Ep. 063 - How Bullets are Made

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  • Опубликовано: 23 дек 2024

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  • @papaswoodshop4873
    @papaswoodshop4873 Год назад +60

    Please do a shop tour. I think that would be interesting to a lot of people. You don't have to show us any of your super secret processes.😉

    • @dr.froghopper6711
      @dr.froghopper6711 Год назад +1

      Yes they do!

    • @johnelliott7375
      @johnelliott7375 Год назад

      ​@@dr.froghopper6711 you have a better chance of seeing God.

    • @punisher7ish
      @punisher7ish Год назад +1

      @@johnelliott7375 well, seeing God is a 100% certainty, so let's see that secret stuff!

    • @shinrapresident7010
      @shinrapresident7010 Год назад +2

      @@punisher7ish ''101% of all statistics are pulled out the speakers rear to fit their narrative'' - Benjamin Franklin.

  • @kdhag99
    @kdhag99 Год назад +7

    Love the pod and especially love Mr. Timmerman's skillfully placed "Leftist Tears" tumbler!! A+

  • @devrinmg
    @devrinmg Год назад +14

    This has to be one of my favorite episodes and Seth is doing an amazing job with these podcasts. Appreciate the resources put into making these 🇺🇸

  • @derekedgley5074
    @derekedgley5074 Год назад +4

    What a great video and nothing but respect engendered listening to John and Mike so humble and unassuming but obviously a very integral part in the manufacturing process and well-being of the company going forward. At nearly 80, reloading since 69, 17 REM to 460 I learned so much today, just awesome podcast. Look forward to more.

    • @hornady
      @hornady  Год назад

      Thank you so much!

  • @wesleymagill4993
    @wesleymagill4993 Год назад +11

    I want to thank the hornady team. i just switched to the hornady outfitter cx 165gr for my 308. I went form 1.5-2 MOA at 300+ yds to sub MOA. previously I was shooting big name brand ammo and noticed one day that the cantaluers, projectile to projectile, weren't in the same place. also they weren't seated the same. in a box of 20, i could visually identify different seating depths and cantaluer groove placement. i switched over to the cx line and by the end of my tune up session i was stacking bug holes at 330yds (where i like to hunt).

  • @sniperkwg
    @sniperkwg Год назад +5

    You guys remember a guy named Mike Hester? He was a machinist there in the 90's that we (National Guard Marksmanship Training Center) stole from you guys. Taught me a lot about ballistics.

  • @jaimebarrera8978
    @jaimebarrera8978 Год назад +3

    Hearing the stories of John and Mike, the work they do what they have done its amazing! At the end of the video when they are talking about their favorite bullet and how grateful they are to be there and I could hear the emotion in their voice it brought me to tears because it is amazing that these men have given so much to this company and yet still feel valued and appreciated. Mike and John if you ever read this message I can assure you that you gents are truly classy gents and thank you for all the hard work and dedication you have put into your craft. I was 6 years old when you all decided to change the world haha. Thank you Hornady for taking care of those employees that have been there for that long and for showing them that you really care and that they are valued as PEOPLE not just employees. As a 46 year old retired vet, graduate of SDI and avid shooting competitor and outdoors man I am forever grateful to John and Mike, hope to meet you gents one day and personally shake your hand and say thank you for helping me to win a few competitions. Be well, be blessed, be awesome.

    • @hornady
      @hornady  Год назад +2

      Thank you so much for this. We really wanted folks to see this side of it as well.

  • @georgedreisch2662
    @georgedreisch2662 Год назад +2

    Fascinating stuff!
    Definitely need a shop / process tour, especially, the QC.
    Thanks for sharing.

  • @jeffreywilson690
    @jeffreywilson690 Год назад +2

    One thang I like about Hornady, they sell their blems to midway❤

  • @davecollins6113
    @davecollins6113 Год назад +2

    Questions in my mind, one was about seating the core and expanding it into the jacket, was about some form of explanation of getting air out of the cup when doing it, a bullet like the Interlock could be tricky. The other would be lead blends for the cores and how much they vary, or don't. Are you using harder and softer blends for particular bullets and weights?

