popular cuz of they fact thst for the better or the wordt they actually kept coherent with her ideas and actually helped the italian econmy and people unlike Giorgia who since she's got in power has done shit other then some petty talks with tunisia and some poland style whining at the eu. She isnt even coherent as she is practically soing the same shit the said conte and Draghi governaments did
@@ruskygelovich5469 Exactly this: and that is why Salvini and Renzi are in the gutter. They change ideas depending on whats popular at the moment every 15 minutes. How can you trust a politician who only says what you want to hear, and then act at his own convenience?
dearest....you hardly know the Italian people. Do you think they cannot tell the difference between a Goldman SACHS Banker and a woman who has been in politics since she was in high school? Come on
God I miss Draghi, he was the only chance of a better Italy, someone who was COMPETENT and had INTEGRITY, too bad characters like that don’t make it far in Italian politics.
It's one thing to tell people what they want to hear. It's another thing actually doing what you promised. The Conservatives in Britain have been promising to reduce immigration in manifestos for the past 13 years and infact its gotten worse. Its not a surprise they will lose the next elections
Unfortunately no one else is going to decrease immigration, labour want more of it which is 🤮🤮🤮 and I don’t like conservatives cos their posh money grubbing bastards, who tf am I gonna vote for next election, there is no middle ground inbetween labour and conservative
@@lewis123417it’s got worse because Tories have intentionally created a huge backlog to keep their narrative of uncontrolled immigration. Immigration is necessary for 1st world countries with huge global economies, how can people (like you) not know this 🤦♂️
@@briton3851 Indeed. Immigration is being sold as a way to pay pensions... but it is more often a way to reduce salaries and, thus, to keep corporate profits high. Neither the "natives" nor the displaced immigrants end up being happy with this and the economy only seems to be growing because of the resulting increase in housing prices.
The swedish former Prime minister Magdalena Andersson has an approval rating of 50%, a drop from the peak of about 55% a year ago. Remarkably she would have crushed it in thia competition had she not been ousted this past election.
She was only PM for a year and didn't have to deal with any real crises during her term. If her coalition had won the last election we don't know what her rating would be at the moment.
@@Theorimlig I highly disagree, both the Russian invasion and the energy crises happened on her watch. As well as a persistent issue with violent crime, which peaked during her year in office. While the war might've have given her a boost as a result of a "rally around the flag"-effect it could also have caused trouble, say, as in Germany.
@@lobaxx She was sure better at keeping up her public image and being more present in the conversation. Other than that I don't really know what else could be done. It's mostly outside of the PM:s control. Although the promised payouts after the high energy prices was a mistake from the beginning, making a promise you know you can't keep and then rejecting that the promise was ever made. This current Quran-crisis would surely have been tricky for Andersson as well. Although a bit easier without SD in her parliamentary support.
Regardless of personality or policy, leaders tend to be more popular when people think things are going well and less popular when people think they're not
lo contano come tecnocratico perché fu chiamato da esterno perché Salvini e Di Maio non trovavano accordo sul primo ministro. era un semplice avvocato. probabilmente si può dire che è diventato politico dal 2021 quando è diventato segretario del m5s al passaggio al governo Draghi
when erdogan first elected in turkey he also softened his far right ideas and created a western politician profile but by the time he got more power he went back to his far right policies he even changed the presidential system to french presidential system which meloni wants to. long story short i hope italy wont share the same destiny with turkey but the beginning of their story looks pretty familiar to me.
no, it doesn't....... if that didn't happen, the globalist antichrists like Hillary Clinton would be at the wheel...... Trump is the best thing that could happen to world politics....... soon, the EU will get abolished too...... each country belongs to its people, not a few greedy cunts at BlackRock
@@XZ1. Exactly, just like Giorgia. That's why their history is the same. They present themselves as "outsiders" when in fact they have been in the game for decades.
slovakia as well. all we got from it was as incompetent, narcissistic man trying to navigate us through covid (which happened just as he entered office). it was a complete disaster.
That's why I love our system in Switzerland. We don't have a ruling party or president. We have a parliament and the people of Switzerland. The system is slow but very stable.
I think you missed the point. Italian GDP , after more than a decade of crisis, is finally growing again, outclassing most of the European comparables. I think Meloni is harvesting the work done by Draghi, and only time will tell if she’s doing a good job. On the other side the alternatives to Meloni are simply embarrassing.
That's always the way. People don't understand the lag time between policy implementation and the effects actually paying off (or the damage, as the case may be), and so often give the credit or blame to the wrong people.
L’economia Italiana cresceva perché Draghi era competente ed affidabile, la Meloni non lo è ( a prescindere dalla sua ideologia, nulla di ciò che ha promesso l’ha fatto, anzi spesso ha fatto l’esatto opposto) quindi boh.
I was saying this for years. Of course many extreme leaders are winning, while more moderate ones are losing popularity. People have actual problems, they don't care if the right wing or the left wing is in the government, as long as those problems are solved. I think that nowadays the left has became too woke to actually solve anything and the moderate left and right are so into political correctness that they can't even dare to point the problems in the first place.
As an Italian, I am still waiting for her to do something for right-wing voters (that is not an tax amnesty) instead of doing something against left-wing voters.
She is behind the agreements with Tunisia to stop migrants, you cannot blame her for what is behind her control but for what she does and she is doing. Also you aren't considering that a lot of the people that vote for her don't agree with her on several things they just vote against the left.......
Although it must be said that the strongest supporters of the "reddito di cittadinanza" benefit are largely voters of opposing parties like 5 Stars. Not saying that no unemployed FI voter will be pissed about no longer receiving a cheque to sit home (or do illegal tax-free work while cashing the benefits), but it isn't something promoted by her party that she is changing.
@@ROMANTIKILLER2The Reddito di Cittadinanza Is NOT an unemployment integration benefit but just a subsidy for low income families. That said, it's astonishing how we still consider thieves people who work as exploited employees but still not reaching 1500€ a month (not even with the RdC)! Mediaset waged such a strong propaganda that I even know workers who are pissed off that there are people under the line of poverty who are helped because "being helped by the government is for lazy people". They brainwashed them into thinking that it's their fault so they can exploit them to death while all these corrupted employers and politicians drive bugattis and don't even go to work, stealing all the money or our labor With the same money they re-established the annuities for ex-senators, people who don't even fucking work anymore! The issue is that nobody understands even why poverty exists because they are all rich and corrupted in that parliment. This is why people in the south don't vote, the only ones represented and who are authorised to have an actual political career are rich northern Italian white men or corrupted people in general, while us Sicilians are basically mass migrating to other places
In the spainish election nothing changed really, beside some vox voters moved to the Conservatives. Probably because they seem safer and have become much more right wing in their rhetoric of late. In otherwords most parties are shifting to the right wing but for voters, for now, vox shifted too much rightward.
Sanchez deliberately chose a snap election when very large numbers of Spaniards were on holiday away from home therefore less likely to vote than if they were at home - per AP "The date chosen for the early election comes in the middle of Spain’s summer holiday period, with many people likely to be away from their voting areas." These absentees would be weighted heavily toward PP and Vox voters. Although turnout was very good, it would likely have been much higher if it hadn't been in the middle of holiday season and we can expect the PP and Vox votes to have been quite a bit higher. It was a clever strategy by Sanchez, although undemocratic to suppress the right wing vote.
@@jamesevans1890 In most other countries middle class people, ie those who can afford to go on holiday, have a preponderance to vote left/liberal, while those who cannot vote right-wing. It is peculiar that this should be the other way round in Spain.
Hope you are right. And hope that it will replicate in my own country (Portugal), which had a far-right dictatorship for an even longer period (48 years). It's pure childishness to vote on a bunch of jerks, just because you don't like the guys that are in office.
She said she would do something about illegal immigration and she is now doing something indeed. Very serious and tough conversations especially with Tunisia are being initiated by her. And the results will come sooner or later. She has a consistent personality and clear direction and her stance on the issue is quiet rational. She is voicing what other europeans are not expressing clearly I feel. But these small wins are fairly easy ones and populist in nature. She will have to pass the economy exam and nail it before sementing herself as a respected and positvely viewed EU leader. She is fairly new to her position and if the economy in Italy continues to suffer, she will not remain as popular as she is now. Populism is a fuel that burns intensely but runs out fast. Something else will then be needed.
Supporting Tunisia's human rights abuses and dispossessing lgbtq parents of their legal guardianship, very rational and well balanced. Me expressing myself as a European: She can go f herself and her upside-down idol.
Yep...she will eventually be booted out and then they will elect another tough talker on immigration who will do nothing, and be booted out in turn. This is a neverending cycle.
Conte was not a technocrat, he was chosen by 5 Stars as the PM of 2 governments. So much so that he's now the 5 Stars leader. Technocrat govs are such because (almost) all parties, despite their claimed incompatibilities, support such governments in the name of the 'national interest'. Amato, Dini, Letta and Gentolini were also not party leaders but they were still PMs of political governments as you correctly point out.
@@Boretheory no pal, during the 2018 election he was openly part of the 5 stars proposed ministrial team. So despite not actually running for a seat, he had sided with them. Both governments he was head of were highly political (the most political in decades in fact one may argue).
A few misleading things: 1. Speaking of Berlusconi as if he’s still alive whereas he died over a month ago. 2. Meloni softened her position on the LGBTQ+ topic (min 7:43). This really didn‘t happen. Her government proposed a law to deligitimate LGBTQ+ families and she clearly stated in several interviews that she would not step back on this.
@@KaizzerI remember reading awhile ago that Italy had the smallest melons in Europe on average and UK the largest. Just some random fact that stuck in my head for some reason.
Nha she is against the narrative of the left and of the current EU leaders and against France which always gain support in Italy expecially if you start studying history even recent history and why things are the way they are....... Every time Macron dares to speak she will gain 1 percentage point in the pools.
It's not really hard - she listens to public opinion, GDP is growing properly for the first time in forever and the trains are running on time. Speaking of trains, they're now far better than Germany's current joke of a rail system. They've got some wonderful high-speed rail that's so affordable, comfortable and reliable that it was directly responsible for Alitalia going bankrupt. But the real test is the longer term, let's check back in a couple of years to see if she maintains her popularity or crashes and burns like so many previous Italian PMs.
@@albertofuzzi7200 if she is truly skillful leader, she can make draghi's decisions 2.0 and leverage those. They seem different profile leaders (topics they talk of) so this could play out.
@@effexon i sure hope so! But, regardless of how capable Meloni might be, the remaining of her party is a bunch of inepts, half of whom are still to this day fascist, and the other believe themselves to be hobbits... If she succeed to get anything useful out of them she would do a miracle. The only one with the head on his shoulders seems to be Nordio.
Because we are sick and tired of this experiment the EU has been running called mass migration. Take a look at paris burning, that is the inevitable fate of all eu countries going down the path of this “diversity” plan. The end product of this will be a europe that is no longer europe.
Meloni was in the US recently, and I found her very articulate on the issues. As a US citizen she seemed charasmatic, and Moderate to Conservative. I like her, think she's great on the world stage.
New leaders are always more popular and specially Macron has been around for way too long, being almost untouchable despite all the things that could be listed against him. Also it's particularly true with the right, whos economic policies tend to hurt a significant part of their own voters after some time in power. I'm not sure it would be the same with Meloni since her economic politics are all over the map, but still it's not strange that she's popular so early on.
Macron seems untouchable because the opposition leaders are pretty much all clowns who keep shooting themselves in the foot. Which was part of his strategy of replacing the other "respectable" parties around the center with his own.
