Emergency Security Update: Home Invasions, Increase in Criminal Activity, Safety Advice in Ecuador
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The relationship between community and safety that was touched upon in the later section of your podcast should not be forgotten. I lived in a mountain region of Colombia while in the Peace Corps 45 years ago. An agricultural and climatic region similar to that of Vilcabamba. The Violencia that had claimed a quarter million lives was not far in the past but the cartel era had not yet arrived. One side of the valley was Conservator and the other Liberale and there still was armed conflict between them and the federal armies. The State Dept. rated it as one of the most dangerous places in the world.
When I wanted to take a trip into the mountains on my riding mule Jay, I always talked about my plans with my friends over a tinto and while playing billiards so that the entire community knew about it. More than once I received a knock on the door at night --- (from somebody of either political persuasion) advising me to not go to a particular place at that time.
After returning to the US I lived in San Francisco and worked in a small office just off Market Square. I never walked out of the office without turning on the eyes in the back of my head. Never felt as safe as I did in Colombia, because I was alone on the street instead of surrounded by my community. And this was back in the days when San Francisco was the shining city on a hill instead of the homeless nightmare that it has become.
Hi Richard,
Thank you so much for sharing your insightful comment. Your perspective and personal experiences are truly valuable, and we appreciate you taking the time to contribute to the discussion.
It's fascinating to hear about your time in Colombia and the unique dynamics of the community you lived in. The relationship between community and safety is indeed crucial, and your story highlights the importance of open communication and mutual support within a community.
Your mention of feeling safer in Colombia, despite the conflicts and challenges, compared to your experience in San Francisco is thought-provoking. It's interesting how the sense of belonging and being surrounded by a supportive community can have a significant impact on one's perception of safety.
Once again, we sincerely thank you for sharing your perspective. It's contributions like yours that enrich the conversation and broaden our understanding. If you have any more insights or stories to share, we would love to hear them.
This was going to happen, but have to wait for saying it in the appropiate time. it is very sad the growing of crimes in Ecuador, but most gringos do not know that Ecuador has thousands and thousands of members spreaded in several gangs. Los Choneros ( 12k people ) was born in Manabi, same region as Manta. Lobos ( 8k people ) is an "new" branch separated from Los Choneros. Los Tiguerones ( 4k ) another big gang from Esmeralda. I do not know how Ecuador - a very peaceful country about 20 years ago - ended this way . It is clear that bad prepared police + corrupted politicians drive the country to a mad situation. I hope the next president do his job, even though it is going to be a hard-to-fight battle . They need a lot of money , a lot of support from foreign countries and be united. A united Peru had a fight against something 100+ more dangerous in the 80's and 90's Shining Path and MRTA both trying to take over our country. After 70k died, we won this war. I lost my elder brother in that war as member of the police. We never ever surrender and we thanks US that helped us in this bad situation. Peru is now a booming economy, with a hardworker and growing middle class. It was not a bad idea to have a "Plan B" as visiting Cajamarca and Chachapoyas both seen to be the "Loja version of Peru" . Posibility to get there from Loja by land. The beautiful permanent deep blue sky will amaze you
$18/hr with gas and driver.
My wife is from quito and had family and friends all over the country. Everyone warns against going there. It's a shit show.
The next president needs to threaten bought off judges. As long as the criminals know they can be out of jail by paying off the judge after one years time for murder . The government needs to start with their own corruption .
They were part of our family. The funeral is in Colorado on Wednesday. Francesca was killed in front of her daughter. She was trying g to protect her father. Father and her husband were assaulted. Thank God they they safe now.
I live in Europe, ecuadorian by birth, i spoke to mum who lives in Loja city and It is a tragedy, but ur right crime is increasing everywhere, we just need to be careful
Whether or not you all want to admit it, Ecuador is getting bad. No one should have to fear walking at night, and right now, there is no safety at night. The local taxi driver might be in on you getting robbed with his crew. While that can happen anywhere, it’s extremely rare in places like Europe and SE Asia.
Ecuador has a very clear caste system with rich va poor, and the poor are getting angry, and they often lump expats in with those keeping them poor.
