That's a crap comment too. There were plenty of times when Brady won because the defense made a play or did something that allowed him to "comeback" and win. Malcolm Butler and the defense against Atlanta are examples.
@@Arctanis-vt3hl yes, but there are plenty of times Brady did it in big games in big moments. When has Josh done it i big games or big moments? He hasn't. That's the difference.
@@Arctanis-vt3hl when those defenses made big plays, Brady executed. After Hardman fumbled the Bills had a 3 and out. And you do realize Brady has 6 rings right? You telling me that was all defense and field goals?
Dan: "You said that Allen doesn't show up in the big moments". Stephen A: "I did not say that". Stephen A about 3 minutes later: "He didn't show up in the big moment."
Why is nobody mentioning that there was 1:30 left on the clock. Allen goes for the touchdown 2 plays in a row. He had Diggs underneath for the first down, he didn’t have to go for the home run. Especially considering that Mahomes beat you in the past with only 17 seconds. He should’ve taken the check down and kept the drive going. This loss is on josh Allen.
3rd and 9 was on him. 2nd and 9 though, Shakir was wide open and Allen got pressured by Chris Jones. You would always take the TD when it was served to you like that when down by 3. If he succeed, it would force Mahomes to have to score TD, and frankly, our 2-minute offense hasn't been great all season. JA has responsibility on this lost, sure. But to say the loss was on him, I disagree.
@@choiyatlam2552 bro the bills literally didn’t get a stop on them at all.. patty was def gone march down there with 1:40 with 2 timeouts left.. if he could do it with 13 secs he def could’ve did it with 1:40 left
Idk what was said when they walked in at halftime after that lil scuffle, but the chiefs came out the second half and said that we gon punched them in the mouth. They got bullied and out muscled out on def and off.
It was a good play. He knew how this game was going, & a TD would pretty much seal the deal. He thought he was closer than he was & could break the plane. Even so, it didn’t hurt KC.
I don’t feel like it’s a bad thing to say that all 3 of them are correct. SAS said the bills blew it(which was true) Dan said Allen was amazing(which he was) and the Chiefs defense made plays when it mattered( which they did). I feel like all the them are true😂
Its crazy how in the next segment dan says Lamar has to WIN the Superbowl to get the respect he deserves, but josh should get respect for playing "great" in these playoff losses. Its crazy the double standard.
Its cause Josh is white so I guess he is superior to the black qbs but a black qb has more rings than any qb playing right now never want to give #15 pm his credit never not good enough
He doesn't say that Lamar isn't great, and he does need to win to get respect from the doubters. The narrative isn't just that Chiefs own the Bills, it's also that the Chiefs own the Ravens.
Even if Bass made that FG, the Chiefs easily made a drive to consume the rest of the clock and let Butker win it. The Bills needed to bleed that clock all the way to less than 30 seconds and score a TD, leaving the Chiefs no time. That throw to the endzone was a killer. They were marching fine with the shorter gains.
1:47 left, can't leave Mahomes any time on the clock. Allen had chances to convert the 2nd and 9, check down to Diggs would have kept the clock running and convert. Why leave it in the hands of the kicker 44 yards away with the weather as a factor. Not 100% his fault. Instead Allen goes deep twice?
I think the bills actually just exhausted the playbook So many long drives eventually the defense keyed in That does correlate with the adjustments though
Pacheco is the x-factor. Another great find by Andy Reid. That dude runs so hard, fist fights the guy who tackles him and runs full speed back to the huddle. Dude is a complete STUD!
Shannon played with Elway for a decade while people said the same stupid crap about him as Shannon just said about Josh Allen. The only reason they won 2 rings is because they got Neil Smith and Terrell Davis.
@@Paul-vf2wlsee. Your a Dan and not a Shannon. Making excuses is making excuses. You obviously don't understand how talent works if you believe a QB and WR or TE relationship is a one way street. Both sides have to work. Period
The kicker being blamed is the most simplistic take of this entire game. IT'S FOOTBALL, THE WEATHER PLAYS A HUGE FACTOR. It didn't go right cuz he whiffed it, it was wide because of the wind. That's why you rely on your offense to get as close as possible when you know the elements aren't on your side
I agree we forget that Mother Nature plays a factor ESPECIALLY in Buffalo it’s basically Canada. Josh Allen should’ve been better I personally still believe that field goal still wouldn’t of been enough bc there was still like over min and half left
Problem is it’s home field advantage he should have known the elements All he had to do was turn around and see the flags of the opposite post and see it blow hard right and made necessary adjustments
Dan has been consistent about pointing out drops counting against qbs all season, he said it when lamar and mahomes's guys were doing the same earlier in the season. Let's be fair.
But he's acting like only Josh had to overcome adversity. Mahomes literally had Hardman fumble the ball out the endzone and take away 7 points. The difference is Mahomes overcomes the challenges more often than Josh can.
@@mylesbrew5410Man, i rarely agree with Dan, but stop with that bs. He's given plenty of praise to Mahomes/Lamar over the years, and praised CJ Stroud heavily going into the draft and put him in the MVP conversation like halfway through the season. He's not a racist bro...he just sleeps with a Josh Allen blowup doll at night
@@mylesbrew5410 nahhh don't start with that bullsh** early on in the season when they had the topic " does lamar deserve his money" Dan was the only guy defending him..
On the last drive, Josh Allen had a dropped interception. A fumble, missed a wide open crosser, and terrible under throw to the end zone. Thats shouldn’t even been thrown to the end zone based off time & score. Dan is tweaking.
Buffalo recovering that fumble saved Josh Allen from far worse criticism than this. Chiefs should've picked it up easily but the football gods kept giving the Bills multiple chances to get it done. Stephen A and the production team showed all four reasons why they lost
Gotta give a HUGE shoutout to Stephen A. His panel of analysts and guests is top-notch. Didn't think I would enjoy watching Dan Orlosky as much as I do, but man, debates like this make me wanna go back to paying for cable.
@@halletfrancis249so when mahomes needed a fg to tie the game got to a 51 yard attempt and made it. It’s all cheers for mahomes and Allen gets his fg kicker at the 44 but he misses and it’s all on Allen?
They also said he didn’t play spectacular! Cause I mean throwing 16 passes behind the LOS isn’t spectacular Dan!!! 😂. He acting like those 16 passes was him carving the chiefs up!! Dude throwing less than a yard to a receiver and the receiver did all the work and now we’re calling that spectacular Dan?!?! Ridiculous!! He didn’t play bad whatsoever!! It’s a a good game from both teams and both Qs. He just didn’t play like Dan saying he played because he wasn’t throwing down the field like that!
He’s best friends with Josh Allen they should put a disclaimer on the bottom that his opinion shouldn’t be taken seriously about Josh Allen because he has a conflict of interest 😂 bro really said Josh was spectacular with 186 passing yards and underthrowing and overthrowing like always 😂 yeah he has an arm but he has terrible touch with it
Y’all need to stop acting like the Chiefs didn’t have missed opportunities that could’ve lead to more touchdowns. Both teams had missed opportunities but one team was just a little bit better than the other.
the bills had more missed oppourtinitys the one touchdown the cheifs missed in the red zone with the fumble was only because there was a damar hamlin fake punt 🤣
@@briancashman1336Was it a missed opportunity or was it a stupid play call that almost led to 7 points if it wasn’t for Hardman fumbling into the end zone?
Every team in every game ever played has missed opportunities to score. The ones worth talking about are the ones that are close and made the difference down the stretch.
What does Steven A mean he's sick of the sugar coating, "when you consider the violence that consists in the sport of football...?" Is he talking about on or off the field? What's his point?
@@isabellind1292He's saying that for the most part, kickers don't have to worry about getting hit or dodging tackles. They're highly unlikely to ever be at the bottom of a dog pile or in the middle of a scrum. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with him, I'm just explaining what he meant.
@@jthardworkanddedicated4976how’s it his fault that Diggs dropped a td pass and the kicker misses??? The coaching sucks too, he could’ve done better that last drive but how is it that every year bro has to be carrying the team on his back.
could it be because Allen played a good game? could it be because he himself scored 2 touchdowns against the 3rd best defense in the league, while his own defense only had two starting linebackers?
@@purpletomato5535please don't add injuries everyone has injuries, do you think think the eagles won't love to have at least one of their linebackers😂 No one complained about injuries when they won six straight
@purpletomato5535 Mahomes was limping last year and made better decisions and throws when he missed his top 3 wide receivers and got to the superbowl. Josh can run so good and keeps throwing when game is on line like an idiot. So much talent and doesn't know how to fully use it. Can't wait to see when he can't run as good in two or three years and see If he improves throwing without being able to run otherwise mf will get picked more than now which would be crazy ahaha
@@dewaynecastan8444I mean he’s not though. Their point is sound. Josh Allen shows up until he is genuinely needed, and then he folds. Joe Burrow is closer to a ring than Josh.
It has to be so frustrating to be a team in the AFC not named the Chiefs. Chiefs receivers were dropping passes all year long and all these analysts were saying no one is scared of the Chiefs anymore and at the end of the day it doesn't even matter lol.
