FR Wtf are those cuts - thanks @timofahrbach9174 For future vod frogs coming in the Twitch vod name for part 1 is "LATE NIGHT FEELING RIGHT LETS PARTY" guess the cut is due to music - on good thing about the AI bubble is we have the technology to separate audio tracks from a single one pretty cleanly right now, so if someone wants to make a startup for vodfrog channels, it's a free ideaguy pitch for you, but spoiler alert you have to make it really lazy-proof.
Bobby Brocolli makes amazing videos. His doc on th $21B wasted trying to build a Particle Accelerator on Texas is probably one of my favorite docs of all times
This is wild.. my Dad worked remotely for Nortel for my entire childhood, all the way up until '09. I knew the company went under but as a kid I always assumed it was related to the '08 recession given the timing. Dad said something about 'corruption' but never explained further. Not even sure he knew the details tbh. Learning all this now is trippy given the retrospective impact it had on my family. Seems like nothing in comparison to what Nortel did to the entire country of Canada... TLDR: F*** John Roth
it’s kind of sad of many major Canadian tech companies like BlackBerry and Nortel fizzled out. It really killed the tech market in Canada for a while and now our only major companies are bank and telecom oligopolies.
Only two of Canada's banks are in its top 10 companies list -- although RBC and TD are #1 and #2 respectively on that list -- and none of the telecos are. #3 is Shopify, so there is one tech company there, two if you count Constellation Software (a software conglomerate), and three if you count Thompson Reuters as a fintech company. FWIW the other three are energy companies (Enbridge, CNR), rail companies (Canadian Pacific and Canadian National have been buying up a lot of North America's rail infrastructure), and Brookfield (an investment firm.). Your overall point isn't wrong though, because the number of tech companies in the top 100 isn't great!
The problem is that starting in the early 2000s, Canadian companies stopped investing in R&D. I mean, Blackberry was revolutionary at first and developed entirely new ways to send data wirelessly to support their phones. But, they just fell behind when the iPhone came out. They could never catch up or even understand why the iPhone worked. They even released the Blackberry Torch, which was an attempt to compete with Apple, but it failed. The Torch was too obsessed with the hardware that they forgot that it was the software that made people like the iPhone.
I remember when this documentary came out I mentioned it in Atrioc's chat. He just laughed because it's a less cool Canadian Enron. Nice to see he finally got to it.
he watched the dumbest boi alive by jon bois, which doesnt really count cuz it was just a throwaway vid he made to relax during making the stanislav petrov one (which got copyrighted and no longer exist anywhere). I also know at some point he did watch a bit of 222-0 but then went off track after a pause because he remember a story about a coworker
If I remember right one of the times he refused to watch it for being too long he then went on to watch 5 8 minute videos on admiral yi which if it had just been a 40 minute video he wouldn’t have
the interesting thing is, its presence very much still alive. If you go to ottawa and see anyone with gray hair walking out of a tech building, theres a good chance theyre ex-Nortel
Canada shouldn’t make cars because they were close in proximity to Detroit is a baffling take. Like by that logic there should only be like 2 car brands in Europe
Canada is a tiny market and Detroit was an absolute behemoth at its peak at the time, he's right in the sense that it would have been better to compete in a different industry where it would stand a better chance.
I really wonder in some alternate timeline, if Frank Dunn was kept on as CEO if Nortel was salvagable. Like in a Lucent sort of way. Significantly smaller and bought by another company, but still around.
working as an intern at ciena(who bought up optical fiber division of nortel in ottawa) i definitely noticed the generational gap. we had weekly “young person meetings” where the young half of our team would meet and just kind of relax. the oldest person in that meeting had been working there for 4 years, the next youngest on our team, as well as everybody older had been ex-Nortel and had been with Nortel/Ciena for atleast 15 years. infact, they only guy in the middle, who had been there for 10 years, got fired during a round of layoffs.
My mom worked for Nortel starting in the late 80s and then got laid off in the early 2000s when all this shit happened. I remember during summer break they had a program where employees could bring their kids at their office just outside of Toronto. Their head office was nicer in the 90s than what I see most offices look like in 2024.