The US is not much different, and both Ecuador and the US are rated really low on safety.
The difference in the US is you know the really bad places to avoid, especially if you're already an American. Also, in most "free" states,you have the right to "carry," and defend yourself.
Well... I understand how people wants to emigrate to a place like Vilcabamba and try to grab some of that "magic" for themselves, but if you think about it, today it is the perfect spot for crime. A poor comunity known for being special and "left alone" by ecuadorians, now is getting a ton of wealthy caucasians, a lot of unruled hippies, unwanted development, rise of living costs, its catching unwanted eyes... the Vilcabamba locals are not happy about it. I really doubdt Vilcabamba locals have rapists, murderers and violent thieves, they have always been a small comunity that knew each other very well.
The more people from outside goes to Vilcabamba that wants to have a "little USA" there, the more crime it will get. I know for a fact that colombian mafias hit some places in Ecuador and then get back to the border, i dare to say most of violent crime perpetrated at gunpoint is from these types of colombian squads, sometimes people from the northern coast of Ecuador too, so expecting Police to catch anyone is very unlikely, they are ex militia or military trained. Probably they bribe some taxi drivers to get info.
Unfortunatelly, crime is raising everywhere, in Spain the amount of murders, disapeared people, thefts, etc, are non stop on TV. I just lost more than 9k in cash, paying for a renovation at home, and not only lost the money, now my house is like a warzone, no doors, no floor, no kitchen... And contractoed spanish people to be "safer", oh well...
Take care, post pandemic life is wild now.
Well you're entitled to your opinion, not one we share here as residents of Vilcabamba. Have a great day!
@@AbundantLivingEcuador You are also entitled to your opinion. Hope you're doing fine and are not being targeted by criminals!
Our prayers to you guys and the family and friends of the tragedy.
Thanks Glenn, to you as well.
I’m an Ecuadorian living in New York City, Staten Island and I’m terrified to go to any place by public transportation , every day there is an assault or someone pushes you on the train tracks. You’re followed from the subway and rape. They are finding people dead in their apartments. The violence is escalated to the point that is very scary to go out. Now my family is in Manta and I’ll be going to visit my mom in June but I’m certainly worried about the crime in manta and Manabi in general. It feels that there not safe place anywhere in world right now. I’ve never been to Vilcabamba and watching your videos really pick my interest, maybe I’ll go this time. Take care and be safe with your families.
Thanks Amelia, we appreciate your perspective and agree with much of what you shared.
You're exaggerating. Violence hasn't escalated. Millions of people go out every day safely and you've let news affect how you perceive the world.
@@Fragenzeichenplatte Agree. Paranoia is contagious. Don’t believe everything you hear.
New York City was rated one of the safest metropolitan cities between 1994 and 2001. This was the result of hundreds of mafia crime prosecutions by Republican Rudy Giuliani, U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York. Then as Republican Mayor Rudy Giuliani he enacted policies (e.g. Stop and Frisk) that made it difficult to be a criminal. In 2002, Democratic Mayors (Michael Bloomberg, Bill de Blasio, Eric Adams) reversed those policies and crime soared. Then Democratic District Attorney Alvin Bragg announced he would no longer prosecute certain crimes (Theft, Robbery, etc.) or hold criminals (i.e. Cash Bail Reform) in jail. That is the difference between electing Republicans and Democrats. The stupid people (Democrat voters) did it to themselves.
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Thanks Angela.
A horrid, sad event. Thank you for such a thoughtful video.
Hello, I did my student teaching at Conklin Elementary in Rockford many years ago! Thank you for this video. I am so sorry to hear about what happened to this family. I grew up outside of Chicago. I lived in Chicago in the past and have felt safe in my neighborhood. I teach in the south suburbs and have for several years. I now live in Indiana because the south suburbs are not safe. I am a bilingual teacher and love the families I've worked with. This past year was the 1st year I did not feel safe. I can't explain it but children have brought guns to school, there was a teacher that was shot by a 6 year old. It's frightening. The south side of Chicago is notoriously violent but anyway I've been wanting to teach overseas. I've looked at Cuenca, Ecuador. Being from a large city I think it's engrained that you are aware of your surroundings and take safety measures. I hope that the violence gets under control. Being a teacher I don't have anything to flash, lol. Thanks again for this video.
