@@ethanol1058 That’s not cap lol. Falco’s combos typically aren’t going to end in a kill unless your disadvantage is easily read. If you find yourself getting 0-deathed by Falco, you might need to examine the way you’re playing.
Remember when some people like izaw thought Steve was bottom tier? Even when he has this many options, ledge traps, kill confirms, kill and combo throws, 2 frames with d smash and sends you at lower angle than wolfs d smash😂
I want to see top 5 players play against the character more in tournament to see what confidence does in this matchup. His simple weaknesses really aren’t rolled enough IMO. I think he is a bit overrated.
@@Observedwalnut75 except when you're someone like izaw, who literally was a part of the smash community in brawl which, mind you, was the same community that said that wrote off olimar because he was too gimmicky. i'm only pointing out the irony that a brawl comp player wrote off a char for being too gimmicky when that exact same thing happened with brawl olimar
i've been saying ever since Steve's block mechanic was revealed that he was gonna be busted in a few months, idk how it was possible anyone ever thought he was bad
@@Trattt people at the beginning thought he was too gimmicky to be able to succeed, even though when olimar from brawl, a character who was also written off as too gimmicky during the start of brawl, ended up being top 3 at the end of the game's competitive lifespan.
From occasionally playing with Connor and couple other good Steve labbers and tournament players it feels kinda good knowing that I’m not the only one falling for this characters tricks.
This Steve is primo what Steve's should be doing, people wouldn't hate the character if people played more like this guy, especially due to how creative they are with their setups, they just need to adjust mostly when they grab, I noticed a good chunk of his whiffed grabs Larry was able to aptly punish almost every on of them.
@@Anonymous-tt1cv Yeah, Yonni does have a very different Steve to most, other then combo's a lot of Steve's don't do anything other than the one Gimr setup that covers almost everything or TNT on platform. I think that's a bit why Yonni is kinda the definitive Steve rn.
@@jolt8337 yeah, i think the way yonni plays steve is the right way to play him if i'm being honest. but the char has so much potential that it's hard to figure out what optimal steve looks like
@@Anonymous-tt1cv Yeah, but tbf, due to the amount of potential the character has, it might take the end of Ultimate's lifespan to even see the defined optimal Steve playstyle. In my opinion Steve is able to shut down any playstyle at max his potential, I think it'll come down to a pilot sufficient enough to use all his both old and new tech optimally in most situations. That's why Steve do good in tournament but don't or seldom break top 8 in a lot of them.
Steve deals too much damage with low effort. He's also rewarded for not approaching, which means the opponent has to take more risks and play Steve's game.
I think that might be the idea, and I wouldn’t say no effort, he is pretty difficult to play. Steve as a character slows the game down, which in tern means that a good character with speed can speed up that tempo can kinda break the character fundamentally. Steve player need to be able to capitalize off of every mistake and punish with high damage.
Dude, him making those upside-down L structures is actually pretty good for surviving at high percents (hence him living till 200% xD). I swear, even after a year of this character being out I still learn new things about him.
8:00 does blaster 1 too many times from a decent range, dies at 70 for it after being carried to ledge, “yeah, I deserve it for doing blaster”. Steve is a fucking enigma, how is he not fuming during this video?? He seems more disgruntled by sheik than by Steve. I truly see no reason as to why he isn’t commonly perceived as TOP tier. Maybe not nerf worthy, but Jesus Christ. This character is LITERALLY playing his own game, and 9 times out of 10 its a single player one.
1. Just don't approach Steve 2. Keep sword between Steve and self at all times Steve really doesn't have a way to get in, so he has a lot of the same weaknesses as Icies. The only difference is that Steve can get just as much reward as Icies for less effort, on top of having a semi-decent option with Minecart, so he's closer to mid than anything. Steve has a lot of counterplay once you learn the matchup.
Idk how people can look at this and think this is boring. I don't mind when Steve players are called carried or if Steve is called broken etc. But this gameplay is creative as hell. At the very least I find it hilarious, but boring? No shot.