Would love to see some reactions to more of Bobby Broccoli videos! I've watched them all several times and I'm always so invested as if I don't know what comes next.. Also really appreciates that the 2 parts are edited together so I don't have to hunt down a separate video :)
@@Shinny1338 It's not as exciting as a story, yeah. I liked it, but the reason I'm mentioning that one is that it's probably the closest to Atrioc's field compared to the more physics-focused videos (although I would love to see those too).
41:00 I just want to point out that you cannot undersell how controversial Trudeau Sr. was at the end of his Premiership. The election after he stepped down saw the biggest Conservative landslide in all of Canadian history. At that point, Quebec was a Liberal stronghold, but because of a perceived betrayal of the province, the Liberals were wiped out in every seat except for some in Montreal. Trudeau Sr.'s policies also directly led to the creation of the Bloc Quebecois which is a Quebec Nationalist protest party that has dominated Quebec politics since the 90s. The politics of the late 1980s and early 90s in Canada were essentially the Conservatives undoing many of Trudeau's "accomplishments", including re-privatizing a bunch of company's that Trudeau nationalized only for the Federal government to run them at a loss, and attempts at Constitutional reform which ended up failing. The 1988 election was even a 1 issue election about negotiations around NAFTA, the Liberals were against it, but the Conservatives were pro NAFTA. The Liberals tried to use the unelected Canadian Senate to block negotiations, but this pissed everyone off because it was a party that lost an election trying to use what were essentially unelected spell checkers to block policy made by a party that won 80% of seats in the last election.
Usually I hate people just making reactions to documentaries but at least you are interacting with your chat and trying to learn more about the what it being talking about and not just using the video as a key jingles for your chat
Atrioc talking about how bad mass tax cuts are for societies while living in the country that wrote and continues to update the book on it. It makes your cities unlivable, but unfortunately, before they become completely unlivable, they use the cheaper labour to siphon the workforce of the countries around them. This is one of Canadas major problems, businesses in the US face near zero regulation or taxation and can therefore pay their employees more in the short term, all our best workers go to the US for higher wages and theres really no way to fix the issue without also selling our soul to the devil.
Among very few others, BobbyBroccoli, just has some of the best banger videos on RUclips, specially when it comes to in-depth documentaries! I just love the way he (with accuracy) presents and tells a story even if the subject seems mundaine/boring at first glance!
atrioc reacts to john canada's corner shop laying off the cashier (the economic downturn from this decision will ripple throughout canadian society for years to come)
Thanks for making this and posting it. I really appreciated your viewpoint! I watched this a while back and the parallels of the internet to AI were not lost on me, and I'm impressed that you also picked up on that.
Holy shit when I first saw this video i was hoping Big A would react to it, I’m glad he did Even dropped it in the Get Smarter Saturday channel My grandfather lost a chunk of money when they folded
2:44:50 After seeing their stock archives on a log scale the real doom began on November December when the stock went bellow 400$ Why is that important?? Cuz for 5/6 months (from jan 2000 to late may 2000) ppl bought in at 450/550 and were confident that it would hold above that price. Later that same year they were losing 100/200$ per share The stock tried to re-gain strength but once it touched 425/50$ some ppl sold (rightfully so imagine putting 5k on nortel at 500$ each in may, and you go from being at 8k in july to be at 3k by the end of the same year) then couple weeks later it tried to bounce back up but once it touched 400$ was rejected. 2 weeks later the news abt the earnings came out and well the rest is history
A fr3inds compsci prof at the univeristy of Ottawa said they had first year students who would not show up to class because they were working full time for nortel and made more the the prof who had a phd
21:15 That's literally how civilizations developed before the modern era. Rome couldn't build ships, so they stole Carthage's design. And literally every culture that uses an alphabet has the Phonicians and Egyptians to thank for the ability to write things down. Can you imagine if people back then respected patents? I don't blame China. If you have access to technology that can jumpstart your nation's development and all that's standing in the way of improving your fortunes is a piece of paper, you take it and help your people.
The employee poaching reminds me of the content creator "poaching" that seems to be happening too, how many in streamers are Canadian who moved to the USA
20:35 That's is just way beyond fucked-up! Imagine only being able to make 1% of the total revenue created by your own creation/designs/patents! Bro, outside of slavery, that has to be the shittiest deal ever made! I'm from Portugal, and even Portugal and Spain, in our high-time of delusion, came around and just draw a line across the globe (after some good laughs, wine, 1 too many beers) and made it a +/- 50-50 deal! Why can't the US ever just relax, take a chill-pill and just enjoy life as a normal country?