Thanks for watching and providing your insightful perspective! I was born in Chicago and lived in the Rockford area for several years after college. What city in Indiana? Let us know how we can help you visit Ecuador!
Cheers!
Brandon
@@AbundantLivingEcuador I live in Schererville IN now. The Illinois 'burbs on the south suburbs are not safe and it's much more affordable in Indiana. If I can visit Ecuador sometime this year I will let you know. I am a teacher and actually got a very good raise so am hoping I can take a couple of vacations this year! Thanks for responding!
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I agree that crime is in many parts, but when there are higher penalties for crime then there is less crime. I DON'T know if it's still true in Japan, but once apon a time a theif lost their hand and the second time they lost their other hand. That curbed robberies.
I did a deep dive on the story when I considered a migration. Here is my take on the situation:
1. It would seem the family members were not armed (Ecuador prohibited gun ownership)
- In April, President Guillermo Lasso announced that civilians in Ecuador would again be allowed to possess guns.
2. It would seem the family members were caught unaware by the 3-4 criminals.
- To prevent that, I would recommend a eMACROS 1-2 Mile Long Range Solar Wireless Driveway Alarm. With that product, you'll know when the criminals enter your property.
3. The victim posted to Quora that her neighbor was the victim of home invasion/robbery, and she expressed deep concerns for her safety in the Loja area.
- A woman should never ignore her intuition. Take action to arm yourself and secure your property.
Thanks for sharing your deep dive and for your thoughtful concern of the issue. That said, several of your points are in fact inaccurate.
Have you ever lived or even visited Ecuador? Your advice seems prudent, but your “take on the situation” leading up to that advice is not accurate. Lots of misinformation on the internet and it’s hard to decipher the truth from abroad. Good luck.
@@AbundantLivingEcuador I read a detailed story about the crime. The article included a link to posts made by Francesca-Williams-37 on Quora.
Post: What are the major stereotypes people have about Ecuador and to what extent are they true?
Quote: Another stereotype was that we were at a high risk of home invasion robberies. We have not experienced this as of yet, but live in constant awareness of this danger. I know many, many foreigners who have experienced home invasion robberies and I would not have come here if I had any idea of how close to home such attacks would be. It is essential that one have intimidating dogs and bars on one’s windows.
Francesca Williams lived in Ecuador from 2014 to 2023. She was smart and intelligent, and I trust her advice.
Not debating what you read. Just sharing that some of your conclusions/facts are incorrect. Lots of misinformation out there. Good luck!
My heart goes out to that family amd i cannot imagine what they are all going through....
It is so important to advise any potential people thinking of relocating to Ecuador the rising crime level in the country as well as the very unstable political amd security situation that has been developing for a number of years...
I always maintained that it was only a matter of time that this happens in an area with a large number of expats due to the cultural myth that all expats are wealthy and therefore make good and easy targets for robbery.
Ecuador has always had unsafe areas that i have been in the past and fortunately have had no problems.
However i have never known a time previous in my 21 years of both visiting or living in Ecuador where it has been so dangerous as now...
I have many family and friends there and we were planning on moving back there last year but literally everyone has advised us against it and so reluctantly we have shelved those plans for now.
There is still much that Ecuador has to offer and im sure for the right people it still does now. But its only fair to tell both sides of the story so that people can make informed decisions rather than make a bad one they regret later.
It really does make me sad to see this because the country really has improved so much over the years and communities in Vilcabamba amongst others have worked so hard to build themselves into thriving places for like-minded people.
Thanks Ashley, I guess everyone has to make their choices as to where they want to live and where they feel safe, I can certainly say this is not a common occurrence at all in this region and we feel very safe and comfortable living here. The international news media has no idea what the truth is and seem to sensationalize everything. Have a great day.
