I have fond memories of the army navy stores. The owner was a avid wild west historian, he taught me some of the card games that were popular at the time. When he passed away, I was willed his pair of 1860 colt army revolvers, I still have them to this day.
@@coldmountain1997 yup he's where my fascination with the old west comes from. I have no doubts that someone with the same enthusiasm will come around. Half the kids in my neighborhood know how to play faro, and five finger draw.
Military surplus is still full of surprises. Recently a couple bought a bunch of plastic shipping boxes from a military surplus online site. A couple of the boxes came filled with fully functional M16A2 rifles!
I remember going to an army surplus store with my father when I was a kid, he wanted good warm gloves and I was concerned thinking only soldiers would be allowed to buy things from the store 😅
I knew that surplus came west but I'd never thought about the volume of surplus. The army kept and converted a number of Springfields and Colts but most of the conversation models were phased out by the 1870's add to that, the downsizing of the military, that is a tremendous amount of weapons and equipment available on the open market. That also explains why firearms manufacturers put out new models frequently in the later half of the 19th century. Thanks for making my gears turn! You folks do wonderful work on this channel!
Always enjoy going to an Army-Navy store if I'm in the area. Don't think there are many left. Never thought of them supplying westward pilgrims, but should have. Thanks for opening my eyes. 😊
My 12 year old son has gotten hooked on Airsoft battles and gear. I took him to our local surplus shop yesterday and he got a full set, jacket and pants, of woodland BDU's for just about $40! He's rockin' them on the Airsoft field today. I have always enjoyed the surplus stores and I'm passing the torch! 😁
I used to live in Poughkeepsie, New York and would see Bannerman's castle near Beacon on my way to Manhattan on the train. I always wanted to visit the island, but not owning a boat made it a little tricky and so I never did. Here in Toronto, Canada there was a military surplus store up until about ten years ago. The differences in kit from American are fairly interesting.
That’s really cool. My dad would take us all into the many military surplus stores around Tucson. There were many during and after the Vietnam war. I know, I just dated myself.
Howdy y’all. I’m using my surplus this weekend on the homestead up here in the pine mountains of Prescott, AZ. The west is still pretty wild in places out here.
Great video Santee, I had never realized how much of a role surplus military gear had played in the old west, but now that I think of it, it does make sense. Military surplus stores were great when I was a kid, you could find all kinds of neat stuff to outfit your backyard camp with for cheap money. But sadly, nothing is cheap at military surplus stores now, they want top dollar for everything. By the way, thanks for mentioning 11BangBang's channel, I subscribed to it. JT
You can still get plenty of cheap surplus, at least online. You just can't get cheap AMERICAN surplus. If you're willing to purchase European gear instead a barging can still be found, and a lot of the time it's actually better than the American equivalent. The American surplus market, especially for items from Vietnam and older, is now dominated by collectors rather than people who want the stuff for practical use.
I grew up in the late 1950s in El Paso, Texas, home of Fort Bliss and Surplus Stores!!! French WW I bayonets $1, web belts $0.50, steel WW II canteens with cup and cover $1, combat boots $2, paratrooper boots $5, field mess kits $0.25... an endless, cheap, inexhaustible supply of Cool Stuff!
The US Army pretty much had sold off all of the CW Surplus by the 1880s so most of it went west with whomever needed it and could buy it. The first rule of a gunfight is to "have a gun". Also, even if it IS a cap-n'-ball wheelgun, it sure beats throwing rocks!
When my great grandfather immigrated from Hungary in 1888, he moved to the Wyoming territory. He bought in 1889 a presumably used Colt Richards Mason conversion pistol and Spencer Carbine. We still have the guns and Bill of sale.
With you on the military surplus stores. They were mysterious and magical for a boy. Don't know why they went away. Like cap guns and candy cigarettes, gone before their time...
Great video, as always. My favorite surplus in the Old West period is definitely the old cap and ball revolvers converted to cartridges. I wish Red Dead Redemption II had put some of these in the game.
