Moskva: The Doomed Destiny of Russia's Grandest Warship
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- Опубликовано: 4 авг 2023
- Unveiling the Fall of a Russian Legend: The Sinking of Cruiser Moskva. Witness the dramatic end of an era, as Ukraine strikes a blow to Putin's ambitions and stands tall against its past oppressor.
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Russia tech is so advanced, the Moskiva went from being a surface ship to a submarine
😂
Next time it will be a VTOL 😮😮😮
@@kdawg9477also a bunch of rich fucks recently moved in 😂
Not really, it's nothing to do with how advanced or not Russian tech is, every wall ship is vulnerable to anti ship missiles, that is the whole point. The issue was underestimating the Ukraine's ability to deploy one of these.
And this funny how propaganda channels like this constantly parrots how I dated rushes military supposedly is, yet don't say anything when two kinzhal missiles destroy several NATO top generals in Ukraine, Even when they are protected by multiple patriot missile defense systems
And Russia will win.. It's inevitable..
Moskva was not sunk. It just went on a special submerging operation.
Submarine Moskva!
This Russian technology is way beyond anything anyone else has. How long has it now been out there without surfacing once to rearm or refuel. Almost as advanced as their stealth fighters that even Putin can’t find.
Its the Advanced Weapon that Putin mentioned nobody else in the world has 😂
Come up with something new, these are old jokes, stale
@@milutinke be our guest, feel free to come up with something new. That would be more than what the Russian navy has done in 3 decades.
I had a chance to tour two Soviet warships in the early 1990s when they visited Mayport, Florida. One was the Slava's sister ship, Marshal Ustinov. That was when I started to realize that the big, scary Russian bear was a paper tiger. Except that's an insult to tigers. And paper.
They need all the extra weapon systems because they don't expect half of them to function.
Unfortunately their nukes aren't made of paper ☹️ and we live too close for comfort. There should be more efforts at talks here. This continuing war is just enriching the shareholders of the death merchants like Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Boeing etc. These companies need people to die in war to stay in business. Plus, poking an angry bear isn't a good idea. America wanted this war to boost the war industry. Not defending Russia, but this is just a, geopolitical game that kills innocent women and children and destroys families. There's absolutely nothing to cheer about.
These ships' biggest problem is that even if their equipment worked as claimed they are only capable of tracking a max of 8 threats compared to 32 for a US or UK warship, it means there is no point mounting all those systems because they can't actually be leveraged, in fact the concentrations of ordinance just make them floating bombs. As it turns out they can't even track 2 threats, typical Russian "engineering" right there, all show and no go.
…tigers…paper. Good one! 😂
The USSR had fallen by that time. They weren't top notch anymore.
Telling a warship to go F themselves has to be one of the greatest responses to a threat of invasion in all of history... that com officer is a legend.
Ranks up there with "nuts" to the Nazis at Bastogne.
Or the British parachute battalion surrounded by a panzer division. When the germans asked if the brits wanted to discuss surrender, they were told “we do not have the proper facilities to take you all prisoner, I’m sorry. We’d like to, but it’s just not possible.”
It’s possibly a myth, but I’d love it to have a grain of truth in it somewhere.
The Commander of the units at Bastogne when asked to surrender by the Germans responded, "Nuts".
I just would like to be present when putin got news that moskva was sunk ... I bet he sit down , and thought ... they sayid 3 days...
If there's one thing i learned from brilliant comedy "The Death of Stalin" which still holds true today: Russian ships don't sink, Russian planes don't crash, Russian Tanks don't break down. Also as other people have said LazerPig's video about the Moskva is a brilliant watch. To paraphrase him; if any western ship was inspected and found in the same condition, the Captain would be court martialled and it never would be sent to war
Yeah the entire senior staff and command structure would be drawn and quartered
They would be tried for treason
There needs to be a Death of Stalin type satire about the Russian 2nd Pacific Squadron.
BS thats why the Prince of Wales was more like a Submarine than an aircraft carrier shipped so much water right from the builders before you go knocking other Navy's have a look at the Royal Navy ships that can't sale because the water is to warm aircraft carriers that break down before they get ten miles from port. But hey ho keep telling yourself we are the best in the world 😂
@@allansmith3837 tell me how is the russian admiral kuznezov?
The flagship of the Black Sea fleet being sunk by a country without a navy will never stop being funny.
Idk, that kayak with a minigun strapped to the from seems like a pretty competent navy to me :p
Hey! Russia still hasn't said what caused the fire that sank the Moskova! It could have been a Ukrainian anti-ship missile or a Russian sailor carelessly smoking! We don't know! Lmao
@@chaosXP3RT I love how the Russians and their simps think losing a flagship to someone smoking or a still exploding in catastrophic negligence is somehow better than losing it to enemy action in a war, wartime losses happen and sometimes their are lessons to be learned and other times its just circumstantial but an accident/negligence causing this would just be shameful.
@@Tuberuser187 It's still funny to me because Vatniks refuse to even talk about it. Like it's obvious the Ukrainians sank it, but if you bring it up, they cling to the "there was a fire" excuse! Lmao
Yeah, what caused the fire???
@@Tuberuser187But it's not a war according to Putin 😂
A favorite ship for modelers. The box art consists of a picture of the ocean and nothing else. No ship. Opening the box one finds that the box is empty. A very easy build. No assembly required. The box art can be cut out and displayed on ones' wall in their hobby room.😁😁😁😁
Minor correction about the range of the ships guns and artillery: the 30 mm gatling guns have a maxrang of 5 km, not 24. The dual-barrel AK-130 artillery cannons have a range of 24 km, so that's probably where the misinterpretation was. Great video overall, and I'm glad the Moskva has found a new, more peaceful home at the bottom of the sea.
As a Syrian I really appreciate mentioning the war crimes committed in Syria.
Personal belief: getting away with documented war crimes in Syria, is what gave Putin the illusion that he can do it again and again.
