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What's the best & worst 2D Dreamworks Movie?
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0:50 Prince of Egypt
6:55 The Road To El Dorado
12:58 Joseph King of Dreams
17:34 Spirit: Stallion of the Cimarron
24:26 Sinbad Legend of the Seven Seas
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What's the best & worst 2D Dreamworks Movie? Thanks to What The Cheick for the voice assistance: ruclips.net/channel/UC3WkV-eS71Qlj_quMakg65Q MIGHT Take a break after this vid. Wanna work on art. This vid was a lot on me
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Your a poopoo head
@@bennjie_normal1409 *you're
lol
@M3AN SHAO it's shit. Because it's repetitive
RebelTaxi
Please review classic Ben 10! Such an underrated series with great art, music designs and characters.
It doesn't get much attention nowadays and I'm interested in your thoughts on it
“The Prince of Egypt deserves to be known as one of the best animated films of all time”
Slight correction:
“One of the best films of all time”
Well said, stranger.
Yeah it was better than Lion king.
100% agree. The Prince of Egypt is my favorite movie of all time.
Dident like it
YES YES I AGREE ! It's one of my favourite films and some of the best animation to exist
Edit: And the music from the score to the musical numbers is a favourite soundtrack of mine and is epic in every way
I love how The Road to El Dorado gave equal amounts of Fanservice to the male and female characters. There’s all the shots of Chel’s massive butt, and Miguel and Tulio get shirtless scenes.
More movies could learn from that. It's fun! Equality!
My bi awakening lol
But for real that skinny-dipping scene 😍
Ahmad and skeleton They want both male and female audiences to Jack off.
It's almost as sexual as Spirit: Stallion of the Cinnamon
It's almost as sexual as Spirit: Stallion of the Cinnamon
Now hold up there, Moses didn’t hate his brother. There is literally a whole song about how he wish he didn’t have to fight his brother on this.
"And even now
I wish that God had chose another
Serving as your foe on his behalf
It's the last thing that I wanted"
Prince of egypt had the best music and songs plus artwork.
He didn’t want to hate his brother but they were enemies because of their beliefs. It’s not the same hate that we expect it’s a more complicated hate that makes us hate ourselves .
@@newtyfruityaudreythomas4014
He did not hate Rameses.
There's a scene of Moses crying for the death of his nephew along with the other death's.
Moses is angry because Rameses stubbornness and pride rule over the safety of the people and children caught in the crossfire.
@@user-sp2jg9rx8r exactly, it’s a hate for what he’s doing but not the actually person. Like when someone close to you decides to do hard drugs and ruins their life, you love them with all your heart but hate what they are doing. I wish there was a word for that kind of relationship
Man, imagine the world where DreamWorks kept that "We make the animated movies Disney won't" aspect to them. I'd love if it they put out more serious animated movies, the American market is utterly starved for major films like that. Not explicitly sexual or gratuitously violent or anything like that, but more of a "We're telling serious stories and we're not promising a comedy here" kind of vibe.
I always imagine they make movies about classic literature like Les Miserables and Macbeth or grand folk adventures like Journey to the West and other Arabian Nights stories. Those would be perfect for Dreamworks to raise the Bar on Animation
Jeffrey Katzenberg said in making of Sinbad that they are trying to make these films for "adults and the adult in every child" and I think that sums up the tone of some of there earlier work pretty well.
@@jalopy3574 Agreed, I also thought that with Prince of Egypt and Joseph King of Dreams it would be interesting for them to adapt more Bible stories and see what they do with them.
What about how to train your dragon
@@skibot9974 Yes that, and the Kung Fu Panda films.
The Prince of Egypt is honestly one of the most beautiful movies I've ever seen.
The Prince of Egipt > The Lion King
HappyOrange the correct spelling was.. right there..
Mine too bro one of the best 2D flims ever from any major studio The Price Of Egypt is so good Val Klimar does a great job as Moese and God. Is Joseph a prequel to The Prince of Egypt?
@@EMB. Yes, all of the story of Joseph predates the Exodus.
I actually hate the fact that I mostly watched Disney movies as a kid, the only Dreamworks movies I watched were Shrek, Shark Tale and Kung Fu Panda. Dreamworks is WAYY better than Disney imo.
If Spirit can somehow get a Netflix comeback a decade after the fact, there's no reason El Dorado can't too lol
But Spirit at least made its money back, the other two are dead in the eyes of the studio. There was even an interview where Katzenberg (the biggest pusher of 2D at the time) that said Spirit was their last 2D movie, when in fact it was Sinbad. Kinda like how Disney refuses to acknowledge The Black Cauldron as their first film with CG animation, giving that honor to the next one, The Great Mouse Detective.
@@Igorcastrochucre But Sinbad is amazing, is weird how dark that movie is because the first time I saw 8t was on RUclips and I saw it because 1. It was in Spanish (and with a really good VA) and 2. Because it was frequently on my recommendations for a long time.
El Dorado was actually on Netflix for a while in the US, it go taken down like a year or so ago.
I'd be afraid for them too. The Spirit reboot looks aimed at really young kids and it looks really different from the original movie. I dont want The Road To El Dorado ruined.
@@Igorcastrochucre True, but Road to El Dorado has developed a following over the years, and today there's more of an audience for animated programs aimed at older audiences. I think a series has potential.
*Fun fact:* Spirit was going to be a much darker film than it ended up being. The titular horse would have been captured, tamed, and then passed around to gradually worse owners until he ends up in a coal mine where he and a few other horses get trapped and slowly die, never seeing their homeland again.
Yes... *Really.* Apparently it was so grim that the filmmakers started referring to it as "Schindler's Horse."
"maybe slavery wasn't so bad"
That's what the Hebrews said to Moses.
"Have fun stomping around the desert for the next 40 years!"
@@mr.dystopian5554 Shouldn't have joined into the golden idol cult, eh
yeaahhhh wait till decades later and see how that goes heh heh heh yeeeaash
@@RockerMicke1 If they portray American Slavery in the same way they did here; that director/writer will get cancelled faster than the Clerks animated series
But they were very clearly portrayed as the crazy ones and they eventually join moses
R.I.P. Early 2000s when DreamWorks Animations were braver and bolder than Disney, though not all their works and efforts got appreciated well.