As the franchise goes backwards, RDR2 being a prequel, it would be cool if RDR3 went back to 1879 and a young Dutch starting out with cap and ball revolvers, working up to Peacemakers and Schofields.
We still use surplus stuff now. I’m going hunting in a few weeks and I have a mash of different surplus stuff. I got my 1883 Uberti colt clone, and took it to the range yesterday. What fun! A few problems with my reloads, but I learned a little, and they’ll be perfect for my next trip in two weeks.
My grandfather and father were still using surplus horses tack in the 40's. Up until a house fire in 2009 we still used a old mcqulen saddle as our braking saddle. It could take a colt trying to roll on it if necessary. And they used old army blankets as saddle pads. You could make the bars fit any horses good enough. And if you sleep out less bed roll you needed. Still have a surplus set of cutting spurs around here some where of dads. But i would never put them on a horse myself. There to dammed sharp for me to use.
In addition to legitimate surplus, there was also always the possibility of military clothing and gear making it into civilian hands by "falling off the back of the wagon" so the soldiers could make a few extra bucks.
Although it's not pertinent to the Old West, the Navy/Marine slang term for Stolen Gov't Property is '' Comshaw.'' Which sounds an awful lot like, which means 'Thank you very much,'' in Korean. A Black Market in military ''surplus'' probably predates the Roman Legions.
What happened to the surplus? WOW, I never thought of that. This was very informative, and interesting, as always, Santee. Loved the videos, pics, and the heaping helpings of dry wit.🤗 You're the best.🤠👏👏👏👏
Glad to hear you pronounce Schuyler correctly! It's a tough one if you're saying it without hearing it first. Surplus stores aren't nearly as prevalent as they used to be, probably because of the change in how the military orders its supplies. Instead of ordering uniforms in the millions to mobilize a comparable number of new recruits, they order in batches as needed to cut down on waste (relatively, anyway). With less available, there's less for the stores to buy in bulk to resell. Also why there was a lot of Soviet equipment for a while (and some current Russian equipment until recently).
TBH, most of the 'soviet ' stuff was Eastern bloc, primarily German and Czech. The Russians held out until they modernized in the 90s. LOL, Bulgarian stuff didn't hit the market until the 2000s, and mainly in Europe.
I went to the army surplus across from the base in fayetville. I got 2 fragmentation grenades, 200 black tip nato armor peirsing rounds and 800 .223 for my m16 rifle. The stinger were $2000 each and out of my price range as was the .50 cal machine gun.
@@ArizonaGhostriders the southern stores seam to differ from the northern ones in content. Virginia was the same. Long on military guns and knifes,etc... short on clothes, pots, pans and compasses.
here in England we used to have a paper magazine called Exchange and Mart and my granddad would buy loads of stuff from it and sell them on, it used to have loads of Military Surplus
One interesting fact is confederate gear was still for sale on the surplus market well into the 20th century. All the uniforms used in birth of a nation where orinals and i didn't known that till i asked a history sub reddit. Pretty interesting that there was enough gear in southern depots at the end of the war that 50+ years later it was still on the market cheap.
I’ve been having the same trouble with my mess kit, and decided based either on one of yours or townsends videos that a bone/horn spoon would be an appropriate fit.
I love surplus stores. Got a place called Delk's somewhat near me. They have a lot. Clothes, equipment, tools, Huey helicopter shells, generators. I got an east German entrenching tool cheap. They have lots of American ones even cheaper.
Great episode Santee. It is always interesting to see what was used from the Civil War at a later date. I have an original knapsack that came from Bannermans. I know he got pretty much the entire run of Rogers and Spencer revolvers but I don't think they made it West and were sold around 1900. Keep up the great videos!
@@ArizonaGhostriders There are a few videos on youtube about those Rogers & Spencer wheelguns. I think Bannermns got a hold of the last 5000, like Mr. Timothy Koehn informs us, after the US Government used less than a thousand of the guns at the very end of the Civil War. Interesting that as late as 1900 such percussion revolvers would still be marketable, probably as budget guns. Would look forward to a Ghostriders review ! "The West" will never end.
