As I just listened Flagship chugging I was already sure that it would be the winner, super tight yet clear bottom end along with perfect amount of aggression.
I was literally just jamming with the Dover and Burger sims last night, and they still bring a smile to my face. If those are ever updated to the Vorna modeling, I think they can still hold their own against the others!
Tried them all and the best tones come from the ML800 and ML Plexi, to my ears. You guys did a stellar job and I use it on ALL my tracks. Can I ask a favor for a feature? How about a stereo input/output switch?
I"m kinda surprised you didn't have the Dual in there. I get some seriously massive chug through that one with my Ownhammer IR's. Presently though, I've been pretty blown away with the Fluff 2C.
Fluff 2c is my absolute favorite. It feels the best to play for my style, which is A LOT of pick attack and fast machine gun style riffing. With plain chugs and power chords in general, the flagship takes this one, but it's not my personal playing style, so fluff 2c wins for me.
Of all the sims I’ve tried (neural plugin alliance Otto kuassa Kazrog audio assault audiority Softube etc) mikkos stuff is at the top. All of these sound stellar on my setup
Hey Miko - thanks for this! I'm really happy with the full version of Amped Roots I got a while back. I usually blend the 5151 with the Freeman! If you happen to see this comment - would you mind recommending a couple of IR packs? I've literally only been using the ML "best IR in the world" for years and figured I'd get a couple of packs during this sale. The Freeman pack seems like a no-brainer to me for a british-style cab sound. But what would you recommend for a classic Mesa V30 vibe? There's just too many to choose from lol.
@@OldTomato44 Thank you so much! For "that" sound Mega Djent has super rich mid range. If you want a huge Mega 4x12 sound then Oversize is my personal go-to but I'm biased as it's my personal cab from ages ago. 😊
Unfortunately, this kind of thing is difficult to really give a true fairness to - we did what we believe to be the best way to compare the amps directly. We could always do another chug competition with all the amps at their absolute best! -Kai
I think this one could've gone either way really - if we'd displayed every amp with a boost, the ones that shined here might not have shined like they did. We figured it's best to strip it back to the essentials for this one, but we might revisit it with boosted amps! -Kai
That's fair enough - this kind of thing is all subjective, if all your preferred amps went out in the first round, it means that yours and Mikko's preferences are opposite. There's nothing wrong with that at all! -Kai
The Flagship sounds cleaner and "quicker" the CB4 sounds "richer" to _my taste_. Fluff was also quite good. I purchased the CB4 which I totally did not expect to sound good (so far Diezel sims did not click with my pickups and playing style) but it was also a winner in my own shootouts with my own mixes.
Glad you're digging the CB4! It was my personal favourite for a long while, it's a nice versatile one with a tonne of variations on different usable tones. -Kai
Man, I just got the super and roots, and now I'm gassing for that flagship, Also are there any good demos around for the Zilla cab pack, I've always been curious about where it sits compared to the likes of the freedman and mega packs, i only have the mega green and the included freedman in the roots amp for reference?
Where is the love for the Chug King Fluff 2C?! 🧐 I was disappointed it was cut from the finals and I was shook of the winner! 😱 Never imagined the Flagship to even be chugable 🙉 Thou I won't deny that I was impressed and shook how well it sounded 😳 But I'd rate deez something like: 1. Fluff 2C 2. ML5 3. Flagship And special mention to the Duper.
Never imagined Flagship to be chuggable? Dang, you need to go check out the trial version! It's absolutely stacked with heavy heavy high gain tones. -Kai
When you chose the Flagship over the 2C I threw my beer at and destroyed my $3K 85" TV. Thanks A LOT bro! Clearly 2C and Da Dupa' were the best chuggerz! GET A LIFE!
@@MaximusAdonicus ...all that said, let's not lose sight of my comment. I'm 100% right. While they all sound great and have their own characteristics, 2C FTW!
None of them have the best chug because it also depends on the guitar, which you never mentioned, so your entire comparison video is pretty much irrelevant IMO
The guitar was kept the same for each of the chugs - that's the important part. There's a tonne of other things that will affect the sound of the chugs, be it strings, setup, pick choice, pickups or otherwise. Provided that all those are the same, you can fairly compare each of the amps' ability to chug. -Kai
@@mlsoundlab - Your entire response was a complete contradiction. First you specifically said all the things that will effect the sound, then you said your demo "can fairly compare each of the amps". That's a total contradiction. What a total load of shit that response was.
When all those things are equal, like they are in this demo, you can accurate compare the amps to each other. This video isn't showing you which one will sound the best on your rig, this is comparing them together on our rig. -Kai
@@ShadovvV The response was not a contradiction at all. He used the same guitar for the entire thing. That means the guitar was the same for the entire video, through every amp sim. How much more straightforward could that possibly be? Everything was the same. That means it was a fair comparison. I don't think he changed pickups halfway through.
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As I just listened Flagship chugging I was already sure that it would be the winner, super tight yet clear bottom end along with perfect amount of aggression.