I think that goes for qp steves that just minecart all day, the setups here are cool to see but I imagine they're awful to play against. Also, walking jab/uptilt still annoys me even if I'm seeing someone else caught in it, lol
@@BBB-pe3ip “that anyone can do” I present to you: Yophey. They’re someone who posts on their Twitter account what is, in my opinion, currently the most technical and optimized Steve combos out there. Pick any one of them, and I can tell you for a fact that it’s not a combo that “anyone can do”. Steve is a legitimately difficult character to play optimally, and if you think he’s braindead, then you’ve probably just been losing to braindead players.
I dont know if its because i ugly and stupid and ugly but I have spent the last thirty minutes trying to vote for Larry but I dont see where to vote on the smash gg website. all I see is the thing that says "top 2 players get in and bottom 2 get eliminated" where do I go to cast my vote?
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What the fuck is Steve's recovery... I'm so glad this character is janky enough that the mouth breathers stay away from expressing their cancer through him
@@dynamicjackstorm you are correct, lack of mobility is why I dont think snake is top 10 but steve has much better movement options because.he can get tricky with his blocks. Usually characters like steve would get camped but hes kinda like cloud in smash 4 in that he out camps projectile characters without projectiles, he can set up his blocks to sheild himself and mine. He then gets better tools to kill you even earlier, his speed isnt as much of a factor because of the fact you are always trying to approach him. And you're playing into his hands because he can combo and possibly kill you. You cant just camp because the steve will out camp you every time, this is why in my eyes steve is top 10
Wienerdog5 I don’t see how blocks are that helpful against other zoners when they can just destroy them or avoid them from a distance. His approach options are just so bad I see Steve getting zoned out better by every other zones
@@KevSB07 Nah, that's why you build more blocks and net gain on materials. Unless you're Samus or Duck Hunt, Zoners are not all that much of a problem. Cart, up-tilt, even approaching jab/f-tilt but mainly cart is really good at getting on Zoners.
@@jolt8337 yeah agree, the main thing that hurts Steve speed wise is that he has bad range. In my opinion, low range is a non issue unless you are slow, which is what steve is, but when is steve ever going to approach you?
THIS is what I see on Steve and why I love watching him so much. Creativity on how to use his toolkit is what makes him so enjoyable, and this guy is the textbook Steve players should do instead of trying to make camping work. You have no idea of how many people have insulted me for the single fact I like Steve.
Yo this was a very cool video, thank you. Steve is crazy and seeing this video brought a smile to my face. Rosa B Rad and perhaps a Rosa video yes no maybe so
Well yeah, if your idea of hype is holding forward, then yeah, this isn't for you, but then again, most Smash content probably isn't for you either. This, or you play DK.
@@semuta2752 Nah, in that regard it would be lame for the fact that it's a true combo, people who hold forward and nothing else hate cutscene combo's, I should know, I am that someone.
@@jolt8337 Aggression (holding forward) will always be more entertaining than stalling/camping. Melee and Project M are both examples of Smash content that support aggressive play.
I dunno what the hell you're talking about. Most of the combo's Steve's pull off are honestly very imput heavy and require good timing, now for setups, those are just quick thinking and reaction times but most of his combo's are genuinely hard to do.
Ok, probably just a fortnite fanboy. xD Joking of course, you're probably just salty, come back with a better understanding of disadvantage state and a better mindset for your opinion.
@Jolt I don't lose to Steve, nor do I have difficulty fighting him. I play characters that do very well against him. I just hate that he's a character and that Minecraft exists. I genuinely think Minecraft was the worst thing to ever happen to gaming. For what it's worth, I think Fortnite is the second worst.
@@lyxertt Ok, if it's not your thing I can understand that, but saying "It's the worst game ever created." is a bit much. I'm guessing you like Classical RPGs, Fighters, or something very niche, which is fine. As a sandbox though, Minecraft isn't all that bad.
@Jolt Not really a fan of fighters, either. JRPGs and games like Dark Souls are my addiction. xD I get what you mean, though. It's an opinion either way; I just have a very strong opinion of it.
Those houses he built where he lived to 200 were so funny
All the best parts about playing at hyrule temple, sitting at the bottom of steve's pockets.