We used to have a surplus store in the little town I live in. I had only been in it a couple of times before it was turned into a fruit and vegetables store. They didn't have much inventory sad to say...but I do like going into them and checking things out 🤠🌵
This supports the truth, that it wasn't the expensive lever action, the Colt single actio revolver that "won" the west. They only made the News that easterners wanted to read - about outlaws and gunfights - which were much more rare than Hollywood portrays. The guns the both won and settled the west were these surplus guns - mostly rifled muskets, that when they were rotted out, were reamed smooth and became the household game getter - the shotgun. My neighbor had two of them when we were kids. One still had the bayonet rusted onto the muzzle. Smooth bore springfields. I remember still being able to just make out the rifling because the boring out wasn't the best job. Solid minie' balls became hard to get out west, so shotguns were the norm. Much more common than any lever action combined.
Thanks for commenting.. We know that guns did not win the West, be they surplus or not. It is a fact that a lot of documented gun battles occured with the famous Colt SAA and lever actions. It also wasn't uncommon to see a surplus rifle or pistol in the mix. Shotguns were in that mix, too.
An important episode not dealt with elsewhere. Army surplus boots and clothing was standard for working on town or on the trail. The Arizona Historic Society has 1 1/2 million photos of that era. This is common with the many other museums. The old photos illustrate the use of army surplus. An interesting video would be the evolution of army boots to cowboy boots and the same with army hats into cowboy hats. The popular cowboy hats with the curled up sides have nothing to do with historic hats' use for shade. The curled hats are rodeo hats which evolved by necessity as the expensive hats hit the ground and broke off during a riders' performance. The curled edges served as springs to make the hat bounce. That innovation became popular because early cowboy movie makers didn't know the difference and the actors were equally clueless.
People are still finding military items from soldiers going in an out of Ft. Whipple, San Carlos, etc! There’s still more lost or discarded items out there than you think! Great video! Tried signing up for Patreon but every time I do the bank locks down my card! I’ll send directory on PayPal
At the time everything was considered SCRAP, no one considered the historic importance, today tens of thousands of DOLLARS are paid for such artifacts, just think of how many unique and priceless items have been discarded and DESTROYED over time.
Hey santee just wanted to say that I really enjoyed this video and it is probably my favourite one you've made in the last couple months (all the others are great too but I really like this one) The editing is getting really good too.
Interesting episode, Santee! You’re pretty quiet in this one, are you feeling OK? Just an observation. I haven’t been in an Army/Navy surplus store in quite some time, but I always did find them interesting, with neat stuff. Your wife actually let you say your catchphrase!! 🎉🎉🎉
@@ArizonaGhostriders Honestly? Research sucks sometimes. The in depth stuff and the searching and searching to find things has always gotten to me lol. Thank you for the hard work! It’s always appreciated by me.
@@BJBlaskovichGaming You're welcome BJ. My favorite part is finding out something unexpected. Usually it's in the newspaper article right next to the one I'm researching.
Quench your thirst with the AGR logo on canteen and then ride your horse with the logo on the saddle those are not comfy to use...great topic and well done as well keep up your really enjoyable vids !!!!
santee loved the interview the other night. never would have found that channel without ya. Been watchin ya since we moved back to tucson almost 3 years ago now. love the old west as well as paranormal so if you really want to do a ghost hunt wife says sure.
Nice! I’ll never forget the first time I walked into a milsurp store... Didn’t leave with anything other than what we came for, but it was fun and very helpful in my adult years!
It could be claimed that the rifles that really "won the west" were also surplus. The Springfield Trapdoor rifle / carbine and the Remington rolling block. Unlike what hollywierd proclaims.
when grandpa was young he had a 'confederate gun' that had been bored out to 20 gauge smoothbore, he hunted everything from ducks to deer (and fish) with that old gun.....
Oh my goodness, all those "military grade" weapons put in the hands of civilians. Great episode as always Santee.
HA! Yes, to protect them from the hardships of the frontier.
Wasn’t the old west times of peace to?
But then a lot of places had restrictions on firearms.