The US is FAR worse than Ecuador
As a footnote to my time in Cajamarca Colombia---the town looks almost exactly as it did 45 years ago when viewed on Google Earth. But that is because it is located on a small plateau with deep canyons on each side. The volcano I skied on (three days muleback away from town) blew its top and killed 23,000 people. But the campesino market town I knew is now a hotbed of environmental activism that succeeded in stopping an open leach pit gold mine backed by the biggest gold mining company in the world. Who would have believed it!
Here in Victoria, BC it has changed tremendously. Since our provincial government now decriminalized the use of heavy drugs, every second day at least I find people smocking crack or needling up right at the entrance of my work downtown. Let’s not talk about the sirens and police , paramedics every second hour on and on all of this is now part of the daily life here. Overdose is a thing, unfortunately addicts are not getting the help they need (rehabilitation) from our government and when they run out of drugs and money business are getting broken in ….. I don’t dare to walk to the grocery store once is dark.
I guess you guys are in a better place.
You have the community over there, here everyone keeps for their selves.
That's really sad to hear. Growing up in Seattle in the 70's, Victoria was always such a clean & safe place. Now it sounds like a mini-San Francisco ((
Wow, thanks for sharing your thoughts, yes we agree, at the end of the day its the community that will provide the necessary structure to create the environment we want to live in.
Very sad to hear that about Victoria, BC. Sounds like today's Seattle, Portland, and San Francisco--- 3 once-beautiful American cities.
Decriminalization does not cause this crime, sorry.
Is so sad my prayers for all the family
Thanks Cliff.
Here in Canada, there seems to be more to fear from the government than anything else. Is that true there as well?
As in the government pushes fear? We honestly don't pay much attention to what the latest government/media propaganda is, but people here in general seem to have less fear than back home.
The Canadian government is the most scary to you? Are you for real? Most of the world would be so much better if they had the Canadian government, imperfect as it is.
This happens in the US every day. Multiple times a day
That it does.
@@AbundantLivingEcuador No, it doesn't.
Thanks guys for the personal and very ‘real’ take on the situation. As a regular watcher of your videos, it is obvious to me that you care deeply about the community and residents. I think you are correct that the problem is global - the increasing meanness and intolerance in the U.S. is, in fact, a big part of why I have been exploring other residency options.. Vilcabamba is lucky to have you and vice versa. I know the strength of the community there is a huge asset right now. Please accept my sincere prayers for the family. All the best to you, Bob
Hey Bob! Thanks a ton for your heartfelt comment. We really appreciate your kind words and support. We genuinely care about our community and its residents, so your recognition means a lot to us.
You're absolutely right about the global nature of the problem. It's sad to see the increasing meanness and intolerance not just in the U.S., but worldwide. We understand why you've been exploring other residency options in light of this. It's important to find a place where you feel comfortable and accepted.
We feel incredibly fortunate to be a part of the Vilcabamba community, and it's heartwarming to know that you recognize the strength of our community as a valuable asset. The support we receive from people like you is what keeps us going.
Thank you so much for your prayers for the family. We wish you all the best in your endeavors, Bob. If you ever need anything or have any more thoughts to share, feel free to reach out. Take care!
"Not to blame immigration..." but a lot of it is due to immigration. And there are other reasons, too.
All those expats.
Hello nice to hear from you all. I'm concerned you didn't mention about what happened to the 4 people who did the attack. I find it odd you would not elaborate on capturing the perpetrators! It's disappointing to hear somebody had to die. But to not find out who did this?? What will be the outcome? Why?? Did this happen?? The only solution is to gain your training to own a gun. Get armed!!
Hi Al,
According to the information that we were given, none of 4 perpetrators were apprehended as of today. An investigation is in process, and we understand that there is a list of suspects. We hope that the police are successful at discovering and apprehending the people behind this tragic and heinous crime.
Unbelievable they haven’t caught them yet , wtf are they doing?
The issue for expats is that you can’t legally defend yourself. If you shoot Ecuadorians trying to kill you, you still go to jail. It appears, based on my research, expats don’t legally matter as much as local criminals. And local criminals have small consequences for these actions. Not to mention, many local police don’t do their jobs. When a woman and her friends were kidnapped a while back, when they escaped and went to police, they said their shift was ending soon and to wait for the next shift. Many hours later and still no help for these expats.