This is Sakurai's vision
Damn, I was just as stressed seeing the outrageous things Steve can do
Steve's been out for over a year and he still has so much untapped potential. He could quite literally be a top 5 character
It's definitely possible
Agreed
It's why he's the only character I watch competitively, it feels like a see new tech each week
@@aetherius6221 exactly!!!
@@aetherius6221 frrr!
1:20
"I'll get hit and I'm like oh this might be it he might 0 to death me"
Oh really? Tell us more Falco Main :P
@@trombonegamer14 🧢
@@ethanol1058 no cap. if falco is 0 to deathing you, your habits are being exploited. play better
Falco is more like 0-100 real quick lol not necessarily dead though.
@@ethanol1058 That’s not cap lol. Falco’s combos typically aren’t going to end in a kill unless your disadvantage is easily read. If you find yourself getting 0-deathed by Falco, you might need to examine the way you’re playing.
@@ethanol1058 I have never seen a single falco 0-death
2:38 Steve was still inside the mine cart. So it
Didn’t grab you! Fun Steve fact for the day.
he thought his up smash would extend his hitbox far enough to hit the minecart as it was going left after steve had exited
Remember when some people like izaw thought Steve was bottom tier? Even when he has this many options, ledge traps, kill confirms, kill and combo throws, 2 frames with d smash and sends you at lower angle than wolfs d smash😂
I want to see top 5 players play against the character more in tournament to see what confidence does in this matchup. His simple weaknesses really aren’t rolled enough IMO. I think he is a bit overrated.
@@sauce8277 bruh steve upsets so many top players lmao
izaw played brawl comp too, idk why vets like him would write off a character who relies on a "different gimmick"
So cringe how someone makes a day 1 opinion and autists repeatedly bring it up like opinions cant change
@@Observedwalnut75 except when you're someone like izaw, who literally was a part of the smash community in brawl which, mind you, was the same community that said that wrote off olimar because he was too gimmicky. i'm only pointing out the irony that a brawl comp player wrote off a char for being too gimmicky when that exact same thing happened with brawl olimar
Steve: (shows up)
Falco’s U-Tilt: Finally! A worthy opponent! Our battle will be legendary!!
5:40 steve taking that "just dont die bro" advice seriously I see
i've been saying ever since Steve's block mechanic was revealed that he was gonna be busted in a few months, idk how it was possible anyone ever thought he was bad
What?
Who thought he was bad?
@@Trattt people at the beginning thought he was too gimmicky to be able to succeed, even though when olimar from brawl, a character who was also written off as too gimmicky during the start of brawl, ended up being top 3 at the end of the game's competitive lifespan.
@@Trattt izaw smash thought he was the worst in the game. Im like bruh you main ike so hes not gonna be good for someone like you.
Either this Steve is a huge fan of Zain’s Roy, or Zain is secretly a sick Steve main.
"Mom, can we get Minecraft?"
"We have Minecraft at home."
Minecraft at home:
I could’ve honestly felt Larry’s frustration the whole time.
Don’t worry, we can all relate.
From occasionally playing with Connor and couple other good Steve labbers and tournament players it feels kinda good knowing that I’m not the only one falling for this characters tricks.
Larry Lurr got cut off 😂💀
"On-"
I've never laughed so hard from watching a Smash video until now.
this is they hypest shit i ve seen in a while in this channel
This Steve is primo what Steve's should be doing, people wouldn't hate the character if people played more like this guy, especially due to how creative they are with their setups, they just need to adjust mostly when they grab, I noticed a good chunk of his whiffed grabs Larry was able to aptly punish almost every on of them.
that's because yonni plays more set-up oriented compared to other steves
@@Anonymous-tt1cv Yeah, Yonni does have a very different Steve to most, other then combo's a lot of Steve's don't do anything other than the one Gimr setup that covers almost everything or TNT on platform. I think that's a bit why Yonni is kinda the definitive Steve rn.
@@jolt8337 yeah, i think the way yonni plays steve is the right way to play him if i'm being honest. but the char has so much potential that it's hard to figure out what optimal steve looks like
@@Anonymous-tt1cv Yeah, but tbf, due to the amount of potential the character has, it might take the end of Ultimate's lifespan to even see the defined optimal Steve playstyle. In my opinion Steve is able to shut down any playstyle at max his potential, I think it'll come down to a pilot sufficient enough to use all his both old and new tech optimally in most situations. That's why Steve do good in tournament but don't or seldom break top 8 in a lot of them.
