The first page of “Capricho Arabe” by Francisco Terrega comes to mind. Long runs of 16th and 32nd notes that sounds like something Satriani would’ve played if he were alive in the 19th century 😂
@@Chiller11 That is precisely what came to my mind when I started listening to their stuff. 20 seconds into listening to "Playing God" my brain immediately went 'this is electric Flamenco'.
You also need to keep in mind that music, it's also an acquired taste. You learn to like things and some things are easier to like than others. That's why pop music appeals to more people, not because it has 'more soul/feel'
Fun fact when Music is Win had Tim on, Tim stated Hendrix is one of his favorites. And I think there is something to that. Hendrix was a massiv innovator at his time, especially when it came to effect usage and articulation. Tim does similar things but in a different direction.
I can't get around the fuzz nor Hendrix's singing to get through one song. He was an entertainer, that's it. Carlos Santana on the other hand to keep it American in the mid to late 60s, was either on par or better in my opinion. He has more feel and is more technical without any dirty pedals. I can say that Eddie is better because he was full natural in his guitar sound/tone. Santana and Eddie knew that lead singing were not for them.
@@lakerfan2874 LMAO awful opinion. Also Carlos Santana isn't even American, he was born in Mexico, grew up in Mexico, didn't even come to the US until he was already performing professionally. Also explain how Santana was "more technical". I mean be specific. I'm a guitar teacher, and Hendrix's parts are generally much more complex than the average Santana part, and I like Carlos a lot. Also Carlos, while having a pretty simple signal chain, has used "dirty pedals" (can't believe you unironically said this). I'm looking at a picture of one of his pedalboards from his 2014 tour and he has a wah, a big muff, a delay, and a compressor on it. And I know for a fact he's used tube screamers in the past as well. Leave it to the Lakers fan to not know what he's talking about... 😂
@@gdawgs101 Leave it to a boring guitar teacher to go word for word into bars and chords, but probably won't listen to much music unless it's classical and probably folk or pop. Mexico is an American country a part of the North American continent, so I'm still right about Santana being an American, just not what you think when you're looking at the country of the US. I'd rather have raw feel and emotion more than the artificial fuzz sound. I love the wah-wah pedal because it gives the guitar an effect while keeping the sound as it was being played normally. The fuzz pedal just makes it darker and probably most of the times muddy. I believe thr fuzz pedal is better on the bass than the lead or rhythm guitar. You're a teacher making a production, I'm just a listener and like what I like. It's more preference than an opinion. In my opinion, you're just pissed because I see Hendrix as just an entertainer more than a guitar god. If you give Hendrix DLR's vocals then maybe I'll give it to him, but for me, if he's the frontman, he better be like Chuck Berry more than he is a singing Santana or go the Joe Satriani route and hire a freaking singer and do tons of instrumentals to showcase the skill and talent. Singers today can't play guitar and some guitarists don't sing to get by. Just because you go note by note and think the fuzz pedal is better than the damn regular tone and sound of the guitar doesn't mean I'm going to change my mind on him. I played Guitar Hero World Tour and the two songs that are on there, I played and I couldn't get into a groove. Hell, Somewhere Along the Watchtower has a good intro because it's a basic acoustic intro, but as a singer I give Bob Dylan the respect that he needs. You can be the best guitarist, but you might as well hire a singer and do what you do best, which is what Santana does. Not everyone's gonna be into Hendrix like not everyone's into the Beatles, Tom Petty, or Metallica, which is fine by me. Hell, I'd say Petty's a better singer than Hendrix and you'd just be fine because you're just a guitar teacher. Plus, teachers indoctrinate their pupils to be just like them, so if I was one of your students, don't think I'm gonna listen and like it. I never liked Van Halen, The Doors, ACDC, Led Zeppelin except for Stairway to Heaven, or even Tom Petty as a kid/teen, but I do now. I won't even listen to Polyphia because it doesn't rock like the 5 above do. A very skilled guitarist should stay in their lane and be a very skilled guitarist. Nobody thinks of Steven Tyler for his harmonica skills nor do people think about Hendrix for his singing, they typically skip to the parts that have the riffs and solos. I had a change of heart on Bruce Springsteen being too depressing, he's not at all. If Hendrix lived over 27, he wouldn't be thought about as much as he does today like Cobain, Winehouse and Joplin. Hell, if you're a guitar teacher, you might hate Nirvana for their raunchy, unprofessional, and untechnical riffs, bridges, and solos. For good riffs, I think about Steppenwolf's Born to be Wild, George Harrison's Wah-Wah, Metallica's Inamorata and Halo on Fire to name a few songs, Megadeth's Holy Wars and Symphony of Destruction, ACDC's Thunderstruck, Deep Purple's Highway Star and Smoke on the Water, Tom Petty's American Girl, Fault Lines, and You Wreck Me to name a few again. I also think about a lot more than Hendrix, again I don't listen to Hendrix and the impressions from those 2 songs on Guitar Hero World Tour is something to consider why. I didn't like Jim Morrison's vocals, but I found a liking to them like I do with Bon Scott's and Brian Johnson's. All I know is that Hendrix is only known for a couple of songs/riffs like Purple Haze. I don't see a huge issue liking someone better than someone else. Plus, with the Lakers fan thing, you're just a typical Hendrix loving guitar teacher ready and eager enough to show your students the "unique" techniques he used as if no one has put them in their repertoire.
@ItsMeBarnaby Once more, Carlos Santana is a naturalized US citizen, so he does count as an American. At the time, there was no great guitarist in the US besides Hendrix and Santana. Plus, moving the goal post is something odd since a lot of people do call others as Americans. If we call Europeans, Europeans in general, why can't we in North and South America? It's like calling someone from Italy a European and a Lebanese a Middle Eastern even though their in the continent of Asia. So where's the middle ground for it. If we're going on region, then Mexico would just be a region of North America as it doesn't stretch the whole of Central America. There are 2 American continents and 3 American regions with America in the name, which are North, Central, and South America. In the US alone, we have multiple regions, which could be countries if there's ways for that to happen, like New England, Atlantic, Southeast, Central/Midwest, Southwest, and Pacific. Classifying someone as something is where everything is culturized. Calling me a nerd for geography lessons isn't something you should be doing since most Americans care less for geography and more into fashion, parties, and looks. I'd rather be knowledgeable than looking pretty because that's what society and culture desire most. Again, Santana has been a naturalized US citizen since 1965. Ethnicity and location of birth shouldn't hurt an argument about US guitar players of the 60s as there were barely any great players at that time. Hell, I'd add Johnny Cash for how he used his acoustic guitar as a percussion instrument by putting a playing card in between some strings.
@ItsMeBarnaby I don't call Mexicans Americans. The issue here is nationality. I mean, if I said Clapton was better during the 60s, then it'd be an uproar. I could have also stated that George Harrison was better. I'm only talking about in America in the 60s, not around the world. If we were talking around the world in the 60s, then we'd be talking about Clapton, Page, Gilmour, Harrison, McCartney, Lennon, Richards, and so on. I don't see the guitarist for Steppenwolf at that time period on the level of a supposed Hendrix. I'd even go on the whim that around that time, Chuck Berry had a say about being one of the best guitarists in the 60s, even if he was more well known in the 50s. American music was mostly bubblegum, pop, surfer, and so on. It became rock and roll in the mid to late 60s thanks to Vietnam. Hell, if we're talking American, I could bring up John Fogerty being better than Hendrix because his vocals were better than Hendrix's were. I'm only talking about the 60s because he was well known in the 60s and is only well known now because of his death. I don't think he would've survived in the late 70s and beyond because that's when American guitar mastering was well into that with Satriani, Hammett, Van Halen, Mick Mars, Slash, Ace Frehley, and so on. Could you name a riff from any other song besides Purple Haze? This is what I'm getting at. Everyone goes into Purple Haze and ends it there. I could go heavily into Harrison's career and get them, with Clapton and the others too. I may listen to them more, but there's a lot more memorable riffs from a huge variety. Even if Hendrix died at 27, he must have more than one song that has a memorable riff like Purple Haze, right? Memorable riff means when it plays, anyone can tell which song it is right off the bat. Once again, could we bring in Robert Johnson into the argument, or is he too primitive? Could we bring in some Blues musicians like BB King into the fray, or is it a different genre? Again, I'm looking at rock and roll guitarists from the 60s. It baffles me to think that you would believe that I don't know anything about rock and roll music. Hell, I could even bring up Dick Dale, or is Misirlou too basic for your taste? Again, I'm just talking about the US in the 60s, nothing from the 50s since rock and roll was still in its infantile phase, and it was not too fond of at the time. Rock and roll at that time was mainly Rockabilly because that's what people liked. Rock and roll became rock and roll after the Beatles came to the US in the 60s, and after the intervention with the Vietnamese War 10 years in. I bet you'd hate it if I stated that Synyster Gates or Kirk Hammett is better than Hendrix, but then again, guitar playing has gotten a lot more about shredding, harmonics, and djenting more than literal playing with some fundamental skills like sliding and bending. I have a boat load of music to listen to, so if Hendrix isn't in my physical CD library, then I would be ok. It's what Charlie says to Steven Tyler on Two and a Half Men that is true about Hendrix. "They come for your singing. They tolerate the harmonica." Which was Charlie's line. "They come for the guitar and spectacle. They tolerate the singing," is what would have been said to Hendrix. When people talk about Hendrix, they talk about the guitar playing skills and his death. They never talk about his music. Barely anyone did back then because everyone was high off of something. It's the same with me and Dark Side of the Moon, I don't get why it's a huge deal of an album besides two songs I like (Time and Money), but then again, in 1973, people were high off of something also. Sometimes, you need something to even make any sense of it all. I also forgot one guitarist who should be argued to be one of the best in the 60s, and that is Tony Iommi. Doing what he did then and what he's doing now with Ozzy's 2022 album with only 8 full fingers has been a listening champion. Once more, anyone I pull out besides the well known would have been put to shambles like Barry Gibb as he's a guitarist just like anybody else I named, but the levels isn't that far out because he's what people call a Rhythm Guitarist. We're talking about lead guitarists. I'd probably claim Mike Campbell from The Heartbreakers and Mudcrutch to be one of the best songwriters and musicians. I don't imply on trashing Hendrix as again, I don't care for him. I just don't understand the hype and idolatry with his name besides one song and his death.
Even Tim Henson himself said he loves Boomer bends. He just named it that because the boomer generation invented that style of bend. Nothing backhanded about it. Boomer bends rock
@@KirkVz It's not like he was salty people with any modicum of musical taste criticised his music, of course... And criticising older people for being older is karma in the making, unless you're going to join the 27 Club :P
Something I think a lot of people get wrong is that music theory is not ''this is good and you shouldn't do anything else'' is a ''these things sound good and many people have been using them for a long time. Now, do whatever you want and use me as a tool''
I think you missed his point entirely. Theory is a tool to help you achieve what you're trying to say. A vocabulary to help you pick the right words to construct a coherent sentence rather than just speaking from the heart and tripping over your words until you get it right @IdkwhoIam8218
@@bottlemanic I’m talking about the people who act like music theory is the most important thing in a song and without it the song is bad (Ben Shapiro)
I dunno, zero mention of the entire jazz movement, whcih arguably went through the exact same technicality arc that inevitably led to it falling out of favour. bebop legends like charlie parker and john coltrane were arguably the tosin abasis of the jazz world, and I think that both art forms led to an alienation of the audience, which results in a generation rebelling against the technical mastery and going back to the fundamentals.
@@losfogo7149 pretty much yeah, but it'll be sooner than that. Gotta make up for Moore's Law and all, and also we're just progressing faster with communication developments. I predict that the Gilmour Bend will actually be recreated on an instrument other than the guitar which will reinvigorate the interest in bends and glissando.
@@losfogo7149 Also, it sings "I'm better than you and you know it" as it solos unless you pass the social credit check at the paygate on the plugin itself.
tim henson never said boomer bends as a derogative thing, he just called it that because the technique was popular with that generation and because of the alliteration, tim henson actually likes boomer bends
Yeah, I actually dislike how many people like the one on this video, intentionally misinterpret what Hensen said to create views, drama and outrage. And then say things like "oh well it is all subjective and I am not trying to" When, Hensen himself has been clear on what he meant.
Yeah, it sounds like someone just heard that term, got offended by it and ran with it. As much as I think calling bends "boomer bends" is dumb as well, it's not a big deal.
You cant use a word with a negative connotation and expect people to not take it negatively. The word "Boomer" has been used for years now as a mocking term for older people/styling/beliefs. Of course people are gonna hear "Boomer bends" and think its a mocking critique of bending as a whole made by an artist who's trying to "innovate".
The Stratocaster wasn’t released until the 50’s. Pedals had nothing to do with main stream rock music until the 60s. All trivial corrections, the video still properly conveys your point.
