Probably the best video i have seen so far on the subject. Your slowely earning my respect as a reefer, you seem like someone who may have some actual valuable experience compared to a plethora of other you tubers. In my experience owning a blue streak wrasse or also known as a common wrasse is a weapon that can be used against the parasite. I highly recommend one and visually observe what he does
you are absolutely right dude. my experiences with treating ick with medications suggested to me did more bad than good. I believe the medications, although says "safe" to fish is stressing the rest of the livestock in the tank and so I end up loosing most of my fish every single time. So, I have restarted over this last year and it has been months with no ick. Then just a few weeks ago I got me another blue tang "Dori"...darn fish always gets ick so easily. Anyway, I have decided to not treat it qith medication. I've noticed that the tang has been eating well and less and less ick on the body each day. I believe that the slime will take care of the ick so long as I keep up with good feeding and let things take care of itself. So far non of my other fish has gotten the ick from the tang. I assume it is because they are healthy and not stressed out from anything like medications.
I airways think of Ich as a cold. .people have thousands of cold remedies but there is no cure for the common cold. . In theory what you say is spot on. . Rest, food and good water quality plus time.
+NANO REEF AQUARIUM AUSTRALIA Several hundred aquariums around the world may disagree with you. . It's a endless debate which will fuel the medication industry forever. . Tank on
I think volume of water in your system has a lot to do with it too. Larger volume less chances for the parasite to afflict the same fish in short a cycle, giving the fish a chance to heal. Also I swear I had a noticeable absence of parasites after installing the biggest UV steriliser I could afford and changing the tubes regular.y. It appears to reduce the risk of a new cycle.
Excellent points. I “have” ich in my mature sps packed 190 gal reef. It showed up many years ago on a purple tang. All fish are healthy and fed a varied diet. Occasionally I’ll see a spot on my foxface but no outbreaks. I also believe that sps polyps will consume the free swimming parasites as they are in the correct size range and corals eat what they can catch. I personally have never seen a mature reef tank that has an ich explosion. Just my thoughts
This is the only video that makes sense to me. I had my yellow tang in quarantine for a month with no signs of ich at all then I added him to my display, he got ich 2 days later. All my other fish in the main display were healthy. I think ich is a very opportunistic parasite, and it targets the fish when it's stressed. It will go away once the fish is fully acclimated to the tank. Of course it's still present in my tank but at least the fish can fight it off when they're healthy. The idea of completely eradicate ich is cool but it's impossible because we can't sterilize each drop of water or each grain of sand!
I agree with you... Any of those treatments that claim to treat ich in the free floating stage are a waste of time and money.. either rip tank apart and QT everything or focus on healthy diet, Low stress and high water quality. I can say I have ether skipped the 3rd wave of ich in my tank or have finally reached the right ratio of low stress and water quality in my tank for it to not take out anymore of my fish... great video topic.. im sure you pissed some people off LOL...
Thanks! I know I pissed some people off. I got a lot of thumbs down really fast LOL. I'll I can do is tell my experience. I'm glad things worked out in your tank.
I have had the same situation as you it seems like you are reading a page out of my ich problems. Last time I had ich on my blue hippo tang. I said the hell with it. I have too much money invested in my corrals to tear it down. I did not treat my tank with any meds I just did a water change every 4 days and soaked my food in garlic and it went away by its self. And my tank went 1 1/2 year with out it so far so good. Some times trying to catch the fish to medicate it stresses it out even more and it ends up dying probably due to the added stress of getting chased around the tank.
I fully agree I think in this hobby we eventually get to the point where we have to decide is this a coral tank with fish, or a fish tank with coral. Thanks for sharing your experience.
My ich strategy has been to use UV continuously when an outbreak is underway and for several months after that. Then I will cut back on the UV time during the day. This worked until recently when I had a spike in ‘tang drama and stress’. I needed to step up my game so I purchased a ‘whole house’ water filter with a 5 micron cartridge. I put a Jebao DCS-3000 pump on the input side of the filter and some stuff hoses on the output, fashioned a bracket so it would hang on the side of my 250 gal eurobraced tank. I primed it for an hour using food grade diatomaceous earth in a bucket of salt water. Then I transferred to my main tank. Unfortunately I did get a plume of silica in the tank but it cleared up quite quickly. Later on I further loaded more DE into the filter using a pipette. Almost immediate results and the ich outbreak is clearing up. I spent less than $100 on the filter and earth and I had the pump lying around already. I am going to plumb the DE filter into my main circulation pump when I have a moment. Oh and my water is super clear and all the fish seem much happier. I think that a DE filter should be one of the first go-to tools especially when there is an emergency. It can rapidly clear the water of the free-swimming form of ich and prevent your fishes natural defenses from being overwhelmed.
I agree I’ve tried the medication didn’t work only stressed out my coral as as I couldn’t tear my tank down to quarantine. I’ve been feeding my fish a garlic enriched pellet and poof the ich is gone a month later !
I have torn down my 90 gallon and went fallow treating my fish with copper in a qt. I still maintain a empty tank with saltwater just in the event I get a new addition. Even with this I can still get it on a piece of coral or invert. It's just that you can take all the precautions and still get it..ugghh
Hey Scott, I love your videos my friend. I don't feel belittled with you and Steve, you are DOWN TO EARTH people who won't shun someone with an issue. I'm fairly new to the hobby, but I've done my homework and then some, for roughly a year now. I would like to discuss further with you about ich, and your tank/setup, as I have discovered my 8 inch Naso has intermittent ich, some days he/she has none or maybe a spot, and some days he/she has 10 spots, regardless, this Naso has an appetite ALWAYS, and this fish I love, it's my pride and joy! Like Steve and yourself, I am a HUGE tang fan, I currently have 5 tangs in a 180gal+40gal sump+30gal refugium. That is 250gal of water volume, and due to the large nature of this water volume, it's not easy just testing things apart and getting rid of ich! As I'm sure you know. Sorry for the long comment, I love the reef talk, I'm a huge follower, I love your tank my friend, it is amazing. I would like to hopefully discuss in much more detail about ich, if you can provide any additional information, or just chat in general, you and Steve won't bash me for adding 2 zebrasoma tangs in my 180gal unlike everyone else I've talked to. Please respond and please keep the videos coming! Hope to speak with you soon, hope the wife recovers as well, take care friend. -KevN-
I do have a few questions about a quarantine I set up a couple months ago, and maybe some options I may have, as losing any one of my tangs would be devastating. Sorry for lengthy comments! Also, like you(not sure if you have the 20s), I have the Jaebo RW/PP20s, for the money, you just can't beat them, and they are insanely powerful. Take care!
You are right bro...good filter...good water N every time new fish coming we have to put them into the Quarantine Tank that contains copper...and that's it..all good. But I'm highly recommend to you all...if you want to have marine fish then just having fish so in case if the white spot come back all you have to do just add copper back into the water then when the white spot gone...then just change 20% of new water N all done.. But if you doing with corals. ..I have no comments. .coz it's a headache. Good luck to you all.
I feel the same way about the medication. I feel like the treatment actually kills the fish with the ammonia spike . Just lost my sailfin tang that was very healthy and 5 anthias that I had just added to the tank .
