@@Jjjbbb5678 It’s a very poor analogy that further pushes the dehumanisation of women, specifically pregnant women. Can you explain how pointing out a weird, sexist analogy is ‘pearl-clutching’?
I don't think I'll ever understand the argumentative tactic of 'I think this thing because *propaganda points here* but I don't actually care so it's whatever.'
It's pretty simple, he buys propaganda knowingly because it supports his preconceived beliefs, but he's not invested because he doesn't care what's true to begin it
People need to learn harm based morality systems. Most people just know the rules based Kant viewpoint. Good is abiding by whatever norms and rules your society dictates, bad is breaking those norms/rules. Harm based makes a whole lot more sense and everyone can understand how harming people is bad. To say you don't think harming people is unethical also tells me a lot more about the kind of person you are than if you just don't gaf about the rules dictated by society. Societies can be evil, their norms/rules can cause undue harm. I see no reason to obey an unjust norm or rule because idiots in power say so. Having political power doesn't make you ethical nor qualified to dictate what constitutes good or bad. Using harm as a baseline is pretty universal and cuts out the middle man.
Good and bad are human constructs that change over time. However I do think the constructs we have had are pretty good standards to have. Unfortunately people who watch these videos don't have good inside them. They're more interested in appearing better than others. "Good" means being selfless, but today that is warped by those who are more self interested, this topic being a prime example of that.
This might be the first time a guest has actively driven me to sleep with how boring his arguments were. Like Jesus how do you go through life not being able to articulate a single thing?
This guy is one of the dumbest people I’ve met. He admitted he has zero metacognition of absolutely anything. I just feel bad for him. Someone get this guy into a good school
Same. My kitties have brought me more joy than like 99.9% of humanity ever has. Current cat is still a kitten, I rescued her right after the election and she pulled me out of what was turning into a super deep depression. That was her providing more value to my life than humans ever really do.
@@edwardzignot2681 my baby boy was abandoned in the recent hurricane, and while it infuriates me to no end they dumped a two month old to fend for himself, he’s the best thing that’s ever happened to me or my mental health.
I think he got to the point of subjectivity and cant get past it. He goes through life by vibes but with a tad bit more awareness with no way to articulate what he feels coherently. Dangerously, he likely could be argued into any position if the person presenting the position has enough charisma.
Omfg. This dude thinks every accident that's ever happened was caused by the person the accident happened to.... Wtf kinda logic are these people trying to use
Caller: "Abortion is wrong because it's murder." Also caller: "There's nothing wrong with murder." Well, at least he admitted earlier in the call that he wasn't even attempting to be logical.
Hmm, NOt that I expect you care, but I agree with you on like 80% of your stances, but the misandry aint it. The answer to prejudice and bigotry is not more of the same aimed at people you think should suffer. That makes you every bit as bad as the people you oppose. 'Men" dont want anything. Some people want servants and maids.
@@memedealermikey That in no way disputes what I said. Egalitarianism is the only way forward. If you have to blame entire sweeping groups as though they are a monolith, your point is fundamentally invalid.
@@DellikkilleD I didn’t even make a point, I didn’t care to explain what changed my mind. I merely ask you to see why for yourself because your thinking is ultimately misguided. If you’d like me to explain, I can. Although, I don’t think you’d care to hear it from me.
@@memedealermikey ... I didnt say you made a point, I stated that if you are using prejudice as a fundamental component of your point... Ie men want x/women do y, race acts in z way- your thinking is flawed. Is this a second language for you by chance? If you think being anti bigotry is misguided, simply because you think the target of the bigotry is deserving, you are not in the right. But, please, feel free to explain why misandry is ok.
@@emilyelizabeth8654 We're already heading down that path by pretending like your guys opinions are equally valid. You have to redefine our vocabulary just to get your worldview sound like it can work.
“The woman is an apartment for the child for lack of a better term” what a weird, dehumanising thing to say.
The resident hasn’t paid any deposit or rent for months. They’re getting evicted.
It was an analogy. Stop pearl clutching
@@brianistryin76 The only acceptable landlord is a pregnant person who wants to evict their tenant
@@Jjjbbb5678who is pearl-clutching, and what are they pearl clutching about?
@@Jjjbbb5678 It’s a very poor analogy that further pushes the dehumanisation of women, specifically pregnant women. Can you explain how pointing out a weird, sexist analogy is ‘pearl-clutching’?
Why is the pregnant person’s potential or future never worthy of any regard and why is it lesser than a fetus’s?
If you cared about their worth you wouldn't strip them of their womanhood.
Because more often than not, the pregnant person is a woman and conservatives are all misogynysts
Because that fetus could be a boy! And the pregnant person is probably a measly woman! A woman who had sinful sex! 😱 /s but yeah that's probably it.
I don't think I'll ever understand the argumentative tactic of 'I think this thing because *propaganda points here* but I don't actually care so it's whatever.'
most people it seems are ideologically incoherent, and it's kinda wild. but it lets you say things like that
It's because they want a win, not because they actually care about the principles.
It's pretty simple, he buys propaganda knowingly because it supports his preconceived beliefs, but he's not invested because he doesn't care what's true to begin it
Why did he even call in to debate if he thinks nothing is good or bad? Lmao you can't have a stance on anything thinking that way
People need to learn harm based morality systems. Most people just know the rules based Kant viewpoint. Good is abiding by whatever norms and rules your society dictates, bad is breaking those norms/rules.