@@kylethedalek Some towns didn't allow carrying of firearms . That was do to drunk and disorderly conduct, but that was a small segment of towns.
I have fond memories of the army navy stores. The owner was a avid wild west historian, he taught me some of the card games that were popular at the time. When he passed away, I was willed his pair of 1860 colt army revolvers, I still have them to this day.
Awesome!
That’s amazing, he knew you were the type to treasure and take care of something like that and I’m sure one day you’ll do the same
@@coldmountain1997 yup he's where my fascination with the old west comes from. I have no doubts that someone with the same enthusiasm will come around. Half the kids in my neighborhood know how to play faro, and five finger draw.
Military surplus is still full of surprises. Recently a couple bought a bunch of plastic shipping boxes from a military surplus online site. A couple of the boxes came filled with fully functional M16A2 rifles!
Whoah!!
I remember going to an army surplus store with my father when I was a kid, he wanted good warm gloves and I was concerned thinking only soldiers would be allowed to buy things from the store 😅
Me too!!
Never thought about this, another informative topic of the old west. Thanks Santee.
Glad you enjoyed it!
I knew that surplus came west but I'd never thought about the volume of surplus. The army kept and converted a number of Springfields and Colts but most of the conversation models were phased out by the 1870's add to that, the downsizing of the military, that is a tremendous amount of weapons and equipment available on the open market. That also explains why firearms manufacturers put out new models frequently in the later half of the 19th century. Thanks for making my gears turn! You folks do wonderful work on this channel!
1000s of rifles.
Always enjoy going to an Army-Navy store if I'm in the area. Don't think there are many left. Never thought of them supplying westward pilgrims, but should have. Thanks for opening my eyes. 😊
Sure thing!
The Army surplus store (and the way it smelled) is one of my favorite memories growing up--
My 12 year old son has gotten hooked on Airsoft battles and gear. I took him to our local surplus shop yesterday and he got a full set, jacket and pants, of woodland BDU's for just about $40! He's rockin' them on the Airsoft field today. I have always enjoyed the surplus stores and I'm passing the torch! 😁
Nice!
I used to live in Poughkeepsie, New York and would see Bannerman's castle near Beacon on my way to Manhattan on the train. I always wanted to visit the island, but not owning a boat made it a little tricky and so I never did. Here in Toronto, Canada there was a military surplus store up until about ten years ago. The differences in kit from American are fairly interesting.
Pretty cool. I"m pretty sure I saw it while driving along the Hudson years ago.
When I was a kid all my camping equipment came from the surplus store, most of that stuff would probably be worth money now.
Maybe.
I was floored when I heard that Old Tucson had closed. I was born in Tucson and I’ve been there dozens of times. I’m glad to hear it’s coming back.
Yep!
Ironically I have the very same memory growing up, Santee.
Sadly, Military Surplus stores in my neck of the woods have all but faded away.
Yep!
That’s really cool. My dad would take us all into the many military surplus stores around Tucson. There were many during and after the Vietnam war. I know, I just dated myself.
Still very cool!
Thank you Santee. The Army / Navy stores sure have changed, I loved the old ones too. Thanks again.
Right?
Another great episode! My favorite surplus store in Phoenix was on Bell rd after they paved Northern Phoenix. Long gone but the memories.
Interesting! I bet it was a cool one.
Omg a vid on surplus! I've always seen how some westerners were shown wearing military clothing and wondered why. Great video!
Glad you learned something!
Howdy y’all. I’m using my surplus this weekend on the homestead up here in the pine mountains of Prescott, AZ. The west is still pretty wild in places out here.
It is!
Great video Santee,
I had never realized how much of a role surplus military gear had played in the old west, but now that I think of it, it does make sense.
Military surplus stores were great when I was a kid, you could find all kinds of neat stuff to outfit your backyard camp with for cheap money. But sadly, nothing is cheap at military surplus stores now, they want top dollar for everything.
By the way, thanks for mentioning 11BangBang's channel, I subscribed to it.
JT
Much appreciated, JT. You'll like their channel. Good folks.