My thing is this.. why would Josh Allen try to throw the ball in the endzone anyway ? they should have played for a first down and run the clock down.. then whether you score a touchdown or a field goal it doesn't matter cause you leave the chiefs no time on the clock.. poor decison by josh allen and the coaching
@@briancashman1336you again. Haha aye, this guys been on every sports video this morning defending Josh Allen's choke job. If a josh had Mahomes stats and won, you be on your knees for him right now
@@FelixtheCat-8310 No excuses from me bro I just hate the selective criticism. When Lamar didn’t have receivers show up and drop passes in playoff games he still gets the blame…. All I’m saying is keep the same energy for all Qbs
Dan’s argument is SO WEAK. Bro what game were you watching!? Yes I agree Josh Allen made some great plays but when it MATTERED he couldn’t get it done and Pat Mahomes did that why they’re on 2 completely different levels
I love that his excuse for Brady being great is a kicker and saying Edelman and Gronk made him great. He acts like this dude doesn't have a top 5 WR on his team.
When you throw a 60 yard bomb for a go-ahead touchdown in the fourth quarter that literally hits your receiver in the hands, you made the play when it MATTERED. Mahomes wasn't perfect. Allen wasn't perfect. They were definitely not on 2 completely different levels last night. They both played well and were both a lot of fun to watch.
They wanted Josh Allen to be the face of the league as soon as Mahomes won his first championship. Now they want Burrow to be the face. Mahomes keep shutting it down. But I remember it clear, they was trying to replace Mahomes as the best in the league for Josh Allen just because.
OH please! They want Kelce and Swift on tv as much as possible. Stop the bs with "the NFL wants every qb but Mahomes to be the face of the League" ...😂😂😂
Actually last superbowl they wanted Kansas to win with that holding call against the Eagles. And the superbowl before that was decided by a flag against the Bengals in favor of the Rams. So they didn't support Burrow then the way they supported Mahomes the following year. I assumed the NFL wanted to make Mahomes the next Brady, which would make total sense because of Mahomes just having the it factor. Mahomes is just such an electrifying talent. Btw I think the refereeing was quite good yesterday.
@@jude_99in the interest of honesty, mahomes is whiter than he is black, and not that one way is better than the other, but he certainly acts more “white” than “black”… Still, i don’t get this obsession over melanin. It’s so tribal and divisive on both sides. Everyone is an individual. People and the media want a new Brady V Manning, so thats why they’ve been pushing the narrative so hard. People hate on Mahomes like they hated Brady. People love to see number 1 fall and hate seeing their dominance.
@@JarrettMehldauThe league definitely wanted a white savior at qb.. however Mahomes is so good they will certainly favor him over any other black qb.. I just hope that they don't do Lamar dirty with the officiating this week cause the media alone certainly hates on Lamar alot
@@JarrettMehldau bro. forget the game against the Eagles. the chiefs weren't even supposed to be in the superbowl to begin with. the refs were trying so hard to get the chiefs to beat the bengals in the afc title. it should have been bengals vs eagles in the superbowl
These are the times I really appreciate Dan. Were Allen's numbers statistically spectacular against an average team? No. Were Josh's numbers good against that KC defense? Absolutely. Best QB performance against KC of the entire year. People forget that QBs play against defenses and those Pro-Defenses have a say in how well you do.
@@Austin6403 I don’t know man I’m going to need joe to get at least a regular season MVP we can’t be calling these guys mahomes rivals and they have no hardware no ice💯 just say
@@dariusjohnson6013but he kept beating mahomes what are you talking about? So for the mahomes fans Brady is clearly the better QB n 🐐 beat mahomes n has the hardware
It’s frustrating because I completely agree with Dan from the perspective that Josh Allen did perform great and that his receivers and kicker missed opportunities but SA and Shannon are also correct in that somehow some way a “Spectacular” QB would just find a way to get it done. You can’t be a spectacular QB and be 0-4 against the same team who does the same thing every year.
@@madeofglass012 That’s definitely a fair assessment after yesterday’s game and especially in team sports overall, but the truth of the matter is you’ve been beat by the same Quarterback 3 times in a row in the postseason and this was your chance to finally beat him at home and have arguably the biggest game of your career. He didn’t get it done. Just sad for Allen overall but I have no doubt he’ll get the better of him one day.
Final Drive though Diggs open across the middle. Throws it deep and is still like five yards short of the target, who was doubled. He had chances to check it down and get a first. But went for the Home Run. Yes a TD would have been great. But all you need is a FG to tie. With plenty of time and two timeouts.
The game was a prime example of "You win as a team, you lose as a team". Which is what Josh Allen even said after the game. The guy was exceptional for 98% of the game. He did ALMOST everything he could to succeed. But ultimately, they couldn't get Bass close enough to nail the FG. They lost but it was FAR from an effort for Allen to be ashamed of.
But that’s not the fun take to admit both QB’s did a phenomenal job and at the end one team had to lose. Allen did play phenomenally, made plays when he could, and took what the defense gave him, it just wasn’t enough. Mahomes carved up that Buffalo defense with ease, and that was honestly the difference. Everytime KC had the ball, they’d score incredibly fast because Buffalo and McDermott had no answers. KC forced them to work for everything, hence the TOP difference, and for the most part Buffalo did it. Like you said, they couldn’t finish the job, and then Bass couldn’t make the kick. There are much bigger problems in Buffalo than the imaginary Josh Allen choking narrative, like Sean McDermott’s coaching, Stefon Diggs being invisible on the field, and even the skill positions overall.
@Albofootball23 that's why u have teammates to make plays when u not doing good om the 2% that's how Tom Brady won chips that's how everyone one rings
It's NOT that he isn't Patrick, Dan. It's that HE, Josh Allen didn't TAKE OVER the game when he needed to. Tom Brady takes over games, Steph Curry takes over games ..... it's not just Patrick. Josh Allen is going to have to find that type of energy to win.
No one fears Josh Allen having the ball at the end of the game. Let's keep it a buck. He throws INTs in the endzone. He fumbles. He misses wide open WRs. No one is afraid of him, at home or otherwise. Is he good? VERY good. Is he great? Nah. Brady and Mahomes with the ball in a two minute drill needing a TD to win? You better fear them. Allen? I mean I guess he could win, but he hasn't.
I'm a Patrick Mahomes homer, but I agree with Dan - this scrutiny on Josh Allen is ridiculous. Both QBs had absolutely incredible games. If the Chiefs had lost, would we have to blast Patrick Mahomes for not hitting Travis Kelce for that 3rd touchdown?
If they won, they would be talking like he is the man with the same stats. Now that they lost, those same numbers were not enough. If the kick was made, it would have been back square 1 and on mahomes to drive and win, which is out of joshs hands since hes on offense.
@@vectwon9797 Exactly. The guy had 3 total TDs, 258 total yards, and no turnovers. On overall production, that is 2nd only to Lamar Jackson this weekend, and it was against maybe the 2nd best defense left in the playoffs. It's a shame because it downplays what the Chiefs accomplished.
This is one thing that sucks about sports analysis, whenever a kicker makes kicks they give the QB the praise, “ohh he drove down the field” but when a kicker doesn’t make it then it’s “the kicker missed the kick, the QB did everything right” no he didn’t if he did everything right then he would’ve scored a touchdown, asking your kicker to bail you out from 44 yards in unpredictable weather and wind then blaming him for the loss is silly
@@timwormusexactly he’s been known to be a gambler and that’s why out of his peers he throws more picks! The people they have him in the top tier with like Patty Burrow and Lamar! He just didn’t get it done in the moments like they said! And throwing almost half your passes behind the LOS doesn’t make your play spectacular! But aye Dan keep riding that Josh Allen train like everyone else! He consistently turns the ball over! Yet the media loves pairing his stats against Patrick’s and always makes it seem like they’re on the same level!! Stop this nonsense!! 2 MVPs and 2 bowls compared to 0!! And KC keeps taking them out the playoffs lol.
Andy Reid was known as a guy who couldn’t win the big one before Patrick Mahomes got there. Patrick Mahomes is the legend Andy Reid is a good coach with a great player.
@@patek9789 the difference is he won. Stats don't win games, more points than the other team does. If stats won championships my Phins would have done something relevant instead of stinking like 2 week old tuna.
@@memyself898 Yeah he won because the D line of the ravens absolutely dominated the Texans O line stroud was pressured whether if he was blitzed or not
Dan, for the love of god, Allen had TIWCE as many opportunities as Mahomes and the Chiefs did! 30 more snaps, 20 more minutes of time of possession. The Chiefs had a goal-line turnover. What more did Allen and the Bills need in order to win that game? They were even at home this time.
Exactly. Good points. Safety Dan doesn't know greatness because he's been a below average as a QB himself. So he feels he has to defend Josh Allen because he knows he will get criticized after the game.
Just because they had more plays doesn’t mean more opportunities dummy do u know how math works? 😂 the chiefs just scored quickly on big play opportunities and buffalo had to move the ball methodically down the field
Patrick mahomes is josh Allen’s ghost because no matter how good the bills look and no matter how good josh looks the bills will never beat the chiefs and Josh will never be as good as Patrick
The difference was that Allen repeatedly forced bad throws. While Mahomes either created plays or just tucked the ball away when nothing was available. Let's be real - as soon as the field goal unit came out, we knew the Chiefs were going for to win it on the next drive. The field goal miss had almost nothing to do with it.
