As retired builder and designer of submarines and looking at the 841 in the videos I would be concerned that the extended sail looks to be out of ratio in height to the main hull height. this extended sail length and height looks to give a rotational moment about the boat which on a high speed turn (for a diesel sub) would possibly when loaded with the top weight of missiles may rotate the vessel into an upside/down attitude which no submariner wants to experience as it is very difficult to correct and would make the blowing of ballast a very difficult operation. Driving and crewing a submarine is difficult and hazardous, I do not think I would like to experience a sea trip in this boat particularly when doing active battle manoeuvres. Kind regards JohnH
Oh wow, I'd never thought about that before...are subs generally a "This Side Up" device that mostly can't operate upside-down? I know it may not be preferred and may disable some specific systems (like just cooking...can't do that easily upside-down), but is this more of an 'emergency situation' than 'an annoying but momentary inconvenience'?
It is almost impossible to control a sub upside down and they will go deeper and crush due to the control surface problems and the problems of the inability to blow ballast tanks. Should the ship yard get the metacentric point of balance wrong it will rotate and be very difficult to right you have to in effect be self righting like a lifeboat. If the boat rolls over it is lost.@@EShirako
@@johnhargreaves3620 Wow...yeah, I'd never considered that. Especially if the center of gravity is made to be wrong, like if they, say, fired a few torpedos and the lack of that weight finally made "She's riding a bit funny, Cap'n..!" into "Augh, why are we upside-down?!" then about all they could do was try to shift mass around to literally fix it from the inside by like unmounting heavy stuff inside and 'sticking it to the roof/the usually-the-floor' and trying to roll it back. A bit of fluid in the wrong place goes from being an air-trap to a hard-hydraulic-system or a fluid-broken compressor and things like that. It would be hard to do a lot of things...and even just start all the problems off with 'the roof is the floor now'! The batteries would NOT be happy to go 180, though I think we're not using the open-wet-cell stuff still nowadays? So maybe it wouldn't flat-ruin them, but it might cause hell even if they still might work if brought back upright. I doubt we're using AGM batteries that don't mind their orientation. The reactor would be PISSED, though, and the turbines might have their cooling water dumped back up into their outflow, or just water that hasn't boiled might come burbling in from the reactor side...though I suppose they maybe have steam-gates to not let water get around the system all willy-nilly? The reactor would be useless, though, unless they can superheat the steam and use it anyway, but then they'd have to push the reactor to stupid temperatures to make that possible in the first place. Not a good situation, yeah. I'd never really thought it over before, but there's a lot of stuff that has just ONE thing that doesn't function any more if the device goes 180 degrees around! Or maybe even just 90. It seems that "sub design and engineering is just as hard as it looked like it should be, and harder still than that, too!"
'The "native design" of this sub MEANS NATIVE TO 60'S USSR!!! It is pretty much identical to a WAY outdated soviet design for a surface launching model- not underwater launch capable - that was never fabricated in big numbers, mostly because the following designs were all capable of underwater launching misiles.
H.I. Sutton has commented on this sub on his website, likely a youtube video soon. TLDR it appears to be a heavily modified domestically produced Romeo-class design, so you're about spot on. Visually it appears that SOSUS can pinpoint it from Kansas.
You mean 60s. Not the case. They probably designed it themselves. North Korea is not the USSR and had more access to Chinese submarines than Soviet submarines. Get over it. These guys can design stuff. You will end up under the Chinese boot like this.
@@zaco-km3su um...no. the Chinese subs you reference were soviet designed Romeos. this sub is a modified chinese romeo. they started working on it in 2019. north korea can't feed its people let alone design anything. everything they have is 1950s and 60s era soviet crap. they still fly mig 15s.
Comrades, in honor of the 75th anniversary of the DPRK we have a special gift for all the people. No, not the food you crave; it’s a brand new shiny nuclear submarine. 🎉 👏👏👏👏🎉 All praise to Chairman Kim.
It's interesting in part because a single ballistic missile submarine is worse than useless; all the enemy needs to do is wait for you to put it in drydock for maintenance before launching an attack. That's why everyone builds at least three.
Thank you for approaching this with the levelheadedness that it deserves. It’s hard to get an assessment of any North Korean related news without it being soaked in ideology.
The Ukraine war is teaching the world how limited one floating vessel can be. Now matter how dangerous it might be, there’s a drone out there to send it to the bottom.
You speak as though the entire Russian navy has sunk. While there were successes, the damage were not significant enough to put it out of commission for good. Drones are easily manipulated by electronic warfare countermeasures, just simply block the signal and the drones are flying blind
Just think about the Russian Navy today, and specifically the fact that Moskva was essentially a decrepit floating wreck... and she was a flagship. And just imagining what the rest of her fleet is like. And how if they can't keep the flagship of their second most important fleet from becoming a decrepit floating embarrassment... Just imagine what their nuclear arsenal is like, with their liquid-fueled Icbm's that are three times more expensive to maintain than solid-fuel. And if you miss a single l fuel cycle... the highly corrosive fuel will start to eat the fuel lines and tank.
@@Lord_Foxy13I would hate to be the guys to have to fill the hypergolic propellant tanks. Hydrazine is scary stuff and those tanks have probably not been pressure tested in a while.
With this sub being used as a boomer. It would be far more anxiety causing if it was nuclear powered. But with it being diesel electric; it would have to surface and/or use it’s snorkel (if it had one) multiple times before getting in range of the US.
GDP is not a good measurement for nations with autarky. With a controlled market and salaries controlled by the state GDP is quite meaningless beyond calculating access to foreign goods.