You can still get plenty of cheap surplus, at least online. You just can't get cheap AMERICAN surplus. If you're willing to purchase European gear instead a barging can still be found, and a lot of the time it's actually better than the American equivalent. The American surplus market, especially for items from Vietnam and older, is now dominated by collectors rather than people who want the stuff for practical use.
I grew up in the late 1950s in El Paso, Texas, home of Fort Bliss and Surplus Stores!!! French WW I bayonets $1, web belts $0.50, steel WW II canteens with cup and cover $1, combat boots $2, paratrooper boots $5, field mess kits $0.25... an endless, cheap, inexhaustible supply of Cool Stuff!
Yeah, which nowadays you can buy at gun shows as "collectibles" for a pretty penny.
Very cool gift. This is definitely a really great community.
It sure is
The US Army pretty much had sold off all of the CW Surplus by the 1880s so most of it went west with whomever needed it and could buy it. The first rule of a gunfight is to "have a gun". Also, even if it IS a cap-n'-ball wheelgun, it sure beats throwing rocks!
It sure does.
When my great grandfather immigrated from Hungary in 1888, he moved to the Wyoming territory. He bought in 1889 a presumably used Colt Richards Mason conversion pistol and Spencer Carbine. We still have the guns and Bill of sale.
Well, there ya go. You've got the history to prove it!
With you on the military surplus stores. They were mysterious and magical for a boy. Don't know why they went away.
Like cap guns and candy cigarettes, gone before their time...
yes.
Enjoyed this one too. I sure remember having fun in those army surplus stores.
Me too!
Great episode Santee! I still have a hard time driving past a surplus store.
Me too!
Great video, as always. My favorite surplus in the Old West period is definitely the old cap and ball revolvers converted to cartridges. I wish Red Dead Redemption II had put some of these in the game.
Nice
As the franchise goes backwards, RDR2 being a prequel, it would be cool if RDR3 went back to 1879 and a young Dutch starting out with cap and ball revolvers, working up to Peacemakers and Schofields.
@@bedeodempsey5007 That would be really cool. The reloading part would not be fun, time-wise, but the game will account for that.
We still use surplus stuff now. I’m going hunting in a few weeks and I have a mash of different surplus stuff.
I got my 1883 Uberti colt clone, and took it to the range yesterday. What fun! A few problems with my reloads, but I learned a little, and they’ll be perfect for my next trip in two weeks.
Good!
My grandfather and father were still using surplus horses tack in the 40's.
Up until a house fire in 2009 we still used a old mcqulen saddle as our braking saddle.
It could take a colt trying to roll on it if necessary.
And they used old army blankets as saddle pads. You could make the bars fit any horses good enough.
And if you sleep out less bed roll you needed.
Still have a surplus set of cutting spurs around here some where of dads.
But i would never put them on a horse myself. There to dammed sharp for me to use.
great info!!
In addition to legitimate surplus, there was also always the possibility of military clothing and gear making it into civilian hands by "falling off the back of the wagon" so the soldiers could make a few extra bucks.
I wouldn't doubt that.
Although it's not pertinent to the Old West, the Navy/Marine slang term for Stolen Gov't Property is '' Comshaw.'' Which sounds an awful lot like, which means 'Thank you very much,'' in Korean.
A Black Market in military ''surplus'' probably predates the Roman Legions.
What happened to the surplus? WOW, I never thought of that. This was very informative, and interesting, as always, Santee. Loved the videos, pics, and the heaping helpings of dry wit.🤗 You're the best.🤠👏👏👏👏
Much appreciated!!! 🤠
I loved this. I missed it Saturday as I was out hunting sage hens. So glad that they’re rebuilding Old Tucson Studios. I love that place.
Sage hens! Good eatin'?
@@ArizonaGhostriders ha. Well, they need lots of doctoring
Great piece of history Santee. Thanks for helping to keep the Old West alive.
You bet
Glad to hear you pronounce Schuyler correctly! It's a tough one if you're saying it without hearing it first.