Definitely.
It really is a tragedy that Dreamworks didn't continue producing traditionally animated films. Every single one of them that were made were, at minimum, good. Besides, the quality of the animation is f***ing astounding. Disney is fantastic at character animation and designs and all, but the visuals of 2D Dreamworks films are unbelievable.
@@pupville1055 ikr the animation is so good
Also 2000s Disney had some pretty great 2D films like Treasure Planet, Lilo and Stitch, The Emperor’s Mew Groove. Sadly they all failed at the box office.
@@joshuajoe1419 :)) You forgot The Princess and the Frog.
Today I learned that a veteran Disney animator had to sit down in a class to learn how to draw horse asses for several weeks. Thanks Pan.
Spirit is one of my favourite movies and its painful to see it as a Barbie-esque brand.
especially since the point of the movie was that Spirit wanted to be free. Sure in the show people say it's Spirit son or something (since spirit in the show has differences from the og spirit) but why make his name the same?
And apparently the upcoming new Spirit movie is based on that Netflix show.
The show is actually good.
I like the tv show
I know right? And the movie wasn't even girly.
"Maybe that's a sign that people are ready for more 2D"
To us, most likely. But to the studios especially Disney, that means "make more live action remakes".
I think the 2D classics need theatrical re-releases. They would stomp the Box Office.
Edit: and at little cost!
@@shorewall Agreed.
Fun fact: From the Joseph Movie. The Reason why Slavery ain't bad compare to Moses story, was because the two Take place 400 years Apart. Plus, the Pharaoh in the Joseph story had a Very Great and Better Pharaoh. The Pharaoh wasn't Ruthless and Cold compare to other Pharaoh throughout Acient Egypt.
Yeah i remember this from history class, it wasn't slaves like we think of, more like workers and farmhands. They were rewarded for their work.
@@whodatninja439 i may be wrong. During the Joseph Period, The Hebrews and the other slaves were turned into workers and farmlands. But when a new Pharrioh arrives they just switch them to become slaves?
So basically power just became corrupt
Basically, there's a famine, and since Joseph's visions allow Pharaoh to stockpile food, he makes a deal with his people that he'll give them food, if they become his slaves. When Joseph's family comes to Egypt for food, they get the same deal, but since Pharaoh likes Joseph so much, he gives them the province of Goshen, and lets them herd their sheep in peace. But the Egyptians consider the Hebrews to be inferior, so successive Pharaohs get anxious when they grow in numbers. First, they force them to do hard labor, and then, when they get even more numerous, they start killing their babies.
So, technically, they were slaves the whole time, but they weren't treated like slaves until later. On the other hand, since everyone was a slave, it might be more accurate to think of it as despotism than slavery.
Ancient Hebrew didn’t, but they technically had Levantine as vassals at the time. Though one archaeological finding show that it might be other way around since there were reports of a Semitic tribe besides Seapeople rolling through Levantine at tail end of Bronze Age.
Also let’s blame Herodotus and Bible for that.
Wow that angry Spirit review sure was something, whoever wrote that scares me. I’m glad you mentioned how goddamn hard it is to animate horses because good lord does that movie impress me every time I watch it, horses are like impossible man.
My eyes nearly popped out of their sockets listening to that one
@@hobog12777 Same lmfao. What the fuck... 🤣
Steel ball run never
@@satansmascara9756 if we even get stone ocean
@@toenailclippings it was mostly a joke, considering the anime's popularity it's likely that we will eventually lol. But animators from david pro have said that sbr will be tough to animate due to the horses.
Spirit and The Prince of Egypt are underrated masterpieces, and that's summary everything!
Yeah. I think The Road to El Dorado was also an underrated masterpiece considering that El Dorado is one of my favorite movies. Prince of Egypt and Spirit were also great movies and its something very unique compared to Disney.
@@darkhorse944 sure! I like Road to Eldorado too, and its a good movie, really good, especially the music. What I think about all these films is that they were in the transition period between the traditional and the computer animation. They are good, but not for their time.
@@darkhorse944 truth same man some where there same
We watched them both in elementary school, Prince of Egypt in Religous Education and Spirit because we were learning stuff about native Americans. I am from Germany by the way.
I hate how Pan's Prince Of Egypt Merchandise ideas are horrifying and genius at the same time
I got to admit , when it came to DreamWorks 2d Animated films they felt a lot more unique and creative then what Disney had during the time , so it's kind of sad they never got to chance to convey thier true potential.
yeah
Dreamworks 2D films are underrated agreed
I watched the Prince of Egypt every year and it's absolutely a masterpiece.
Man I hope DreamWorks can make another 2D animated film on Netflix
absolutely
The Prince of Egypt is that one film you can get an atheist AND a christian to sit in the same room.
As an Atheist, I can confirm.
world peace at its finest
True
Actually, the Sister Act movies are the other ones.
True. Most Christian films are trash, not balanced, not story driven, not balanced. This one was ok.
The bad thing about Sinbad is that it's actually really good, I could never understand why critics hated it so much.
I know right. Sinbad really deserves better.
@@darkhorse944 So much truth, man. That movie was so good.
@Milestonecomics Pretty much, plus professional reviewers who had no qualms in review bombing the movie and making it sound bad to the general public, more than likely fed from Disney's pocket.
The big criticism was that they used Greek mythology instead of using middle eastern mythology.
Same reason as spirit. Just a different political group. Two retarded groups for 2 movie bombings. A movie shouldn’t be influenced by its characters race, ethnicity, ect. It’s not a fucking philosophical masterpiece it’s a movie
Dreamworks: Horses are something that has confused many artist for generations.
Berserk 2010: SEE! Its not our fault we couldn't animate horses properly
Berserk 1997: AM I A JOKE TO YOU?
Kentaro Miura: * laughs in hiatus *
Steel Ball Run: So anyways, i started sweating
:(
Pegasus (sailor moon) : we worked hard back in our day, you have no excuse
Also Pegasus (Hercules): DreamWorks can kiss my ass!