77 miles long, 7 miles wide, 3.5 miles deep Able to descend into the upper mantle of the Earth's core Able to store a years worth of cheddar cheese for respected comrade Kim Jong Un. Armed with 3 R-7 Semyorka Thermonuclear missiles Found the info on a napkin at Mar-a-Lago
On a tiny bit of corner at the bottom of a toilet bowl? 😂 At first I thought you were going to finish with a 'Canyonero' joke. 🎵 _"What's 2 miles long and 3 lanes wide? Canyonero-o! Canyonero-oooo!"_ 🎶
1) It's a diesels/electric boat, that makes it very vulnerable, because it has to surface regularly to recharge its batteries. 2) it's using an acoustically inefficient hull form. The giant boxy bulge behind the sails where the missiles go. 3) You generally don't launch ballistic missiles and cruise missiles from the same tubes. They are different sizes and different weights, and requite different launch systems. This is why 4 Ohio class boats were retrofitted, as the US navy converted them from ballistic missile boats to cruise missile boats. What we don't know, is how good it's propeller is. it doesn't matter if it's nuclear powered, or a diesel electric, if it doesn't have a good (silent) propeller other navies will be able to pick it up and track it from a long way off.
@noraneko8926 The snorkel still sticks out like a sore thumb on radar. It's definitely not a type 94 copy. The shape is completely different, not to mention that type 94 is nuclear powered.
Calling this submarine "modern" is like calling a ZX Spectrum "cutting edge". The 033 class is basically a Chinese built Romeo class circa 1957, the design influences are there in the 841. Compare that to the genuinely modern subs with AIP for example, and you wonder what is "modern" about it
Building a submarine is very different than running and maintaining it. They can repaint an old Russian sub, but keeping it at sea for more than an hour? Just like building a nuclear warhead is not the same as aiming/firing one. Need to worry more if they don't work, e.g., aim at Japan, end up hitting S. Korea.
It is not so much about can it fly, steer, hit target and detonate. This is 80 years old tech. It is more to what scale. If North Korea would have couple of warheads ready to use this would be a threat. But this is to be proven. Guessing that the foreign military intelligents is making sure of that. Also 841 might be a missle launcher, probably only when surfaced. It will be easy to track and destroy. With the top stacked weight of the missles, it will be very clumsy and strong sea might be an issue anyways for it. If the submarine can reach a cost line undetected this will be a problem for countries like Japan and of course South Korea when being attacked other then from the North. Land based missles can be intercepted far easier or be destroyed before launch.
While I believe N. Korea has the ability to build it, I have serious questions about how safe it is and more important how quite it is. Also, since it is deiseal powered, it will have some serious operational limitations that nuclear submarines dot have.
I'd have serious questions about anyone in that neck of the woods being able to pilot it. Their armed forces are a collective joke when it comes to training and preparedness
@@Pwnopolis How did a collective joke military supply Russia with more shells than the entire EU combined? How did it detect spy American vessels and hunt them down? Keep spreading propaganda lol
I bet it's not very quiet, and will be quite easily smacked in to the middle of next month if it leaves harbour with any intent. There will be an LA class just hovering around, or a Seawolf, or a Trafalgar or an Astute... Or any decent sub from about another 6 nations...
Modern diesel-electric subs are very quiet, actually quieter than most nuclear ones. However, this isn't a modern sub, its a design from 60 years ago; so you are probably right. :)
more like 60 years ago😂 unless northe koreans haven't modified that old diesel sub to go with silent midget farts that pice of junk can be heard hundred of miles away 😂
Nork subs are all diesel/electric powered. Regardless of the weaponry they carry, they cannot stay submerged long enough to avoid being detected and tracked (and quickly dispatched) by several navies of the world before they can bring that weaponry to bear effectively.
NK: USA, we have nuclear warhead capable submarine launchable ICBM. USA: NO, you don't! NK: YES we do!! We will use it! USA: Hmmm, give us a call in 30 minutes, tell us if you still have it. Thank you for your interest in naval warfare
Hope they can squeeze Kim inside and dive him on a ride to Davey Jones's Locker; doubt he would allow it to submerge with him inside the dangerous pos.
Last time i saw an article about North Korea and it having Submarines i saw a blurry picture with what looked like a type 7. Like the ones used in wolfpack operations against allied trade conveys. By the german Wehrmacht in World War 2...
well, the Type XXI was quite successfully used up into the 90's, its a functional "Base" even for modern Submarines. but how the Internals look, i dont know. btw. not the Wehrmacht used them, the Kriegsmarine did
The difficulty in making a nuclear attack capable submarine isn't the submarine, it's the weapons you put on it, so the question on that front is really "have the North Koreans made a nuclear weapon small enough to fit on a submarine launched ballistic missile?" And honestly, there's no reason to doubt that. The major nuclear powers solved that problem in the sixties and knowledge tends to spread, even to the hermit kingdom. I assume the navies of the US and their allies are more concerned with determining how good the boat is at hiding, should the time come for them to kill it.
It's a total freakin' fantasy to imagine, just to imagine that N Korea has the capability to build much less arm, much less crew, much less maintain, much less launch anything from underwater other than a big overblown fart. We're talking about some of the most complex, highly sophisticated machines known to war and you think a 2 bit thug and his cronies have it dialed in? wow just wow.
its possible... now its a game of chess with the US Navy. It makes sense actually.. if North Korea lacks the tech to go direct to the USA or Europe A sub that may have the potential to launch a shorter range missile is a advantage. But all this may be a ploy. .. Time will tell.
@@linesided never underestimate North Korea my friend as that is 100% what they want you to do and then in the dead of night the strike comes............
As soon as it goes on sea trials, the US will have a lot of information on this sub. We every day people won't know anything, but the people that matter will know.
