Loved the video :) on the salary point - if I were making a US attending salary it would still be a matter of ‘do I enjoy this enough to continue doing it if I won the lottery’. Your answer to that seems to be yes, which is great to hear :) my answer would probably be no, but maybe that’s just because I haven’t found a speciality / gone through residency (6-8y in the UK) to get to that point of genuinely finding it super fun 🍀
Yeah but you kind of shit on individual efforts as doctors by saying you don’t save lives the system saves lives” You’re ignoring your contributions when you individually go out of your way to do something that changes the patients potential outcome. You’re belittling the efforts doctors do. The system is not human and would lose its touch pretty quickly
@@wackaer25 Yes. He quit because he is making more money from RUclips. Just save us the day and say "I quit because I am making more money from RUclips", and then it will be fine.
The replies here are pretty depressing. Ali, you enjoy yourself doing RUclips! Everyone else is just jealous from my perspective, and that's surprising as I consider myself a fairly envious person aha.
I am a medical doctor myself. I think medicine should be made more flexible. A situation where you can pursue other things in your life. The occupation just consumes you literally
I am aspiring medical doctor. All of the things that make me nervous is everything outside of the patients and medicine. How do you manage the other sucks on the profession.
@@geraldmcmullon2465 truthfully if I see any other source of income surpass my salary that I am passionate about i will quit medicine as well. It can be a depressing job sometimes
and that's why i chose dentistry over it.. i am passionate about medicine, but i just know i would not be happy in an occupation that eats all my time and effort, especially that family is really important to me and i want to be present for my (future 😅) kids most of the time..
I feel like RUclipsr's, whether intentionally or not, send subliminal messages to their audience about where their true love/passion lies depending upon their content. Ali clearly didn't love medicine as much as his content creation, and there's nothing wrong with that! Dr. Cellini and Rachel Southard seem like they're in medicine for the long haul, and Dr. Mike is honestly somewhere in the middle - wouldn't be surprised if he left medicine in a couple of years - his schedule must be crazy!
He completed FY1/2. In the UK, everyone does 2 years of foundation training after med school which is a mix of different specialities. After that you apply for speciality training which is equivalent to residency. So he never actually specialised
I have trouble with the word “fun.” I get that you want to have fun at your job and even that you want to enjoy your job, but it’s feels like a cheaper term to describe something that is really meant to mean “meaningful” or “what keeps you up at night” or even “what you get out of bed for.” Lots of things bring pleasure or fun. Most of the things that I have committed my life to are not “fun” things. Most the time they don’t even bring pleasure. I’m in medicine because it’s meaningful to me. It’s enjoyable a lot of times, but it’s meaningful ALL OF THE TIMES. There’s a lot of moments that are not fun, but they’re worthwhile. Snow skiing is fun for me. I mean I have fun every minute I’m skiing. Why haven’t I committed myself to a life about snow skiing? Because it’s not meaningful to me. It doesn’t keep me up at night thinking about ski spots or technique or ski olympians. I don’t dream about being a ski instructor. I do dream about practicing medicine in different parts of the world, or clinical judgement skills, or surgical skills, or famous doctors that contributed a lot to the profession though, or teaching medicine. Pursue what is really meaningful to you over what you have fun doing. Great video.
I came here to say exactly this! I chose a career in nursing because yes, it's fun, but mostly because it's meaningful and fulfilling. Of course content creation can be meaningful for some but I agree that the choice of 'fun' was odd.
Your correct his argument is weak. What he doesnt admit and which is clear that he left for money. I dont understand why he didn’t come out and say it. If you watch most of his videos its all about side hustling and making money. Nothing wrong with that but yo come out and make this video of reasons why and skirt around the point is nonsensical. He went into medicine because the pay was higher than most jobs in uk. At same time he was doing side hustles then youtube kicked off and all he saw was money. That means his heart was never in the job in the first place. It your dealing with people other humans in a care setting and you dont like your job and only doing it for money i would advise get out. That means your care for the people will be only half hearted
🍀great video!! I don’t blame medical people for quitting, I actually applaud them for taking a courageous step away from something he or she work so hard for to then focus on other passions and might have a different and more meaningful value in his or her perspective.
I don't know, I feel like a practicing physician who also does youtube is more in tune with the actual day to day practice of medicine than someone who quits their job to become a full time youtuber. The daily grind can be intense and the actual practice can change, and it's hard to remember and keep up with that stuff unless you're living it every day. That's fine, depending on the content they're putting out, but I feel something is lost as well.
Great video! I respect Ali's decision to leave medicine to pursue his RUclips career (& other projects he's working on). Ali was very transparent about his gap year and I think he grew a lot as a creator during that time. As a RUclipsr myself, I know how much work goes into being a creator. As fun as it is, it is still a career that he puts his time and effort into. He reinvests to create better content for all of us to learn from and enjoy. He is an avid reader as well, and he doesn't read books about medicine. He reads books about what he loves - productivity, building habits, self-improvement, etc. I respect that he has other passions that he monetizes and remains consistent with. As a current M3 and part-time influencer/RUclipsr, I understand the freedom a creator has vs. a medical provider who isn't their own boss. We have immense responsibility for someone's health/life. We are also part of a system that is extremely expensive to be a part of and has exploited its healthcare workers because saving lives is more than a job. We are partially at fault for erasing boundaries around reasonable work hours and for accepting poor working conditions & cultures. It is a privilege to practice medicine, and can be an extremely fulfilling career, but only if you like it. A career in medicine is a choice like every career in life. If Ali was leaving law school to pursue RUclips full-time, there would be no controversy in the comments. I hope anyone who is reading the comments finds happiness in what they do and takes ownership of their life choices. Including myself!! xx
I believe that it is important to get a feel for what your future career before you go through all the schooling/challenging experiences/debt. He made it only 2 years and instantly jumped out to travel, RUclips, and start new businesses. Good on him for finding his passion, but at least let this be warning to those who are going into medicine but aren’t truly invested. Not everyone can do the same and still come out on top. 🍀
He wouldn't have been where he is right now had he not been a medstudent from Cambridge. This whole medschool journey actually led him to RUclips..happy for him
@@xoxoxo8513 perhaps. He participated in years of drama plays and always had a passion there. There are several routes which he could have gone, but his success as a student was his largest boost in the youtube world. But again, my comment was aimed more as a warning that not everyone may achieve the same success by going through the same steps.
@@bellebwells9782 exposure to the career. If you are interested in medicine, then ask to shadow someone who works in that setting. If you want to know if you like working with patients, then find a job to work with patients. CNA, care tech, rehab assistant, medical clerk, etc. really anything to get your foot into the medical world and near what you are interested in. Maybe you take a job in a pediatric office and find out that you hate working with small children. Try to find another setting and explore your options.
I think we all get invested n a passion...he did finish med school...but we determine life could be better and change our minds...and its nothing wrong with that.
I am a Family doctor in Singapore, I come from a family which has 3 generations of doctors and I did struggle with whether I am doing medicine because its all I have seen my family do or is it my true calling. I am obsessed with other things like literature and politics and I did think about investment banking as a career but once I actually started working as a doctor I realised that there is nothing else I really want to do . I cant imagine sitting in an office and doing something else no matter what the returns are . I still harbor other dreams like writing a novel and dabbling in politics in one day and incubating business ideas to the point of fruition but I cant imagine not doing medicine and it took me a long time to realize this.
Tbh I have no issue with someone not having passion in medicine and leaving but he had some very questionable opinions in his past videos such as his time "teaching" people his youtube strategies is more beneficial for society than working as a doctor who supposedly saves only 8 lives per their career. To each their own but hearing that as a doc during pandemic that sounds inaccurate (even for the most easy going specialties- derm certainly diagnoses more than 8 early melanomas in their career so 🤷♀️) + tone deaf. Anyway, good luck to him
I definitely think it was the right choice for him. Patients deserve doctors that care about them and can feel the impact their having with their patients
@@PassionPno mr snape, thank you for your feedback. Would you like to provide official statistics for your country in absolute numbers so we can discuss further.
@@mediokritet No, I don't have a stat. The reason is I'm from an Asian country. Almost everyone soaks their bodies with sunscreens daily, uses UPF umbrellas and has UV-blocking window tints. We think y'all in the West are insane for loving the sun so much. Edit: Found it. "The annual incidence rates of SCC for Chinese, Malays, and Asian Indians are 2.6, 1.3, and 1.4 per 100,000 persons, respectively."
@@PassionPno reason why you guys pump yourselves with sunscreen and take bleaching pills is only because of your obsession with white skin. It has nothing to do with preventing skin cancer. You Asians hate the sun because you want white skin!
In the UK a specialty doctor makes £45,124 to £77,519 a year. If they become a consultant that goes up to £84,559 to £114,003 (but if they work privately they could make more). Ali was about to start his specialty training so would be earning £39,467 to £53,077 a year. Not a small salary by any means but compared to his other work it's only a small percentage
Starting med school this upcoming August after two gaps years. I’ve been reflecting over these two years working clinical jobs to make sure I wanted to work as a physician above all other career options, and I’m coming in with a fire lit under my ass when I matriculate. I think med schools are selecting for students with multiple gap years for this reason- to make sure that future physicians are more likely to be happy with their career and more motivated to perform in their training and onwards.