Yeah it's seriously hard to beat. Most guitar tones expose weaknesses when put into a mix. Flagship just owned it
that Fluff amp was the best
They're all so awesome!! 😁
Very humble of you to make this video about your products. I'm enyoing the Fluff 2c a lot at the moment.
Thank you so much!
I was literally just jamming with the Dover and Burger sims last night, and they still bring a smile to my face. If those are ever updated to the Vorna modeling, I think they can still hold their own against the others!
Definitely! Those are awesome amp sims. 😊
@@mlsoundlab Are there plans to upgrade some non 2.0 plugins?
Tried them all and the best tones come from the ML800 and ML Plexi, to my ears. You guys did a stellar job and I use it on ALL my tracks. Can I ask a favor for a feature? How about a stereo input/output switch?
Thank you for asking about it, we're talking about the best way to implement it at the minute 🙏
-Kai
flagship is strong and rich!!!
long life and god bless ml sound lab.
Thank you so much!! 👍😊
Not only are your plugins TOP NOTCH. Your videos are also very entertaining. Keep it comin dudes!
Thank you! 🔥
-Kai
They're all awesome.
Any chance we'll see an ML5 v2? That would really get me pumped (:
Thanks and yup ML5 will get Vorna hopefully very soon.
@ML Sound Lab Awesome! Thanks for making such outstanding sims. It's nice to know my money's going to great work and not mind-boggling marketing (:
I"m kinda surprised you didn't have the Dual in there. I get some seriously massive chug through that one with my Ownhammer IR's. Presently though, I've been pretty blown away with the Fluff 2C.
Saved it for another shootout where it likely wins 😄👍
would love to have the super duper updated!
Oh that would be awesome 💪
-Kai
Excellent video. Your amp plugins are the best👍👍
Thank you for the kind words. 😊
Fluff 2c is my absolute favorite. It feels the best to play for my style, which is A LOT of pick attack and fast machine gun style riffing. With plain chugs and power chords in general, the flagship takes this one, but it's not my personal playing style, so fluff 2c wins for me.
Solid options all round! Fluff 2C is one of my favourite general high gain tones we've done, it's super tight and responsive.
-Kai
Here for the chugs! Howdy ML peeps!
Welcome kind sir!
Of all the sims I’ve tried (neural plugin alliance Otto kuassa Kazrog audio assault audiority Softube etc) mikkos stuff is at the top. All of these sound stellar on my setup
Thank you so much! 💪
-Kai
I really surprised about Flagship. I was thinking this is just modern 2204, but it's great for metal. Wow.
Oh yeah, it's a hot-rodded monster! A total behemoth for high gain tones.
-Kai
You'll be even more surprised when you try the two JJ channels it comes with :)
Very cool! But I definetely have a thing for the ML5, hahah! And a new comparision including the boost pedal would be nice to hear too!
I mean all of these have an amazing guitar tone. It really comes down to personal preference. 😏
@@mlsoundlab ... sure! It has been pretty hard trying to choose between ML5, Fluff and Flagship.
Ml soundlab plug-ins are by far the best in the industry for the money....along with NDSP.
Thanks Barry!
-Kai
Would you mind sharing the settings you used on the CB4 ??
You didn't call this a Chug-Down! Somehow, I see this as a lost opportunity...
Your amps, cabs and drums are amazing.. Thank you!
Thank you so much Darren!! 💪
-Kai
Hey Miko - thanks for this! I'm really happy with the full version of Amped Roots I got a while back. I usually blend the 5151 with the Freeman!
If you happen to see this comment - would you mind recommending a couple of IR packs? I've literally only been using the ML "best IR in the world" for years and figured I'd get a couple of packs during this sale. The Freeman pack seems like a no-brainer to me for a british-style cab sound. But what would you recommend for a classic Mesa V30 vibe? There's just too many to choose from lol.
Mega Djent is the best IR pack on the planet and I will fight any who disagree. It just works with everything.
@@OldTomato44 Thank you so much! For "that" sound Mega Djent has super rich mid range. If you want a huge Mega 4x12 sound then Oversize is my personal go-to but I'm biased as it's my personal cab from ages ago. 😊
@@OldTomato44 Old Tomato has spoken. The matter is settled.
The Burger woulda kicked all them A's! =P
Aww man!! I always think if it as a beefy amp like Dual etc. 😄
u should post the settings of every amp so people can try at home
well, just bought the flagship. promotion works again. lol 😄
Haa was not just a plug but hey - it really is good so now it the time to get it. 😊
@@mlsoundlab you made some really excellent amp sims, Miko… glad to have found your company…🙌🏻🎸🕺🏻
Keeping it fair would be each amp at its best. Not certain amps not being used as designed.
Unfortunately, this kind of thing is difficult to really give a true fairness to - we did what we believe to be the best way to compare the amps directly. We could always do another chug competition with all the amps at their absolute best!