It's just a re-re-re-re-hash of a Soviet era diesel boat and not even a very good one. U.S. and U.N. intelligence probably already know most of the pertinent info and have since the 1990s 😂
*[Eating potato chips]* So, any bets on how long it takes before the North Korean government tries to cover up a horrible, tragic disaster with this sub? I'm thinkin' something like the Kursk, maybe a month from now.
I'm hoping the sub is spotted just outside of US waters off the coast of California. Maybe shoot some fireworks into the air. That would genuinely be hilarious.
@@triadwarfare Britain and Norway both offered to help, but the Soviet Union refused. You are aware that _that's_ why those sailors died, right? The international community was horrified about what was happening.
Why would a North Korean sub have 841 in English rather than a number in Korean? Also, do they Really expect us to believe they have that many ships? Unless they’re including row boats of course.
All nations use the 1-9 characters for numbers, they arent attached to any language. The number system came from India thousands of years ago and is so awesome everyone ditched their way of doing nunbers and adopted the indian system. Roman numerals are a cool example of a dead number system, but there are many others as well.
@@hpblack1953 Ukraine has outdated MiG-29s and Su-27s with outdated R-27s and Air to air missiles, they're capable of shooting down Su-35S's which is Russia most modern fighters. It's still surprising no one learned from Vietnam and Afghanistan.
It's an up armored refrigeration unit that is movable to protect "Walk Like A Duck's" very special cheesecake and cheeseburger spplies. Any resembalance to a submarine is probably unintentional.
I don't doubt the nuclear capabilities of this submarine one bit. That said, I still firmly believe this thing was only made for one goal, to continue the party narrative that they are fiercely independent and that Kim really is trying to move them away from the kids table. He's not, but it doesn't matter so long as that's what the people believe. I'm not going to be impressed by this thing until it pops up somewhere uncomfortable during the next ROK/US large scale naval exercise.
@@NeostormXLMAX you're a bad liar & an obvious one too. The Abrams have just gotten to Ukraine in the last few weeks & haven't even seen battle yet. There's been 5 documented Leopard's hit & 3 of those were probably repairable. If we believed Russian propaganda they've destroyed more Patriot Systems than have ever been built in the history of the system. The Russians can't even keep their navy at sea against a country without a navy... cope harder tankie
Having served in the US Navy, I can give you an educated guess. Its not a ballistic submarine. The simple fact is that it is too small. An ICBM is a large weapon system and requires a large platform to launch. And no, I don't mean minute man sized missiles, but in order to keep from killing everyone on board during launch, you need space. 841 is at best a copy of the Chinese design run most likely be diesel marine engines.
After reading some of these comments I would like to see a video discussing the reality of North Korea compared to how it’s often portrayed in the media.
I have no doubt that they can build a submarine that can launch nuclear missiles. I have SEVERE doubts they are able to build nuclear warheads small enough to fit those launch tubes.
Do you really belive that? Nations dont work if "people are starving" how many are you talkijg aboth? is your sorce Free Radio Asia? (Funded by Cia, not a joke look it up)
I wonder if the Soviets traded a couple of old conjurer submarines for a bunch of AK-47 ammo the fight with in the Ukraine. Maybe they threw in a couple of drones and some artillery shells. Let's hope it's one of the Russian classes that use liquid oxygen feed the diesel while underwater. I think they called those boats something like the heroshima class jokingly.
It's naval architecture: Take the length of the vessel (measurable via pictures) and the ratio of length-to-width to determine cruising speed. Take the height of the vessel to determine the max length of missiles it can carry, then analyze the propellant of known DPRK rockets to determine the energy density of the missiles per unit volume, and thus the max range of the missiles. Photography of US subs in drydock isn't allowed specifically because of this.
I have a flag with Kimmy giving a bright sunny smile. It says: Live Love Laugh. I peed when I first saw it and had to have it. The sub should be named: Oh Kum Off It. And: You can sail the 7 dash line, in the navyyyy... oh wait. You can't.
No details as to what is INSIDE as Kim couldn't fit thru the hatch! 😂 If it was a secret, special submarine, they should have covered the propeller. 😮 Now that the US has pictures of the propeller, they can adjust our sonar systems to detect the noise it will make and KABOOM! 😂
If N. Korea wants to mess around with nuclear power, they should try to give electric lighting to the people.At night, from space it looks like a black hole.
@13:00, you talk about the Yonos. It's worth noting that the DPRK sold four of them to Iran. That concerns me as an armchair analyst because that could mean Pyongyang might, if pressed hard enough, might consider selling nukes to Iran.
Iran: **sigh** _"More nukes? ...OK. put them in storage with the rest"_ [Door opens showing rusted, rotting missiles that are leaking mysterious liquids on the ground]
North Korea is still roughly 70 years behind even the most mundane of advanced economies Brazil Argentina most of south America etc. We were building balistic missile subs in the 50's.
they still have Mig 15's in active service and most of that parade junk is just dressed up 50's and 60's era armor retreads!! NATO intel says at most they have a 96 hour fuel supply and 11 days food ration supply at full combat consumption rates!!
I would like to confirm that this sub is indeed operational and will sink faster than any other sub when you put it in water.I would also that the crew can hold their breath for an extended period of time in case the sub is unable to surface.
This time it's controlled by TWO playstation controllers.
Or a PlayStation 2 controller...
😂
PS?? Oh no, it's a N64 controller!!!! They haven't developed the PS yet.
...printed on the new ACME 3D printer.
Nes controller and a leaky nuke reactor gifted by the Russians
As retired builder and designer of submarines and looking at the 841 in the videos I would be concerned that the extended sail looks to be out of ratio in height to the main hull height. this extended sail length and height looks to give a rotational moment about the boat which on a high speed turn (for a diesel sub) would possibly when loaded with the top weight of missiles may rotate the vessel into an upside/down attitude which no submariner wants to experience as it is very difficult to correct and would make the blowing of ballast a very difficult operation.
