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thank you for featuring a num pad. I don't understand tho. you used a keyboard missing all the f keys. so ... um... yah.. thanks i guess.... btw- howdy hey! you're super awesome i'm just giving you a hard time because numpad gang for life! 💙💙💙💙💙💙
Have you ever given a Howdy-Hey to a Southpaw? It is a nice "best of both worlds" layout, but there are not a lot of options available (Keychron Q12 being about it for name brands).
I've had this keyboard (V65 V2) for a long time. I have the fully built model in white (yes there is a white version, not just the beige). I am typing on it right now. It's an amazing keyboard and I bought it for $100, again fully built. It's a steal. My stabs were perfect out of the box. It's a heavy board and feels premium. I love how easy it is to move between bluetooth and wired just by plugging the cable in and using some shortcut keys. FYI, it was also sold as the Finalkey V65 and a few other names.
So how would you describe the colour of the white version, is it "white white" or closer to eggshell white? I'm thinking of getting one but am scared it will be too eggshell white.
Separating the down motion (key compress) and key return (key rebound sound) with longer pause would make the sound test so much better and this review perfect. We all know that o-ring will silent the compression of the key, but how to silent key rebound? Well done.
I’m not an accountant, but I *am* a teacher 🥺 it’s so much faster for me to input grades with a numpad. And for all the time I spend at my teacher desk, I would love to bring my pink and red keyboard to work... but no numpad 😔 currently using my old AF original iMac keyboard and hockey puck mouse
Very cool and clean build! There’s also the v75 pre built with matte switches and that has the assembly screws separate from the rubber feet. I think that goes for around 145$ after tax on amazon rn. I picked it up a couple weeks ago and it’s very solid. Sounds great out of the box with the only issue being the spacebar needing some dielectric grease. 🙏🏽
I am guessing people who don't use numpad are people who don't work with numbers at all. Because if you do use a keyboard that has a numpad at work you end up using it a lot at home too. Same goes for the F row.
My only issue with separate numpads is that they cost like half the amount of a full 104 key keyboard. Like the amazing keychron k4 v2, which I spent $100 buying durock dolphin switches and the equipment to mod it. If I could get a barebones keychron k4 v2 or a similar 96% with a knob and some macro keys on the left side for under $100 I'd be a happy boy! But with more advanced features like foam, gaskets and aftermarket stabilizers then I'd expect those to come in barebones around $150 or less. Because I prefer silent switches and it seems like not very many boards offer them, I'll almost always be putting them in myself thus me wanting barebones. I also like having wireless/Bluetooth too. If I could get a wired and wireless hotswap barebones numpad for $20-30 then maybe it would be worth it. Since I'll be putting durock dolphins in it. But no way I'm spending $50 for 1/10th a keyboard 😂
The reason I like a built in numpad is because I use Alt codes often when writing in Spanish (I’m a Spanish teacher). I found out the hard what that an external numpad doesn’t work with Alt codes.
It does if you assign an Alt key on the numpad itself Also you can just do that with layers on a smaller keyboard. Even without qmk/via - can be done with ahk.
I have the same problem, but learned if you're on a Windows system, you can use Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator to assign characters to keys. Now I can type áéíóúñ by holding the right alt key and pressing the letter (actually, I press shift as well, because I have Greek letters mapped to the same keys for math/stats writing). It's much faster than using the alt codes. Now I'm wondering if you could do the same thing but easier with via.
Um or you can just program any shortcut you want with via? And why do u need alt codes then? U guys know that on windows you can swap to latam kb with a single shortcut and back to enus the same right? And that u dont need alt codes to type accents if u swap kb layout in os? You have a normal, grave, umlaut and a few other accent modifiers available at the os level on every keyboard regardless if you simply configure it correctly
I had the V2 revision of this keyboard, but recently Cidoo launched a V3 with 2.4GHz connectivity. I bought the V3 revision entirely because of that, and to my surprise it also sounds substantially better than the older version, but in their webpage they don't mention anything about it! It would be interesting to take a look at that.
I used to be one of the people who desperately wanted a keyboard with a numpad. Then I caved and got a 75% keyboard. It turns out I do not, in fact, need a numpad. 75 for life.
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I came across these videos and am genuinely curious what the point is in paying so much for a keyboard? Is it pure asthetics, ASMR, or a hobby thing? Or is it a retro thing since these keyboards resemble ones from 1994.
@@brendajameson5093 basicly the sound BUT if you have like a membrane or a terrible loud annoying mechanical keyboard, bying a good keyboard with good sound and cool aesthetics or having to press less for gaming Just Improves your working/gaming conditions and makes typing more enjoyable
Hey Hipyo I started my Mechanical keyboard life 6 years ago with a Corsair K66 with cherry reds. I am still using it and, on a whim, looked up modding and found your channel and completed my 1st mods "taping" my pcb and dielectric grease the stabs? the results were night and day. As this keyboard has soldered in keys its about the limit of time and effort to put in to it. I have now started my journey/ research to building my 1st full custom KB thank you and keep up the content.
As a game developer, full 100% layout or bust. There's always some funny keyboard shortcut that won't work with FN key combination nonsense. This makes for keyboard shopping nothing short of frustrating when 90% of the market only seems to be nothing but 60% layouts or thereabouts. TKL + Numpad is a solution if you can spare the extra USB, but that's not a compromise one should have to make. Anyone who's ever used Blender will know the importance of a numpad lol
I got a 75% custom keyboard recently and while the day to day experience is great I still often find myself reaching for where my numpad use to be whenever I need to type numbers or even just to hit enter with my right thumb sometimes. I also do like the numpad because a lot of games support them and you can often put your more complicated but less often keybindings off onto it (like engine controls for flight combat games.)
enter with the thumb is the best! i miss it too. I got a tkl because i have to have my fkeys and i have to have my insert/home/end/etc. all the 75's out there are missing keys that i use thousands of times a day. no. i can't replace those with multi key shortcuts. I can't. i wont. you shouldn't either. (howdy hey)
i got one of those mice with the 12 buttons on the side (the dragon brand, not the overpriced snake brand) and i have the 9 button set to it's actually nicer than numpad enter... but i still miss numpad enter... ngl...