And getting away with annexing land in Ukraine in 2014, and with grabbing land from Georgia, and with leveling Chechnya with the ground... the list kind of goes on and on. Nobody learned anything from the Munich Agreement - appeasement and hoping the imperialist dictators are sated never works. They always want more.
Chechnya
@@AvanaVana not ignoring Chechnya, but the world consider it as internal issue for Russia, as an excuse not to get involved, the same reason I didn't mention the Syrian government in my previous comment.
Putin was sanctioned following the attack on Georgia, nothing major.
After they got into Syria, the west cheered the involvement.
Georgia and Crimea solidified his belief that he could get away with a full on invasion of Ukraine.
There's an argument that the only reason the West decided to help Ukraine as much as they have is because Russia's early blunders convinced them Ukraine might actually have a chance. Georgia folded fairly quickly. Syria is a hot mess of conflicting factions; though there was some US involvement there, they infamously pulled-out under Trump's orders only for Russian troops to occupy the bases. There were sanctions placed in response the invading Crimea, but not to a level that concerned Putin.
That being said, you are absolutely correct; letting Putin get away with this kind of thing time and time-again has only emboldened him to keep going. Defeating Russia in Ukraine and penalising them adequately is essential to maintaining any semblance of international security and state sovereignty.
Someone else said it best:
“In two years Russia has gone from the second most capable military in the world, to the second most advanced military in Europe, to the second most powerful military in Ukraine.”
There not even the second most powerful military in Russia at the moment
How's that counteroffensive going?
They'd be the 3rd most powerful army in Russia after Freedom of Russia & Wagner apparently.
How are the Ukrainian attacks on Russia going? A few drones breaking a few windows must be striking fear in their hearts hahaha.
And yet somehow Ukraine still haven't been able to expel them from their country a year and a half later, even with the backing of NATO.
Love this episode! As usual, the writing is superb, and Simon's presentation style is without peers! I especially love the closing lines: "A lie told by the Kremlin to justify its colonial empire - an empire the wannabe czar Putin dreams so desperately of rebuilding. We can only hope that in the coming months his dream goes the same way as the Moskva: reduced to nothing more than a pitiful, broken wreck by Ukraine bravely standing up to its old overlord."
Simon your telling of the saga of the Moskava was brutal! I thank you for this. Thanks for the video!!!
Fun fact: If you steal the money you set aside for maintenance, bad things can happen to your ships
The corruption problem in the Army is much worse than the navy, because you cant walk home on the ocean.
We are fortunate their corruption is destroying themselves from the inside. If they were just a bit competent, WW3 may just have started and Russia may start taking the Baltics and Moldova.
It's not just that, Russia lost a massive amount of equipment to Western collectors through Ebay and the like.
@@allewis4008Not really. A little perhaps, but given the huge amounts of equipment a few hundred vehicles makes no difference. It was "ripping out all the copper from five hundred tanks" thievery that did a lot of the russian army in, after the commanders had stolen the pay checks of the people that instead got their payment from pieces of equipment.
@@57thorns Well that and selling diesel from all their vehicles in the days before the invasion. Most of the money went on vodka so there were a lot of drunk and hung over soldiers sitting at the side of the road.
LazerPig has a breakdown that goes over a service document of the Moscva from fourteen days prior to the invasion. To say it wasn't pretty is like saying the surface of the sun is a tiny bit hot
saw that COMPLETE nightmare based on the maitenance report of the Moskva.
The service document may or may not be authentic. Only Russia can confirm that it is real, and they would never acknowledge the issues raised in the report. Much of the report makes sense given what we know about Russia's lack of maintenance on other vessels as well as the age of the Moskva. One thing that was noted in the report was the fabled defense was not working because the systems were in dire need of maintenance and the radar could not be powered while the vessel was moving. Something that is glossed over is that 2 Neptune missiles should not have been able to sink the Moskva even if the defenses were down. But 2 missiles causing a fire and the Moskva not having adequate fire control systems due to all their issues makes sense.
@@minhduong1484 well the results are the results. the Moskva is now a artifical reef, had its weapons systems been active it wouldnt be sleeping with the fishes.
@@minhduong1484 Agreed, the report may or may not be real. However, I believe the report because even during the Soviet Union days things like overhauls and engine replacements was the exception, not the rule. General Maintenace was also scarce when it came to trucks and tanks, most were parked in some field and left with no real attempt to keep them serviceable.
@@minhduong1484 No argument from me about anything you wrote here except the terminology you used. To warship sailors a Fire Control System is the system that provides range and bearing to a target and guidance to the gun or missile weapons system for which it is designed. When you talk about damage to the ship resulting in fire, you utilize Fire Fighting or Fire Suppression Systems. These can be everything from fire extinguishers and the ship's firemain piping and firehoses to more sophisticated fire suppression systems like permanently installed CO2 compartment flooding systems for engineering spaces and piping to flood magazines with water.
Friends of mine (destroyer sailors) were able to visit the Marshal Ustinov (Slava class) when it visited Norfolk VA in the late 1980s, a couple of them were Damage Controlmen and Hull Technicians (Damage Control experts) and what they told me about what they saw and did NOT see aboard the Ustinov, the lack of basic firefighting and damage control gear shocked me.
This man dropped the big JoJo reference mid description and just moved on. 11/10
He doesn't know what it means. The writers add references knowing he'll just read them without getting them 😂
The out of nowhere jojo references in these videos are why I keep coming back
"Moskva" was the first stage for Snake Island liberation. It would be impossible undertaking if was not sinked.
Thanks to all people around the world supporting our fight! Thanks to all who harbours our refugees!
a big cheer for Poland!
Slava Ukraini..
Slava Russia for taking in the most refugees from Ukraine.
Keep up the good fight. Slava Ukraini!
At the end of every month I see what I have left and donate it directly to the various battalions putting out tenders fro drones, trucks, night vision equipment, etc. I will continue doing so until Russia is kicked out, and I will continue to politically pressure for Ukraine becoming EU and NATO members. Your country is vast, fertile and beautiful and your people are brave, inventive and intelligent. Putin has clearly forgotten how much of the USSRs might actually came from the Ukrainian input. Having you guys "in the club" is going to be mutually beneficial for everyone involved.