Surplus stores aren't nearly as prevalent as they used to be, probably because of the change in how the military orders its supplies. Instead of ordering uniforms in the millions to mobilize a comparable number of new recruits, they order in batches as needed to cut down on waste (relatively, anyway). With less available, there's less for the stores to buy in bulk to resell. Also why there was a lot of Soviet equipment for a while (and some current Russian equipment until recently).
I mentioned the company a few years ago, and struggled with it in the video. Someone corrected me and I verified it. So, good to go!
Russian equipment will be available soon.
TBH, most of the 'soviet ' stuff was Eastern bloc, primarily German and Czech. The Russians held out until they modernized in the 90s. LOL, Bulgarian stuff didn't hit the market until the 2000s, and mainly in Europe.
Those old muskets did double duty as shotguns. The load known as buck and ball was popular and effective right through the Civil War.
...and not fun to get shot with!
Thank you for blanketing the video with all surplus. 😜🤪 Very interesting history, thanks for sharing 👍 😊!
LOL!
I went to the army surplus across from the base in fayetville. I got 2 fragmentation grenades, 200 black tip nato armor peirsing rounds and 800 .223 for my m16 rifle. The stinger were $2000 each and out of my price range as was the .50 cal machine gun.
Holy moly!
@@ArizonaGhostriders the southern stores seam to differ from the northern ones in content. Virginia was the same. Long on military guns and knifes,etc... short on clothes, pots, pans and compasses.
MIlitary surplus is as popular as ever in the "Bushcraft" genre. Packs, clothing, tents and not just U.S. but surplus for other countries as well.
🤠
here in England we used to have a paper magazine called Exchange and Mart and my granddad would buy loads of stuff from it and sell them on, it used to have loads of Military Surplus
SO neat!
@@ArizonaGhostriders it was, but now with Ebay, Amazon and others the magazine is long gone
@@tommo101ablesounds like Sears. It was the Amazon of its day and sold literally everything you could think of.
I really wish some of those surplus programs were still in effect. I could use a HMMWV. Best of Days to all the Ghostriders.
Thank You!
Great video! Thanks for all that you do to help preserve out history.
Our pleasure!
Your part of my Saturday morning routine and I still have my great grandpa's musket from the civil war he brought home with him
That is super cool. Keep it in the family always!
@@ArizonaGhostriders I sure will good sir
Oh, for a time machine, and the correct period currency to go on a shopping spree at Bannermans'!
WOuldn't that be awesome?
here in England we had a chain of stores called army and navy stores, boots clothes uniforms, that kind of stuff, never any arms of course .
Kind of the same idea here. Never any arms.
I was always fascinated by Army -Navy- Surplus stores as a kid especially the barrels of rifles before The GCA of 1968.. it was so interesting.
Cool!
3:29 The Royal Dansk tins of the day
Right!
Visited our Army -Navy surplus many times. Sometimes only place Dad could find 30-40 Krag ammo.
CooL!
Always enjoy watching!
Thank You!
I miss the old military surplus stores...
Yes. Still some around.
Hey Santee good to see you. Great content!!
Hey hey!
Gotta love Blazing Saddles!!
Yes
Terrific job Santee.🙏
Thank You!
Another awesome one Santee! Keep on rocking it! Lol. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
🤠🤠🤠 Thank You!
As always great video! My grandfather would have loved your videos. He was a avid cowtown cowboy shooter. "Chino McGrew"
Cool!!
I always appreciate the content it's become part of my Saturday morning ritual.
Many thanks!
One interesting fact is confederate gear was still for sale on the surplus market well into the 20th century. All the uniforms used in birth of a nation where orinals and i didn't known that till i asked a history sub reddit. Pretty interesting that there was enough gear in southern depots at the end of the war that 50+ years later it was still on the market cheap.
Yup!
I'd love to have some of those surplus weapons now. great video my friend.
Yeah, in museums mostly.
I’ve been having the same trouble with my mess kit, and decided based either on one of yours or townsends videos that a bone/horn spoon would be an appropriate fit.
It would be!
Getting a decent surplus Navy revolver cheap would have really beat having a single shot.