Reaching the amount of hypocrisy of Macron and France is very hard though.... France is the definition of hypocrisy: 1 France colonize half of africa 2 France doesn't want to leave and continue printing money for Africa. 3 France push to take down Gheddafi and bomb Libya because they wanted their oil, influence in the region and also Gheddafi (while he was definitely a terrible dictator not saying otherwise) had a plan to replace the French money in Africa with the money he got selling oil (expecially to Italy) to make African countries more self sufficient. (was it realistic as a plan? Don't know but still). Italy had agreements with Libya in regards to migrants, trade and was even paying billions directly into Libyan infrastructure as payment for colonization, in exchange Gheddafi agreed to limit migrants. 4 by doing that they cause a massive migration crysis to Italy. 5 they sent their military at the border with Italy to stop migrants from crossing and they go crazy if one ship arrive in France. And they sent their military to hunt and expell migrants in Mayotte. 6 they accuse Italy and Italians of being not Humane enough 🤣🤣 and continue to attack Italy in regard to migrants. And France together with Obama are one main direct cause of the rise of Meloni in the first place. I dare you to find one country that is a hypocrite as France... and no wonder Italians don't want to take it anymore from Macron....
Right-wing economic policies actually work though. The problem would be that, like a meth addiction, leftist policies are hard and unpleasant to cure since they involve forced dependency of large sections of society and economy on the government. Which is unsustainable in the long term, hence why these things always get progressively more costly until they collapse entirely.
@@Paul-bs5wl rightwing economic policies have also proved to be unsustainable in the long term, particularly those of the laissez faire variant. Check out the Gilded Age.
Give her a few years. Meloni-chan will inevitably break the wrong one's spaghetti before cooking them, and then those polls are gonna drop like they seemingly always do in Italy.
Only for a random ass party in the coalition with 2 total members withdraws from the government, taking away the majority the government needs to stand , and It all collapses.
Italian here. Let's talk about Meloni's popularity next year, she just removed "universal income" from a lot of people... good luck with removing gifts in Italy
the universal subsidy was a TERRIBLE mistake. everything which is born under an emergency and temporary measure, becomes a "right" for people. enough is enough. I don't care if the government is disbanded because of the suppression of the universal income. it has to be withdrawn, once and for all.
@@Doge811 I would not be so sure it will not impact general popularity. Lots of people will know someone impacted. Popularity is not only about people who vote for you.
She's just harvesting Mario Draghi's work, in 3/5 years we will be on the edge of the default again, but it will not be her problem because she will be gone already 😂
Belgian guy here. Europe’s permanent diplomatic summit. We may not have invented the art of compromise, but we surely perfected it like no other nation. Because we’re probably the most successful failed nation state on the planet (and owning it like bosses, Nigel F.). Citizens in a coalition government system know very well that competent elected politicians know that it’s better to negotiate a slightly absurd political compromise so as to serve the higher good (serving the country). A healthy political life, just like a healthy life in general, is an ideal most easily striven for in a country where people know that life is always about compromising, not demonising your opponents, having the ability to see the bigger picture and not just party interest etc. The most reasonable populations can be found in coalition government countries. The more complex the system, the more moderate the people. Belgium never had a civil war in spite of having a coalition system on top of a deep economic fracture along THE European cultural and linguistic divide (Romance languages v. Germanic languages). Oh, and both cultural and linguistic communities claim Brussels (Belgium’s eternal “Jerusalem question) on the basis of historical and emotional claims. And in spite of this huge mess, not a single civil unrest the likes of The Troubles. Compare this to the toxicity in the House of Commons, the violence, the resentment among the population etc in FPTP Britain. Of course the people who have to live in such a savage place had issues with another Monument of Fudge: the EU. The poor unfortunate souls. So yeah I perfectly understand why Meloni is popular among the Italians: a fantastically chaotic people who someday or another steers their beautiful but dysfunctional imbroglio of a country through the waves with a level of grace and elegance those shouters in the Commons can only dream of. France is another example of a horribly polarising political system with shouting, actual violence and an inability to compromise for the sake of the national interest. But at least they dress better than those hooligans in the Commons.
If Mark Rutte and Ursula von der Leyen really do represent the popular european mainstream, than perhaps european project is truly unsalvagable and should be scrapped.
Mark Rutte left politics and most Europeans and Dutch did agree with his pro-EU and pro-Ukraine stance its rather that his Dutch domestic politics was a completely and utter fiasco
@@GwainSagaFanChannel Hij heeft je voor de gek gehouden met die uitspraak, Rutte heeft _de nationale politiek_ verlaten (zodra hij niet meer demissionair is tenminste), maar zijn volgende functie, of dat nou bij de EU, de NATO of de WEF zelf is, wordt absoluut een politieke functie.
This video is very accurate just like the other ones I watched on this channel, anyway its authors and the English speaking press in general forgot to say one thing.The Italian Social Movement, the party founded in 1946 to give continuity to fascism in the republican Italy, had undergone several mutations by the late 1970s and 1980s (such as becoming an Atlanticist party). Then it was disbanded between 1994 and 1995 to start a new party, the National Alliance. Giorgia Meloni joined the party's youth section in 1992 or 1993, when the Italian Social Movement's days were numbered. The National Alliance rejected fascism and all the previous ideological framework (its leader went to Israel to apologize for the Holocaust) and became a liberist, nationalist, conservative, anti-immigration and pro-European Union party. Around 2008, the National Alliance merged with Berlusconi's Forza Italia party. A few years later Giorgia Meloni tried to refound the National Alliance, but she did not have the rights to use that name and the former symbol, so the reborn National Alliance became Fratelli d'Italia. National Alliance and Fratelli d'Italia are the same political entity, the only difference is the strong criticism of the euro and EU economic policies that Fratelli d'Italia made a few years ago, when the context was different from that in which National Alliance acted. So between the founding of the Italian Social Movement in 1946 and the election of Meloni in 2022 the party, the ideology, Italy, Europe, the Italians and the economic situation of the country have changed. The world has changed. Continuing to associate Meloni with fascism is disregarding the changes that have taken place in the Italian politics and society. Moreover, the idea of turning Italy into a presidential republic starts from afar and has nothing to do with the insinuation, made by some, that Meloni wants to be a new fascist dictator. This proposal was formulated as early as the 1980s even by the Italian Socialist Party, has always been a workhorse of the National Alliance but has also been supported by Berlusconi's Forza Italia. And the origin lies in the constitutionally prescribed weakness of the main offices of the Italian state. The first office of the state is the president of the Republic who has few functions and little power, the second is the president of the Senate, the third is the president of the Chamber of Deputies, and the fourth is not the prime minister, because in Italy there is no prime minister, but the president of the Council of Ministers (which is the role held by Meloni). This condition terribly slows down the activity of the Italian politics, whose work is based on a continuous bouncing of laws from one Chamber to the other.
Sounds like she still holds those far right veiws but has understood that the majority of people dont and has softened her stance to get more moderate conservatives on board. If she can consolidate power or if the party stays in power for a longer period i wouldn't be surprised to see the more facist talking points make a comeback
Conte was not a technocrat nor a politician when put in charge of the government. We have a system where parties can pick people from outside the parliament to govern and usually that means that a technician is picked, to make sense of all the divisions in the chambers. In the case of Conte, though, he was an outsider picked by the party with the most votes (5S) and pushed through with a minority support from Lega first, PD later. That meant that albeit unelected (not part of the parliament at the time), he was the expression of the majority party. So yeah, in our practical definition, he was never a technician like, for example, Monti or Draghi. Also, Meloni is a well dressed, low-key fascist. We like those in general.
IMHO TLDR should, as a news channel, clearly indicate sponsors. After the oompth mention, I assume that Adobe is one, but I see that nowhere indicated. Leaves a bit of an aftertaste.
As a Spaniard, Italy is such a strange element. It is like a dark mirror, a window into an alternative universe in which Spain tended dramatically towards the right. Directly into the uncanny valley. Things look similar enough, but then right under the surface, the two countries couldn't be more different with respect to social ideas.
Hasn't Spain been very unwilling to deal with its far-right (still very recent) history, and is currently moving towards the right with the conservative PP willing to form a coalition with the far-right?
What a pity of comment is that one of yours. Since the end of Francoist Spain your beautiful country has fallen in to the hands of free masons and left-leaning capitalist lobbies, promoting all kinds of degeneracy, as in woke US states. Franco was far from perfect, but was for sure the last great statist Spain had.
@@fannishfanning160 Yeah it's weird how a Spaniard can be so misinformed when their politics is already about to shift that way, and they were literally a fascist dictatorship until somewhere in the 70's
Meloni is a great politician, a white fly, one who made herself... she never looked for shortcuts, she destroyed every prediction with her determination and her high values, the Italians could not fail to notice her, it was a matter of time. A phrase of Meloni that represents her is this, "the decline is not a destiny, the decline is a choice".
@@gudemik5335 most Italians, obviously in Italy there is strong propaganda against politicians who help the country, so there are certainly also Italians like you, who are totally conditioned by propaganda.
Wouldnt it also be important to see whos being polled? I always see polls outcomes from my own country but Ive never even seen or heard of the polling group before
As a Ukrainian, net approval rating of +60 or more is almost always a sign of having (very) bad neighbors or a fascist leader. At least I'm glad we're not the latter. So yeah, -1 is pretty good.
You have a jew as a leader who is using white ukranians as pawns in a war to decimate you. Him and putin are on the same page about white people and getting rid of them
Brilliant, articulate with a sense of direction for her people, for her country doing the right thing, revitalising the country. Hard right, she may, but once the country has revived, citizens will thank her in time to come.
@@GwainSagaFanChannel Loved her as well. Indians are socially conservative and they love conservative European politicians in general. I mean look at how Trudeau was treated by Modi and compare that with Meloni. Light years difference.
@@Kalimdor199Menegroth using 'conservative' to describe the state of / hate in indian society is an euphemism, you literlly have fascist pogroms already and many popular TV stations promoting genocide and inciting hatred
@@midnattsol6207 No state of hate exists of Indian society. Sectarian local violence has been occurring on and off since independence. You are just grasping at straws and spread misinformation.
I appreciate Meloni too. In opposite to most right wing parties, like AFD or Le Pen, Meloni is pro EU & NATO. She picks up worries on migration and decline of Italy and entire Europe. Meloni is a symphatic person. So all together she gets very high sympathy from all over Europe.
It sure helps that the media suddenly stopped reporting all of the asylum seekers arriving in Italy, despite them being way way less when Meloni was not the PM...
Because people have the iq of a sheep and belive that somehow she can control how many people land.... But wait when salvini said that he stopped migrants it wasn't true but instead now the opposite is true....
I was actually surprised on how equilibrate Meloni is. I didn t expect it. Considering the press when she was elected I thought she d be the next Mussolini but nah, she s actually ok and I am not on the right mostly except for economy.