When this stupid war is over, and the rich oil and gas reserves in the Donbas and Azov sea begin extraction (and that's the real reason for this war, btw) Ukraine will get all the hydrocarbon money Russia used to pocket. The Ukrainian farmers will get new opportunities for making buck on meat production as the west, central and northern EU are used to a meat heavy diet. On the flip side many EU companies will want to set up fabrication in Ukraine as there is already a lot of suitable infrastructure and technical knowhow. I also expect the rebuilding of Ukraine to create a general economic boom, as unemployment will drop and hence wages will go up.
Making the excuse that a fire made the Moskva sink makes it sound even more embarrassing than getting sunk by 2 missiles.
Technically, there was a fire on the Moskva before it sank.
@@svr5423 Yes Russia would acknowledge a fire; they would never acknowledge the fire was caused by 2 Ukranian missiles. Also they would never explain why a fire could not be contained.
@@minhduong1484 Or how a metal ship can have a fire so out of control
We just ask them: "So, who started the fire?"
Their answer: "We didn't start the fire."
Question back: "Then what started the fire?"
Answer: "2 missiles started the fire."
Such a cringe and horrible joke, but I just had to as this is making it into "We Didn't Start the Fire" song
@@recoil53 There's plenty of material inside to feed fire: paper, furniture, equipment... check the USS Bonhomme Richard incident back in 2020, a single person was able to start a four day fire that led to scrapping of the ship. Which was almost four times the size of Moskva. Or Fremantle Highway off the Dutch coast a few days ago. Ships burning are not really something new in naval history.
Additionally aluminum. Sometimes used to save weight, it does have tendency to catch fire and melt way faster than other metals. Not everything is steel. Not sure about Slavas though.
The Moskva had a truly Soviet feat of engineering that ensured that they turned off the radar to be able to use satellite communications. The simple solution would have been replacing not only the communication system but also the radar. But they didn't and that meant that the radar system was turned off to communicate with the Russian high command. The ideal moment to hit that is why Russia keeps saying we provided the coordinates and timing.
It's reminiscent of dial up modems lines that couldn't support telephone calls and internet usage at the same time.
Good job. Haven't checked in for a while but I see how much you continue to improve and grow your channels. This was well thought out and put together.
Moskva did not sink! It is conducting Special Underwater Operations!🐟 Glory to all Heroes and Heroines of Ukraine!!! 🔱💙💛
With no end date to resurface… UNLESS THE MOSKVA IS SECRETLY A CRUISER/SUBMARINE HYBRID!
Don't forget the quarter million dead ones
Ok, if you believe in Zelenskyys crazy idea idea of sending men to die, go join the war
Now a Divers Reef....
@SubvertTheState Most of them civilians. Russia is such a dirty country.
This reminds me of a line by a Russian officer in the old show, JAG:" the blade might be rusty but the edge is still sharp". In this case, it was so rusty it broke with a few blows.
Get some scrapers and get that damn rust off and a fresh coat off paint before you leave here. Every chief petty officer in the navy
on 14 April that a distress signal had been sent from Moskva that day, and a Turkish ship responded, evacuating 54 personnel from the cruiser at 2 am, before she sank at 3 am. According to him, there were 485 crew on board, of whom 66 were officers.
Glory and long life to the brave defenders of Ukraine! ❤🇺🇸
Bye-bye ukraine: Some to poland, some to romania, some to hungary, and the rest goes to the russian federation. So put that in your pipe and smoke it.
The corrupt dictatorship regime of the Ukraine forcing 16 and 55 years olds with only minimum training die like martyrs for territory being Russiand howver transferred to the Ukraine by the Soviets. To hell with the west!!! I am by the way Swedish myself.
Slava Ukraini!
The Moskva lost nearly its entire crew judging by the memorials of the families.
You don't lose that many men to a slow sinking. That ship went down before the men had enough time to abandon ship.
Either it was a catastrophic loss. Or the damage was worse than expected and in the process of trying to save the ship something went wrong, and fast.
The second one could happen if fires were raging and ignited the munitions on board. And I honestly think this is the most likely option.
True.
There's a reason we all have to learn fire fighting when we get sea duty in the Navy...
What I was thinking. Esp about the magazine/fuel bunkers detonating.
if the munitions did explode at least the crews death would've been quick
@@DarkKnight52365 well, at least some. unless some still got caught and drowned
UKRANIANS JUST SMASHED 2 MORE RUSKIE SHIPS YESTERDAY WITH 1 TON TNT BOATS, DAS WUSSUP!, 2ND AMENDMENT ALL DAY!! BLEP BLEP BLEP!! 👉👆💥💥💥 TAKE THAT EARL GRAY!! 🤠🤜💣💥🤯 THATS WHAT THE BRITS DRINK ALL DAY, INCLUDING HATRED FOR GUNS... PSSHHHH 😏
1:25 - Chapter 1 - Machine of the future
5:20 - Chapter 2 - Relic of the cold war
9:05 - Chapter 3 - Holy diver
12:40 - Chapter 4 - Promoted to submarine
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Вы пробовалии свинину запечённую в леопарде?..
Знаешь как в россии шутят про украинца в танке леопард?..
Теперь ты знаешь...
Chapter 4,5 - Promoted to submarine with doors OPEN
@@bunzeebear2973 Вы пробовалии свинину запечённую в леопарде?..
Знаешь как в россии шутят про украинца в танке леопард?..
Теперь ты знаешь...
@@user-ns1ls7zb6g Вы слышали, как Путин обосрался, когда понял, что единственным танком на Параде Победы был всего один Т-34?
Was just thinking about this incident a few days ago.
Great timing for the video.
Thanks 👍🏾
Fun fact, there are two russian wrecks named Moskva at the bottom of the Black Sea. The first being sunk by Romania in 1941
That's interesting. It seems to be a habit for ships with that name. Thanks for the info. I'll check up on that ship.