Animating horses and drawing horses are two different things. OLM Berserk doesn't have any scenes with horses doing elaborate movements like Spirit.
Pan I disagree, the best retelling if Moses freeing the slaves was from that one episide of The Super Mario Bros. Super Show, I'm not even joking
While writing about Prince of Edgypt, In my head I kept thinking "The 10 Koopmanments" because of that Mario episode. I couldn't remember the ep but that title just stuck with me.
No, the best one was that episode of the Beyblade anime where Moses parts the Red Sea with a Beyblade.
@@Hotmanlion12 Heresy, he did it with a duel monster.
Honestly, the Testament - The Bible in Animation - Moses is just as good.
Does that mean Moses can be in Mario Kart as a guest star like Isabelle or Link
"2D animation didn't just die, it was murdered."
It's resurrected in television form
HAPPY BIRTHDAY JO-KAI
@@Mr.Feather130 That and Streaming services like Netflix
@@thomasfredrickson6298 yeah 2D animation is not dead,it change in form which is streaming services
@@Mr.Feather130 Well, animation on television isn't anything new. I'd love to see 2D make its return to the big screen someday.
They could’ve made TV shows of Sinbad and El Dorado, but NOOO!! They picked Spirit cuz girls love horses!
Probably because My Little Pony was such a huge thing for the whole last decade. And not just with young girls. Of course, studio head logic "they both have horses so that means they'll be equally successful!" And the creatives are facepalming.
The reboot is such a travesty. Like not to sound like a boomer or anything, but watching Spirit on the VHS was such an experience. And now the ending of that movie is completely undone.
Why would they use the horse from Spirit? Why wouldn't they give the horse a different name and design.
Also how tf is that horse still alive.
None of the true spirit fans like the series, it completely breaks what spirit fought for
One of my favorite movies as a kid
But nah I saw the trailer for the series and no just no
Well, it’s probably because Spirit was a financial success, but El Dorado and Sinbad were both unfortunately financial failures, so dreamworks probably thought it wouldn be an unnecessary idea to do so, although I do wish they both had shows. El Dorado is my favorite dreamworks movie as well.
Spirit is extremely well-loved among Indigenous people. Disney gave us Pocahontas, which none of us cared about or looked up to, but Dreamworks gave us Spirit, who could easily be seen as a stand-in for Native Americans.
Growing up on the Navajo Nation, Spirit reminded me a lot of my own home and the story of my people. Plus we grew up with horses and livestock and revere animals like eagles, which Spirit is also very close to. We too know what it's like to be taken from our home and families and forced to assimilate into American society. I remember admiring his resiliency. And the scene where they cut his hair is also very symbolic, as long hair is considered sacred in many tribes. Plus, they portrayed the Lakota in a positive light. Practically everything was similar to the way I saw my people, my home, and our history.
Every Navajo home had Spirit on VHS and every Navajo kid loved Spirit. It's still one of my favorite movies to this day.
Well, I mean, Pocahontas is trash regardless of the terrible Native representation, so that isn't a super high bar to clear, but yeah, Spirit is amazing
@@afoolishfopdoodle3284it's also a lot worse when you know the real story of Pocahontas
I had no idea about this. That's so much for sharing this!
Honestly that's kinda cool ngl. I can respect that
I think we can all agree that Chel was unapologetically a fan-service character.
im not complaining
As well as servicing tulio
@@josgretf2800 what he said
"Lucky God!"
ZONE would agree
To be fair. That is the story of Joseph. Basically he has a great childhood, then gets sold into slavery, then he becomes good friends with the guy he was sold to, then he gets accused of sexually assaulting his masters wife and gets thrown in jail, then he becomes friends with the jailer and because he can read peoples dreams he becomes the second of command in the kingdom. It’s a done to hokey in Joseph king of Dreams but the story is supposed to be faith through constant roadblocks in your life
Along with they joesph happened BEFORE Moses. IIRC, Egypt was actually not a bad place for slavery and such up until they started slaughtering Hebrews before they were getting large in numbers (why they killed babies)
Yeah, albeit I think there's better ways to portray roadblocks in a harsh life, cause the movie kiiind of glorifies the whole slave-master situation with those more cheerful segments
If it was something more as trying to find the good in bad, rather than gifted in a good place, I feel the story could be stronger
It's kind of creepy that the little girl in the "Prince of Egypt" VHS release commercial said, "My favorite part is the baby in the water."
She should have said, "The baby floating in the water" cause it makes it sound like she's talking about the nightmare scene when the babies are drowned in the Nile
“This adventurous music makes me wish Hans Zimmer could do more westerns!”
Mate he did Rango and the Lone Ranger.
Well Pizza just mentioned that
"You know, maybe slavery wasn't so bad afterall" - RebelTaxi, 2020
This is totally not gonna get taken out of context ever
hahaha wait till another centuries later an "will see" it isn't so bad
Maybe the true slavery were the friends we made along the way
@Jen Z But why tho? It's just bad publicity on Disney's end and nothing else.
@@amysel there's already a number of people who hate Pan I believe, taking this out of context is just gonna make their ego skyrocket into oblivion
Just watched El Dorado again recently. Not only is it beautifully animated but the dialogue between Miguel and Tulio was GOLDEN
Pun Intended?
yeah but kinda predictable plot tho
One of the funniest movies ever made.
"It's a map to El Dorado!"
"You drunk sea water didn't you?"
@@LuckyBastard12345 yes
It was actually Pendleton Ward himself who asked James Baxter to animate the horse when he was at CalArts. This is the reason he asked james to animate the horse for him in adventure time.
This entire story makes Pendleton sound like a pretentious hipster pulling the ultimate “ok boomer” moment
8:35 Actually, fun fact: Kenneth Branagh (Miguel) and Kevin Kline (Tulio) DID record plenty of dialogue in the same room. They actually recorded the sword fight by fighting one another with pool noodles (I think? Either that or plastic swords).
Honestly, the prince of Egypt is one of the most underrated 2D films. It's just as good as the Lion king, if not better.
The Road to El Dorado might not be the most historically accurate and culturally authentic movie out there.