Absolutely, I have done the same and am grateful for the knowledge I have gained before going in as well as the experience- if you can enjoy medicine during the good and the bad it makes Med school and the career an easy choice, congrats on the acceptance
A friend of mine is an otolaryngologist and quit practicing a few months ago. He was miserable. He’s now doing hair transplantation and loves it. My average week as a general pediatrician in private practice is 60+ hours. I love what I do but medicine is a jealous mistress.
my issue with passion is that your wants can change over the course of your life and through experiences. That being said, as a student, I have definitely had these moments and I know my other colleagues did as well. Medicine is very rewarding especially financially so i agree that its worth seeing through to get a real description of the feel of the job but that definitely would require going all in and not having a back up plan. I think to me, I would only switch after seeing it through and feeling out another field. Then who knows if this other field could also end up being a bore eventually. thats the trick. I think i'd only quit if I felt absolutely miserable. Props to anyone who ever had the guts to quit though. Not any easy choice.
it's great studying medicine in first world countries, in my homeland, Nicaragua, doctors usually tell us that they are proud of us for making it to 3rd-4th year (6 year here for MD) because it really shows we are there for real vocation knowing money won't be a a real reward... doctors here earn veeeeery little, only some specialists that work in private hospitals make enough to call it "worth it"... and even them earn a laughable amount compared to US doctors...
@@danielaalejandrachamorroha8361 healthcare is a business in the U.S. We don't even provide access to medical care as a basic thing to our citizens. People have to decide between receiving needed medical care or going to bankruptcy or between getting their prescriptions this month or affording food and housing. It makes sense for salaries to be higher here when the companies that own the clinics and hospitals tend to be a for profit industry. Plus the coat of living is quite high in some cities in the U.S. In other places such as where you are it does seem that it's more likely that people are in it because it's truly their passion and they want to help people.
Once Im in Im never quitting lol im only gonna be a physician assistant but Ill work till its time to move on to the next life especially considering the 100 k or so in debt im gonna be haha
Hey Doc, you should do a video on studying habits/how to keep yourself motivated for those of us still in medical school! With all of the work you put in to get where you are at, I think a lot of us would be interested in how to survive this never-ending grind.
Another awesome review Dr. Cellini. Just like you mentioned in the beginning, I am wondering why now so many are leaving medicine (specifically doctor (med-student or Resident)). How do you feel about Dr. Jubbal leaving medicine during residency? Not gonna lie, $27,000/week as passive income would make a lot of people think twice about continuing with their salary or day-to-day job. I'm not sure I'd give up clinical medicine though if in his shoes. I'm not a physician yet (accepted medical student) but I know at this stage that I like it too much. I've been working in clinical medicine (Scribe, A-EMT, ED Tech, MA) since 2014 and I honestly can't see me working in any other field.
It should be understood that medical education in the UK is mostly subsidised by tax payers' money. Unlike in the US, UK medical student pay just a fraction of the cost of training. That money is wasted every time a doctor quits. Secondly entry into medical school is highly competitive while the UK has a chronic shortage of doctors. Someone who leaves the profession has effectively denied the chance for someone else for a career helping people,
I'm not a doctor but I had always wanted to be a doctor but seeing doctors have no time made me not want to pursue it. I feel sad for other doctors seeing them like slaves. They don't hold their time at all specially in hospitals. Being a doctor is a calling.
Practicing medicine in the UK can’t be compared to the US. More and more doctors here are quitting because of the awful treatment of doctors and poor pay in the NHS. It seems as if most doctors in the US like or love their job. Here most doctors you speak to dislike it at least partly and many detest it. So many young doctors I know have quit medicine (despite not having million ££ RUclips channels to focus on instead).
This is true. As a doctor trained in the UK I now moved to Canada because of how poor the pay and lifestyle is in the UK, as well as the agenda against doctors and toxicity picking up in the last few years. UK is great for patients (free healthcare) but terrible for doctors. US is terrible for patients, great for doctors. Both systems will eventually fail. It's only a matter of time before most UK doctors leave and the system fails completely and privatises. Then patients and the government (who have played on the goodwill of UK doctors for years) will realise how good they had it for years and will regret their actions.
@@Jiggy77XD As a UK medical student, I personally know a good handful of people planning to take the USMLE to leave for America after graduating from here. I am one of them. I’d rather go through the gruelling process of moving countries than stay in the UK and get treated like trash. Especially after all the hard work I put to become a medical student - a good one too.
BEST CAREER ADVICEthat I’ve given to my kids…..if you refer to Wednesday’s as ‘hump-day’ AND you don’t ‘whistle while you work’, find another career!! Life is seriously too short!!
I just don’t like Ali. I don’t buy that he is shifting to RUclips to help people. He makes videos about productivity that distract students from working to begin with. All you need is pen/pencil, paper, and a laptop, to become a doctor. This guy is so fake. Just my opinion.
I will be honest, the video provides a good set of reasons for transitioning out of medicine and into media, but there is another reason that is complete ingnored by both Ali and Dr. Cellini and that is the fame. Taking a look at Ali, who has spoken about his dream about being a gym shark athlete, I think another obvious reason that is being shunned, for the obvious reason of not being noble, aside is the fame. Being a doctor vs. being a RUclipsr with a huge following on all platforms is simply not the same in terms of the fame that it comes with and as we all know fame is addicting.
Hey dr, if u want to do the writing on the iPad, u got to have a green background on the iPad and then just add it on top of this video and there you have it. I hope u understood what I said lol. Just have a green background on the iPad screen while ur writing and screen record
I cant help but think that ali didnt even to make a whole 40 minute video. It was for the sake of his passion and mental health, or overall happiness. I dont think anyone needs to explain why they’re doing something for their happiness. As a 3rd year level burnt out nursing student that wanted to go into medicine, I get this whole idea of quitting for the sake of pursuing passions/happiness.
So I am guessing being a physician in UK you’ll likely never make more than 120-150K, whilst in the US the doc salary could be 5 times more or 7 figures for lots of specialties. If Ali’s pulling >1M a year right now by YouTubing, which is already x10 of UK salary, this decision is obviously a no brainer. I agree would be interesting to know: If Ali is a IR doc/neuro/ortho/plastic surgeon in the US would he still quit? 🍀
Not every one can lean on genius. Dr. Ali Abdal can in my opinion. Most of us med students learned to work hard and get good grades that paved our way to medical school. But had we had ingenuity and creativity at genius level, am sure we would have found another path for ourselves as well.
I think ingenuity and genius or not doesn’t have to determine going into medicine, as that almost sounds like people go into medicine just because that’s all they are good at, not because they are truly interested in other things And on the other hand, some people with those exhorbitant amounts of smarts and genius truly care about medicine and chose to do it, it boils down to what you believe in enough to set as your goals I think
🍀 Big thank you for always being exceptionally relevant! As an accepted US med student, your channel is a great way to take a needed break from the workload but do something that is valuable to my pursuits. Keep it up!
A little background on the UK, Unlike the USA, residency is markedly longer. In the UK the shortest trainee program is 5 years for general practice. Everything else is soo much longer. Many people become consultants in their 40s. He never started specialty training. Loving your videos btw!
Not true, general practice in the UK is 3yrs and there are plenty of doctors that become consultants in their 30s...the residencies only differ on average by a year.
@@NaomiandJack 8yrs on average to become a doctor in the us, 4undergrad and 4 medschool Vs 5 to 6yrs to become a doctor in the UK..total amount of time even when you factor F1 f2 will less in the UK if you wanna be a GP. Plus medicine in the US is alot more competitive so yeah you lose more time if you need to resit
@@midastouch2879 so from high school it takes 11 years to be a Family medicine doctor in the US, but 10 to 11 years in the UK if you go straight through. Every other training programs takes way longer to complete in the UK and the vast majority of British doctors will take multi-year gaps in their training unlike in the US where it is very uncommon to takes gaps in residency. Also medicine is still very competitive in the UK and many applicants don't get in first time. The US is a better deal for medicine in every way tbh. That's why UK doctors are leaving in droves to go to Oz or NZ.
In the UK our first 2 years are foundation years (i.e. basically an intern but rotating around different specialities every 4 months). I think after that he did a few locum jobs in emergency medicine but didn't pursue speciality training (aka 'residency')
🍀☘️🍀☘️ Lots of nurses leaving too. COVID is a big contributing factor, but some people have found out real quick that nursing isn’t for them, despite jumping through so many hoops just to become a nurse. Thankfully I still love my job as a nurse😅
@@griselgriselda2901 Definitely take advantage of it, especially if you travel nurse. I’ve been traveling for 3 months and I just extended my contract. I was able to save more money in one month than an entire year as a staff nurse
Leaving medicine was definitely the best decision for Ali, but some of his arguments for leaving medicine are weak or simply wrong. For example, his "value above replacement" argument fails when you consider that he took a seat in med school from someone who would otherwise still be practicing and the UK has a low supply of physicians. So there isn't an actual "replacement" in this scenario. If the UK was overfull on physicians then his arg would hold weight but instead he is taking an entire doctor out of the supply. Similarly, his figure about how many lives a physician "saves" during their career is wrong on its face.
meh, he could always return and trying to weigh this stuff saying he took a seat is just plain ridiculous as if the time he contributes doesn't count for anything and that him getting others into med school is also incredible. simply put he might have had a bigger impact than we think
Your correct his argument is weak. What he doesnt admit and which is clear that he left for money. I dont understand why he didn’t come out and say it. If you watch most of his videos its all about side hustling and making money. Nothing wrong with that but yo come out and make this video of reasons why and skirt around the point is nonsensical. He went into medicine because the pay was higher than most jobs in uk. At same time he was doing side hustles then youtube kicked off and all he saw was money. That means his heart was never in the job in the first place. It your dealing with people other humans in a care setting and you dont like your job and only doing it for money i would advise get out. That means your care for the people will be only half hearted
Attending life might be a lot better, but in other countries like Australia, the first 2 years as a doctor are general training and do not count towards specialisation. Not sure about how it is elsewhere, but in Australia, getting onto a specialty training program can take at least 2 years in some specialities, and then training itself is another 4-6 years, so staying in the hospital system for that long when you're burnt out is extremely difficult. All the best to Ali Abdaal and others out there! 🍀
What universe is this where Drs want to be RUclips channel stars and putting their lives online stead of being a Dr? I mean it’s fun I’m sure but how long do you do this? They get addicted to this I guess Quitting to be on RUclips? It’s not really a long term plan and can go away just as quick and probably will. It’s all so weird. Then again, maybe I’m the crazy one!