I'm with you Scott. Always quarantine and use Copper in QT if fish develops ich. If Ich hits the main display I stay away from those so called magic treatments. I say feed well, I use Selcon for some extra vitamins, good water quality and keep my fingers crossed.
Thanks, there is no magic treatment that i'm aware of. I didn't mention the Selcon I do use it I just don't push it as an ich treatment. People don't seem to get the difference between feeding a fish for optimal health and the myth that garlic and ginger stop ich. Thanks for watching!
I agree with your entire video - 1. We should responsibly QT and avoid risking current and new fish 2. If the ich sneaked in, do NOT use medicines in main tank. Do NOT try t9 catch and hopital all fishes in small / new tanks. That will cause more damage. 3. Focus on feeding, water quality and minimal stress, ich will slowly diminish. I just had an outbreak 2 months back and ich is almost out ... i will wait for 2 more months before i think of any new addition to the tank. But all but 1 (anthias) current fishes made it. Of course i had a regrettable lost of 1 fish and I will be more careful next time A. I will QT with copper, if new fiah can take copper followed by General Cure. 2. Avoid bringing fish that has been with lfs for less than 1 week.
Man i feel you scott i have gd done everything by the book and just woke up today with ich on my scopas baby unicorn 2 chocolate tangs and a foxface....man back to square one...great video man 🍻
great video Scott. the way you address this subject was right on. taking an herbal approach with your parameters, ie: diet, water quality and such is a better way than to use a product that has no scientific data to back up what they say.
+MileHighReefers I agree. these products that say they cure ich only help slow the process while it's in the water column. as we know it needs to be eradicated to be completely safe.
I think volume of water in your system has a lot to do with it too. Larger volume less chances for the parasite to afflict the same fish in short a cycle, giving the fish a chance to heal. Also I swear I had a noticeable absence of parasites after installing the biggest UV steriliser I could afford and changing the tubes regular.y. It appears to reduce the risk of a new cycle.
+MileHighReefers yes they are and so are our fish. I've had so much success with them and it has been a proven effective way to keep it at bay and break the parasite cycle . Would say that if the bulbs are old and the uv steriliser is too small it don't work as well.
Hey Scott, I think it's worth mentioning that the ick parasite needs to attach to fish to complete its life cycle. While it can be present its encysted or free swimming state in water that you might bring home with coral or inverts. The parasite itself cannot attach to them to feed if there are no fish present the parasite will die within a few days. If you quarantine incoming fish in one tank and corals and inverts in another for 4 to 6 weeks (will be shorter for the coral invert quarantine tank) you will not introduce ick into your display. Quarantine is the key though, I know there's reefers that argue against it but there's not one public aquarium, or aquaculture research laboratory that doesn't quarantine incoming fish. That's enough proof for me.
I fully agree with everything you said those are some great points. I really wish I had the ability to QT all my corals and inverts. This may need to be my next project. Thanks for sharing.
Good vid. I've been wondering as I too believe ich is in my 75 nonetheless the fish are doing well for the most part. I've come to the same conclusion. As I prepare to move to Tangs in a new 125 your advice is invaluable. Thanks. we all appreciate the help.
Thanks! a 125 is such a nice tank size, congrats on the upgrade. If your tangs are OK right now you will probably be OK with the new setup. It's never a guarantee but I bet everything will go well.
@@MileHighReefers Do you use a uv sterilizer? I have one to reduce pathogens/ick in the water column. It won't cure it but help reduce them in the water.
Think i may have introduced it to my tank through a orange sponge. I turned temps up and doing daily water changes. Can tell by the behaviour of the fish, hopefully there itch free soon an happy again. I dont like bottled additives and remedies really, last resort. Thanks for great video
Iam currently trying this method as don't have another option.blue tang us the only fish showing signs ,so hopefully I'll get lucky and slim coat will come through for me
I wish you would have brought this to my attention two months ago because I just experienced a tank crash I did everything that you were saying and I still experience that tank crash all of my fish got it on them and all of my corals died and all of my starfish my clams and my sponges has passed away I only have 3 fish and my system now
I wish I would have know about this 2 month ago I could have saved myself a lot of pain. I feel your pain it really sucks when our tanks crash. I haven't used a hailed light in quite a while, but last time I did I used Ushio 20K bulbs.
I would just like to know how did you get your water so Crystal Clear it is so beautiful and how can I prevent the tank crash that I did I've been in the hobby for over 10 years and it's like everytime I get a remember those fish mandarin goby it passes away what am I doing wrong with them
I have it know an I am so so sucked I may loss my fish but this video is letting me feel less stressed about it Iam feeding a lot an using metro an focus an garlic in there food what do u think is that a good thing that I am doing thanks love the videos man I hope too meet u at rap in Chicago
Going through our 1 first ich issue in our very first FOWLR, so insane! We have tried to be diligent about QT.... I mean everything got QT!!! Live rock, Anemone, snails, and fish! I am so stress i'm gonna get ich myself... lol I just don't buy into all this medication being safe for the fish. Thanks for the video! Still learning over here! :-)
Important...you have to let a tank be fallow for a lot longer than six weeks for Ich. Its about 60 days for Velvet and Ich is closer to 75 days...but I'd do 90 to be safe.
Is impossible to remove all the fish in the Long Island’s 20,000 gallon reef tank whenever there is an ich outbreak and put all the fish a hospital tank. Long Island’s 20,000 gallon reef has been running successfully everyday for 20 years with fish.
I been fighting with ich for months now and now that I had to get rid of my bigger fish to make space for a QT I’m leaving my DT empty for 90days and have the batch of fish I’m gonna keep in my 20gal QT now
My tank had a round of ich 2 years ago and most of my fish made it, including my yellow tang. I think when I tried to QT them, it just stressed them out even more and thats how I lost a few. So, I stopped bothering trying to treat it and also focused on quality instead. Ever since then those fish hadn't gotten it again or at least anything noticeable. Now I just added two butterfly fish. They didn't appear to have ich when I got them but I am wondering if this ich was the same that hit my tank awhile ago. None of the other fish have it (again at least not noticeable), so I am guessing they have just developed a stronger slime coat. I am curious to see how to butterflies overcome it. They are plenty active and at least the one is munching away on food. Still building the confidence for my copperband. He is eating blackworms and pods, and every once in a while I've noticed him nibbling at brine. Once his confidence boosts more, I don't think I need to worry too much. Even when facing a challenge, these fish never seize to amaze me.
I read an article years ago that said after about 10 or 11 cycles the ich strain gets weak to the point it poses little threat to healthy fish. Unless we introduce new ich again of course. This if true would be great for some of us who's systems are large enough that it is not feasible to tear down.
So true I didn't QT. Fish were healthy and happy and BAM! Ick came and wiped out 2 waves of fish :( but it could've been marine velvet which would've sucked more
great video, wondering how has it been since this video a few years ago, have you had ich again, much or any fish loss you contribute to ich, ive got ich on a blue tang, been dosing reef medic and only ever seen 2-3 small spots on him usually on fins, so was thinking it was keeping them at bay at least, but runnig out of days til max usage soon, dont have a quarrantine tank i could put all my fish in, so hoping to go your method, shpuld i do something to help them have a better slime coat?