Let's organize in vigilant groups, could prevent some abuse. Have a telephone line to give support. It can be a great contribution.
I'm used to having a firearm within reach or on my person. I don't know if I could give that up. Obviously the criminals had a firearm, so was that a legal gun? Carrying a gun makes you much more aware of what's going on around you. Being a victim of such a crime is life changing and I feel sorry for this family. I feel it's a GOD given right to protect yourself and your family, and anyone in distress.
Hi, Ecuador recently relaxed gun ownership/carrying restrictions making it easier to legally own and carry a firearm.
Street smarts? How the F would that prevent a home invasion with multiple men attacking a family?
I carry pepper spray in places I can't have a gun, stopped someone from mugging me with a machete in Quito.
Have the authorities identified and arrested the perpetrators?
No
Yes, it appears several if not all have been arrested.
So they have relaxed firearm carry laws, so you can get a permit and then they have gun stores to buy a firearm ?
I am guessing we can bring a firearm with us ?
Thx !
Okay Guys, exactly where do you live. You all are so North American, so I am guessing you live in an expat community. My first rule in moving anywhere in Ecuador was to move where only Spanish was spoken. For the last eleven years, after 68 years in the U.S., I have lived in one of the most popular tourist towns in northern Ecuador. My townhouse is on the main intersection and I rarely lock my door., except at night. I left the U.S. behind. I chose to live in center city. I live within two blocks of anything necessary for life. I can walk the streets day or night and never feel unsafe. My neighbors are like family. In the U.S. I was on call 24/7 for twenty years and I rarely saw my neighbors while living in an upscale community within a walk to the beach. I have traveled the World, solo, and lived in many places and never had one problem. Let's face it, Quito and Guayaquil are another New York City. Many expats move into expat communities and seem to feel they need a wall around them. That wall tells anyone who needs money, that you must have something important that you want to keep safe. And, quite honestly, I avoid expats as they complain a lot. French expats are much nicer than U.S. expats. My main advice to incoming expats is that when they get off the plane in Ecuador, it is just like landing on Mars. Anyone coming here should have spent time reading the Ecuadorian newspapers and watching Ecuadorian television. Our town has cameras up and down the streets and we now have a security warning system in most stores where all they have to do is push a button for an immediate sound outside. We just do not have the problems a lot of Ecuador is starting to experience and a lot has started with the large amount of Venezuelans. People need to do some research and prepare for changes in their lives. I had planned to retire to Italy and yet here I am. Safe and sound in Ecuador, where I found the nicest people in the World. I did not come here to lie in a community of U.S. expats. What purpose would that serve. As you said sir, this is a different place to live. I have not one complaint. My advice would be, if you think you might want to move to Ecuador, at least 6 months before a visit, starting reading El Comercio and El Universo and learn at least a little Spanish. Greet everyone you meet on the street and smile. And take time to visit different areas of Ecuador before you settle. And make native, both indigenous and indigenous friends, as once they realize you are serious about becoming Ecuadorian, they adopt you. You appreciate them especially in times of protest. All of a sudden you are one with Ecuador and no longer think like a North American.
Solid advice.
This family lived so remotely it should be safe. They had to hike in. 23:51 They were not
wealthy. They had dogs. They were stalked. Now we believe they went to wrong house. I hope they don't attempt another home. Be safe.
Prayers for the family
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Thank you for the video and sorry to hear of the tragedy! Question, we are planning to move to the area, and wondering as someone with very limited Spanish, if something like a home invasion were to happen, is there a number like 911 that can be called and do the police come to help? Also, do you know, if an intruder were to be shot by the home owner, is the home owner going to be jammed up by the police for shooting the bad guy?
Hi Kathy, yes, the police in fact have an easy way to register your domicile with them so that you can just press a button on your phone and they automatically come to your house, no phone call necessary. The self defense laws are a hot button debate, one that we all hope will change to make self defense better protected under the law.
Why do you want to move to a place where you don't speak the language?
Hi guys Mary from Hawaii watching....