It all started with a broken recording mixing console, then that sound, was converted and engineered into a pedal, the Maestro Fuzz tone FZ1. Initially the pedal was advertised as being able to simulate wood wind and brass instruments when plugged into string instruments; because it was so expensive it was never really advertised to the average enthusiast or amateur musician. The Rolling Stones used an FZ1 to record satisfaction, because they couldn’t afford a horns section. The FZ1 enabled them to use the guitar to fill the sonic void that normally would be filled by a brass section.
@@junny3000 Fuzz son Fuzz. Hit with satisfaction by the stones Used by Hendrix Used be the Beatles A mainstay of the whole 60s Psychedelic scene ruclips.net/video/Tfpn3wHoNGA/видео.html
And then there's this gray area where you have the best of both worlds. Players like Chet Atkins, Jerry Reed, etc can get quite technical but there's so much emotion in their playing, it's beautiful
Clapton used to talk about how the best guitarists use their talents to make good songs, not use the songs to showcase their talents. Difference between him and someone like Yngwie.
I like how guitarists like Guthrie Govan fuse technicality with feel and improvisation. Seems like the logical next step: boomer bend math rock synthesis.
Guthrie Govan is the guy who everyone should have been talking about for the last decade but I don't think the industry knew how to promote him. He's definitely a guitar player's guitarist.
Agreed. I think Guthrie Govan is the best player to ever do it. Including players both alive and deceased. Bro has a great taste for melody and vibe but can also shred like an absolute monster. When I first saw his youtube videos about 10-15 years ago when they appeared on RUclips I was absolutely floored. I didn't know anybody could even play like that. He also indirectly introduced me to players like Brett Garsed, Shawn Lane, and Frank Gambale and I was even more floored from there. I couldn't believe that I had been a fan of the guitar for over ten years and didn't know about those guys.
anyone acknowledging the term in my unapologetically *not* humble opinion should first try to bend like hendrix try bending a note like those "boomers" and if you manage it, you're then free to talk shit about it, _if you still think it's worthy of derision_
@@GeorgeTsiros TBH I don't think people are using this term in a derogatory fashion all that much. It's just a descriptive term, I think both Beato and Henson stated in an interview that it's not meant to be a negative thing. Some people find it triggering but it really is just a stupid name that kinda stuck because it is very descriptive.
Saying "And that brings us to the topic of this video" half-way through has the same energy as Marx saying "And now I shall get to the crux of the issue" on page 388.
The crux being "I'm inventing a revolutionary social and economic ideology to undermine the monarch and stage a revolution to seize power for my group. The workers are just tools, whether for Capitalists or Communists. And we will use them as tools."
One of my friends is a modern guitarist and is deep into metalcore. And he always told its about the techincal expression and loving being the center of attention that drives alot of modern guitar playing. I'm not a very technical bass player but thats why I enjoy sludge, doom, and stoner metal. I can play to it and savor the slower tempos and keep simpler, taking a less is more approach.
Nothing really changed, flashy guitar solos, overplaying and not playing with the band have always been a thing. People just tend to follow trends and use them in generic, uninspired ways. I wouldn't blame modern guitar for that just as I won't blame eddie van halen for "inventing" tapping and the barrage of uninspired tapping solos thereafter.
I make drone metal unironically. I find the simple and slow meandering is better for me to express a thought or a feeling. It's like when a writer can use simple language like Terry Pratchett, or can use as many different words as possible like some other writer that isn't Terry Pratchett I guess. Neither are particularly better than the other, because they both serve the same purpose but get their taking a different route. The real problem is when people, either fans or musicians, argue like twats that such and such is better than such and such because of such and such. But I will argue that Frank Black is one of the best composers we have.
@@tziirkq you're absolutely right about feeling and expression. And a big part of that comes from how long a Drone metal track can be. It just takes its time and really emphasizes atmosphere and melancholy. But alot people tend to think music needs to be high energy and exciting. Which make hyper technical playing typically more engaging and need something short and digestible. My guitarist friend also told when he listens to stuff its just stuff he can learn from, so its the same mentality of developing and honing his skill. Me personally taping into the sense of dread that Drone, Doom, and Sludge is a very powerful feeling that music can do that make us appreciate the the bright side even more. So really everyone wants different things in music and music is in reality fairly easy to make which is why their is so much of it and people will make what they want to listen to.
I'm not a guitarist, nor is the example I'm about to use a guitarist, but we are similar enough as bass players for it to make sense. Jaco Pastorius is, in my opinion, the greatest musical mind of the last fifty to sixty years. He plays the fretless electric bass incredibly technically but with more heart and soul then most musicians can muster- on an instrument that was originally thought of as a solely supportive instrument. Portrait of Tracy is by and large my favorite track ever, period. It trumps everything from the most beautiful classical scores to my favorite punk rock tunes. The way that Jaco plays on that track is not only incredibly virtuosic and technical, but heart wrenching, emotional and soulful. Jaco is able to capture so much story and emotion despite having a very technically playing style. The moral of the story, and the idea that Jaco represents so aptly, is that technicality and soul are not dependent upon one another. They are two different stems of musical ideas. I think to be overly involved in either is a great mistake, because it takes both to truly make music. "To play a wrong note is insignificant; to play without passion is inexcusable." - Ludwig van Beethoven
Music does this in cycles. Baroque was called that to be derisive, more emotional music with expression came after as a reaction to overly technical stuff like madrigals or Fugues. Sometimes the results can be a whole new form of expression a master like Beethoven could use to make us all pay attention. Oh, uh, music history nerd here.
Do you know what Beethoven said about J.S.Bach: „Bach, the man who should be named Ocean!“ The name Bach means a small water stream in German. So Beethoven was a real fan of Baroque music.
@@vincentdequiram1102 That's part of the cycle, other classical era composers looked back to Baroque (just not with that label) as well for inspiration, like how disco was largely avoided for a bit but inspired later waves of music styles. I was referring to the attitudes seen slightly after Bach's time and wasn't implying Beethoven would have disliked his music.
Same just not my thing. Never even heard the full goat song. And hey guess what ? That’s okay!!! Someone else would say they prefer what I don’t ! Who cares.
@@milkwalkerjones633 It really isnt when people are listening to songs about materialism, cars, money, ect. This is soulless by definition. Literally all modern rap music, and they are made so unbelievably basic.
Going in cold, I swear it's nice to see grunge & 90s metal aging so well. "Bro, look at my clean funk shred 'song' that sounds like I'm playing a talent show at MI!" >wrinkles nose at 21st century twink Richie Kotzen in disgust >Chugs beer >hits bong >JCM 800 set to kill >hurricane of feedback "I'm not that talented, and don't really care."
"talent show at MI" you nailed it. I think a lot of these modern virtuosos benefit from the Internet making them accessible to a lot of normies. People from musical hubs like Hollywood don't stan out over bands and guitar players in the same way
@@rocketpigrecords3719 Extremely limited compared to the stuff that predated it (in a broader commercial sense), 80s hard rock and metal. Which is where you find the origins of AiC.
@@YBM2007 not really, this is just crap asshurt butt rockers have been saying since 1992. Grunge is a hybrid style based upon a bunch of bands in a scene no one was paying attention to, who did whatever they wanted with their classic rock, folk, country, punk and metal influences. Even hairspray stuff, Alice 'N Chainz displayed on Facelift. Huge difference between the usual suspects, much less getting into fringier stuff like the Melvins that basically created sludge metal. Meanwhile hair bands all had the same bleach blonde closet case singer, wannabe EVH guitarist, bassist who I guess wasn't fat & showed up on time, and a drummer that never did anything Bonham wouldn't do. Same ball less tone, same production style, same power ballads, same spandex. Even Megadeth ended up with boosted 500hz mids and gated reverb all over at least on album, & Dave hated it. If you're talking about Maiden, early Metallica, or even some good ol' Celtic Frost, these were all stuff Cobain listened to regularly. Many old Nirvana photos, you see Grohl wearing a Sepultura ball cap. Over half the bands you want to throw at me, couldn't play a Soundgarden song - because they only ever played in 4/4.
@@ganglestank I know holdsworth, not saying jazz can't be shreddy, but Holdsworth is famous for mixing heavy rock elements into his playing, thats where a lot of his shred comes from.
I think john petrucci is like the culmination of the rock/metal guitarists from the 80s/90s while also pushing technicality and speed to crazy levels, he is the peak of the old guard and the trailblazer for the newer styles.
A remarkable thing about John Petrucci is, how his playing used to sound very technical and shallow during his early years (still awesome though) and developed into this incredible blend of mind-blowing technique and multi-level feel. His playing today sounds so deep and soulful, despite the crazy technique. I think that's very rare.
The thing with modern guitarist is that they would probably show emotion while playing, but things they play are so hard that they need to focus on playing rather than emotion lmao. Its the same with Death, they would probably headbang in their prime but the songs literally needed so much focus to play and sing in the same time. And that was like almost 40 years ago.
It's more than just their stage presence. Albums like Symbolic and The Sound of Perseverance are highly technical, yes, but they still convey emotions and tell stories. Polyphia's music just lacks in the songwriting department so much. It feels almost like a bunch of jam sessions a group of skilled musicians would warm up with before they get to writing their evocative material, only that evocative material never comes.
@@jimmyb4812 not really you can definetly see them having some kind of emotion and "feeling" the instrument. Bunch of times Tim while either performing live or on a video you can see him somewhat of headbanging and moving his head in a wierd way in which he probably shows his emotion. Also on the songwriting department most of modern metal is either Djent, metalcore or prog so basically 90% of modern metal music is about rythm which i think modern metal bands do very well, the other problem is that it somewhat sounds sterile and overproduced.
I'm personally pro-bends, as i am a radiohead fan, and Johnny Greenwood very much uses these familiar yet exaggerated bends in his solos that feel very modern. I think the first guitar solo in paranoid android is the best example.
I think that’s cause their music is so “out there” that the bends almost sound like a stabilizing “grounding” force in an otherwise detached alien landscape
Why can't people just stop trying to put boundaries on art which in my opinion should be mostly boundless. Not directed at anyone specifically but, just shut up and listen to the music you like.
@@SchemingGoldbergThe thing with EVH is not that he didn't want people knowing he was tapping, or using whatever technique. It's that the things he was doing sounded a lot more complex than they really were. So he didn't want people seeing his hands to see exactly how he was making those sounds.
I'm 42 years old and when I heard CAFO by Animals as Leaders for the first time my jaw dropped and I was instantly a fan. And as for the younguns; every generation craps on their parent's music. Give them a decade and many of them will learn to appreciate what came before.
The thing is, Tim doesn't crap on old music. In fact, he loves stuff like Hendrix and plenty of music that uses these so called "boomer bends" lol his tastes are incredibly varied too. From pop, to r&b, to metal, to classical, to Japanese hyperpop and anime stuff. He is very much an open book when it comes to what he likes to listen to and anybody who has actually followed him throughout Polyphia's entire life knows this because each and every Polyphia album sounds entirely different than the last one specifically BECAUSE of how varied the band's musical influences are. Their music may not be for everyone, but there is absolutely no denying the musicality and creativity behind those fellas. People just took one phrase he said out of context and decided to make a big stink about it even several years after the fact he's already explained that he never meant the term as an insult.
@@justsomeguy727 Boomers are massive snowflakes in general, so if you use the word "boomer" in relation to anything in any context, they'll have an absolute shitfit.
I’m a 40 year old “student” of 90s guitar…John Petrucci, Jerry Cantrell, Kirk Hammett and (out of left field, I know…) Brian May were my heroes as a young kid. That type of music will always mean the most to me because it’s what I listened to during my formative years. That’s how EVERYONE is. But I’m thrilled at the state of modern guitar. I want kids to push the boundaries of what’s considered guitar music and get as wild as they want. That’s how the evolution of music goes. Jimi Hendrix was an almost unimaginable “disruptor” during the mid to late 60s. The old timers back then were probably losing their minds when he hit the scene. That’s how you know you’re on the right track. If what you’re doing is righteous but it upsets the older generations, you’re probably on the right track.
I'm 47 and I'm grateful to have seen some of the legendary bands before they passed away. I also appreciate the technical skills of these young players. Maybe not their vocals, but that's just me.
Improvisation is always about understanding the box you're asked to run around free in. Ask them to think completely outside of those boxes like John Fahey or Mary Halvorson and they immediately appear terminally tacky.
Looked this up after seeing this comment. The first video was a tiktok clip of Henson on stage doing improv with Steve Vai and the other Polyphia guitarist, and you can see on Henson's face that he knows he can't match the two guitarists he's sharing the stage with. There are moments early on where Vai just starts playing over Henson because the kid just doesn't have the chops, and later on it seems as if both Vai and LePage are playing over him as a way to help Henson "save face".