I got a white tail tang not long ago and after 3 days if broke out with velvet (atleast i believe it was) i also had a foxface and a bunch of other fish in there with it. After day 4 the tang passed away. The weird thing is the foxface and everyone else didnt catch it, and its been several weeks, everyones still good. What do you guys think I should do? Take everyone out, treat them, and leave the tank to be fish free for 6weeks, or go for another fish and dip it in a medicated bath for an hour, followed up by a freshwater dip and put it in the display?
Scott, Like you I have worked so hard to keep Ich out of my DT with quarantine etc. Well, unfortunately somewhere somehow Ich came in and like you it's next to impossible to break down my entire Reef to pull out every fish and run fallow. So I did my very best to keep everything stress free, variety diet, and over all water quality in the best conditions I could. My stock is Purple Tang, Yellow Eye Kole, 6-line wrasse, coral beauty, cleaner wrasse, and one clown fish. Of course the tangs got hammered. My purple tang for a few days looked like he wasn't going to make it, but he kept eating and kept swimming, and was always trying to get the cleaner wrasse to clean him. Well his case of visible ich has seemed to subside and his behavior has begun to be more normal. Unfortunately I lost my yellow eye kole. So right now I am doing what I've been doing, feeding well, water quality and stress reduction. My question is at what point did you feel comfortable enough being "visibly ich free" that you introduced new fish?
Unfortunately I don't believe the ich is ever completely gone unless the tank is left fallow. I didn't add any new fish for months and so far its worked, but I'm always afraid it could flare up again. There really isn't a time frame that I'm comfortable with. The longer the better, but the risk is always there.
MileHighReefers Thank you for responding. That is my fear as well. So far the Purple Tang has really cleared up and I attribute this to the cleaner wrasse, I know what people say that they don't help. That maybe true for the parasite itself, but with the wounds and tissue that the ich cysts leave behind the cleaner wrasse really seems to help with that and the tang seems to really enjoy "being cleaned". So far no more deaths, and the other fish have shown no signs of ich besides the few spots left on the purple tang. Hopefully with a variety nutritious diet, little stress and pristine water the parasite will burn out. I also have a UV, not that I am positive it contributed any but what can it hurt right?
Some meds don't work . If u keep your water cooler ick won't be a problem and if u vav Clean water change the bottom of the Aquarium that will pick up and ick or maybe bad live in the water
Since you tank still has parasites, what is your process in adding new fish? Do you quarantine and pre treat them before adding in the DT? Or just add directly to DT?
Got outbreak when bringing in more clean up crew. Here we go. Let's see who makes it thru. Tang a gonner... maybe. Everyone else who made it thru outbreak 9 months ago seem great. Lets see who survives now. Hopefully yellow tang pull thru small battles. Ita gonna be very interesting to see who gets it. Who beats it.
My fish always get white spots on pectoral fins (side fins ) and have lived with them for a long time just my powder tang and my clown trigger have noticeable spots . My clown trigger always gets them but eats well and now my powder tang has them on his pectoral fins, but he eat well too. I give them Vitachem vitamins they are healthy . I tend to overfeed. I'm worried how long can they survive like this or just a matter of time they die . I have fish only tank
Like many of us I know there is ich in my tank. I lost a few fish to it. I agree with you healthy fish can resist ich. I do what I can to keep them feed well and stress free. The fish I have, have shown no signs in a few months, but I want just one more fish. If I can add it with as little stress as possible do you think he will be alright? I have no room for a qt sys, also my record with one is 0-3. But the fish store is very good and will qt it there. I am thinking something like a breeder box to keep separate until the others are used to it and he eats well.
If the store is QTing your fish you will likely be fine. Skin fish like tangs are some of the most susceptible to ich. Gobies are less prone to it than most other fish, so it will make a difference on the fish you want to add. When I added my last round of tangs I did have a mild out break, nothing major.
I have a freshwater fish tank and I think the pet store give my environment Ich. Just curious instead of putting Malachite green into my fish tank I have actual malachite stones could I put those in and have them work the same instead of the medication?
Great video and everything is looking very healthy I'm thinking of moving my Xenia to the middle like yours it looks really good ... Been offered a Kole tang what do you think should I get it this will be the last fish I add and my nitrates are at 0ppm and all my fish are behaving them selves .... How's your wife doing
Thanks Many, a Kole tang will be great in your tank you should get it. My wife is getting better slowly but surly. I have to go back to work on Friday so I hope she's somewhat self sufficient by then.
+MileHighReefers you will have to make her a flask of coffee and some sandwiches so she doesn't have to do anything and I'm sure your son will be a great little helper ( going to get the kole tang then will have it Thursday )
I have a brand new 35 gallon tank with 2 clownfish and 20 hermit crabs. I haven't added any corals yet but I have noticed a tiny bit of ich on one of the two clownfish. Would it be worth it to do hyposalinity prior to adding anything else in for 6 weeks just to ensure the ich dies?
and by the way I would like to know what bulbs do you use for your metal headlight system I have a 150 watt metal headlight system and I have coral life 96 watt compact fluorescent bulbs is there any different colors that I can put in besides attending Blues
I've had no sign of it in my system, I can't say I don't have it because although I dipped corals and scrubbed with a toothbrush I can only say I've not seen it. but I would love to know what recipe you feed your fish and how frequent you do.. thanks buddy. great video!
When i'm home I feed my fish twice a day with nori otherwise they get it once a day. I also feed LRS frozen food and New Life Spectrum pellets once a day.
+MileHighReefers just tried LRS foods and I'm really impressed with this food, expensive but fish like it. I think good nutritious food helps fish fight parasites.. also soaking food in garlic is a great way to keep the parasites to ever attach on the fish.
by the way I have a lot of brown algae in my tank I did have red slime in there and a lot of green algae but since I got in the middle headlight it has gotten rid of a lot of the green algae in it turn brown and some of it is turning into hair algae I did have the Ecotech Radion but I just kept dropping them into water and I kept happening to the replace them so metal headlights has been my best thing even my carpet an enemy likes it a lot better than he did to radians
I have ich in my 210 gallon reef tank and it has a lot of rock structures so I may never get all my fish out, especially the little ones. I just bought a UV sterilizer because I wanted one eventually anyway. Do you know if it will help kill ich that's in the water. I know it won't help with the ones on the fish, but will it eventually kill it over time? Do I really have to quarantine? I guess I could just not buy any more fish and just wait for them all to die and then wait 82 days for the ich to die. I'm lost as of what to do. Please help. Do you ever just quarantine the ones that visually have ich? Sorry, lots of questions.
Hey Scott!! love your videos bud, how about an update has the ick reapered. I'm currently going through an ick outbreak myself and was curious on trying "Medic my polyplab"??
Why do you have to rip the tank apart? Doesn't just taking the fish out and letting the tank go fallow for 6 weeks allow it to die off? So the tank would be free of ich right. Ich and velvet can only survive on a fish host correct?
Robert Rainey trying to catch fish in that size system would be hell. It would take days to catch all of those fish. The process of catching the fish is an extreme amount of stress to them. the more stress the worse it gets.