Keep in mind that the government TV is in the hand of the left. The largest newspaper's "La Repubblica" stocks were held by the left party (PD) for a long time. The left has the ability to divulge propaganda easily.
it works slightly different every time. in Meloni's case, i believe, you'd have to look at the last 10 or so years of the left coalition. ever since the economic crisis of 2009-2010 the left coalition spearheaded by the Democratic Party started playing the part of the responsible one, forcing unpopular choices on the people during rather troublesome times with unspecified promises of a better outcome further down the line, just because it was the right thing to do, often hinging on a moral compass that clearly wasn't resonating with a large portion of the population. from that moment on, no matter the outcome of an election (if there was any) the Democratic Party found a way to get back into government even if it didn't win, out of this "responsible choice" mantra: remember how it's said in the video that given the nature of the italian electoral law it's pretty difficult to have numbers big enough to govern steadily, so the winners are often forced into alliances? well, the Democratic Party was almost always there, backing things like austerity, immigration without compromises, higher taxes, saving banks with public money and such, so it cemented in people's minds as the establishment party, who doesn't care about the people as much as maintaining the existent power structure and the status quo. Meloni on the other hand, presented herself as the underdog, riding the coattails of her party being the only opposition during the Draghi government, which represented a very polarising time in the country history, given how that was the time of the covid vaccination plan campaign. also, some of the youth that gravitates towards her, seems to enjoy her being anti-woke to some extent (lately the Democratic Party started to embrace some woke instances directly from the USA, and to be honest those don't seem to work very well with the vast majority of italian people. maybe some young italian netizens might put their pronouns in their bio, but the bulk of Italy doesn't even know what that stuff is all about, and if some of those items become part of the public discourse they'll deem it gibberish). so basically what you have is people being mostly tired of an ever more bourgeois looking left that had a chance to do something good for the country in the last 10 or so years of governing one way or another and yet didn't deliver, and a right wing leader that presents herself as a more socialist option than the left. the way i see it, she catered to the usual right wing voters, to the frustrated left wing voters and to everyone who, for various reasons, was not happy about how the country was governed during covid.
I am a German Conservative and I support Meloni, because she implements liberal economic policies, a necessary, but usually unpopular thing. However she stays popular because of her nationalist rhetorics, while not really implementing radical nationalist agenda, but rather adopting to the EU and NATO. This brings a good result.
Italian people will tell you the "good results" in the next 2 years. Speaking is easy. Today it is much easier for German conservatives to be against any military support from German government to Ukraine but it was "conservatives" Who started a war and ended up in an divided and surrendered Germany which can't refuse millitary support today to Ukraine.
I'm sure that everyone that payed for your education, taxes and government spending included, as little as it might be, are very happy with this result. Be sure to eventually come back and fight with the rest of us to fix this mess of a country, which is still getting messed up more and more
The good thing about the globalization it is that nowadays we can easily emigrate , according to the Index of economic freedom by the Heritage Foundation created by Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher to promote the values of capitalism Italy is 57th country that follows more the free market policies of capitalism. Did you emigrate to a country that follows more Karl Marx socialist economic policies like Cuba or Venezuela or to a country that follows more Ronald's and Maggie's capitalist policies like Ireland or Denmark ?
Your video suggests Berlusconi is part of Meloni's coalition. He died last month, so unless she's re-recruited him from beyond the grave I don't think he is any longer!
Actually a new poll has her at 57% popularity with only 41% disapproval. So if you think the poll you used is a good rating... I believe the poll I cited as all the evidence and facts support it.
@@lanausea1335 Dico qual e la verita. Il sondaggio e il Pew Research Poll, che e una societa di sondaggio piu grande e affidabile di quella utilizzata qui in questo video. E stato pubblicato sei giorni fa. Non collego niente. Vai a cercarlo, ci vogliono dieci secondi.
For English speakers, the poll I was asked about is the Pew Research Center which is a far better poll than what is used in this video, to my knowledge. It was put out 6 days ago. So if he thinks Meloni's numbers are really good in the poll he uses, look at how much better she is actually doing than that. There is a 16% spread favorable to unfavorable.
@@marcocarlson1693 It's Italian politics. The US from WWII to the modern day has had 13 presidents including Joe Biden. The Italians by contrast have had almost 70 governments in the same time frame. Give her another year and reevaluate then.
@@petesperandio Yes, of course I know that. Pretty crazy by comparison. However, I can tell you this For Sure. She will be in office as long as she wants to be, and that Law allows. The only good thing about Italy's system is they can kick a guy out at anytime. Think there are a few people in the U.S. that wish they could kick Biden out, and other President's in the past too. But they can't. See, in Italy the people run the country, they really do, and not the politicians exactly. In the U.S. people feel hopeless, and can't do anything. So, there is a good and bad for both.
Its almost like lying through your teeth about a person you don't like not only doesn't pay off, but makes you blind to the obvious answer of "she's not Mussolini"
@@ChrisGrump considering that Mussolini killed less people than America only in iraq.... But Italians killed mussolini and appended him in the centre of Milan..... The Americans people responsible are still there living happily and rich.... Who care what she wants or think she cannot instaurate dictatorship it's impossible, even vice interviewed a political analyst that almost laughed when asked if fascism will come back...... It's just that leftist belive everything the right wing does is fascist and right wing belive everything the left does is communism 😑😑😑
Probably 2 main reasons : 1) She’s filling the demand for defending conservative values without going full racist fascist 2) She has a degree of honesty about her policies n doesn’t try to serve the establishment at the expense of the ppl like Macron
For a quick answer on why Meloni is so appreciated in Italy: first of all she is a woman, which makes her automatically perceived as more empathetic towards the needs of the population (in some way, more "maternal", compared to bureaucrats of Brussels); then she is young, which leads her to be approved by all that fringe of young neoconservatives, neotraditionalists and young patriots, who see in her a protagonist and an instrument to renew the right-wing tradition of the country, generally (both the right and the left in truth), in Italy, in the hands of the old guard, that is, on the right, the first entrepreneurs of the economic boom of the 50s-70s and the treacherous heirs of the fascist party and, on the left, the ex-partisans, the bloody pro-brigade communists and the sixty-eighters, the Marxist ideologues and the dusty socialist bureaucrats; Meloni is also a simple and charismatic leader: she is perceived as part of the people; finally, perhaps instead of her extremely right-wing past, a past that she was able to "let go of" in favor of moderation, she is seen as more reliable and more, indeed, moderate, more favorable to dialogue. For the moment Meloni seems to be "holding up", although sometimes the government "creaks"... we'll see: for us it is premature to draw conclusions now; History will judge.
I find it interesting that Europe is becoming more right leaning (despite normally being more left leaning than America) and America is becoming more left leaning (despite normalcy being more right leaning than Europe). Though Europe is still far more liberal than America on economic issues and these shifts are really only on social issues. But definitely interesting. Italy is my favorite European country but I’m also very progressive leaning and I was worried when Meloni took power but I guess we should not jump to conclusions yet. I’m American and I hope the best for my county and the rest of the world including Italy.
(Sorry for the long post): the Italian right is different from American right. We have two right. Liberal right (kinda like the Republicans), and Social Right (post-fascist): they are patriotic nationalists but socialists (in fact Italy was then called RSI: Italian Social Republic. The video mentioned the name of the post Mussolini party, MSI: Italian Social Movement. Mussolini's fans always bragged about that he created the welfare state, pensions, and free homes for veterans, widows, and orphans.
Don't use liberal that way when talking about european countries, because it means a different things. If you want to talk about liberal as in "the libs", say "progressive".
The blame of France is 100000% founded for anyone who knows history, even some people from the left have said the same things..... And all asked the French to fu*k off and mind their own business after what they did....
My 2 cents: i didn't vote for her, I wasn't terrified by her like some people in the far left, but I didn't like her either. I was surprised by her standing for Ukraine despite being an unpopular position in italy, and in general by her international behavior. I like her in this regard. I also like her for not giving in to fiscal populist, considering the state of our finances. It seems that she (like many before her) promised to her voters to be a candy (wo)man, but then she turned into a dentist. I mean, I am glad she did, but it seems like in italy you have to promise people popular (but self destructing) policies, and then you just rule and do what you have to do to not destroy the country.
Too bad she hasnt done a signle crap of what she promsied other than strip away people of their universal minimum wage and letting immigrants die in thr sea and off the coast of italy. The few "successes" she had were all results of previous governaments policies that she litteraly was against. She is as superficial and populist as the rest of most of the italian parties. If she has any succes is probably cuz the opposition sucks ass and the parties thst should eb diammetrally against Meloni are quite litteraly the most centrist compromisers in the whole parlament lol
@@joaoluis7497 Blud she litteraly was part of neo fascist organizations and even now that she is in power she clearly tries to avoid to discuss the fascist past of italy. On the 25th of April, the day of the liberation of italy from the fascists and nazists she bot only called it the "day the allies ovchpird all of italy" (wich is also historically inaccurate) but also discretited the partisan movement (that was for the most part made of communists) litteraly ignoring the ateocities commited by the fascists but also cherry picked "massacres" made by the partisans (they litteraly rounded up and killed fascist loyalists)
She’s popular because her coalition appeals to old people, and guess what Italy has plenty of? We youths have virtually no say on politics here, we are consistently outvoted on every matter
@@Paul-bs5wl yeah and neither do the vast majority of uneducated boomers that vote. besides democracy doesn't care about knowledge, everyone should have a voice regardless of their expertise in politics because that's what politicians are there for
@@Paul-bs5wlYou must know a lot of dumb young people then. Here, the old generations only spew nonsense about traditions and outdated values, things that have no use anymore in a country.
Wasn't the granddaughter offended when some US celebrity made a joke about Mussolini's hanging picture? Imagine getting upset at a joke about the death of a fascist dictator, regardless if they're family.
She may have run as a far right candidate, but she has made nothing but common sense moves to keep the integrity of her country intact. Despite the merits and humaneness of migration, it's pitfalls have shaken many countries to move way to the right in recent years. Countries that struggle to integrate immigrants successfully look at a country like France and the population wants none of it. She is a true patriot of her country and the people see this.
If MSM has an opinion, a large number of sane people immediately become skeptical. I like Meloni, nationalism & populism, with a sober view of broken migration system, plus a willingness to uphold foundational democratic principles & cooperate with allies.
I'm french and i can tell you that Macron is very unpopular. Probably the least loved and most divisive president of our 5th Republic. The next president is likely to be right-wing conservative or even far-right. It's not impossible given the resentment of the french over insecurity, violence and poorly managed immigration in this country. By the way, love Italy our latin brothers 🇮🇹 ❤ 🇫🇷
"poorly managed immigration", yes, poorly managed over decades of right-wing goverments, who never put any effort to integrate them and offer better life perspective, and also socialists who did nothing different or very little. Macron is behaving exactly like every right-wing government of the past, if not worse. Marine le Pen is just the natural persecution of this politics, she's not really different to what you have today. And it's possible that when she will take power, someone Zemmour-like will say that she's too weak so he will take over in polls, and so on and so on, bringing politics even more in the right-wing, without ever solving any problem. Ps I'm italian, and we've the very same situation.
About 1/2 Meloni's support is from people like my mother-in-law. She doesn't know anything about policy except she dreams of the Italy of the 60s-70s when she was young, the economy was chugging along, and the only diversity she had to think about was the annoying family from Naples in the building. Meloni gives a vibe of being fresh and young while also promising a return to a rose-colored past. Rather than actually constructing a FdI time machine, she just goes after red meat issues (e.g., hammering same sex parents). In time, people will get annoyed and it will be PD's turn again. Italian politics - lather, rinse, repeat.
I remember all the brexthickers in the Unicorn Kingdom thought Meloni was gonna attack the EU. But she has proved not to be as dumb as the English. Picking unnecessary fights with the EU is exactly that - unnecessary.
So the story here is not why Meloni is popular. The real story here is why are Europe's leaders consistently unpopular?