Didn’t this family live in a gated community....or not. Also did they catch the guys that did it and where were the assailants from? Cant believe it’s been a year since we were there come July wow. My heart goes out to that family and the children......lives alerted in permanency :(
Assailants were natives. The lived extremely remote. They now believe the went to wrong house. That's very scarry.
They lived in a very remote area, not gated, could have been mistaken identity, assailants origin not currently known.
It is about time boys……..
How sad, no safe places to go around the world....
Bro Japan lol
Such a sad, tragic, and traumatic experience for the family! So shocking for Vilcabamba and it’s residents (and for Ecuador)! Have the killers been apprehended? This does not sound like the temperament of Ecuadorians? Could it be ......?
Tragic for sure! It seems some of the perpetrators have been caught, we are trying to confirm. Very likely this was not Ecuadorians who committed the crime.
You could feed the lil guy more. Looks like 2 operators and logistics guy. Luv you guys though.
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Thanks so much for sharing and, so sorry to hear this - again...heard it from others in the area yesterday...it's NOT ok...anyone know the nationality of the perpetrators??
A LOT could be said about this ...as always when things like this happen...and, one very positive thing to all of you from Dublin today: You have what many Europeans clearly do not have: Your community!!!
Europeans mostly just walk away from crimes...don't want to be involved, don't care about anyone but themselves which I find more than sad and, one of the main reasons I stopped travel mainland Europe years ago..
Yes, I know Ecuador is not safe everywhere....neither is Europe..."leaders" of my continent are just more experienced in hiding/covering up etc..
The countries in which I have had things destroyed, been robbed etc happen to be the old places, selling themselves as "the happiest in the world" but doesn't seem to care about communities at all - only about themselves...and my question to these places is: "Is this what you call happiness?" Really Europe???
My plans of moving to Ecuador for my retirement is still very, very real and yes, I know very well Ecuador isn't paradise...NO country is..
Ecuador however, do have her communities and, the people get along and help each other. In other words...dear Carl. ..the European police is NOT always ok... corruption is sky-high here.. .so yes, community!!! Ecuador is at least as good as Europe...crimes might be different but not less...far from...
Be careful about your communities...it pays off and yes, a dog, an iguana and alarm systems..to protect myself as well as the things the Danes have already stolen..hence, to protect the person I. Not a gun...I would not be secure with such one..but yes, close community living to good good people...
Thanks a lot for sharing, take care, enjoy your weekend and please, keep on being the people you are 💕💓💕
PS and yes - world wide - following the "agenda" - the sad, sad "agenda"...
A lovely person from Chile whom I just met this morning said that "maybe they've gone more than too far this time and we- the people will stop the "agenda's" now - once and forever"
I agree.. we have to stop the madness around us or, we just need to learn to go on...our very own way...no more Colonial agenda's...
You in Vilcabamba and the Loja area are actually a good example for exactly this - thanks 💕💓💕
the sense of community might be a thing in small cities, or towns but not all Ecuador. I am from Quito, born and raised(the capital) unfortunately in big cities the sense of community disappeared a long time ago.
@@slatskatya I know and, this being in Ecuador as everywhere else....one of my reasons for highlighting Vilcabamba as a good example
If good can be done one place, it may be worth trying in other places right 👍
I absolutely love you comments! I live in the United States and planning to retire in Ecuador and can’t wait to do so.
Crime is everywhere, and worst than what is going on in Ecuador, and Vilcabamba.
I saw on another channel this man is advising people not to move to Vilcabamba, and I am wondering what planet is he living on.
I deeply regret the fact that this lady got killed, however, I don’t see any reason why I should change my plans to move to Ecuador.
Again, thanks for sharing your thoughts. I rarely participate in responding to any anything I read, usually I just watch.
Do stay safe and see you in Ecuador one day🤩😁
Wise words, thanks for your thoughts/comment!
I feel so sorry for the family that had the very tragic loss. My heart goes out to them.
One of the men committed that he and his family was from Rockford IL.
My wife had a very good friend from Rockford named Kim Bergstrom.