@bush359 im a programmer. I dont want shortcuts for pg up,down, end and home, and insert and delete. Those are critical keys . No 75 can possibly replace actual keys
I have the 80% of this keyboard, (and the numpad) and I like it. The one thing that drives me nuts is the feet on the numbpad are slickly less thick than the main keyboard, so they height doesn't line up perfectly. They make silent versions of their switches that are also good, if that's your thing. And yes, it's a boring design. Screws are not under the feat on the 80%! They also have the nutso V33 which has a numpad, the home/insert, etc and arrow keys.
Great video as always. You're missing one key detail: Although it's VIA compatible, the VIA programmability sucks compared to full QMK boards. No mod-tap, double-tap, no macros that include timing, and many other QMK bits are just missing. You have to manually load the .json, and then it's trial and error to see what commands they bothered to include, and you can't save/load profiles. If you want to move a macro from one key to the other, you must remake it every time. And even though you can program the knob, the board will only respect the knob mappings on the first layer. If you've programmed a keyboard with VIA/QMK, this is just bad. No keyboard RUclipsr has bothered to point out these deficiencies, which are very important for some users' productivity. This seems to be a widespread problem with wireless keyboards that advertise "VIA", but not "VIA/QMK". It would help the community if reviewers pointed this out. I still love these Cidoo boards for what they are. I have a V75, which is a bit nicer than the V65: it has built in forcebreak pads and basically everything is slightly improved over the V65, including the gasket issues you point out here. It also includes screw in stabs that are properly lubed and don't tick, plus a cool magnetic dongle storage cubby under the logo, for the 2.4ghz wireless that the V65 also lacks. Oh, and the feet are no longer on top of the screw holes. And I love Rick and Morty as much as you do, but your own creativity is more engaging than your impressions. They're pretty good impressions, but I think they take away from your style, instead of adding to it. This is a compliment, it's much more entertaining when you just do you. Your brand is distinctive and entertaining, moreso without imitating others.
@@stanum2169 Did you read my full post? I list a bunch of deficiencies immediately after mod-tap and double-tap. Please read the full paragraph. I don't know which other numpads to buy, but I would only buy one that specifically advertises QMK, which will probably be not wireless.
numpads are built in stream decks, aligned directional keys, etc. a lot of the angst, is if keyboards without it become the de-facto standard, a huge number of production and design programs (including the ones they design the keyboards with) will have a lot less space to put shortcuts that don't need a control, or shift, or alt. In blender, the numpad is how you turn to cardinal directions, nudge your view, and grow/shrink selections. you can do that with the number bar, but good luck figuring out if 4 or 8 is "up" or "left"
Could you please say which one is the best keyboard ever which have best sound and numpad to build my typing speed and accuracy of programming pls answer me !
As someone who's currently struggling looking for their new keyboard, any other num pads people would suggest? With the work I do at home a numpad is HUGE for me, but I keep finding 65% keyboards that leave me feeling left out on options
I bought this keyboard due to this video and it is simply put the nicest typing experience I have ever had. Great recommendation, absolutely high quality feeling board and keys.
The reason i like a full (instead of 96%) is the location for home/end/page up/down etc... I get why people want smaller, but some of us actually like the larger ones. And a small keyboard with the numpad still isnt the same. Now if we're comparing to 96% then i do agree a seperate numpad is nice. But if you want the full sized keyboard, thats really the form factor you want.
If you buy this board, I advise placing the bottom feet beside the holes for the screws. The result is a slightly elevated profile, but you can access the screws so it's a worthy sacrifice.
holy shit this is genius. kills two birds with one stone for me since i wanted a slightly elevated profile. i was able to reuse the first adhesive feet after modding it so i can just use the second set they put in the box. great idea thank you
Your sound test was the most accurate of all the other videos I watched. Pleasantly surprised to see it's just a little more deeper/poppy-er in person. I've canceled my order of memory foam and electric tape.
You know, lack of F row keys in 99% of these products is very indicative of their market. If you use these keyboards for office work, you can't drop the F row.
honestly one of the best videos that you have made on a entertainment and watch level. I love all of your content though and you're my go to guy for keyboard related things.
I didn't need a numpad until I worked data entry. I bought a separate pad because it's actually far more comfortable for me to have the numpad on one end of the desk and the keyboard on the other side, and I place the orders in the middle.
I used to thin I needed a numpad until I actually tried to live without it and it just worked out. The only time I felt its absence was typing special characters and there are ways around that if it's not something you have to do often.
Picked up a white pre-built one of these "used" but never opened for about half the price and it's amazing. As noted in another comment I already had some of these switches in another board and like them but this truly sounds amazing, especially for the price I paid. On the pre-built it looks like none of the diffusers are installed so I'll have to do that, they come in a separate bag -- worth noting when I moved mine from one keyboard to another a few months ago they all fell out like yours - thank goodness that doesn't happen with the Morandi as I have WAY too many of those. I do not like the font and the keys are dye sub but they are VERY thick and sound great. Was planning on putting on a set of DROP DCX WOB but might keep these on for a while instead. Thanks for the video, I probably would have ignored this video and picked up a Q2 Pro... not that I really needed another 65% as I primarily use my Neo65 but... dang this hobby is a money drain, lol.
I only use numpad for fighting games, because we use numpad numbers. Like 5S or neutral slash, 6k or forward kick. Yeah, THE only thing that numpad good for
There are multiple games I play that have casual use of the numpad, for me, if a keyboard doesnt have one, its not a fully functional keyboard. I'm using a desktop for crying out loud, I'm not here to sacrifice functionality for compactness.