FORCED bad throws? What are you even talking about. His o-line was held together with duct tape...he dominated the game with his legs and was getting absolutely crushed by the d-line... and who was catching the ball for him?
As a Chiefs fan I was shocked they were going to try and tie it up with that much time on the clock. Buffalo's defense wasn't going to stop the Chiefs from getting Butker into FG range.
Chiefs fan here. T. Bass, hold your head playboy. QB’s miss throws, Running back fumble, WR drop passes. Defensive players miss tackles. Kickers miss kicks. You’re good in my book bro
It's a bit of both. Bills blew opportunities to make plays that could have won the game for them, but the Chiefs also won it too. Our defense made the adjustments needed at halftime to limit the Bills in the second half, and Mahomes took his game to that level needed to get this done. The fake punt fail was nullified with Mecole's fumble in the end zone, so the game really just came down to who made plays and the Chiefs made a few more plays than the Bills. GGs to the Bills though. 👊🏽
Bills were lucky to be there in the first place. They beat a crippled Steelers defense, and took advantage of two critical turnovers. Otherwise the Steelers were right there to take that game. It would have been way better to see Houston against KC, and another edition of the Steelers/Ravens rivalry.
@@AmirKhan-yv8jm "It would have been better to see Steelers/Ravens". Your interpretation: "the Steelers would have beaten the Ravens". Based on that username, English may not be your first language, otherwise, you're a dunce.
@@therealbeedubbs35 Allen is a good guy and a good QB. But he's clearly behind Mahomes, Lamar, and Burrow. It's SO weird these pundits pretend he's the second coming of Christ instead of criticizing Allen fairly
@@therealbeedubbs35Allen is NOT great. Stop it! Allen does more running than Lamar but y’all call Lamar a running back. Allen never had a 36-6 TD-INT season but Lamar did but he’s not a QB… 16 passes behind the LOS for a great QB is outrageous.
@@James.Hill. he’s behind burrow in what key metric? Behind Lamar in what? Don’t talk about wins becasue that’s a team stat, Jimmy G made a superbowl as well and he’s dogshit
Dan watching Josh Allen Scramble all game for 10+ yards: "Yeah he's great." Dan watching Josh Allen Stand in the pocket and not scramble: "600 POUNDS IN HIS LAP"
When James Harden puts up huge numbers but folds in the playoffs, "he just doesn't have what it takes" but when Josh Allen puts up huge numbers and loses, "it's not his fault. he's still a great player" All people are looking for is a consistent narrative, that's all.
Two different players and sports, in basketball, it's a best of 7, therefore you have multiple opportunities to get it done. Football it's one game, you can play perfectly all season and have one bad game and your season is over. Also basketball, one person can dominate a whole game or series, in which football you can't. Not arguing with you, I just disagree slightly.
you're talking basketball vs football for this? Football is way more of a team sport. Look at how poorly the Bills defense played. They also had 2nd and 3rd string guys all over the field on defense
Dan actually has some good points in defense of Josh Allen here. Everyone who watched the game yesterday could see Josh had a good game, but once again he was slightly outplayed by Mahomes in the Playoffs. What I find funny about this debate though is that Shannon keeps refering to the fact: "You have to get it done, when it matters the most!" and is critisizing Josh Allen for that one throw he didnt make but when it is about the NBA and LeBron he has a double standard... Suddenly he will talk about the plays and the great game LeBron had up to a certain point and not the fact that he missed some crucial shots and couldn't get it done in the end. Or sometimes like in yesterdays game in certain moments it does not always come down to the Superstars and the outcome is determined by the fact wether or not a role player doesn't show up. Note: Adding to that the NFL is way more punishing than the NBA in terms of playoffs. We have a much smaller sample size and it really is literally a game of inches.
he said josh allen played spectacular. but he didnt. if he played spectacular he wouldve won the game and been clutch in the biggest moments of the game. period
The difference is that Lebron in his 21 years in the NBA he has shown that he can come through in the playoffs and win multiple championships, he earned the right to have the benefits of the doubt because we know he can win rings. Josh Allen hasn't proven that he can do that, so the criticism will be harsher because he is good enough to expect him to pull through proved it on the biggest stage but he keeps falling short at the same exact point. him missing that one throw is more detrimental to him than lebron missing a clutch jumper simply because we've seen lebron come through when its all on the line.
Careful if you say anything bad about Lebron Shannon will have to be hospitalized. Someone might want to mention to him that virtually everyone said the same things about Elway too who Shannon played with most of his career right up until his last 2 seasons when they finally got a good defense and running game.
McDermott needs to go. It’s not about fake punt yesterday but his coaching in all seasons. They haven’t beaten a team in playoffs with great QBs. He’s no where close to Andy Reid, Harbaugh & Zack Taylor who he will mostly face in playoffs.
Their gameplan yesterday was masterful……. Josh misses Diggs, kicker missed because of conditions. The fake punt was bad. But there were plays to be made
Media: "Chiefs are regressing and the league is catching up with them" Mahomes: "Hold my rings" Josh Allen: "Hold my half decade worth of divisional championship swag."
@@jakebarnes1950 THANK YOU!!! i was screaming, "step up in the pocket josh!" It was an easy move and a perfect pocket if he stepped up, literally sat in the only spot with pressure lmao
Crazy how I didnt hear Dan say nothing about Cee Dee Lamb drops against the Packers and put it all on Dak, but now its Allen, he giving Allen every excuse in the book lol
Orlovsky reading off a load of stats about long drives to credit Allen while he literally handed the ball off for most of it. What a way to tackle dishonest stats with even more dishonest stats
Right dude did nothing but check downs, screen passes, swing passes, ran, and still almost turned the ball over at least 2x’s just imagine had he thrown down the field often…they literally don’t trust that dude at all but the media wants you to believe he’s great..smh!
At some point people gotta wake up. Last year people doubted the Chiefs and didn't think they could get the job done late in the post season because they didn't have Hill. Now people are doubting them for having few weapons on offense. At some point, we have to say it, until the Chiefs fail to make it to the AFC Championship game with Mahomes, we should bet on them making it. Mahomes in his 6 years as a starter has gone to the AFC title game all 6 years. As for the Bills, no one should expect them to have their breakout year until it happens, they just can't get it done in the post season.
@alexdeghost2729 Why not? That title is often given to Tom Brady since no one in any sport is so far ahead of the pack in championship titles. Currently Mahomes is on pace to match Brady in that regard. Now obviously that’s a biggggg reach. Mahomes has 2 wins in 3 appearances while Brady has 7 wins in 10. But that being said, nobody else has ever even been on Brady’s pace.
The 2nd down miss to Shakir that Josh wasn't able to get enough on it....He was pressured. Were Josh's feet cemented to that spot? He could have stepped up in the pocket....he didn't. He's a very mobile QB...he had the ability and time to step up. and make the throw.
Josh Allen deserves 5%... Sean McDermott deserves 80% for defense being shredded and a terrible fake punt call... Stefon Diggs deserves 12% for coming up small... The kicker (3%) was put in a tough position and just missed it. Kudos to the kid for standing up and facing the music with the media after the game.
As a Packer fan, that kicker's response was legitimately what I WANT to hear a kicker say. Not because it's true (it's not solely his fault), but he needs to FEEL like it is so he uses that for motivation to never put his team in that position again. At the professional level there's no room for diffusion of responsibility.
Once I calmed down I think neither should get cut. However, new competition should be brought in. They need to earn their spots. Their spot on the roster shouldn't be a gimme either.
@@luisleyva2248 You still gotta make it in the playoffs. I'm not saying it was an easy kick but in the playoffs at the professional level you *have* to make that. Difficult kick? Sure. Impossible? Not by any stretch. Again, you have to make that with your season on the line. That's what separates a champion from everybody else. Vinatieri didn't miss kicks like that in those moments. There was plenty of blame to go around tho, so it isn't just on the kicker. Multiple Bills didn't make plays when they needed to, and that's why they're going home. Again.
In the second half Chiefs dominated the Bills. The score shouldn't have been that close to begin with. The reality is, Josh Allen is coming up short year after year in the playoffs
Mahomes is that dude who can make mistakes but still finds a way to win anyway,, if youre that team trying to beat him, you have to play a perfect game, you have to have zero mistakes
I'm a Chiefs fan and I when I heard that Tyler Bass was receiving threats on his social media and had to deactivate his account, it made me outraged. EVERY kicker has failed kicks, especially in big games! Don't believe me? just ask Harrison Butker. They are PEOPLE! not robots! NFL fans need to get a grip.
Boy you know the Bills fans mad asf they been shoveling that stadium out for 2 weeks 😩😂
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Yeah and they though bring in Peppa pig to the game would help but no lol.
There is only one Patrick Maholmes
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Ryan Clark said it best, " Josh Allen is not the reason they lost, but you know what the truly great ones are, the reason they win"
That's a crap comment too. There were plenty of times when Brady won because the defense made a play or did something that allowed him to "comeback" and win. Malcolm Butler and the defense against Atlanta are examples.
@@Arctanis-vt3hl yes, but there are plenty of times Brady did it in big games in big moments. When has Josh done it i big games or big moments? He hasn't. That's the difference.