I know there is a lot of people up there but did you happen to know her?
Have a great day.
I can't seem to locate that article in the news?? I did see that 3 young ladies age about 19 and 20. April 5, 2023 Were on a beach near quininde northern Ecuador were brutally tortured, killed and buried. Can you elaborate on the vilcabamba incident???
The news source "The Independent" has a good unbiased report about this case.
So do the Daily Mail & The NY Post, but the NY Post is completely biased--and the posted comments below the story being some of the most stupidest I've ever read.
As for Ecuador's online newspaper, El Universo, I've found absolutely nothing about this.
unfortunately the international publications I've seen with articles on the incident have been absurdly inaccurate.
Hi Guys,
Sorry to hear about that lady, and I feel bad for the family and well. However, I will not allow the incident to stop me from moving to Ecuador. Living in the U.S. you wake up hearing about crimes every single day. So I will not listen or watch what this naysayers have to say.
Keep up the good work you guys are doing and I good luck with your upcoming retreat in July.
Love you all!!
Thanks Velma, we hold a similar perspective all around. Have a great day!
Translation: "I am going to ignore reality because YOLO"
So sorry for the family! Crime here in the States is escalating. The grid is week here. Its supposed to be a bad winter. Protect the children. Head on a swivel for sure.
Thanks for watching Robert. Hope the winter is treating you well! 🥶
Interesting that this happens now. I have been entertaining the idea of moving to Ecuador and doing exactly what this family was doing. I don’t want live in a gated community with security. I didn’t get many details except two men were beaten and the woman was shot and killed. Seems strange that 4 men would feel the need to kill some one if they just wanted to rob them. Anybody have more details?
She was shot trying to save her father who was repeatedly stabbed.
Does any one know what they wanted. If they wanted money they obviously could have just ransacked the house. Did she have a gun is that why they shot her instead of just beating and stabbing her. Just trying to make sense of it.
Hi Michael, there's all kinds of rumors, including mistaken identity, it seems some of the perpetrators were caught but we're still trying to confirm that, the whole thing makes no sense.
The news source "The Independent" has a good unbiased report about this case.
So do the Daily Mail & The NY Post, but the NY Post is completely biased--and the posted comments below the story being some of the most stupidest I've ever read.
As for Ecuador's online newspaper, El Universo, I've found absolutely nothing about this.
@@AbundantLivingEcuador I agree..totally senseless and cruel.
Where are you from? Do you mean in Ecuador or are you in the USA or what country?
There's home invasions everyday in Los Angeles and San Diego. Sure you think about it but it's all about common sense. I have lived in Guadalajara, Mexico and Puerto Vallarta. There's no need to flash your wealth. Get to know your surroundings and neighbor's. This does not change or plan's to move to Vilcabamba.
They were not wealthy. They were not flashy. They were private, hard-working
people. Mom was 3:31 shot in front of her daughter. These men are thugs and cowards. And they are still out there !
This family was not flashing any "wealth".. they were an immigrant family living on a rural farm who also helped out the nearby community with their produce and other services. The vicious thugs intentionally & specifically went up to their land to do them harm, probably having already "researched" who lived there, assuming that they were just "rich americanos" living it up.
Agreed, thanks for your thoughts.
Then don't live in LA or San Diego. The US is a large country.
Sir, is it safe to go in august 2023 for vacation?
How would they know the future?
Hi Brian! Although we can’t see the future, If we thought it was unsafe to live here we would move. It’s generally one of the safest places I’ve ever lived. Hope that helps and thanks for watching!
Did they get the murderers?
There's been some reports that they have caught some, we are trying to confirm.
Months ago I recommended that the. Municipality of Vilcabamba or Malacatos block the main entrance with a toll with guards so that only those who live there and those who do not live must identify themselves and pay a toll fee.
So basically another gated community, only bigger.