@@jolt8337 think the same can be said for kazuya and sheik. the most expansive chars in this game will def do the best at the end of ultimate I feel
Steve deals too much damage with low effort. He's also rewarded for not approaching, which means the opponent has to take more risks and play Steve's game.
I think that might be the idea, and I wouldn’t say no effort, he is pretty difficult to play. Steve as a character slows the game down, which in tern means that a good character with speed can speed up that tempo can kinda break the character fundamentally. Steve player need to be able to capitalize off of every mistake and punish with high damage.
Saying low effort is wild doing nil’s back to back is hard
@@playharderscrub Shorthop-block feels a bit harder to do than 2 block NILs ngl. Once you get the timing for NIL down, it isn't as bad as it seems.
This was actually really fun to watch
Steven minecraft is a real menace
Zain secretly been grinding Steve.
sometimes when you play. against steve you no longer play smash bros you are playing minecraft
Dude, him making those upside-down L structures is actually pretty good for surviving at high percents (hence him living till 200% xD). I swear, even after a year of this character being out I still learn new things about him.
This guy is the opposite of Riddles, starting with the fact that his tag is "DONT TEST ME"
9:56 wait, you didn't know you can footstool grabs? That's the main way you got em in Sm4sh I thought
The main way people got footstools in Smash 4 was on aerials. Also, Steve seems to be the only character in Ultimate who you can footstool out of grab
8:00 does blaster 1 too many times from a decent range, dies at 70 for it after being carried to ledge, “yeah, I deserve it for doing blaster”. Steve is a fucking enigma, how is he not fuming during this video?? He seems more disgruntled by sheik than by Steve. I truly see no reason as to why he isn’t commonly perceived as TOP tier. Maybe not nerf worthy, but Jesus Christ. This character is LITERALLY playing his own game, and 9 times out of 10 its a single player one.
1. Just don't approach Steve
2. Keep sword between Steve and self at all times
Steve really doesn't have a way to get in, so he has a lot of the same weaknesses as Icies. The only difference is that Steve can get just as much reward as Icies for less effort, on top of having a semi-decent option with Minecart, so he's closer to mid than anything. Steve has a lot of counterplay once you learn the matchup.
@@csg1lcolonel528 you do know there tons of techs for Steve right
@@noonesarino7913 "a lot of techs" isn't going to push him up the tier list at all
this steve is the truth
FUN LARRY FACT: Larry has never been to a Summit before! 😳
This fun fact about to be outdated in a few days (hopefully)
Looking forward to the day Silvesta gets to be the harbinger of Larry’s active Summit presence.
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I love this character so much
As the best bowser player in my region with no Steve mains here, watching this shit got me stressed when I’m going to genesis this year 😭
It’s really cool to watch a good Steve lol
Dying by minecart shouldn't be a thing.
Offline it’s not really
Idk how people can look at this and think this is boring. I don't mind when Steve players are called carried or if Steve is called broken etc. But this gameplay is creative as hell. At the very least I find it hilarious, but boring? No shot.
I think that goes for qp steves that just minecart all day, the setups here are cool to see but I imagine they're awful to play against. Also, walking jab/uptilt still annoys me even if I'm seeing someone else caught in it, lol
I find it frustrating to watch tbh
@xikarra if you've never been hit by a full Dedede gordo > grab > imagination combo, it feels like getting hit by a truck
When it zooms in on you at 3:45 you look just like Steve lmao
I dont rly play smash anymore but I still cant believe steve is in this game and he can do all this crazy shit 😂
3:58 thats a very good combo, i laughed so much seeing this
7:06 thats the better version
I don’t care what anyone says, Steve combos and setups are really cool to watch
To each his own
Yea, just the nooch can be hard to watch but other than that Steve is hype
It's all the same cookie cutter combos that anyone can do.
Also, Steve gets rewarded for not approaching, which is lame by default.