It's not the num pad that ruins me. It's the lack of additional real estate for specific keys like print screen. Hold on. Yes, I know. But in MY situation, I do not have one. I'd have to effectively mod it in, which is fine, but the fact that no matter what, I have to make a sacrifice somewhere. It bothers me lol I like my options
The real reason a lot of keyboards are smaller than 100% is simply due to manufacturing costs. Just the PCB cost alone jumps significantly in price, not because of just extra material per board, but because PCBs are produced in massive sheets where you have to nest individual boards with the goal of reducing waste; i.e. smaller boards just tesselate the mother PCB better. Then on top of that you also have other costs that require more material. Then furthering that you have aditional switch and keycap costs, etc. Then you can get into the opinionated debates of layouts, desk space, usage, and aesthetics. But there is one fact here, the 100% we know today hails from when computers were consoles without a separate pointing device, this is why we have the navigation cluster, and why the numpad is often an shift-key nav pad. Another fact is that mice historically have not needed massive sweeping motions like our modern high-DPI gaming uses do. Just like the fact that our typical keyboard layout hails from the days of the typewriter, even if this isn't the most efficient way to type, though typewriters didn't have much choice due to physical constraints. This is where things start getting so heavily opinionated, because it comes down to what your use actually entails. Though I will say, my opinion is that modern layouts should be southpaw, they just make more sense no matter what your use is, editing, graphics, CAD, gaming, etc., any task that mainly uses the mouse with keystrokes (which is virtually all modern programs) would benefit from a left keypad, your left hand has less distance to move which in turn gives your right hand less distance to move if you need the right half of the alpha cluster; the only exception to this is if you're using a left-handed mouse, then a 'standard' 100% becomes the correct choice, but then again how many people are actually using left handed mice given the market and given that you can learn to use your non-dominant hand for something as simple as a mouse; i.e the desk peripherals are a weird non-cohesive mix of what should be right and left handed. Though my other opinion is that I think numpads themselves are inherently limited, unless all you do is basic number entry with simple digits and basic arithmetic, I'm not saying to put the entirety of math symbols onto a numpad but there's so many quality of life improvements that could be had if the numpad was even just slightly expanded on, even as a macropad the typical 4x5 is just limited and you're not always guaranteed the entire 20 keys as you'll likely end up with a few less, so even just as a macro grid the numpad layout is inherently limited; and another argument of southpaw layouts, a left hand numpad would have access to backspace, delete, text cursor navigation, and symbols like commas, slashes, and the variety of brackets, because all of this is easily accessed by the right hand on most layouts from TKL down to 75% layouts and _some_ 65% layouts, just from the southpaw aspect numpad use already gets expanded on by just properly appropriating which hands are on which keys while only using shift as a partial-use modifier, though mod layers can alleviate this but most boards out of the box don't do more than a shift layer and again the numpad is typically a navpad under the shift layer. I'll also give another opinion, maybe the typical standard desk setup isn't the most optimal, it's the most universal in terms of what's typically used and does come from historical aspects (typewriters and keyboard-only console computers), but I think there's other solutions that can be adapted to that would be much better than what's currently typical, and that starts with what split ergo boards start to get into beyond your typical alphanumerical cluster, with more mod layers, the option of trackballs/trackpads/other pointers on a thumb cluster, more efficient layouts, etc., the issue is that people don't like to adapt even if it can be proven to be better in various aspects (See the issue of the learning curve of the Steam Controller compared to the absolute powerhouse of usability the SC was for reference, people didn't want to adapt and the product tapered off until the frivolous Scuf lawsuit happened and killed the physical product, though the software side still lives on as Steam Input API, which is still a powerhouse of what controller software can be); what we're bound to in terms of what's typical really is not the best or even the most efficient, and there's some unique ideas out there like what @lynxware-org is doing with their macro-pointer device(s), or similarly the Azeron Cyro, and while _these_ might not be the best for typist use you can also see how these concepts could evolve into something that leans into what could be typist-friendly, _and there's so many more projects and concepts out there to explore._ See how opinions get a bit out of hand when debates start to have no factual basis outside of anecdotes, comparisons, and studies?
I've been watching your videos for a while now as I just began to get a new keyboard (Keychron V3) and I changed the switches for the Gamakay Phoenix and I love them. Keyboards and switches' world is amazing! Anyway, keep going your amazing work and videos, they are great! Just heard your tunes on Spotify, love them! Keep it up! Cheers from Switzerland!
I like being able to fit my keyboard in my back pocket or slide it out of the way between my monitor mounts, so I don't really appreciate numpad. I'm getting to the point now where I might even use a 40% with arrow keys because numbers are dumb and layers exist.
Hipyo you are a saint. I have spent the last two days poking around for a new 60%, as the only one I have is the RK61 that I got when I started the hobby (thank you), so I wanted something with a little more heft my like my SENSE75. It was impossible for me to find a 60% for $100-$150 that has an aluminum body as they are either out of stock, $30 or $200. This is EXACTLY what I was looking for. I am so excited to open this tomorrow when it arrives. great content as always
Was hoping for a review of this boards from you. Just recently I picked up the v65 and was so impressed with it that I also got the v75 and I'm keeping bout.
I just entered the market for a new keyboard and literally every one I am interested in is not in stock. The V65 doesn't deliver to my area AZ. Like ya boy struggling with these razors that break 1 month after warranty ends (both my razor keyboards did this and I complained to them just to hear too bad its out of warranty, here is 10$ off).
Any keyboard that has a numpad on the right side that isn't detachable is a disgrace to all that is keyboards. Right sided numpads have never made sense. If you're using your mouse in an app where you need to type a lot of numbers or do a lot of calculations then you have two choices... either take your hand off your mouse every time you need to type a number in then go back to the mouse to click around the app.... orrrrrr you can have two hands so uncomfortably close it's ridiculous. Neither makes sense. Whoever designed the original qwerty keyboard layout was high
I prefer 75% keyboards AND a separate numpad! I'm right-handed, and don't want my mouse to be way out there in right field, so I set my numpad up on the left side of the keyboard. It doesn't take that much to get used to using your left hand for the numpad, and my mouse stays in a comfortable spot. Actually, I've always wondered why the standard, full-size keyboard layout didn't change long ago after mice became a necessity, moving the numpad to the left side.