Well I have a very interesting way to look at money for different countries like in usa the top 1 percent annual income is aprox 600000 dollars but avg physician income is between 300000 to 400000 dollars ( avg of all specialities) but in uk top 1 percent income is approx 160000 pounds to 180000 pounds annually and avg consultant pay is aprox 110000 pounds so in both countries uk, usa an avg doctor income would make him in top 2 percent So comparing just on the basis of absolute income is not a good criteria relatively both country avg consultants are in top 2 percent so it's not that uk doesn't pay well it pays enough to be in top 2 percent just like us
Doc he's probably using a green background on his iPad and just writing while recording his screen...in post he can remove the background and put the screen recording on top of the video.... 😉
🍀 Great reaction vid Dr Cellini! For myself, I still have the drive and passion to be a doctor, while starting my RUclips for educational vids on the side. Who knows, I might change my mind at some point, but I doubt I'll leave medicine completely. We shall wait and see!
I feel kinda sad that he's giving it up while he's so young. He took a spot in med school away from someone who desperately wanted to become a doctor. Maybe med school is taking the wrong type of candidates?
Funny how everyone finds it weird to quit after all those hard sacrifices and training, I get it 100%, even if I wouldn't have the same reasons for quitting, though.. You can quickly burn out and destroy your mental health in medicine, quitting is not always a "lack of passion", sometimes quitting breaks your heart... But it's vital. Sometimes you love something but you feel that you don't belong anyway, or you love something else even more. Personally, I'm not even a "doctor doctor" as I am a veterinarian, but the last years of my training were so soul-crushing, destroyed my (already low) self-esteem to the extent that I though about quitting before the very end, not because I didn't have the passion, but because I didn't feel good enough for my future job... But a lucky first job in private practice proved me otherwise and I now can properly enjoy my job. But still, I'm not surprised so many MDs are quitting, and wouldn't call it "a lack of passion". Ali doesn't have the face of burn out and gave us other reasons but damn, I think some doctors quit to avoid commiting suicide... . And good thing that I now love my job because I really can't do it for the money XD (hey I'm quite curious how much a veterinarian makes in the U.S., or the UK, , like a GP for example? Here in France it varies but we make between 24,000 and 30 000 euros a year on average, I'd say... A bit more if you're a board-certified specialist, but not much more if you're a "half-specialist" like myself and most of my fellow vets ie you received significant continuous education in the field(s) of your choice like ortho surgery, advanced internal med (+endoscopy, echocardiography,...), opthalmo, etc...)
Finally someone who gets it! I’m not a doctor yet, I’m a 4th year med student and my mental health has never felt worse. I don’t want to quit but sometimes I’m afraid that will be my only option because I keep getting worse..
@@noraaa8479 I don't know about your med school course in your particular country... But I can tell you that what they say about the "outside world" being way worse than med/vet school, is not always true, so you might find your solace further along the way. You might feel burnt out and useless now, like it consumes your life and you'll never make it, never be a good doc, etc... But that's temporary. In school/intern year clinics, you only see what you do wrong and it's often not a great learning environment for students who have low self-esteem and not the competitive personality of most of their peers... You feel alone in school, but I can promise you a lot of students have the same pain as you, they just don't feel they are allowed to feel those things. I send you loads of love, and see with your administration if it's possible to take a gap year to have a break and reflect on what you want in life. And of course, ask for help, they can't deny you some time to go see a therapist, because mental health can also be an emergency. I know that it's hard to think your pain will end but it will. Look, for example, I was a lost cause, I had several anxiety attacks while on rotations (even just as I was closing a cat after surgery so not ideal) because I couldn't stand the pressure I felt from other people watching... I know a lot of my classmates said I was too weak and couldn't stand being a practicionner... Now I am a happy practicionner, I discovered that I wasn't a bad vet, not at all, because I found a practice with amazing people who value my accomplishments, and my "fragility" translates into compassion and that's something my colleagues and my patients' owners/parents actually really like. You'll be surprised how resourceful your education and self-drive make you in "real life", those "I need to be the doctor for this patient now because there's no one else to do it, but that also means there's no one else to tell me I can't make it" situations. Med school is cruel, but that does not mean you won't thrive once you're out.
You are awesome. Thanks! So annoying to look for that clover emoji tho! Is it just me or has Lewis Howes gone from asking thought provoking questions to his guests to caring mostly about money? Like Tim Ferriss. Enough already!!!
As a physician and RUclipsr, I would LOVE your honest opinion on people that leave medicine to pursue RUclips for financial gains. When you go to medical school interviews they ask, "Why medicine?" and you go through the personal statement essay. But moves like this just seem like a slap in the face for people that don't get in and have to reapply
I want to preface this by saying I am very sympathetic for the many people who work hard and dedicate years of their lives to med school applications only to be shunned for often very trivial and unseen reasons. Med applications are not a pleasant world and a very distressing time in people's lives. But Ali deserved his place. He genuinely enjoyed medicine, was intelligent way beyond the standard we have for medicine and was a passionate and driven individual. If he continued with his speciality training I'm sure he would have been a brilliant doctor. That being said he owes it to no one to do something that isn't in his best interests. The worst trap we can get into in life is the sunk cost fallacy. Thinking that we need to just stick it out even at the cost of our own health and wellbeing. Ali made the choice that's right for him at this current moment and that's what everyone should be doing. At the end of the day it's not ali's fault that other people don't make it into medicine. The decision for medicine was right for him at the time. And now an alternative path is better.
Whether you like it or not (I know you don't), you need to realize you're not that special. Medicine isn't some ultra exceptional career for the "chosen ones" which you're then forced to dedicate your entire life to. Assuming a RUclipsr leaving medicine can only be for money and saying it's a slap in the face of those who did not get in just highlights that bias. It's crazy how so many in these comments cannot seem to accept the fact that people change careers.
I have lots of doctor clients and own a commercial real estate company. They buy passive NNN commercial properties with the goal to eventually replace most of their medical income. They also build additional value by owning their practice or owning a percentage of the company they work for . The surgeons can make 1 to 2 million a year or more but longevity to earn income is a shorter span because it takes it's toll on their bodies versus a doctor that sees patients for minor stuff in a practice. The full time RUclipsrs that make lots of money I have heard some of them work 12 hours a day stuck in their house with 3 other full time employees and that is their life pretty much. No thanks to that existence. It's not just about the amount of money but how you make the money and if that is a path you want to live and go down for the journey and experience.
@@NaomiandJack we sometimes get a more accurate view of our lives near the end of it, after we've spent a few decades realizing some things about ourselves.
I feel weird watching UK and USA doctors saying that they earn little ( which is btw true ) as med student from Poland. Here after 6 years of med school you earn a little bit more than minimal wage at 13 month intership. Then you start specializations ( residency ) and with 4-6 duties/shifts you will earn after tax around 7-8 K PLN which is 2 times more than a cashier at supermarket or guy working at warehouse. After residency while working in our NHS youll get around 8 K PLN ( 1900 bucks ). Our wages are some kind of joke, the NHS is failing and many experienced doctors are quitting the job.
In the UK the way the NHS was set up has been eroded. Some of the reasons are down to being able to do more, the cost of the most advance treatments and a rise in population. Others are down to under funding, ignoring the reports the government set up and waste e.g. trillions on failed ppe purchased not fit for purpose and wasted on a failed track and trace system. The pressure of 12 hour shifts. The over work, broken equipment, lack of beds and in leaving the EU telling many doctors and nurses that they have no right to stay, delay their applications and force them out of the UK. Then do the same to non-EU doctors and nurses they had recruited. Finally the government wish to move to private health care modelled on the worlds worst system that of the USA. The other profession that has also been under funded and badly treated are teachers. Nurses, teachers, doctors and lecturers are leaving their professions because of the hours, under appreciation, under funding and a yoyo demand on procedures and paper work that do not improve the outcomes. UK and USA are not the only countries heading that direction but are leading by a long way.
Is this going to affect how admissions boards will look into students and allow the personal statements have a higher weight. Because I doubt it medical schools and residency programs would not look more into it
I reckon Ali should have went into med tech or plastics. I reckon he would have stayed. Honestly having someone breathing down your neck whilst your training is hell. Whilst it may not be a decision I would make, I fully understand his decision.
bro that is totally misleading if you propose the idea that ( if you don't like it as a medical student, just wait till you try being an intern or a resident and so on ) it is certainly obvious that having a passion for the profession is highly determined during the first two years of medical school. if you got along with a group of people and got to form connections with people who share with you the passion for medicine then that is a really good indication that you are probably going to like it later on. if on the other hand you don't seem to have any contributions to the teams or any side activities going on what so ever and you are unable to "fit in" from early on, or you felt that you have a change of heart during these first couple of years. then that is a really good sign that maybe you are not cut out to be a doctor! , medicine isn't going to workout suddenly if you grind it out.!