But I know that I would never have gotten seriously interested in the history and cultures of Pre-Columbian American civilizations without watching it and marvelling at the magnificent location they created.
When it came to that Prince of Egypt VHS advertising, you can tell that the entire family didn't even watch past the first 20 minutes of the film.
Also the parents may not have seen all the way through the film and the little girl talked like she enjoyed it without realizing that there was allot of death in the film.
This is what you call classic Christian family advertising from the 90s.
Hell even now.
“Remember Home on the Range..?”
There is actually a reference to Spirit in the movie. One of the cows calls the horse character, “stallion of the Cim-MORON.”
That joke made me so angry as a kid. Spirit was just the best movie of my childhood and to see Home on the Range make that joke... little me was in full nerd range mode
@@Nanthecowdog Dont worry, the movie was so bad it killed 2D for Disney for the time being
@@Nanthecowdog It's like if Rick & Morty dissed on Castlevania.
Prince of Egypt: _"Slavery was a mistake"_
Joseph King of Dreams: _"Nah, Slavery is all good and peaceful"_
I feel like DreamWorks were delt a rough hand with this. Slavery Bad is an integral part of Moses's story. Meanwhile the Bible says Joseph was sold into slavery, but despite that he made the most of his situation and became a respected member of the household. Rising from nothing is a recurring theme in his story.
It’s been a while since I’ve been in church but I can also add that Exodus emphasizes that all of Jacob(Israel)’s descendants were enslaved in the time of Moses specifically because they are God’s chosen people.
Meanwhile Joseph is one of Jacob’s 12 sons, God’s chosen people are just getting started. Genesis implies that Egypt’s slaves in the time of Joseph are just a bunch of randos from all over the place so it doesn’t matter nearly as much to the story.
@Quick Dry What? The Road to El Dorado is not very historically accurate. The part about equating the guys to nazis stumbling upon a hidden jewish city was dumb though.
@Eaxl Would you really though?
It's mostly because Joseph comes first and is friends with the Pharaoh,so things go smoothly and they're rewarded well,but centuries later the hebrew population grows and prospers so much the Egyptians start to worry they'll lose their country,so they become harsher and harsher on them to the point of them really becoming slaves and then we get to Prince of Egypt's dystopian future
As someone who has studied the treatment of horses through the years and how cultures respected them, the team that worked of spirit did its research, the colonist treated them exactly how they treated their horses and how they thought they were just tools, and how the native Americans treated their horses
@Roger Dodger You are soooooo wrong that I'm inpress.
Remember white colonist write for whitewhashing crap. I still remember the whitewhashed crap they tell me at school about the colonist and colonism. Is so so so horrible that indeed can make a comparation with Hitler and jews. And I'm from the Caribbean, Antillas Mayores where our indigenous didin't practice canibalism and sacrifice. The aztecs did, amd still is horrible what they did to them, imagine doing nothing like that and being rape, slaved kill etc for nothing but gold by greedy people.
@@princesslegarreta913 I think you're mistaking European Colonial history for all of human history. Subjugation and mistreatment of a conquered people is very common throughout all of human history, in fact many Native tribes did it to a lot of weaker and less militaristic tribes. I honestly would be more surprised if the colonists were completely peaceful after coming across warring tribes with technology that is so much more archaic than their own.
There were many colonists (mostly in the North) that had amicable relationships with certain tribes and would trade with them, mostly modern weapons and tech that would aid those tribes in their wars with other tribes.
It was only a matter of time that the Europeans saw the lack of a central power or nationality among the 100s of Natives tribes and decided that their best option would be fighting for themselves. Of course, this is not a justification of horrific behavior and actions committed by the colonists, but there's nothing incredibly unique about the treatment of Native Americans relative to human history. I mean, the Romans treated the Germanic peoples the exact same way. They created uneven alliances, dealt with tribal conflicts, conducted trade and tributes, genocided, called them Barbarians as a term to express their "savagry," and they, of course, fucking enslaved them. It was what we call early chattel slavery.
As I said before, I'd be way more surprised if the European colonists had treated the Native Americans with intense altruism.
@@SefniAsheforr No, our islands tribes where peaceful people who offer european food, shelter and parties of welcome and teaching. Wile they write the defences and how easy was going to be slave them. Is literally all in the Crónicas. I don’t know the rest of the tribes from añl around the globe but in our territory the european where Jerks who killed, slaved, rape and trae women, kids and men. 1492 is where they get to the first caribbean island. Since then they make the live of the people a living hell. Bartolomé de las Casas say it all in his diaries, how Columbus treated the taino people. How he killed any animal who where close to eat and the list of crimes he comint. In fact back in Spain he was put in jail.
Even when the people try to do aliences the european broke them. Cacique Yuisa, she is better know for her action to marry spanish man to get people among spanish amd the arawaks but the spanish broke the alience. Is one of the last caciques.
@@princesslegarreta913 I wasn't saying all Native tribes were violent and war prone. But a huge number were and that is why I'm not shocked the Europeans decided to conquer. I mean shit, if I saw a bunch of scattered tribes lacking national cohesion, I would most certainly wonder about how easily they could be systematically defeated. The Germanic tribes were only able to repel Rome when they were joined together by Arminius and represented a collective nation more so. But when they were separate tribes, they were at Rome's dominion.
Just some clarification from the Moses and Joseph movies:
Joseph came before Moses, and during Joseph’s time, slavery wasn’t near as bad as in Moses’ time. The reason for this is because Joseph and his family(the Israelites) all moved to Egypt, and over the generations, they multiplied significantly. The pharaoh was afraid of the Israelites growing numbers, and that they’d take over Egypt, so he basically made them all slaves.
So in Joseph, slaves were more seen as servants and workers, while in Moses, they were actively trying to oppress them by treating them poorly.
> "Some day, one of the bigger studios are going to try 2D again."
*ahem* Klaus *cough*
Bigger studios. Not small, lesser known ones.
Emphasis on big studios. Klaus is a smaller team even if alot of the animators worked on Disney/Dreamworks
@@cannonfodder4000 Those aren't "big studios", though, they're "HUGE" studios, almost bordering on monopoly.