@@BBB-pe3ip then by all means do NIL's and PBR's, if anyone can do them
@@BBB-pe3ip “that anyone can do”
I present to you: Yophey. They’re someone who posts on their Twitter account what is, in my opinion, currently the most technical and optimized Steve combos out there. Pick any one of them, and I can tell you for a fact that it’s not a combo that “anyone can do”.
Steve is a legitimately difficult character to play optimally, and if you think he’s braindead, then you’ve probably just been losing to braindead players.
Now ik why everyone say steeve is broken
need that "What?!?" to become a reused soundbite fr fr
The first combo was dirty
Mah man's don't know what to do when there's a wall or a ceiling
The whole video was Larry screaming becasue Steve is broken
Ive learned things about steve today
Steve jab comboing across the whole stage into a spike def one of the lamest things in the game
7:22.... Gawd Dayum 9:24, 9:57
you cut off the intro Larry :(
Yeah lmao, I think he was going to say, "Onto the video."
I dont know if its because i ugly and stupid and ugly but I have spent the last thirty minutes trying to vote for Larry but I dont see where to vote on the smash gg website. all I see is the thing that says "top 2 players get in and bottom 2 get eliminated" where do I go to cast my vote?
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steve does not have the sauce
Steve is such a hit & run character
10:12 Can anyone explain how Wolf's side B doesn't connect?
It wasn't spaced properly
Pikachu change would be difficult because it requires to change animation which is gonna cost more moneyb
tweek and dabuz are gonna pick up steve and we’re all gonna die
Dabuz is known for wall of Defense. Dabuz plays Min Min and Olimar. Adding Steve to his defense will definitely make a strong trio.
@@TwilightWonderer Dabuz also uses Rosa, so combined with Oli, he shouldn't have an issue pulling off Steve's tech
This guy was mad good
What the fuck is Steve's recovery... I'm so glad this character is janky enough that the mouth breathers stay away from expressing their cancer through him
You mean like T-bagging and general toxic behavior online?
@@jolt8337 Tbagging isn't really toxic though. If watching someone crouch repeatedly insults or upsets you in some way, you have an issue.
Yeah Steve imo probably top 10. Especially min min got hard nerfed.
No, he’s too slow
@@dynamicjackstorm you are correct, lack of mobility is why I dont think snake is top 10 but steve has much better movement options because.he can get tricky with his blocks. Usually characters like steve would get camped but hes kinda like cloud in smash 4 in that he out camps projectile characters without projectiles, he can set up his blocks to sheild himself and mine. He then gets better tools to kill you even earlier, his speed isnt as much of a factor because of the fact you are always trying to approach him. And you're playing into his hands because he can combo and possibly kill you. You cant just camp because the steve will out camp you every time, this is why in my eyes steve is top 10
Wienerdog5 I don’t see how blocks are that helpful against other zoners when they can just destroy them or avoid them from a distance. His approach options are just so bad I see Steve getting zoned out better by every other zones
@@KevSB07 Nah, that's why you build more blocks and net gain on materials. Unless you're Samus or Duck Hunt, Zoners are not all that much of a problem. Cart, up-tilt, even approaching jab/f-tilt but mainly cart is really good at getting on Zoners.
@@jolt8337 yeah agree, the main thing that hurts Steve speed wise is that he has bad range. In my opinion, low range is a non issue unless you are slow, which is what steve is, but when is steve ever going to approach you?
Can we vote for DONTESTME for Summit 4? #DonTestMe4Summit
his tag is Yonni, his links are in the description
@@ezrawr_xd6499 Thank you.
Been hearing about steve being complained at on smash Twitter agaun what happened?
5:25 building your own custom stage to camp and mine in when you're at high % has got to be the lamest possible playstyle
Wolf's Bair
Indeed. Wolf bair
Steve Sensation as work
7:10 EWWWWWWWWW!!!!! I'LL TAKE 6
I'm stealing that shit too
Damn... Messed up the timestamp
Is that Rockman?
dude, he's so good at the game. tf
He’s a pro player and probably the best Steve. Ranked around 100 I think. Yonni
I 100% think steve is a top 10 character
Bro lmaooo wtf Steve is so broken
That's Falco baby
Sour spots for days
THIS is what I see on Steve and why I love watching him so much. Creativity on how to use his toolkit is what makes him so enjoyable, and this guy is the textbook Steve players should do instead of trying to make camping work. You have no idea of how many people have insulted me for the single fact I like Steve.