I really like a lot of what he says about the business side of things and it makes for a good rewatch of fire content, but jesus the Canada jokes are shit. I don't understand how can he complain about people making the same "old glizzy glizzy glizzy coffee cow" jokes for years and then make shit ass basic Canada jokes that have existed for a century without blinking an eye.
Hmmmm I like the this VoD fusion but the fact that it’s basically just a reupload of the nortel video gets me worried that big a might catch some flak for this… safer just to bury it in 2 vods? Welp it’s done now I guess
god I love broccumentaries no matter how corny the name sounds
They really are top tier
Bobby’s the man for sure
Probably the best channel on RUclips
Corny??? More like… broccoly!!!!!
the climax of part 1 is cut out ICANT vod watchers are the most oppressed minority in the world
this is fucked up
2:23 on the twitch vod
FR Wtf are those cuts - thanks @timofahrbach9174
For future vod frogs coming in the Twitch vod name for part 1 is "LATE NIGHT FEELING RIGHT LETS PARTY"
guess the cut is due to music - on good thing about the AI bubble is we have the technology to separate audio tracks from a single one pretty cleanly right now, so if someone wants to make a startup for vodfrog channels, it's a free ideaguy pitch for you, but spoiler alert you have to make it really lazy-proof.
RUclips frogs rise up!
Saw the comment before, hoped it was hyperbole. Limitless rage followed.
Bobby Brocolli makes amazing videos. His doc on th $21B wasted trying to build a Particle Accelerator on Texas is probably one of my favorite docs of all times
IT's almost a shame to see reactions to single videos where those references aren't noticed
The fraudster scientist ones are great too
fr they're great, the goat has to be the Ninov scandal tbh
As a Canadian, I would go dummy hard for a Nortel Hat
Amen
terrible idea he would never sell that
@@Jack-vb4qyTrue, if he did i doubt it would sell tbh 😌
It's no wonder Enron and Nortel have half their letters in common
This is wild.. my Dad worked remotely for Nortel for my entire childhood, all the way up until '09. I knew the company went under but as a kid I always assumed it was related to the '08 recession given the timing. Dad said something about 'corruption' but never explained further. Not even sure he knew the details tbh.
Learning all this now is trippy given the retrospective impact it had on my family. Seems like nothing in comparison to what Nortel did to the entire country of Canada...
TLDR: F*** John Roth
3:22:20 Oh....
it’s kind of sad of many major Canadian tech companies like BlackBerry and Nortel fizzled out.
It really killed the tech market in
Canada for a while and now our only major companies are bank and telecom oligopolies.
Only two of Canada's banks are in its top 10 companies list -- although RBC and TD are #1 and #2 respectively on that list -- and none of the telecos are. #3 is Shopify, so there is one tech company there, two if you count Constellation Software (a software conglomerate), and three if you count Thompson Reuters as a fintech company.
FWIW the other three are energy companies (Enbridge, CNR), rail companies (Canadian Pacific and Canadian National have been buying up a lot of North America's rail infrastructure), and Brookfield (an investment firm.).
Your overall point isn't wrong though, because the number of tech companies in the top 100 isn't great!
The problem is that starting in the early 2000s, Canadian companies stopped investing in R&D. I mean, Blackberry was revolutionary at first and developed entirely new ways to send data wirelessly to support their phones. But, they just fell behind when the iPhone came out. They could never catch up or even understand why the iPhone worked. They even released the Blackberry Torch, which was an attempt to compete with Apple, but it failed. The Torch was too obsessed with the hardware that they forgot that it was the software that made people like the iPhone.
I remember when this documentary came out I mentioned it in Atrioc's chat. He just laughed because it's a less cool Canadian Enron. Nice to see he finally got to it.
Big A is finally getting broccoli pilled. can't believe i'm alive for this day. has he watched any Jon Bois/Secret Base basketball videos?
he watched the dumbest boi alive by jon bois, which doesnt really count cuz it was just a throwaway vid he made to relax during making the stanislav petrov one (which got copyrighted and no longer exist anywhere). I also know at some point he did watch a bit of 222-0 but then went off track after a pause because he remember a story about a coworker
There’s a lost Jon Bois video???? I didn’t even know what I was missing….