Im so glad you reviewed this board. I bought this board a couple weeks ago and noticed there werent many quality reviews on it. *This keyboard is nice but you have to make sure you dont remap the usb mode key otherwise if you accidentally turn on the board you cant turn off the bluetooth or connect to via.* Also, if you take the feet off often you can place a tape under the feet and use it as a handle to remove the feet easily. Oh and the mint switches are really good if you get them. The quake switches are hit or miss since the ones in my first board are really scratchy. The keycaps are super thick and are some of the best stock ones ive felt
I recently purchased a Keychron Q5 barebones and after building it and trying it out, I’m still a bit unhappy it isn’t a 100%. This isn’t for gaming, I work in IT and I want a better typing experience for work. Why is there so little love for 100% keyboards? Why is there no love for business users? Do I need to buy a Model M to find the love I’m looking for?
talking shit about ppl who wnat numpads when fullsize keyboards are still the most common layout is wild. the truth is if you don't want a numpad you either make videos for a living or are a student working on a laptop. lol ok not that drastic but it is still a very convenient thing to have for ppl who do data input. so to pretend numpads are not a desired feature of a keyboard is silly. it constantly disappoints me as someone who loves how some of these boards look but hates how so many of the keys i would use are missing.
8:19 I got the board for a built that would be used in a dark area, and got shine through caps. But as best I can tell, there is no way to just set it to one select color. VIA has a bunch of different epic gamer RGB modes, but no "just backlight the keys with this color that matches my setup".... if anyone knows how to do this, let me know.
Like you I really like the WS Morandi, however I have a very flexy Q1 Pro build that the stem wobble was a little too much on the F Row so I tried these Matte switches and love them. The lighting is great like on the Morandi but there is less wobble. The sound is a little higher to me and they aren't as sooth but very close in both areas making them a great choice for the price!
All these budget keyboards used to be for people who couldn't afford a "brand" like razer or hyperx or whatever. Now they're 3 times the price and are preferred over prebuilt brand keyboards. Gotta stop using the word budget cause custom keyboards are way above affordable nowadays.
funny thing is that it has the same stock stabs as GMK 67 (personally I've changed it to modded panda v3). So as the plate is the same))) I like v87 pro. But this one...
I personally don't like numpad, for me it's a waste of space having duplicate numbers and i don't want to dedicate one hand just got numbers rather than lifting your finger one for higher
can you try to mod the cheapest full-size (function keys, del, end, ins, etc., arrow keys, numpad, the whole shebang) not hot-swapable mechanical keyboard for around $50 total (including the keyboard)?
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thank you for featuring a num pad. I don't understand tho. you used a keyboard missing all the f keys. so ... um... yah.. thanks i guess.... btw- howdy hey! you're super awesome i'm just giving you a hard time because numpad gang for life! 💙💙💙💙💙💙
what are your opinion on epomakers bontanic garden keycaps? thinking abt them for my build, thanks!
Bro where can I get a all blue keyboard kit like the keycaps
Have you ever given a Howdy-Hey to a Southpaw? It is a nice "best of both worlds" layout, but there are not a lot of options available (Keychron Q12 being about it for name brands).
@@holdenhodgdon3756 i literally almost bought that!!!! I got the q3 pro knob instead. because knob of course. Let us know how it goes!!!
It's ironic that Mr. Numpad doesn't have a Numpad.
you used to say i didn’t have to, and now you’re saying i should. i feel so betrayed Mr. Hippopotamus Technology.
I'm UNPREDICTABLE
@@HipyoTechan unpredictable hippo... interesting 😂😅
@@Demontyxl hippos are very unpredictable and dangerous. That's why I wouldn't ever go to a fan meeting with him. Who knows what he would do?
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@@HipyoTechday 20 of asking where can I get a all blue keyboard kit
I've had this keyboard (V65 V2) for a long time. I have the fully built model in white (yes there is a white version, not just the beige). I am typing on it right now. It's an amazing keyboard and I bought it for $100, again fully built. It's a steal. My stabs were perfect out of the box. It's a heavy board and feels premium. I love how easy it is to move between bluetooth and wired just by plugging the cable in and using some shortcut keys. FYI, it was also sold as the Finalkey V65 and a few other names.
So how would you describe the colour of the white version, is it "white white" or closer to eggshell white? I'm thinking of getting one but am scared it will be too eggshell white.
Separating the down motion (key compress) and key return (key rebound sound) with longer pause would make the sound test so much better and this review perfect.
We all know that o-ring will silent the compression of the key, but how to silent key rebound?
Well done.
I’m not an accountant, but I *am* a teacher 🥺 it’s so much faster for me to input grades with a numpad. And for all the time I spend at my teacher desk, I would love to bring my pink and red keyboard to work... but no numpad 😔 currently using my old AF original iMac keyboard and hockey puck mouse
Love the separate numpad, but keyboards without an ISO layout is an absolute no-go for me.
Be me : wanting an ISO layout, a integrated numpad and cry away. And I'm not even talking about the (lack of) availability of french iso keycaps. :'D
Same, also the F row. Like....how?
@@sentient.ball.of.stardust F-row I manage without as long as I can get to it through layers.
@@Paco15151 Keychron has ISO german layout, closest thing I can get for you my man.
Very cool and clean build! There’s also the v75 pre built with matte switches and that has the assembly screws separate from the rubber feet. I think that goes for around 145$ after tax on amazon rn. I picked it up a couple weeks ago and it’s very solid. Sounds great out of the box with the only issue being the spacebar needing some dielectric grease. 🙏🏽
I am guessing people who don't use numpad are people who don't work with numbers at all. Because if you do use a keyboard that has a numpad at work you end up using it a lot at home too. Same goes for the F row.