Driving and crewing a submarine is difficult and hazardous, I do not think I would like to experience a sea trip in this boat particularly when doing active battle manoeuvres. Kind regards JohnH
Oh wow, I'd never thought about that before...are subs generally a "This Side Up" device that mostly can't operate upside-down? I know it may not be preferred and may disable some specific systems (like just cooking...can't do that easily upside-down), but is this more of an 'emergency situation' than 'an annoying but momentary inconvenience'?
It is almost impossible to control a sub upside down and they will go deeper and crush due to the control surface problems and the problems of the inability to blow ballast tanks. Should the ship yard get the metacentric point of balance wrong it will rotate and be very difficult to right you have to in effect be self righting like a lifeboat.
If the boat rolls over it is lost.@@EShirako
Damn bro ,get em
@@johnhargreaves3620 Wow...yeah, I'd never considered that. Especially if the center of gravity is made to be wrong, like if they, say, fired a few torpedos and the lack of that weight finally made "She's riding a bit funny, Cap'n..!" into "Augh, why are we upside-down?!" then about all they could do was try to shift mass around to literally fix it from the inside by like unmounting heavy stuff inside and 'sticking it to the roof/the usually-the-floor' and trying to roll it back. A bit of fluid in the wrong place goes from being an air-trap to a hard-hydraulic-system or a fluid-broken compressor and things like that. It would be hard to do a lot of things...and even just start all the problems off with 'the roof is the floor now'! The batteries would NOT be happy to go 180, though I think we're not using the open-wet-cell stuff still nowadays? So maybe it wouldn't flat-ruin them, but it might cause hell even if they still might work if brought back upright. I doubt we're using AGM batteries that don't mind their orientation. The reactor would be PISSED, though, and the turbines might have their cooling water dumped back up into their outflow, or just water that hasn't boiled might come burbling in from the reactor side...though I suppose they maybe have steam-gates to not let water get around the system all willy-nilly? The reactor would be useless, though, unless they can superheat the steam and use it anyway, but then they'd have to push the reactor to stupid temperatures to make that possible in the first place. Not a good situation, yeah. I'd never really thought it over before, but there's a lot of stuff that has just ONE thing that doesn't function any more if the device goes 180 degrees around! Or maybe even just 90. It seems that "sub design and engineering is just as hard as it looked like it should be, and harder still than that, too!"
@@EShirako It is more the meta-centric point rather than the centre of gravity which causes rotation. Kind regards
'The "native design" of this sub MEANS NATIVE TO 60'S USSR!!!
It is pretty much identical to a WAY outdated soviet design for a surface launching model- not underwater launch capable - that was never fabricated in big numbers, mostly because the following designs were all capable of underwater launching misiles.
H.I. Sutton has commented on this sub on his website, likely a youtube video soon. TLDR it appears to be a heavily modified domestically produced Romeo-class design, so you're about spot on.
Visually it appears that SOSUS can pinpoint it from Kansas.
You mean 60s. Not the case. They probably designed it themselves. North Korea is not the USSR and had more access to Chinese submarines than Soviet submarines. Get over it. These guys can design stuff. You will end up under the Chinese boot like this.
@@zaco-km3su um...no. the Chinese subs you reference were soviet designed Romeos. this sub is a modified chinese romeo. they started working on it in 2019. north korea can't feed its people let alone design anything. everything they have is 1950s and 60s era soviet crap. they still fly mig 15s.
Maybe it is a paper tiger, but we don't know that yet. The U.S. needs to take this threat seriously until we find out more.
This type of submarine can only handle smaller cruise missles. Intercontental ballistic missles need larger exits and a taller submarine.
Can you imagine how terrifying it would be to be a submariner in the DPRK? 😂 Probably has the same crush depth as one of my kids submarine toys.
Suffering a horrifying early death as your crappy submarine falls below crush depth is one of the better ways your day can go in North Korea.
I would imagine just living in North korea is terrifying .On the upside obesity isn't a problem .
At one point the Brits had a steam powered submarine, that's crush depth was less than its length.
Just saying.
@@Tankeryanker339 Well it's a problem for at least 1 North Korean.
@@DairyCat That's because the chubby little nut job eats all the food
Comrades, in honor of the 75th anniversary of the DPRK we have a special gift for all the people. No, not the food you crave; it’s a brand new shiny nuclear submarine.
🎉 👏👏👏👏🎉 All praise to Chairman Kim.
And by "brand new" we mean 30 year old Soviet technology 😂
@@wesw9586 *60 year old
@@Blodhelm was trying to be generous lol. I literally typed 40 and deleted it.
And by "Nuclear" we dont mean with engines and everything we just strapped some ICBM's into it.@@wesw9586
****Not actually a nuclear submarine.****
Coo, I didn't realise they had such a powerful rubber band to turn the screw.
To quote from an interview with the crew of that sub's maiden voyage: "Glub glub gurgle gurgle"
It is state of the art. But no galley.......... it's north Korea after all.
@@oracleofdelphi4533 best comment of the day
There’s no rubber band, just a very tired soldier on a stationary bike hooked up to the propeller
It's interesting in part because a single ballistic missile submarine is worse than useless; all the enemy needs to do is wait for you to put it in drydock for maintenance before launching an attack. That's why everyone builds at least three.
Guaranteed they'll build a couple more of them though. I'm sure they know that the minimum requirement for an effective submarine fleet is 3 or 4.
No Military is allowed to Attack ships within 1mile of Coastline
Obvious solution is to not do maintenance. Crisis averted!
@@DuckOfRubberha ha!