Because very few of them gets to control/heavily influence the press and the press is, by and large, doing its job in most European countries - combined that with that most, if not all, European electoral systems results in there being multiple candidates from multiple parties so that for just one of them to actually have a majority of total popular support is pretty significant. (This is contrasted to the "first past the post" system inherited from the British empire in many English speaking nations, USA & UK being the main contrasts)
YUP!@@emildavidsen1404
It's not really a European thing, more of a general leader thing. If you look at the poll he showed early in the video you'll see that the Japanese and Korean leaders fare worse than average European leaders. And then there's Biden. Of the leaders with more than 50% approval, Albanese in Australia barely has a year in office and Lula also just got back in office succeeding a pretty unpopular leader. It's the other 3 (Obrador, Berset and Modi) that are exceptions, and they're from 3 different continents with very different political outlooks.
It's almost like failing to do your program or doing the opposite results in losing people's trust
@@badaboum2 The original comment "framed" it to be within the European countries and so I just kept it confined to that. My comment just states that there are two main parts (a simplification ofc) which consists of a free and "uncontrolled/restrained" press AND a political system which promotes a more clearly separated plethora of parties and candidates to represent all the varying views of a population instead of "bulking" it into more or less two buckets to mainly explain why, European leaders don't really tend to have "high" approval ratings.
However, even in Europe you have Hungary, where the "uncontrolled" press part is missing, hence Orban gets to hold significant influence/control over the stories being told & same thing with Erdogan in Turkey and for the UK there's the FPTP system combined with some ...semi-questionable... press coverage of Conservative policies over the last ~decade.
As aj Italian who did not vote for her and who does not support her, I'd say this is somewhat accurate, but you forgot to mention that she is also popular because she wasn't involved in any major corruption scandal. Not her party, she herself was never involved in shady businesses as far as we know.
Isn’t she far right?
@@Graeberwave Maybe she was but he's dynamics now are quite moderate and sort conservative in other issues and free market defense, pragmatic conservative right. No surprises.
And women tend to stay out of sex scandals 🤣
What about Draghi? In which scandal he was involved? He was the best, he was a Neo -liberal not a fucking populist
What are you saying? 🤦🏻♂️ Brothers of Italy is the party with more arrested for ndrangheta
You know things are bad when the researchers could only find five world leaders who can be conclusively shown to have positive approval ratings.
It’s pretty normal in democracies because anyone who didn’t vote for her directly, usually disapprove, and even then most only have the support of 20-30% of the population for any given party, and they form a coalition government. That is until the two party system is reached like in the US, even then it’s usually just barely at 50% with only a handful of people deciding on the day. There was a video on voting in an animal kingdom or something, that goes into more detail.
@@mitas3484 I would argue it's a problem if a system always elects someone the majority of people dislike, and that it isn't very democratic in the colloquial sense for such an outcome to even be possible like can happen under FPTP.
@@meowmiaumiauw The problem is that there isn't anybody who actually will represent the majority of people. In Europe there are more parties to try better representing people though it means each party is only going to represent the feelings of a proportionally smaller group of people and have approval ratings closer to 30%. America forces people to be either republican or democrat bringing the approval closer to 50.
However because the policies that are republican or democrat are for some reason split up at what almost feels random it ends up representing its constituents less and forces people to be single issue voters.
@@imaloser5689 Valid, it's just that there exist world leaders who can be confirmed to have high approval ratings including Modi and various others from decades past. To me, that implies it's at least _possible_ to not elect people the majority of citizens dislike. This video is about how Meloni is more popular than most world leaders and her ratings are negative, there's no way that's a positive sign
that's the inevitable consequence of democracy. Such a stupid idea it is.
You can't really compare Meloni's current poll rating with leaders that have been in power a lot longer (like Macron), since poll numbers are generally at their most favorable in their first year or two.
Also, it was only a month ago when Macron threatened to kill his own citizens if they didn't stand down. Can't imagine that helped his ratings.
Exactly. Macron was at 52% approval in december 2017, 8 months after he was elected.
Unless you're Lizz Truss.
@@ogSomeone6_11_12 Taking the poll regarding Truss's popularity probably took longer than Truss was in office.
Macron is an ipocrite to his very bones.
She's almost lasted a year with popularity in a country where most leaders average a year overall. Impressive.
They have 6/7 of the greatest TV channels, the majority of the newspapers; they also have the biggest coalition in the italian history, even if they lose 1/5 of their parliamentary members that isn't a problem.
This is the most stable italian government since Mussolini.
She is a navigated politician, raised under the right parties' umbrella of the Berlusconi's school. She knows too damn well how to mantain her popularity onto her populist electoral base, even in doing (like all italians politicians do when taking seats) absolutely nothing of their main program, or else even doing quite the opposite.
Interfering with media and press as much on such a large pool of people, her poll results should not be so scandalous.
@@anto8375mai sentito parlare della DC ?
@@anto8375that's simply not true at all. The majority of newspapers? Like, which ones? Also the TV channels (that's 3 of them and nobody watches TV anyway today) belongs to Berlusconi's family
@@jacques.cousteau okay they own just 3 tv channels and people don’t watch tv anymore! - is a very, very bad argument against claims that someone who owns the media has the power to leverage their popularity damn
Hey folks, italian here.
A few tips on "How to be a popular politician in Italy":
1. Belong to a party that never governed before.
2. Develop your campaign on extreme opinions, the more superficial the better, shout as loud as you can to better leverage on people's gut feelings instead of informed consciousness.
3. Attack your opponent instead of proposing something of your own other than incredibly shallow slogans.
4. Get elected and do nothing of what you got elected for. In fact, do nothing at all, to mantain the status quo as long as possible.
5. Keep shouting that you're doing great, that you're the best and the things you're doing are great, and do your best to hide the emptiness of your actions.
6. Hold on point 5 for as long as you can until the inevitable crumble of your popularity.
This system is so efficient that some politicians in Italy have been able to enact the full cycle multiple times.
Also sounds much better in Italian. Imagine this in German and people would have a scare.
What are your pronouns
That sound like prefect example of populism
@@tiglishnobody8750Because that's precisely what it is. Meloni is a populisy
This reminds me of the Dutch party "Forum for Democracy". Lead by a super popular guy with some very out there takes.
Now the guy walks into parliament every 3 months or so talking about aliens or saying something in Latin. He went from 12/75 seats to 2/75 seats within one election.
Did they tell you Berlusconi is dead? Maybe it's better to give it a hint, coz this will be relevant, his party gonna be reintegrated
What do you mean by 'reintegrated'
@@ldubt4494 in the main center right party, if Meloni is too extreme they are going to other parties, if she is a normal person maybe not
In my opinion, she will cannibalize it. Does Forza Italia have other charismatic and famous politicians other than Berlusconi?
@@_blank-_ Tajani is the best they have right now... it's far from being charismatic, but it's capable e famous. So.. he won't lead FI to be a major party, but he can keep it togheter.
Speaking as an italian: Lots of italian leaders start off very popular and then crash and burn. I would wait for the next election to see if she holds up her current standard of popularity. She might be a new Berlusconi in the 90s and 2000s and become the figurehead of the right for years, or she might be another Salvini or Renzi, peaking at 30 to 40 percent and then going downhill faaaast. Same for her party. It might be another 5 stars Movement, for all we know. It is early to tell
You described every single political figure in any single democracy… 😄
Yeah, but in Italy that happens within 2 years usually.
Which then leads to the government to fall.
And then again.
And again.
@@suspendedtwice4sayingrasis261not true. Berlusconi did not crash and burn fast, most recent US presidents did not crash and burn fast (most got re-elected), Merkel lasted a fucking millennia in power, and the list goes on
As an Italian I would agree with your statement. She will crash like Renzi, Berlusca and other leaders. There was a sketch about elections in the EU, it explains why the popularity is high in Italy...hint, its something I am ashamed of.
Quite agree. But Berlusconi is a scam through and though which Meloni is definitely not.
Honestly, I don't regard those polls as representetive as they are intended to be, I think Meloni is really popular in Italy right now (more than what it's shown to be), a lot of people that didn't vote for her at the last elections now would and those that did vote for her continue to give her support (which is impressive given that when someone starts governing usually looses popularity).
The only problem she has are the other members of her party, a lot are under qualified and did not do the rebranding you mentioned
Same, the polls are wrong.
Nobody voted for her in my city.
@@Baktrianostons voted for her where I live.... And definitely you know everyone's vote in you city 😂😂😂
Guy the polls cannot be wrong at least not by a lot it's statistics.
@alessandrof.6546 the pools and statistics exists..... Then you aren't considering that the same people also hear what schlein wants to do: no agreements with any north african country even the ones did by them in the past.....
Semmai è il contrario, oltretutto è il governo con meno voti della storia repubblicana. Il partito ha vinto le elezioni con il 26% dei voti, mentre i 5 stelle superarono il 30%. Ed è stata un elezione con l'astensione più alta vista in Italia, quindi in percentuale è un partito votato da pochi italiani, agli altri partiti è andata peggio ma nessuno ha un vero appoggio dal popolo italiano, quindi state parlando di un fenomeno pompato dai media e che ha avuto ascesa sociale solamente per l'ignavia degli avversari. Un fenomeno fragile.
@@Baktrianos 🤣🤣🤣 she is in a coalition... And tons of Italians don't vote..... Statistics are statistics point, your wannabe opinion doesn't count.
Guy i voted for the left, after who they put in charge and what she wants they can disappear for what I care, their official policy is betrayal now.
She just arrived, Macron was at the same rate when he arrived at power. After he needed to govern
Reaching the amount of hypocrisy of Macron and France is very hard though....
France is the definition of hypocrisy:
1 France colonize half of africa
2 France doesn't want to leave and continue printing money for Africa.
3 France push to take down Gheddafi and bomb Libya because they wanted their oil, influence in the region and also Gheddafi (while he was definitely a terrible dictator not saying otherwise) had a plan to replace the French money in Africa with the money he got selling oil (expecially to Italy) to make African countries more self sufficient. (was it realistic as a plan? Don't know but still).
Italy had agreements with Libya in regards to migrants, trade and was even paying billions directly into Libyan infrastructure as payment for colonization, in exchange Gheddafi agreed to limit migrants.
4 by doing that they cause a massive migration crysis to Italy.
5 they sent their military at the border with Italy to stop migrants from crossing and they go crazy if one ship arrive in France. And they sent their military to hunt and expell migrants in Mayotte.
6 they accuse Italy and Italians of being not Humane enough 🤣🤣 and continue to attack Italy in regard to migrants.
And France together with Obama are one main direct cause of the rise of Meloni in the first place.
I dare you to find one country that is a hypocrite as France... and no wonder Italians don't want to take it anymore from Macron....
And how do you explain the unpopular Olaf Scholz?
@@msmit3669Due to people associating his leadership with Angela Merkel.
@@msmit3669 Simple. Scholz was unpopular from the get go. If the CDU picked any other candidate but Laschet, Scholz wouldn't have won. Simple as that. He's your average 20-25% approval second best guy, who happened to reach these peak 25% rigth in the week of the election and never was this popular again. He's more of a bureaucrat kind of guy that people don't wnat in the first row, but they happened to prefer him in the first row over a clown. If the elections were a month earlier he would have lost even to the most rediculous clown candidate our country has seen in its history. That's not on Scholz though. It was the CDU's fault that they picked a clown to lead them. If they picked anyone who could be taken even the least bit serious, Scholz would have lost.
@@Vatnik_tschistilka The CDU still rules Europe anyway with that corrupt Von der Leyen.