1 thing I'm realising as I get older is that these "generational evolutions" are often less evolutions but fads. I remember back in the early 90s and there were MANY bands who the "boomers" would dismiss and we young Gen X'rs would laugh at their lack of musical knowledge. I still love many of those bands I used to listen to (and occasionally still do) but I know full well that their sound is very dated these days. However, the likes of Pink Floyd etc are listened to across generations for a reason. We cannot really judge "the music of today" until it has been around another couple of decades to know whether it was "of its time" or "timeless". I personally think it is that emotion conveyed in the playing of instruments, less the technicality, which really makes some bands transcend generations. I can appreciate the technicality in the moment, but 10 years later I probably won't really remember a highly technical song whereas songs which successfully transmit emotion and personality with themes that are eternally part of the human experience will always find a connexion
This is exactly what I’ve been trying to get this toxic comment section to understand, finally nice to see someone so based. Music was always about feeling, not technicality. I only appreciate technicality if it serves the actual purpose of the story you’re trying to tell- otherwise, it’s just showing off for the sake of it.
To be fair, I also think there can be a ton of fun to see an artist at the top of their game just show off what they're capable of, no matter the artistic medium But yes, the songs that truly stick around are the ones that truly have something to say, and you can only tell if a song, an album or an artist/band really is a classic with the benefit of hindsight
You should wear green face paint, sunglasses, and a wizard hat in your live action segments tbh. Oh, and some of those plastic vampire fangs to really complete the look
I think its not just about younger generations disliking bending but disliking the blues overall. I think bending can still sound fresh but most of the time its heard within the context of guitarists using them in the pentatonic boxes that they love so much, which makes them sound bluesy and old-timey.
The main problem with "modern" American music is that is has lost the feel of the Blues, even dance music is just a glorified click-track. The best notes ARE the "Blue" notes, which are all the ones Tim won't play. He's just a meme. Nothing more.
Comments prove why zoomers are sick of blues based music. It’s just a bunch of shitty seething boomers screeching over how their youth was the absolute supreme peak of all culture and how the rest of time til the sun explodes should live in permanent awe inspired reverence of the holy 60’s & 70’s.
traditional blues not being the predominant style of music isn't a bad thing. Classical had no influence from blues and some of the best music in recorded history came from that (granted modern music isn't all that good in general, but you get my point). It has nothing to do with a blues influence and more so the industry and consumers not being encouraged to go seek different forms of music that they might enjoy.
This video pretty much tells me what’s wrong with every generation of guitarists since the 60s; you all seem to believe that guitar exists in some kind of rock-vacuum and completely ignore the instruments existence in classical, jazz, flamenco, R&B, disco etc. Modern virtuosos look to these fringe-genres and include their styles into modern alternative music, these genres are much more technical than blues rock yet have a ton of emotional depth because playing emotionally is nothing more than controlling dynamics, tempo and pitch. The boomer bends thing is clearly flippant humour, and of course this kid respects Jimi, you can hear a ton of it in his playing. As a musician in their 40s who has enjoyed most popular generations of guitar I believe this blanket conceptualisation of “feel” in music needs to end and we should embrace players who seek to push the medium further.
“Emotion vs technical” is so stupid. As a drummer, I don't see this divide in our culture. There are probably some people who are like “You are doing too much” in response to drummers but they are most likely right. Drummers do stupid shit, but that's just because we like pushing our boundaries of what we can play. The only rules we generally have is 1. Keep time 2. Support the band 3. Sound good. We are forced to learn genres and styles that make us expand our understanding of music and really understand how we matter to the band.
I can't have comfortably numb, purple haze, hotel California, and champagne(a polyphia song) all in one playlist cuz I must conform to internet arguments.
For me, emotions are the most important thing in music, complicated techniques can be phenomenal when they are used FOR emotions, but when we focus on technique for technique's sake, we lose what music has always been about - emotions
I think the argument in this one is a miss because it doesn't interrogate its own assumptions. Before considering which technical or compositional techniques are in some sense inherently "emotional", it's assumed that emotion is inherently conveyed in music. But emotion is interpreted by an audience; even if it's intentionally conveyed by the musician, it may be unpacked very differently upon being heard. We can witness this effect all the time in upbeat, major key songs with dark lyrics, which might be used frequently in social settings for their directly musical qualities while the lyrical qualities are misunderstood or go unacknowledged. So before we can even discuss which techniques are "emotional", which was skipped over in this video, we have to discuss how emotion is expressed and interpreted in music and how those things are commonly misaligned. Which was also skipped over in this video.
Tbh those kind of songs are confusing, what actual emotion is being expressed? The sadness of the lyrics or the happiness of the music? Why are those things together at all, it’s pretty hard to be happy and sad at the same time unless maybe you’re mentally ill, or maybe you’re confused? It just doesn’t make any logical or musical sense to me
@@mattster693 I expect it's a form of dramatic irony, like the musical equivalent of people forcing a smile when they're miserable. Of course, between how common the technique is and how poor audiences are at interpreting it, I see it as a better technique on paper than it is in application.
@@mattster693 I suspect a lot of (pop) songwriters are just too chickenshit to write something in a minor/ weirder key, even if the lyrics are ultra-depressing. Doesn't make money I guess..
Bends are not something to be avoided, it's a form of self expression. It's flair and a way to personalise your playing, there's endless ways to bend a string and allows for your own subtle differences from the next guitarist. A guitar is an inherently imperfect instrument, and in terms of music, imperfection is perfection
Being playing guitar for 20+ years, I can fully appreciate the development. I think Polyphia and ASL bands are pretty awesome, taking the instrument to the next phase (much better than the nu metal era I grew up in, sorry to say). When I first learned guitar, I too were inspired to be a guitar hero, tapping, sweeping, legatos in high gain were all I knew, I want to go faster and shred to the end. In recent decade, as I have less time to practise, and also with better patience and experience (perhaps due to aging), I have start to turn off the distortion, delays, and start to explore more into dynamics and phrasing, trying to make the notes convey feeling. I think its just a phase in life people go thru, I dont think a normal teen could appreciate players like BB King, Albert King, Freddy King.. I didn't, but if they hold on to playing music, Im sure they will learn to appreciate it eventually (unless they're Yngwie Malmsteen)...
If we forget a moment about the cultural and historic value of classic rock/blues etc, there is a significant difference that is often overlooked. Music nowadays tends to be made in a more mechanical and refined way, expecially thanks to computers and easy access to music recording. I prefer the older way of actually playing music on the record, instead of many parts that end up becoming a song when out togheter. Even in the old days they used the studio to modify and push some aspects to create the best product, but it was more natural and groovy. Nowadays (expecially with rock/metal music) there is a focus on "attack" of the notes, a more staccato feel, that has no swing to it. And it's not about speed either, it's simply the feel and vibe musicians put into it. I respect so much guys like Polyphia, Animals as leaders etc but when i listen to early Santana records i go into a trance. The way the distorted guitar adds melody and so many harmonic nuances is insane to me. It's also something that is evident when the music is played live; i would rather listen a slow guitar player who has full control of his bends and the feedback of the amp, rather than a virtuoso shredder who plays with tons of distorsion and noisegate, without providing any emotional depth to what he plays. Again, this is not a diss to modern musicians, just my two cents on something i am recently discovering about the way i listen and appreciate music. IMO these modern virtuoso players are pushing the envelope and evolving the music, but they are more of technicians of their art rather than artists that will be the soundtrack of this generations of musicians, artists in a more "traditional" way, if that makes any sense lol. P.S. i wrote this before i watched the video hope i won't sound stupid
55 here, love Polyphia! I think Tim is referring more to the Freebird lick more than referring to actual bending. Anyways, I think learning a Polyphia song or 2 could do anyone some good. Loads of technique, chord inversions, chord melody, voice leading and hooks for days. Not to mention their licks are so unique and quirky.
Did you even watch the video? The point is that jerking yourself off over music theory and hyper focussed technique is devoid of soul and leads you to make boring forgettable music.
"Boomers" and Gen-Z share one thing in common, parts of each generation are incredibly easy to offend. You can make a 40+ year old man spin out over the smallest things all the while they call young people sensitive.
40 + year old man? Get your math straight. Gen x started 60 years ago lmao. Baby boomers are 60 years old at their youngest. The generation you’re thinking of is Gen x which is what my parents are as a person of the very youngest millennial generation. Zoomers and Generation X have so much in common, and the millennials are the truly forgotten generation. No one listens or cares about us, zoomers are annoying, gen x are annoying, and boomers are complete dinosaurs by now
@@sentientdogma1206 Hey pal, notice how I put "Boomers" in quotation marks? That is because young people commonly use to it to refer to anyone over the age of 30 and/or those who are out of touch. It has become a modern way to call someone a fogey. I understand that the actual Baby Boomer generation is geriatric. I do not appreciate you condescendingly trying to correct me.
Boomers are in their 60s and 70s. LOL! Gen X is 40s and made great music. 90s were the "Golden Age" of almost every genre from Rap to Metal to Pop and even some of the Boomers were still going strong. Now, we have AI Nintendo knock offs. Hooray, we suck!
@@danielflanard8274 Then use a term correctly. That's why we have them. You twinks really do ree-out easily. LOL! Go get your troon juice and calm down. LOL!
We need all of it, honestly. From “boomer bends” to robot shredding. One thing can not be debated. The 60s-90s had superior style to late 90s-2020s. From Jimi setting his guitar on fire, to Blackmore shredding then breaking his guitar into a camera, to Dave Murray combining technique and emotion, and Jens Ludwig of Edguy bring unique tone in with his melodic solos. The 60s to 90s just had the best stuff. But the newer stuff is much needed for innovation.
Right, it's like anti-intellectualism but for music. Aka the people the mock others for using words that are "too big" even though those words have a reason for existing.
While in theory that would make sense, but in practice it just doesn’t seem to work that way, even certain music I like I can realize that because the playing is so fast and technical there is little time to add the emotion unless that emotion needs it to be that way to be fully realized, Tbh very few emotions can be expressed with virtuosic technicality, while restricting your playing and playing slower can yield more interesting sounds and much different emotions, the space in between is just as important as the notes played
I swear, most people hear one 16th note run and decide it's soulless music made by a robot. Music is like, the only discipline where working extremely hard every day to learn as much about it as possible is viewed as unpassionate
As a player, my philosophy has always been to have fun, playing whatever style is fun for you to play As a listener 30 yrs old, i grew up listening to my moms 70s music and its what i like and what i play because i like the sound That being said i also like metal and play heavy and fast when i feel like it Theory and technique are tools to get you where you want to go, not the be all end all There is an audience for henson and he enjoys playing that style so more power to the djent brothers There is an audience for the 70s and 90s mysic which i believe will turn out somewhat timeless as i will definitely have it playing for my kids so i think the audience will hold for a while and there are many of us who love to play it
the sheer amount of memes this man has stored in his computer should be used as a preservation storage lmao btw, banger of a video. The quality of the scripts and presentation have been noticeably increasing through the latest uploads. Cool guy Coolea :)
Imo the best music that emotionally resonates with the listener. It could be from any genre or era. I know if I hear something that is technically impressive, but feels soulless I'm more likely to dismiss it as wankery.
My favorite Guitar player today is Derek Trucks, slide player that uses his guitar like a voice . He is melodic and musical and his technique is superb and inspiring..He literally is singing with it. Those boomer bends can be hard to perfect, the way it's done is important . Bending to a note and milking it sweetly with vibrato up to the perfect pitch in the groove of the song isn't easy to most modern technical players, it is all feeling and emotion. I can understand why it's derided by most of them because they can't make it sing musically like those old boomers did. You can practice it but if aren't feeling it and it isn't your bag, you probably never will.
Double dip: something to remember with "boomer bends" is that they sound amazing when high on lsd. I mean, that one note sustained had the secrets of the universe visually pulsing through your consciousness. I had one older guy I know flip out when he heard Tim Henson play because he said, and I quote: "That sounds exactly like what my stupid old ass has been hearing for 60 years now but he's actually playing it!" He died later that day from depression and really for just "not having any use on this planet anymore"- his words. I, personally, think he was a wonderful person and that boomers really are a very thoughtful, balanced and frankly generous generation of people overall.
youtubers mispronounce words so people like you can leave comments. too bad this channel creator seems to be a plant/youtube corporate favorite. grey mushy and inoffensive content to scatter ads into.
I found that bands like Radiohead, Porcupine Tree, Opeth, and Plini can give me a mix of complexity and emotional relevance that I enjoy at this point. Allan Holdsworth and Kurt Rosenwinkel are also guitarists who can still get a reaction out of me through their respective complexity, but I also love what Hendrix was able to get across with just one note in Machine Gun.
Bends, trills, and vibratos are essential skills that all guitarists should use. An artist can choose to use them or not depending on the emotion or whatever they are trying to express.
I feel like music like Tim Henson and his contemporaries play is more “music for musicians” and theirs noting wrong with that. It’s not my cup of tea but I can appreciate the skill and work that goes into it.