I hear you brother. I have a new180g system with some chromesses anthyases and 6 tangs. Just got 4 fire shrimps and the next morning my bloue tang got ich. The question is I don't have corals right now can I treat the tank with copper?
I've had white spot on a powder blue and powder brown since adding them to my reef after no signs in QT for a 6 week period. I guess I live with ick too and the new additions contract it as they are added. I guess this will always be the case now. they are also improving with time, no meds either. I have a clown tang and blue eye tang in QT in copper as they are scratching. we will see if they get ick again in the reef ??
Its been almost a year for me and once in a while I will see a spot. So far its all working. Those sound like some really cool fish. I hope it all goes well.
I keep my reef very simple.. Sal.1.025 CA 430, MAG1310 DKH8.2, NF 7.25 PO .0705. For fish to prevent ick Quarantine fish Quarantine frags in frags' system feed spectrum ich shield and water change 10% per fish weekly.
Recently got 2 turbo snails and one of them had to have had Brooks. And my QT was not ready water wise, so I skipped it like an idiot. Anyways one of my clowns got brooks a few days after the snails was put in. Moved her to the QT and been treating it with Cupramine cooper. My question is I read something about Formlin( formaldehyde) dip. Which is better??? Is the formlin faster and just very toxic so you can only dip it for a few mins then put the fish in QT? Any information about that method I would welcome since I have access to some 37% formaldehyde.
or even better... qt corals aswell as lettin ur tank sit fallow for ten weeks with ur sand and rock in it... qt each fish for same period. ur tank looks classy pal
They’re very simple, 10gal minimum I upgraded to a 20gal tall, I have two sponge filters, a heater, some pvc pipes for hiding spots, and that’s about it it’s very simple you don’t need a lot of stuff, I have a video of my QT on my channel you can check it out to give yourself an idea
This video gave me a little releaf, I just got ich from new fish, I lost 2 fish and now I see 2 more having ich! I'm using treatment (reef safe kind), I'll now focus on the water quality!
Man I hate ich so much and it's getting annoying and I've lost 3 tangs so far, I've got a fourth in my tank now and he has it but I don't have QT tank available atm:(
I feel your pain ich can be devastating, it sounds like you have a pretty bad case of it. I hate to say it but the best thing to do is pull all the fish in QT and treat them with copper and leave the display fallow for a minimum of 6 weeks. If it was me I would spend the money on a QT setup especially if you plan to keep more tangs. Keep in mind that some fish are sensitive to copper medication you will want to research your fish before treating them. Good Luck
Hey guys I recently got a yellow tang and it got ich I put it in isolation and I don’t wanna treat it with any chemicals how can I go about doing this he’s been eating no problem with pe mysis shrimp and nori do you think if I just keep doing what I normally do it will just run its course
Did your Yellow Tang pull through without pulling it out and quarantining it? I have ich in my 210 gallon reef tank on my 3 largest fish and it will be next to impossible to get all the fish out to do a proper quarantine. I sick too!
So I know I have ich on my DT and my hippo, tang, yellow tang, and clarkii have developed immunity to it. I tried adding a clown tang not so long ago and it perished from ich. So my question is: since my 3 remaining fish are basically immune from ich, does that mean that ich will disappear and starve in 72 days since it cannot successfully host on my remaining fishes?
So this slime method what does it entail. I've got a purple tang with a pit 12 spots on each side. Just keep feeding it garlic seaweed? The other fish dont have it
I think it may be just easier to ask you on here. So I've recently had a tank crash in my reef aquarium. Loss all my fish do to ich. I had a horrible outbreak. It was devastating. So I let my tank go fishless for 11 weeks. Added my new fish over the weekend. Yesterday notice white spot was on my chocolate tang. I was furious so frustrated how could this be?? I qt the new comers with copper. Tested the copper everyday. Yet ich got back into my system. Although the white spot I have right now is about 7 spots on my chocolate tang which is not nearly as bad as how bad it was before. I recently started feeding dr. Gs. Anti parasitic food. The tang is eating like crazy. Show no signs of being irritated. How luckily is it that he will pull through? Also he's the only fish showing white spot.
First fish tang treated for ich with meds died. Have had 2 others healthy didn't treat they lived. Now new tank set up new tang ich err... not treating...if fish is healthy & eating well see no need.
Ich can be incredibly frustrating. It is possible to eradicate it by taking all the fish out for 72 days. Its not always practical to do this in witch case we have to deal with it in the tank. With good husbandry your fish will likely be ok
Probably the best video i have seen so far on the subject. Your slowely earning my respect as a reefer, you seem like someone who may have some actual valuable experience compared to a plethora of other you tubers. In my experience owning a blue streak wrasse or also known as a common wrasse is a weapon that can be used against the parasite. I highly recommend one and visually observe what he does
you are absolutely right dude. my experiences with treating ick with medications suggested to me did more bad than good. I believe the medications, although says "safe" to fish is stressing the rest of the livestock in the tank and so I end up loosing most of my fish every single time. So, I have restarted over this last year and it has been months with no ick. Then just a few weeks ago I got me another blue tang "Dori"...darn fish always gets ick so easily. Anyway, I have decided to not treat it qith medication. I've noticed that the tang has been eating well and less and less ick on the body each day. I believe that the slime will take care of the ick so long as I keep up with good feeding and let things take care of itself. So far non of my other fish has gotten the ick from the tang. I assume it is because they are healthy and not stressed out from anything like medications.
Hey I am legit in the same situation as your post. How has it been going? ???
5:50 was the realest moment of this video.
I airways think of Ich as a cold. .people have thousands of cold remedies but there is no cure for the common cold. . In theory what you say is spot on. . Rest, food and good water quality plus time.
Thanks Dee That is a great analogy.
+NANO REEF AQUARIUM AUSTRALIA Several hundred aquariums around the world may disagree with you. . It's a endless debate which will fuel the medication industry forever. . Tank on
I think volume of water in your system has a lot to do with it too. Larger volume less chances for the parasite to afflict the same fish in short a cycle, giving the fish a chance to heal.
Also I swear I had a noticeable absence of parasites after installing the biggest UV steriliser I could afford and changing the tubes regular.y. It appears to reduce the risk of a new cycle.
Excellent points. I “have” ich in my mature sps packed 190 gal reef. It showed up many years ago on a purple tang. All fish are healthy and fed a varied diet. Occasionally I’ll see a spot on my foxface but no outbreaks. I also believe that sps polyps will consume the free swimming parasites as they are in the correct size range and corals eat what they can catch. I personally have never seen a mature reef tank that has an ich explosion. Just my thoughts
Glad everything turned out good for you. I continue to feed healthy and haven't seen any spots or sick fish in over a year.
Thanks! I'm glad to hear all is well with your tank.
This is the only video that makes sense to me. I had my yellow tang in quarantine for a month with no signs of ich at all then I added him to my display, he got ich 2 days later. All my other fish in the main display were healthy. I think ich is a very opportunistic parasite, and it targets the fish when it's stressed. It will go away once the fish is fully acclimated to the tank. Of course it's still present in my tank but at least the fish can fight it off when they're healthy. The idea of completely eradicate ich is cool but it's impossible because we can't sterilize each drop of water or each grain of sand!