The fact they made an entire Elton John Animated Music Video for El Dorado amazes me.
Truly amazing.
Sinbad should've gotten a series before Spirit did. So much potential, but not enough money.
@Ahmad the skeleton check the anime out mate
@Ahmad the skeleton Magi: adventures of sinbad, if youre interested
Fun Fact: Tulio and Miguel from The Road to El Dorado were intended to be couple. The voice actors even shot their lines in the same room to make it more realistic. It was cut later though.
Joseph's parents did make him what looks like a robe, but if you went to Parochial school, you would know that it's called "the coat of many colors". Even though it looks like it's just made to have a few colors, all supposed to stand out.
Also, the point of Joseph King of Dreams' tone shift was because slave trades were prominent, but not as massive as the enslavement of the Hebrews in Exodus. Pontifar wanted a slave, but he's equally not violent or abusive to Joseph like in the biblical story. And later on, there was fear from the pharaoh Seti, that the Hebrews would take over Egypt, so he... well, you remember the Prince of Egypt.
And yeah. Spirit is far better than Home On the Range.
Hebrews did not overpopulate Egypt. The Egyptian king was afraid the Hebrews were becoming too powerful and might one day replace the Egyptians.
@@FsimulatorX Nothing like a comment on a video about Dreamworks movies to remind you that the Great Replacement Theory is thousands of years old
@@afoolishfopdoodle3284 I don’t get why they simply treated people as there own? Because eventually the population of Jewish and Egyptian people would be hard to tell apart. I mean all those areas under the caliphate don’t identify as Sumerian or Egyptian do they? (ethnically atleast)
I'm always a sucker for 2D animated movies not done by Disney, and I always loved the style of Dreamworks' 2D movies. It's a huge shame that the CGI boom put an end to all of this.
And did I hear MK: Deception music at 4:49? You always did have some fantastic taste Pan.
Yeah I agree. The 2d animation of animated films in the 90s/2000s is my aesthetic.
2D is good, but I hate it's fanbase!
I think that´s because he could make the things he always wanted to make but Michael Eisner never give him green light, but a lot of Disney people go to Dreamworks to follow Jeffrey.
The Yin Yang Island stage
@@FizzyArtCola the best stage. Deception had amazing stages, like the slaughterhouse.
*DreamWorks (1998):* [creates an animated sequence of River of Blood in _Prince of Egypt_ and it's a masterpiece]
*DreamWorks (2020):* 🅱️OSS 🅱️A🅱️Y 2
Boss baby is deeper than you think
At least they make Masterpieces.
Boss baby 2 wasn't out yet
dreamworks (1998): dead children
DreamWorks (2001): GET OUT OF MY SWAMP
Cheetos Christ And now in 2020
Dreamworks:We got a female punk rockstar character in our animated trolls film
Horny Teens:I’ll hit that
The soundtrack from the Prince of Egypt never fails to give me chills, and I don't think it ever will.
Same
I feel like if Dreamworks really tried, they could’ve beaten Disney
If they kept releasing movies like Prince of Egypt and El Dorado, they could have absolutely SLAPPED Disney.
@@PrincessX-ke8tj i mean, they do have some special gems like how to train your dragon and shrek, but they’re more focused on dumb kids movies they can profit off of with merchandise
The only thing is that Dreamworks can be somewhat dense for both kids and adults (something that Pixar has actually mastered, to give a different theme and aesop for different people, if you look carefully).
Their series for Netflix aren't half bad, tho (the ones produced for Nickelodeon, couldn't care less). Except for the end of Voltron, but Tales of Arcadia is actually really good (having Guillermo del Toro as producer probably helps).
@@PrincessX-ke8tj They tried, and honestly they kinda succeeded. They are tied with Disney Animation Studios and Pixar for the most popular animated studios.
Ok
Road to El Dorado was such an awesome movie, also Chel is hot af
I agree with you, not only The Road to El Dorado is my favorite Dreamworks movie, but also one of my favorite movies in general.
I loved it, but i could never chill as a kid after they went with the big lie. I was biting my nails constantly, like how long is this gonna last.
Katzenberg's unending rivalry with Disney aside. I felt DreamWorks could've still pushed through with 2D Animation in ways Disney didn't. If only Sinbad just did well enough.
Just with they did with Eris was fucking top-notch.
@@RobotScarlet Ikr
YOU GUYS GOTTA CALM DOWN WITH THIS WHOLE "Katzenberg hates Dinsey" It's not because everyone repeats it that it's true. Just like people are repeating that Shrek is a Disney spoof, while writers of the movie, Ted Eliott and Terry Rossio (who wrote Disney's Aladdin) clearly said that they never intended to poke fun at Disney. Katzenberg probably doesn't even care about what Disney was doing at the time since they were making absolutely shitty movies in the 2000
I know I know, spite and jealousy. But after reading “Disney War” by James Stewart, Eisner is just as much to blame. Katzenberg worked hard and that man deserved better.
That's interesting. I should look into that.
That's what I thought too until I learned that Dreamworks' cancelled Larrikins, Mumbai Musical and Me and My Shadow were labeled as tax write offs so Katzenberg could sell Dreamworks to Universal so he could make Quibi.
Director Kevin Lima stated his movie (Mumbai) was sabotaged by him, and it somehow not being the first time as he said Katzenberg sabotaged A Goofy Movie too back when he worked at Disney.
@Katie Lewis karma.
@@Igorcastrochucre So Katzenburg isn’t just salty, he’s sleazy too.
That old review for Spirit, what was that smoking? He's really looking way too deep into the simplest of things. Horse drinks something from mother = OEDIPUS COMPLEX!
Is he aware that horses are mammals? Does he even know what mammals mean?
I bet he's gonna review a movie and call it White Supremacist
This is on the same level of Doug Walker saying that the Sailor Senshi were "slutty" for wearing mini skirts.
I think maybe he was trolling?
@@ImTalkingWithYou Seeing as how the reviewer kept saying stuff like "leftist" and "liberal" (assuming it wasnt just a troll/joke review), I feel like the reviewer probably WAS a white supremacist. They sound like the kind of person who would have complained about that one mixed race couple Cheerios commercial. Or that teaching kids that racism exists is bad somehow.