My only issue with separate numpads is that they cost like half the amount of a full 104 key keyboard. Like the amazing keychron k4 v2, which I spent $100 buying durock dolphin switches and the equipment to mod it. If I could get a barebones keychron k4 v2 or a similar 96% with a knob and some macro keys on the left side for under $100 I'd be a happy boy! But with more advanced features like foam, gaskets and aftermarket stabilizers then I'd expect those to come in barebones around $150 or less. Because I prefer silent switches and it seems like not very many boards offer them, I'll almost always be putting them in myself thus me wanting barebones. I also like having wireless/Bluetooth too. If I could get a wired and wireless hotswap barebones numpad for $20-30 then maybe it would be worth it. Since I'll be putting durock dolphins in it. But no way I'm spending $50 for 1/10th a keyboard 😂
The reason I like a built in numpad is because I use Alt codes often when writing in Spanish (I’m a Spanish teacher). I found out the hard what that an external numpad doesn’t work with Alt codes.
It does if you assign an Alt key on the numpad itself
Also you can just do that with layers on a smaller keyboard. Even without qmk/via - can be done with ahk.
you can do all of that on a kb without numpad or you can just assign an alt key on your np w its software/via
I have the same problem, but learned if you're on a Windows system, you can use Microsoft Keyboard Layout Creator to assign characters to keys. Now I can type áéíóúñ by holding the right alt key and pressing the letter (actually, I press shift as well, because I have Greek letters mapped to the same keys for math/stats writing). It's much faster than using the alt codes. Now I'm wondering if you could do the same thing but easier with via.
@@PellyAaron I've done the same thing. AltGr + R = ®, AltGr+C= © etc. So useful.
People don't know about MS Keyboard Layout Creator I feel like. Also PowerToys Keyboard manager is useful for key combinations.
I have a 65% keyboard and have put a numpad layer on 789uiojkl etc. But I also have a separate numpad that I use occasionally. I feel like even if you use it alot, it makes more sense to have it separate, I have mine to the right of the mouse. So keyboard - mouse - numpad. Works great.
Um or you can just program any shortcut you want with via? And why do u need alt codes then? U guys know that on windows you can swap to latam kb with a single shortcut and back to enus the same right? And that u dont need alt codes to type accents if u swap kb layout in os? You have a normal, grave, umlaut and a few other accent modifiers available at the os level on every keyboard regardless if you simply configure it correctly
I had the V2 revision of this keyboard, but recently Cidoo launched a V3 with 2.4GHz connectivity. I bought the V3 revision entirely because of that, and to my surprise it also sounds substantially better than the older version, but in their webpage they don't mention anything about it! It would be interesting to take a look at that.
I used to be one of the people who desperately wanted a keyboard with a numpad.
Then I caved and got a 75% keyboard. It turns out I do not, in fact, need a numpad. 75 for life.
Because lots of people seem to like being charged over $100 for only part of a keyboard. It's weird but to each they're own.
you are one of my favorite custom keyboard content creators! I saw that you make music and thought hmm this sounds pretty cool, added it to my playlist went on with my day, and as it came up in my playlist with each time it caught my attention and I went to check out your popular songs and i just wanted to say you make such good music :3 you've successfully took up a chunk of my playlist lol- (wake up is sooooo good-)
Thanks it means a lot!
I came across these videos and am genuinely curious what the point is in paying so much for a keyboard? Is it pure asthetics, ASMR, or a hobby thing? Or is it a retro thing since these keyboards resemble ones from 1994.
@@brendajameson5093 basicly the sound BUT if you have like a membrane or a terrible loud annoying mechanical keyboard, bying a good keyboard with good sound and cool aesthetics or having to press less for gaming Just Improves your working/gaming conditions and makes typing more enjoyable
Hey Hipyo I started my Mechanical keyboard life 6 years ago with a Corsair K66 with cherry reds. I am still using it and, on a whim, looked up modding and found your channel and completed my 1st mods "taping" my pcb and dielectric grease the stabs? the results were night and day. As this keyboard has soldered in keys its about the limit of time and effort to put in to it. I have now started my journey/ research to building my 1st full custom KB thank you and keep up the content.
As a game developer, full 100% layout or bust. There's always some funny keyboard shortcut that won't work with FN key combination nonsense. This makes for keyboard shopping nothing short of frustrating when 90% of the market only seems to be nothing but 60% layouts or thereabouts. TKL + Numpad is a solution if you can spare the extra USB, but that's not a compromise one should have to make.
Anyone who's ever used Blender will know the importance of a numpad lol
I got a 75% custom keyboard recently and while the day to day experience is great I still often find myself reaching for where my numpad use to be whenever I need to type numbers or even just to hit enter with my right thumb sometimes.
I also do like the numpad because a lot of games support them and you can often put your more complicated but less often keybindings off onto it (like engine controls for flight combat games.)
enter with the thumb is the best! i miss it too. I got a tkl because i have to have my fkeys and i have to have my insert/home/end/etc. all the 75's out there are missing keys that i use thousands of times a day. no. i can't replace those with multi key shortcuts. I can't. i wont. you shouldn't either. (howdy hey)
i got one of those mice with the 12 buttons on the side (the dragon brand, not the overpriced snake brand) and i have the 9 button set to it's actually nicer than numpad enter... but i still miss numpad enter... ngl...
Warthunder manual engine control enjoyer
just get used to not using them keyboards just look better without them and you can still map other keys to what you need in games
@bush359 im a programmer. I dont want shortcuts for pg up,down, end and home, and insert and delete. Those are critical keys . No 75 can possibly replace actual keys
I have the 80% of this keyboard, (and the numpad) and I like it. The one thing that drives me nuts is the feet on the numbpad are slickly less thick than the main keyboard, so they height doesn't line up perfectly. They make silent versions of their switches that are also good, if that's your thing. And yes, it's a boring design. Screws are not under the feat on the 80%! They also have the nutso V33 which has a numpad, the home/insert, etc and arrow keys.