I agree with you... Any of those treatments that claim to treat ich in the free floating stage are a waste of time and money.. either rip tank apart and QT everything or focus on healthy diet, Low stress and high water quality. I can say I have ether skipped the 3rd wave of ich in my tank or have finally reached the right ratio of low stress and water quality in my tank for it to not take out anymore of my fish... great video topic.. im sure you pissed some people off LOL...
Thanks! I know I pissed some people off. I got a lot of thumbs down really fast LOL. I'll I can do is tell my experience. I'm glad things worked out in your tank.
Wow you make a great point! All of a sudden my coral beauty angel has ich. And here I am watching your video.
I happened to pause it at 5:51 and thought the fish in the front had a huge smile on its face lol
I have had the same situation as you it seems like you are reading a page out of my ich problems. Last time I had ich on my blue hippo tang. I said the hell with it. I have too much money invested in my corrals to tear it down. I did not treat my tank with any meds I just did a water change every 4 days and soaked my food in garlic and it went away by its self. And my tank went 1 1/2 year with out it so far so good. Some times trying to catch the fish to medicate it stresses it out even more and it ends up dying probably due to the added stress of getting chased around the tank.
I fully agree I think in this hobby we eventually get to the point where we have to decide is this a coral tank with fish, or a fish tank with coral. Thanks for sharing your experience.
You make me feel better god bless you!! I hope your right
My ich strategy has been to use UV continuously when an outbreak is underway and for several months after that. Then I will cut back on the UV time during the day. This worked until recently when I had a spike in ‘tang drama and stress’. I needed to step up my game so I purchased a ‘whole house’ water filter with a 5 micron cartridge. I put a Jebao DCS-3000 pump on the input side of the filter and some stuff hoses on the output, fashioned a bracket so it would hang on the side of my 250 gal eurobraced tank. I primed it for an hour using food grade diatomaceous earth in a bucket of salt water. Then I transferred to my main tank. Unfortunately I did get a plume of silica in the tank but it cleared up quite quickly. Later on I further loaded more DE into the filter using a pipette. Almost immediate results and the ich outbreak is clearing up. I spent less than $100 on the filter and earth and I had the pump lying around already. I am going to plumb the DE filter into my main circulation pump when I have a moment. Oh and my water is super clear and all the fish seem much happier. I think that a DE filter should be one of the first go-to tools especially when there is an emergency. It can rapidly clear the water of the free-swimming form of ich and prevent your fishes natural defenses from being overwhelmed.
I agree find out what stressing out the affected fish and eliminate the stress. That's how I've always treated my ick problem.
It might be the OCD, love the video, but the table tapping... LOL
I agree I’ve tried the medication didn’t work only stressed out my coral as as I couldn’t tear my tank down to quarantine. I’ve been feeding my fish a garlic enriched pellet and poof the ich is gone a month later !
I have torn down my 90 gallon and went fallow treating my fish with copper in a qt. I still maintain a empty tank with saltwater just in the event I get a new addition. Even with this I can still get it on a piece of coral or invert. It's just that you can take all the precautions and still get it..ugghh
Hey Scott, I love your videos my friend. I don't feel belittled with you and Steve, you are DOWN TO EARTH people who won't shun someone with an issue. I'm fairly new to the hobby, but I've done my homework and then some, for roughly a year now. I would like to discuss further with you about ich, and your tank/setup, as I have discovered my 8 inch Naso has intermittent ich, some days he/she has none or maybe a spot, and some days he/she has 10 spots, regardless, this Naso has an appetite ALWAYS, and this fish I love, it's my pride and joy! Like Steve and yourself, I am a HUGE tang fan, I currently have 5 tangs in a 180gal+40gal sump+30gal refugium. That is 250gal of water volume, and due to the large nature of this water volume, it's not easy just testing things apart and getting rid of ich! As I'm sure you know.
Sorry for the long comment, I love the reef talk, I'm a huge follower, I love your tank my friend, it is amazing.
I would like to hopefully discuss in much more detail about ich, if you can provide any additional information, or just chat in general, you and Steve won't bash me for adding 2 zebrasoma tangs in my 180gal unlike everyone else I've talked to. Please respond and please keep the videos coming!
Hope to speak with you soon, hope the wife recovers as well, take care friend.
-KevN-
Tearing things apart***
I do have a few questions about a quarantine I set up a couple months ago, and maybe some options I may have, as losing any one of my tangs would be devastating. Sorry for lengthy comments! Also, like you(not sure if you have the 20s), I have the Jaebo RW/PP20s, for the money, you just can't beat them, and they are insanely powerful. Take care!
I just noticed today that 2 of my Rummynose Tetras have ich. Thanks for the video.
Ich I'm freshwater is much easier to treat then in a reef tank. For freshwater just turn up your heater to 82-84 for a few days
You are right bro...good filter...good water N every time new fish coming we have to put them into the Quarantine Tank that contains copper...and that's it..all good.
But I'm highly recommend to you all...if you want to have marine fish then just having fish so in case if the white spot come back all you have to do just add copper back into the water then when the white spot gone...then just change 20% of new water N all done..
But if you doing with corals. ..I have no comments. .coz it's a headache.
Good luck to you all.
I feel the same way about the medication. I feel like the treatment actually kills the fish with the ammonia spike . Just lost my sailfin tang that was very healthy and 5 anthias that I had just added to the tank .
I'm with you Scott. Always quarantine and use Copper in QT if fish develops ich. If Ich hits the main display I stay away from those so called magic treatments. I say feed well, I use Selcon for some extra vitamins, good water quality and keep my fingers crossed.
Thanks, there is no magic treatment that i'm aware of. I didn't mention the Selcon I do use it I just don't push it as an ich treatment. People don't seem to get the difference between feeding a fish for optimal health and the myth that garlic and ginger stop ich. Thanks for watching!
I agree with your entire video -
1. We should responsibly QT and avoid risking current and new fish
2. If the ich sneaked in, do NOT use medicines in main tank. Do NOT try t9 catch and hopital all fishes in small / new tanks. That will cause more damage.
3. Focus on feeding, water quality and minimal stress, ich will slowly diminish.
I just had an outbreak 2 months back and ich is almost out ... i will wait for 2 more months before i think of any new addition to the tank. But all but 1 (anthias) current fishes made it.
Of course i had a regrettable lost of 1 fish and I will be more careful next time
A. I will QT with copper, if new fiah can take copper followed by General Cure.
2. Avoid bringing fish that has been with lfs for less than 1 week.
Man i feel you scott i have gd done everything by the book and just woke up today with ich on my scopas baby unicorn 2 chocolate tangs and a foxface....man back to square one...great video man 🍻
Freemans Aquatics ouch it’s just the worst. I wish you the best of luck it’s a challenge to say the least
great video Scott. the way you address this subject was right on. taking an herbal approach with your parameters, ie: diet, water quality and such is a better way than to use a product that has no scientific data to back up what they say.
Thanks Darren, I wish there was some science behind these products. The hobby could really use a reef safe ich cure.