Well I guess this is what we call foreshadowing. They should have remembered that. But at least this time a remake wasn't shit😂
@@tobiaswehner6836 Now all that's missing for a perfect parody is the russian Black Sea fleet getting a ship named _"Kamchatka"_
@@larsrons7937 oh yeah the kamchatka, yeah that would be ironic aswell😂😂
@@tobiaswehner6836 _"Do you see __-torpedo-__ _*_drone_*_ boats? I see __-torpedo-__ drone boats everywhere"_ 🤣
It was one of the happiest days of my last year and I enjoy remembering how I felt every time this is being surfaced for discussion. Slava Ukraini
@ManuelBasiri the usual cringe as hundreds of thousands lie in ukranian graves.
@@churblefurbles Even more if you include Holodomor.
That's why we need to teach Russia a lesson and demilitarise them.
Mine was seeing all the Nato super weapons getting it hard and tight
On the one hand I agree with you, but on the other hand I abhor all loss of life, even Russians.
@@churblefurblesQuarter million dead orcs and counting, cope and seethe
I honestly wasn't expecting a Jojo reference
As a retired US military veteran, I'll never get sick of watching videos about Russian equipment falling out of the sky, sinking, or otherwise catastrophically disassembling in rapid fashion.
That was full of details I already knew, and a few I didn't know. But I thoroughly enjoyed your retelling this story. I like the dry humor. Keep up the great work!
"WET" humor in this case.
I just love that stamp with the Ukrainian Soldier giving the finger to Moskva.
Funny thing is that this first version of the stamp was released ONE DAY BEFORE the attack on Moskva, making it absolutely prophetic. No wonder stamps from that series are now sold for hundreds of dollars per piece.
Modern ships are compartmentalised, so a breach floods a compartment, rather than the entire ship. A ship not sunk immediately would survive as a floating cripple. Unless it’s in such a poor state of disrepair, bulk head doors won’t close properly. This explains why it took hours to sink.
Also its full of different ammunition this why its a bad idea to put many different weapons on one ship
Keep in mind fires can warp and sometimes melt bulkheads. That can compromise watertight integrity. Fire is enemy number one on all types of vehicles.
Like Titanic.
Firefighting water can be more deadly than a hole under the water line.
@@JoshuaTootell I think the builders/owners of the SS Normandie would agree.
Very very well made and said!!! This is one of your very best,. Thank you
interesting, compelling, well written and presented... a great sunday watch... thank you
Ukraine: We brought you into this world, we can take you out.
Nope. You don’t know anything about history of Kievan Rus and other Russian princedoms.
Все эти богатства земли украины, это подарки от россии...
Украина вступила в россию 1654 год - это клочок земли...
И россия просто вернула подарки обратно...
Украинская элита слишком коррумпированна и развращена западом и востоком - и русская элита тоже...
Никто не хочет видеть причины конфликта на западе...
Что-то пошло не так, и вассал америки - у которого деньги дела и дети на западе, и вдруг взбунтовался!..
Плохо значит господин поступает со своими вассалами!..
Ukraine was a country when Moscow was just a village.
@@isisnmagic1812 На украине есть огромные древние сооружения...
Они называются - змиевы валы...
Когда спрашиваешь украинских учёных - чьё это, кто их построил, они смущённо и стыдливо отводят глаза и придумывают сказки...
Спрашиваешь независимых учёных - и всё становится очень сложно и понятно...
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Какие города на Украине есть "украинские"?
ХАРЬКОВ - русский город. Был основан в 1630-е гг. Там селились бежавшие от поляков с правобережья Днепра малороссы. Царь Алексей Михайлович построил там крепость и основал в 1656 году Харьковское воеводство
СУМЫ - основан царём Алексеем Михайловичем не позднее 1655 года. Царь разрешил поселиться там беженцам-малороссам, которых убивали поляки
ПОЛТАВА - была в XVII веке центром прорусски настроенной Малороссии. За это предатель гетман Выговский (что-то вроде нынешних Кличков и Яценюков) напал на город и продал его жителей в рабство крымским татарам.
ДНЕПРОПЕТРОВСК - был основан Екатериной II в 1776 году и назывался Екатеринославом
ЛУГАНСК - основан в 1795 году, когда Екатерина II основала на реке Лугань чугунолитейный завод. Для работы на нём в Луганск приехали жить выходцы из центральных и северо-западных губерний России
ХЕРСОН - был основан Екатериной II в 1778 году для строительства русского флота. Строительство осуществил Потёмкин
ДОНЕЦК - основан Александром II в 1869 году при строительстве металлургического завода в Юзовке
НИКОЛАЕВ - основан Екатериной II в 1789 году. В это время Потёмкин строил там корабль "Святой Николай
ОДЕССА - была основана Екатериной II в 1794 году на месте крепости, построенной чуть раньше Суворовым
ЧЕРНИГОВ - один из древнейших русских городов, существовал ещё в начале 10 века. В 1503 году он вошёл в состав России. В 1611 году поляки его разрушили и отобрали эту территорию у русских. Но в 1654 году Чернигов вернулся к России и с тех пор всегда был её составной частью. Спрашивается
СИМФЕРОПОЛЬ - был основан Екатериной II в 1784 году. Его построил Потёмкин на месте военного лагеря Суворова и рядом с татарским поселением.
СЕВАСТОПОЛЬ - основан Екатериной II в 1783 году на месте крепости, построенной ранее Суворовым. Строил город Потёмкин.
МАРИУПОЛЬ - был основан в 1778 году Екатериной II. Она поселила там греков - переселенцев из Крыма
КРИВОЙ РОГ -был основан Екатериной II в 1775 году
ЗАПОРОЖЬЕ - был основан Екатериной II в 1770 году и назывался Александровском
КИРОВОГРАД - был основан в 1754 году русской императрицей Елизаветой Петровной. Назывался он Елисаветградом
@@isisnmagic1812 На территории современной украине есть древние защитные сооружения - протяжённостью больше тысячи километров - у этих сооружений название - змиевы валы...