I swear, Chel in The Road to El Dorado single-handedly jump started my puberty.
ImmaSingWhatIWant it made me realise I might not be straight
Pan Pizza lore explored, he wants to get off the RebelTaxi ship
The taxi is powered by our views. We are the ones keeping him stranded up there.
@@MegaManXPoweredUp If that's the case... *continues watching*
if the ship won’t let him out wouldn't that make it...
a Rebel Taxi..?
It only took ten years to get this lore.
(I'm sure there's some joke about a series that took 10 years or longer to get that deep a lore nugget, but I can't really think of one at the moment)
I want to get off mr. rebel's wild ride
Living on as lewd drawings is the greatest possible honor.
Amen
When he said “ that’s what you get for trusting a character voiced by mark hamill,” I LOST ITTTT
Dear Disney, please make "Silly Hillbillies on Mars". It sounds terrible, but I'm intrigued.
I'm both sickened, yet curious.
I want my wooden moonshine fueled rockets!
what if that turned to mars needs mom
@@venyogo2
Well, now I'm just sickened. 🤢
I can see it all too easily being something really terrible today, but I REALLY wonder what they were thinking of in 1992 because they'd probably have been really earnest about it.
"be tasteful with merchandise" somebody once told me...
DishLiquidGB I see what you did there
But did the world roll you?
I'm guessing not
The world was gonna roll me
The Spirit in the Netflix show is not the original Spirit. It's like his son or something, but I dont think they ever talk about it.
@prickly pear I wouldn't call it an mlp wannabe, but it certainly is an attempt at a cashgrab based off nostalgia.
I really miss blockbuster 2d movies... There was something magical about them that you just don't get with 3D.
"This is some primo DeviantArt AMV furrybait"
Dude, did we watch the same movie? I don't remember anything like th-
*You Can't Take Me starts playing*
Oh. Ohhhhh...
Rebel Taxi is thinking too much about furries. I don’t count it at all. I don’t understand why he called those songs corny and furry bait those songs are classics!😞
@@andreasmeelie1889 It's not to do with the quality of the songs. The tone and the scenes they were set to (along with the fact that they were about animals given human emotions and expressions) just combine into a perfect storm of vaguely furry things.
@@LDIndustries you have to be pretty depraved for that...
@@SlavoidUkr We're talking about furries. Of course there's a high level of depravity.
@@natkatmac good point
Prince of Egypt was a true epic. Even more than the adventure driven stories like Sinbad and El Dorado. Even tho Joseph wasn't the success they'd hoped it'd be I feel like they jumped ship too soon with the more serious narratives. You could already go to disney for action adventure comedy's but stories like Prince of Egypt just weren't happening. Didn't even have to be a religious story. Just a narrative with the same depth and stakes. As much as Like dreamworks 2d movies and they progressively feel more and more watered down
IKR? They easily could have done some more semi-historical type movies adapting stories like the Odyssey or some Norse mythology. Its a shame they stopped their serious works after one failed attempt.
Idunno, despite its later added comedy bent, El Dorado still feels somewhat like a proper passion project in writing, animation (which feels like the one aspect about the dreamworks 2D-Film that held its base standard during all that time) and voice performances. but from that film onward I'm inclined to agree
I scoffed at the shape of the whale in the wall of water till I learned whale bones were found in an ancient Roman settlement in that part of the world. They processed whale meat there.
When I was a kid, I always referred to Spirit as "Horse Movie". I couldn't read so I based the title based on the pictures.
I don't think I've laughed at anything Pan has said harder than I did at "I wanna Maya her Miguel"
People back in the day were allowed to write the most idiotic mouth breathing reviews and nobody would bat an eye. Now... we’ll nothing has changed much but now we at least shame and bully those people for such idiotic statements.
"The sexual energy btween the man and the hourse!"
@@twinkiesmaster69 that's sounds like a you problem.
@@Tomja87 it is,
Thanks for noticing
Remember that one creepy review for Dora and The Lost City of Gold I think it was from the Hollywood Reporter?
Im a dreamworks fan. Ik. Thank you.
I remember watching sinbad A LOT as a kid and I was obsessed with eris. I thought she was just a cool character but turns out I'm just a lesbian
i have agree i feel in love with eris then any other villain of disey she made me go > scary to inpress to damm This woman can beat any god and she take bath in the gelaxy
And her voice (Michelle Pfeiffer) can get a man out of his gay zone.
Bahahaha same :o)
@@MustraOrdo thats homophobic my guy
And she’s also just a cool character.
Sinbad is one of my absolute favorite movies, not just animated ones.
The reason they describe her as Princess might be because she is to be engaged to a Prince, which makes her a soon-to-be Princess.
Despite the fact that sinbad failed in theaters I love it same as the prince of Egypt both are my favorites of the 2d DreamWorks animation
If any of you haven't seen Prince Of Egypt, Road To El Dorado or Joseph, King Of Dreams; do yourself a favor and go watch them. The movies are flipping AWESOME
@jackthegamer I saw te pirnce of pegypt nd its incredible
Which one should I see first
@@IcyDiamond prince of egypt
Skip the third
I used to watch the prince of Egypt every night to go to sleep.
Who knew they published today’s equivalent of weird paragraph long RUclips comments as official reviews back then
We all came here for Chel.
In more ways than one, yes.
Finally someone talks about the Prince of Egypt
If Spirit was able to get a TV show, I don't see why El Dorado & Sinbad should do the same.
Nooooo wayy
Dreamworks already has it’s hands full with all the other shows they have on Netflix. They just released the second season of Kipo and the Age of the Wonderbeasts, we’re wondering if they are going to continue The Dragon Prince, and we’re still waiting for that Wizards series that’s part of the connected universe with Trollhunters and 3Below.
If it's of the same quality as the Spirit show, we're better off without it
Dreamworks didn’t create Dragon Prince.
Well, they just ended Voltron like a year or two ago. She-ra just ended, the Tales of Arcadia series has it's final arc coming. This means they can have more spaces and an audience who liked the shows DreamWorks made. People have been trying to see if they can get more shows based on DreamWorks movies, so I think it could happen.