Harm based makes a whole lot more sense and everyone can understand how harming people is bad. To say you don't think harming people is unethical also tells me a lot more about the kind of person you are than if you just don't gaf about the rules dictated by society. Societies can be evil, their norms/rules can cause undue harm. I see no reason to obey an unjust norm or rule because idiots in power say so. Having political power doesn't make you ethical nor qualified to dictate what constitutes good or bad. Using harm as a baseline is pretty universal and cuts out the middle man.
Good and bad are human constructs that change over time. However I do think the constructs we have had are pretty good standards to have. Unfortunately people who watch these videos don't have good inside them. They're more interested in appearing better than others. "Good" means being selfless, but today that is warped by those who are more self interested, this topic being a prime example of that.
He doesn't think that. He uses it as a copout for not being able to defend any actual position. It's annoying and harmful.
Hey, great point Jovan. "Stand your ground" is justified unaliving to them, but a woman can't decide not to bring a life into the world 🤔
This might be the first time a guest has actively driven me to sleep with how boring his arguments were. Like Jesus how do you go through life not being able to articulate a single thing?
The caller sure did say a lot of words.
Shame how all those empty words the guest used were vapid and pointless
I honestly couldn't follow what this caller's point was and this is the third time I'm watching this to try and understand his opinion 😂
He didn't have a point, that's why.
'Abortion bad' was all he had.
Could not explain why.
@antediluvianatheist5262 I finally understood 🤣
Wow. His first comment "females shouldnt have the ***right*** to choose...."
This is what happens when someone refuses to cancede the argument but gets proven wrong at every turn. He just started spouting nonsense.
This guy is one of the dumbest people I’ve met. He admitted he has zero metacognition of absolutely anything. I just feel bad for him. Someone get this guy into a good school
Personally, I value my cat more than most other humans.
Same. My kitties have brought me more joy than like 99.9% of humanity ever has. Current cat is still a kitten, I rescued her right after the election and she pulled me out of what was turning into a super deep depression. That was her providing more value to my life than humans ever really do.
@@edwardzignot2681 my baby boy was abandoned in the recent hurricane, and while it infuriates me to no end they dumped a two month old to fend for himself, he’s the best thing that’s ever happened to me or my mental health.
That’s valid, honestly.
His lag made this so much worse 😂😂😂
I think he got to the point of subjectivity and cant get past it. He goes through life by vibes but with a tad bit more awareness with no way to articulate what he feels coherently. Dangerously, he likely could be argued into any position if the person presenting the position has enough charisma.
100% of these guys would change their opinions if the law dictated that the fathers of unwanted fetuses were obligated to care for them, alone.
If that's true then try it out. Because I think society would be better off.
@@frishterspoken like a true NPC 😂😂😂
oyeah ,the time traveling killer argument
I have not had enough coffee for this😩
dude just wont admit his reasons are religious
This hurt my brain.
Idc if it's Fetus Christ Himself, no one has the right to my uterus without my permission.
Close your legs then.
Omfg. This dude thinks every accident that's ever happened was caused by the person the accident happened to....
Wtf kinda logic are these people trying to use
Caller: "Abortion is wrong because it's murder."
Also caller: "There's nothing wrong with murder."
Well, at least he admitted earlier in the call that he wasn't even attempting to be logical.
The edible kicked in halfway through the call
This guy doesn't think or believe aaaaaanything, just feels his way through and reacts. Is this a talking single cell organism??
I get phone calls have a bit of delay but this dude was interrupting in the middle of every fucking sentence.
Hmm, NOt that I expect you care, but I agree with you on like 80% of your stances, but the misandry aint it.
The answer to prejudice and bigotry is not more of the same aimed at people you think should suffer. That makes you every bit as bad as the people you oppose.
'Men" dont want anything.
Some people want servants and maids.
What misandry?
Veiled ‘Not all men’ argument. I held the same stance until I learned why the generalization is important.
@@memedealermikey That in no way disputes what I said. Egalitarianism is the only way forward. If you have to blame entire sweeping groups as though they are a monolith, your point is fundamentally invalid.
@@DellikkilleD I didn’t even make a point, I didn’t care to explain what changed my mind. I merely ask you to see why for yourself because your thinking is ultimately misguided. If you’d like me to explain, I can. Although, I don’t think you’d care to hear it from me.
@@memedealermikey ... I didnt say you made a point, I stated that if you are using prejudice as a fundamental component of your point... Ie men want x/women do y, race acts in z way- your thinking is flawed.
Is this a second language for you by chance?
If you think being anti bigotry is misguided, simply because you think the target of the bigotry is deserving, you are not in the right.
But, please, feel free to explain why misandry is ok.
Pro choice should be supported by everyone. It means less lefties.
So you're pro-Idiocracy? 😂
Nice troll 😂 10 outta 10
@@emilyelizabeth8654 We're already heading down that path by pretending like your guys opinions are equally valid. You have to redefine our vocabulary just to get your worldview sound like it can work.
People aren't born with political opinions 🥴
@@trashpanda3837 Values are passed down.