This is a rule that needs to be clarified. If you play Change of Heart on Krayt Dragon. Who is dealt the 6 dmg? Since change of heart will transfer ownership and Krayt's ability will trigger and resolve after the change. The original owner would still choose for 2 reasons. 1 if the new owner were to choose the opponent playing a card is now a false statement preventing the ability from taking place. 2. Much like Krayt being vanquished the dmg would still be dealt even after it leaves play. Hope this helps.
@@TwelveTables Thanks for a great comment! This has to be the most polarising scenario in SWU so far. I'm still trying to figure out which approach is the right one.
@@Oneidos_Gaming yeah think the biggest question is does the bold text for activation happen. Then when the non bold text happens does the cards controller choose. The only scenarios that make sense are the damage will be done to the player who played change of heart/change sides. From there it's who gets to choose base or unit. This would make the most since due to the bold text being true. The next part is do SWU abilities work like Bossk or a traitorous Superlaser tech. Since when SLT is stolen and defeated it becomes the opponents resource. In following this example the new controller could target their own base or a unit. If we use Bossk being removed from play it would still do the 2 dmg. Then it doesn't matter where the unit is the original owner is the one to choose where Krayt does the damage. Yet, in either case the bold text trigger happens and resolves by the player who controlled the card at the time it was triggered. Thus for consistency what makes the most sense (imo) is since Kyrats bold text was activated by the original owner it should be completed by the original owner.
Thanks for the detailed breakdown! I think I agree with your take. We could both be wrong though, will need to confirm this based on rules (an official clarification could be on its way)
What about if Cad Bane is your leader? That one triggers to exhaust Cad when you play an Underworld card and your opponent picks a unit they control to take 1 (or 2 damage if he's deployed)... so when does that trigger in the timing sequence of the Ma Klounkee / Bossk damage sequence as it might matter who you put your damage into based on what they declare?
@@SciFiPorkChop28 Hey, good question! First you'd need to fully resolve Ma Klounkee, then decide the order in which the two simultaneous triggers should resolve.
I've been wondering about an interaction with the Tie Phantom. If the card can not be damaged by enemy card abilities and I have a shield on the Tie Phantom, will the shield be protected from events like Open Fire or damage pings likes Vader and Palps leader abilities as well?
@ItsMe_K3 Is the shield a separate target from the Tie Phantom and not a part of it like other equipment or keywords? How is the shield targeted over the unit as a separate target when the shield description says, "If damage would be dealt to attached unit, prevent that damage."? How is the shield defeated when no damage is being dealt from the Tie Phantoms ability to prevent damage?
@@philipyauch5858 Good question! Since shields prevent damage dealt to the unit they are attached to and phantom can't be damaged by enemy card abilities, I'd say the shield doesn't pop in these cases. In fact, shielding the phantom leaves your opponent with even fewer options to deal with it (return to your hand, -X/-X it or use Force Lightning and turn it into a firework)
@@user-yn2yp7oq6j Hey, thanks for watching! The calculation is about how many resources you need to have available on the round you pull the combo off. I assume that Bossk was already in play, so his cost was paid on a previous round.
Great video. Glad I've been playing this correct
Glad you enjoyed it!
Good thing is that both Forcetable and Karabast resolve this correctly too (tested yesterday)
This is a rule that needs to be clarified. If you play Change of Heart on Krayt Dragon. Who is dealt the 6 dmg? Since change of heart will transfer ownership and Krayt's ability will trigger and resolve after the change. The original owner would still choose for 2 reasons. 1 if the new owner were to choose the opponent playing a card is now a false statement preventing the ability from taking place. 2. Much like Krayt being vanquished the dmg would still be dealt even after it leaves play. Hope this helps.
@@TwelveTables Thanks for a great comment! This has to be the most polarising scenario in SWU so far. I'm still trying to figure out which approach is the right one.
@@Oneidos_Gaming yeah think the biggest question is does the bold text for activation happen. Then when the non bold text happens does the cards controller choose. The only scenarios that make sense are the damage will be done to the player who played change of heart/change sides. From there it's who gets to choose base or unit. This would make the most since due to the bold text being true. The next part is do SWU abilities work like Bossk or a traitorous Superlaser tech. Since when SLT is stolen and defeated it becomes the opponents resource. In following this example the new controller could target their own base or a unit. If we use Bossk being removed from play it would still do the 2 dmg. Then it doesn't matter where the unit is the original owner is the one to choose where Krayt does the damage. Yet, in either case the bold text trigger happens and resolves by the player who controlled the card at the time it was triggered. Thus for consistency what makes the most sense (imo) is since Kyrats bold text was activated by the original owner it should be completed by the original owner.
Thanks for the detailed breakdown! I think I agree with your take. We could both be wrong though, will need to confirm this based on rules (an official clarification could be on its way)
You'll make me start playing Cunning decks too. Great video mate!
This is the way!
What about if Cad Bane is your leader? That one triggers to exhaust Cad when you play an Underworld card and your opponent picks a unit they control to take 1 (or 2 damage if he's deployed)... so when does that trigger in the timing sequence of the Ma Klounkee / Bossk damage sequence as it might matter who you put your damage into based on what they declare?
@@SciFiPorkChop28 Hey, good question! First you'd need to fully resolve Ma Klounkee, then decide the order in which the two simultaneous triggers should resolve.
I've been wondering about an interaction with the Tie Phantom. If the card can not be damaged by enemy card abilities and I have a shield on the Tie Phantom, will the shield be protected from events like Open Fire or damage pings likes Vader and Palps leader abilities as well?
The unit is a valid target, and the shield is defeated. You are effectively not dealing damage to the unit
@ItsMe_K3 Is the shield a separate target from the Tie Phantom and not a part of it like other equipment or keywords? How is the shield targeted over the unit as a separate target when the shield description says, "If damage would be dealt to attached unit, prevent that damage."? How is the shield defeated when no damage is being dealt from the Tie Phantoms ability to prevent damage?
@@philipyauch5858 Good question! Since shields prevent damage dealt to the unit they are attached to and phantom can't be damaged by enemy card abilities, I'd say the shield doesn't pop in these cases.
In fact, shielding the phantom leaves your opponent with even fewer options to deal with it (return to your hand, -X/-X it or use Force Lightning and turn it into a firework)
So following the same logic, if i shoot first with bossk, his attack damage resolves before the 2 damage from the event?
Yes.
@@jabbakingtut Exactly! For a more detailed explanation, you can check out my previous upload on this!
m.ruclips.net/video/D6Uy4eY1JPo/видео.html
your calculation of dealing 13 points of damage for 6 resources is wrong becouse you had to pay for bossk before
@@user-yn2yp7oq6j Hey, thanks for watching! The calculation is about how many resources you need to have available on the round you pull the combo off. I assume that Bossk was already in play, so his cost was paid on a previous round.