-Kai
Fully agree with this list, tho imo Duper beats Bossford, not that it really matters cause Flagship would win anyways.
Very cool comparison! Although I would have just changed to boost every amp instead of not or done both. Seems simple enough but cool vid anyway.
I think this one could've gone either way really - if we'd displayed every amp with a boost, the ones that shined here might not have shined like they did. We figured it's best to strip it back to the essentials for this one, but we might revisit it with boosted amps!
-Kai
This is the video I fucking needed 😍
ML5 for me (m)
Always an excellent choice!
-Kai
Glad i bought the flagship
Excellent tastes!
-Kai
Fluff 2C is the best overall
Not sure if it’s just me but I disagree with the verdict. All the better sounding amps were eliminated in the first round.
That's fair enough - this kind of thing is all subjective, if all your preferred amps went out in the first round, it means that yours and Mikko's preferences are opposite. There's nothing wrong with that at all!
-Kai
The Flagship sounds cleaner and "quicker" the CB4 sounds "richer" to _my taste_. Fluff was also quite good. I purchased the CB4 which I totally did not expect to sound good (so far Diezel sims did not click with my pickups and playing style) but it was also a winner in my own shootouts with my own mixes.
Glad you're digging the CB4! It was my personal favourite for a long while, it's a nice versatile one with a tonne of variations on different usable tones.
-Kai
Was there a specific preset used on each of these amps?
Man, I just got the super and roots, and now I'm gassing for that flagship,
Also are there any good demos around for the Zilla cab pack, I've always been curious about where it sits compared to the likes of the freedman and mega packs, i only have the mega green and the included freedman in the roots amp for reference?
Good question! Zila featured a lot in our earlier cab pack comparison videos, check it out here: ruclips.net/video/Uo7N1gtV8-8/видео.html
-Kai
Where is the love for the Chug King Fluff 2C?! 🧐 I was disappointed it was cut from the finals and I was shook of the winner! 😱 Never imagined the Flagship to even be chugable 🙉 Thou I won't deny that I was impressed and shook how well it sounded 😳
But I'd rate deez something like:
1. Fluff 2C
2. ML5
3. Flagship
And special mention to the Duper.
Never imagined Flagship to be chuggable? Dang, you need to go check out the trial version! It's absolutely stacked with heavy heavy high gain tones.
-Kai
Is there a way to play these as a stand alone, rather than having to use it only in your DAW?
Yup, they all come with a standalone version. I just bought the Flagship yesterday and I have the free 5153 Roots amp...great amp sims.
I always find funny how it sounds "emo" sound labs, lol😂
Man that would be a much better brand name!
If that was the case I'd sell all my future ML stuff for the gypsies and donate the free stuff to the trash! 😆🧐
When you chose the Flagship over the 2C I threw my beer at and destroyed my $3K 85" TV. Thanks A LOT bro! Clearly 2C and Da Dupa' were the best chuggerz! GET A LIFE!
I kinda agree, but in a less violent way 😀🙉
@@MaximusAdonicus I *might* be friends with the guys and ribbing them about differences of opinions...maybe...😉
@@Brockstar 😱
@@MaximusAdonicus ...all that said, let's not lose sight of my comment. I'm 100% right. While they all sound great and have their own characteristics, 2C FTW!
Hahahaha!! The closest one for me was ML5 and Fluff 2C. Also listening on headphones now sounds quite different. 🤣
What about Scuffham S-Gear ? Doesnt it work with ML Sound Lab IRs ?
You should be able to load our IRs into the Scuffham S-Gear plugin!
-Kai
Will ARK get an engine update? (like Roots did)
Hopefully soon! 💪
-Kai
ark v2?
Flagship all day for me :)
I think roots kills them all honestly...if dialed in good
It all Depends what your trying to do...
Absolutely - so many variables in all of this, there's never a "one size fits all". Use what works for you, and own it!
-Kai
@ML Sound Lab words of wisdom my brutha :)
None of them have the best chug because it also depends on the guitar, which you never mentioned, so your entire comparison video is pretty much irrelevant IMO
The guitar was kept the same for each of the chugs - that's the important part. There's a tonne of other things that will affect the sound of the chugs, be it strings, setup, pick choice, pickups or otherwise. Provided that all those are the same, you can fairly compare each of the amps' ability to chug.
-Kai
@@mlsoundlab - Your entire response was a complete contradiction. First you specifically said all the things that will effect the sound, then you said your demo "can fairly compare each of the amps". That's a total contradiction. What a total load of shit that response was.
When all those things are equal, like they are in this demo, you can accurate compare the amps to each other. This video isn't showing you which one will sound the best on your rig, this is comparing them together on our rig.
-Kai
@@ShadovvV The response was not a contradiction at all. He used the same guitar for the entire thing. That means the guitar was the same for the entire video, through every amp sim. How much more straightforward could that possibly be? Everything was the same. That means it was a fair comparison. I don't think he changed pickups halfway through.