@@stevethebarbarian9876 yea it's Pretty Good ep 4, it's basically lost media now
It's so funny that Atrioc outright said he will not watch this video for so long
I still remember the rant, complaining about it being 4 hours where he wanted sub 20 minute vids.
Yeah I wonder if he liked it or if he complained about how long it is after finishing it
Edit: Nevermind, he actually was super into it and loved it.
If I remember right one of the times he refused to watch it for being too long he then went on to watch 5 8 minute videos on admiral yi which if it had just been a 40 minute video he wouldn’t have
@@jams_toast1Nah I relate to this. 5x 8 min videos generally has fast pacing and good exit points if it’s shit.
Committing to an hour is a slog.
The classic “All these 10 minute documentaries have no depth!” followed by “no I won’t watch a full documentary!”
I've seen other comments saying it, and I am here to say it again. Nortel hats would go so damn hard to add to the collection
the interesting thing is, its presence very much still alive. If you go to ottawa and see anyone with gray hair walking out of a tech building, theres a good chance theyre ex-Nortel
IVE BEEN REQUESTING THIS FOR MONTHS
Thank you soldier o7
Be careful, there are still more people in Canada angry about Nortel than Americans angry about Enron.
Canada shouldn’t make cars because they were close in proximity to Detroit is a baffling take. Like by that logic there should only be like 2 car brands in Europe
Canada is a tiny market and Detroit was an absolute behemoth at its peak at the time, he's right in the sense that it would have been better to compete in a different industry where it would stand a better chance.
I really wonder in some alternate timeline, if Frank Dunn was kept on as CEO if Nortel was salvagable.
Like in a Lucent sort of way. Significantly smaller and bought by another company, but still around.
So learning-pilled right now🤓
Babe wake up new hat dropping soon!
working as an intern at ciena(who bought up optical fiber division of nortel in ottawa) i definitely noticed the generational gap. we had weekly “young person meetings” where the young half of our team would meet and just kind of relax. the oldest person in that meeting had been working there for 4 years, the next youngest on our team, as well as everybody older had been ex-Nortel and had been with Nortel/Ciena for atleast 15 years. infact, they only guy in the middle, who had been there for 10 years, got fired during a round of layoffs.
Atrioc finally watch science Jon, now the only thing left is watch the actual Jon Bois
Bob Emergency? Bob Emergency
atrioc looking into camera as the nortel bubble was announced is so fuckign ominous
crazy coincidence I was 2 minutes into rewatching that video when i went to get icecream, came back and i get the video + Big A
"Who is that guy" - Mulcair, he ran for federal election in the 2010s and actually did well early in the polls.
lmao "did well" is pretty generous
He ran once in 2015 and lost. His party then ejected him and put in the failure that is Jagmeet Singh.
@@Throwaway-p2p
Compared to Singh, he did spectacular. The NDP is about to lose official party status in the next election.
he finally did it...
My mom worked for Nortel starting in the late 80s and then got laid off in the early 2000s when all this shit happened. I remember during summer break they had a program where employees could bring their kids at their office just outside of Toronto. Their head office was nicer in the 90s than what I see most offices look like in 2024.
Would love to see some reactions to more of Bobby Broccoli videos! I've watched them all several times and I'm always so invested as if I don't know what comes next.. Also really appreciates that the 2 parts are edited together so I don't have to hunt down a separate video :)
45:45 Bro stood on business. Don't know anything about the guy but he seems like a real leader.
Now all we need is the SSC reaction
I love Bobby's vids but I find that one a bit dry
@@Shinny1338 It's not as exciting as a story, yeah. I liked it, but the reason I'm mentioning that one is that it's probably the closest to Atrioc's field compared to the more physics-focused videos (although I would love to see those too).