Вопрос - кто их построил, вызывает смущение у украинца!..
Larry Bond's (the guy who designed the realistic table top game Harpoon, produced the research used by Tom Clancy for Hunt for Red October, and whose game was adopted by the US Navy for simulated exercises) view of the Slava class had it more vulnerable to attack than most contemporary ships, and especially vulnerable to sea skimming attacks.
@@BintloaftheMighty Based on the game Harpoon, it was outdated the day it was launched.
UKRANIANS JUST SMASHED 2 MORE RUSKIE SHIPS YESTERDAY WITH 1 TON TNT BOATS, DAS WUSSUP!, 2ND AMENDMENT ALL DAY!! BLEP BLEP BLEP!! 👉👆💥💥💥 TAKE THAT EARL GRAY!! 🤠🤜💣💥🤯 THATS WHAT THE BRITS DRINK ALL DAY, INCLUDING HATRED FOR GUNS... PSSHHHH 😏
he's ahead of his time.
A propperly kept and updated vessel form the 70’s can be a strong fighting ship.
Maintenance is the big thing.
And as Ive understood, the Moskva had engine troubles, internal communication lines out, radar troubles and more than half the weapons out of action due to hydraulic leaks or motor troubles etc.
In other words, the Moskva was not upgraded, it wasnt even maintained in its 70’s state, it was a paper tiger.
In the 70’s, when it was properly maintained, it could have been a terrifying warship, but in todays world, Ukraine, a nation without a proper navy managed to easily take it down.
NATO has many ships from the 70’s but unlike russia, all the weapons and sensors and Electronics on the NATO ships has been upgraded or replaced. And even the original steel bodies of the ships have been maintained to the biggest standard. While the russians have just been sitting silent and let their ships rust, letting the weapons rust stuck in place and the sensors corrode away.
lol heritage site
😂😂😂
Video, ending on a fully political note, but being so entirely right and correct. Kudos! Most of us can't put it better than you did, Simon.
Whoever wrote the narration copy deserves 5 stars.
The constant cartoon and comic references are kind of cringe
Nah fam, you've made it cringe for yourself. Writer gets 6/5 stars
I saw a RUclips video that purported to cover a scathing Russian readiness report on the Moskva some months before her loss. One of her engines was essentially condemned. About 1/2 her fire extinguishers were missing. Only 1 of its Gatling turrets was operational. And the air defense radar had to be kept off, as the intercom system wouldn't work if it was on.
This is hilarious to learn of 😅
@@dayforit1750 Even better, it apparently "Met or exceeded the minimum operational naval military requirements." Given what we know of the Admiral Kuznetsov, apparently floating and having working engines exceeds minimum standards.
@@littlekong7685To be fair, cruising under her own power is an excellent Russian navy performance
I was in the navy in the mid to late 80s and our ship had visited Karachi Pakistan. There was a Russian Slava class vessel in port and a number of Americans went to tour their ship and vis versa. We could not believe what a piece of total crap this ship was. The gun platforms were painted to the deck meaning they have not been operated or checked for operational ability in forever. USN ship's weapon systems are checked twice a day to ensure they are fire capable.
The level of dust and dirt built up was incredible. It looked as if they never cleaned their p-ways at all. Our ship had sweepers three times a day 365. Their ship had wood paneling in the p-ways, talk about fire hazards. We did not see any damage control stations or materials at all on board. When one of our group asked about it, the guide said they have a "Ships Closet" Where all the damage control equipment is kept. A ship that big with one "closet" of damage control equipment. Hmmm. It did not inspire a great deal of fear or even respect. The birthing compartments all smelled of diesel fumes and were not well air-conditioned. The food was however very good and made even better with a nice beer to go with. The tour ended at the bar, and this was the best part of the whole ship in my opinion.
The Russians had a different view of our vessel. The visitors from the USSR were all officers as they showed incredible incredible interest in damage control equipment, which on an American vessel is copious, obvious, spread out all over the vessel, and everybody on board from the Captin down to the lowliest Boot Camp, is well trained in its use. Our ship's cleanliness evidenced by these men running hands over surfaces and checking for dust and mostly not finding much. They also remarked on how few officers there were on board compared to the Slava. The Russin officers when away with a wholly different view of American Naval power than we did from them.
Needless to say, unless the Chinese have a better understanding of what it takes to maintain a Navy I don't see us being kicked out of the #1 spot any time soon.
the history of the US Navy attention to damage control is the stuff of legend.
EVERYONE has a damage control station even to the new guys that come aboard.
I think I am willing to bet the Chinese have better maintenance than the Russians. They have a pretty good record of stealing/borrowing good ideas from the West.
@@mr6johnclark They inherited a lot of those traits from the best. The Royal Navy! ... of the past, the current state of it is a bit shabby thanks to the current government not wanting to spend money on things that don't enrich themselves or their friends.
I mean damage control of the USA is legendary since WW2, I am sure it made a huge difference back then too, saving many many ships.Anyways outside of a few stealthy nuclear subs the rest of the Russian navy always sucked.
@@havocgr1976even those blow tbh. Kill their crews half the time it seems. I bet there's a history of Russian submariners having cancer too.
Great video. We want more, particularly related to Russia and its war in Ukraine!
This video provides a new definition to the word ‘gloating’. Masterfully done!
the reason I think Simon has so many channels is so he can afford to get the sign fixed in the other office. That's the *real* Megaproject.
That thing has been broke for two years at least, are there no neon sign repair services in all of Prague?
I, too, have been following Simon all over RUclips.
@@JaredlS10if the glass isn’t shattered all he would really need is an electrician
One of the most spectacular losses of the Ukraine war… so far.
Putin’s credibility as a “tough man” must be a close second.
@@backupplan6058 Putin was never seen as a tough man, he was mocked for trusting the west and going soft on Ukraine, why do you think Kiev still has lights.
@@churblefurbles that’s some fine revisionist history you have there. Does it come with a side of bs.
@@churblefurbles If you would put down you bottle of vodka and sober up, then you may begin to think more clearly...commrade.