@@Arctanis-vt3hl when those defenses made big plays, Brady executed. After Hardman fumbled the Bills had a 3 and out. And you do realize Brady has 6 rings right? You telling me that was all defense and field goals?
@@FastforwardrapTv205*7 rings
@@simpudney8191 thank you
Dan: "You said that Allen doesn't show up in the big moments".
Stephen A: "I did not say that".
Stephen A about 3 minutes later: "He didn't show up in the big moment."
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Steven A is an idiot 😂
Stuff like that happens all too often ☠️
I mean, is Stephen wrong 😂
That's true and I noticed that too. Stephen A tried to act like he didn't say that when he most definitely did.
Why is nobody mentioning that there was 1:30 left on the clock. Allen goes for the touchdown 2 plays in a row. He had Diggs underneath for the first down, he didn’t have to go for the home run. Especially considering that Mahomes beat you in the past with only 17 seconds. He should’ve taken the check down and kept the drive going. This loss is on josh Allen.
Is he really that I hear they talk about him like he’s one of a kind the show speak I can’t stand Joy & Shady.
3rd and 9 was on him. 2nd and 9 though, Shakir was wide open and Allen got pressured by Chris Jones. You would always take the TD when it was served to you like that when down by 3. If he succeed, it would force Mahomes to have to score TD, and frankly, our 2-minute offense hasn't been great all season. JA has responsibility on this lost, sure. But to say the loss was on him, I disagree.
@@choiyatlam2552 bro the bills literally didn’t get a stop on them at all.. patty was def gone march down there with 1:40 with 2 timeouts left.. if he could do it with 13 secs he def could’ve did it with 1:40 left
@@choiyatlam2552 they were both were on him what are you talking about, he’s just not that guy
10000% agree. Need to be aware of the game situation
This was the Bills best chance to beat Chiefs and they choked.
Choked? Kc had the lead 😂
Totally Agree 👍🏾🏈
Totally agree !! 👍
@@sirhoopalot1125 it was 27-24 the bills could have gotten a touchdown when they had the ball 😂
Idk what was said when they walked in at halftime after that lil scuffle, but the chiefs came out the second half and said that we gon punched them in the mouth. They got bullied and out muscled out on def and off.
“No no no he didn’t interrupt you. TAKE IT” 😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂
Facts
WEAK!!!!!!
Take this L!!!
Find someone who defends you the way Dan Orlovsky defends Josh Allen. 😂😂😂
Him along with that failed coach from the jets, and Greeny! Etc etc.
😂😂😂
I think Tony romo is worse
He Acts Like Josh Is His Lover 🤣🤣
He's right.its not his problem the recievers dropped passes.kicker fumbled his job and the defense didnt go after mahomes hard
I completely agree with Shannon. This was an extremely clean and professional performance from the chiefs with the exception of the hardman play.
You act only Shannon said that I completely disagree with you 😂 Dan spoke first and been said that before shannon smh
It was a good play. He knew how this game was going, & a TD would pretty much seal the deal. He thought he was closer than he was & could break the plane. Even so, it didn’t hurt KC.
I don’t feel like it’s a bad thing to say that all 3 of them are correct. SAS said the bills blew it(which was true) Dan said Allen was amazing(which he was) and the Chiefs defense made plays when it mattered( which they did). I feel like all the them are true😂
Every commentator just disregard Buffalo was fielding a second string defense, which was exploited
@@truetalk4993he should’ve said it last
Shannon should have hit Dan with "you have an unnatural allegiance to losers" 😂
😂😂
Well played!
"And that isn't like you." 😂
This needs to be the top comment!!! 😂😂😂
Lmao
Legend has it that Diggs is still standing on the field with both hands on his helmet till this day.
Legend is Josh Allen still hasn’t beat a top qb in the playoffs
He talks way too much to play the way he did last night. Way too much.
@@Famouszero22switch Allen over to Reid, McDermott was fired by Reid
@@Famouszero22does Mahomes play defense?
Nah, he’s done with the Bills lol
Did everyone forget about the Allen fumble too!! That was almost a scoop and score. No one is talking about that.
Doesn’t fit the narrative
You hellaa fine ❤
They forget the pick the chiefs dropped too and the hardman fumble that would’ve put them up double digits. Chiefs didn’t punt til the 4th quarter 💀
How about the Hamlin fake punt
Right!
I don’t wanna hear Diggs complain about Josh Allen again
Diggs disappeared in the biggest moments. He's all talk!
Diggs talks like he's a top 5 receiver. You can't run your mouth and have an attitude but don't back it up. He was humbled last night
@@Ray__E that's a fact!
Drops happens
I'll do it for him. Allen doesn't get it done when it matters
Its crazy how in the next segment dan says Lamar has to WIN the Superbowl to get the respect he deserves, but josh should get respect for playing "great" in these playoff losses.
Its crazy the double standard.
Its cause Josh is white so I guess he is superior to the black qbs but a black qb has more rings than any qb playing right now never want to give #15 pm his credit never not good enough
Yeah blatant racism.
Dan has been showing his bias hard
He doesn't say that Lamar isn't great, and he does need to win to get respect from the doubters. The narrative isn't just that Chiefs own the Bills, it's also that the Chiefs own the Ravens.
Allen has 5 playoff wins to Lamar's 2. That Ravens team is absolutely stacked, can't even compare the Bills defense now to the Ravens
Even if Bass made that FG, the Chiefs easily made a drive to consume the rest of the clock and let Butker win it. The Bills needed to bleed that clock all the way to less than 30 seconds and score a TD, leaving the Chiefs no time. That throw to the endzone was a killer. They were marching fine with the shorter gains.
Throw to Endzone Made No Sense...Nervous Pass Too
@@jackwoods9604 Seemed like a desperate haymaker to end it (and still would have given Mahomes the ball).
@@pjny21 leaving over 1:30 with two timeouts to Mahomes if far from ending it, specially with your defense getting smoked all day
That defense has been held together by duct tape and gum, so yes. But Bass should have got cut after last week though
1:47 left, can't leave Mahomes any time on the clock. Allen had chances to convert the 2nd and 9, check down to Diggs would have kept the clock running and convert. Why leave it in the hands of the kicker 44 yards away with the weather as a factor. Not 100% his fault. Instead Allen goes deep twice?
The halftime adjustments the chiefs made is the difference. Their defense came out swinging in the second half
I think the bills actually just exhausted the playbook
So many long drives eventually the defense keyed in
That does correlate with the adjustments though
@@Acradusomg did we!! I was there. It was like we were telling them the plays afterwhile.
Bills problem is the coaching
I love these 3 guys! Each of their debating performances is top tier!
FACTS
“ he shoulda walked straight to his car & went home “ 😂
Dumb statement by Stephen a myth
That kicker is a dumb-bass.
gone* home
I love ❤️ it sas is hilarious 😂
If he did, then the offense should have too by not running the ball and going for the TD, instead of leaning on a kick at 4; years in the wind
Pacheco is the x-factor. Another great find by Andy Reid. That dude runs so hard, fist fights the guy who tackles him and runs full speed back to the huddle. Dude is a complete STUD!
Yup. They finally found the replacement for Kareem Rush they've been looking for all these years. And they found a #1 with Rashee Rice.
Him Rice George Karlaftis Sneed Reid . Tranquil addition
Nobody gets more credit for losing than Josh Allen.
Amen
It’s crazy considering diggs dropped a 50 yard pass and then they blame it on Josh
Lamar says hello
imo he set his team up to go in ot with the kick what more could he do
Josh Allen is overrated
This is exactly why Dan was who dan was in the league and Shannon was who Shannon was greatness doesn’t tolerate excuses 🥴🥴
Literally EXACTLY what I was thinking when I watched that 😅😅😅
Ears is 2-10 as a starter enough said
Shannon played with Elway for a decade while people said the same stupid crap about him as Shannon just said about Josh Allen. The only reason they won 2 rings is because they got Neil Smith and Terrell Davis.
Well said! 🤣🤣🤣
@@Paul-vf2wlsee. Your a Dan and not a Shannon. Making excuses is making excuses. You obviously don't understand how talent works if you believe a QB and WR or TE relationship is a one way street. Both sides have to work. Period
The kicker being blamed is the most simplistic take of this entire game. IT'S FOOTBALL, THE WEATHER PLAYS A HUGE FACTOR. It didn't go right cuz he whiffed it, it was wide because of the wind. That's why you rely on your offense to get as close as possible when you know the elements aren't on your side
3 points is the definition of close.
You don’t understand those 3 points are very important
I agree we forget that Mother Nature plays a factor ESPECIALLY in Buffalo it’s basically Canada. Josh Allen should’ve been better I personally still believe that field goal still wouldn’t of been enough bc there was still like over min and half left
Problem is it’s home field advantage he should have known the elements
All he had to do was turn around and see the flags of the opposite post and see it blow hard right and made necessary adjustments
that was the case for the first miss, but go back and watch the last miss - the wind was barely a factor
Dan wants to treat Josh like he is on level with Mahomes, without holding him to the Mahomes standard
💯💯💯💯
He only outplays Mahomes every single time they play. Mahomes simply takes credit for Reid’s brilliance
@@oblivionpro69stop😂
@@oblivionpro69😂 oh buddy you really making stuff up. Stats, eye test, and results would beg to differ.