Two of my cousins are physicians and are going to retire as physicians. We share some of the same bloodlines. But, I realized when I was younger that the stress of school, training and practice would have been too much for me. Always wanted to be one. I am a HCP, but not an MD. Much love for physicians.
Current M2 student and stumbled on your page. Great page and subscribed. I think Ali did the right thing. Gotta follow your passion-even if that means a complete change of direction career wise.
That good feeling about your coworkers stops about year 18 into your career. Those friends thin out about the time your kids are teens. Now, work satisfaction......waxes and wanes.....alllll life long. And if you don't jump from a tall building at 50......you may make it till your 80s......incontinent, inconsolable and insignificant....to all but a few. Now excuse me....I need a spirited beverage and a nap.
Thanks for summarizing! He makes his videos too long and repetitive. As far as I understand it he finished foundation year training which in UK is 2 years. However he should have had full registration after just 1. It seems after foundation training he was too busy with RUclips etc and seems to have stayed as SHO (senior house officer-old term but frequently still used) rather than going into a training program (nowadays there are a few different pre-registrar SHO programs you can attend or just stay SHO) and he surely did not progress to become a registrar (which I think is the same as attenting). The final step would then of course be to become a hospital consultant. Alternatively you can join the GP training program and become a GP. I am not sure though if Ali did attend any of the pre-registrar programmes though. The salaries in UK for doctors are very low and especially at his low level which he has outlined in his videos previously. So makes sense he chose it.
Just as a point of clarificaton on this - it often makes more sense to get to SHO as your locum rates are higher and you can jump back into specialty training. He would then become a specialty registrar (resident) and then a consultant (which is the same as an attending). So at the point he's left he hasn't started any kind of specialty training, you're correct.
That's a wrong mentality. You should be happy with what you're doing. My father never liked his job, and all he did was complain about it everyday. My grandfather on the other hand loved his job being a company secretary. It's not about working half day and getting paid, it's about doing what you are happy with.
People making videos about ‘why they quit’ are just trying to convince themselves they made the right decision. You quit. Plain and simple. Either it got too hard, you don’t like it anymore, or you want to do something else. No need for any of this philosophical bullshit.
I think it’s totally fair to change your career if you feel like you’re not maximizing the quality of your time, and obviously, this is a choice each person has to make for themselves. I do think though that most millennials in my generation have this love of the “work from home”, “work when you want” mentality and I don’t think it’s always the best mentality to have. My opinion is that these mentalities breed a relatively dull life without meaning. Ultimately, I think most people makes there impact, however small or large, and I think it’s important to acknowledge that working hard and being ok with your job is ok. There will be times when you love it and times when your passion fades, but you can always explore other areas of the field or create your own niche that nobody has created before. Just a thought. But this is a huge topic and loaded with ideas so it’s not one size fits all.
Great video! US pharmacist here but white belt at RUclips-ing. Your video got recommended to me, prob bc I follow Ali. But love your content and you my friend, are very lucky to enjoy what you do. I still do as well but maybe not full time. Also subbed!
For his 2 million subscribers he is not useless. You know what is useless? Your comment. He will be replaced by any other doctor, they are not as rare as a Yeti.
Imagine, in my country doctors are payed by the "country", and if you exclude the very highest level of doctors, the average doctor earns way less than an average IT guy or other field that requires university (and is a "valuable" degree). Not to mention the other medical professionals who are not doctors (nurses, etc), they earn less than I do as a data scientist trainee.... No wonder healthcare is crumbling 🍀
In order to stay relevant with followers your life would have to constantly be changing, or they would get bored. medicine gives most YTubers a perspective they would never otherwise have any clue. Don't leave medicine......
🍀 at the end of the day it is best to do what truly makes you happy. So you won’t have regrets and have what if thoughts. However, it makes it difficult when you don’t know what truly makes you happy/want to do and don’t have the means to venture out and figure it out.
Or maybe he did love medicine but later found he loved RUclips/content creation more. And the combination loving RUclips more and making over 10x what he would as a doctor made it make sense to do YT full time.
@@HarpreetSingh-tt3io he said “I genuinely did enjoy the job” sounds to me like he did like his job and just found something he enjoyed more. And he did do both for years
Not a med student here but as a pt student who thinks the world of medicine is super interesting, this guy commentary cracks me up with his delivery of med content lol 👍🍀
Hey maybe he's only making 120k as a phsyican. But at least everyone's healthcare is "FREE" over there thanks to stealing the cost of treatment directly from the medical staff
@@amoxzi 🤣 that's so much worse than I thought it is. So I guess in the UK, if you want to make average income and be physically and mentally worn out, you go to be a physician. In North America you go to work a factory job if that's what you want. ☠️
@@Chadministrator93 As I said to others, google some statistics about physicians' income around the world. The US are VERY different, both in compensations and worklife balance.
He clearly left because of money which goes to show he wasnt 100% in on being a doctor or wanting to help people. He even did the doctor job for the wages it was paying. Money talks its not even a questionable thing why he left the profession. If he really wanted to help people that were sick he wouldnt have left. Debate i dont see one here
His investment banker donating to charity vs doctor comparison was terrible, narrow-minded and extremely hurtful. especially for someone who's had a direct impact on patients during COVID. "saving 7-8 lives" I mean are you kidding me?
7:00 yeah we kind of need to cut the “I need to feel special” talk out our career pursuits. “I don’t feel like I’m making any real impact,” is the dilapidated cry of us millennials and Gen Z’ers today which sometimes makes me wonder if we’re really looking for fame and worship. If your working with a collective as you mentioned in the medical field, than the work you do and you yourself matter. Being a vital cog to a larger operation means that if you’re removed, than the entire thing is blown. This whole claim of, “I don’t feel like I matter” is just the “you are special!” Barney song noise gone off the rails. Recognition and credit is a losing game if that’s what keeping you moved to work.
Loved the video :) on the salary point - if I were making a US attending salary it would still be a matter of ‘do I enjoy this enough to continue doing it if I won the lottery’. Your answer to that seems to be yes, which is great to hear :) my answer would probably be no, but maybe that’s just because I haven’t found a speciality / gone through residency (6-8y in the UK) to get to that point of genuinely finding it super fun 🍀
Yeah but you kind of shit on individual efforts as doctors by saying you don’t save lives the system saves lives”
You’re ignoring your contributions when you individually go out of your way to do something that changes the patients potential outcome. You’re belittling the efforts doctors do. The system is not human and would lose its touch pretty quickly
@@wackaer25 Yes. He quit because he is making more money from RUclips. Just save us the day and say "I quit because I am making more money from RUclips", and then it will be fine.
Appreciate you a lot Ali. Thanks for the additional insights
I think you left medicine partly because you didn't have to fight a lot to get in
The replies here are pretty depressing. Ali, you enjoy yourself doing RUclips! Everyone else is just jealous from my perspective, and that's surprising as I consider myself a fairly envious person aha.
I am a medical doctor myself. I think medicine should be made more flexible. A situation where you can pursue other things in your life. The occupation just consumes you literally
I am aspiring medical doctor. All of the things that make me nervous is everything outside of the patients and medicine. How do you manage the other sucks on the profession.
Totally agree!
He already found a way to work a shorter week as a doctor. But that was not working for him either.
@@geraldmcmullon2465 truthfully if I see any other source of income surpass my salary that I am passionate about i will quit medicine as well. It can be a depressing job sometimes
and that's why i chose dentistry over it..
i am passionate about medicine, but i just know i would not be happy in an occupation that eats all my time and effort, especially that family is really important to me and i want to be present for my (future 😅) kids most of the time..
I feel like RUclipsr's, whether intentionally or not, send subliminal messages to their audience about where their true love/passion lies depending upon their content. Ali clearly didn't love medicine as much as his content creation, and there's nothing wrong with that! Dr. Cellini and Rachel Southard seem like they're in medicine for the long haul, and Dr. Mike is honestly somewhere in the middle - wouldn't be surprised if he left medicine in a couple of years - his schedule must be crazy!
You say it correct,
Yess! Rachel is definitely in medicine for a long timee. We can really see the passion and lovee of medicine in her eyes
100% agree
I can’t really see Dr. Mike doing something else to be honest. Unless he just become a med school professor.
Violin MD is amazing too.
He completed FY1/2.
In the UK, everyone does 2 years of foundation training after med school which is a mix of different specialities.
After that you apply for speciality training which is equivalent to residency. So he never actually specialised
that's why his thoughts are way too shallow, he didn't even go through
I have trouble with the word “fun.” I get that you want to have fun at your job and even that you want to enjoy your job, but it’s feels like a cheaper term to describe something that is really meant to mean “meaningful” or “what keeps you up at night” or even “what you get out of bed for.” Lots of things bring pleasure or fun. Most of the things that I have committed my life to are not “fun” things. Most the time they don’t even bring pleasure. I’m in medicine because it’s meaningful to me. It’s enjoyable a lot of times, but it’s meaningful ALL OF THE TIMES. There’s a lot of moments that are not fun, but they’re worthwhile. Snow skiing is fun for me. I mean I have fun every minute I’m skiing. Why haven’t I committed myself to a life about snow skiing? Because it’s not meaningful to me. It doesn’t keep me up at night thinking about ski spots or technique or ski olympians. I don’t dream about being a ski instructor. I do dream about practicing medicine in different parts of the world, or clinical judgement skills, or surgical skills, or famous doctors that contributed a lot to the profession though, or teaching medicine. Pursue what is really meaningful to you over what you have fun doing. Great video.