Holy shitzz lol , I'm Steve main , and even I'm like wtf, that shitzz works lol 😆
why is his tag Tina Fey haha
This person's tag sounds familiar.
Looks like riddles’ tag
It’s Yonni
jesus steve is scary
Love these kind of videos with a bit more "montage".
I just sent my friend a steve meme and then this pops up
Wolf Bair
I love the copium at the end
Larry what happened to that intro 🤨
that steve player is legit!!!!!
It’s Yonni, pretty sure he’s the best Steve player
Yo this was a very cool video, thank you. Steve is crazy and seeing this video brought a smile to my face. Rosa B Rad and perhaps a Rosa video yes no maybe so
Never seen such a none hype, strong character. It's Irritating to watch
Well yeah, if your idea of hype is holding forward, then yeah, this isn't for you, but then again, most Smash content probably isn't for you either. This, or you play DK.
@@jolt8337 if that was their idea of hype, Steve’s jab-walk combo would be the hypest shit in the game
@@semuta2752 Nah, in that regard it would be lame for the fact that it's a true combo, people who hold forward and nothing else hate cutscene combo's, I should know, I am that someone.
@@jolt8337 Aggression (holding forward) will always be more entertaining than stalling/camping. Melee and Project M are both examples of Smash content that support aggressive play.
My man is out here complaining about Steve when Wolf is an actual walking warcrime
WHO WAS THIS PERSON??
I love playing against Steve
I go down to the comments noticing silvesta the bird is no where to be seen
Disappointing
Oh he out here
Mfw LarryLurr uploads
I want wadi in summit
Sorry man. It would have been fun though
Steve mains are a different breed. 9/10 they're tough, but also really really fun to play against
Wait, you don’t need a Twitter lol thx
this video made me angry
If you got like 10 dislike notifications my b I got big thumbs and I was tryna hit like
Don’t understand how anyone can think Steve takes skill lmao he makes Smash 4 Mario look as technical as a Shulk tech w/ an acronym
I mean have you done an NIL
@xikarra why not mechanical skills? steve mains grind hard to get down optimal combos using NIL and PBR, and they're still not that consistent
I dunno what the hell you're talking about. Most of the combo's Steve's pull off are honestly very imput heavy and require good timing, now for setups, those are just quick thinking and reaction times but most of his combo's are genuinely hard to do.
pull off a perfect 0td repeater combo and i'll accept this statement
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And this is a great example of why Steve should be banned.
First view
If they're broken then just fix them instead of making a video on them??? 🤨🤨
@@Sh1v3rIZAE There's this thing called a joke, perhaps you need to look it up.
@@Sh1v3rIZAE theres no way you're a real human right
@@abstral7192 humans have souls, so no
@@Sh1v3rIZAE it was obvious tho? Also no ones mad at you or trying to mock you, I didnt even do anything
Me saying that is me implying theres no way you didnt get that
Minecraft is literally the worst game ever created. I support the Steve ban.
Ok, probably just a fortnite fanboy. xD Joking of course, you're probably just salty, come back with a better understanding of disadvantage state and a better mindset for your opinion.
@Jolt
I don't lose to Steve, nor do I have difficulty fighting him. I play characters that do very well against him. I just hate that he's a character and that Minecraft exists. I genuinely think Minecraft was the worst thing to ever happen to gaming. For what it's worth, I think Fortnite is the second worst.
@@lyxertt Ok, if it's not your thing I can understand that, but saying "It's the worst game ever created." is a bit much. I'm guessing you like Classical RPGs, Fighters, or something very niche, which is fine. As a sandbox though, Minecraft isn't all that bad.
Either you've never played Minecraft or you've constantly died and can't adapt to it lmao
*Ratio~*
@Jolt
Not really a fan of fighters, either. JRPGs and games like Dark Souls are my addiction. xD
I get what you mean, though. It's an opinion either way; I just have a very strong opinion of it.
This game is lame
Who's the Steve? Yonni?
Yeah, that’s Yonni