I’m a musician nor particularly good or anything but i dont really like polyphia. It just is too much for me and it’s muddy in my opinion. I always say that the main goal of all the instruments is to serve the song but polyphia is just so emotionless and way too over produced. It is over complicated to the point that the song is no longer being served instead you are just complicating riffs and melodies Because you can not because it fits
@@kevinsmoon3257 I'm not a musician but I dabble a little bit in the instrument and quite frankly I personally don't have problem with their music anymore. It's wasn't easy for me to understand the melodies/songs nor was it easy for me to find "emotion" in them at first, I still kinda like them even if I didn't get it, at first. Well, not all but most of the songs. But with time I started to understand it, melodically and "emotionally" and started loving it and so imo, they still follow the rules of the instruments serving the music. As for production, yeah, it's inspired by pop music, it's bound to have extremely high production. I mean these guys work with rappers and pop stars most of the time. All-in-all Polyphia is very niched music, it's divisive; not everyone is going to vibe with them and there's nothing wrong with that, human tastes is quite subjective and is inspired by the experiences we went through and that includes music. But as someone that does vibe with it, I have to say, it has been my favourite over the years.
@@solivoritor and that’s completely fine my friend. It just is something to me that i dont think i can really get into. Don’t get me wrong i understand the complexity of their music but it just isnt my thing
The earliest surviving stringed instruments to date are the Lyres of Ur, plucked chordophones, which currently exist in fragments that date back to 4,500 years ago. The first bowed chordophones were probably developed in central Asia and were the forerunners of an Indian folk instrument known as the ravanastron. Sumer, 26th C. BCE. The Schøyen Collection, Oslo. Instruments of ancient Mesopotamia include harps, lyres, lutes, reed pipes, and drums.
Great video, I'd love to hear you talk more about the topic of technicality and musicality. I feel like the fact that music existed for so long before notation is lost on many people, even musicians
It's important to distinguish between a juggler and an artist. The general function of art is to inspire awe. If an artist can produce that awe with barely passable technique, then that artist may be a genius.
You have a guitar, why wouldn't you use bends??? Like, no many instruments have that possibility. Also, I have heard many Henson songs and while they sound cool, i don't remember a single melody. I can sing any David Gilmour solo full of boomer bends
I mean, you're comparing solos and riffs. This is like saying "well I can't sing a single Bonham drum part". I don't even listen to Polyphia, but the guitar is clearly somewhat percussive.
for me personally, bending doesn't feel right under my fingers, I prefer slides. On the matter of David Gilmour bends, it's not the bends themselves that people like, it's the melody and the phrasing. You can be just as good as Gilmour at bending the notes with feel but if you hit the bad sounding notes, it doesn't matter
As an avid Polyphia listener, they have very easily singable melodies, and if you cant remember them you probably just havent listened to them enough. I literally have a video from when I saw them live where they partially played the beginning riff of one of their songs, and when they stopped the crowd sang the rest of the riff, and then they dropped into playing the full song. Amazing crowd work and proof that they have singable melodies if you know them.
@@dylanphelan3010 I think you're just lowkey butthurt that you can't bend. I absolutely listen to Gilmour because he's a master of it. Don't speak for everyone just cause you can't bend lol. Also, "for me personally" is redundant.
That's a recency bias, you remember Gilmour songs more because you probably have been listening him your entire life. For if you listen to Polyphia everyday for years you will be pretty capable remember and hum all Polyphia songs.
I understand your criticisms of overly complicated music, but I feel deeply moved by polyphias music. Could be personal prefrence, but if you listen to him talk, his objective has not been to just make circle jerk prog muisc, but to push and expand music into a new and unknown territory.
This right here. I can't stand the "there's no feel" people. Uh no. There's no feel to YOU. I don't "feel" anything to some boring blues riffs. That doesn't mean there isn't any "feeeeeel" in the song. But other gay ass guitarists refuse to acknowledge this
Classical guitar connects somewhat these generations by its playing style from a technical perspective. Guitar playing has more depth than seen in mere chronological order of pop-cult guitarists only.
Absolutely. It always blows my mind when people criticize guitarists like Ichika Nito for being mindless note vomit, when it's clearly extremely influenced by classical style which has been around forever.
I've been playing the guitar for close to 30 years. Grew up in the '90s but my dad listened to '70s rock all the time. I have no problem with Tim. However, I listen to all different types of music and I honestly can say I really don't enjoy what he does. Having said that, newer guitar players like Kingfish Ingram are amazing to me. I listen to him frequently and have went to see him live. Regarding guitar playing in general, I firmly believe that when you get overcomplicated, people's ears can't keep up and you lose them. While Tim is an excellent guitar player, I think that's one of the reasons why people from my era don't pay much attention to him. I am not a boomer. I am a '90s kid. However, I can understand why boomers would get upset about his comment. That was a timing music where we got some of the best albums in history. You got to be careful with your words when talking about the '70s. That truly was a great time for the guitar.
I feel like some people can come off as feeling "superior" in a way, because the music they listen to was birthed from a certain political or cultural agenda. It's as if people who want to make music just for the sake of making music are automaticaly considered "soulless" or lacking of emotion. People listen to music in different ways, and something that may appear to be regurgitated diarrhea to one person, may hit some deep rooted emotional strings in other people.
Yep. Part of the issue is that "feel" can be interpreted through other avenues besides the traditional bends and vibrato. Looking through the music with that lens, of course new technical guitar playing sounds empty and soulless.
Well, making music with no message, no conviction, and no connection to the craft is kind of definitionally soulless, so yeah. Tim Henson is a talented guitarist and a crappy songwriter. It’s not hard to understand.
This the first video i've seen with coolea's actual face and for about 5 seconds i was trying to understand that it wasn't a sped up footage of someone rambling. This channel dissociates me from reality and i like it
It's just 2 very different ways of playing, there's nothing wrong with enjoying either, or both. I listen to 60s, 70s, and 80s rock and all that, but I still respect the level of talent and effort that is put into the crazy stuff now.
I love the music of Polyphia. As guitarists, we express ourselves in many different ways. Whether it is through technicality, raw emotion, effects layering, string attack or utilizing pedals, it is all just different ways to express ourselves and convey it the best we can in our art.
The best kind of complicated, technical music, is the kind that sounds deceptively simple, or that still manages to convey an emotion through an actual song. Virtuosity for virtuosity’s sake is not art, it’s sports.
@@MrKingkz I'm a fan of both in some ways, although i totally agree, Vai is like a teacher showing his students techniques that only they care about, Cobain plays timeless music from the soul. Technically Vai is a better guitarist, but that means nothing when we're talking about music. Tim Henson is another virtuoso thats very good and plays good technically, but i would never sit and listen to a Polyphia album.
Agreed, but Polyphia is far from virtuosity for virtuosities sake. They compose a lot of banger melodies within all the technique. People act like their songs are just technical vomit and spamming sweep scales, when Ive never heard a song theyve made that lacks a hook and melody. I literally have a video of them live where they stop playing mid-riff and the crowd sings back their guitar parts to them.
I wonder where does 80's noise rock falls in this silly discussion because I'm pretty sure both the hard rock/prog turbonerds and djent and metalcore degenerates would get flabbergasted at prepared guitars and how Sonic Youth and Big Black played their guitars.
Best part being born in the 90’s in this regard is enjoying the music left behind by artist and seeing new music unfold, to which it could be considered alien back then as you mentioned earlier. 🤘🏾
Boomer bends ❌
Guitar virtuoso ❌
Caveman riffs ✅
Slam 🔝
unga bunga growls ✅✅✅
what about caveman riffs with boomer bends, like electric wizard
Paleorock
Yes.
anyone who thinks that overly complicated shreddy guitar music is a new thing should check out old classical guitar pieces.
Flamenco is even shreddier.
If anybody likes classical guitar shredding, I'de suggest looking up Kazuhito Yamashita's transcription of Pictures at an Exhibition - Mussorgsky
The first page of “Capricho Arabe” by Francisco Terrega comes to mind. Long runs of 16th and 32nd notes that sounds like something Satriani would’ve played if he were alive in the 19th century 😂
@@Chiller11 That is precisely what came to my mind when I started listening to their stuff. 20 seconds into listening to "Playing God" my brain immediately went 'this is electric Flamenco'.
Listen to Sabicas' "Carcelera: Reflejo Andaluz". You may have heard it before if you play Counter-Strike.
My personal take is I don't care how fast or slow or technical or simple a guitarist plays. If I can feel it, that's all that matters.
Exactly!
What if you got the feelings of diarhea ?
Its just a joke .
@@Snyperwolf91 When a guitarist discovers the brown note. 😆
Well said
You also need to keep in mind that music, it's also an acquired taste. You learn to like things and some things are easier to like than others.
That's why pop music appeals to more people, not because it has 'more soul/feel'
Fun fact when Music is Win had Tim on, Tim stated Hendrix is one of his favorites. And I think there is something to that. Hendrix was a massiv innovator at his time, especially when it came to effect usage and articulation. Tim does similar things but in a different direction.
I can't get around the fuzz nor Hendrix's singing to get through one song. He was an entertainer, that's it. Carlos Santana on the other hand to keep it American in the mid to late 60s, was either on par or better in my opinion. He has more feel and is more technical without any dirty pedals. I can say that Eddie is better because he was full natural in his guitar sound/tone. Santana and Eddie knew that lead singing were not for them.
@@lakerfan2874 LMAO awful opinion. Also Carlos Santana isn't even American, he was born in Mexico, grew up in Mexico, didn't even come to the US until he was already performing professionally.
Also explain how Santana was "more technical". I mean be specific. I'm a guitar teacher, and Hendrix's parts are generally much more complex than the average Santana part, and I like Carlos a lot.
Also Carlos, while having a pretty simple signal chain, has used "dirty pedals" (can't believe you unironically said this). I'm looking at a picture of one of his pedalboards from his 2014 tour and he has a wah, a big muff, a delay, and a compressor on it. And I know for a fact he's used tube screamers in the past as well.
Leave it to the Lakers fan to not know what he's talking about... 😂
@@gdawgs101 Leave it to a boring guitar teacher to go word for word into bars and chords, but probably won't listen to much music unless it's classical and probably folk or pop. Mexico is an American country a part of the North American continent, so I'm still right about Santana being an American, just not what you think when you're looking at the country of the US. I'd rather have raw feel and emotion more than the artificial fuzz sound. I love the wah-wah pedal because it gives the guitar an effect while keeping the sound as it was being played normally. The fuzz pedal just makes it darker and probably most of the times muddy. I believe thr fuzz pedal is better on the bass than the lead or rhythm guitar. You're a teacher making a production, I'm just a listener and like what I like. It's more preference than an opinion. In my opinion, you're just pissed because I see Hendrix as just an entertainer more than a guitar god. If you give Hendrix DLR's vocals then maybe I'll give it to him, but for me, if he's the frontman, he better be like Chuck Berry more than he is a singing Santana or go the Joe Satriani route and hire a freaking singer and do tons of instrumentals to showcase the skill and talent. Singers today can't play guitar and some guitarists don't sing to get by. Just because you go note by note and think the fuzz pedal is better than the damn regular tone and sound of the guitar doesn't mean I'm going to change my mind on him. I played Guitar Hero World Tour and the two songs that are on there, I played and I couldn't get into a groove. Hell, Somewhere Along the Watchtower has a good intro because it's a basic acoustic intro, but as a singer I give Bob Dylan the respect that he needs. You can be the best guitarist, but you might as well hire a singer and do what you do best, which is what Santana does. Not everyone's gonna be into Hendrix like not everyone's into the Beatles, Tom Petty, or Metallica, which is fine by me. Hell, I'd say Petty's a better singer than Hendrix and you'd just be fine because you're just a guitar teacher. Plus, teachers indoctrinate their pupils to be just like them, so if I was one of your students, don't think I'm gonna listen and like it. I never liked Van Halen, The Doors, ACDC, Led Zeppelin except for Stairway to Heaven, or even Tom Petty as a kid/teen, but I do now. I won't even listen to Polyphia because it doesn't rock like the 5 above do. A very skilled guitarist should stay in their lane and be a very skilled guitarist. Nobody thinks of Steven Tyler for his harmonica skills nor do people think about Hendrix for his singing, they typically skip to the parts that have the riffs and solos. I had a change of heart on Bruce Springsteen being too depressing, he's not at all. If Hendrix lived over 27, he wouldn't be thought about as much as he does today like Cobain, Winehouse and Joplin. Hell, if you're a guitar teacher, you might hate Nirvana for their raunchy, unprofessional, and untechnical riffs, bridges, and solos. For good riffs, I think about Steppenwolf's Born to be Wild, George Harrison's Wah-Wah, Metallica's Inamorata and Halo on Fire to name a few songs, Megadeth's Holy Wars and Symphony of Destruction, ACDC's Thunderstruck, Deep Purple's Highway Star and Smoke on the Water, Tom Petty's American Girl, Fault Lines, and You Wreck Me to name a few again. I also think about a lot more than Hendrix, again I don't listen to Hendrix and the impressions from those 2 songs on Guitar Hero World Tour is something to consider why. I didn't like Jim Morrison's vocals, but I found a liking to them like I do with Bon Scott's and Brian Johnson's. All I know is that Hendrix is only known for a couple of songs/riffs like Purple Haze. I don't see a huge issue liking someone better than someone else. Plus, with the Lakers fan thing, you're just a typical Hendrix loving guitar teacher ready and eager enough to show your students the "unique" techniques he used as if no one has put them in their repertoire.