Great video as always. You're missing one key detail: Although it's VIA compatible, the VIA programmability sucks compared to full QMK boards. No mod-tap, double-tap, no macros that include timing, and many other QMK bits are just missing. You have to manually load the .json, and then it's trial and error to see what commands they bothered to include, and you can't save/load profiles. If you want to move a macro from one key to the other, you must remake it every time. And even though you can program the knob, the board will only respect the knob mappings on the first layer. If you've programmed a keyboard with VIA/QMK, this is just bad. No keyboard RUclipsr has bothered to point out these deficiencies, which are very important for some users' productivity. This seems to be a widespread problem with wireless keyboards that advertise "VIA", but not "VIA/QMK". It would help the community if reviewers pointed this out.
I still love these Cidoo boards for what they are. I have a V75, which is a bit nicer than the V65: it has built in forcebreak pads and basically everything is slightly improved over the V65, including the gasket issues you point out here. It also includes screw in stabs that are properly lubed and don't tick, plus a cool magnetic dongle storage cubby under the logo, for the 2.4ghz wireless that the V65 also lacks. Oh, and the feet are no longer on top of the screw holes.
And I love Rick and Morty as much as you do, but your own creativity is more engaging than your impressions. They're pretty good impressions, but I think they take away from your style, instead of adding to it. This is a compliment, it's much more entertaining when you just do you. Your brand is distinctive and entertaining, moreso without imitating others.
Could you list out what exactly is lacking here beyond mod-tap and double tap? Also, do you have any alternatives you'd suggest for the V21?
@@stanum2169 Did you read my full post? I list a bunch of deficiencies immediately after mod-tap and double-tap. Please read the full paragraph. I don't know which other numpads to buy, but I would only buy one that specifically advertises QMK, which will probably be not wireless.
Are you talking about the 65 v1 or v2?
I just bought the windx98. Had the compactness of a 75 but with a numpad. I am now happy with my endgame keyboard.
numpads are built in stream decks, aligned directional keys, etc.
a lot of the angst, is if keyboards without it become the de-facto standard, a huge number of production and design programs (including the ones they design the keyboards with) will have a lot less space to put shortcuts that don't need a control, or shift, or alt. In blender, the numpad is how you turn to cardinal directions, nudge your view, and grow/shrink selections. you can do that with the number bar, but good luck figuring out if 4 or 8 is "up" or "left"
Could you please say which one is the best keyboard ever which have best sound and numpad to build my typing speed and accuracy of programming pls answer me !
youve chNGED SO MUCH THROUGH ouT THE YEaR MR HIPPOPOTAMOUS TECHNOLOGy
As someone who's currently struggling looking for their new keyboard, any other num pads people would suggest? With the work I do at home a numpad is HUGE for me, but I keep finding 65% keyboards that leave me feeling left out on options
I bought this keyboard due to this video and it is simply put the nicest typing experience I have ever had. Great recommendation, absolutely high quality feeling board and keys.
Have you considered making a podcast? I could listen to hours of keyboard talk, and advertising your songs and things like that also sounds awesome!
The reason i like a full (instead of 96%) is the location for home/end/page up/down etc... I get why people want smaller, but some of us actually like the larger ones. And a small keyboard with the numpad still isnt the same. Now if we're comparing to 96% then i do agree a seperate numpad is nice. But if you want the full sized keyboard, thats really the form factor you want.
If you buy this board, I advise placing the bottom feet beside the holes for the screws. The result is a slightly elevated profile, but you can access the screws so it's a worthy sacrifice.
holy shit this is genius. kills two birds with one stone for me since i wanted a slightly elevated profile. i was able to reuse the first adhesive feet after modding it so i can just use the second set they put in the box. great idea thank you
You're very welcome. Glad I could help. : )@@nomar737
mr numpad doesnt have a numpad.
you're welcome
Your sound test was the most accurate of all the other videos I watched. Pleasantly surprised to see it's just a little more deeper/poppy-er in person. I've canceled my order of memory foam and electric tape.
Dude I just picked this one up for $40 and I’m IN LOVE
You know, lack of F row keys in 99% of these products is very indicative of their market. If you use these keyboards for office work, you can't drop the F row.
honestly one of the best videos that you have made on a entertainment and watch level. I love all of your content though and you're my go to guy for keyboard related things.
I didn't need a numpad until I worked data entry. I bought a separate pad because it's actually far more comfortable for me to have the numpad on one end of the desk and the keyboard on the other side, and I place the orders in the middle.
There’s a white one named SUEHIODHY but I’m not sure if it’s the same one. Looks identical
I used to thin I needed a numpad until I actually tried to live without it and it just worked out.
The only time I felt its absence was typing special characters and there are ways around that if it's not something you have to do often.
Hippyo... I understand calling it "Low Price" or something like that, but 120 dollars is not budget 😅
Bought a separate numpad when i went smaller to prevent fomo and its never been used lol
we should just name the keyboard without numpad a lackboard, so people won`t be confused.
Does it have on board memory to save the setting and work without a software? I think this point should always be discussed. Thanks Hipyo
I have the Cidoo V65 in white and ended up getting the Feker JJK21 in white to match it. I've been very happy with both so far!
Picked up a white pre-built one of these "used" but never opened for about half the price and it's amazing. As noted in another comment I already had some of these switches in another board and like them but this truly sounds amazing, especially for the price I paid. On the pre-built it looks like none of the diffusers are installed so I'll have to do that, they come in a separate bag -- worth noting when I moved mine from one keyboard to another a few months ago they all fell out like yours - thank goodness that doesn't happen with the Morandi as I have WAY too many of those. I do not like the font and the keys are dye sub but they are VERY thick and sound great. Was planning on putting on a set of DROP DCX WOB but might keep these on for a while instead. Thanks for the video, I probably would have ignored this video and picked up a Q2 Pro... not that I really needed another 65% as I primarily use my Neo65 but... dang this hobby is a money drain, lol.
I only use numpad for fighting games, because we use numpad numbers. Like 5S or neutral slash, 6k or forward kick. Yeah, THE only thing that numpad good for
Dunno why, but I always think of a history channel called Oversimplified whenever I watch your videos
I love him
I have my keyboard on my lap on the sofa & the numpad makes it balance perfectly 😂😂
Please start a sound test channel where you loop the clackety clacks and the thockety thocks!