I love three dimensional villains. One of my favorite parts about The Prince of Egypt is that you can actually sympathize with Ramses over his motivations while also understanding that what he's doing is wrong. In the actual source material of the Bible, literally the only explanation we got as to why he refused to free the slaves was "God hardened his heart" (which gets a very brief mention as a line in one of the songs but otherwise isn't used as an explanation for why he's so coldhearted towards freeing the slaves), which just makes God seem like a villain causing endless pain towards the Egyptians just so he can show off his power a little longer.
It's so depressing how we could be living in a golden age of animated movies, but instead every last one is in CGI
At least spider-verse is introducing a new age of stylized animation
sorry man but we're in a golden age right now for cinema animation. I say this as a 2D animator
its cause a majority of the audience was losing interest in 2D but NOW all of a sudden they miss it like why didnt anyone gave a f*** back then why care now
3:10 One of my favorite parts of the movie. When Moses gives back the ring, you see all the sadness, anger, and resentment in his face, and the time taken to change between those emotions. If only there were more animated dramas like this film! This film doesn´t get enough attention, and it should be talked about in the same vein as classic epics like Lawerence of Arabia or even The Ten Commandments but for animation.
Maybe they should call this place "Chel Dorado"
Amen! 😍
This reminds me of a panel at Youmacon I went to where we just watched weird flash porn games.
One of them was called "Road to Chel Dorado" and jesus fucking christ it was kinda messed up
@@dyldragon1 I never heard of that, but I dare to see that, it would probably ruin my perspective of Chel. Why is Chel Dorado even a parody, that’s just “Bruh!”
Jesus died on a cross for your sins! So you can have eternal life in Heaven Repent 4 CHRISTIANS
@@elmono6299 Jesus died on a cross for your sins! So you can have eternal life in Heaven Repent 4 CHRISTIANS
For those who didn't understand the joke at 31:14 :
David Geffen is the G in DreamWorks SKG, based on the first letter of the names of each 3 founders of the studio : S like Spielberg, K like Katzenberg and G like Geffen.
In 2007, Out Magazine put him on its list of the "most powerful gay men and women in America".
That reviewer though he was being "clever" about it, like "lolz gay movie made by gay producer".
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With that said, great video Pan. I miss the kind of 2D animated movies Dreamworks used to make; they really had great talents on their side.
Even when they were flawed in terms of writing or characters, at least they were quite boundary-pushing in terms of themes, tone and visuals, compared to the usual 2D movies of the time, before total 3D domination.
Thank God we have "Klaus" to flex some 2D muscles and show this medium can always push its technical limits.
That review sounded like it was written by someone insanely insecure. That first mates' nipples are literally just circles, not detailed. Also doesn't consider at all that cheeky moments that could bee seen as fanservice could be for the ladies, too, much like how people talking about "the male gaze" ignore that gay women exist.
I had no idea that one of the lead 3 guys was gay and still made biblical movies. What a time to be alive.
Klaus is 100% 3D.
@@JZStudiosonline only shadows are 3D on Klaus
Pendant que t'es la a parler DreamWoks, tu veux pas aller raisonner ton pote MJ sur Shrek, il a l'air d'absolument detester alors que c'est un putain de bon film.
@@ZACHdu42 il a dit quoi sur Shrek mj ?
If The road to Eldorado got a sequel, it would be called Road Away From Eldorado
I rewatched Sinbad recently after watching Breadsword's review, and part of me really doesn't think it should rank so low ... on the other hand, as you say, that doesn't exactly mean it's bad, it just has some really stiff competition. Also, I'm very surprised that in the 18 years since it's come out, some fan somewhere hasn't tried to make an edit of Spirit to remove the voiceover.
So early Pan isn’t simping for an animated goth girl yet.
Does Eris count as goth?
@@sirapple589 probably not but idk
Not yet at least
Prince of Egypt showed that dream works does what disney doesn(ey)s’t!
how do you even pronounce that lol ? I like the joke but the fact that I can't retell it is so strange haha
so Disney is Nintendo and Dreamworks is Sega
Kirby The Star Warrior It even went down the same road too.
yep
Should have gone with "DreamWorks is what Disneysn't".
El Dorado?
More like "Chel Dorado," amiright?
Fun fact: they two VA's for the main characters in EL Dorado actually DID record in the booth together and were allowed to adlib some of their lines to make it sound more realistic.
It really does makes me sad that 2D Animation is so under utilized in this current environment.
2D animation is everywhere if you look, it's just not in theatres. CG keeps getting better, so I don't think we're missing out on too much, but it would be nice if disney released a modern 2D film just for a throwback!
waffle falafel You mean like The Princess and the Frog? Given the lukewarm reception of that movie I fear we are in for an uphill battle.
@@captainbarbossa289 true but movies like Spiderverse and Klaus are experimenting further on 2d. It's possible also that nostalgia for hand drawn might come back since people prefer hand drawn Lion King to CGI lion king
Gaijins...
That's one of the reasons I got into anime.
11:52 I've actually read Elton John's autobiography and he does talk a little bit about his experience and thoughts working on The Lion King, and how he ended up working on El Dorado. He thoroughly enjoyed making a soundtrack for an animated film as it was a different experience from what he was used to, and was actually offered a deal (As he says: "for a ridiculous amount of money") by Disney to develop more films, tv shows, and books (there were talks of a theme park as well which weirded him out). However he turned down the deal because he had given his word to Katzenberg to work on another film with him. That other film ended up being El Dorado :)
Also Tim Rice (who Elton worked with on both The Lion King and El Dorado) was actually the one who initially invited Elton to work on the Lion King !
@Greg Elchert Indeed !
Sinbad is one of my favorite childhood movies, and it was the first movie i ever watched when i was born. I dont care how people say its bad, I think its a freakin MASTERPIECE! And it deserves more love than more hate. When i saw it on the worst list, i was about too go off!
IKR??! You've personally spoken my mind!! The nostalgia I have concerning Sinbad is unexplainable! You'd think everyone has the same opinion as u. Smh.