@ItsMeBarnaby Once more, Carlos Santana is a naturalized US citizen, so he does count as an American. At the time, there was no great guitarist in the US besides Hendrix and Santana. Plus, moving the goal post is something odd since a lot of people do call others as Americans. If we call Europeans, Europeans in general, why can't we in North and South America? It's like calling someone from Italy a European and a Lebanese a Middle Eastern even though their in the continent of Asia. So where's the middle ground for it. If we're going on region, then Mexico would just be a region of North America as it doesn't stretch the whole of Central America. There are 2 American continents and 3 American regions with America in the name, which are North, Central, and South America. In the US alone, we have multiple regions, which could be countries if there's ways for that to happen, like New England, Atlantic, Southeast, Central/Midwest, Southwest, and Pacific. Classifying someone as something is where everything is culturized. Calling me a nerd for geography lessons isn't something you should be doing since most Americans care less for geography and more into fashion, parties, and looks. I'd rather be knowledgeable than looking pretty because that's what society and culture desire most. Again, Santana has been a naturalized US citizen since 1965. Ethnicity and location of birth shouldn't hurt an argument about US guitar players of the 60s as there were barely any great players at that time. Hell, I'd add Johnny Cash for how he used his acoustic guitar as a percussion instrument by putting a playing card in between some strings.
@ItsMeBarnaby I don't call Mexicans Americans. The issue here is nationality. I mean, if I said Clapton was better during the 60s, then it'd be an uproar. I could have also stated that George Harrison was better. I'm only talking about in America in the 60s, not around the world. If we were talking around the world in the 60s, then we'd be talking about Clapton, Page, Gilmour, Harrison, McCartney, Lennon, Richards, and so on. I don't see the guitarist for Steppenwolf at that time period on the level of a supposed Hendrix. I'd even go on the whim that around that time, Chuck Berry had a say about being one of the best guitarists in the 60s, even if he was more well known in the 50s. American music was mostly bubblegum, pop, surfer, and so on. It became rock and roll in the mid to late 60s thanks to Vietnam. Hell, if we're talking American, I could bring up John Fogerty being better than Hendrix because his vocals were better than Hendrix's were. I'm only talking about the 60s because he was well known in the 60s and is only well known now because of his death. I don't think he would've survived in the late 70s and beyond because that's when American guitar mastering was well into that with Satriani, Hammett, Van Halen, Mick Mars, Slash, Ace Frehley, and so on. Could you name a riff from any other song besides Purple Haze? This is what I'm getting at. Everyone goes into Purple Haze and ends it there. I could go heavily into Harrison's career and get them, with Clapton and the others too. I may listen to them more, but there's a lot more memorable riffs from a huge variety. Even if Hendrix died at 27, he must have more than one song that has a memorable riff like Purple Haze, right? Memorable riff means when it plays, anyone can tell which song it is right off the bat. Once again, could we bring in Robert Johnson into the argument, or is he too primitive? Could we bring in some Blues musicians like BB King into the fray, or is it a different genre? Again, I'm looking at rock and roll guitarists from the 60s. It baffles me to think that you would believe that I don't know anything about rock and roll music. Hell, I could even bring up Dick Dale, or is Misirlou too basic for your taste? Again, I'm just talking about the US in the 60s, nothing from the 50s since rock and roll was still in its infantile phase, and it was not too fond of at the time. Rock and roll at that time was mainly Rockabilly because that's what people liked. Rock and roll became rock and roll after the Beatles came to the US in the 60s, and after the intervention with the Vietnamese War 10 years in. I bet you'd hate it if I stated that Synyster Gates or Kirk Hammett is better than Hendrix, but then again, guitar playing has gotten a lot more about shredding, harmonics, and djenting more than literal playing with some fundamental skills like sliding and bending. I have a boat load of music to listen to, so if Hendrix isn't in my physical CD library, then I would be ok. It's what Charlie says to Steven Tyler on Two and a Half Men that is true about Hendrix. "They come for your singing. They tolerate the harmonica." Which was Charlie's line. "They come for the guitar and spectacle. They tolerate the singing," is what would have been said to Hendrix. When people talk about Hendrix, they talk about the guitar playing skills and his death. They never talk about his music. Barely anyone did back then because everyone was high off of something. It's the same with me and Dark Side of the Moon, I don't get why it's a huge deal of an album besides two songs I like (Time and Money), but then again, in 1973, people were high off of something also. Sometimes, you need something to even make any sense of it all. I also forgot one guitarist who should be argued to be one of the best in the 60s, and that is Tony Iommi. Doing what he did then and what he's doing now with Ozzy's 2022 album with only 8 full fingers has been a listening champion. Once more, anyone I pull out besides the well known would have been put to shambles like Barry Gibb as he's a guitarist just like anybody else I named, but the levels isn't that far out because he's what people call a Rhythm Guitarist. We're talking about lead guitarists. I'd probably claim Mike Campbell from The Heartbreakers and Mudcrutch to be one of the best songwriters and musicians. I don't imply on trashing Hendrix as again, I don't care for him. I just don't understand the hype and idolatry with his name besides one song and his death.
Even Tim Henson himself said he loves Boomer bends. He just named it that because the boomer generation invented that style of bend. Nothing backhanded about it. Boomer bends rock
He even said it’s also just because the alliteration
That's still objectively untrue.
exactly it was just to describe a generation in music , it was the boomers themselves that took it as an insult lol
@@KirkVz It's not like he was salty people with any modicum of musical taste criticised his music, of course...
And criticising older people for being older is karma in the making, unless you're going to join the 27 Club :P
Yeah i went to his RUclips channel to listen to some of his playing and the first few videos i watched he's using bends.
Something I think a lot of people get wrong is that music theory is not ''this is good and you shouldn't do anything else'' is a ''these things sound good and many people have been using them for a long time. Now, do whatever you want and use me as a tool''
Exactly why I hate classical music nerds
@@IdkwhoIam8218 Why?
@@Rukiman_no16 the music theory crap
I think you missed his point entirely. Theory is a tool to help you achieve what you're trying to say. A vocabulary to help you pick the right words to construct a coherent sentence rather than just speaking from the heart and tripping over your words until you get it right @IdkwhoIam8218
@@bottlemanic I’m talking about the people who act like music theory is the most important thing in a song and without it the song is bad (Ben Shapiro)
Bro really put the entire history of music at the start
Coolea might not be sure how old boomers are exactly so he covered all the bases
Coolea has been on a fuckin rip lately with these uploads 😎
I dunno, zero mention of the entire jazz movement, whcih arguably went through the exact same technicality arc that inevitably led to it falling out of favour. bebop legends like charlie parker and john coltrane were arguably the tosin abasis of the jazz world, and I think that both art forms led to an alienation of the audience, which results in a generation rebelling against the technical mastery and going back to the fundamentals.
He missed a lot..
Comment without using the word "bro." Be original
Zoomer here to say Boomer bends fucking rock. They overused that technique so much because it kicks ass.
in 40 years we'll have joomers saying we should stop tapping and will be reinventing the Gilmour bend
@@losfogo7149 pretty much yeah, but it'll be sooner than that. Gotta make up for Moore's Law and all, and also we're just progressing faster with communication developments. I predict that the Gilmour Bend will actually be recreated on an instrument other than the guitar which will reinvigorate the interest in bends and glissando.
@@theCGIANIMA Gilmour Plugin on Ableton that turns the MIDI input into a two times longer pink Floyd solo
@@losfogo7149 Also, it sings "I'm better than you and you know it" as it solos unless you pass the social credit check at the paygate on the plugin itself.
Facts. I use them SOMETIMES...it's like a spice you have to use carefully when doing a solo 'soup'.
Pedicures are for toes.
Manicures are for fingers.
cds?
@@coolea You had mentioned, "...his pedicured fingers..." when you mentioned Tim in the beginning.
Sorry to be so nerdy. 🙂
Ok, Timmy has manicured fingers
tim henson never said boomer bends as a derogative thing, he just called it that because the technique was popular with that generation and because of the alliteration, tim henson actually likes boomer bends
Yeah, I actually dislike how many people like the one on this video, intentionally misinterpret what Hensen said to create views, drama and outrage. And then say things like "oh well it is all subjective and I am not trying to" When, Hensen himself has been clear on what he meant.
Tell that to Tim Henson fans. Lol
Yeah, it sounds like someone just heard that term, got offended by it and ran with it. As much as I think calling bends "boomer bends" is dumb as well, it's not a big deal.
You cant use a word with a negative connotation and expect people to not take it negatively. The word "Boomer" has been used for years now as a mocking term for older people/styling/beliefs. Of course people are gonna hear "Boomer bends" and think its a mocking critique of bending as a whole made by an artist who's trying to "innovate".
like always, most people didn't mind any of it, the "backlash" was just from a few butthurts that exist in any generation or social group
I wouldn’t know anything about Tim Henson if it wasn’t for the Internet continuously talking about him
bcuz he’s that good if you enjoy progressive music. He’s not everyones cup o’ tea tho
He created the Muppets, that's all I know.
@@buckodonnghaile4309
This comment won the internet for the day. I tip my cap to you
@@buckodonnghaile4309 he's the host of Distorted View Daily.
@@poindextertunes
The noise he produces is called progressive music?
Guess I'm going to call my dumps progressive digestion from now on.
"The pipeline from Robert Johnson to Young Thug"
I have nothing I just love this
YT is facing RICO charges and is currently awaiting sentencing. Robert Johnson actually played guitar
@@junny3000 im just saying pointing out history like that was hilarous. billion times more respect to Robert Johnson than to any rich wannabe thug
@@randomguyontheinternet7940Young Thug isn't a wannabe lol. Literally a gang leader.
@@THICCTHICCTHICC Wow, that makes him so much more respectable lmao
The welfare state really destroyed that culture, sadly.
The Stratocaster wasn’t released until the 50’s. Pedals had nothing to do with main stream rock music until the 60s. All trivial corrections, the video still properly conveys your point.
and even in the 60s it was just volume pedals and wah wahs
It all started with a broken recording mixing console, then that sound, was converted and engineered into a pedal, the Maestro Fuzz tone FZ1. Initially the pedal was advertised as being able to simulate wood wind and brass instruments when plugged into string instruments; because it was so expensive it was never really advertised to the average enthusiast or amateur musician. The Rolling Stones used an FZ1 to record satisfaction, because they couldn’t afford a horns section. The FZ1 enabled them to use the guitar to fill the sonic void that normally would be filled by a brass section.
@@junny3000 Fuzz son Fuzz.
Hit with satisfaction by the stones
Used by Hendrix
Used be the Beatles
A mainstay of the whole 60s Psychedelic scene
ruclips.net/video/Tfpn3wHoNGA/видео.html
@@junny3000I believe there was phasing and flanging pedals.
pretty sure in the 50's mfs would cut up their amps to get distortion, absolutely didn't use pedals back then
And then there's this gray area where you have the best of both worlds. Players like Chet Atkins, Jerry Reed, etc can get quite technical but there's so much emotion in their playing, it's beautiful
Don’t forget Django Reinhardt!
Clapton used to talk about how the best guitarists use their talents to make good songs, not use the songs to showcase their talents.
Difference between him and someone like Yngwie.
I like how guitarists like Guthrie Govan fuse technicality with feel and improvisation. Seems like the logical next step: boomer bend math rock synthesis.
Polvo was doing boomer bend math rock synthesis in the 90s and they fuckin rule
Guthrie Govan is the guy who everyone should have been talking about for the last decade but I don't think the industry knew how to promote him. He's definitely a guitar player's guitarist.
Agreed. I think Guthrie Govan is the best player to ever do it. Including players both alive and deceased. Bro has a great taste for melody and vibe but can also shred like an absolute monster. When I first saw his youtube videos about 10-15 years ago when they appeared on RUclips I was absolutely floored. I didn't know anybody could even play like that.
He also indirectly introduced me to players like Brett Garsed, Shawn Lane, and Frank Gambale and I was even more floored from there. I couldn't believe that I had been a fan of the guitar for over ten years and didn't know about those guys.
@@meinbherpieg4723Everyone was talking about him 10 years ago, but you were probably listening to Imagine Dragons 🤡
Beato should get 3-5 years for popularizing the term "Boomer bends"
0-3-5
Boomer chill.
Close minded statement
anyone acknowledging the term
in my unapologetically *not* humble opinion
should first try to bend like hendrix
try bending a note like those "boomers" and if you manage it, you're then free to talk shit about it, _if you still think it's worthy of derision_
@@GeorgeTsiros TBH I don't think people are using this term in a derogatory fashion all that much.