@@churblefurbles Most definitely, Spreading the memes of Putin riding bear without a shirt were always a mockery of an old impotent man leading an old impotent country and pretending to be big and scary.
4:40 4:46 - whoever wrote this in scenario, clearly was a fan of part 5.
"a mere flea bitten koala"?!!!? Outrageous slight on our beloved wildlife!
that's not Moskva in the thumbnail. it isn't even a Slava class cruiser. That's an Udaloy II class destroyer.
Oops!
The disrespect is real 😭
These videos have had tons of factual errors lately. I think they’re pushing out so much that QC has gone down the tube. I don’t bother watching most of his videos now
At least he's not as bad as Blinkov's Battlegrounds or Millenium 7
@@bob38028yeah. Simon is not doing great, but Blinkov just bugs TF outta me.
A JoJo reference ? Mad respect the way you slipped that in Simon.
I had to scroll down a disturbingly long way in search of this comment...
Love this stuff!!! keep it going, old man
This is a wonderfully produced short documentary of the sinking of the flagship of Russia's Black Sea fleet, which is now one of several Naval vessels Ukraine has sunk or damaged, even though they don't have a navy. But Ukraine's resilience and ingenuity in defend their home and lives seems to know no end, as they have inspired many other countries to also fight for their freedoms.
Two suggestion that are best done as cold reads.
1. The Kamchatka
2. A video on the many misadventures in the brief but eventful existence of the Russian Second Pacific Squadron before its demise at the Battle of the Tsushima.
How many torpedo boats were spotted?
The Battle of Tsushima Strait was the most legendary of russian special naval operations.
😂 yes 2 please
Quick, get us another crate of binoculars! The admiral requires ammunition
I see you are a man of culture.
The best line in the video was "Promoted to Submarine" I laughed my ass off when that appeared on the screen.
The way you speak is exceptional. You are definitely in the groove.
Just when I think I've found all of your channels this shows up!
Legends never die, they just get sent on a special submarine operation
Uh, Reef....
@@gutewasser5900 yes, Neptune is a funny guy! :)
Россия долго надеялась на разумность украины, что она пойдёт на переговоры и уступки...
Настоящая демонстрация силы образумит её...
Они ведь не станут умирать под бомбами и ракетами ради западных интересов и ради коррумпированной власти и элиты украины...
Украина надеялась - что россия отступит если дать ей пару раз по зубам... Они ведь не станут умирать под бомбами и ракетами ради путинских интересов и ради коррумпированной власти и элиты...
Горящие русские колонны машин обнадёживают и вселяют уверенность...
Россия долго открыто демонстрировала силу, и запад с украиной со смехом воспользовались этим...
Россия об этом сильно пожалела...
Теперь, украина жалеет что русские киев не взяли за три дня...
Не пришлось бы умирать и запекаться в леопардах, и украина осталась в границах 14 года, и пол миллион мужчин украины живые, и миллион раненых и инвалиды...
Разум отказывается и не верит - что эта цифра есть, и что цифра эта вскоре удвоится и утроится - если продолжать и надеяться что россия уже не может, россия ослабела и не хочет, и нет у россии мотивации, и что все отвернулись от россии, гражданская война в россии, репарации и т.д...
@@user-ns1ls7zb6g wow. what in the hell?
@@kewakl8891 Теперь, вы по правилам логики и интернета, должны ответить чем-то достойным по уровню, но у вас нет ответа, потому-что вы отвечаете одной лишь видимостью ответа - на ответ который тяготит этим всех знанием и вас самих, и то-что вы ответили: - то это ваше неловкое твоё - оно недостойно никакого ответа...
И этот разговор с вами бесполезен и беспредметен - как и всё на ютубе стало бесполезным и обесцененным фильтрами ютуба - скрывающий твои и мои - и наши у нас всех комментарии...
Беспричинно ютуб по прихоти заблокировал многих русских блогеров и русские каналы на ютубе...
В эту игру - можно играть и мне также, прямо здесь - с тобой играть...
Я отвечу тебе вот этим блокирующим, я написал это недавно, там обсуждали арнольда шварцнеггера и его видео послание русским, и вот что я там в ветке написал:
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Я тоже сейчас всплакнул - читая ваши эти плаки, вспоминая сколько было видео ответов шварцнеггеру, особенно ответ марьяны наумовой, после которого вы будете плакать окончательно и бесповоротно - о том открывшемся двуличии запада и той двойной морали - даже лично тут шварцнеггера затронувшее и засветившее его - проигнорировавшего всё-то сказанное марьяной шварцнеггеру - ещё до всего случившегося вторжения, и то как остался безответным её посыл и просьба к шварцнеггеру...
И когда надо, вдруг все эти голливудские "звёзды" - вдруг вылезают и что-то там заявляют - и театрально бегут по улице города одесса - под включенную сирену воздушной тревоги, хоть никто и не бомбил, зато картинка получилась красивая и впечатляющая...
Вот если бы анджелина джоли, вот так-же когда-то - до всего этого бежала вот так-же красиво в багдаде, бежала в ливии, в сирии в сербии, на донбассе - при воздушной тревоге и обстреле и т.д. То это было-бы действительно с её стороны что-то и с чем-то... Я бы поверил этой красивой женщине и этой красивой лживой картинке - этого красивого постановочного проекта...
Но, после этого "красивого" постановочного её нарочитого театрального пробега на камеры под вой сирены, все они на западе в голливуде теперь для меня сплошной голливуд - эти сгенерированные резиновые куклы на ниточках - рисуемые искусственным интеллектом, - нечто дорисованное себе одушевление несовершенного человека!..
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Ты представляешь уровень цинизма запада - вручить в голливуде оскар за фильм про коррупцию в россии, и укрывать и легализовать у себя десятки лет на западе десятилетиями эти самые русские украинские и т. д. коррупционные деньги!.
letting your warship sunk by fire is much worse than getting hit by the enemy
See the USS Bonhomme Richard.