+MileHighReefers I agree. these products that say they cure ich only help slow the process while it's in the water column. as we know it needs to be eradicated to be completely safe.
I think volume of water in your system has a lot to do with it too. Larger volume less chances for the parasite to afflict the same fish in short a cycle, giving the fish a chance to heal.
Also I swear I had a noticeable absence of parasites after installing the biggest UV steriliser I could afford and changing the tubes regular.y. It appears to reduce the risk of a new cycle.
A big UV would be awesome. They're so expensive thou.
+MileHighReefers yes they are and so are our fish.
I've had so much success with them and it has been a proven effective way to keep it at bay and break the parasite cycle .
Would say that if the bulbs are old and the uv steriliser is too small it don't work as well.
Hyposalinity + quarantine will assure Ich free Tank
Hey Scott, I think it's worth mentioning that the ick parasite needs to attach to fish to complete its life cycle. While it can be present its encysted or free swimming state in water that you might bring home with coral or inverts. The parasite itself cannot attach to them to feed if there are no fish present the parasite will die within a few days. If you quarantine incoming fish in one tank and corals and inverts in another for 4 to 6 weeks (will be shorter for the coral invert quarantine tank) you will not introduce ick into your display. Quarantine is the key though, I know there's reefers that argue against it but there's not one public aquarium, or aquaculture research laboratory that doesn't quarantine incoming fish. That's enough proof for me.
I fully agree with everything you said those are some great points. I really wish I had the ability to QT all my corals and inverts. This may need to be my next project. Thanks for sharing.
Good vid. I've been wondering as I too believe ich is in my 75 nonetheless the fish are doing well for the most part. I've come to the same conclusion. As I prepare to move to Tangs in a new 125 your advice is invaluable. Thanks. we all appreciate the help.
Thanks! a 125 is such a nice tank size, congrats on the upgrade. If your tangs are OK right now you will probably be OK with the new setup. It's never a guarantee but I bet everything will go well.
@@MileHighReefers Do you use a uv sterilizer? I have one to reduce pathogens/ick in the water column. It won't cure it but help reduce them in the water.
@@davidmurphy4672 no, but I think they make a lot of sense for larger systems. I’m looking at big changes in my future. IUV may be one of them.
Taking fish out is the hard part. What medication can be used during quarantine to rid ich?
Think i may have introduced it to my tank through a orange sponge. I turned temps up and doing daily water changes. Can tell by the behaviour of the fish, hopefully there itch free soon an happy again. I dont like bottled additives and remedies really, last resort. Thanks for great video
I really hope your successful ich can be such a pain, but it can be beaten.
dose with stress coat. It can replace some of the slime coat with aloe vera, (or well help it grow back by covering your fish in a slime).
great points Scott!
Thanks!
The reality sucks, thanks for posting.
Thanks its been a long hard road but its working.
that's what I do. Keep my tangs, fish well fed and fat... they are happy and stress free
Fat and happy that's how I like my tangs.
Iam currently trying this method as don't have another option.blue tang us the only fish showing signs ,so hopefully I'll get lucky and slim coat will come through for me
I wish you would have brought this to my attention two months ago because I just experienced a tank crash I did everything that you were saying and I still experience that tank crash all of my fish got it on them and all of my corals died and all of my starfish my clams and my sponges has passed away I only have 3 fish and my system now
I wish I would have know about this 2 month ago I could have saved myself a lot of pain. I feel your pain it really sucks when our tanks crash. I haven't used a hailed light in quite a while, but last time I did I used Ushio 20K bulbs.
I would just like to know how did you get your water so Crystal Clear it is so beautiful and how can I prevent the tank crash that I did I've been in the hobby for over 10 years and it's like everytime I get a remember those fish mandarin goby it passes away what am I doing wrong with them
Great video thanks...very interesting and informative.
Thanks!
I have it know an I am so so sucked I may loss my fish but this video is letting me feel less stressed about it Iam feeding a lot an using metro an focus an garlic in there food what do u think is that a good thing that I am doing thanks love the videos man I hope too meet u at rap in Chicago
Going through our 1 first ich issue in our very first FOWLR, so insane! We have tried to be diligent about QT.... I mean everything got QT!!! Live rock, Anemone, snails, and fish! I am so stress i'm gonna get ich myself... lol I just don't buy into all this medication being safe for the fish. Thanks for the video! Still learning over here! :-)
I feel your pain no matter no matter how good we QT stuff can still sneak in.
Trina Basaj The point isn't QT but your failure to treat for ich and other parasites prophylactically.
Important...you have to let a tank be fallow for a lot longer than six weeks for Ich. Its about 60 days for Velvet and Ich is closer to 75 days...but I'd do 90 to be safe.
Is impossible to remove all the fish in the Long Island’s 20,000 gallon reef tank whenever
there is an ich outbreak and put all the fish a hospital tank.
Long Island’s 20,000 gallon reef has been running successfully everyday for 20 years with fish.
I been fighting with ich for months now and now that I had to get rid of my bigger fish to make space for a QT I’m leaving my DT empty for 90days and have the batch of fish I’m gonna keep in my 20gal QT now
My tank had a round of ich 2 years ago and most of my fish made it, including my yellow tang. I think when I tried to QT them, it just stressed them out even more and thats how I lost a few. So, I stopped bothering trying to treat it and also focused on quality instead. Ever since then those fish hadn't gotten it again or at least anything noticeable. Now I just added two butterfly fish. They didn't appear to have ich when I got them but I am wondering if this ich was the same that hit my tank awhile ago. None of the other fish have it (again at least not noticeable), so I am guessing they have just developed a stronger slime coat. I am curious to see how to butterflies overcome it. They are plenty active and at least the one is munching away on food. Still building the confidence for my copperband. He is eating blackworms and pods, and every once in a while I've noticed him nibbling at brine. Once his confidence boosts more, I don't think I need to worry too much. Even when facing a challenge, these fish never seize to amaze me.
Do you quarantine and treat new fish before adding to DT?
Great video.
Thanks!
I read an article years ago that said after about 10 or 11 cycles the ich strain gets weak to the point it poses little threat to healthy fish. Unless we introduce new ich again of course. This if true would be great for some of us who's systems are large enough that it is not feasible to tear down.
You can just do the best we can that’s it
So true I didn't QT. Fish were healthy and happy and BAM! Ick came and wiped out 2 waves of fish :( but it could've been marine velvet which would've sucked more
Which is we I agree with all your statements!
great video, wondering how has it been since this video a few years ago, have you had ich again, much or any fish loss you contribute to ich, ive got ich on a blue tang, been dosing reef medic and only ever seen 2-3 small spots on him usually on fins, so was thinking it was keeping them at bay at least, but runnig out of days til max usage soon, dont have a quarrantine tank i could put all my fish in, so hoping to go your method, shpuld i do something to help them have a better slime coat?
I got a white tail tang not long ago and after 3 days if broke out with velvet (atleast i believe it was) i also had a foxface and a bunch of other fish in there with it. After day 4 the tang passed away. The weird thing is the foxface and everyone else didnt catch it, and its been several weeks, everyones still good. What do you guys think I should do? Take everyone out, treat them, and leave the tank to be fish free for 6weeks, or go for another fish and dip it in a medicated bath for an hour, followed up by a freshwater dip and put it in the display?