It's just a descriptive term, I think both Beato and Henson stated in an interview that it's not meant to be a negative thing. Some people find it triggering but it really is just a stupid name that kinda stuck because it is very descriptive.
Saying "And that brings us to the topic of this video" half-way through has the same energy as Marx saying "And now I shall get to the crux of the issue" on page 388.
Comrade?
The crux of the issue: "How the fuck do you spell 'booj-wa-zee'?"
@@BababooeyGooeyborjwaze
The crux being "I'm inventing a revolutionary social and economic ideology to undermine the monarch and stage a revolution to seize power for my group. The workers are just tools, whether for Capitalists or Communists. And we will use them as tools."
lel commie
One of my friends is a modern guitarist and is deep into metalcore. And he always told its about the techincal expression and loving being the center of attention that drives alot of modern guitar playing. I'm not a very technical bass player but thats why I enjoy sludge, doom, and stoner metal. I can play to it and savor the slower tempos and keep simpler, taking a less is more approach.
Nothing really changed, flashy guitar solos, overplaying and not playing with the band have always been a thing. People just tend to follow trends and use them in generic, uninspired ways. I wouldn't blame modern guitar for that just as I won't blame eddie van halen for "inventing" tapping and the barrage of uninspired tapping solos thereafter.
@@canti7951 exactly its just a style someone start and others wanted to replicate. Thats the nature of music.
I make drone metal unironically. I find the simple and slow meandering is better for me to express a thought or a feeling. It's like when a writer can use simple language like Terry Pratchett, or can use as many different words as possible like some other writer that isn't Terry Pratchett I guess. Neither are particularly better than the other, because they both serve the same purpose but get their taking a different route. The real problem is when people, either fans or musicians, argue like twats that such and such is better than such and such because of such and such. But I will argue that Frank Black is one of the best composers we have.
@@tziirkq you're absolutely right about feeling and expression. And a big part of that comes from how long a Drone metal track can be. It just takes its time and really emphasizes atmosphere and melancholy. But alot people tend to think music needs to be high energy and exciting. Which make hyper technical playing typically more engaging and need something short and digestible. My guitarist friend also told when he listens to stuff its just stuff he can learn from, so its the same mentality of developing and honing his skill. Me personally taping into the sense of dread that Drone, Doom, and Sludge is a very powerful feeling that music can do that make us appreciate the the bright side even more. So really everyone wants different things in music and music is in reality fairly easy to make which is why their is so much of it and people will make what they want to listen to.
And yeah, sometimes less is more.
I'm not a guitarist, nor is the example I'm about to use a guitarist, but we are similar enough as bass players for it to make sense.
Jaco Pastorius is, in my opinion, the greatest musical mind of the last fifty to sixty years. He plays the fretless electric bass incredibly technically but with more heart and soul then most musicians can muster- on an instrument that was originally thought of as a solely supportive instrument.
Portrait of Tracy is by and large my favorite track ever, period. It trumps everything from the most beautiful classical scores to my favorite punk rock tunes. The way that Jaco plays on that track is not only incredibly virtuosic and technical, but heart wrenching, emotional and soulful. Jaco is able to capture so much story and emotion despite having a very technically playing style.
The moral of the story, and the idea that Jaco represents so aptly, is that technicality and soul are not dependent upon one another. They are two different stems of musical ideas. I think to be overly involved in either is a great mistake, because it takes both to truly make music.
"To play a wrong note is insignificant; to play without passion is inexcusable." - Ludwig van Beethoven
Music does this in cycles. Baroque was called that to be derisive, more emotional music with expression came after as a reaction to overly technical stuff like madrigals or Fugues. Sometimes the results can be a whole new form of expression a master like Beethoven could use to make us all pay attention. Oh, uh, music history nerd here.
Do you know what Beethoven said about J.S.Bach: „Bach, the man who should be named Ocean!“ The name Bach means a small water stream in German. So Beethoven was a real fan of Baroque music.
@@vincentdequiram1102 That's part of the cycle, other classical era composers looked back to Baroque (just not with that label) as well for inspiration, like how disco was largely avoided for a bit but inspired later waves of music styles. I was referring to the attitudes seen slightly after Bach's time and wasn't implying Beethoven would have disliked his music.
all the best music was already written by men in wigs. give me a modern piece that offers divine substance as Fantasia in G, BWV 572: Gravement
I took a music history class and I'm very interested to see the evolution of guitar music in this era.
Correct. Music has been "over" for hundreds of years. Nothing is new under the sun.
Nothing ever happens.
It's over.
I like the sound of both styles.
I do, too!
Henson is obviously a talented guitarist, but I've never listened to one of his songs twice.
Same just not my thing. Never even heard the full goat song. And hey guess what ? That’s okay!!! Someone else would say they prefer what I don’t ! Who cares.
Kinda makes sense his music sounds soulless, GenZ got unlucky and had to grow up with completely soulless/materialistic mainstream trash.
Yeah it's boring
@@animeswitchEvery generation has said that about every younger generation though lol it's all subjective
@@milkwalkerjones633 It really isnt when people are listening to songs about materialism, cars, money, ect. This is soulless by definition. Literally all modern rap music, and they are made so unbelievably basic.
Going in cold, I swear it's nice to see grunge & 90s metal aging so well.
"Bro, look at my clean funk shred 'song' that sounds like I'm playing a talent show at MI!"
>wrinkles nose at 21st century twink Richie Kotzen in disgust
>Chugs beer
>hits bong
>JCM 800 set to kill
>hurricane of feedback
"I'm not that talented, and don't really care."
"talent show at MI" you nailed it.
I think a lot of these modern virtuosos benefit from the Internet making them accessible to a lot of normies. People from musical hubs like Hollywood don't stan out over bands and guitar players in the same way
Only good that came out of grunge was AiC. The rest was extremely mediocre and overrated
@@YBM2007 compared to what? And no, Soundgarden and Mudhoney and Smashing Pumpkins aren't 'overrated.'
@@rocketpigrecords3719 Extremely limited compared to the stuff that predated it (in a broader commercial sense), 80s hard rock and metal. Which is where you find the origins of AiC.
@@YBM2007 not really, this is just crap asshurt butt rockers have been saying since 1992.
Grunge is a hybrid style based upon a bunch of bands in a scene no one was paying attention to, who did whatever they wanted with their classic rock, folk, country, punk and metal influences. Even hairspray stuff, Alice 'N Chainz displayed on Facelift.
Huge difference between the usual suspects, much less getting into fringier stuff like the Melvins that basically created sludge metal.
Meanwhile hair bands all had the same bleach blonde closet case singer, wannabe EVH guitarist, bassist who I guess wasn't fat & showed up on time, and a drummer that never did anything Bonham wouldn't do.
Same ball less tone, same production style, same power ballads, same spandex. Even Megadeth ended up with boosted 500hz mids and gated reverb all over at least on album, & Dave hated it.
If you're talking about Maiden, early Metallica, or even some good ol' Celtic Frost, these were all stuff Cobain listened to regularly. Many old Nirvana photos, you see Grohl wearing a Sepultura ball cap.
Over half the bands you want to throw at me, couldn't play a Soundgarden song - because they only ever played in 4/4.
Old jazz players were just as good as metal shredders
Metal is technically harder to play from a purely physical standpoint, Jazz is much much harder musically.
@@gitsurfer27 nah go look up alan holdsworth dude
@@ganglestank I know holdsworth, not saying jazz can't be shreddy, but Holdsworth is famous for mixing heavy rock elements into his playing, thats where a lot of his shred comes from.
@@gitsurfer27 Holdsworth existed in the 60s and 70s you know
and what point did black people got so bad at music ? is like they discovered sampling and devolved into the stone age
I think john petrucci is like the culmination of the rock/metal guitarists from the 80s/90s while also pushing technicality and speed to crazy levels, he is the peak of the old guard and the trailblazer for the newer styles.
A remarkable thing about John Petrucci is, how his playing used to sound very technical and shallow during his early years (still awesome though) and developed into this incredible blend of mind-blowing technique and multi-level feel. His playing today sounds so deep and soulful, despite the crazy technique. I think that's very rare.
Coolea jumpscare at 00:14
Pure terror
Relax. Its just an AI generated image. The real Coolea has a wizards hat.
bro listened to his female fans going “omg show your face” like the wizard goblin isn’t good enough
Nah that’s Cillian Murphy
His avatar is surprisingly reflective of him.
The thing with modern guitarist is that they would probably show emotion while playing, but things they play are so hard that they need to focus on playing rather than emotion lmao. Its the same with Death, they would probably headbang in their prime but the songs literally needed so much focus to play and sing in the same time. And that was like almost 40 years ago.
the thing is death is actually good and pariphery is not.
@@EMG81xTHRASHER agreed, but some modern metal bands are good like polyphia or animals as leaders.
theyre not lmao @@tedd1659
It's more than just their stage presence. Albums like Symbolic and The Sound of Perseverance are highly technical, yes, but they still convey emotions and tell stories. Polyphia's music just lacks in the songwriting department so much. It feels almost like a bunch of jam sessions a group of skilled musicians would warm up with before they get to writing their evocative material, only that evocative material never comes.
@@jimmyb4812 not really you can definetly see them having some kind of emotion and "feeling" the instrument. Bunch of times Tim while either performing live or on a video you can see him somewhat of headbanging and moving his head in a wierd way in which he probably shows his emotion. Also on the songwriting department most of modern metal is either Djent, metalcore or prog so basically 90% of modern metal music is about rythm which i think modern metal bands do very well, the other problem is that it somewhat sounds sterile and overproduced.
I'm personally pro-bends, as i am a radiohead fan, and Johnny Greenwood very much uses these familiar yet exaggerated bends in his solos that feel very modern. I think the first guitar solo in paranoid android is the best example.
Is your fav album of them The Bends by any chance?
classic Radiohead fan self report
Johnny Greenwood is so sick its unreal
I think that’s cause their music is so “out there” that the bends almost sound like a stabilizing “grounding” force in an otherwise detached alien landscape
@@TheAndradeCS i love that the bends still gets love from the fanbase, given how early in their discog it is.
Why can't people just stop trying to put boundaries on art which in my opinion should be mostly boundless. Not directed at anyone specifically but, just shut up and listen to the music you like.
Because internet gonna internet.
Bucket head is the perfect combination of technicality and emotional playing
Yes .. Syn from AX7 is another .. and of course Saint Dime
@@juanvaldez5422 hahaha man said AX7
Guthrie Govan too
Everybody probably has heard the story that Eddie Van Halen used to play with his back turned so people could not see his hands playing
funny because he stole tapping from Harvey Mandel and he wasnt even close to the first guy to do it
I hadn't heard that, but I do remember hearing of a jazz trumpeter playing with handkerchief covering his trumpet so people couldn't see it.
Robert Johnson also did this in the recording booth. Dudes want to guard their techniques.
@@Dragonflyer74 You can't "steal" an idea. Nobody can "own" an idea like tapping.
@@SchemingGoldbergThe thing with EVH is not that he didn't want people knowing he was tapping, or using whatever technique. It's that the things he was doing sounded a lot more complex than they really were. So he didn't want people seeing his hands to see exactly how he was making those sounds.
Tim Henson is just Gen Z version of Yngwie Malmsteen.
Just with more pink panties
Even Malmsteen himself recognizes he would be nothing if wasn't for Hendrix
it will be a cursed day when he discovered donuts.
So you are predicting he will become bloated and wear even gayer clothes?
@@tucoramirez2513 LMFAOCOPTER
"Play that *ticky tik tik tak tap tap bing* white boi."
To be fair, Tim is Asian and Tosin is very Black. White Bois are off the hook on this one.
Say that five times fast. 😂
I'm 42 years old and when I heard CAFO by Animals as Leaders for the first time my jaw dropped and I was instantly a fan. And as for the younguns; every generation craps on their parent's music. Give them a decade and many of them will learn to appreciate what came before.
The thing is, Tim doesn't crap on old music. In fact, he loves stuff like Hendrix and plenty of music that uses these so called "boomer bends" lol his tastes are incredibly varied too. From pop, to r&b, to metal, to classical, to Japanese hyperpop and anime stuff. He is very much an open book when it comes to what he likes to listen to and anybody who has actually followed him throughout Polyphia's entire life knows this because each and every Polyphia album sounds entirely different than the last one specifically BECAUSE of how varied the band's musical influences are. Their music may not be for everyone, but there is absolutely no denying the musicality and creativity behind those fellas.
People just took one phrase he said out of context and decided to make a big stink about it even several years after the fact he's already explained that he never meant the term as an insult.
@@justsomeguy727 Boomers are massive snowflakes in general, so if you use the word "boomer" in relation to anything in any context, they'll have an absolute shitfit.
In a decade nobody will remember Polyphia except the people who are currently fans. They will fade into obscurity because their music is soulless.