@@2Links Or go full pop culture with the Bogs
Can't believe how excited I was to watch this on RUclips twitch vod player is so annoying to use
missed the stream but have been waiting for this, feel exactly the same
41:00 I just want to point out that you cannot undersell how controversial Trudeau Sr. was at the end of his Premiership. The election after he stepped down saw the biggest Conservative landslide in all of Canadian history. At that point, Quebec was a Liberal stronghold, but because of a perceived betrayal of the province, the Liberals were wiped out in every seat except for some in Montreal. Trudeau Sr.'s policies also directly led to the creation of the Bloc Quebecois which is a Quebec Nationalist protest party that has dominated Quebec politics since the 90s. The politics of the late 1980s and early 90s in Canada were essentially the Conservatives undoing many of Trudeau's "accomplishments", including re-privatizing a bunch of company's that Trudeau nationalized only for the Federal government to run them at a loss, and attempts at Constitutional reform which ended up failing. The 1988 election was even a 1 issue election about negotiations around NAFTA, the Liberals were against it, but the Conservatives were pro NAFTA. The Liberals tried to use the unelected Canadian Senate to block negotiations, but this pissed everyone off because it was a party that lost an election trying to use what were essentially unelected spell checkers to block policy made by a party that won 80% of seats in the last election.
who asked?
Usually I hate people just making reactions to documentaries but at least you are interacting with your chat and trying to learn more about the what it being talking about and not just using the video as a key jingles for your chat
dawgnoway’s comment at 2:17:21 is the best financial advise.
lmfaoooo
cant wait til failedcos goes public
Please watch Broccoli's series on human cloning next, it's AMAZING
I was eating breakfast and couldn’t find a video to watch with thanks trioc
Atrioc talking about how bad mass tax cuts are for societies while living in the country that wrote and continues to update the book on it. It makes your cities unlivable, but unfortunately, before they become completely unlivable, they use the cheaper labour to siphon the workforce of the countries around them. This is one of Canadas major problems, businesses in the US face near zero regulation or taxation and can therefore pay their employees more in the short term, all our best workers go to the US for higher wages and theres really no way to fix the issue without also selling our soul to the devil.
This is a great documentary, really amazing. Deserved a subscribe, thanks for introducing me to this channel
I love the random "disney fell off" side tracking within the first minute of the video 😂
oh my god I just realized that the reason that hockey is so popular in my hometown is probably because it's full of engineers poached from Nortel 😮
What I’ve learned here is that WHEN the AI bubble hits, buy the dip
Among very few others, BobbyBroccoli, just has some of the best banger videos on RUclips, specially when it comes to in-depth documentaries! I just love the way he (with accuracy) presents and tells a story even if the subject seems mundaine/boring at first glance!
atrioc reacts to john canada's corner shop laying off the cashier (the economic downturn from this decision will ripple throughout canadian society for years to come)
Bobby's video about faking an element is also amazing
Finallllyyyyy, been waiting to see you watch this forever!
Documentary so hard he made merch about it
Associate chief justice Frank Marrocco, let those CEO's go in 2013, saying it wasn't proven that they manipulated the numbers
Thanks for making this and posting it. I really appreciated your viewpoint! I watched this a while back and the parallels of the internet to AI were not lost on me, and I'm impressed that you also picked up on that.
Holy shit when I first saw this video i was hoping Big A would react to it, I’m glad he did
Even dropped it in the Get Smarter Saturday channel
My grandfather lost a chunk of money when they folded
its a vod channel why do they edit stuff out, just upload the whole thing raw, bruh
More Broccoli man please!!!
2:44:50 After seeing their stock archives on a log scale the real doom began on November December when the stock went bellow 400$
Why is that important?? Cuz for 5/6 months (from jan 2000 to late may 2000) ppl bought in at 450/550 and were confident that it would hold above that price.
Later that same year they were losing 100/200$ per share
The stock tried to re-gain strength but once it touched 425/50$ some ppl sold (rightfully so imagine putting 5k on nortel at 500$ each in may, and you go from being at 8k in july to be at 3k by the end of the same year)
then couple weeks later it tried to bounce back up but once it touched 400$ was rejected. 2 weeks later the news abt the earnings came out and well the rest is history
Oh my god I watched this one like 3 times already I was wondering if there was a gss on it
48:07 gotta love it when Big A zones out for 1 second and completely misunderstands what is said
17:30 Canada had and has a massive auto industry… its just all owned by American companies.