LOVE this message !!
I love this take.
He did say there were better words he could use, but he chose to use the word fun
I came here to say exactly this! I chose a career in nursing because yes, it's fun, but mostly because it's meaningful and fulfilling. Of course content creation can be meaningful for some but I agree that the choice of 'fun' was odd.
Thank you for your comment .
I was so confused but you made it simple . 🙏
Your correct his argument is weak. What he doesnt admit and which is clear that he left for money. I dont understand why he didn’t come out and say it. If you watch most of his videos its all about side hustling and making money. Nothing wrong with that but yo come out and make this video of reasons why and skirt around the point is nonsensical. He went into medicine because the pay was higher than most jobs in uk. At same time he was doing side hustles then youtube kicked off and all he saw was money. That means his heart was never in the job in the first place. It your dealing with people other humans in a care setting and you dont like your job and only doing it for money i would advise get out. That means your care for the people will be only half hearted
🍀great video!! I don’t blame medical people for quitting, I actually applaud them for taking a courageous step away from something he or she work so hard for to then focus on other passions and might have a different and more meaningful value in his or her perspective.
@@biologywiththanosthanos5785 because they earned the seat
I don't know, I feel like a practicing physician who also does youtube is more in tune with the actual day to day practice of medicine than someone who quits their job to become a full time youtuber. The daily grind can be intense and the actual practice can change, and it's hard to remember and keep up with that stuff unless you're living it every day. That's fine, depending on the content they're putting out, but I feel something is lost as well.
Great video! I respect Ali's decision to leave medicine to pursue his RUclips career (& other projects he's working on). Ali was very transparent about his gap year and I think he grew a lot as a creator during that time.
As a RUclipsr myself, I know how much work goes into being a creator. As fun as it is, it is still a career that he puts his time and effort into. He reinvests to create better content for all of us to learn from and enjoy. He is an avid reader as well, and he doesn't read books about medicine. He reads books about what he loves - productivity, building habits, self-improvement, etc. I respect that he has other passions that he monetizes and remains consistent with.
As a current M3 and part-time influencer/RUclipsr, I understand the freedom a creator has vs. a medical provider who isn't their own boss. We have immense responsibility for someone's health/life. We are also part of a system that is extremely expensive to be a part of and has exploited its healthcare workers because saving lives is more than a job. We are partially at fault for erasing boundaries around reasonable work hours and for accepting poor working conditions & cultures. It is a privilege to practice medicine, and can be an extremely fulfilling career, but only if you like it. A career in medicine is a choice like every career in life.
If Ali was leaving law school to pursue RUclips full-time, there would be no controversy in the comments. I hope anyone who is reading the comments finds happiness in what they do and takes ownership of their life choices. Including myself!! xx
I believe that it is important to get a feel for what your future career before you go through all the schooling/challenging experiences/debt. He made it only 2 years and instantly jumped out to travel, RUclips, and start new businesses. Good on him for finding his passion, but at least let this be warning to those who are going into medicine but aren’t truly invested. Not everyone can do the same and still come out on top. 🍀
He wouldn't have been where he is right now had he not been a medstudent from Cambridge. This whole medschool journey actually led him to RUclips..happy for him
@@xoxoxo8513 perhaps. He participated in years of drama plays and always had a passion there. There are several routes which he could have gone, but his success as a student was his largest boost in the youtube world. But again, my comment was aimed more as a warning that not everyone may achieve the same success by going through the same steps.
how can someone find out if it is the career for them? any ideas?
@@bellebwells9782 exposure to the career. If you are interested in medicine, then ask to shadow someone who works in that setting. If you want to know if you like working with patients, then find a job to work with patients. CNA, care tech, rehab assistant, medical clerk, etc. really anything to get your foot into the medical world and near what you are interested in. Maybe you take a job in a pediatric office and find out that you hate working with small children. Try to find another setting and explore your options.
I think we all get invested n a passion...he did finish med school...but we determine life could be better and change our minds...and its nothing wrong with that.
I am a physician and my 6-year old boy's biggest career dream is to be a RUclipsr.
At first I laughed. I'm laughing a little less now.
😂❤️
You should explain to him RUclips is not as easy to turn into a "career" as it is to do it as a hobby.
He just likes the money. Not that anything is wrong with it. But ya it can be described in 1 minute.
He's been making a lot more through RUclips for some time now so that clearly wasn't the only factor.
I am a Family doctor in Singapore, I come from a family which has 3 generations of doctors and I did struggle with whether I am doing medicine because its all I have seen my family do or is it my true calling. I am obsessed with other things like literature and politics and I did think about investment banking as a career but once I actually started working as a doctor I realised that there is nothing else I really want to do . I cant imagine sitting in an office and doing something else no matter what the returns are . I still harbor other dreams like writing a novel and dabbling in politics in one day and incubating business ideas to the point of fruition but I cant imagine not doing medicine and it took me a long time to realize this.
......and your medical 🚑 career will allow you to compose ✍. U can have both.
That’s why I truly believe having one career it’s just a myth. It’s even waste of intellectual resources
Thank you
Perfect =)
damn u literally spoke my mind
I took Ali's video editing class in Skillshare and he teaches the iPad trick in that 🙂
Tbh I have no issue with someone not having passion in medicine and leaving but he had some very questionable opinions in his past videos such as his time "teaching" people his youtube strategies is more beneficial for society than working as a doctor who supposedly saves only 8 lives per their career. To each their own but hearing that as a doc during pandemic that sounds inaccurate (even for the most easy going specialties- derm certainly diagnoses more than 8 early melanomas in their career so 🤷♀️) + tone deaf. Anyway, good luck to him
I definitely think it was the right choice for him. Patients deserve doctors that care about them and can feel the impact their having with their patients
Your derm example is inaccurate. It totally depends on where you live. Skin-related cancers are almost unheard of in my country.
@@PassionPno mr snape, thank you for your feedback. Would you like to provide official statistics for your country in absolute numbers so we can discuss further.
@@mediokritet No, I don't have a stat. The reason is I'm from an Asian country. Almost everyone soaks their bodies with sunscreens daily, uses UPF umbrellas and has UV-blocking window tints. We think y'all in the West are insane for loving the sun so much.
Edit: Found it. "The annual incidence rates of SCC for Chinese, Malays, and Asian Indians are 2.6, 1.3, and 1.4 per 100,000 persons, respectively."
@@PassionPno reason why you guys pump yourselves with sunscreen and take bleaching pills is only because of your obsession with white skin. It has nothing to do with preventing skin cancer. You Asians hate the sun because you want white skin!
In the UK a specialty doctor makes £45,124 to £77,519 a year. If they become a consultant that goes up to £84,559 to £114,003 (but if they work privately they could make more). Ali was about to start his specialty training so would be earning £39,467 to £53,077 a year. Not a small salary by any means but compared to his other work it's only a small percentage
Pretty sure there a plenty of consultants over over 90-100k
@@louissanderson719 Just realised I managed to miss a whole sentence from my comment. Fixed it now, thanks
@@felicityaeh 👌
So no matter what he said about fun meaning of life etc his main focus was money and his heart was never in medicine
Starting med school this upcoming August after two gaps years. I’ve been reflecting over these two years working clinical jobs to make sure I wanted to work as a physician above all other career options, and I’m coming in with a fire lit under my ass when I matriculate. I think med schools are selecting for students with multiple gap years for this reason- to make sure that future physicians are more likely to be happy with their career and more motivated to perform in their training and onwards.
Absolutely, I have done the same and am grateful for the knowledge I have gained before going in as well as the experience- if you can enjoy medicine during the good and the bad it makes Med school and the career an easy choice, congrats on the acceptance
A friend of mine is an otolaryngologist and quit practicing a few months ago. He was miserable. He’s now doing hair transplantation and loves it. My average week as a general pediatrician in private practice is 60+ hours. I love what I do but medicine is a jealous mistress.
Medicine pays poory in UK - why would he go back into medicine when earning bank on youtube
my issue with passion is that your wants can change over the course of your life and through experiences. That being said, as a student, I have definitely had these moments and I know my other colleagues did as well. Medicine is very rewarding especially financially so i agree that its worth seeing through to get a real description of the feel of the job but that definitely would require going all in and not having a back up plan. I think to me, I would only switch after seeing it through and feeling out another field. Then who knows if this other field could also end up being a bore eventually. thats the trick. I think i'd only quit if I felt absolutely miserable. Props to anyone who ever had the guts to quit though. Not any easy choice.
it's great studying medicine in first world countries, in my homeland, Nicaragua, doctors usually tell us that they are proud of us for making it to 3rd-4th year (6 year here for MD) because it really shows we are there for real vocation knowing money won't be a a real reward... doctors here earn veeeeery little, only some specialists that work in private hospitals make enough to call it "worth it"... and even them earn a laughable amount compared to US doctors...
@@danielaalejandrachamorroha8361 healthcare is a business in the U.S. We don't even provide access to medical care as a basic thing to our citizens. People have to decide between receiving needed medical care or going to bankruptcy or between getting their prescriptions this month or affording food and housing. It makes sense for salaries to be higher here when the companies that own the clinics and hospitals tend to be a for profit industry.
Plus the coat of living is quite high in some cities in the U.S.