God, I love those keycaps. I just can't rationalize dropping that kind of money on a set though, especially if they're not PBT
There are multiple games I play that have casual use of the numpad, for me, if a keyboard doesnt have one, its not a fully functional keyboard. I'm using a desktop for crying out loud, I'm not here to sacrifice functionality for compactness.
I bought this keyboard a while and I kept meaning to recommend it to you, glad you finally did a video on it
It's not the num pad that ruins me. It's the lack of additional real estate for specific keys like print screen. Hold on. Yes, I know. But in MY situation, I do not have one. I'd have to effectively mod it in, which is fine, but the fact that no matter what, I have to make a sacrifice somewhere. It bothers me lol
I like my options
The real reason a lot of keyboards are smaller than 100% is simply due to manufacturing costs. Just the PCB cost alone jumps significantly in price, not because of just extra material per board, but because PCBs are produced in massive sheets where you have to nest individual boards with the goal of reducing waste; i.e. smaller boards just tesselate the mother PCB better. Then on top of that you also have other costs that require more material. Then furthering that you have aditional switch and keycap costs, etc.
Then you can get into the opinionated debates of layouts, desk space, usage, and aesthetics. But there is one fact here, the 100% we know today hails from when computers were consoles without a separate pointing device, this is why we have the navigation cluster, and why the numpad is often an shift-key nav pad. Another fact is that mice historically have not needed massive sweeping motions like our modern high-DPI gaming uses do. Just like the fact that our typical keyboard layout hails from the days of the typewriter, even if this isn't the most efficient way to type, though typewriters didn't have much choice due to physical constraints. This is where things start getting so heavily opinionated, because it comes down to what your use actually entails.
Though I will say, my opinion is that modern layouts should be southpaw, they just make more sense no matter what your use is, editing, graphics, CAD, gaming, etc., any task that mainly uses the mouse with keystrokes (which is virtually all modern programs) would benefit from a left keypad, your left hand has less distance to move which in turn gives your right hand less distance to move if you need the right half of the alpha cluster; the only exception to this is if you're using a left-handed mouse, then a 'standard' 100% becomes the correct choice, but then again how many people are actually using left handed mice given the market and given that you can learn to use your non-dominant hand for something as simple as a mouse; i.e the desk peripherals are a weird non-cohesive mix of what should be right and left handed. Though my other opinion is that I think numpads themselves are inherently limited, unless all you do is basic number entry with simple digits and basic arithmetic, I'm not saying to put the entirety of math symbols onto a numpad but there's so many quality of life improvements that could be had if the numpad was even just slightly expanded on, even as a macropad the typical 4x5 is just limited and you're not always guaranteed the entire 20 keys as you'll likely end up with a few less, so even just as a macro grid the numpad layout is inherently limited; and another argument of southpaw layouts, a left hand numpad would have access to backspace, delete, text cursor navigation, and symbols like commas, slashes, and the variety of brackets, because all of this is easily accessed by the right hand on most layouts from TKL down to 75% layouts and _some_ 65% layouts, just from the southpaw aspect numpad use already gets expanded on by just properly appropriating which hands are on which keys while only using shift as a partial-use modifier, though mod layers can alleviate this but most boards out of the box don't do more than a shift layer and again the numpad is typically a navpad under the shift layer. I'll also give another opinion, maybe the typical standard desk setup isn't the most optimal, it's the most universal in terms of what's typically used and does come from historical aspects (typewriters and keyboard-only console computers), but I think there's other solutions that can be adapted to that would be much better than what's currently typical, and that starts with what split ergo boards start to get into beyond your typical alphanumerical cluster, with more mod layers, the option of trackballs/trackpads/other pointers on a thumb cluster, more efficient layouts, etc., the issue is that people don't like to adapt even if it can be proven to be better in various aspects (See the issue of the learning curve of the Steam Controller compared to the absolute powerhouse of usability the SC was for reference, people didn't want to adapt and the product tapered off until the frivolous Scuf lawsuit happened and killed the physical product, though the software side still lives on as Steam Input API, which is still a powerhouse of what controller software can be); what we're bound to in terms of what's typical really is not the best or even the most efficient, and there's some unique ideas out there like what @lynxware-org is doing with their macro-pointer device(s), or similarly the Azeron Cyro, and while _these_ might not be the best for typist use you can also see how these concepts could evolve into something that leans into what could be typist-friendly, _and there's so many more projects and concepts out there to explore._ See how opinions get a bit out of hand when debates start to have no factual basis outside of anecdotes, comparisons, and studies?
Hipyo abt gaming/aesthetic (linear or tactile) pls answer
I've been watching your videos for a while now as I just began to get a new keyboard (Keychron V3) and I changed the switches for the Gamakay Phoenix and I love them. Keyboards and switches' world is amazing!
Anyway, keep going your amazing work and videos, they are great! Just heard your tunes on Spotify, love them! Keep it up!
Cheers from Switzerland!
I like being able to fit my keyboard in my back pocket or slide it out of the way between my monitor mounts, so I don't really appreciate numpad.
I'm getting to the point now where I might even use a 40% with arrow keys because numbers are dumb and layers exist.
Hipyo you are a saint. I have spent the last two days poking around for a new 60%, as the only one I have is the RK61 that I got when I started the hobby (thank you), so I wanted something with a little more heft my like my SENSE75. It was impossible for me to find a 60% for $100-$150 that has an aluminum body as they are either out of stock, $30 or $200. This is EXACTLY what I was looking for. I am so excited to open this tomorrow when it arrives. great content as always
The trend is smaller keyboards, but I’ll always love my 108 keys 100% full size keyboards!
this keyboard looks like the monsgeek m1 ngl, just without the side thingy
I'm so glad that companies are making budget keyboards with gaskets and foams and QMK/VIA compatibility now. Great product, CIDOO, whoever you are.
I got the Epomaker TH100 and its just so hecking good. U need to try it
Was hoping for a review of this boards from you. Just recently I picked up the v65 and was so impressed with it that I also got the v75 and I'm keeping bout.