Oh yeah.
Another great video Santee.
Thanks!
Great video Santee!! Always enjoy them!!
Thanks again!
I love surplus stores. Got a place called Delk's somewhat near me. They have a lot. Clothes, equipment, tools, Huey helicopter shells, generators. I got an east German entrenching tool cheap. They have lots of American ones even cheaper.
Cool!
Awesome video thanks for sharing 👍😊
Thank You!
There is a house in Georgetown, NW Washington, DC that has a step hand railing made from discontinued .36 cal. rifle barrels.
Interesting!!
Great episode Santee. It is always interesting to see what was used from the Civil War at a later date. I have an original knapsack that came from Bannermans. I know he got pretty much the entire run of Rogers and Spencer revolvers but I don't think they made it West and were sold around 1900. Keep up the great videos!
Interesting!! I would love to see that one day.
@@ArizonaGhostriders There are a few videos on youtube about those Rogers & Spencer wheelguns. I think Bannermns got a hold of the last 5000, like Mr. Timothy Koehn informs us, after the US Government used less than a thousand of the guns at the very end of the Civil War. Interesting that as late as 1900 such percussion revolvers would still be marketable, probably as budget guns. Would look forward to a Ghostriders review ! "The West" will never end.
We used to have a surplus store in the little town I live in. I had only been in it a couple of times before it was turned into a fruit and vegetables store. They didn't have much inventory sad to say...but I do like going into them and checking things out 🤠🌵
Right? Fun stuff.
Great video as always Santee!
Glad you enjoyed it!
This supports the truth, that it wasn't the expensive lever action, the Colt single actio revolver that "won" the west. They only made the News that easterners wanted to read - about outlaws and gunfights - which were much more rare than Hollywood portrays. The guns the both won and settled the west were these surplus guns - mostly rifled muskets, that when they were rotted out, were reamed smooth and became the household game getter - the shotgun. My neighbor had two of them when we were kids. One still had the bayonet rusted onto the muzzle. Smooth bore springfields. I remember still being able to just make out the rifling because the boring out wasn't the best job. Solid minie' balls became hard to get out west, so shotguns were the norm. Much more common than any lever action combined.
Thanks for commenting.. We know that guns did not win the West, be they surplus or not. It is a fact that a lot of documented gun battles occured with the famous Colt SAA and lever actions. It also wasn't uncommon to see a surplus rifle or pistol in the mix. Shotguns were in that mix, too.
An important episode not dealt with elsewhere. Army surplus boots and clothing was standard for working on town or on the trail. The Arizona Historic Society has 1 1/2 million photos of that era. This is common with the many other museums. The old photos illustrate the use of army surplus. An interesting video would be the evolution of army boots to cowboy boots and the same with army hats into cowboy hats. The popular cowboy hats with the curled up sides have nothing to do with historic hats' use for shade. The curled hats are rodeo hats which evolved by necessity as the expensive hats hit the ground and broke off during a riders' performance. The curled edges served as springs to make the hat bounce. That innovation became popular because early cowboy movie makers didn't know the difference and the actors were equally clueless.
Interesting hat story!
Another great one head honcho ! Thanks amigo.
My pleasure!!
Good one Mr Santee
Thank You!
Great video on an interesting subject.
Be safe out there, and take it easy man.
Thank You!
Great video Santee
Thank You!
It's lovely I didn't know you knew how to accessorize so well. Your such a dandy.
I can be, it seems.
Wish we had more surplus stores in Louisiana.
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we had an Army surplus store in my home town that was more fun then to visit the Disney World
HAhahaa!
People are still finding military items from soldiers going in an out of Ft. Whipple, San Carlos, etc! There’s still more lost or discarded items out there than you think! Great video! Tried signing up for Patreon but every time I do the bank locks down my card! I’ll send directory on PayPal
Very thoughtful of you. Thanks! Now I want to look for surplus!
@@ArizonaGhostriders get a map of the old trails for troops heading to different areas! Take a metal detector you’ll find stuff
Thx for the video. IMO a smooth bore musket would be more useful for settlers then a rifle
With some situations, a mountain howitzer woulda been better!