In other places such as where you are it does seem that it's more likely that people are in it because it's truly their passion and they want to help people.
Once Im in Im never quitting lol im only gonna be a physician assistant but Ill work till its time to move on to the next life especially considering the 100 k or so in debt im gonna be haha
out of my 5 friends 3 of them got out of medicine after medical school. some got in to high tech.. some public health. this is not new!
Hey Doc, you should do a video on studying habits/how to keep yourself motivated for those of us still in medical school! With all of the work you put in to get where you are at, I think a lot of us would be interested in how to survive this never-ending grind.
Another awesome review Dr. Cellini. Just like you mentioned in the beginning, I am wondering why now so many are leaving medicine (specifically doctor (med-student or Resident)). How do you feel about Dr. Jubbal leaving medicine during residency? Not gonna lie, $27,000/week as passive income would make a lot of people think twice about continuing with their salary or day-to-day job. I'm not sure I'd give up clinical medicine though if in his shoes. I'm not a physician yet (accepted medical student) but I know at this stage that I like it too much. I've been working in clinical medicine (Scribe, A-EMT, ED Tech, MA) since 2014 and I honestly can't see me working in any other field.
It should be understood that medical education in the UK is mostly subsidised by tax payers' money. Unlike in the US, UK medical student pay just a fraction of the cost of training. That money is wasted every time a doctor quits. Secondly entry into medical school is highly competitive while the UK has a chronic shortage of doctors. Someone who leaves the profession has effectively denied the chance for someone else for a career helping people,
Still not by force to continue if you doesn’t like it. Blame the system if anything.
I'm not a doctor but I had always wanted to be a doctor but seeing doctors have no time made me not want to pursue it. I feel sad for other doctors seeing them like slaves. They don't hold their time at all specially in hospitals. Being a doctor is a calling.
Practicing medicine in the UK can’t be compared to the US. More and more doctors here are quitting because of the awful treatment of doctors and poor pay in the NHS. It seems as if most doctors in the US like or love their job. Here most doctors you speak to dislike it at least partly and many detest it. So many young doctors I know have quit medicine (despite not having million ££ RUclips channels to focus on instead).
This is true. As a doctor trained in the UK I now moved to Canada because of how poor the pay and lifestyle is in the UK, as well as the agenda against doctors and toxicity picking up in the last few years. UK is great for patients (free healthcare) but terrible for doctors. US is terrible for patients, great for doctors.
Both systems will eventually fail. It's only a matter of time before most UK doctors leave and the system fails completely and privatises. Then patients and the government (who have played on the goodwill of UK doctors for years) will realise how good they had it for years and will regret their actions.
The grass is not greener over here. The work life balance is nonexistent.
@@Jiggy77XD As a UK medical student, I personally know a good handful of people planning to take the USMLE to leave for America after graduating from here. I am one of them. I’d rather go through the gruelling process of moving countries than stay in the UK and get treated like trash. Especially after all the hard work I put to become a medical student - a good one too.
@Nicky L Depends on my salary. Right now I’m still borrowing from the government.
@@HassanPoyo Please don’t come to America.
I respect his decision you only get one life do what makes you happy and if you RUclips is where you find happiness then do it!!
BEST CAREER ADVICEthat I’ve given to my kids…..if you refer to Wednesday’s as ‘hump-day’ AND you don’t ‘whistle while you work’, find another career!! Life is seriously too short!!
thats vague
I just don’t like Ali. I don’t buy that he is shifting to RUclips to help people. He makes videos about productivity that distract students from working to begin with. All you need is pen/pencil, paper, and a laptop, to become a doctor. This guy is so fake. Just my opinion.
I will be honest, the video provides a good set of reasons for transitioning out of medicine and into media, but there is another reason that is complete ingnored by both Ali and Dr. Cellini and that is the fame. Taking a look at Ali, who has spoken about his dream about being a gym shark athlete, I think another obvious reason that is being shunned, for the obvious reason of not being noble, aside is the fame. Being a doctor vs. being a RUclipsr with a huge following on all platforms is simply not the same in terms of the fame that it comes with and as we all know fame is addicting.
Hey dr, if u want to do the writing on the iPad, u got to have a green background on the iPad and then just add it on top of this video and there you have it. I hope u understood what I said lol. Just have a green background on the iPad screen while ur writing and screen record
Lol if youtube server shuts down he can always dust his certificate and get right back in lol
I cant help but think that ali didnt even to make a whole 40 minute video. It was for the sake of his passion and mental health, or overall happiness. I dont think anyone needs to explain why they’re doing something for their happiness. As a 3rd year level burnt out nursing student that wanted to go into medicine, I get this whole idea of quitting for the sake of pursuing passions/happiness.
So I am guessing being a physician in UK you’ll likely never make more than 120-150K, whilst in the US the doc salary could be 5 times more or 7 figures for lots of specialties. If Ali’s pulling >1M a year right now by YouTubing, which is already x10 of UK salary, this decision is obviously a no brainer.
I agree would be interesting to know: If Ali is a IR doc/neuro/ortho/plastic surgeon in the US would he still quit? 🍀
Doable to make big bucks if you mix in private healthcare to NHS.
NHS consultants are still on very comfortable wages though
Why do doctors in the UK get paid so little? I always wondered that
@@zahsum it’s not “so little”. In the grand scheme of things, you’re gonna be living very comfortably on 70-100+ k as a consultant
@@louissanderson719 well when I say little I mean compared to the US. It’s no secret that US doctors easily make 4-5x more than UK doctors
@@zahsum privatized healthcare vs single payer
Not every one can lean on genius. Dr. Ali Abdal can in my opinion. Most of us med students learned to work hard and get good grades that paved our way to medical school. But had we had ingenuity and creativity at genius level, am sure we would have found another path for ourselves as well.
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I think ingenuity and genius or not doesn’t have to determine going into medicine, as that almost sounds like people go into medicine just because that’s all they are good at, not because they are truly interested in other things
And on the other hand, some people with those exhorbitant amounts of smarts and genius truly care about medicine and chose to do it, it boils down to what you believe in enough to set as your goals I think
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🍀 Big thank you for always being exceptionally relevant! As an accepted US med student, your channel is a great way to take a needed break from the workload but do something that is valuable to my pursuits. Keep it up!
Kevin Jubbal did the same thing. Quit residency to make a small fortune helping potential medical students get into med school.
A little background on the UK, Unlike the USA, residency is markedly longer. In the UK the shortest trainee program is 5 years for general practice. Everything else is soo much longer. Many people become consultants in their 40s. He never started specialty training. Loving your videos btw!
Not true, general practice in the UK is 3yrs and there are plenty of doctors that become consultants in their 30s...the residencies only differ on average by a year.
General practice training is 3yrs in UK dude, get ur facts right!
@@midastouch2879 after two years f1 and f2 which is not necessary in the USA guess if 5 years will amend that. Plus the bottle neck of consultants 😅
@@NaomiandJack 8yrs on average to become a doctor in the us, 4undergrad and 4 medschool Vs 5 to 6yrs to become a doctor in the UK..total amount of time even when you factor F1 f2 will less in the UK if you wanna be a GP. Plus medicine in the US is alot more competitive so yeah you lose more time if you need to resit
@@midastouch2879 so from high school it takes 11 years to be a Family medicine doctor in the US, but 10 to 11 years in the UK if you go straight through. Every other training programs takes way longer to complete in the UK and the vast majority of British doctors will take multi-year gaps in their training unlike in the US where it is very uncommon to takes gaps in residency. Also medicine is still very competitive in the UK and many applicants don't get in first time. The US is a better deal for medicine in every way tbh. That's why UK doctors are leaving in droves to go to Oz or NZ.
In the UK our first 2 years are foundation years (i.e. basically an intern but rotating around different specialities every 4 months). I think after that he did a few locum jobs in emergency medicine but didn't pursue speciality training (aka 'residency')
🍀☘️🍀☘️ Lots of nurses leaving too. COVID is a big contributing factor, but some people have found out real quick that nursing isn’t for them, despite jumping through so many hoops just to become a nurse. Thankfully I still love my job as a nurse😅
Nursing sucks ass.
Good time for me to get into nursing. Gotta make that $$$
@@griselgriselda2901 Definitely take advantage of it, especially if you travel nurse. I’ve been traveling for 3 months and I just extended my contract. I was able to save more money in one month than an entire year as a staff nurse
Leaving medicine was definitely the best decision for Ali, but some of his arguments for leaving medicine are weak or simply wrong. For example, his "value above replacement" argument fails when you consider that he took a seat in med school from someone who would otherwise still be practicing and the UK has a low supply of physicians. So there isn't an actual "replacement" in this scenario. If the UK was overfull on physicians then his arg would hold weight but instead he is taking an entire doctor out of the supply. Similarly, his figure about how many lives a physician "saves" during their career is wrong on its face.
meh, he could always return and trying to weigh this stuff saying he took a seat is just plain ridiculous as if the time he contributes doesn't count for anything and that him getting others into med school is also incredible. simply put he might have had a bigger impact than we think
Your correct his argument is weak. What he doesnt admit and which is clear that he left for money. I dont understand why he didn’t come out and say it. If you watch most of his videos its all about side hustling and making money. Nothing wrong with that but yo come out and make this video of reasons why and skirt around the point is nonsensical. He went into medicine because the pay was higher than most jobs in uk. At same time he was doing side hustles then youtube kicked off and all he saw was money. That means his heart was never in the job in the first place. It your dealing with people other humans in a care setting and you dont like your job and only doing it for money i would advise get out. That means your care for the people will be only half hearted
Attending life might be a lot better, but in other countries like Australia, the first 2 years as a doctor are general training and do not count towards specialisation. Not sure about how it is elsewhere, but in Australia, getting onto a specialty training program can take at least 2 years in some specialities, and then training itself is another 4-6 years, so staying in the hospital system for that long when you're burnt out is extremely difficult. All the best to Ali Abdaal and others out there! 🍀
What universe is this where Drs want to be RUclips channel stars and putting their lives online stead of being a Dr? I mean it’s fun I’m sure but how long do you do this? They get addicted to this I guess Quitting to be on RUclips? It’s not really a long term plan and can go away just as quick and probably will. It’s all so weird. Then again, maybe I’m the crazy one!