But they had to wait this long for the cardboard Polaris Sub with rubber band powered missiles from the back of qn old DC comic book
Thank you for approaching this with the levelheadedness that it deserves. It’s hard to get an assessment of any North Korean related news without it being soaked in ideology.
Fascinating eggskull
Dude these guys didnt do any research on this sub.
Whistler, my boy - an erudite, yet eloquent and effervescent delivery.
Nice alliteration
Yes, a most expansive vocabulary.
@@frankgrabasse4642 😂👍
But can’t say the name Hamish
The Ukraine war is teaching the world how limited one floating vessel can be. Now matter how dangerous it might be, there’s a drone out there to send it to the bottom.
drone might not even get there on time it might sink just sitting at the dock.
You speak as though the entire Russian navy has sunk. While there were successes, the damage were not significant enough to put it out of commission for good. Drones are easily manipulated by electronic warfare countermeasures, just simply block the signal and the drones are flying blind
@@ViolentCabbage-ym7kothose drones are still gonna hit something 🤷♂️
Just think about the Russian Navy today, and specifically the fact that Moskva was essentially a decrepit floating wreck... and she was a flagship. And just imagining what the rest of her fleet is like.
And how if they can't keep the flagship of their second most important fleet from becoming a decrepit floating embarrassment...
Just imagine what their nuclear arsenal is like, with their liquid-fueled Icbm's that are three times more expensive to maintain than solid-fuel. And if you miss a single l fuel cycle... the highly corrosive fuel will start to eat the fuel lines and tank.
@@Lord_Foxy13I would hate to be the guys to have to fill the hypergolic propellant tanks. Hydrazine is scary stuff and those tanks have probably not been pressure tested in a while.
Hopefully the filters in our sonarmen’s headsets are working properly. That things gotta be loud as hell
"Korean Style" does that mean it can be thwarted with a fishing net?
With this sub being used as a boomer. It would be far more anxiety causing if it was nuclear powered. But with it being diesel electric; it would have to surface and/or use it’s snorkel (if it had one) multiple times before getting in range of the US.
It’s probably coal powered lol
Or just pedal powered
@@vehicles_n_stuffcoal... Firewood, old Sears catalogs, table legs... Whatever they can shovel into the boilers, really.
Serious question. How does a nation with a gdp of $18 billion afford to run dozens of submarines?
Not feed everyone
They have state level hacking organizations.
Free labor.
GDP is not a good measurement for nations with autarky. With a controlled market and salaries controlled by the state GDP is quite meaningless beyond calculating access to foreign goods.
A military is a despot nation’s artificial industry … steal what the people should have (food) and pay them with small wages to buy food.
Do the North Korean's know that having a microwave on a submarine does not make it a nuclear sub?
The first thought in my head after seeing the photos: "It looks like paper mache."
A submarine's advantage is secrecy. I heard this thing when it launched while I was snorkeling in Florida.
After it was launched, sadly, its path was lost over the sound of the entire US Navy snickering and laughing....
If you had a spear gun you probably could've sunk it with one shot
@ nolongerblocked6210
Probably??? No. Definitely. :)
Something tells me this sun is not particularly stealthy, and that it is going to suffer a sudden and mysterious accident in which all hands are lost.
Which they'll blame on Japan...
@jilbertb just blame china. That would be way more fun
And the press release will say it’s so secret the our enemies can’t find it”… as it sits on the bottom with all hands lost.
Interesting. No nuclear launch timings to be seen.
Its not very mysterious when accounting for the fact that starving children riveted the single 2cm thick hull together.
I feel bad for all the people who will eventually be crushed to death at the bottom of the ocean.
They have good company with the oceangate crew
They likely wont feel a thing.
They will probably drown before they reach crush depth.
I feel more sympathy for the generations of people in the area when its cobbled together nuclear housings crack.
The submarine would be just be a nuclear tomb.
77 miles long, 7 miles wide, 3.5 miles deep
Able to descend into the upper mantle of the Earth's core
Able to store a years worth of cheddar cheese for respected comrade Kim Jong Un.
Armed with 3 R-7 Semyorka Thermonuclear missiles
Found the info on a napkin at Mar-a-Lago
😅
On a tiny bit of corner at the bottom of a toilet bowl? 😂
At first I thought you were going to finish with a 'Canyonero' joke.
🎵 _"What's 2 miles long and 3 lanes wide? Canyonero-o! Canyonero-oooo!"_ 🎶
Not a nuclear submarine. It’s a “special military vessel.”
Kim, my grandmother called. She wants you to give her hat back to her! 😂
Aren't you 10 y/o? Why aren't you playing barbies bruce?
1) It's a diesels/electric boat, that makes it very vulnerable, because it has to surface regularly to recharge its batteries.
2) it's using an acoustically inefficient hull form. The giant boxy bulge behind the sails where the missiles go.
3) You generally don't launch ballistic missiles and cruise missiles from the same tubes. They are different sizes and different weights, and requite different launch systems. This is why 4 Ohio class boats were retrofitted, as the US navy converted them from ballistic missile boats to cruise missile boats.
What we don't know, is how good it's propeller is. it doesn't matter if it's nuclear powered, or a diesel electric, if it doesn't have a good (silent) propeller other navies will be able to pick it up and track it from a long way off.
I seriously doubt their sound-silencing tech is up to snuff.
1. Or at least in periscope depth, cuz snorkel exist
2. They probably copy Chinese design, they had similar hull (Type 94)
Yup, exactly. And since the US now has pictures of the prop, they can tune their sonar to find it. IF it can even dive and not leak or burst! 😂
@noraneko8926
The snorkel still sticks out like a sore thumb on radar.
It's definitely not a type 94 copy. The shape is completely different, not to mention that type 94 is nuclear powered.
Certainly it's inferior to cold war era subs
Exterior looks a lot like a Golf, Project 629, Soviet diesel electric boat.