@@oblivionpro69 Gotta get it done 🤷🏽♂️
Dan has been consistent about pointing out drops counting against qbs all season, he said it when lamar and mahomes's guys were doing the same earlier in the season. Let's be fair.
But he's acting like only Josh had to overcome adversity. Mahomes literally had Hardman fumble the ball out the endzone and take away 7 points. The difference is Mahomes overcomes the challenges more often than Josh can.
Nawwww. He’s caped for white qbs far more if you wanna be honest about it. He truly picks and chooses if you pay close attention.
@@taylormalone2627that final score was the chiefs defense holding up and Pacheco closed out the game
@@mylesbrew5410Man, i rarely agree with Dan, but stop with that bs. He's given plenty of praise to Mahomes/Lamar over the years, and praised CJ Stroud heavily going into the draft and put him in the MVP conversation like halfway through the season. He's not a racist bro...he just sleeps with a Josh Allen blowup doll at night
@@mylesbrew5410 nahhh don't start with that bullsh**
early on in the season when they had the topic " does lamar deserve his money"
Dan was the only guy defending him..
Orlovsky has a life size poster of Josh Allen on the ceiling above his bed
Not quiet as bad as Romo
No, he just isn't an idiot
@@ericvoltron he definitely is!!
On the last drive, Josh Allen had a dropped interception. A fumble, missed a wide open crosser, and terrible under throw to the end zone. Thats shouldn’t even been thrown to the end zone based off time & score. Dan is tweaking.
Absolutely. These blowhards never bring up the real.
this ^ 100% - thank you
FINALLY SOMEONE WHO GETS IT!!! Plus if Mecole Hardman (pause) doesn’t fumble out the endzone the game is done done.
Right! If McDuffie hadn't bat that ball down, Sneed would have had an interception.
Buffalo recovering that fumble saved Josh Allen from far worse criticism than this. Chiefs should've picked it up easily but the football gods kept giving the Bills multiple chances to get it done. Stephen A and the production team showed all four reasons why they lost
One of the best first take debates of the year 🔥🔥🔥
Gotta give a HUGE shoutout to Stephen A. His panel of analysts and guests is top-notch. Didn't think I would enjoy watching Dan Orlosky as much as I do, but man, debates like this make me wanna go back to paying for cable.
I much prefer Ryan Clark. Stephen A is an entertainer who gets on my nerves sometimes.
Stephen A knows nothing about the game and his entire character is built on raising his voice. He is a fool when it comes to understanding this game.
Josh was about to quote green eggs and ham. Here, there, anywhere 😂
Al Bundy did the best ever green eggs and ham monologue 😂
I peeped that!!😂
i swear i told my wife the same thing🤣
😂😂😂😂😂 bro this is funny af
“You’re knocking a guy cause he’s not Patrick” Dan is a professional gaslighter. If he’s not Patrick, stop comparing him to Patrick.
He isn't comparing him to Patrick, Sharpe and Smith are
@@jamesmcdonnell1465Dan said on get up he will never stop comparing him to Pat
I hate how he keeps saying they Josh Allen played bad when that’s not what they said, he just didn’t get the job done and it’s facts
@@halletfrancis249so when mahomes needed a fg to tie the game got to a 51 yard attempt and made it. It’s all cheers for mahomes and Allen gets his fg kicker at the 44 but he misses and it’s all on Allen?
They also said he didn’t play spectacular! Cause I mean throwing 16 passes behind the LOS isn’t spectacular Dan!!! 😂. He acting like those 16 passes was him carving the chiefs up!! Dude throwing less than a yard to a receiver and the receiver did all the work and now we’re calling that spectacular Dan?!?! Ridiculous!! He didn’t play bad whatsoever!! It’s a a good game from both teams and both Qs. He just didn’t play like Dan saying he played because he wasn’t throwing down the field like that!
Dan glazing hard asf this morning.
Dan deepthroating so hard 😂
Lmfaooo 😂😂😂😂😂😂 For real!!!
That’s a 3rd string QB analysis.so put that in perspective
@@jollydata4299 Clown
He’s best friends with Josh Allen they should put a disclaimer on the bottom that his opinion shouldn’t be taken seriously about Josh Allen because he has a conflict of interest 😂 bro really said Josh was spectacular with 186 passing yards and underthrowing and overthrowing like always 😂 yeah he has an arm but he has terrible touch with it
Y’all need to stop acting like the Chiefs didn’t have missed opportunities that could’ve lead to more touchdowns. Both teams had missed opportunities but one team was just a little bit better than the other.
the bills had more missed oppourtinitys the one touchdown the cheifs missed in the red zone with the fumble was only because there was a damar hamlin fake punt 🤣
@@briancashman1336Was it a missed opportunity or was it a stupid play call that almost led to 7 points if it wasn’t for Hardman fumbling into the end zone?
Every team in every game ever played has missed opportunities to score. The ones worth talking about are the ones that are close and made the difference down the stretch.
Nfl will decide brady got 4 from the league we will see
@@tyronejones1082Seriously if Hardman doesn't literally have that unbelievably terrible play, this game isn't even close.
Steven A’s face when he said "Take it!l to Dan Orlovsky 😂
😂😂😂
I was in tears🤣🤣🤣🤣 take it Dan 😂😂😂
What does Steven A mean he's sick of the sugar coating, "when you consider the violence that consists in the sport of football...?" Is he talking about on or off the field? What's his point?
@@isabellind1292He's saying that for the most part, kickers don't have to worry about getting hit or dodging tackles. They're highly unlikely to ever be at the bottom of a dog pile or in the middle of a scrum. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with him, I'm just explaining what he meant.
@@micah4029 OH, that makes sense! Thank you.🏈☺
When are we going to realize that the Bill can’t beat the Chiefs when it matters!!!
bills can’t win when it matters in general. they got no rings
Somebody pin this comment 👆🏽💯
Do you know how many defensive starter they were missing
Facts
@@cameronmcmasterdon’t care this is their 3rd loss
NO ONE not even mahomes gets more excuses than Allen
They want him to be Mahomes rival and peer soo badd
Herbert
Justin Herbert
People legit had Herbert over Lamar
They want them to be rivals so bad 😂
I absolutely LOVED this debate. 🤣🤣
People like Dan is the reason why the bills have never made the Super Bowl and that coach McDermott hasn’t been fired! That glazing is unreal
Right he delusional they crown this guy and he can't beat burrow or Mahomes! That's just the facts! Allen great talent but they don't get it done!
McDermott needs firing not good enough. Allen is a great player should stick with him.
@@jthardworkanddedicated4976how’s it his fault that Diggs dropped a td pass and the kicker misses??? The coaching sucks too, he could’ve done better that last drive but how is it that every year bro has to be carrying the team on his back.
Glazing? Are you 12 years old?
He’s not wrong. Allen played well. Bad playcalling
Out of all the pairings on this show the pairing of Stephen, Molly, Dan, and Shannon has gotta be my favorite
Dan trying to twist the conversation so he can heap praise on Allen is so frustrating to watch
could it be because Allen played a good game? could it be because he himself scored 2 touchdowns against the 3rd best defense in the league, while his own defense only had two starting linebackers?
Move on MUPPET!
Calm down bro
This is how epsn gets you to comment
@@purpletomato5535please don't add injuries everyone has injuries, do you think think the eagles won't love to have at least one of their linebackers😂 No one complained about injuries when they won six straight
@purpletomato5535 Mahomes was limping last year and made better decisions and throws when he missed his top 3 wide receivers and got to the superbowl. Josh can run so good and keeps throwing when game is on line like an idiot. So much talent and doesn't know how to fully use it. Can't wait to see when he can't run as good in two or three years and see If he improves throwing without being able to run otherwise mf will get picked more than now which would be crazy ahaha
Stephen A yelling at Dan to "TAKE IT" from Shannon is tough
Esp when I feel that it's 2 to 1 and Dan is right😅😅
Stephen a myth yelling at the kicker shows how low class he is
@@dewaynecastan8444I mean he’s not though. Their point is sound. Josh Allen shows up until he is genuinely needed, and then he folds. Joe Burrow is closer to a ring than Josh.
Black privilege
@@ashleybee00josh allen threw a 80 yard tear drop bomb that Diggs dropped but sure it’s all Allen’s fault that last drive didn’t score
Thats right, take it dan 😂😂😂😂😂
Ok pipe boy
It has to be so frustrating to be a team in the AFC not named the Chiefs. Chiefs receivers were dropping passes all year long and all these analysts were saying no one is scared of the Chiefs anymore and at the end of the day it doesn't even matter lol.
this was on buffalo...no consistent plays beyond the line of scrimmage, making it easy on the chiefs.
Chiefs offense was not the same this year because of all of that. Last night is the best the offense played all year
Cincinnati ain’t scared of the chiefs
Cincinnati has never won anything Shane
I had money kc the whole way 😂😂😂
When folks gonna realize this "rivalry" isnt the new Brady vs Manning.... 😒
I mean, Brady won almost all the time 🤣
Lamar and Patrick is though.
I mean it kinda is, brady won a lot of those matchups
Look it up, Brady in Foxborough vs manning 8-2
Brady beat Manning a lot & Manning didn’t win his first MVP until year 6, Josh Allen was just in year 6 so he has time to get his accolades still.