I will never understand how can everyone fall for the "I'm not like other politicians!" trick... -_-
But this time for real!
@@Chrissy717 its never is, just choose someone u think represent ur view and willing to work for those and be done with it.
What's that song "we won't be fooled again?". Can't remember the name.
Edit wow I actually remembered the name. (Won't get fooled again)
I'm one of you! Really!
To not be like other politicians you must not treat politics as a popularity contest. That makes it extremely unlikely you'll get elected, so naturally that's the rarity in our societies.
It’s unfair to compare Meloni to Conte and Draghi; sure, they were popular, but they were being boosted by the Covid-era “rally around the leader” phenomenon too.
Tbh they aere popular cuz of they fact thst for the better or the wordt they actually kept coherent with her ideas and actually helped the italian econmy and people unlike Giorgia who since she's got in power has done shit other then some petty talks with tunisia and some poland style whining at the eu. She isnt even coherent as she is practically soing the same shit the said conte and Draghi governaments did
@@ruskygelovich5469 Exactly this: and that is why Salvini and Renzi are in the gutter. They change ideas depending on whats popular at the moment every 15 minutes. How can you trust a politician who only says what you want to hear, and then act at his own convenience?
@@seejur Meloni also changes her mind, look at immigration.
dearest....you hardly know the Italian people. Do you think they cannot tell the difference between a Goldman SACHS Banker and a woman who has been in politics since she was in high school? Come on
Agree. Italians actually hate technocrats, for example they hated Monti gov
I especially like the definition of Draghi "the grown-up in the room"
God I miss Draghi, he was the only chance of a better Italy, someone who was COMPETENT and had INTEGRITY, too bad characters like that don’t make it far in Italian politics.
It's one thing to tell people what they want to hear. It's another thing actually doing what you promised. The Conservatives in Britain have been promising to reduce immigration in manifestos for the past 13 years and infact its gotten worse. Its not a surprise they will lose the next elections
Ignorance played a bigger role there eh? It never pays off
Unfortunately no one else is going to decrease immigration, labour want more of it which is 🤮🤮🤮 and I don’t like conservatives cos their posh money grubbing bastards, who tf am I gonna vote for next election, there is no middle ground inbetween labour and conservative
Immigration was never higher
Any chart will show you a high uptick
@@lucadesanctis563 ??
@@lewis123417it’s got worse because Tories have intentionally created a huge backlog to keep their narrative of uncontrolled immigration. Immigration is necessary for 1st world countries with huge global economies, how can people (like you) not know this 🤦♂️
As an Italian political science student, great analysis! This channel is a goldmine for me, especially now that I'm studying brexit and Eu law
If she keeps making pro-immigration statements her popularity will drop.
Well ofc, the silent majority around Europe knows the truth
I wish this were true. She is racist, like many Italians. It's sad, but true.
@@briton3851 You're definitely not silent.
@@briton3851silent majority= bunch of alt right pipeline teens
@@briton3851 Indeed. Immigration is being sold as a way to pay pensions... but it is more often a way to reduce salaries and, thus, to keep corporate profits high. Neither the "natives" nor the displaced immigrants end up being happy with this and the economy only seems to be growing because of the resulting increase in housing prices.
The swedish former Prime minister Magdalena Andersson has an approval rating of 50%, a drop from the peak of about 55% a year ago. Remarkably she would have crushed it in thia competition had she not been ousted this past election.
She was only PM for a year and didn't have to deal with any real crises during her term. If her coalition had won the last election we don't know what her rating would be at the moment.
@@Theorimlig I highly disagree, both the Russian invasion and the energy crises happened on her watch. As well as a persistent issue with violent crime, which peaked during her year in office.
While the war might've have given her a boost as a result of a "rally around the flag"-effect it could also have caused trouble, say, as in Germany.
@@linusminus3 Reminder violent crime was direct result of left wing political groups policies regarding to immigration.
@@linusminus3Its also an effekt of how poorly the new PM is handling the same crisis. She looks really good in comparison
@@lobaxx She was sure better at keeping up her public image and being more present in the conversation. Other than that I don't really know what else could be done. It's mostly outside of the PM:s control.
Although the promised payouts after the high energy prices was a mistake from the beginning, making a promise you know you can't keep and then rejecting that the promise was ever made. This current Quran-crisis would surely have been tricky for Andersson as well. Although a bit easier without SD in her parliamentary support.
Regardless of personality or policy, leaders tend to be more popular when people think things are going well and less popular when people think they're not
Gotta love how they say 'unlike Berlusconi' even though he's literally dead
@@Wes12940 I guess, since I think him and Forza Italia were pretty inseparable.
Who know Berlusconi was the Italian lecherous mummy.
Giuseppe Conte is not a technocrat, he was elected with the five stars movement in 2018 and he has been their leader since 2021
lo contano come tecnocratico perché fu chiamato da esterno perché Salvini e Di Maio non trovavano accordo sul primo ministro. era un semplice avvocato. probabilmente si può dire che è diventato politico dal 2021 quando è diventato segretario del m5s al passaggio al governo Draghi
Conte si è iscritto al partito nel 2021
@@ChristianIceguai a te Christian airte guai a te
THIS IS FAKE NEWS, HE'S A TECHNOCRAT, HE WAS A LAWYER AND PROFESSOR NOT A POLITICIAN, HE WAS APPOINTED JUST TO COMPROMISE BETWEEN 5 STARS AND LEGA!
@@ChristianIce ok ma era il loro candidato a ministro della giustizia nel 2018
when erdogan first elected in turkey he also softened his far right ideas and created a western politician profile but by the time he got more power he went back to his far right policies he even changed the presidential system to french presidential system which meloni wants to. long story short i hope italy wont share the same destiny with turkey but the beginning of their story looks pretty familiar to me.
Not sure about anything else, she’s a firm supporter of Ukraine, I was pretty impressed by her speech
We've already seen this movie ("outsider politician who spoke what have in mind") in US and here in Brazil. Spoiler: It goes very bad.
no, it doesn't....... if that didn't happen, the globalist antichrists like Hillary Clinton would be at the wheel...... Trump is the best thing that could happen to world politics....... soon, the EU will get abolished too...... each country belongs to its people, not a few greedy cunts at BlackRock
Bolsonaro já era político há anos
@@XZ1. Exactly, just like Giorgia. That's why their history is the same. They present themselves as "outsiders" when in fact they have been in the game for decades.
Should've seen Berlusconi in '94 and Salvini for all the last decade
slovakia as well. all we got from it was as incompetent, narcissistic man trying to navigate us through covid (which happened just as he entered office). it was a complete disaster.
That's why I love our system in Switzerland. We don't have a ruling party or president. We have a parliament and the people of Switzerland. The system is slow but very stable.
Can you annex France?
Please colonize us and export your system. It's to selfish to keep it all to yourselves
Annex Italy plz. We bring food, u bring administration
@@lucadesanctis563 ha ha.. deal!
Please annex Turkey, we will pay for your every expenditure.
I think you missed the point. Italian GDP , after more than a decade of crisis, is finally growing again, outclassing most of the European comparables. I think Meloni is harvesting the work done by Draghi, and only time will tell if she’s doing a good job. On the other side the alternatives to Meloni are simply embarrassing.
@@Besthinktwice My least hated option
That's always the way. People don't understand the lag time between policy implementation and the effects actually paying off (or the damage, as the case may be), and so often give the credit or blame to the wrong people.
L’economia Italiana cresceva perché Draghi era competente ed affidabile, la Meloni non lo è ( a prescindere dalla sua ideologia, nulla di ciò che ha promesso l’ha fatto, anzi spesso ha fatto l’esatto opposto) quindi boh.
Thank you for the reasoned response.
I was saying this for years. Of course many extreme leaders are winning, while more moderate ones are losing popularity. People have actual problems, they don't care if the right wing or the left wing is in the government, as long as those problems are solved.
I think that nowadays the left has became too woke to actually solve anything and the moderate left and right are so into political correctness that they can't even dare to point the problems in the first place.
It is icredible how Communication affects Politics
As an Italian, I am still waiting for her to do something for right-wing voters (that is not an tax amnesty) instead of doing something against left-wing voters.
She is behind the agreements with Tunisia to stop migrants, you cannot blame her for what is behind her control but for what she does and she is doing. Also you aren't considering that a lot of the people that vote for her don't agree with her on several things they just vote against the left.......
@@Doge811 Is there's even a left wing party in Italy? The PD is a neoliberal mess.
She doesnt care about you, only about the rich Oligarchs who control italy.
She’s a puppet like the rest. Recently she said Italy needs more immigrants
She straight up lied about her immigration policy
The fact that this came out the same day as people started manifesting against her recent unemployment benefit change is hilarious
Although it must be said that the strongest supporters of the "reddito di cittadinanza" benefit are largely voters of opposing parties like 5 Stars.
Not saying that no unemployed FI voter will be pissed about no longer receiving a cheque to sit home (or do illegal tax-free work while cashing the benefits), but it isn't something promoted by her party that she is changing.
The RdC is not an unemployment benefit
@@ROMANTIKILLER2The Reddito di Cittadinanza Is NOT an unemployment integration benefit but just a subsidy for low income families. That said, it's astonishing how we still consider thieves people who work as exploited employees but still not reaching 1500€ a month (not even with the RdC)!
Mediaset waged such a strong propaganda that I even know workers who are pissed off that there are people under the line of poverty who are helped because "being helped by the government is for lazy people". They brainwashed them into thinking that it's their fault so they can exploit them to death while all these corrupted employers and politicians drive bugattis and don't even go to work, stealing all the money or our labor
With the same money they re-established the annuities for ex-senators, people who don't even fucking work anymore!
The issue is that nobody understands even why poverty exists because they are all rich and corrupted in that parliment. This is why people in the south don't vote, the only ones represented and who are authorised to have an actual political career are rich northern Italian white men or corrupted people in general, while us Sicilians are basically mass migrating to other places
Rdc was a pension for young lazy people (of course I am exaggerating, but not so much)
@@Nome_utente_generico Most people who were benefiting of the RdC were either poor workers or old people
I love how Meloni fangirled for Vox in Spain and Vox tanked 600 thousand votes and 19 seats in parliament
In the spainish election nothing changed really, beside some vox voters moved to the Conservatives. Probably because they seem safer and have become much more right wing in their rhetoric of late.
In otherwords most parties are shifting to the right wing but for voters, for now, vox shifted too much rightward.
Sanchez deliberately chose a snap election when very large numbers of Spaniards were on holiday away from home therefore less likely to vote than if they were at home - per AP "The date chosen for the early election comes in the middle of Spain’s summer holiday period, with many people likely to be away from their voting areas." These absentees would be weighted heavily toward PP and Vox voters. Although turnout was very good, it would likely have been much higher if it hadn't been in the middle of holiday season and we can expect the PP and Vox votes to have been quite a bit higher. It was a clever strategy by Sanchez, although undemocratic to suppress the right wing vote.
I automatically think of the American news outlet and wonder why on earth Meloni would like them
@@jamesevans1890 In most other countries middle class people, ie those who can afford to go on holiday, have a preponderance to vote left/liberal, while those who cannot vote right-wing. It is peculiar that this should be the other way round in Spain.
Hope you are right. And hope that it will replicate in my own country (Portugal), which had a far-right dictatorship for an even longer period (48 years). It's pure childishness to vote on a bunch of jerks, just because you don't like the guys that are in office.