Well I have a very interesting way to look at money for different countries like in usa the top 1 percent annual income is aprox 600000 dollars but avg physician income is between 300000 to 400000 dollars ( avg of all specialities) but in uk top 1 percent income is approx 160000 pounds to 180000 pounds annually and avg consultant pay is aprox 110000 pounds so in both countries uk, usa an avg doctor income would make him in top 2 percent
So comparing just on the basis of absolute income is not a good criteria relatively both country avg consultants are in top 2 percent so it's not that uk doesn't pay well it pays enough to be in top 2 percent just like us
Doc he's probably using a green background on his iPad and just writing while recording his screen...in post he can remove the background and put the screen recording on top of the video.... 😉
🍀 Great reaction vid Dr Cellini! For myself, I still have the drive and passion to be a doctor, while starting my RUclips for educational vids on the side. Who knows, I might change my mind at some point, but I doubt I'll leave medicine completely. We shall wait and see!
Love it
I feel kinda sad that he's giving it up while he's so young. He took a spot in med school away from someone who desperately wanted to become a doctor. Maybe med school is taking the wrong type of candidates?
Funny how everyone finds it weird to quit after all those hard sacrifices and training, I get it 100%, even if I wouldn't have the same reasons for quitting, though.. You can quickly burn out and destroy your mental health in medicine, quitting is not always a "lack of passion", sometimes quitting breaks your heart... But it's vital. Sometimes you love something but you feel that you don't belong anyway, or you love something else even more. Personally, I'm not even a "doctor doctor" as I am a veterinarian, but the last years of my training were so soul-crushing, destroyed my (already low) self-esteem to the extent that I though about quitting before the very end, not because I didn't have the passion, but because I didn't feel good enough for my future job... But a lucky first job in private practice proved me otherwise and I now can properly enjoy my job. But still, I'm not surprised so many MDs are quitting, and wouldn't call it "a lack of passion". Ali doesn't have the face of burn out and gave us other reasons but damn, I think some doctors quit to avoid commiting suicide... . And good thing that I now love my job because I really can't do it for the money XD (hey I'm quite curious how much a veterinarian makes in the U.S., or the UK, , like a GP for example? Here in France it varies but we make between 24,000 and 30 000 euros a year on average, I'd say... A bit more if you're a board-certified specialist, but not much more if you're a "half-specialist" like myself and most of my fellow vets ie you received significant continuous education in the field(s) of your choice like ortho surgery, advanced internal med (+endoscopy, echocardiography,...), opthalmo, etc...)
Finally someone who gets it! I’m not a doctor yet, I’m a 4th year med student and my mental health has never felt worse. I don’t want to quit but sometimes I’m afraid that will be my only option because I keep getting worse..
@@noraaa8479 I don't know about your med school course in your particular country... But I can tell you that what they say about the "outside world" being way worse than med/vet school, is not always true, so you might find your solace further along the way. You might feel burnt out and useless now, like it consumes your life and you'll never make it, never be a good doc, etc... But that's temporary. In school/intern year clinics, you only see what you do wrong and it's often not a great learning environment for students who have low self-esteem and not the competitive personality of most of their peers... You feel alone in school, but I can promise you a lot of students have the same pain as you, they just don't feel they are allowed to feel those things. I send you loads of love, and see with your administration if it's possible to take a gap year to have a break and reflect on what you want in life. And of course, ask for help, they can't deny you some time to go see a therapist, because mental health can also be an emergency. I know that it's hard to think your pain will end but it will. Look, for example, I was a lost cause, I had several anxiety attacks while on rotations (even just as I was closing a cat after surgery so not ideal) because I couldn't stand the pressure I felt from other people watching... I know a lot of my classmates said I was too weak and couldn't stand being a practicionner... Now I am a happy practicionner, I discovered that I wasn't a bad vet, not at all, because I found a practice with amazing people who value my accomplishments, and my "fragility" translates into compassion and that's something my colleagues and my patients' owners/parents actually really like. You'll be surprised how resourceful your education and self-drive make you in "real life", those "I need to be the doctor for this patient now because there's no one else to do it, but that also means there's no one else to tell me I can't make it" situations. Med school is cruel, but that does not mean you won't thrive once you're out.
“I think some doctors quit to avoid committing suicide…” Spot on sister, this is me
There is a vast disparity of pay in UK they are very less paid than the US. where most f the physicians are elite class it isn't the case in the UK
You are awesome. Thanks! So annoying to look for that clover emoji tho! Is it just me or has Lewis Howes gone from asking thought provoking questions to his guests to caring mostly about money? Like Tim Ferriss. Enough already!!!
As a physician and RUclipsr, I would LOVE your honest opinion on people that leave medicine to pursue RUclips for financial gains. When you go to medical school interviews they ask, "Why medicine?" and you go through the personal statement essay. But moves like this just seem like a slap in the face for people that don't get in and have to reapply
Yessssss.. It’s kind of disheartening not gonna lie
I want to preface this by saying I am very sympathetic for the many people who work hard and dedicate years of their lives to med school applications only to be shunned for often very trivial and unseen reasons. Med applications are not a pleasant world and a very distressing time in people's lives.
But Ali deserved his place. He genuinely enjoyed medicine, was intelligent way beyond the standard we have for medicine and was a passionate and driven individual. If he continued with his speciality training I'm sure he would have been a brilliant doctor.
That being said he owes it to no one to do something that isn't in his best interests. The worst trap we can get into in life is the sunk cost fallacy. Thinking that we need to just stick it out even at the cost of our own health and wellbeing. Ali made the choice that's right for him at this current moment and that's what everyone should be doing.
At the end of the day it's not ali's fault that other people don't make it into medicine. The decision for medicine was right for him at the time. And now an alternative path is better.
@@ishaqsaleem1627 ok
Whether you like it or not (I know you don't), you need to realize you're not that special. Medicine isn't some ultra exceptional career for the "chosen ones" which you're then forced to dedicate your entire life to. Assuming a RUclipsr leaving medicine can only be for money and saying it's a slap in the face of those who did not get in just highlights that bias. It's crazy how so many in these comments cannot seem to accept the fact that people change careers.
@@JTD33 Hey it’s okay❤️ U don’t have to get upset. Let them have their opinion
he didn't really enter residency because he was a FY2 which is like 2 yrs of work after u finish medschool
I have lots of doctor clients and own a commercial real estate company. They buy passive NNN commercial properties with the goal to eventually replace most of their medical income. They also build additional value by owning their practice or owning a percentage of the company they work for . The surgeons can make 1 to 2 million a year or more but longevity to earn income is a shorter span because it takes it's toll on their bodies versus a doctor that sees patients for minor stuff in a practice. The full time RUclipsrs that make lots of money I have heard some of them work 12 hours a day stuck in their house with 3 other full time employees and that is their life pretty much. No thanks to that existence. It's not just about the amount of money but how you make the money and if that is a path you want to live and go down for the journey and experience.
My opinion: He's going to regret his decision in his 50's and 60's. He's just chasing affirmation, and didn't get it enough as a doctor.
Why would he regret it?
@@NaomiandJack we sometimes get a more accurate view of our lives near the end of it, after we've spent a few decades realizing some things about ourselves.
I feel weird watching UK and USA doctors saying that they earn little ( which is btw true ) as med student from Poland. Here after 6 years of med school you earn a little bit more than minimal wage at 13 month intership. Then you start specializations ( residency ) and with 4-6 duties/shifts you will earn after tax around 7-8 K PLN which is 2 times more than a cashier at supermarket or guy working at warehouse. After residency while working in our NHS youll get around 8 K PLN ( 1900 bucks ). Our wages are some kind of joke, the NHS is failing and many experienced doctors are quitting the job.
In the UK the way the NHS was set up has been eroded. Some of the reasons are down to being able to do more, the cost of the most advance treatments and a rise in population. Others are down to under funding, ignoring the reports the government set up and waste e.g. trillions on failed ppe purchased not fit for purpose and wasted on a failed track and trace system.
The pressure of 12 hour shifts. The over work, broken equipment, lack of beds and in leaving the EU telling many doctors and nurses that they have no right to stay, delay their applications and force them out of the UK. Then do the same to non-EU doctors and nurses they had recruited.
Finally the government wish to move to private health care modelled on the worlds worst system that of the USA.
The other profession that has also been under funded and badly treated are teachers.
Nurses, teachers, doctors and lecturers are leaving their professions because of the hours, under appreciation, under funding and a yoyo demand on procedures and paper work that do not improve the outcomes.
UK and USA are not the only countries heading that direction but are leading by a long way.