@@mitchyoung93 Wel it didn't sink and it stayed afloat, while almost all systems were offline as compared to the Active Moskva. Only decomissioned due to the cost, which is more worth it with the new America class and the ship was 21 years old so.
Still an absolute embarrassment @@Boomkokogamez
Bonhhomme Richard was the lead ship in the strike group when I went to the middle east
@@JoshuaTootell Well, at least it not a coral reef lol
Either way, it STILL shows Russia's Hubris and GROSS incompetence.😂
Damn Simon Whisler,how many youtube channels do you have now?
Dunno how many I've enjoyed,but most content on the channels I find ur stuff!!😁😁😁
Excellent piece, well done.
4:40 Ok now I need to know if Simon watches JoJo or If it was his Writer Morris. Cuz That sir was a JoJo reference.
There's no way he even remotely realized what that was.
There CIWS system didn't have a 24 km range more like 2 or 3 km. Wiki says 4 km, maybe the 24km was the main gun?
"Promoted to submarine" is a savage statement. :-D
The ship on the thumbnail is NOT the Moskva. It is DD 650 Admiral Chabanenko (Udaloy II class destroyer) of the Russian Navy.
Guided Missile Destroyer Warship [ 1999 ]
I love how simon is basically Ron Burgundy on the serious channels, just reading the prompts and asking no questions.
Id like to see the outtakes of some of these as a supercut on Brain Blaze.
From Cruiser to Submarine just in 6minutes.
"Promoted To Submarine" lmao love it
Brilliant! Really enjoyed this :)
1:22 machine of the future
5:15 relic of the cold war
9:01 holy diver
12:34 promoted to submarine
Hey, Australian here. Ill have you know a Koala can be quite devastating to its enemies. Unfair comparison, 😀
That leaf was asking for it.
Good video, Simon and team.
I was in Malta during the Bush/Gorbachev summit in December 1989 and saw the ships involved - the warship escorting Gorbachev's state cruiser Maksim Gor'kij was the Slava!
Poor Russians. You know, I do have empathy for those souls used as cannon fodder. Probably told the crew, save the ship or go down trying.
Ukraine has hit 2 more Russian ships in the last 24 hours. There naval drones are really effective now against Russian ships and bridges.
They were smart to look to the Iranians, they are pretty close copies of what they supplied the Houthis. These things took out UAE and Saudi ships from France a while. I'd almost swear Iran is building these, they look so similar.
Heh reminds me my people that were sending small boats to blow up Ottoman ships centuries ago in our war of independence.
@@havocgr1976 You forgot to mention that you are Greek. Without that not many people are going to get the reference.
@@dinsdalemontypiranha4349funnily enough, America had ITS first formative war (post revolution) at sea, and against the ottomans and their pirate freebooters/privateers. So it actually kind of fits for Americans too.
That's not the Moskva on the thumbnail, that's a destroyer
Great Video, Thank you ❤❤
only in Russia can a warship be sunk by a cigarette and a person commit suicide by leaping off a balcony onto two bullets in the back of the head..
On the ground floor!
In Russia you can fall 10 stories from the buildings basement. 🤣
А вот вам ещё исчезнувший мой такой комментари..
Там даже не про украину...
Там речь в коменте о странных самоубийствах олигархов в россии...
Удалили мне этот комментарий - под видео на канале SNN...
Там - под видео, там так радостно и злорадно об этом шутили и обсуждали жители стран запада...
И вот я, решил разбавить их обсуждения и общее веселие своим видением ситуации со стороны...
Стиль написания комента специально предельно упрощён для корректного перевода гугл...
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В любой стране и обществе происходит так-же!..
Ничего нового!..
Видимо, эти люди предпочли свой такой конец!..
Видимо: - знания и секреты настолько ужасные, что это нигде и никто не решится говорить...
Даже на западе ничего не скажут - потому что запад через этих людей влиял на россию и финансы...
Коррупция огромная!..
Возможно, правда настолько ужасна и неприглядна всем, что все предпочтут об этом забыть - чтоб мир не рухнул в россии и на западе!..
Никто не вспоминает тех убитых в 14 году - которые тоже как в россии выпадали из окон - на украине тоже из окон выпадали...
Большие деньги любят тишину...
Политика - очень грязное дело - по всему миру...
Кеннеди: - кто и зачем убил кеннеди!?..
Кто взорвал башни близнецы?..
Почему здания так странно сложились?..
Где следы от крыльев самолёта врезавшийся в здание пентагона?..
Почему бил клинтон в женском платье?!..
И остров для педофилов, и про организатора этого всего - который повесился в американской тюрьме - и унёс тайну о педофилах в америке и западном мире!
И тд и т.п.
NANI?! 4:40 Thats a JOJO reference! Diavolo dying on Moskva sounds like a canon event, not even King Crimson could help him.
Interesting note that I feel needs to be shared... Shortly after the sinking, there surfaced a maintenance report of the Moskva from the Russian authorities that some the Reddit r/navy managed to get. A whole lot of problems were plaguing the Moskva leading up to her loss:
None of the three-tier missile defense systems onboard Moskva were working properly - none of the short-range sea-to-air launchers; only one of the six anti-missile CIWS guns worked; and while its S-300 SAM batteries had all tubes functional, the radar they used for targeting interfered with the intercom, so most of the time it was left off - not that it was reliable when on anyway. The twin-linked 130mm cannons also didn't work. Most of the watertight doors leaked, only 50 fire extinguishers (out of the legally mandated 500) were onboard, and the safety equipment was all locked up with a key only the admiral had due to constant theft. Several of the engines were over 10,000 hours past replacement wear, and without express permission from the admiral it could only go half speed in emergencies. Many of the controls were nonfunctional, including the indicator lights for failures. The generators were old and worked at random, and the steering gear only allowed for very shallow turns for a vessel of its size... Oh, and the heat and aircon didn't work right! With all this in mind, it somewhat becomes more understandable why she wasn't seen outside the Black Sea since 2016, especially since her refit in that same year had to be cancelled due to lack of funding...
And even with all of this, the rating was STILL "Satisfactory!"