I’m a 40 year old “student” of 90s guitar…John Petrucci, Jerry Cantrell, Kirk Hammett and (out of left field, I know…) Brian May were my heroes as a young kid. That type of music will always mean the most to me because it’s what I listened to during my formative years. That’s how EVERYONE is. But I’m thrilled at the state of modern guitar. I want kids to push the boundaries of what’s considered guitar music and get as wild as they want. That’s how the evolution of music goes. Jimi Hendrix was an almost unimaginable “disruptor” during the mid to late 60s. The old timers back then were probably losing their minds when he hit the scene. That’s how you know you’re on the right track. If what you’re doing is righteous but it upsets the older generations, you’re probably on the right track.
I'm 47 and I'm grateful to have seen some of the legendary bands before they passed away. I also appreciate the technical skills of these young players. Maybe not their vocals, but that's just me.
Ive never met someone with that Tim Henson signature that was good at guitar💀
Ichika Nito?
@@JasonCan-wp2fu 'met'
@@Heisenbinks oh yeah
which one? the electric or the nylon string?
@@retrovertigo.505 The Nylon.
Tim Henson trying to improvise with Vai watching is hilarious.
Improvisation is always about understanding the box you're asked to run around free in. Ask them to think completely outside of those boxes like John Fahey or Mary Halvorson and they immediately appear terminally tacky.
Came here to say that. Tim was definitely out of his depth with that one.
I mean... that is a lot of pressure
Fahey was an incredible player. Pulled shit out of somewhere that was simultaneously pure tradition and bizarrely fresh.
Looked this up after seeing this comment. The first video was a tiktok clip of Henson on stage doing improv with Steve Vai and the other Polyphia guitarist, and you can see on Henson's face that he knows he can't match the two guitarists he's sharing the stage with.
There are moments early on where Vai just starts playing over Henson because the kid just doesn't have the chops, and later on it seems as if both Vai and LePage are playing over him as a way to help Henson "save face".
1 thing I'm realising as I get older is that these "generational evolutions" are often less evolutions but fads. I remember back in the early 90s and there were MANY bands who the "boomers" would dismiss and we young Gen X'rs would laugh at their lack of musical knowledge. I still love many of those bands I used to listen to (and occasionally still do) but I know full well that their sound is very dated these days. However, the likes of Pink Floyd etc are listened to across generations for a reason. We cannot really judge "the music of today" until it has been around another couple of decades to know whether it was "of its time" or "timeless". I personally think it is that emotion conveyed in the playing of instruments, less the technicality, which really makes some bands transcend generations. I can appreciate the technicality in the moment, but 10 years later I probably won't really remember a highly technical song whereas songs which successfully transmit emotion and personality with themes that are eternally part of the human experience will always find a connexion
This is exactly what I’ve been trying to get this toxic comment section to understand, finally nice to see someone so based. Music was always about feeling, not technicality. I only appreciate technicality if it serves the actual purpose of the story you’re trying to tell- otherwise, it’s just showing off for the sake of it.
To be fair, I also think there can be a ton of fun to see an artist at the top of their game just show off what they're capable of, no matter the artistic medium
But yes, the songs that truly stick around are the ones that truly have something to say, and you can only tell if a song, an album or an artist/band really is a classic with the benefit of hindsight
You should wear green face paint, sunglasses, and a wizard hat in your live action segments tbh. Oh, and some of those plastic vampire fangs to really complete the look
I think its not just about younger generations disliking bending but disliking the blues overall. I think bending can still sound fresh but most of the time its heard within the context of guitarists using them in the pentatonic boxes that they love so much, which makes them sound bluesy and old-timey.
Ouch that's gotta suck. I'm not surprised they don't have any influence from blues. I guess that's why I find all the new age stuff dreadfully boring.
The main problem with "modern" American music is that is has lost the feel of the Blues, even dance music is just a glorified click-track. The best notes ARE the "Blue" notes, which are all the ones Tim won't play. He's just a meme. Nothing more.
Comments prove why zoomers are sick of blues based music. It’s just a bunch of shitty seething boomers screeching over how their youth was the absolute supreme peak of all culture and how the rest of time til the sun explodes should live in permanent awe inspired reverence of the holy 60’s & 70’s.
traditional blues not being the predominant style of music isn't a bad thing. Classical had no influence from blues and some of the best music in recorded history came from that (granted modern music isn't all that good in general, but you get my point). It has nothing to do with a blues influence and more so the industry and consumers not being encouraged to go seek different forms of music that they might enjoy.
@@KarlKarsnark the autotune won't play nice in the mix if you don't hyper-tune the guitars and avoid blue notes altogether :/ lame af, I know
I know most people won't like this, but this is the most stupid debate ever.
Listen whatever you want and create whatever you want.
nobody is disputing that lol
This video pretty much tells me what’s wrong with every generation of guitarists since the 60s; you all seem to believe that guitar exists in some kind of rock-vacuum and completely ignore the instruments existence in classical, jazz, flamenco, R&B, disco etc.
Modern virtuosos look to these fringe-genres and include their styles into modern alternative music, these genres are much more technical than blues rock yet have a ton of emotional depth because playing emotionally is nothing more than controlling dynamics, tempo and pitch.
The boomer bends thing is clearly flippant humour, and of course this kid respects Jimi, you can hear a ton of it in his playing. As a musician in their 40s who has enjoyed most popular generations of guitar I believe this blanket conceptualisation of “feel” in music needs to end and we should embrace players who seek to push the medium further.
“Emotion vs technical” is so stupid.
As a drummer, I don't see this divide in our culture. There are probably some people who are like “You are doing too much” in response to drummers but they are most likely right.
Drummers do stupid shit, but that's just because we like pushing our boundaries of what we can play. The only rules we generally have is
1. Keep time
2. Support the band
3. Sound good.
We are forced to learn genres and styles that make us expand our understanding of music and really understand how we matter to the band.
Pray God spare us from classical-jazz-flamenco alternative music.
Thanks for showing a clip of Death. I think only metalheads often recognize how important Chuck was to the development of guitar playling.
I can't have comfortably numb, purple haze, hotel California, and champagne(a polyphia song) all in one playlist cuz I must conform to internet arguments.
Blue eyed devil Coolea
For me, emotions are the most important thing in music, complicated techniques can be phenomenal when they are used FOR emotions, but when we focus on technique for technique's sake, we lose what music has always been about - emotions
I think the argument in this one is a miss because it doesn't interrogate its own assumptions. Before considering which technical or compositional techniques are in some sense inherently "emotional", it's assumed that emotion is inherently conveyed in music. But emotion is interpreted by an audience; even if it's intentionally conveyed by the musician, it may be unpacked very differently upon being heard. We can witness this effect all the time in upbeat, major key songs with dark lyrics, which might be used frequently in social settings for their directly musical qualities while the lyrical qualities are misunderstood or go unacknowledged.
So before we can even discuss which techniques are "emotional", which was skipped over in this video, we have to discuss how emotion is expressed and interpreted in music and how those things are commonly misaligned. Which was also skipped over in this video.
This is a good point tbh, valid criticism
Tbh those kind of songs are confusing, what actual emotion is being expressed? The sadness of the lyrics or the happiness of the music? Why are those things together at all, it’s pretty hard to be happy and sad at the same time unless maybe you’re mentally ill, or maybe you’re confused? It just doesn’t make any logical or musical sense to me
@@mattster693 I expect it's a form of dramatic irony, like the musical equivalent of people forcing a smile when they're miserable. Of course, between how common the technique is and how poor audiences are at interpreting it, I see it as a better technique on paper than it is in application.
Seconded, great point.
@@mattster693 I suspect a lot of (pop) songwriters are just too chickenshit to write something in a minor/ weirder key, even if the lyrics are ultra-depressing. Doesn't make money I guess..
Bends are not something to be avoided, it's a form of self expression. It's flair and a way to personalise your playing, there's endless ways to bend a string and allows for your own subtle differences from the next guitarist.
A guitar is an inherently imperfect instrument, and in terms of music, imperfection is perfection
Being playing guitar for 20+ years, I can fully appreciate the development. I think Polyphia and ASL bands are pretty awesome, taking the instrument to the next phase (much better than the nu metal era I grew up in, sorry to say). When I first learned guitar, I too were inspired to be a guitar hero, tapping, sweeping, legatos in high gain were all I knew, I want to go faster and shred to the end. In recent decade, as I have less time to practise, and also with better patience and experience (perhaps due to aging), I have start to turn off the distortion, delays, and start to explore more into dynamics and phrasing, trying to make the notes convey feeling. I think its just a phase in life people go thru, I dont think a normal teen could appreciate players like BB King, Albert King, Freddy King.. I didn't, but if they hold on to playing music, Im sure they will learn to appreciate it eventually (unless they're Yngwie Malmsteen)...
If we forget a moment about the cultural and historic value of classic rock/blues etc, there is a significant difference that is often overlooked. Music nowadays tends to be made in a more mechanical and refined way, expecially thanks to computers and easy access to music recording. I prefer the older way of actually playing music on the record, instead of many parts that end up becoming a song when out togheter. Even in the old days they used the studio to modify and push some aspects to create the best product, but it was more natural and groovy. Nowadays (expecially with rock/metal music) there is a focus on "attack" of the notes, a more staccato feel, that has no swing to it. And it's not about speed either, it's simply the feel and vibe musicians put into it.
I respect so much guys like Polyphia, Animals as leaders etc but when i listen to early Santana records i go into a trance. The way the distorted guitar adds melody and so many harmonic nuances is insane to me. It's also something that is evident when the music is played live; i would rather listen a slow guitar player who has full control of his bends and the feedback of the amp, rather than a virtuoso shredder who plays with tons of distorsion and noisegate, without providing any emotional depth to what he plays.
Again, this is not a diss to modern musicians, just my two cents on something i am recently discovering about the way i listen and appreciate music.
IMO these modern virtuoso players are pushing the envelope and evolving the music, but they are more of technicians of their art rather than artists that will be the soundtrack of this generations of musicians, artists in a more "traditional" way, if that makes any sense lol.
P.S. i wrote this before i watched the video hope i won't sound stupid
55 here, love Polyphia! I think Tim is referring more to the Freebird lick more than referring to actual bending. Anyways, I think learning a Polyphia song or 2 could do anyone some good. Loads of technique, chord inversions, chord melody, voice leading and hooks for days. Not to mention their licks are so unique and quirky.
Did you even watch the video? The point is that jerking yourself off over music theory and hyper focussed technique is devoid of soul and leads you to make boring forgettable music.
"Boomers" and Gen-Z share one thing in common, parts of each generation are incredibly easy to offend. You can make a 40+ year old man spin out over the smallest things all the while they call young people sensitive.
40 + year old man? Get your math straight. Gen x started 60 years ago lmao. Baby boomers are 60 years old at their youngest. The generation you’re thinking of is Gen x which is what my parents are as a person of the very youngest millennial generation. Zoomers and Generation X have so much in common, and the millennials are the truly forgotten generation. No one listens or cares about us, zoomers are annoying, gen x are annoying, and boomers are complete dinosaurs by now
@@sentientdogma1206
Hey pal, notice how I put "Boomers" in quotation marks? That is because young people commonly use to it to refer to anyone over the age of 30 and/or those who are out of touch. It has become a modern way to call someone a fogey. I understand that the actual Baby Boomer generation is geriatric. I do not appreciate you condescendingly trying to correct me.
Boomers are in their 60s and 70s. LOL! Gen X is 40s and made great music. 90s were the "Golden Age" of almost every genre from Rap to Metal to Pop and even some of the Boomers were still going strong. Now, we have AI Nintendo knock offs. Hooray, we suck!
@@danielflanard8274 Then use a term correctly. That's why we have them. You twinks really do ree-out easily. LOL! Go get your troon juice and calm down. LOL!
@@sentientdogma1206 your point was proven lmfao
We need all of it, honestly. From “boomer bends” to robot shredding.
One thing can not be debated. The 60s-90s had superior style to late 90s-2020s. From Jimi setting his guitar on fire, to Blackmore shredding then breaking his guitar into a camera, to Dave Murray combining technique and emotion, and Jens Ludwig of Edguy bring unique tone in with his melodic solos.
The 60s to 90s just had the best stuff. But the newer stuff is much needed for innovation.
Buckethead is the only robot shredder we will ever need.
I feel like people overestimate how much technicality takes out emotion. Just using extremely technical playing doesn’t mean you can’t have emotion.
Right, it's like anti-intellectualism but for music. Aka the people the mock others for using words that are "too big" even though those words have a reason for existing.
While in theory that would make sense, but in practice it just doesn’t seem to work that way, even certain music I like I can realize that because the playing is so fast and technical there is little time to add the emotion unless that emotion needs it to be that way to be fully realized,
Tbh very few emotions can be expressed with virtuosic technicality, while restricting your playing and playing slower can yield more interesting sounds and much different emotions, the space in between is just as important as the notes played
I swear, most people hear one 16th note run and decide it's soulless music made by a robot. Music is like, the only discipline where working extremely hard every day to learn as much about it as possible is viewed as unpassionate
@@mattster693everyone processes music differently. Maybe you can't observe emotion if someone plays fast, but many people can.
hipsters on a shitty soy punk band need something to help them cope with their lack of skill
Babe wake up, new coolea video.