Is this going to affect how admissions boards will look into students and allow the personal statements have a higher weight. Because I doubt it medical schools and residency programs would not look more into it
I reckon Ali should have went into med tech or plastics. I reckon he would have stayed. Honestly having someone breathing down your neck whilst your training is hell. Whilst it may not be a decision I would make, I fully understand his decision.
No, he doesn’t look anything like you.
Haha
4 monitors = he is doing stock trading boys and girls.
or maybe those are to see sooo many scans
Bro.. attending life is so sweet. I'm full time and I work less than 40 hours a week and don't take call. 80% of my day is downtime. lmao. yeah buddy
What specialty
bro that is totally misleading
if you propose the idea that ( if you don't like it as a medical student, just wait till you try being an intern or a resident and so on ) it is certainly obvious that having a passion for the profession is highly determined during the first two years of medical school.
if you got along with a group of people and got to form connections with people who share with you the passion for medicine then that is a really good indication that you are probably going to like it later on.
if on the other hand you don't seem to have any contributions to the teams or any side activities going on what so ever and you are unable to "fit in" from early on, or you felt that you have a change of heart during these first couple of years. then that is a really good sign that maybe you are not cut out to be a doctor! , medicine isn't going to workout suddenly if you grind it out.!
I'm a M1 at PCOM - GA. PLEAAASE come TEACH, even if you do it at the Philly campus, I'll see it!
☘️🍀 Good talk very informative
If you want to learn how to write on the screen, he shares how he does it in his RUclips creator academy course on skill share!
First comment. Proud of myself. This is drive and power.
Lol I’m proud too
Two of my cousins are physicians and are going to retire as physicians. We share some of the same bloodlines. But, I realized when I was younger that the stress of school, training and practice would have been too much for me. Always wanted to be one. I am a HCP, but not an MD. Much love for physicians.
Current M2 student and stumbled on your page. Great page and subscribed. I think Ali did the right thing. Gotta follow your passion-even if that means a complete change of direction career wise.
That good feeling about your coworkers stops about year 18 into your career. Those friends thin out about the time your kids are teens. Now, work satisfaction......waxes and wanes.....alllll life long. And if you don't jump from a tall building at 50......you may make it till your 80s......incontinent, inconsolable and insignificant....to all but a few. Now excuse me....I need a spirited beverage and a nap.
A lot of these "I quit medicine" videos recently. Fascinating.
Thanks for summarizing! He makes his videos too long and repetitive. As far as I understand it he finished foundation year training which in UK is 2 years. However he should have had full registration after just 1. It seems after foundation training he was too busy with RUclips etc and seems to have stayed as SHO (senior house officer-old term but frequently still used) rather than going into a training program (nowadays there are a few different pre-registrar SHO programs you can attend or just stay SHO) and he surely did not progress to become a registrar (which I think is the same as attenting). The final step would then of course be to become a hospital consultant. Alternatively you can join the GP training program and become a GP. I am not sure though if Ali did attend any of the pre-registrar programmes though.
The salaries in UK for doctors are very low and especially at his low level which he has outlined in his videos previously. So makes sense he chose it.
Just as a point of clarificaton on this - it often makes more sense to get to SHO as your locum rates are higher and you can jump back into specialty training. He would then become a specialty registrar (resident) and then a consultant (which is the same as an attending). So at the point he's left he hasn't started any kind of specialty training, you're correct.
Work is work.
Life is hard. Get over it.
I wish I could work half day, but get paid enough and have ample free time to do whatever I wish.
That's a wrong mentality. You should be happy with what you're doing. My father never liked his job, and all he did was complain about it everyday. My grandfather on the other hand loved his job being a company secretary. It's not about working half day and getting paid, it's about doing what you are happy with.
People making videos about ‘why they quit’ are just trying to convince themselves they made the right decision. You quit. Plain and simple. Either it got too hard, you don’t like it anymore, or you want to do something else. No need for any of this philosophical bullshit.
If I could quit medicine and do it part time trust me I’d do it.
Then quit. If you're truly fine with your decision: cool. If you're not: I'll see your upcoming youtube video desperately justifying to people why.
@@jonfilibuster8499 Its not a financial decision I can make. If I am financially independent I will 100% do it.
I think it’s totally fair to change your career if you feel like you’re not maximizing the quality of your time, and obviously, this is a choice each person has to make for themselves. I do think though that most millennials in my generation have this love of the “work from home”, “work when you want” mentality and I don’t think it’s always the best mentality to have. My opinion is that these mentalities breed a relatively dull life without meaning. Ultimately, I think most people makes there impact, however small or large, and I think it’s important to acknowledge that working hard and being ok with your job is ok. There will be times when you love it and times when your passion fades, but you can always explore other areas of the field or create your own niche that nobody has created before. Just a thought. But this is a huge topic and loaded with ideas so it’s not one size fits all.
I resonate with this
I think nowadays NFT trader, & Audience Builder & influencer & podcaster sure is super fun, however you make a good point regarding job security.
Great video! US pharmacist here but white belt at RUclips-ing. Your video got recommended to me, prob bc I follow Ali. But love your content and you my friend, are very lucky to enjoy what you do. I still do as well but maybe not full time. Also subbed!
Wow what a waste. Just adding one more useless RUclips channel and subtract a doctor.
For his 2 million subscribers he is not useless. You know what is useless? Your comment. He will be replaced by any other doctor, they are not as rare as a Yeti.
@@analitycznie saving lives vs RUclips blogger. 😂😂😂.
I don't understand going into medicine for money.
Imagine, in my country doctors are payed by the "country", and if you exclude the very highest level of doctors, the average doctor earns way less than an average IT guy or other field that requires university (and is a "valuable" degree). Not to mention the other medical professionals who are not doctors (nurses, etc), they earn less than I do as a data scientist trainee.... No wonder healthcare is crumbling
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In order to stay relevant with followers your life would have to constantly be changing, or they would get bored. medicine gives most YTubers a perspective they would never otherwise have any clue. Don't leave medicine......
ER doc here ! Just passing by ! STAY SAFE ALL !! 🗽🚑👍
you should react to mine... 😆
AI will become the future doctor. All the doctors may become irrelevant. Maybe just to supervise what AI has to offer.
UK system is different from USA, he is equivalent to just finishing intern year.
🍀 You make cool videos; I would still watch your videos if you weren't a radiologist
If too many doctors quit who will take care of them or patients would have to wait for a doctor who can help them …
HEY, LOVE THIS! CAN YOU DO A COLLAB WITH DR MIKE, LIKE THIS VIDEO GUYS IF YOU WANT TO SEE THIS COLLAB.
🍀 at the end of the day it is best to do what truly makes you happy. So you won’t have regrets and have what if thoughts. However, it makes it difficult when you don’t know what truly makes you happy/want to do and don’t have the means to venture out and figure it out.
I'd still watch you! I don't care what it's about! Heck, I understand nothing about stocks but I watch the ones about stocks!
If I won the lottery , I would volunteer in all kinds of ways.. to help other people
I don't blame people for living Medicine, is a lot of stress . No life balance.
Don’t get medicine RUclipsrs trying to quit medicine. Seems like they never had a true passion in medicine.
🤷🏽♂️. There have been a lot
Lately
Or maybe he did love medicine but later found he loved RUclips/content creation more. And the combination loving RUclips more and making over 10x what he would as a doctor made it make sense to do YT full time.
@@0Mynameisearl0 he admitted he didn’t like medicine at all in the video. If he likes medicine he wouldn’t quit. You can do both
You know people’s passions can change over time? Especially with age
@@HarpreetSingh-tt3io he said “I genuinely did enjoy the job” sounds to me like he did like his job and just found something he enjoyed more. And he did do both for years
If Ali Abdal is not happy with his job medicine it's okay to quit it . This is great video reaction . Thank you 👍
His reasons for Work - I only agree with 1, 3, and 4
He looks a little lookalike. You are the original Italian Stallion MD
Not a med student here but as a pt student who thinks the world of medicine is super interesting, this guy commentary cracks me up with his delivery of med content lol 👍🍀
Hey maybe he's only making 120k as a phsyican. But at least everyone's healthcare is "FREE" over there thanks to stealing the cost of treatment directly from the medical staff
@@amoxzi 🤣 that's so much worse than I thought it is. So I guess in the UK, if you want to make average income and be physically and mentally worn out, you go to be a physician. In North America you go to work a factory job if that's what you want. ☠️
@@Chadministrator93 As I said to others, google some statistics about physicians' income around the world. The US are VERY different, both in compensations and worklife balance.
@@PierSilver and in the quality and speed of service!
He clearly left because of money which goes to show he wasnt 100% in on being a doctor or wanting to help people. He even did the doctor job for the wages it was paying. Money talks its not even a questionable thing why he left the profession. If he really wanted to help people that were sick he wouldnt have left. Debate i dont see one here
His investment banker donating to charity vs doctor comparison was terrible, narrow-minded and extremely hurtful. especially for someone who's had a direct impact on patients during COVID. "saving 7-8 lives" I mean are you kidding me?
7:00 yeah we kind of need to cut the “I need to feel special” talk out our career pursuits. “I don’t feel like I’m making any real impact,” is the dilapidated cry of us millennials and Gen Z’ers today which sometimes makes me wonder if we’re really looking for fame and worship.
If your working with a collective as you mentioned in the medical field, than the work you do and you yourself matter. Being a vital cog to a larger operation means that if you’re removed, than the entire thing is blown.
This whole claim of, “I don’t feel like I matter” is just the “you are special!” Barney song noise gone off the rails. Recognition and credit is a losing game if that’s what keeping you moved to work.