She said she would do something about illegal immigration and she is now doing something indeed. Very serious and tough conversations especially with Tunisia are being initiated by her. And the results will come sooner or later. She has a consistent personality and clear direction and her stance on the issue is quiet rational. She is voicing what other europeans are not expressing clearly I feel.
But these small wins are fairly easy ones and populist in nature. She will have to pass the economy exam and nail it before sementing herself as a respected and positvely viewed EU leader. She is fairly new to her position and if the economy in Italy continues to suffer, she will not remain as popular as she is now.
Populism is a fuel that burns intensely but runs out fast. Something else will then be needed.
Supporting Tunisia's human rights abuses and dispossessing lgbtq parents of their legal guardianship, very rational and well balanced.
Me expressing myself as a European: She can go f herself and her upside-down idol.
It's Draghi who is behind her economic policies. She's literally just another puppet of the oligarchy.
Yep...she will eventually be booted out and then they will elect another tough talker on immigration who will do nothing, and be booted out in turn. This is a neverending cycle.
She lied about immigration. She is an employee of the WEF and so far has increased the ethnic cleansing of italians
She is pure populist and dangerous.
Conte was not a technocrat, he was chosen by 5 Stars as the PM of 2 governments. So much so that he's now the 5 Stars leader. Technocrat govs are such because (almost) all parties, despite their claimed incompatibilities, support such governments in the name of the 'national interest'. Amato, Dini, Letta and Gentolini were also not party leaders but they were still PMs of political governments as you correctly point out.
Conte was a lawyer he became politician after his government not before having it
@@Boretheory no pal, during the 2018 election he was openly part of the 5 stars proposed ministrial team. So despite not actually running for a seat, he had sided with them. Both governments he was head of were highly political (the most political in decades in fact one may argue).
Just in time for the video
A few misleading things:
1. Speaking of Berlusconi as if he’s still alive whereas he died over a month ago.
2. Meloni softened her position on the LGBTQ+ topic (min 7:43). This really didn‘t happen. Her government proposed a law to deligitimate LGBTQ+ families and she clearly stated in several interviews that she would not step back on this.
she needs to get tough on degeneracy and promote morals, family values and positive work ethics.
@@italianstallion9170Hello, me no like Mussolini.
@@italianstallion9170 family values = putting them in the degenerate foster care environment. nice values mate
@@inesab.5901If ppl vote this way and want to country like this,why this does bother you?
@@onetwo6926if people decide to kill somebody why does this bother you?
My dumb brain read the thumbnail as "Why Italy loves melons" and I was like, same.
We love melons, especially two big mediterranean melons
@@KaizzerI remember reading awhile ago that Italy had the smallest melons in Europe on average and UK the largest. Just some random fact that stuck in my head for some reason.
@@wertywerrtyson5529 yes, I remember that, ON AVERAGE. That's why we like our mediterranean outliers more! :P
@@Kaizzer Not since I studied statistics at university have I’ve been so intrigued to study statistical outliers 🤔
Meloni has serious melons
“Look… I’m literally the government but, trust me, I’m antigovernment”
*Against the current wind in the EU
Yea it’s called Statists vs Antistatists except the statists in question act like statists to preserve status quo
@@Boretheory then they're doing nothing effectively?
I noticed that too 😅
Nha she is against the narrative of the left and of the current EU leaders and against France which always gain support in Italy expecially if you start studying history even recent history and why things are the way they are....... Every time Macron dares to speak she will gain 1 percentage point in the pools.
Your map at 8:16 is missing southern Greece. You're a great channel, really informative!
No Cyprus either
Lmao, mfers stole the Peloponnese, can't have shit in the Balkans
She is unbeliavable... On the other hand she seems to became a good friend of van der Leyen
Before the elecion in the campain: EU sucks, Ursula Van is a dictator and a bitch.
Meloni now : me and Ursula best friend forever
Two corrupt blondes 😂
Globalist scum like the rest surely
It's not really hard - she listens to public opinion, GDP is growing properly for the first time in forever and the trains are running on time. Speaking of trains, they're now far better than Germany's current joke of a rail system. They've got some wonderful high-speed rail that's so affordable, comfortable and reliable that it was directly responsible for Alitalia going bankrupt.
But the real test is the longer term, let's check back in a couple of years to see if she maintains her popularity or crashes and burns like so many previous Italian PMs.
As many others already pointed out, the results we are seeing right now are most likely due to Draghi, not to her. Her legacy still has to show.
wut, GDP growing? most EU countries have GDP stagnant or even tiny decline (sweden -0.2%)
@@albertofuzzi7200 if she is truly skillful leader, she can make draghi's decisions 2.0 and leverage those. They seem different profile leaders (topics they talk of) so this could play out.
@@effexon i sure hope so! But, regardless of how capable Meloni might be, the remaining of her party is a bunch of inepts, half of whom are still to this day fascist, and the other believe themselves to be hobbits... If she succeed to get anything useful out of them she would do a miracle. The only one with the head on his shoulders seems to be Nordio.
Walk around any Italian train station after 8pm and find out why Italy is turning right.
The index of trust in Italy for Meloni still is around 40% , so not the majority likes her
Well her anti-immigration stance is popular not only in Italy, but also in Europe.
Because we are sick and tired of this experiment the EU has been running called mass migration. Take a look at paris burning, that is the inevitable fate of all eu countries going down the path of this “diversity” plan.
The end product of this will be a europe that is no longer europe.
Europeans upon seeing a single brown person:
_"The West has fallen millions must die"_
Europeans not be blatantly racist challenge
@@benson5296It has been too much, it's not racism
@@benson5296 we don't owe the third world a living or a place to stay. Nor will we be compelled to like its contemptible inhabitants
Meloni was in the US recently, and I found her very articulate on the issues. As a US citizen she seemed charasmatic, and Moderate to Conservative. I like her, think she's great on the world stage.
New leaders are always more popular and specially Macron has been around for way too long, being almost untouchable despite all the things that could be listed against him.
Also it's particularly true with the right, whos economic policies tend to hurt a significant part of their own voters after some time in power. I'm not sure it would be the same with Meloni since her economic politics are all over the map, but still it's not strange that she's popular so early on.
Macron seems untouchable because the opposition leaders are pretty much all clowns who keep shooting themselves in the foot. Which was part of his strategy of replacing the other "respectable" parties around the center with his own.
Reaching the amount of hypocrisy of Macron and France is very hard though....
France is the definition of hypocrisy:
1 France colonize half of africa
2 France doesn't want to leave and continue printing money for Africa.
3 France push to take down Gheddafi and bomb Libya because they wanted their oil, influence in the region and also Gheddafi (while he was definitely a terrible dictator not saying otherwise) had a plan to replace the French money in Africa with the money he got selling oil (expecially to Italy) to make African countries more self sufficient. (was it realistic as a plan? Don't know but still).
Italy had agreements with Libya in regards to migrants, trade and was even paying billions directly into Libyan infrastructure as payment for colonization, in exchange Gheddafi agreed to limit migrants.
4 by doing that they cause a massive migration crysis to Italy.
5 they sent their military at the border with Italy to stop migrants from crossing and they go crazy if one ship arrive in France. And they sent their military to hunt and expell migrants in Mayotte.
6 they accuse Italy and Italians of being not Humane enough 🤣🤣 and continue to attack Italy in regard to migrants.
And France together with Obama are one main direct cause of the rise of Meloni in the first place.
I dare you to find one country that is a hypocrite as France... and no wonder Italians don't want to take it anymore from Macron....
Right-wing economic policies actually work though. The problem would be that, like a meth addiction, leftist policies are hard and unpleasant to cure since they involve forced dependency of large sections of society and economy on the government. Which is unsustainable in the long term, hence why these things always get progressively more costly until they collapse entirely.
@@Paul-bs5wl rightwing economic policies have also proved to be unsustainable in the long term, particularly those of the laissez faire variant. Check out the Gilded Age.
Give her a few years. Meloni-chan will inevitably break the wrong one's spaghetti before cooking them, and then those polls are gonna drop like they seemingly always do in Italy.
Yeah, like trying to revoke the driver licence from 6 million italians.
what the hEll "meloni-chan"??
Meloni chan?
@@evovn5835she is a weeb and has an anime version of herself called meloni-chan
Only for a random ass party in the coalition with 2 total members withdraws from the government, taking away the majority the government needs to stand , and It all collapses.
Thought the title said 'why Italy love melon'. That is the real question here.
Italian here. Let's talk about Meloni's popularity next year, she just removed "universal income" from a lot of people... good luck with removing gifts in Italy
That universal income was paid out only to criminals and citizens in the south. Nothing to worry about.
the universal subsidy was a TERRIBLE mistake. everything which is born under an emergency and temporary measure, becomes a "right" for people. enough is enough. I don't care if the government is disbanded because of the suppression of the universal income. it has to be withdrawn, once and for all.
You had universal income? No wonder Italy can't grow it's GDP back to 2007 levels.
🤣🤣 Guy those people never voted for her in the first place..... This will gain popularity among her voters....
@@Doge811 I would not be so sure it will not impact general popularity. Lots of people will know someone impacted. Popularity is not only about people who vote for you.
She's just harvesting Mario Draghi's work, in 3/5 years we will be on the edge of the default again, but it will not be her problem because she will be gone already 😂
Belgian guy here. Europe’s permanent diplomatic summit. We may not have invented the art of compromise, but we surely perfected it like no other nation. Because we’re probably the most successful failed nation state on the planet (and owning it like bosses, Nigel F.).
Citizens in a coalition government system know very well that competent elected politicians know that it’s better to negotiate a slightly absurd political compromise so as to serve the higher good (serving the country). A healthy political life, just like a healthy life in general, is an ideal most easily striven for in a country where people know that life is always about compromising, not demonising your opponents, having the ability to see the bigger picture and not just party interest etc. The most reasonable populations can be found in coalition government countries. The more complex the system, the more moderate the people. Belgium never had a civil war in spite of having a coalition system on top of a deep economic fracture along THE European cultural and linguistic divide (Romance languages v. Germanic languages). Oh, and both cultural and linguistic communities claim Brussels (Belgium’s eternal “Jerusalem question) on the basis of historical and emotional claims. And in spite of this huge mess, not a single civil unrest the likes of The Troubles.
Compare this to the toxicity in the House of Commons, the violence, the resentment among the population etc in FPTP Britain. Of course the people who have to live in such a savage place had issues with another Monument of Fudge: the EU. The poor unfortunate souls.
So yeah I perfectly understand why Meloni is popular among the Italians: a fantastically chaotic people who someday or another steers their beautiful but dysfunctional imbroglio of a country through the waves with a level of grace and elegance those shouters in the Commons can only dream of.
France is another example of a horribly polarising political system with shouting, actual violence and an inability to compromise for the sake of the national interest. But at least they dress better than those hooligans in the Commons.
When everyone around you is acting like a crazy person. You come off as normal and reasonable.
If Mark Rutte and Ursula von der Leyen really do represent the popular european mainstream, than perhaps european project is truly unsalvagable and should be scrapped.
Mark Rutte left politics and most Europeans and Dutch did agree with his pro-EU and pro-Ukraine stance its rather that his Dutch domestic politics was a completely and utter fiasco
Tutte simps for Meloni 😂
@@GwainSagaFanChannel Hij heeft je voor de gek gehouden met die uitspraak, Rutte heeft _de nationale politiek_ verlaten (zodra hij niet meer demissionair is tenminste), maar zijn volgende functie, of dat nou bij de EU, de NATO of de WEF zelf is, wordt absoluut een politieke functie.