No you guys are blinded by nostalgia as someone who viewed it about a week ago it’s pretty forgettable the humor can be dull at times and the cgi can look bad(but that can just be for how old it is) but the animation is beautiful character designs are nice especially for the female villain. I’ll give it a 6/10 more closer to a 6 than a 4. I probably won’t be watching this any time soon.
@@emmahollow8898 No I ain't blinded by nostalgic, I watched it about a thousand times ever since I been growing up. Sinbad is like my comfort movie when I feel like I wish I can go back when I was a little kid when I first watched it. I mean I even watch it today
@@KB15. you definitely are lmao. Your only defense for this movie was “I liked it since I was born and I grew up with it so it’s automatically good” nope I’m looking at it from a critical point of view also as a first time watcher. I was disappointed to say the least.
@@emmahollow8898 your right I am a lmao, I know other people wouldn't like it but that's OK at least some people enjoy the movie like me😊
I just realised. 30:58 adding a clip of actor Sinbad....in your Sinbad review. Pan wtf.
I mean when it comes to Joseph
His part is the Bible does kinda glorify slavery but it's more because it's coming from his prospective
He was one of the lucky ones
Unlike the other slaves he was weak looking which put him in the house and he showed he was education which helped him advance
Well, that was weird since Bible portray Egyptian Pharaoh as evil figure yet portray him as good figure in Joseph's time.
Part of me tends to interpret as the symbolism of Levant since Egypt also controlled that region. I mean Egypt also took children of Semitic nobles to Pharaoh's court to become Egyptians.
@@powerist209 it's probably because they were different pharaohs, apparently there were 430 years between Genesis and Exodus. Apparently Necho II was the Pharaoh in a number of Genesis chapters though I can't find any source that says he was the one in genesis 37 (the chapter containing Joseph's story), meanwhile Ramses II is the pharaoh in Exodus.
In rewriting this comment and doing quick research the word pharaoh has officially lost all meaning.
I remember Sunday School taking a slavery is wrong, but it got worse over the generations from the time of Joseph to Moses. No clue if that is solid biblical interpenetration or not.
Genesis is packed with time flying by, so it's possible that not only different pharaohs from different regions, but also slavery could've been not as bad. In a Christian perspective, God was protecting Joseph through the time of being as a slave and with God providing visions to Joseph, it helped him get up in a higher position and to make the slavery not as bad... I think? XD Plus looking at the beginning of Exodus, literally the next Pharaoh, who didn't know about Joseph, was like "You know what, there's too many Hebrews around here. Let's kill them/put them into slavery" and literally screwed up the system that Joseph set up.
Might not be totally accurate since it's been a while I've read Genesis XD
Extinctanimals22 that’s because the Bible says that the Jews were originally invited to Egypt as honored immigrants, as Joseph interpreted the pharaoh’s dream. However, after that pharaoh died, his successor forgot all of what Joseph did and did the pro-gamer move of enslaving all of the Jews in Egypt, which lead to God telling Moses to free them.
I literally don't remember Spirit having an inner monolouge.
Is this Mandela effect or did I seriously forget the man who spoke for the horse?
I remember. I thought it was kind of cool that we got to hear Spirit narrate like it was a book even though he didn't talk in-universe. On the other hand, I could see how it could be totally redundant if I rewatched it.
You probably thought it was another background song.
I had the opposite effect, where I could have sworn the animals did talk in that movie. Turns out the animation was just really good at expressing and the inner monolouging just confused the fuck out of my memory.
There wasn't a lot of narration in general so that might have something to do with it. Think Spirit only narrated like, four times?
Up until Pan mentioned it, I thought I was *reverse* Mandela Effected and was wondering if I just imagined there being a monologue
"If she's Mayan, I wanna Maya her Miguel"
Ha, I get it.
Actually, Spirit: Riding free is about Spirit's offspring. I know. I hate it, too.
Kinda weird how the baskin robins kid's favorite part was a horse kissing a guy.
Future(possibly former at this point) Brony
Mega Buster he’s the kind of guy to ship Fluttershy with the Once ler
The Fat Piranha Plant wait people did that?!?!?
Olivia Animations I looked online and some did
@@IcyDiamond I thought the oncler was only ever shipped with himself
Is Pan's love of goth girls as great as Saberspark's obsession with Furry animation?
Bigger, and more interesting
Pan has had that obsession long before saberspark even showed up
Sabersparks was uno of the most prominent bronies in the MLP hype period, of course he's a furry xD. I guess he really could get new public after that
You caught on quite fast!
Pan's actually funny when it comes to his liking towards goth girls. Saberspark's obsession feels forced and only continues to roll with the joke only to please viewers.
To the point of Spirit "brushing the ugly parts of history under the rug," one interpretation I remember reading which I really like is that you're SUPPOSED to know that colonization is imminent and that Spirit's happy ending isn't "happily ever after" so much as a brief repose before history inevitably takes it's course. So you can read it as sugarcoating, but I think you can also read it as tragic irony.
RebelTaxi: How do I get people to click?
*Adds Chel to the thumbnail*
Done
the failure of quibi just solidifies the fact that katzenberg was just a very lucky guy who happened to be in command of animation's greatest talents
I wanna see the alternate reality where he did become top dog at Disney.
Batzarro He would have destroyed them.
TBF Quibi could've done a lot better if it wasn't stuck to a phone app (and it still is right now for some asinine reason) but just in concept it was flawed from the beginning
MG apparently they just added Chromecast compatibility
"Kissing a horse? Blech!"
-Yourmoviesucks enters the chat-
I am out of the loop
enlighten me
He’s a furry, horse to be precise.
@@gabbo7101 there's a video of him defending bestiality. Not even joking, you can look it up.
@@TheIronMexican Really? There has to be missing context. I mean, being a furry is fine and all, but did he legit defend sticking a dick in a dog's ass? or...? Like, what was the context?
@@gabbo7101
Here's the link. It's 10 minutes of context. ruclips.net/video/X1nnNz_Tewk/видео.html
I remember I wanted Spirited Away as a kid for Christmas but got Spirit instead. I was pissed.
Lol