Its based off a Romeo.
they took an Romeo and split it in half, and removed the torpedo rome and gave it an round bow.
Calling this submarine "modern" is like calling a ZX Spectrum "cutting edge".
The 033 class is basically a Chinese built Romeo class circa 1957, the design influences are there in the 841. Compare that to the genuinely modern subs with AIP for example, and you wonder what is "modern" about it
"Let's dive in, shall we?" - I sea what you did there...😆
Building a submarine is very different than running and maintaining it. They can repaint an old Russian sub, but keeping it at sea for more than an hour? Just like building a nuclear warhead is not the same as aiming/firing one. Need to worry more if they don't work, e.g., aim at Japan, end up hitting S. Korea.
You mean aiming and firing EMPTY rockets with NO nuclear warheads inside.
Even keeping a stock of parts and part upgrades/revisions are outside of their ability.
It is not so much about can it fly, steer, hit target and detonate. This is 80 years old tech. It is more to what scale. If North Korea would have couple of warheads ready to use this would be a threat. But this is to be proven. Guessing that the foreign military intelligents is making sure of that.
Also 841 might be a missle launcher, probably only when surfaced. It will be easy to track and destroy. With the top stacked weight of the missles, it will be very clumsy and strong sea might be an issue anyways for it.
If the submarine can reach a cost line undetected this will be a problem for countries like Japan and of course South Korea when being attacked other then from the North.
Land based missles can be intercepted far easier or be destroyed before launch.
While I believe N. Korea has the ability to build it, I have serious questions about how safe it is and more important how quite it is. Also, since it is deiseal powered, it will have some serious operational limitations that nuclear submarines dot have.
It isn't a NK built, it's a Russian sub fitted to launch nuks
@@curtisthomas2670 regardless if NK or Russia built it, it is still unsafe.
@@marktuttle3609 you take comfort in that 😂
I'd have serious questions about anyone in that neck of the woods being able to pilot it.
Their armed forces are a collective joke when it comes to training and preparedness
@@Pwnopolis How did a collective joke military supply Russia with more shells than the entire EU combined? How did it detect spy American vessels and hunt them down? Keep spreading propaganda lol
I bet it's not very quiet, and will be quite easily smacked in to the middle of next month if it leaves harbour with any intent. There will be an LA class just hovering around, or a Seawolf, or a Trafalgar or an Astute... Or any decent sub from about another 6 nations...
Modern diesel-electric subs are very quiet, actually quieter than most nuclear ones. However, this isn't a modern sub, its a design from 60 years ago; so you are probably right. :)
@@nitehawk86Diesel subs quieter than a nuclear sub? You're way wrong on that one.
I mean didn’t they scuttle one after it got caught in a fishing net?
$50 says its a retrofitted ex chinese or soviet vintage design that's 40 years out of date and was about to be scrapped.
more like 60 years ago😂
unless northe koreans haven't modified that old diesel sub to go with silent midget farts that pice of junk can be heard hundred of miles away 😂
I reckon your money is safe. I’ve never seen evidence of north korea having a mining industry to extract its own ore from the ground
Nork subs are all diesel/electric powered. Regardless of the weaponry they carry, they cannot stay submerged long enough to avoid being detected and tracked (and quickly dispatched) by several navies of the world before they can bring that weaponry to bear effectively.
Except they already have ballistic missiles that can reach the west coast of the US.
The missiles may be able to fly, but they have NO PAYLOAD for them...
0:13 before I even get to the ending, is that sub currently in a Sevastopol drydock? 😂
😂
NK: USA, we have nuclear warhead capable submarine launchable ICBM.
USA: NO, you don't!
NK: YES we do!! We will use it!
USA: Hmmm, give us a call in 30 minutes, tell us if you still have it. Thank you for your interest in naval warfare
lmao.Visiting the titanic?
North Carolina ?
( 'Korea' is spelled with a K 😄)
Yes, hehehe, thx@@HauntedXXXPancake
Thanks for calling, there will be a survey to rate this call.
Just enough of a platform to make Hawaii or Guam bask in the glow. That's all Korea has to be bribed to do to .
Congratulations on 1 million subscribers Simon!🎉
8:51 The onscreen text says:
BWONG!!
Where is my cabbage? 😂
Looks like an old soviet model from the sixties, cut in half and then welded back together with a silo in the middle.
Fairly accurate analysis.
I mean, is there anything in the North Korean arsenal that DOESN'T look like an old soviet model from the 60s?
The first coal fired submarine.
It’s not you. It’s me. I’m way too high to handle this. I promise to come back and actually watch at a later time.
Hope they can squeeze Kim inside and dive him on a ride to Davey Jones's Locker; doubt he would allow it to submerge with him inside the dangerous pos.
Last time i saw an article about North Korea and it having Submarines i saw a blurry picture with what looked like a type 7. Like the ones used in wolfpack operations against allied trade conveys. By the german Wehrmacht in World War 2...
well, the Type XXI was quite successfully used up into the 90's, its a functional "Base" even for modern Submarines.
but how the Internals look, i dont know.
btw. not the Wehrmacht used them, the Kriegsmarine did
The difficulty in making a nuclear attack capable submarine isn't the submarine, it's the weapons you put on it, so the question on that front is really "have the North Koreans made a nuclear weapon small enough to fit on a submarine launched ballistic missile?" And honestly, there's no reason to doubt that. The major nuclear powers solved that problem in the sixties and knowledge tends to spread, even to the hermit kingdom.
I assume the navies of the US and their allies are more concerned with determining how good the boat is at hiding, should the time come for them to kill it.