Scott,
Like you I have worked so hard to keep Ich out of my DT with quarantine etc. Well, unfortunately somewhere somehow Ich came in and like you it's next to impossible to break down my entire Reef to pull out every fish and run fallow. So I did my very best to keep everything stress free, variety diet, and over all water quality in the best conditions I could. My stock is Purple Tang, Yellow Eye Kole, 6-line wrasse, coral beauty, cleaner wrasse, and one clown fish. Of course the tangs got hammered. My purple tang for a few days looked like he wasn't going to make it, but he kept eating and kept swimming, and was always trying to get the cleaner wrasse to clean him. Well his case of visible ich has seemed to subside and his behavior has begun to be more normal. Unfortunately I lost my yellow eye kole. So right now I am doing what I've been doing, feeding well, water quality and stress reduction. My question is at what point did you feel comfortable enough being "visibly ich free" that you introduced new fish?
Unfortunately I don't believe the ich is ever completely gone unless the tank is left fallow. I didn't add any new fish for months and so far its worked, but I'm always afraid it could flare up again. There really isn't a time frame that I'm comfortable with. The longer the better, but the risk is always there.
MileHighReefers
Thank you for responding. That is my fear as well. So far the Purple Tang has really cleared up and I attribute this to the cleaner wrasse, I know what people say that they don't help. That maybe true for the parasite itself, but with the wounds and tissue that the ich cysts leave behind the cleaner wrasse really seems to help with that and the tang seems to really enjoy "being cleaned". So far no more deaths, and the other fish have shown no signs of ich besides the few spots left on the purple tang. Hopefully with a variety nutritious diet, little stress and pristine water the parasite will burn out. I also have a UV, not that I am positive it contributed any but what can it hurt right?
What about anemones? It needs to be removed too?
Some meds don't work . If u keep your water cooler ick won't be a problem and if u vav Clean water change the bottom of the Aquarium that will pick up and ick or maybe bad live in the water
Since you tank still has parasites, what is your process in adding new fish? Do you quarantine and pre treat them before adding in the DT? Or just add directly to DT?
Got outbreak when bringing in more clean up crew. Here we go. Let's see who makes it thru. Tang a gonner... maybe. Everyone else who made it thru outbreak 9 months ago seem great. Lets see who survives now. Hopefully yellow tang pull thru small battles. Ita gonna be very interesting to see who gets it. Who beats it.
Awesome fish video! Thanks for sharing and very informative
Relatively ick resistant fish:
1. Ocellaris Clownfish
2. Wrasses / Hogfish
3. Hawkfish
4. Foxface / Rabbitfish
5. Cardinalfish
6. Damselfish
7. Some large angels
8. Zebrasoma Tangs (for Tangs)
9. Cethnochaetus Tangs (for Tangs)
10. Large Naso / Acanthurus Tangs (for Tangs)
@@Booneville2024 I love them. However I heard they’re hard to feed is that true?
@@Booneville2024 Yeah I see. Thanks. :) I will try to get the best possible nutrition for my fish.
My fish always get white spots on pectoral fins (side fins ) and have lived with them for a long time just my powder tang and my clown trigger have noticeable spots . My clown trigger always gets them but eats well and now my powder tang has them on his pectoral fins, but he eat well too. I give them Vitachem vitamins they are healthy . I tend to overfeed. I'm worried how long can they survive like this or just a matter of time they die . I have fish only tank
i went to summer frag show in Plymouth Michigan on Aug 7 2016 its on youtube if you want to watch it
Nice I'll check it out!
Like many of us I know there is ich in my tank. I lost a few fish to it. I agree with you healthy fish can resist ich. I do what I can to keep them feed well and stress free. The fish I have, have shown no signs in a few months, but I want just one more fish. If I can add it with as little stress as possible do you think he will be alright? I have no room for a qt sys, also my record with one is 0-3. But the fish store is very good and will qt it there. I am thinking something like a breeder box to keep separate until the others are used to it and he eats well.
If the store is QTing your fish you will likely be fine. Skin fish like tangs are some of the most susceptible to ich. Gobies are less prone to it than most other fish, so it will make a difference on the fish you want to add. When I added my last round of tangs I did have a mild out break, nothing major.
I have a freshwater fish tank and I think the pet store give my environment Ich. Just curious instead of putting Malachite green into my fish tank I have actual malachite stones could I put those in and have them work the same instead of the medication?
i agree with the slime coat method...think about it, mandarin dragnets hardly ever get ich. that's because they have a really thick coat.
Great video and everything is looking very healthy I'm thinking of moving my Xenia to the middle like yours it looks really good ... Been offered a Kole tang what do you think should I get it this will be the last fish I add and my nitrates are at 0ppm and all my fish are behaving them selves .... How's your wife doing
Thanks Many, a Kole tang will be great in your tank you should get it. My wife is getting better slowly but surly. I have to go back to work on Friday so I hope she's somewhat self sufficient by then.
+MileHighReefers you will have to make her a flask of coffee and some sandwiches so she doesn't have to do anything and I'm sure your son will be a great little helper ( going to get the kole tang then will have it Thursday )
ick can stay dormant for many months
I have a brand new 35 gallon tank with 2 clownfish and 20 hermit crabs. I haven't added any corals yet but I have noticed a tiny bit of ich on one of the two clownfish. Would it be worth it to do hyposalinity prior to adding anything else in for 6 weeks just to ensure the ich dies?
and by the way I would like to know what bulbs do you use for your metal headlight system I have a 150 watt metal headlight system and I have coral life 96 watt compact fluorescent bulbs is there any different colors that I can put in besides attending Blues
I keep seeing comments about ginger but with no info on what ginger to use, how much or anything else.
Why do folks always have to take things to the next level. As long as you're happy with your system live and let live. .
I sent you a message on your channel about this.
so if remove all fishes from the tank, and leave the corals and rocks inside for 6 weeks will ich came back anyways ?
I've had no sign of it in my system, I can't say I don't have it because although I dipped corals and scrubbed with a toothbrush I can only say I've not seen it.
but I would love to know what recipe you feed your fish and how frequent you do.. thanks buddy. great video!
When i'm home I feed my fish twice a day with nori otherwise they get it once a day. I also feed LRS frozen food and New Life Spectrum pellets once a day.
+MileHighReefers just tried LRS foods and I'm really impressed with this food, expensive but fish like it. I think good nutritious food helps fish fight parasites.. also soaking food in garlic is a great way to keep the parasites to ever attach on the fish.
I agree steve.
by the way I have a lot of brown algae in my tank I did have red slime in there and a lot of green algae but since I got in the middle headlight it has gotten rid of a lot of the green algae in it turn brown and some of it is turning into hair algae I did have the Ecotech Radion but I just kept dropping them into water and I kept happening to the replace them so metal headlights has been my best thing even my carpet an enemy likes it a lot better than he did to radians
I have ich in my 210 gallon reef tank and it has a lot of rock structures so I may never get all my fish out, especially the little ones. I just bought a UV sterilizer because I wanted one eventually anyway. Do you know if it will help kill ich that's in the water. I know it won't help with the ones on the fish, but will it eventually kill it over time? Do I really have to quarantine? I guess I could just not buy any more fish and just wait for them all to die and then wait 82 days for the ich to die. I'm lost as of what to do. Please help. Do you ever just quarantine the ones that visually have ich? Sorry, lots of questions.