The sharpness detail on the shoulder was pretty good tho!
I just entered the market for a new keyboard and literally every one I am interested in is not in stock. The V65 doesn't deliver to my area AZ. Like ya boy struggling with these razors that break 1 month after warranty ends (both my razor keyboards did this and I complained to them just to hear too bad its out of warranty, here is 10$ off).
Any keyboard that has a numpad on the right side that isn't detachable is a disgrace to all that is keyboards. Right sided numpads have never made sense. If you're using your mouse in an app where you need to type a lot of numbers or do a lot of calculations then you have two choices... either take your hand off your mouse every time you need to type a number in then go back to the mouse to click around the app.... orrrrrr you can have two hands so uncomfortably close it's ridiculous. Neither makes sense. Whoever designed the original qwerty keyboard layout was high
I prefer 75% keyboards AND a separate numpad!
I'm right-handed, and don't want my mouse to be way out there in right field, so I set my numpad up on the left side of the keyboard. It doesn't take that much to get used to using your left hand for the numpad, and my mouse stays in a comfortable spot.
Actually, I've always wondered why the standard, full-size keyboard layout didn't change long ago after mice became a necessity, moving the numpad to the left side.
Im so glad you reviewed this board. I bought this board a couple weeks ago and noticed there werent many quality reviews on it.
*This keyboard is nice but you have to make sure you dont remap the usb mode key otherwise if you accidentally turn on the board you cant turn off the bluetooth or connect to via.*
Also, if you take the feet off often you can place a tape under the feet and use it as a handle to remove the feet easily.
Oh and the mint switches are really good if you get them. The quake switches are hit or miss since the ones in my first board are really scratchy.
The keycaps are super thick and are some of the best stock ones ive felt
PLEASE DO AN EPOMAKER RT100 REVIEW! I'M NOT YELLING, YOU'RE YELLING
I recently purchased a Keychron Q5 barebones and after building it and trying it out, I’m still a bit unhappy it isn’t a 100%. This isn’t for gaming, I work in IT and I want a better typing experience for work. Why is there so little love for 100% keyboards? Why is there no love for business users? Do I need to buy a Model M to find the love I’m looking for?
look a little i recognize that layout and that style isnt that really similar to a gmk67 heavily moded or im wrong?
10:08 "I'll have links to those videos below"
Are they linked somewhere, I can't see in the description or top comment.
"British people look away for the knob action" - British are the king of knob action, we have a parLIEament & paLIEace full of them 🤣🤣
talking shit about ppl who wnat numpads when fullsize keyboards are still the most common layout is wild. the truth is if you don't want a numpad you either make videos for a living or are a student working on a laptop. lol ok not that drastic but it is still a very convenient thing to have for ppl who do data input. so to pretend numpads are not a desired feature of a keyboard is silly. it constantly disappoints me as someone who loves how some of these boards look but hates how so many of the keys i would use are missing.
so why? where do i need to skip to?
8:19 I got the board for a built that would be used in a dark area, and got shine through caps. But as best I can tell, there is no way to just set it to one select color. VIA has a bunch of different epic gamer RGB modes, but no "just backlight the keys with this color that matches my setup".... if anyone knows how to do this, let me know.
That is just a GMK67 with a different case. The cable is also exactly the same as the cable from the gmk67
NOOOOO HIPYO REMOVED THE KNOB!!! Oh the knob is back 👍
oh man, Hipyo, mr strong fingers, is my favourite knob filddling youtuber ever
Even if I don't use the numpad much, desktop keyboards just look wrong without. They're not... rectangular enough.
Group buy but for vids W H A T 😂
please also check the XinMeng A66 Aluminum Keyboard. thanks!
I just wish I could find a pre-built numpad that was mirrored. I have yet to find any.
Like you I really like the WS Morandi, however I have a very flexy Q1 Pro build that the stem wobble was a little too much on the F Row so I tried these Matte switches and love them. The lighting is great like on the Morandi but there is less wobble. The sound is a little higher to me and they aren't as sooth but very close in both areas making them a great choice for the price!
9:05 is that a Focal Clear? Niceee
I don't like a keyboard without a numpad. I use numpad for my daily use excel or sheets. its hard for me if it doesn't have a numpad.
Hipyo, I wanna get this budget keyboard, but I also want to get a wooting 60he. My budget rn is 220 dollars, I need your opinion.
There's some really cool AT layout custom keyboards out these days if you wanna feature them :P
It's premiere and 12 ppl is here waiting 12 hours, good luck lmfao
Dear Hipyo, could you please advise the store where I can buy PBT keycaps with RUS characters?
If so many people are asking for num pads, why aren't there more mechanical keyboards with num pads??
Finally the Limes!! You found it!
Amazing keyboard Drawing animation 0:22
I was going to say you sound like a Rick and Morty character, then you said "look at me" like mr meseeks then it clicked lol
The rick and morty voice in the beginning got me xD
0:08 'Hey, I'm Mr. Meeseeks, Look at me!"
Tbh I care a lot more about the f row than the num pad. Maybe its because I play Minecraft but I need it for other things too....
All these budget keyboards used to be for people who couldn't afford a "brand" like razer or hyperx or whatever. Now they're 3 times the price and are preferred over prebuilt brand keyboards. Gotta stop using the word budget cause custom keyboards are way above affordable nowadays.
YAY W VID HIPYO I prefer my own Gmk67 though as it doesn’t have screws and is cheap
funny thing is that it has the same stock stabs as GMK 67 (personally I've changed it to modded panda v3). So as the plate is the same)))
I like v87 pro. But this one...
I personally don't like numpad, for me it's a waste of space having duplicate numbers and i don't want to dedicate one hand just got numbers rather than lifting your finger one for higher
can you try to mod the cheapest full-size (function keys, del, end, ins, etc., arrow keys, numpad, the whole shebang) not hot-swapable mechanical keyboard for around $50 total (including the keyboard)?
I'm more upset about F-row than numpads. I don't do excel, why would I need a numpad?