And there you have it - With the Moskva barely a tired shadow of her once-proud self, her aging and malfunctioning anti-air defenses were easily duped by a drone, and the two anti-ship missiles that followed triggered both a blaze it couldn't put out and leaks that were impossible to stop, all problems the vessel was supposed to be equipped to handle.
Unfortunately not all of russias forces were in such bad shape as Moscow, or the war _would_ have been over in three days, with russian running across the still standing Kirch bridge before the Ukranians closed it for good.
They really are in this bad of a shape
Let me remind you that Ukraine is considered the poorest nation in Europe.@@57thorns
The quality and detail of your videos are second to none…
THANK YOU for doing this one. And SLAVA UKRAINI!
Героям Слава! 🔥💪🇺🇦🇺🇦🇺🇦
@@Peter_S_glory to Ukraine!!! 🇲🇾🇭🇰❤️🇺🇦
🇺🇦 Heroyam Slava! 🇺🇦
Pro Russian d-bags would graffiti the letter z all over my city when the war started. After the Moskva turned into a tropical reef they all stopped and I haven't seen a new one.
Video shows the mighty cruiser-sub Moskva putting up a smoke screen to conceal her conversion to submarine mode to carry out special military operation below the surface of the Black Sea, silent and unseen.
The Moskva leads a wolfpack of ship-subs including the Vasiliy Bekh and the Saratov.
Being underwater is a very effective fire suppression system. Melding ingenuity and simplicity.
Well done, Simon!
Slava Ukranie.
Go Russia! There is no such a thing that ukrain anymore and it's well deserved. Cheers from Hungary.
@@koczekaUkraine is still alive and kicking (the Russian Army's ass). That's the role model of a special military operation gone wrong.😂
Glory to the heros!
@@donkiel9988 yeah, lol.
Ukr going forward even when retreats.
You will get what is deserved, the more you push the more you loose.
@@donkiel9988 The only thing Ukraine are kicking, is daisies from 6 ft under
Can I recommend Lazer Pig's video on this ship.
😊😊
A ship can have very exceptional defenses but if the crew is drunk off that wodka it may prove challenging 😅
Appreciate the straight shooting reporting.
30mm Gatling with 24Km Range?!? Maybe 2,4Km...
If you aim them up at 45 degrees 24km doesn't sound wrong. But the accuracy at that range is going to be Russian at best.
2.4km seems long, especially given Soviet fire control.
The shells detonate after travelling 5km so... no.
Russian weapons are just that much more better than anything in the West!
I'll be "that guy" to point out that your thumbnail is a Kara-class cruiser, not a Slava-class vessel like the Moskva. Slava class was the follow-on to the Kara class junk. When western veterans were invited to tour ships like the Moskva circa 2000, they were indeed struck by the lack of fire suppression gear on the vessels. The assessment was "Looks mean, can't take a punch."
It was the same back in the '80s. They had on closet with some shitty DC stuff that looked like it had not been touched in years. When I was a blue water man we did DC drills every single day.
I think it might be an Udaloy II. Single twin gun turret and forward VLS.
@@Reactordrone You are likely right. It was over 30 years ago.
Great video, thank you !!!!
You should do one about the HMS Prince of Wales...broke down on its maiden voyage, in peacetime. Had to be towed back to port.
And?
Pretty self explanatory, but I do find it hilarious that the power that one 'ruled the waves' can't even launch an aircraft carrier without it failing, in peacetime. Then again, my own country lost a 3.3 billion dollar (replacement cost) amphibious ship in port, during peacetime. @@rogerwilco5918
And also her namesake was sunk by the Japanese in 1941 due to poor planing so it is cursed name
@sarpyasar5893 wasn't every Japanese boat sunk? How does that make anything even?
@@rogerwilco5918 no I just wanted to say prince of wales is not a lucky name anymore
4:40 Holy smokes, I never expected Jojokes on this channel 🤣
Moskva, Kunetzov, one might start to think the Russians aren't quite the naval superpower they claim to be. For their sake, one would hope the smaller ships are more worthy...
Their Submarines are pretty good. Just look at the Kursk! LOL
They were never a naval power.All they got is some good subs and thats it.And they are getting rusty and outdated too.
It's a pleasure to see someone who can see both sides of the current situation.
I don't think the Russians themselves have claimed to be a naval superpower. Certainly not in regards to their surface fleet.
@@havocgr1976good subs eh? Like Kursk and k-19? Lol😅
Loved this story.
Not to nitpick but it was the T-1000 that was the assassin liquid metal robot in Terminator 2.....just saying, lol. Fantastic videos. I'm a huge fan
The thumbnail is the wrong ship!! That is a Udaloy-class destroyer not a Slava-class
Nice, I love your submarine Videos! Keep them coming.
RUclipsr LazerPig did a fantastic video focusing on the sinking itself. Definitely more liberal with colorful language, but spectacular info and surprising gravitas. Definitely worth your time.
Great piece Simon.
Supposedly Bayraktar drones *were* in the area, just at the edge of SAM range from the Moskva. These drones distracted the ship and allowed the missiles to slip in closer before detection. The large radar on the ship could be used for detection OR guidance. The nearby drones had the ships radar in guidance mode hoping for a shot. Thus the missiles appearing in a different direction were able to get in close. At least this was the theory a year ago. Since Simon didn't mention it, has new evidence emerged that it is incorrect?
The maintance report indicates most of the air defence radars were malfunctioning or non-functional. Critical was one which interfered with the coms, so was regularly disabled. It's believed that either the radar operators disregarded the signal or more likely never saw the missiles. In this case, the Russian response claiming an ammunition fire also makes sense, given to the command it would have appeared as if there was simply a sudden explosion.
Location of the top dome radar indicates that it was not targeting drones.
@@macattackmicmac And when they did work, they had a limited scope of tracking, so 2 missiles at once could have potentially overwhelmed it regardless. Rumour had it Ukraine launched 4 missiles, and 2 were lost due to ground detection and 2 were never seen by the ship at all and never communicated they were incoming.