I didn't kno Josh threw the ball 16 times behind the line of scrimmage. But soon as my guy Purdy does it 3 times they say, that's all he does. 🤦🏿♂️
Go Niners!
Josh never does this. He needs to do it more. Purdy doesn’t need to throw it deep
My thing is this.. why would Josh Allen try to throw the ball in the endzone anyway ? they should have played for a first down and run the clock down.. then whether you score a touchdown or a field goal it doesn't matter cause you leave the chiefs no time on the clock.. poor decison by josh allen and the coaching
Josh allen football iq is quite bad… he always does this
FACTS!!!!
@@dominiqueduram8930Absolutely right
Dan got josh Allen all over his mouth this morning 🤣🤣
Mahomes: 17-23, 91.2 QBR, cmp% 73.9
Allen: 26-39, 65.4 QBR, cmp% 66.7
Sure was the best player on the field
stat picking 🤣
😂
The Allen glazing b crazy
what else are u supposed to look at @@briancashman1336
@@briancashman1336you again. Haha aye, this guys been on every sports video this morning defending Josh Allen's choke job. If a josh had Mahomes stats and won, you be on your knees for him right now
Here comes Dan trying to protect his boyfriend again 😂😂😂
😅😅
He and skip try their hardest to protect their boyfriend
😂😂
The tiresome juvenile high school humor makes its appearance again!
🤣🤣🤣
This whole video is Stephen A and Shannon saying Josh Allen played good but not great and Dan simply didnt want to hear that 😂
If Lamar Jackson was Josh Allen everybody would be blaming him saying he chokes in the playoffs but now Dan wants to make excuses for Allen
Save your Lamar excuses for next week 😂😅
@@FelixtheCat-8310 No excuses from me bro I just hate the selective criticism. When Lamar didn’t have receivers show up and drop passes in playoff games he still gets the blame…. All I’m saying is keep the same energy for all Qbs
@@FelixtheCat-8310Not going to be needed. Ravens are going to blow the doors of the Chiefs.
Josh allen beat Lamar in the playoffs
Facts I agree if this was Lamar he would be talking bad about Lamar.
Dan’s argument is SO WEAK. Bro what game were you watching!? Yes I agree Josh Allen made some great plays but when it MATTERED he couldn’t get it done and Pat Mahomes did that why they’re on 2 completely different levels
It’s hilarious considering the Bills defense laid a egg but apparently it’s all on Josh lmao 😂
I love that his excuse for Brady being great is a kicker and saying Edelman and Gronk made him great. He acts like this dude doesn't have a top 5 WR on his team.
@@danielventura8118forced a fumble in the endzone….. KC defense didn’t play well either til it mattered 😒
Mahomes is literally Brock Purdy with curly hair, taking all the credit shoe doing nothing
When you throw a 60 yard bomb for a go-ahead touchdown in the fourth quarter that literally hits your receiver in the hands, you made the play when it MATTERED. Mahomes wasn't perfect. Allen wasn't perfect. They were definitely not on 2 completely different levels last night. They both played well and were both a lot of fun to watch.
They wanted Josh Allen to be the face of the league as soon as Mahomes won his first championship. Now they want Burrow to be the face. Mahomes keep shutting it down. But I remember it clear, they was trying to replace Mahomes as the best in the league for Josh Allen just because.
OH please! They want Kelce and Swift on tv as much as possible. Stop the bs with "the NFL wants every qb but Mahomes to be the face of the League" ...😂😂😂
Actually last superbowl they wanted Kansas to win with that holding call against the Eagles. And the superbowl before that was decided by a flag against the Bengals in favor of the Rams. So they didn't support Burrow then the way they supported Mahomes the following year. I assumed the NFL wanted to make Mahomes the next Brady, which would make total sense because of Mahomes just having the it factor. Mahomes is just such an electrifying talent. Btw I think the refereeing was quite good yesterday.
@@jude_99in the interest of honesty, mahomes is whiter than he is black, and not that one way is better than the other, but he certainly acts more “white” than “black”…
Still, i don’t get this obsession over melanin. It’s so tribal and divisive on both sides. Everyone is an individual. People and the media want a new Brady V Manning, so thats why they’ve been pushing the narrative so hard. People hate on Mahomes like they hated Brady. People love to see number 1 fall and hate seeing their dominance.
@@JarrettMehldauThe league definitely wanted a white savior at qb.. however Mahomes is so good they will certainly favor him over any other black qb.. I just hope that they don't do Lamar dirty with the officiating this week cause the media alone certainly hates on Lamar alot
@@JarrettMehldau bro. forget the game against the Eagles. the chiefs weren't even supposed to be in the superbowl to begin with. the refs were trying so hard to get the chiefs to beat the bengals in the afc title. it should have been bengals vs eagles in the superbowl
These are the times I really appreciate Dan. Were Allen's numbers statistically spectacular against an average team? No. Were Josh's numbers good against that KC defense? Absolutely. Best QB performance against KC of the entire year. People forget that QBs play against defenses and those Pro-Defenses have a say in how well you do.
No more rivalry talk. Beat the chiefs ONCE, then we will have a talk Bills.
No kidding, all of the Bills' regular season wins literally didn't matter in the end.
The real rivalry is Chiefs - Bengals
@@Austin6403 *With a healthy Joe Burrow but yes. 🙌
@@Austin6403 I don’t know man I’m going to need joe to get at least a regular season MVP we can’t be calling these guys mahomes rivals and they have no hardware no ice💯 just say
@@dariusjohnson6013but he kept beating mahomes what are you talking about? So for the mahomes fans Brady is clearly the better QB n 🐐 beat mahomes n has the hardware
Dan was almost crying at one point. Lol.
Dan is to Allen what Skip was to Brady, Shannon was getting flashbacks. 😂
brady got 7 rings lil bro
@@stewie4467okay what does that have to do with what he said? Dan defends Josh like he has 7 rings 😂
@@stewie4467Nobody was arguing that? He’s just saying Dan is an Allen dickrider like Skip was a Brady dickrider.
😂😂
@@jusbertmeza4424 And doesn't change the fact that Skip could never acknowledge when Brady had a bad game ever, which DID happen, happens to everyone.
People need to be talking about the worst fake punt call in history. That kicker shouldn’t even be the scapegoat
Nothing came of it. So it shouldn't be talked about.
Nothing came off it
SAS talkin bout let him speak TAKE IT 😭😂😂
It’s frustrating because I completely agree with Dan from the perspective that Josh Allen did perform great and that his receivers and kicker missed opportunities but SA and Shannon are also correct in that somehow some way a “Spectacular” QB would just find a way to get it done.
You can’t be a spectacular QB and be 0-4 against the same team who does the same thing every year.
You most definitely can be a spectacular qb and lose the same team four times. Patrick mahomes is just better
Ask Peyton Manning
@@madeofglass012 That’s definitely a fair assessment after yesterday’s game and especially in team sports overall, but the truth of the matter is you’ve been beat by the same Quarterback 3 times in a row in the postseason and this was your chance to finally beat him at home and have arguably the biggest game of your career. He didn’t get it done.
Just sad for Allen overall but I have no doubt he’ll get the better of him one day.
Final Drive though Diggs open across the middle. Throws it deep and is still like five yards short of the target, who was doubled. He had chances to check it down and get a first. But went for the Home Run. Yes a TD would have been great. But all you need is a FG to tie. With plenty of time and two timeouts.
The game was a prime example of "You win as a team, you lose as a team". Which is what Josh Allen even said after the game. The guy was exceptional for 98% of the game. He did ALMOST everything he could to succeed. But ultimately, they couldn't get Bass close enough to nail the FG.
They lost but it was FAR from an effort for Allen to be ashamed of.
But that’s not the fun take to admit both QB’s did a phenomenal job and at the end one team had to lose. Allen did play phenomenally, made plays when he could, and took what the defense gave him, it just wasn’t enough. Mahomes carved up that Buffalo defense with ease, and that was honestly the difference. Everytime KC had the ball, they’d score incredibly fast because Buffalo and McDermott had no answers. KC forced them to work for everything, hence the TOP difference, and for the most part Buffalo did it. Like you said, they couldn’t finish the job, and then Bass couldn’t make the kick. There are much bigger problems in Buffalo than the imaginary Josh Allen choking narrative, like Sean McDermott’s coaching, Stefon Diggs being invisible on the field, and even the skill positions overall.
44 yrds is a college level FG
That 98% don’t matter if you can’t show up and perform on the finale 2% when in the playoffs is the most important
@Albofootball23 that's why u have teammates to make plays when u not doing good om the 2% that's how Tom Brady won chips that's how everyone one rings
He fumbled in the 4th
quarter
It's NOT that he isn't Patrick, Dan. It's that HE, Josh Allen didn't TAKE OVER the game when he needed to. Tom Brady takes over games, Steph Curry takes over games ..... it's not just Patrick. Josh Allen is going to have to find that type of energy to win.
Steph curry doesn't take over games
@@ceez4781stop the cap Game 6 against the Celtics in the finals? Game 5 against the Raptors Klay and KD went down, Game 4 against the Cavs 2015
You didn't watch the game
No one fears Josh Allen having the ball at the end of the game. Let's keep it a buck. He throws INTs in the endzone. He fumbles. He misses wide open WRs. No one is afraid of him, at home or otherwise. Is he good? VERY good. Is he great? Nah. Brady and Mahomes with the ball in a two minute drill needing a TD to win? You better fear them. Allen? I mean I guess he could win, but he hasn't.