It's rotten to the core
I have no active memories of that.
This video is very accurate just like the other ones I watched on this channel, anyway its authors and the English speaking press in general forgot to say one thing.The Italian Social Movement, the party founded in 1946 to give continuity to fascism in the republican Italy, had undergone several mutations by the late 1970s and 1980s (such as becoming an Atlanticist party). Then it was disbanded between 1994 and 1995 to start a new party, the National Alliance. Giorgia Meloni joined the party's youth section in 1992 or 1993, when the Italian Social Movement's days were numbered. The National Alliance rejected fascism and all the previous ideological framework (its leader went to Israel to apologize for the Holocaust) and became a liberist, nationalist, conservative, anti-immigration and pro-European Union party. Around 2008, the National Alliance merged with Berlusconi's Forza Italia party. A few years later Giorgia Meloni tried to refound the National Alliance, but she did not have the rights to use that name and the former symbol, so the reborn National Alliance became Fratelli d'Italia. National Alliance and Fratelli d'Italia are the same political entity, the only difference is the strong criticism of the euro and EU economic policies that Fratelli d'Italia made a few years ago, when the context was different from that in which National Alliance acted. So between the founding of the Italian Social Movement in 1946 and the election of Meloni in 2022 the party, the ideology, Italy, Europe, the Italians and the economic situation of the country have changed. The world has changed. Continuing to associate Meloni with fascism is disregarding the changes that have taken place in the Italian politics and society. Moreover, the idea of turning Italy into a presidential republic starts from afar and has nothing to do with the insinuation, made by some, that Meloni wants to be a new fascist dictator. This proposal was formulated as early as the 1980s even by the Italian Socialist Party, has always been a workhorse of the National Alliance but has also been supported by Berlusconi's Forza Italia. And the origin lies in the constitutionally prescribed weakness of the main offices of the Italian state. The first office of the state is the president of the Republic who has few functions and little power, the second is the president of the Senate, the third is the president of the Chamber of Deputies, and the fourth is not the prime minister, because in Italy there is no prime minister, but the president of the Council of Ministers (which is the role held by Meloni). This condition terribly slows down the activity of the Italian politics, whose work is based on a continuous bouncing of laws from one Chamber to the other.
Sounds like she still holds those far right veiws but has understood that the majority of people dont and has softened her stance to get more moderate conservatives on board. If she can consolidate power or if the party stays in power for a longer period i wouldn't be surprised to see the more facist talking points make a comeback
Pretty much Le Pen's strategy for the last decade or so, except Meloni's good at it.
Conte was not a technocrat nor a politician when put in charge of the government.
We have a system where parties can pick people from outside the parliament to govern and usually that means that a technician is picked, to make sense of all the divisions in the chambers.
In the case of Conte, though, he was an outsider picked by the party with the most votes (5S) and pushed through with a minority support from Lega first, PD later. That meant that albeit unelected (not part of the parliament at the time), he was the expression of the majority party.
So yeah, in our practical definition, he was never a technician like, for example, Monti or Draghi.
Also, Meloni is a well dressed, low-key fascist. We like those in general.
unfortunately only low-key compared to open fascists
I don't get why he's not considered a technocrat?
@@_blank-_ I explained it as clearly as I could
Lol well you'd expect the birthplace of fascism to enjoy it
@@riccardo4754 What's the difference with Draghi and Monti then?
IMHO TLDR should, as a news channel, clearly indicate sponsors. After the oompth mention, I assume that Adobe is one, but I see that nowhere indicated. Leaves a bit of an aftertaste.
As a Spaniard, Italy is such a strange element. It is like a dark mirror, a window into an alternative universe in which Spain tended dramatically towards the right.
Directly into the uncanny valley. Things look similar enough, but then right under the surface, the two countries couldn't be more different with respect to social ideas.
Hasn't Spain been very unwilling to deal with its far-right (still very recent) history, and is currently moving towards the right with the conservative PP willing to form a coalition with the far-right?
you'll get there too soon, trust me
What a pity of comment is that one of yours. Since the end of Francoist Spain your beautiful country has fallen in to the hands of free masons and left-leaning capitalist lobbies, promoting all kinds of degeneracy, as in woke US states. Franco was far from perfect, but was for sure the last great statist Spain had.
I'm here literally waiting for PP to form a coalition with Vox. Spain will get there, don't worry.
@@fannishfanning160 Yeah it's weird how a Spaniard can be so misinformed when their politics is already about to shift that way, and they were literally a fascist dictatorship until somewhere in the 70's
The trees kept voting for the axe, because its handle was made of wood
Good video. Covered quite a bit. As someone who is relatively familiar with Italian politics myself. You got it pretty right on he head. Good job
Meloni is a great politician, a white fly, one who made herself... she never looked for shortcuts, she destroyed every prediction with her determination and her high values, the Italians could not fail to notice her, it was a matter of time.
A phrase of Meloni that represents her is this, "the decline is not a destiny, the decline is a choice".
Lmao she said Europe needs migrants, she still let hundreds of thousands non europeans in schegen space
I humbly slip myself out from the group hereby labeled "the Italians"
@@gudemik5335 most Italians, obviously in Italy there is strong propaganda against politicians who help the country, so there are certainly also Italians like you, who are totally conditioned by propaganda.
Wouldnt it also be important to see whos being polled? I always see polls outcomes from my own country but Ive never even seen or heard of the polling group before
As a Ukrainian, net approval rating of +60 or more is almost always a sign of having (very) bad neighbors or a fascist leader. At least I'm glad we're not the latter. So yeah, -1 is pretty good.
Glory to Ukraine🇧🇷🤝🇺🇦
You are both.
@@eslofftschubar206 Hi Putin.
@@ChrisGrump lol
You have a jew as a leader who is using white ukranians as pawns in a war to decimate you. Him and putin are on the same page about white people and getting rid of them
Well, only time will tell… but until now she’s proving her critics (and the odds) wrong.
Brilliant, articulate with a sense of direction for her people, for her country doing the right thing, revitalising the country.
Hard right, she may, but once the country has revived, citizens will thank her in time to come.
When pm meloni came to India ,every media house (left/right) loved her .
What about the center media?
@@GwainSagaFanChannel Loved her as well. Indians are socially conservative and they love conservative European politicians in general. I mean look at how Trudeau was treated by Modi and compare that with Meloni. Light years difference.
As long as you don't lecture them, Indians would love you. I can respect that.
@@Kalimdor199Menegroth using 'conservative' to describe the state of / hate in indian society is an euphemism, you literlly have fascist pogroms already and many popular TV stations promoting genocide and inciting hatred
@@midnattsol6207 No state of hate exists of Indian society. Sectarian local violence has been occurring on and off since independence. You are just grasping at straws and spread misinformation.
I appreciate Meloni too. In opposite to most right wing parties, like AFD or Le Pen, Meloni is pro EU & NATO. She picks up worries on migration and decline of Italy and entire Europe. Meloni is a symphatic person. So all together she gets very high sympathy from all over Europe.
Sympathetic unless you’re gay lmao
Bella Ciao
Breath of fresh air
@@captainplanet483Fascism is when we think ethnic replacement is bad
@@siyacer lmao what even is ethnic replacement?
Through all human history people of different ethnicities have been migranting across the globe
8:15 Looks like Cyprus, Malta, The Balearic Islands, Corsica, Sardinia and most of Greece disappeared from the map.
It sure helps that the media suddenly stopped reporting all of the asylum seekers arriving in Italy, despite them being way way less when Meloni was not the PM...
Because people have the iq of a sheep and belive that somehow she can control how many people land.... But wait when salvini said that he stopped migrants it wasn't true but instead now the opposite is true....
remember this is Italy, give Meloni another year then check her popularity
I'm not Italian but I love her very much
I was actually surprised on how equilibrate Meloni is. I didn t expect it. Considering the press when she was elected I thought she d be the next Mussolini but nah, she s actually ok and I am not on the right mostly except for economy.
Keep in mind that the government TV is in the hand of the left. The largest newspaper's "La Repubblica" stocks were held by the left party (PD) for a long time. The left has the ability to divulge propaganda easily.
If only we had mussolini back.
@@like31000 ok, nice bait
@@rain-cy6ve what bait?
You know nothing of Mussolini then
I'm fascinated by the idea of the anti-government government official. How does it even work?
Answer for this is alternative goverment.
it works slightly different every time.
in Meloni's case, i believe, you'd have to look at the last 10 or so years of the left coalition.
ever since the economic crisis of 2009-2010 the left coalition spearheaded by the Democratic Party started playing the part of the responsible one, forcing unpopular choices on the people during rather troublesome times with unspecified promises of a better outcome further down the line, just because it was the right thing to do, often hinging on a moral compass that clearly wasn't resonating with a large portion of the population.
from that moment on, no matter the outcome of an election (if there was any) the Democratic Party found a way to get back into government even if it didn't win, out of this "responsible choice" mantra: remember how it's said in the video that given the nature of the italian electoral law it's pretty difficult to have numbers big enough to govern steadily, so the winners are often forced into alliances? well, the Democratic Party was almost always there, backing things like austerity, immigration without compromises, higher taxes, saving banks with public money and such, so it cemented in people's minds as the establishment party, who doesn't care about the people as much as maintaining the existent power structure and the status quo.
Meloni on the other hand, presented herself as the underdog, riding the coattails of her party being the only opposition during the Draghi government, which represented a very polarising time in the country history, given how that was the time of the covid vaccination plan campaign.
also, some of the youth that gravitates towards her, seems to enjoy her being anti-woke to some extent (lately the Democratic Party started to embrace some woke instances directly from the USA, and to be honest those don't seem to work very well with the vast majority of italian people. maybe some young italian netizens might put their pronouns in their bio, but the bulk of Italy doesn't even know what that stuff is all about, and if some of those items become part of the public discourse they'll deem it gibberish).
so basically what you have is people being mostly tired of an ever more bourgeois looking left that had a chance to do something good for the country in the last 10 or so years of governing one way or another and yet didn't deliver, and a right wing leader that presents herself as a more socialist option than the left.
the way i see it, she catered to the usual right wing voters, to the frustrated left wing voters and to everyone who, for various reasons, was not happy about how the country was governed during covid.
Ask the guy in this video! He came up with this nonsense 😂
I am a German Conservative and I support Meloni, because she implements liberal economic policies, a necessary, but usually unpopular thing. However she stays popular because of her nationalist rhetorics, while not really implementing radical nationalist agenda, but rather adopting to the EU and NATO. This brings a good result.
"German conservative"
you mean you kissed Angela Merkels ass for 10+ years.
Italian people will tell you the "good results" in the next 2 years. Speaking is easy.
Today it is much easier for German conservatives to be against any military support from German government to Ukraine but it was "conservatives" Who started a war and ended up in an divided and surrendered Germany which can't refuse millitary support today to Ukraine.
She's really smart, there's no doubt about that
As Italian I approve her so much that I migrated with a one way ticket a long time ago (hopefully never to return)
I'm sure that everyone that payed for your education, taxes and government spending included, as little as it might be, are very happy with this result.
Be sure to eventually come back and fight with the rest of us to fix this mess of a country, which is still getting messed up more and more
@@SteevLaw6you cant fix democracy it doesn’t work
@@russell6075 lol OK what are you advocating for?
The good thing about the globalization it is that nowadays we can easily emigrate , according to the Index of economic freedom by the Heritage Foundation created by Ronald Reagan and Margaret Thatcher to promote the values of capitalism Italy is 57th country that follows more the free market policies of capitalism.