3:17 It's relatable to think about Ichika that way.
my personal opinion about music is if I like it I like it
I'm so happy Hella got a shout out, they have *so* much feel behind their technicality that I wish more people recognized
As a player, my philosophy has always been to have fun, playing whatever style is fun for you to play
As a listener 30 yrs old, i grew up listening to my moms 70s music and its what i like and what i play because i like the sound
That being said i also like metal and play heavy and fast when i feel like it
Theory and technique are tools to get you where you want to go, not the be all end all
There is an audience for henson and he enjoys playing that style so more power to the djent brothers
There is an audience for the 70s and 90s mysic which i believe will turn out somewhat timeless as i will definitely have it playing for my kids so i think the audience will hold for a while and there are many of us who love to play it
the sheer amount of memes this man has stored in his computer should be used as a preservation storage lmao
btw, banger of a video. The quality of the scripts and presentation have been noticeably increasing through the latest uploads. Cool guy Coolea :)
Imo the best music that emotionally resonates with the listener. It could be from any genre or era. I know if I hear something that is technically impressive, but feels soulless I'm more likely to dismiss it as wankery.
The original reverb petal was called "Help, I'm trapped in a giant coffee can device"
The Mike O'Hearn meme was greatly appreciated.
My favorite Guitar player today is Derek Trucks, slide player that uses his guitar like a voice . He is melodic and musical and his technique is superb and inspiring..He literally is singing with it. Those boomer bends can be hard to perfect, the way it's done is important . Bending to a note and milking it sweetly with vibrato up to the perfect pitch in the groove of the song isn't easy to most modern technical players, it is all feeling and emotion. I can understand why it's derided by most of them because they can't make it sing musically like those old boomers did. You can practice it but if aren't feeling it and it isn't your bag, you probably never will.
can you edit your videos in a way that isn't dopamine overload with constant unrelated gifs and memes flying at my face every 1-3 seconds okay thanks
Double dip: something to remember with "boomer bends" is that they sound amazing when high on lsd. I mean, that one note sustained had the secrets of the universe visually pulsing through your consciousness. I had one older guy I know flip out when he heard Tim Henson play because he said, and I quote: "That sounds exactly like what my stupid old ass has been hearing for 60 years now but he's actually playing it!" He died later that day from depression and really for just "not having any use on this planet anymore"- his words. I, personally, think he was a wonderful person and that boomers really are a very thoughtful, balanced and frankly generous generation of people overall.
Never trust a historical instrument video that pronounces Baroque as Ba-Row-Kay.
youtubers mispronounce words so people like you can leave comments. too bad this channel creator seems to be a plant/youtube corporate favorite. grey mushy and inoffensive content to scatter ads into.
if it's not baroque don't fix it
I found that bands like Radiohead, Porcupine Tree, Opeth, and Plini can give me a mix of complexity and emotional relevance that I enjoy at this point. Allan Holdsworth and Kurt Rosenwinkel are also guitarists who can still get a reaction out of me through their respective complexity, but I also love what Hendrix was able to get across with just one note in Machine Gun.
Bends, trills, and vibratos are essential skills that all guitarists should use. An artist can choose to use them or not depending on the emotion or whatever they are trying to express.
It’s amazing the way you get AI voice simulation out of a live recording…
you're by far the best creator in this niche and i say that as someone who's fully rooted in this niche.
I feel like music like Tim Henson and his contemporaries play is more “music for musicians” and theirs noting wrong with that.
It’s not my cup of tea but I can appreciate the skill and work that goes into it.
To be fair, it's mostly instrumental music and it has always been like this.
I’m a musician nor particularly good or anything but i dont really like polyphia. It just is too much for me and it’s muddy in my opinion. I always say that the main goal of all the instruments is to serve the song but polyphia is just so emotionless and way too over produced. It is over complicated to the point that the song is no longer being served instead you are just complicating riffs and melodies Because you can not because it fits
@@kevinsmoon3257 I'm not a musician but I dabble a little bit in the instrument and quite frankly I personally don't have problem with their music anymore.
It's wasn't easy for me to understand the melodies/songs nor was it easy for me to find "emotion" in them at first, I still kinda like them even if I didn't get it, at first. Well, not all but most of the songs. But with time I started to understand it, melodically and "emotionally" and started loving it and so imo, they still follow the rules of the instruments serving the music.
As for production, yeah, it's inspired by pop music, it's bound to have extremely high production. I mean these guys work with rappers and pop stars most of the time.
All-in-all Polyphia is very niched music, it's divisive; not everyone is going to vibe with them and there's nothing wrong with that, human tastes is quite subjective and is inspired by the experiences we went through and that includes music. But as someone that does vibe with it, I have to say, it has been my favourite over the years.
@@solivoritor and that’s completely fine my friend. It just is something to me that i dont think i can really get into. Don’t get me wrong i understand the complexity of their music but it just isnt my thing
@@kevinsmoon3257 it's all cool, man.
There is a difference between playing music to express feelings and thoughts, and making 'music' just as a challenge to prove how skilled one is.
The earliest surviving stringed instruments to date are the Lyres of Ur, plucked chordophones, which currently exist in fragments that date back to 4,500 years ago. The first bowed chordophones were probably developed in central Asia and were the forerunners of an Indian folk instrument known as the ravanastron.
Sumer, 26th C. BCE. The Schøyen Collection, Oslo. Instruments of ancient Mesopotamia include harps, lyres, lutes, reed pipes, and drums.
Great video, I'd love to hear you talk more about the topic of technicality and musicality.
I feel like the fact that music existed for so long before notation is lost on many people, even musicians
It's important to distinguish between a juggler and an artist. The general function of art is to inspire awe. If an artist can produce that awe with barely passable technique, then that artist may be a genius.
You have a guitar, why wouldn't you use bends??? Like, no many instruments have that possibility. Also, I have heard many Henson songs and while they sound cool, i don't remember a single melody. I can sing any David Gilmour solo full of boomer bends
I mean, you're comparing solos and riffs. This is like saying "well I can't sing a single Bonham drum part". I don't even listen to Polyphia, but the guitar is clearly somewhat percussive.
for me personally, bending doesn't feel right under my fingers, I prefer slides. On the matter of David Gilmour bends, it's not the bends themselves that people like, it's the melody and the phrasing. You can be just as good as Gilmour at bending the notes with feel but if you hit the bad sounding notes, it doesn't matter
As an avid Polyphia listener, they have very easily singable melodies, and if you cant remember them you probably just havent listened to them enough. I literally have a video from when I saw them live where they partially played the beginning riff of one of their songs, and when they stopped the crowd sang the rest of the riff, and then they dropped into playing the full song. Amazing crowd work and proof that they have singable melodies if you know them.
@@dylanphelan3010 I think you're just lowkey butthurt that you can't bend. I absolutely listen to Gilmour because he's a master of it. Don't speak for everyone just cause you can't bend lol.
Also, "for me personally" is redundant.
That's a recency bias, you remember Gilmour songs more because you probably have been listening him your entire life. For if you listen to Polyphia everyday for years you will be pretty capable remember and hum all Polyphia songs.
I understand your criticisms of overly complicated music, but I feel deeply moved by polyphias music. Could be personal prefrence, but if you listen to him talk, his objective has not been to just make circle jerk prog muisc, but to push and expand music into a new and unknown territory.
This right here. I can't stand the "there's no feel" people. Uh no. There's no feel to YOU. I don't "feel" anything to some boring blues riffs. That doesn't mean there isn't any "feeeeeel" in the song. But other gay ass guitarists refuse to acknowledge this
Classical guitar connects somewhat these generations by its playing style from a technical perspective.
Guitar playing has more depth than seen in mere chronological order of pop-cult guitarists only.
Absolutely. It always blows my mind when people criticize guitarists like Ichika Nito for being mindless note vomit, when it's clearly extremely influenced by classical style which has been around forever.
LMAO WHAT IS THE MACHINE AT 2:05 ITS SO GOOFY OMG
The whole point of "bending" was always to approximate just-intonation on an instrument that wasn't designed for melody in the first place.
Creating “boomer bends” will create more of a legacy for Henson than his playing lol. This video is literally r/guitarcirclejerk 😂
1940s Strat? What?
He's having a slight giggle at how Fender enthusiasts seem to think older is always better for some reason
Old guitars just had more 'mojo' 😂
Yes I would want a 1940s strat because that’s literally impossible
I've been playing the guitar for close to 30 years. Grew up in the '90s but my dad listened to '70s rock all the time. I have no problem with Tim. However, I listen to all different types of music and I honestly can say I really don't enjoy what he does. Having said that, newer guitar players like Kingfish Ingram are amazing to me. I listen to him frequently and have went to see him live. Regarding guitar playing in general, I firmly believe that when you get overcomplicated, people's ears can't keep up and you lose them. While Tim is an excellent guitar player, I think that's one of the reasons why people from my era don't pay much attention to him. I am not a boomer. I am a '90s kid. However, I can understand why boomers would get upset about his comment. That was a timing music where we got some of the best albums in history. You got to be careful with your words when talking about the '70s. That truly was a great time for the guitar.
The Korg Miku is the pinnacle of guitar evolution
I feel like some people can come off as feeling "superior" in a way, because the music they listen to was birthed from a certain political or cultural agenda. It's as if people who want to make music just for the sake of making music are automaticaly considered "soulless" or lacking of emotion.
People listen to music in different ways, and something that may appear to be regurgitated diarrhea to one person, may hit some deep rooted emotional strings in other people.
As a nu metal fan, i approve this message.
Yep. Part of the issue is that "feel" can be interpreted through other avenues besides the traditional bends and vibrato. Looking through the music with that lens, of course new technical guitar playing sounds empty and soulless.
Well, making music with no message, no conviction, and no connection to the craft is kind of definitionally soulless, so yeah. Tim Henson is a talented guitarist and a crappy songwriter. It’s not hard to understand.
@@Nobddy thank god music is subjective
@@NobddyThe OP debunked this before you even wrote it lol
This the first video i've seen with coolea's actual face and for about 5 seconds i was trying to understand that it wasn't a sped up footage of someone rambling. This channel dissociates me from reality and i like it
Polyphia sounds like the name of some obscure japanese NES game about fireflies racing or some shit
lol
It's just 2 very different ways of playing, there's nothing wrong with enjoying either, or both. I listen to 60s, 70s, and 80s rock and all that, but I still respect the level of talent and effort that is put into the crazy stuff now.
“Limitations lead to creativity”
Never thought I’d get hit with a powerful quote during a video like this
That chick in Polyphia is really good at guitar
Is she the new Smashing Pumpkins guitarist?
imagine listening to the opinions of a femboy robot
I love the music of Polyphia. As guitarists, we express ourselves in many different ways. Whether it is through technicality, raw emotion, effects layering, string attack or utilizing pedals, it is all just different ways to express ourselves and convey it the best we can in our art.
Imagine collaborating with Steve Vai and not writing a single key change.
I like when both approaches are combined, as in Petrucci’s playing style, for example.
4:38 "fixing a few mixhaps"
Leo: " oh ffs! we keep making a bass!"
The first strats were build in the 50s, not the 40s
The best kind of complicated, technical music, is the kind that sounds deceptively simple, or that still manages to convey an emotion through an actual song. Virtuosity for virtuosity’s sake is not art, it’s sports.
I agree with 100 percent Virtuosity can be useful but i dont remember any Steve Vai riffs but i remember most of Nirvana riffs
@@MrKingkzTbf Vai still makes some bangers but yeah I agree with the og point
@@MrKingkz I'm a fan of both in some ways, although i totally agree, Vai is like a teacher showing his students techniques that only they care about, Cobain plays timeless music from the soul. Technically Vai is a better guitarist, but that means nothing when we're talking about music. Tim Henson is another virtuoso thats very good and plays good technically, but i would never sit and listen to a Polyphia album.
Agreed, but Polyphia is far from virtuosity for virtuosities sake. They compose a lot of banger melodies within all the technique. People act like their songs are just technical vomit and spamming sweep scales, when Ive never heard a song theyve made that lacks a hook and melody. I literally have a video of them live where they stop playing mid-riff and the crowd sings back their guitar parts to them.
I wonder where does 80's noise rock falls in this silly discussion because I'm pretty sure both the hard rock/prog turbonerds and djent and metalcore degenerates would get flabbergasted at prepared guitars and how Sonic Youth and Big Black played their guitars.
and Polvo in the 90s
Swans, sonic youth, Blind Idiot God, unwound big fan of noise rock
@@freq9939 same
One would say it’s progressive in it’s own right or regressive haha
Best part being born in the 90’s in this regard is enjoying the music left behind by artist and seeing new music unfold, to which it could be considered alien back then as you mentioned earlier. 🤘🏾
no views in 1 minute cant wait for the sunnyv2 fall off video