@@ceez4781 so you didn't watch the finals last year?
I'm a Patrick Mahomes homer, but I agree with Dan - this scrutiny on Josh Allen is ridiculous. Both QBs had absolutely incredible games. If the Chiefs had lost, would we have to blast Patrick Mahomes for not hitting Travis Kelce for that 3rd touchdown?
If they won, they would be talking like he is the man with the same stats. Now that they lost, those same numbers were not enough. If the kick was made, it would have been back square 1 and on mahomes to drive and win, which is out of joshs hands since hes on offense.
The loss is on Allen and one day he is gonna get his head knocked off. Brah, you ain’t t an RB.
@@vectwon9797 Exactly. The guy had 3 total TDs, 258 total yards, and no turnovers. On overall production, that is 2nd only to Lamar Jackson this weekend, and it was against maybe the 2nd best defense left in the playoffs.
It's a shame because it downplays what the Chiefs accomplished.
@lindaleg3659 but steve mcnair and ben rothlesberger can be the rb and labeled tough, but allen can't? Its a team loss. Plenty of blame to go around
@@vectwon9797 fumbles???
This is one thing that sucks about sports analysis, whenever a kicker makes kicks they give the QB the praise, “ohh he drove down the field” but when a kicker doesn’t make it then it’s “the kicker missed the kick, the QB did everything right” no he didn’t if he did everything right then he would’ve scored a touchdown, asking your kicker to bail you out from 44 yards in unpredictable weather and wind then blaming him for the loss is silly
Solid take
If he'd driven another 10 yards instead of taking two shots at the end zone, it would have been a chip shot field goal.
Great take
Yes and no. First. It’s Josh Allen. If your do great. Why did you play like an option quarterback? Second. You’re. A kicker. You got one job. One.
@@timwormusexactly he’s been known to be a gambler and that’s why out of his peers he throws more picks! The people they have him in the top tier with like Patty Burrow and Lamar! He just didn’t get it done in the moments like they said! And throwing almost half your passes behind the LOS doesn’t make your play spectacular! But aye Dan keep riding that Josh Allen train like everyone else! He consistently turns the ball over! Yet the media loves pairing his stats against Patrick’s and always makes it seem like they’re on the same level!! Stop this nonsense!! 2 MVPs and 2 bowls compared to 0!! And KC keeps taking them out the playoffs lol.
Idc what anyone says, this was a good game. This game came down to efficiency.
Two words, Andy Reid. His play calling is outstanding. He is a legend
Andy Reid was known as a guy who couldn’t win the big one before Patrick Mahomes got there. Patrick Mahomes is the legend Andy Reid is a good coach with a great player.
@@seankelly4594both need each other
@@seankelly4594exactly. That’s a tired statement that always seems to be made when Mahomes wins games lol
He always gets way too cute in the red zone
For that matter you can say the same thing about Belichick. Bill was a good coach with a great player.
Great stuff guys, loved it.. Couldn't stop laughing, after crying for two days... Thanks
If Lamar had the same game y’all would say he blew it
Lamar just had an absolute mediocre game vs the average texans defense. just 152 passing yards? That is a Justin Field type of stat
@@patek9789 the difference is he won. Stats don't win games, more points than the other team does. If stats won championships my Phins would have done something relevant instead of stinking like 2 week old tuna.
@@memyself898 Yeah he won because the D line of the ravens absolutely dominated the Texans O line stroud was pressured whether if he was blitzed or not
@@patek9789 everything after "because" is irrelevant.
@@memyself898 He still didn’t play good. It’s sad that game vs Texans was the best of his playoff career
Dan, for the love of god, Allen had TIWCE as many opportunities as Mahomes and the Chiefs did! 30 more snaps, 20 more minutes of time of possession. The Chiefs had a goal-line turnover. What more did Allen and the Bills need in order to win that game? They were even at home this time.
Exactly. Good points. Safety Dan doesn't know greatness because he's been a below average as a QB himself. So he feels he has to defend Josh Allen because he knows he will get criticized after the game.
Exactly it's like no matter what happen Josh Allen is the best but he's not the best is #15 pm why he still trying to Josh losing is beyond me
Just because they had more plays doesn’t mean more opportunities dummy do u know how math works? 😂 the chiefs just scored quickly on big play opportunities and buffalo had to move the ball methodically down the field
@@zerimar26so u know greatness better from the perspective of sitting on your couch your whole life rather than someone who played in the league? 😂
Patrick mahomes is josh Allen’s ghost because no matter how good the bills look and no matter how good josh looks the bills will never beat the chiefs and Josh will never be as good as Patrick
The difference was that Allen repeatedly forced bad throws. While Mahomes either created plays or just tucked the ball away when nothing was available. Let's be real - as soon as the field goal unit came out, we knew the Chiefs were going for to win it on the next drive. The field goal miss had almost nothing to do with it.
Agreed. Josh has to raise his game! Period. Bills 4 Life!. Peace
FORCED bad throws? What are you even talking about. His o-line was held together with duct tape...he dominated the game with his legs and was getting absolutely crushed by the d-line... and who was catching the ball for him?
It’s was Tim Allen on the last 4 qtr drive.
As a Chiefs fan I was shocked they were going to try and tie it up with that much time on the clock. Buffalo's defense wasn't going to stop the Chiefs from getting Butker into FG range.
That is a BS take.
Chiefs fan here. T. Bass, hold your head playboy. QB’s miss throws, Running back fumble, WR drop passes. Defensive players miss tackles. Kickers miss kicks. You’re good in my book bro
It's a bit of both. Bills blew opportunities to make plays that could have won the game for them, but the Chiefs also won it too. Our defense made the adjustments needed at halftime to limit the Bills in the second half, and Mahomes took his game to that level needed to get this done. The fake punt fail was nullified with Mecole's fumble in the end zone, so the game really just came down to who made plays and the Chiefs made a few more plays than the Bills. GGs to the Bills though. 👊🏽
Bills were lucky to be there in the first place. They beat a crippled Steelers defense, and took advantage of two critical turnovers. Otherwise the Steelers were right there to take that game.
It would have been way better to see Houston against KC, and another edition of the Steelers/Ravens rivalry.
@@nahor88Steelers would NOT have beaten the Ravens!
@@AmirKhan-yv8jm "It would have been better to see Steelers/Ravens". Your interpretation: "the Steelers would have beaten the Ravens". Based on that username, English may not be your first language, otherwise, you're a dunce.
@@AmirKhan-yv8jm They literally swept the Ravens this year lmaoo 🤡
@@jsmithers.beat their practice squad in week 18 lol but yeah they woulda beat the ravens
The way Dan talks about Allen compared to how he talks about Mahomes and Lamar...seems a little odd
Because everyone hates on Allen for no reason. Really doesn’t make sense. He’s great and a great person.
@@therealbeedubbs35 Allen is a good guy and a good QB. But he's clearly behind Mahomes, Lamar, and Burrow. It's SO weird these pundits pretend he's the second coming of Christ instead of criticizing Allen fairly
this dude called the playoff record against good QBS and their squads stupid knowing every one would use that against LJ
@@therealbeedubbs35Allen is NOT great. Stop it! Allen does more running than Lamar but y’all call Lamar a running back. Allen never had a 36-6 TD-INT season but Lamar did but he’s not a QB… 16 passes behind the LOS for a great QB is outrageous.
@@James.Hill. he’s behind burrow in what key metric? Behind Lamar in what? Don’t talk about wins becasue that’s a team stat, Jimmy G made a superbowl as well and he’s dogshit
Josh Allen isn’t quarterbackey enough for me.
might be the dumbest comment ive ever read
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Josh Allen beat lamar in the playoffs
Who said that again? I remember somebody said that not too long ago 😂
@@westhoodqualzini7884Josh has no clutch gene 🤷🏾♂️ try again next year 😂
Dan watching Josh Allen Scramble all game for 10+ yards: "Yeah he's great."
Dan watching Josh Allen Stand in the pocket and not scramble: "600 POUNDS IN HIS LAP"
When RC and Shannon TWO Super Bowl champions disagree with you in what it takes to win just shut up
Exactly! Dan was 🗑️ in NFL statistics and always comes on these shows like he’s the real deal.
I'm not listening to anyone who got a safety like Dan did
@@beyondthedetails Because you were a better QB right? Simmer down and shut up
@@CoachVFitness Get the guys D out your mouth weirdo.
"that looked like my first pitch" 🤣🤣🤣🤣
When James Harden puts up huge numbers but folds in the playoffs, "he just doesn't have what it takes" but when Josh Allen puts up huge numbers and loses, "it's not his fault. he's still a great player" All people are looking for is a consistent narrative, that's all.
Lol James harden puts up horrible numbers and avoids the ball in the playoffs
Two different players and sports, in basketball, it's a best of 7, therefore you have multiple opportunities to get it done. Football it's one game, you can play perfectly all season and have one bad game and your season is over. Also basketball, one person can dominate a whole game or series, in which football you can't. Not arguing with you, I just disagree slightly.
you're talking basketball vs football for this? Football is way more of a team sport. Look at how poorly the Bills defense played. They also had 2nd and 3rd string guys all over the field on defense
Omfg. THIIIS is some real talk !