Did you emigrate to a country that follows more Karl Marx socialist economic policies like Cuba or Venezuela or to a country that follows more Ronald's and Maggie's capitalist policies like Ireland or Denmark ?
@@SteevLaw6 yes my parents and myself. We are happy indeed.
If you want to learn about popularity, look at El Salvador's president Nayib Bukele who has 90% approval ;)
Your video suggests Berlusconi is part of Meloni's coalition. He died last month, so unless she's re-recruited him from beyond the grave I don't think he is any longer!
It's not like he can refuse
Actually a new poll has her at 57% popularity with only 41% disapproval. So if you think the poll you used is a good rating... I believe the poll I cited as all the evidence and facts support it.
Ma che cazzo dici? Ma quando mai, scrivi il link del sondaggio.
@@lanausea1335 Dico qual e la verita. Il sondaggio e il Pew Research Poll, che e una societa di sondaggio piu grande e affidabile di quella utilizzata qui in questo video. E stato pubblicato sei giorni fa. Non collego niente. Vai a cercarlo, ci vogliono dieci secondi.
For English speakers, the poll I was asked about is the Pew Research Center which is a far better poll than what is used in this video, to my knowledge. It was put out 6 days ago. So if he thinks Meloni's numbers are really good in the poll he uses, look at how much better she is actually doing than that. There is a 16% spread favorable to unfavorable.
@@marcocarlson1693 It's Italian politics. The US from WWII to the modern day has had 13 presidents including Joe Biden. The Italians by contrast have had almost 70 governments in the same time frame. Give her another year and reevaluate then.
@@petesperandio Yes, of course I know that. Pretty crazy by comparison. However, I can tell you this For Sure. She will be in office as long as she wants to be, and that Law allows. The only good thing about Italy's system is they can kick a guy out at anytime. Think there are a few people in the U.S. that wish they could kick Biden out, and other President's in the past too. But they can't. See, in Italy the people run the country, they really do, and not the politicians exactly. In the U.S. people feel hopeless, and can't do anything. So, there is a good and bad for both.
Italy loves leaders until they don't.
Its almost like lying through your teeth about a person you don't like not only doesn't pay off, but makes you blind to the obvious answer of "she's not Mussolini"
She wishes she was.
@@ChrisGrump and this attitude is exactly why this topic is worth even being made. Have you considered that the idea she is a fascist is false?
@@ChrisGrump considering that Mussolini killed less people than America only in iraq.... But Italians killed mussolini and appended him in the centre of Milan..... The Americans people responsible are still there living happily and rich....
Who care what she wants or think she cannot instaurate dictatorship it's impossible, even vice interviewed a political analyst that almost laughed when asked if fascism will come back...... It's just that leftist belive everything the right wing does is fascist and right wing belive everything the left does is communism 😑😑😑
@@EnclaveEmily She is a fan of Mussolini and was in the MSI. The fact, that naive people like you are actually allowed to vote is mindblowing.
Probably 2 main reasons :
1) She’s filling the demand for defending conservative values without going full racist fascist
2) She has a degree of honesty about her policies n doesn’t try to serve the establishment at the expense of the ppl like Macron
She's serving the establishment at the expense of the people by slashing social security benefits.
@@_blank-_ here comes the Napoletano
without going full racist fascist? she literally annulled birth certificates of children of same sex parents
She's definitely more presentable and smarter than some fascists but don't get confused, she IS one.
@@ahslanabanana based
For a quick answer on why Meloni is so appreciated in Italy: first of all she is a woman, which makes her automatically perceived as more empathetic towards the needs of the population (in some way, more "maternal", compared to bureaucrats of Brussels); then she is young, which leads her to be approved by all that fringe of young neoconservatives, neotraditionalists and young patriots, who see in her a protagonist and an instrument to renew the right-wing tradition of the country, generally (both the right and the left in truth), in Italy, in the hands of the old guard, that is, on the right, the first entrepreneurs of the economic boom of the 50s-70s and the treacherous heirs of the fascist party and, on the left, the ex-partisans, the bloody pro-brigade communists and the sixty-eighters, the Marxist ideologues and the dusty socialist bureaucrats; Meloni is also a simple and charismatic leader: she is perceived as part of the people; finally, perhaps instead of her extremely right-wing past, a past that she was able to "let go of" in favor of moderation, she is seen as more reliable and more, indeed, moderate, more favorable to dialogue. For the moment Meloni seems to be "holding up", although sometimes the government "creaks"... we'll see: for us it is premature to draw conclusions now; History will judge.
I find it interesting that Europe is becoming more right leaning (despite normally being more left leaning than America) and America is becoming more left leaning (despite normalcy being more right leaning than Europe). Though Europe is still far more liberal than America on economic issues and these shifts are really only on social issues. But definitely interesting.
Italy is my favorite European country but I’m also very progressive leaning and I was worried when Meloni took power but I guess we should not jump to conclusions yet. I’m American and I hope the best for my county and the rest of the world including Italy.
(Sorry for the long post):
the Italian right is different from American right. We have two right. Liberal right (kinda like the Republicans), and Social Right (post-fascist): they are patriotic nationalists but socialists (in fact Italy was then called RSI: Italian Social Republic. The video mentioned the name of the post Mussolini party, MSI: Italian Social Movement.
Mussolini's fans always bragged about that he created the welfare state, pensions, and free homes for veterans, widows, and orphans.
Don't use liberal that way when talking about european countries, because it means a different things. If you want to talk about liberal as in "the libs", say "progressive".
@@Nome_utente_generico I’m sure everyone would support those things. And besides Mussolini was pretty evil
She plays the blame game with their terrible economy and demographics and that always sells
The blame of France is 100000% founded for anyone who knows history, even some people from the left have said the same things..... And all asked the French to fu*k off and mind their own business after what they did....
She is female Erdoğan
She is more popular in India than in 🇮🇹 Italy
Given Italy’s track record, I give her 9 more months
My 2 cents: i didn't vote for her, I wasn't terrified by her like some people in the far left, but I didn't like her either.
I was surprised by her standing for Ukraine despite being an unpopular position in italy, and in general by her international behavior. I like her in this regard.
I also like her for not giving in to fiscal populist, considering the state of our finances.
It seems that she (like many before her) promised to her voters to be a candy (wo)man, but then she turned into a dentist. I mean, I am glad she did, but it seems like in italy you have to promise people popular (but self destructing) policies, and then you just rule and do what you have to do to not destroy the country.
😂 parole giuste, in italia dai pane e circo e il popolo è contento. Tanto nessuno capisce un cazzo di politica.
Being popular is not an asset. Being a good leader is an asset. Unfortunately one cannot be found in EU and US
She’s not a puppet for the WEF. That’s practically unheard of!
She is sadly. She also stands with israel and also has increased immigration instead of slowing it down. She is a globalist puppet
Lmao you wate the WEF probably only because youre antisemetic. If you love capitalism, you love the WEF. Its that simple
Italy's popular leader. ❤❤❤❤
She seems honest. Does things that she promised. Why wouldn't people like her.
She's "definitely not a fascist"
Too bad she hasnt done a signle crap of what she promsied other than strip away people of their universal minimum wage and letting immigrants die in thr sea and off the coast of italy. The few "successes" she had were all results of previous governaments policies that she litteraly was against. She is as superficial and populist as the rest of most of the italian parties. If she has any succes is probably cuz the opposition sucks ass and the parties thst should eb diammetrally against Meloni are quite litteraly the most centrist compromisers in the whole parlament lol
@@spe3dy744How is she a fascist. Please explain
Does what she promised?? Let's look at what she said about immigration and what she DOES... oooooppssss
@@joaoluis7497 Blud she litteraly was part of neo fascist organizations and even now that she is in power she clearly tries to avoid to discuss the fascist past of italy. On the 25th of April, the day of the liberation of italy from the fascists and nazists she bot only called it the "day the allies ovchpird all of italy" (wich is also historically inaccurate) but also discretited the partisan movement (that was for the most part made of communists) litteraly ignoring the ateocities commited by the fascists but also cherry picked "massacres" made by the partisans (they litteraly rounded up and killed fascist loyalists)
She’s popular because her coalition appeals to old people, and guess what Italy has plenty of? We youths have virtually no say on politics here, we are consistently outvoted on every matter
Good. I myself am a youth, and 80% of people my age from whatever Western nation have no idea how the world or their country works.
@@Paul-bs5wl yeah and neither do the vast majority of uneducated boomers that vote. besides democracy doesn't care about knowledge, everyone should have a voice regardless of their expertise in politics because that's what politicians are there for
@@Paul-bs5wlYou must know a lot of dumb young people then. Here, the old generations only spew nonsense about traditions and outdated values, things that have no use anymore in a country.
Young people should vote before to criticize, almost 50% of them remain at home in the last elections
Ma se c'erano i 5 stelle al governo. Ma di cosa si lamenta?
Random fact: Mussolini’s granddaughter is in parliament and her son is a professional football player.
Wasn't the granddaughter offended when some US celebrity made a joke about Mussolini's hanging picture? Imagine getting upset at a joke about the death of a fascist dictator, regardless if they're family.
She may have run as a far right candidate, but she has made nothing but common sense moves to keep the integrity of her country intact. Despite the merits and humaneness of migration, it's pitfalls have shaken many countries to move way to the right in recent years. Countries that struggle to integrate immigrants successfully look at a country like France and the population wants none of it. She is a true patriot of her country and the people see this.
Even leaders that failed but were clearly patriots have popular ratings that are high.
If MSM has an opinion, a large number of sane people immediately become skeptical. I like Meloni, nationalism & populism, with a sober view of broken migration system, plus a willingness to uphold foundational democratic principles & cooperate with allies.
I just spent a week in Milan and every young person i spoke to dislikes her so it's interesting to look at the demographics
I'm french and i can tell you that Macron is very unpopular. Probably the least loved and most divisive president of our 5th Republic. The next president is likely to be right-wing conservative or even far-right. It's not impossible given the resentment of the french over insecurity, violence and poorly managed immigration in this country.
By the way, love Italy our latin brothers 🇮🇹 ❤ 🇫🇷
"poorly managed immigration", yes, poorly managed over decades of right-wing goverments, who never put any effort to integrate them and offer better life perspective, and also socialists who did nothing different or very little. Macron is behaving exactly like every right-wing government of the past, if not worse. Marine le Pen is just the natural persecution of this politics, she's not really different to what you have today. And it's possible that when she will take power, someone Zemmour-like will say that she's too weak so he will take over in polls, and so on and so on, bringing politics even more in the right-wing, without ever solving any problem. Ps I'm italian, and we've the very same situation.
About 1/2 Meloni's support is from people like my mother-in-law. She doesn't know anything about policy except she dreams of the Italy of the 60s-70s when she was young, the economy was chugging along, and the only diversity she had to think about was the annoying family from Naples in the building. Meloni gives a vibe of being fresh and young while also promising a return to a rose-colored past. Rather than actually constructing a FdI time machine, she just goes after red meat issues (e.g., hammering same sex parents). In time, people will get annoyed and it will be PD's turn again. Italian politics - lather, rinse, repeat.
There is something very likable about Meloni
TL;DR: "Oh no, she's hot."
I remember all the brexthickers in the Unicorn Kingdom thought Meloni was gonna attack the EU. But she has proved not to be as dumb as the English. Picking unnecessary fights with the EU is exactly that - unnecessary.
TLDR spilling more salt than ever