Hey Scott!! love your videos bud, how about an update has the ick reapered. I'm currently going through an ick outbreak myself and was curious on trying "Medic my polyplab"??
Hey did you try it and so did it work the medic
How long did your fish show white spots for. I am on week 2-1/2. But powder blue tang is still eating a lot.
I wish all the fish dyed. Even the clowns I had for 13 years
Any updates on this? Thank you!
Why do you have to rip the tank apart? Doesn't just taking the fish out and letting the tank go fallow for 6 weeks allow it to die off? So the tank would be free of ich right. Ich and velvet can only survive on a fish host correct?
Robert Rainey trying to catch fish in that size system would be hell. It would take days to catch all of those fish. The process of catching the fish is an extreme amount of stress to them. the more stress the worse it gets.
Oh that makes sense. Thanks and hope you are doing well :)
I hear you brother. I have a new180g system with some chromesses anthyases and 6 tangs. Just got 4 fire shrimps and the next morning my bloue tang got ich. The question is I don't have corals right now can I treat the tank with copper?
Moshe Metayev you will kill all your invertebrates and any live rock in the tank will absorb the copper making them unsafe for a reef.
I've had white spot on a powder blue and powder brown since adding them to my reef after no signs in QT for a 6 week period. I guess I live with ick too and the new additions contract it as they are added. I guess this will always be the case now. they are also improving with time, no meds either. I have a clown tang and blue eye tang in QT in copper as they are scratching. we will see if they get ick again in the reef ??
Its been almost a year for me and once in a while I will see a spot. So far its all working. Those sound like some really cool fish. I hope it all goes well.
I keep my reef very simple.. Sal.1.025 CA 430, MAG1310 DKH8.2, NF 7.25 PO .0705. For fish to prevent ick Quarantine fish Quarantine frags in frags' system feed spectrum ich shield and water change 10% per fish weekly.
I do not buy other junk unless I want to take it to the next level like coral snow or redsea programme.
Recently got 2 turbo snails and one of them had to have had Brooks. And my QT was not ready water wise, so I skipped it like an idiot. Anyways one of my clowns got brooks a few days after the snails was put in. Moved her to the QT and been treating it with Cupramine cooper. My question is I read something about Formlin( formaldehyde) dip. Which is better??? Is the formlin faster and just very toxic so you can only dip it for a few mins then put the fish in QT? Any information about that method I would welcome since I have access to some 37% formaldehyde.
I have been really lucky and I've never had brooks, so i'm not sure what is best.
how is this wo med
or even better... qt corals aswell as lettin ur tank sit fallow for ten weeks with ur sand and rock in it... qt each fish for same period. ur tank looks classy pal
Thanks That would be Ideal.
Can you please tell me how to setup a QT tank ?? And what’s in it
They’re very simple, 10gal minimum I upgraded to a 20gal tall, I have two sponge filters, a heater, some pvc pipes for hiding spots, and that’s about it it’s very simple you don’t need a lot of stuff, I have a video of my QT on my channel you can check it out to give yourself an idea
This video gave me a little releaf, I just got ich from new fish, I lost 2 fish and now I see 2 more having ich! I'm using treatment (reef safe kind), I'll now focus on the water quality!
what about puffer
are flame angels good in reefs? it would look beautiful in your tank.
They are better then most angels, but they do eat coral sometimes. That be said they are so beautiful.
Man I hate ich so much and it's getting annoying and I've lost 3 tangs so far, I've got a fourth in my tank now and he has it but I don't have QT tank available atm:(
I feel your pain ich can be devastating, it sounds like you have a pretty bad case of it. I hate to say it but the best thing to do is pull all the fish in QT and treat them with copper and leave the display fallow for a minimum of 6 weeks. If it was me I would spend the money on a QT setup especially if you plan to keep more tangs. Keep in mind that some fish are sensitive to copper medication you will want to research your fish before treating them. Good Luck
How can we get the fish outta the tank , the fish are gonna hide in the rocks right away
That's the problem. I've tried fish traps but haven't had much luck. In my case I would have to pull all the rock and coral to catch the fish.
Hey guys I recently got a yellow tang and it got ich I put it in isolation and I don’t wanna treat it with any chemicals how can I go about doing this he’s been eating no problem with pe mysis shrimp and nori do you think if I just keep doing what I normally do it will just run its course
Did your Yellow Tang pull through without pulling it out and quarantining it? I have ich in my 210 gallon reef tank on my 3 largest fish and it will be next to impossible to get all the fish out to do a proper quarantine. I sick too!
how do you prevent marine velvet?
Qt
Will ich be on all the fish in the tank
So I know I have ich on my DT and my hippo, tang, yellow tang, and clarkii have developed immunity to it. I tried adding a clown tang not so long ago and it perished from ich. So my question is: since my 3 remaining fish are basically immune from ich, does that mean that ich will disappear and starve in 72 days since it cannot successfully host on my remaining fishes?
soak fish food with garlic ,just use home garlic
Are you planning of getting more fish (tangs)
No more tangs the new show name is 8 is enough.
Can you do a update on the cowfish reef tank
I'll try and get to that soon. He's still doing well.
So this slime method what does it entail. I've got a purple tang with a pit 12 spots on each side. Just keep feeding it garlic seaweed? The other fish dont have it
Add garlic to your reef a few times a week and marinate with the fish food and you will never get ick!
Raw garlic in the food thawing water or dried powder or granuals?
I have a question is there anyway I can email you and talk to you about the ich problem I'm having right mow
Send me a private message and I'll send you my Email. It may take me awhile to respond, I've been so busy lately.
MileHighReefers okay will do.
Idk if if I sent it right. Here's my email if you can et back to me. Segula29@gmail.com
I think it may be just easier to ask you on here. So I've recently had a tank crash in my reef aquarium. Loss all my fish do to ich. I had a horrible outbreak. It was devastating. So I let my tank go fishless for 11 weeks. Added my new fish over the weekend. Yesterday notice white spot was on my chocolate tang. I was furious so frustrated how could this be?? I qt the new comers with copper. Tested the copper everyday. Yet ich got back into my system. Although the white spot I have right now is about 7 spots on my chocolate tang which is not nearly as bad as how bad it was before. I recently started feeding dr. Gs. Anti parasitic food. The tang is eating like crazy. Show no signs of being irritated. How luckily is it that he will pull through? Also he's the only fish showing white spot.
I am fuc...ed up. I have lost my 8 fish last night because of ich.
That sucks sorry for your loss
First fish tang treated for ich with meds died. Have had 2 others healthy didn't treat they lived. Now new tank set up new tang ich err... not treating...if fish is healthy & eating well see no need.
Ich can be incredibly frustrating. It is possible to eradicate it by taking all the fish out for 72 days. Its not always practical to do this in witch case we have to deal with it in the tank. With good husbandry your fish will likely be ok