We don't make switching, god dammit, we make money
Bobby is GOATED super cool atrioc found his video.
Thats crazy LA doesnt have Fiber Optic Cables. Im in a small northern BC city and we have FOCs
I can't believe I wasn't there 😭😭😭
BOBBYBROCCOLI THE GOAT
Im so happy Atroic watched this video bobbybroccoli is the best
he finally watched it oh we are so back
I am learning pilled right now so this fits well, thanks Atrioc
27:12 Kodak moment 😂 rip Rochester
broccoli and EmpLemon are so good at documentaries
My dad-who has been absent since before my birth-worked at Nortel in Texas. Fuckin' good lol.
We do manufacture more in the US now than we ever have by value, it just requires way less people.
1:48:09 It’s not a lake, it’s an ocean
A fr3inds compsci prof at the univeristy of Ottawa said they had first year students who would not show up to class because they were working full time for nortel and made more the the prof who had a phd
21:15 That's literally how civilizations developed before the modern era. Rome couldn't build ships, so they stole Carthage's design. And literally every culture that uses an alphabet has the Phonicians and Egyptians to thank for the ability to write things down. Can you imagine if people back then respected patents? I don't blame China. If you have access to technology that can jumpstart your nation's development and all that's standing in the way of improving your fortunes is a piece of paper, you take it and help your people.
The employee poaching reminds me of the content creator "poaching" that seems to be happening too, how many in streamers are Canadian who moved to the USA
20:35 That's is just way beyond fucked-up! Imagine only being able to make 1% of the total revenue created by your own creation/designs/patents! Bro, outside of slavery, that has to be the shittiest deal ever made! I'm from Portugal, and even Portugal and Spain, in our high-time of delusion, came around and just draw a line across the globe (after some good laughs, wine, 1 too many beers) and made it a +/- 50-50 deal! Why can't the US ever just relax, take a chill-pill and just enjoy life as a normal country?
Oh shit, a bobby broccoli vid in The Big A's stream, I can only get so hard, stop this Atrioc
holy shit i've been waiting for this for so long! let's goooooo
Enron set up Blockbuster for streaming
Watched this a few months ago, and though "omg big a would love this"
2:58:19 bookmark
wait they don’t have fiber internet? 😭😭😭 in LA?! crazy
38:15 LeBron knew he couldn’t trust them
3:21 ZacMehoph knows whats up
Canadian Glizzy
42:52 historically it’s been “grits and Tories”
Dont mess it up with Notrel!
Long time viewer here. Recently coming up on 6 months and Im just getting genuinely confused. Does this guy work for Tony Stark
First Twitch then NVIDIA
Im Canadian and Ive never heard of Nortel where the fuck have I been?!
Young, but ask your parents. They know.
A glimmer in your Daddy’s eye
You were but a mere flicker of life in your old mans balls 🙏🙏🙏
15:07 Bombardier did/does exist... but meh
Never heard of it.
Damn rip Susan
BOBBY BROCCOLI
FINALLY LETS GOOOOOO
I really like a lot of what he says about the business side of things and it makes for a good rewatch of fire content, but jesus the Canada jokes are shit. I don't understand how can he complain about people making the same "old glizzy glizzy glizzy coffee cow" jokes for years and then make shit ass basic Canada jokes that have existed for a century without blinking an eye.
he should make a nortel cap
Canada is actually a joke lol
38:28 tacos!!!!
FINALLY!
Custom accounting = nah
you nailed it Atrioc we sold everything to China now.
Finally!!!!!!
Every few years we ship down a celebrity you all have to worship and you guys get all the profit from them!
4 hour vod of approximately 2 minutes of original content we love reacts
Yeah atrioc should probably stop doing reactions. At least to large videos like this where it’s hard to provide consistent meaningful commentary
@@lapz78 cry
In my opinion this is an actually pretty good reaction atrioc knows a lot about these topics and actually adds a decent amount
New Hat!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hmmmm I like the this VoD fusion but the fact that it’s basically just a reupload of the nortel video gets me worried that big a might catch some flak for this… safer just to bury it in 2 vods? Welp it’s done now I guess
BNR hats would go crazy
Pog
Won't have a chance to watch until later... do they talk about Huawei's IP thefts at all?
yes at the end