Allen has only played 5 seasons, Harden has 13. He may not be Mahomes but he’s either 2 or 3 in the league, what more can you ask for
Dan actually has some good points in defense of Josh Allen here. Everyone who watched the game yesterday could see Josh had a good game, but once again he was slightly outplayed by Mahomes in the Playoffs.
What I find funny about this debate though is that Shannon keeps refering to the fact: "You have to get it done, when it matters the most!" and is critisizing Josh Allen for that one throw he didnt make but when it is about the NBA and LeBron he has a double standard...
Suddenly he will talk about the plays and the great game LeBron had up to a certain point and not the fact that he missed some crucial shots and couldn't get it done in the end.
Or sometimes like in yesterdays game in certain moments it does not always come down to the Superstars and the outcome is determined by the fact wether or not a role player doesn't show up.
Note: Adding to that the NFL is way more punishing than the NBA in terms of playoffs. We have a much smaller sample size and it really is literally a game of inches.
he said josh allen played spectacular. but he didnt. if he played spectacular he wouldve won the game and been clutch in the biggest moments of the game. period
The difference is that Lebron in his 21 years in the NBA he has shown that he can come through in the playoffs and win multiple championships, he earned the right to have the benefits of the doubt because we know he can win rings. Josh Allen hasn't proven that he can do that, so the criticism will be harsher because he is good enough to expect him to pull through proved it on the biggest stage but he keeps falling short at the same exact point. him missing that one throw is more detrimental to him than lebron missing a clutch jumper simply because we've seen lebron come through when its all on the line.
Careful if you say anything bad about Lebron Shannon will have to be hospitalized. Someone might want to mention to him that virtually everyone said the same things about Elway too who Shannon played with most of his career right up until his last 2 seasons when they finally got a good defense and running game.
Facts I think Thailannes answered your question
Josh Allen had a great first half, second half he was average. 7 points in the second half. When it mattered the most he wasn’t great.
Shannon with the “Fred Astaire” 😂😂😂
McDermott needs to go. It’s not about fake punt yesterday but his coaching in all seasons. They haven’t beaten a team in playoffs with great QBs. He’s no where close to Andy Reid, Harbaugh & Zack Taylor who he will mostly face in playoffs.
Haha you snuck in Zac Taylor..
@@DogDongDotComat least Zack been to SB and is better than McD
@@DogDongDotComZac Taylor has beaten McDermott in the playoffs, though.
@@DogDongDotCom haha the same Zac Taylor that came in to Buffalo in 22 and beat the Bills at Buffalo lol.
Their gameplan yesterday was masterful……. Josh misses Diggs, kicker missed because of conditions. The fake punt was bad. But there were plays to be made
Media: "Chiefs are regressing and the league is catching up with them"
Mahomes: "Hold my rings"
Josh Allen: "Hold my half decade worth of divisional championship swag."
Mahomes- Hold my Andy Reid and Goat TE. Dude is Brock Purdy with curly hair taking credit for doing nothing
When a low IQ fan knows nothing about football@@oblivionpro69
That pass to Shakir, Allen got hit on his follow through by the left tackle. You can't make that pass without following through. Orlovsky is spot on.
Purdy made that throw in a similar situation the day before.
Allen could of moved one step to give him a clean throw! Thats the elite QB option to be a statue or feel the pressure coming!
Not an excuse, should’ve stepped up to not be hit
@@jakebarnes1950 THANK YOU!!! i was screaming, "step up in the pocket josh!" It was an easy move and a perfect pocket if he stepped up, literally sat in the only spot with pressure lmao
@@jakebarnes1950He was busy staring at the WR. They blaming Dawkins when Allen could’ve move 2 feet to the right.
Crazy how I didnt hear Dan say nothing about Cee Dee Lamb drops against the Packers and put it all on Dak, but now its Allen, he giving Allen every excuse in the book lol
Dan gets paid for this? What a life. Lucky man.
He also has an only fans of him meat riding Allen.
Ong all you have to do is be known for making arguably the biggest brain fart move in NFL history by running out of bounds for no reason 😂
You’re making minimum wage
4:58 the worst part is they had Damar Hamlin as the runner 💀
“Don’t bring up dance, cause you know how to dance” 🤣🤣
Orlovsky reading off a load of stats about long drives to credit Allen while he literally handed the ball off for most of it. What a way to tackle dishonest stats with even more dishonest stats
God this thread is full of the first take brain-dead high school dropout I swear....like yall don't comprehend english.
Right dude did nothing but check downs, screen passes, swing passes, ran, and still almost turned the ball over at least 2x’s just imagine had he thrown down the field often…they literally don’t trust that dude at all but the media wants you to believe he’s great..smh!
At some point people gotta wake up. Last year people doubted the Chiefs and didn't think they could get the job done late in the post season because they didn't have Hill. Now people are doubting them for having few weapons on offense. At some point, we have to say it, until the Chiefs fail to make it to the AFC Championship game with Mahomes, we should bet on them making it. Mahomes in his 6 years as a starter has gone to the AFC title game all 6 years. As for the Bills, no one should expect them to have their breakout year until it happens, they just can't get it done in the post season.
mahomes could go down as the greatest in sports history when it all said and done
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@alexdeghost2729
Why not? That title is often given to Tom Brady since no one in any sport is so far ahead of the pack in championship titles.
Currently Mahomes is on pace to match Brady in that regard.
Now obviously that’s a biggggg reach. Mahomes has 2 wins in 3 appearances while Brady has 7 wins in 10. But that being said, nobody else has ever even been on Brady’s pace.
You don't understand football if you think they are just as good without tyreek hill.
They’ve been in the afc championship 5 going 6 years you can never doubt the next dynasty Chiefs winning back to back
The 2nd down miss to Shakir that Josh wasn't able to get enough on it....He was pressured. Were Josh's feet cemented to that spot? He could have stepped up in the pocket....he didn't. He's a very mobile QB...he had the ability and time to step up. and make the throw.
Exactly. That’s the moment that people talk about. In that MOMENT he needed to step up in the pocket and make the throw to take the lead. The end.
Josh Allen deserves 5%... Sean McDermott deserves 80% for defense being shredded and a terrible fake punt call... Stefon Diggs deserves 12% for coming up small... The kicker (3%) was put in a tough position and just missed it. Kudos to the kid for standing up and facing the music with the media after the game.
Sure buddy.. player accountability
Way too much blame being put on that kicker
Allen hasn’t made a first team all pro or super bowl yet.
As a Packer fan, that kicker's response was legitimately what I WANT to hear a kicker say. Not because it's true (it's not solely his fault), but he needs to FEEL like it is so he uses that for motivation to never put his team in that position again.
At the professional level there's no room for diffusion of responsibility.
Carlson and bass will get cut
@@sleeper9728man, bass not getting cut... the wind clearly push the d*mn ball
Nothing about that kick was a "gimmie" how this clown said.
Once I calmed down I think neither should get cut. However, new competition should be brought in. They need to earn their spots. Their spot on the roster shouldn't be a gimme either.
@@luisleyva2248 You still gotta make it in the playoffs. I'm not saying it was an easy kick but in the playoffs at the professional level you *have* to make that. Difficult kick? Sure. Impossible? Not by any stretch. Again, you have to make that with your season on the line. That's what separates a champion from everybody else. Vinatieri didn't miss kicks like that in those moments. There was plenty of blame to go around tho, so it isn't just on the kicker. Multiple Bills didn't make plays when they needed to, and that's why they're going home. Again.
In the second half Chiefs dominated the Bills. The score shouldn't have been that close to begin with. The reality is, Josh Allen is coming up short year after year in the playoffs
Just like Phillip Rivers.
He didn’t come up short in the 13 sec loss, no way you can blame that loss on Allen.
I've been saying it for a few years now! I think he's talented, but overrated for sure.
Mahomes is that dude who can make mistakes but still finds a way to win anyway,, if youre that team trying to beat him, you have to play a perfect game, you have to have zero mistakes
This was a good debate from shannon and Dan. One of the best debates this show has had in a while. Miss Max Kellerman.
If “If’s” were fifths, we’d all be drunk
16 passes behind the line of scrimmage with that arm and a “top 2” qb is crazy 😂
Right...I lost my bet bc dude didn't even pass for 200 yards.
lets not talk about how allen ended the season 20 touchdowns up on mahommes
@@purpletomato5535 and his season got ended by mahomes with those extra 20 tds 😂
They volunteered to shovel the snow out of the stadium and still lost 😂😂😂
The Bills-Chiefs matchups have always been classics, but I’m more excited for Chiefs-Ravens 👀 whoever wins that is winning the Super Bowl
Man, I've never heard Dan go full derp mode like this.
istg😂
I've Matthew Stafford he loves Stafford
This is 100% accurate report. Very impressed with the clarity and pros and cons of the game...
I'm a Chiefs fan and I when I heard that Tyler Bass was receiving threats on his social media and had to deactivate his account, it made me outraged. EVERY kicker has failed kicks, especially in big games! Don't believe me? just ask Harrison Butker. They are PEOPLE! not robots! NFL fans need to get a grip.