Agree 100%
It's a total freakin' fantasy to imagine, just to imagine that N Korea has the capability to build much less arm, much less crew, much less maintain, much less launch anything from underwater other than a big overblown fart. We're talking about some of the most complex, highly sophisticated machines known to war and you think a 2 bit thug and his cronies have it dialed in? wow just wow.
its possible... now its a game of chess with the US Navy. It makes sense actually.. if North Korea lacks the tech to go direct to the USA or Europe
A sub that may have the potential to launch a shorter range missile is a advantage. But all this may be a ploy. .. Time will tell.
@@linesided never underestimate North Korea my friend as that is 100% what they want you to do and then in the dead of night the strike comes............
You can believe that the US will be assessing it's stealth and functionality
As soon as it goes on sea trials, the US will have a lot of information on this sub. We every day people won't know anything, but the people that matter will know.
It's just a re-re-re-re-hash of a Soviet era diesel boat and not even a very good one. U.S. and U.N. intelligence probably already know most of the pertinent info and have since the 1990s 😂
*[Eating potato chips]* So, any bets on how long it takes before the North Korean government tries to cover up a horrible, tragic disaster with this sub? I'm thinkin' something like the Kursk, maybe a month from now.
I'm hoping the sub is spotted just outside of US waters off the coast of California. Maybe shoot some fireworks into the air. That would genuinely be hilarious.
Then have South Korea and Japan to offer help but refuse, worsening the fate of the drowning sailors.
I'll be the first to admit I don't know a whole lot about submarines or submersibles, but the thing looks almost as flimsy as Titan.
K129.
@@triadwarfare Britain and Norway both offered to help, but the Soviet Union refused.
You are aware that _that's_ why those sailors died, right? The international community was horrified about what was happening.
The worst thing you can do is disrespect, or underestimate your enemy. Plot your strategy as if your enemy is capable as they advertise.
Which america does
Did Comrade Kim inherit Queen Elizabeth's hat?
I bet its nothing more than an old sub that was updated to make it look new.
Honestly you could be right it looks like an old soviet one
I mean, I never expected Kim and his cronies to be sustainable but it's nice that they're practising recycling.
This tub even opens its missile hatches..... There 'll be a US Fast Attack boat putting a Mark 48 into it before it can launch!
Cope
I won't need to. The North Korean Navy will when this thing goes to Davey Jones Locker after we sink it!
It would be a shame if it “accidentally” sank in international waters.
I think you mean "when".
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA LOOKS LIKE IT HAPPENED TO CHINA FIRST!!!! In one of their own traps, no less... HAHAHAHA
Why would a North Korean sub have 841 in English rather than a number in Korean? Also, do they Really expect us to believe they have that many ships? Unless they’re including row boats of course.
They save money by making them out of papier-mâché
All nations use the 1-9 characters for numbers, they arent attached to any language. The number system came from India thousands of years ago and is so awesome everyone ditched their way of doing nunbers and adopted the indian system. Roman numerals are a cool example of a dead number system, but there are many others as well.
Seriously Kim is putting boats in the sea. The sea might have something to say about that
I'd like to be as fair and level headed as Simon and his team but its difficult for me to take a miltary that still uses mig-17s seriously.
That military can still outperform F-16s with a Mig-17. Don't underestimate your enemies.
@@subjectc7505-you can’t be serious. I just spit some 12 year old scotch on my keyboard. Thanks for nothing komrade
@subjectc7505
Thanks to Ukraine, you win the award for the most ironic thing ever said.
@@hpblack1953 Ukraine has outdated MiG-29s and Su-27s with outdated R-27s and Air to air missiles, they're capable of shooting down Su-35S's which is Russia most modern fighters. It's still surprising no one learned from Vietnam and Afghanistan.
"It's not just the car, it's the DRIVER" -Mario Andretti
"They hate us cuz they ain't us" - Skylark & Jong-un
It's probably a Chinese rebrand kinda like those Milwaukee batteries on ebay that explode.
You mean the batteries that power a Tesla?
12:05 BWONG!! Where is my fishing pole? 😂
It's an up armored refrigeration unit that is movable to protect "Walk Like A Duck's" very special cheesecake and cheeseburger spplies. Any resembalance to a submarine is probably unintentional.
This was excellent content
This man knows what it’s at, he doesn’t care for the memes, he cares for the content
Simon, has an excellent segment on Tibet. Lest we forget.
Oh and, China just recently lost a nuclear sub??
How interesting!
Mr Un has THE most fantastic hat.
It's a TYPE 033 SUBMARINE with the holes filled in. an extension to the corning tower and a paint job.
I don't doubt the nuclear capabilities of this submarine one bit. That said, I still firmly believe this thing was only made for one goal, to continue the party narrative that they are fiercely independent and that Kim really is trying to move them away from the kids table. He's not, but it doesn't matter so long as that's what the people believe. I'm not going to be impressed by this thing until it pops up somewhere uncomfortable during the next ROK/US large scale naval exercise.
Lol if that happened it wouldn't be around for long.
Even if it does we let it, no matter what people say US boats are and forever will be quiet and able to find anyone anywhere anyhow
Bruh it looks straight outta 1950s USSR but somehow I don’t doubt it’s worse than those deathtraps.
Kim does look kinda cute in that hat though☺️☺️
Don't know if I somewhat wouldn't prefer the Titangate submarine to this can...
They should test dive it around the wreck of the uss Johnston! Just to show it’s amazing dive depth. SCIENCE!!!!!
Congratulations Kim, seems like your subs are finally on the same level as the Soviet subs in 1950s.