Remember Yard Birds in Centralia WA?
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Dang son...you're 2 shakes of a cat's tail from 100k subscribers. Time to start planning a "square dance"!!!
Yeehaw!
If I recall correctly, Bannerman did supply a number of armies. By which I mean militias, and home guard units
Yep.
They also supplied some militaries in Latin America iirc.
@@baneofbanes It would not surprise me.
Lol hey I seen that guy at the end somewhere
Yeah!! Sorry I left out a "T" in your name, amigo.
Love tha T Rex in all the videos ❗️❗️🦖
Thank You!
At the time everything was considered SCRAP, no one considered the historic importance, today tens of thousands of DOLLARS are paid for such artifacts, just think of how many unique and priceless items have been discarded and DESTROYED over time.
True. I bet that they collected items from the revolutionary war, though. Treated them like highly sought after collectibles.
Used to walk miles to get to an army Navy store for our camping supplies.
Sampled k or c rations even.
Mmmm, yummy!
@@ArizonaGhostriders It made me respect the greatest generation. To live on them for months in a jungle someplace was quite a sacrifice.
Hey santee just wanted to say that I really enjoyed this video and it is probably my favourite one you've made in the last couple months (all the others are great too but I really like this one) The editing is getting really good too.
Thank You!
Interesting episode, Santee! You’re pretty quiet in this one, are you feeling OK? Just an observation. I haven’t been in an Army/Navy surplus store in quite some time, but I always did find them interesting, with neat stuff. Your wife actually let you say your catchphrase!! 🎉🎉🎉
All good, thanks. This was a tough episode for me and the research was tiring. Maybe you just hear "tired" LOL!
@@ArizonaGhostriders Honestly? Research sucks sometimes. The in depth stuff and the searching and searching to find things has always gotten to me lol. Thank you for the hard work! It’s always appreciated by me.
@@BJBlaskovichGaming You're welcome BJ. My favorite part is finding out something unexpected. Usually it's in the newspaper article right next to the one I'm researching.
@@ArizonaGhostriders Ain’t that the luck?
Another day another great episode santee
Thanks.
Great Video.
Thanks!
You get to see alot of western history that so kool
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Quench your thirst with the AGR logo on canteen and then ride your horse with the logo on the saddle those are not comfy to use...great topic and well done as well keep up your really enjoyable vids !!!!
Thanks for watching!!
Lol when I got out of the army I sold all the gear I didn't have to turn back in. A little past the time of the old west though 😂.
wee bit!
Good morning folks. Headed out to Prescott to see the family. Got to spit shine my shotgun boots. Will make sure to stop by The Palace.
Cool!
santee loved the interview the other night. never would have found that channel without ya. Been watchin ya since we moved back to tucson almost 3 years ago now. love the old west as well as paranormal so if you really want to do a ghost hunt wife says sure.
I would like that one day!!
I miss the dramatic "pew-pew" ending.
It just seems like a cheap Chinese knock-off without the pew-pew...
HA!
Century Arms is still in business today
Since 1961
Nice! I’ll never forget the first time I walked into a milsurp store... Didn’t leave with anything other than what we came for, but it was fun and very helpful in my adult years!
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It could be claimed that the rifles that really "won the west" were also surplus. The Springfield Trapdoor rifle / carbine and the Remington rolling block. Unlike what hollywierd proclaims.
Some, but the lever actions were carried by lotsa lawdogs and outlaws.
Does The head honcho ride horse? Great vid as Always thanks Santee
Yes, I do. I also fall off of them at times.
@@ArizonaGhostriders cool ive never fallen of them Although i just started riding like 6 months ago😁
@@Edwinthemountainman8454 Enjoy it!
when grandpa was young he had a 'confederate gun' that had been bored out to 20 gauge smoothbore, he hunted everything from ducks to deer (and fish) with that old gun.....
that would have been just before WW1
That's pretty neat!
Hey Santee, have ya done one on hand crank phonographs and hand crank picture machines?
Not yet.