I've been planning for the past 6 years (long story - delays) to finally make the move to Vilcabamba. My dream has been to buy a small finca, where I could have a few animals, chickens, and a garden. I've been planning on bringing my treasures - furniture, some antiques, and other "things" that I realize now may give the illusion to some, of perceived wealth. As a single, older woman I never had concerns about my safety. I am now thinking I may have to give up my dream of a little farm and the freedom to live a happy healthy life. This horrendous murder and the general increase in crime in my beloved Sierra are just heartbreaking... Since I refuse to even consider living in a gated community, I'm now reconsidering all of my plans. My prayers go out to the family and friends of the murdered woman and the community.
Hey Diana! Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us. It's amazing that you've been planning for the past six years to make the move to Vilcabamba. Your dream of owning a small finca with animals, chickens, and a garden sounds absolutely wonderful!
We understand that recent events, such as the horrendous murder and the increase in crime, have caused you to reconsider your plans and think about your safety. We want to assure you that your concerns are valid, and your well-being is of utmost importance.
While living in a gated community is one option, we completely respect your preference for a different lifestyle. Rest assured, there are ways to keep your property safe and enhance your security. For instance, having a guard dog, installing a security system, or participating in a neighborhood watch program can greatly contribute to your peace of mind.
We are here to assist you in finding a safe area with good neighbors who prioritize community well-being. We can help you identify neighborhoods and properties where like-minded individuals value safety and look out for one another. It's important to remember that Vilcabamba still offers many beautiful and secure areas where you can live your dream of a little farm and enjoy a happy, healthy life.
However, it's essential to acknowledge that Ecuador, like any other place, may not be for everyone. While we absolutely love it and think it's amazing, we understand that it might not align with everyone's preferences or comfort levels. It's crucial to carefully consider your own needs, expectations, and comfort when making such a significant decision.
If you need any specific guidance or assistance in exploring safety measures or finding the right neighborhood, please don't hesitate to reach out. We're here to support you throughout this journey. Your dream is valuable, Diana, and we believe there's a way to make it a reality while prioritizing your safety and peace of mind.
Take care, and stay positive. We're confident that with the right precautions and a supportive community, you can still achieve your dream in Vilcabamba.
I recommend still going. It's safer than San Diego or Los Angeles where my wife and I live. Find a place close to town. Bring your stuff and secure your home. If you question your antique things sell some. We are selling all of our expensive items and moving end of year. The trade of of clean air, clean water, organic food far outweighs antiques and paintings. Many are going to our children. Best if luck to you. 😊
Vilca has had a chronic history of home invasions since before 2011, difference now is the rise in violent desperation of the cartel criminals post Covid. As a 10 year EC resident in Cuenca, we are seeing armed home invasions here in upscale Puerta Del Sol (GringoLandia) and Challuabamba both expat preferred areas. EC has been contaminated by drug Cartels aka “gang” mass shootings almost weekly, now killing innocents including children. Anyone saying EC is safer than SanDiego etc doesn’t have full facts. EC is NOT the paradise it once was. I would recommend looking at another CONTINENT altogether. Sad, since these crimes seem to only escalate their intensity. My plan is to exit EC.
@@glenncapitanio3706 Moving from the St Louis area (Murder Capital) so I'm used to caution, but the break-in stuff is terrifying. Already given some jewelry and silver service (my mother's) to my niece, but I hate the thought of leaving everything...
@@glenncapitanio3706 The US has clean air, clean water, and organic food 🙄
The problem is the Venezuelians are crossing the border with no problem and bringing crime to Ecuador. It’s same problem in South Africa, they suffer from imported crime from countries bordering the North side…
The attack on the residence reminded me of what Charles Manson did to the residence of the. Television and Sharon State Producer
Yes, indeed. Charles Manson was a deranged but charismatic cult leader, and his disciples were pathetic losers--all the while specifically targeting the film star Sharon Tate to send a message to the world. But that type of mass murder in 1969 was a very very rare thing in the USA of that time (and unheard of in the Ecuador of 1969). But gradually the USA, since the 1960s & 1970s, was becoming more violent, and today, after 50 years, the USA is the most violent First World industrialized country in the world. However, Ecuador is catching up; for a small country, Ecuador is fast becoming a new Mexico or another Honduras, complete with a useless government & weak law "enforcement".
Sadly, the entire world is now more violent & insecure, from the top to the bottom.