Well of course, where do you think he got the plans/designs?? 😂😂😂😂
I love the american tactic of belittling your enemies, overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer
Its funny you said the same about soviet tanks, yet in ukraine the Abrams and leopards have very high loses in ratio compared to them
@@NeostormXLMAX you're a bad liar & an obvious one too. The Abrams have just gotten to Ukraine in the last few weeks & haven't even seen battle yet. There's been 5 documented Leopard's hit & 3 of those were probably repairable. If we believed Russian propaganda they've destroyed more Patriot Systems than have ever been built in the history of the system. The Russians can't even keep their navy at sea against a country without a navy... cope harder tankie
@@NeostormXLMAX "in ratio"? that's a whole new category of copium you guys is having over there.
It's state of the art for North Korea, but still 80 years behind American technology.
Having served in the US Navy, I can give you an educated guess. Its not a ballistic submarine. The simple fact is that it is too small. An ICBM is a large weapon system and requires a large platform to launch. And no, I don't mean minute man sized missiles, but in order to keep from killing everyone on board during launch, you need space. 841 is at best a copy of the Chinese design run most likely be diesel marine engines.
I can always follow the dopamine to your channel and new or archived videos! You're great for my chronic depression! Thanks again bro.
To quote you Simon, "A grounded, no nonsense" take on this topic. This is one of the many reasons that I watch your outstanding videos. Thanks!
I watch Simon specifically for the nonsense sprinkled in.
these guys didn't do any research on this sub, amateurs.
After reading some of these comments I would like to see a video discussing the reality of North Korea compared to how it’s often portrayed in the media.
I have no doubt that they can build a submarine that can launch nuclear missiles.
I have SEVERE doubts they are able to build nuclear warheads small enough to fit those launch tubes.
What a disgusting waste of money in a country absolutely starving with hunger.
Do you really belive that? Nations dont work if "people are starving" how many are you talkijg aboth? is your sorce Free Radio Asia? (Funded by Cia, not a joke look it up)
I wonder if the Soviets traded a couple of old conjurer submarines for a bunch of AK-47 ammo the fight with in the Ukraine. Maybe they threw in a couple of drones and some artillery shells. Let's hope it's one of the Russian classes that use liquid oxygen feed the diesel while underwater. I think they called those boats something like the heroshima class jokingly.
4:26 kim looking fresh with that sun hat.
It’s probably a Russian sub they borrowed for the event
Coincidence he visited Putin recently?
It's naval architecture: Take the length of the vessel (measurable via pictures) and the ratio of length-to-width to determine cruising speed. Take the height of the vessel to determine the max length of missiles it can carry, then analyze the propellant of known DPRK rockets to determine the energy density of the missiles per unit volume, and thus the max range of the missiles. Photography of US subs in drydock isn't allowed specifically because of this.
If Kim were serious, he would announce that the crew would receive food. Perhaps remains from his own plate.
I have a flag with Kimmy giving a bright sunny smile. It says: Live Love Laugh. I peed when I first saw it and had to have it. The sub should be named: Oh Kum Off It. And: You can sail the 7 dash line, in the navyyyy... oh wait. You can't.
No details as to what is INSIDE as Kim couldn't fit thru the hatch! 😂
If it was a secret, special submarine, they should have covered the propeller. 😮
Now that the US has pictures of the propeller, they can adjust our sonar systems to detect the noise it will make and KABOOM! 😂
Didn't the sub look... Really small? It didn't look like it would have enough room!
Would be a shame if it sunk due to a faulty toilet 🚽🪠
That happened in WWII to the Germans. Look it up
I 100% believe this thing is going to suffer a catastrophic failure before it’s even 3 years old.
why is north korea still around, tbfh!?
If N. Korea wants to mess around with nuclear power, they should try to give electric lighting to the people.At night, from space it looks like a black hole.
I can tell you everything you want to know about the sub. You fill it with baking soda and it goes brrrrrrrrr..😅😂😅
Yes, I believe it. They have some fairly sophisticated missile tech and some reliable Diesel-Electric boats.
@13:00, you talk about the Yonos. It's worth noting that the DPRK sold four of them to Iran. That concerns me as an armchair analyst because that could mean Pyongyang might, if pressed hard enough, might consider selling nukes to Iran.
Iran: **sigh** _"More nukes? ...OK. put them in storage with the rest"_
[Door opens showing rusted, rotting missiles that are leaking mysterious liquids on the ground]
North Korea is still roughly 70 years behind even the most mundane of advanced economies Brazil Argentina most of south America etc. We were building balistic missile subs in the 50's.
Isn't their weaponry mostly old soviet items from the Korean war? Accept for the "parade" stuff
A lot of the parade stuff is old grads being pulled by tractors.
Soviet tractors...
In short, yes.
they still have Mig 15's in active service and most of that parade junk is just dressed up 50's and 60's era armor retreads!! NATO intel says at most they have a 96 hour fuel supply and 11 days food ration supply at full combat consumption rates!!
So much for self-reliance eh.
Im sure anytime its deployed there will be a seawolf tailing it. Also we should ballon in usb sticks with The Hunt for The Red October on them.
We watch your videos in history class.
I would like to confirm that this sub is indeed operational and will sink faster than any other sub when you put it in water.I would also that the crew can hold their breath for an extended period of time in case the sub is unable to surface.
That thumbnail 😂
This thing couldn't leave the vicinity of north Korea without being sunk
An Astute or Sea Wolf class would find it, Damn chop sticks eating noodles will give it away! 😂
Bold of you to assume the DPRK has noodles.
Also, wow that was racist.
@alaeriia01 It's a strange world, maybe a somewhat racist comment the so called "quiet" diesel/electric submersible does not have Western Technology!
Another video that would be absolutely hilarious on Brain Blaze, but for the safety of Fact Boy cant be over there.
Lets not to be so harsh on the North Koreans. I'm sure the submarine can sink.
Ahaha
Love having an in the middle of approach 🤘
One thing is for certain. Kim has amazing taste in hats