  • @timblack6422
    @timblack6422 Год назад +1

    Another outstanding presentation of the awesome people that make some of the best bullets made

  • @burtonurnie4961
    @burtonurnie4961 Год назад +4

    I 2nd the shop tour and up you to start making primers.

  • @kssgcasper797
    @kssgcasper797 Год назад +2

    Seth thanks for having these guys give their history with Hornady, I always love learning what it was like years ago compared to now there as well as what has changed in the industry in even a short time such as your start more recently.

  • @ShootingAndReloading
    @ShootingAndReloading Год назад +4

    Thank you Mike and John - you've given me some amazing days with your product :)

    • @hornady
      @hornady  Год назад

      Great to hear!

    • @craigfinley2507
      @craigfinley2507 Год назад

      ​​@@hornady Sir I have a all steel gun old model 732 H&R chambered in 32 S&W long can I shoot any bullet as long as it is S&W long , can I shoot any Hornady round as long as it is in S&W long 32. Regardless of grain. Please get back

    • @craigfinley2507
      @craigfinley2507 Год назад

      ​@@hornady why don't they make most bullets all lead anymore, now they jacket most rounds can you explain please. I'm learning

  • @jameswatson4110
    @jameswatson4110 Год назад +3

    This was just great listening and learning for me thank you guys!

  • @buddyeast1928
    @buddyeast1928 Год назад +6

    Has Hornady considered making primers?

  • @sinc96
    @sinc96 Год назад +2

    Awesome stuff guys.
    I just started shooting and now reloading for .223, 22 hornet and now 30-30.
    And use hornady in allof it from 40gr for hornet to 80gr for 223 and the new flex tip for the 30-30 is amazing.
    But why no 22lr?

  • @theoriginalDAL357
    @theoriginalDAL357 Год назад +6

    I mainly shoot Hornady bullets, specifically, Interlocks. They're reasonably priced and accurate. Now, if some 6ARC brass brass would start showing up at the retailers I frequent, all would be right with the world (a bit of hyperbole there, but you get the sentiment).

  • @yukon4545
    @yukon4545 Год назад +3

    One of the best! Good job you guys!

  • @SSGreloader
    @SSGreloader Год назад +1

    I fell in love with swaging my own projectiles. Started off with making .224 from expenses 22lr hulls on a Lee press and just kept adding more and more calibers and jacket does. I have various hand presses from Corbin as well as his Hydro press. This podcast just hits home for me. Compared to my little home shop of equipped, I'd absolutely love to get to to see their process and equipment in person. Hearing their tooling automation process sounds like an amazing sight to see for someone like me. People can keep their beach or Disney vacations, I'd gladly take a vacation to see this facility instead.

  • @thunderrolls007
    @thunderrolls007 7 месяцев назад +1

    Yall do good work. Thanks. When I first started hunting and shooting I had no idea a rifle like my 3006 would shoot so different…accurate or not . After shooting many boxes of different weight and brands. The horady higher velocity was it. So I have stuck with it for 20 years. Thanks

  • @tonybarnes5309
    @tonybarnes5309 Год назад +2

    I will agree, Hornady is kicking ass in Bullets today. I was thinking back to 1996 that I was shooting Nosler partitions and ballistic tip. Today, I am shooting Hornady. Great video. I was measuring the bullet diameter on .308 180gr SP & BTSP interlock figuring out what bump bushing to run at 6 am this morning. And now I know why their is a difference from lot# to lot#. Thanks for the information

  • @fattigla
    @fattigla Год назад

    Great podcast! Its awesome that Hornady is willing to take the time to put this info together for us.

    • @hornady
      @hornady  Год назад

      Thanks for listening

  • @LarryGenePate
    @LarryGenePate Месяц назад

    Great video guys! Thanks!!

  • @gregmastriano4194
    @gregmastriano4194 Год назад

    Ever consider taking the pod cast into the shop so we can actually see what is being discussed.
    Great information, but not easy to understand without seeing it happen
    Thanks
    Greg

  • @bpm990d
    @bpm990d Год назад +3

    You guys are doing great things. Very impressed with the .224 ELDm bullets. They perform very well in my service rifle. Gonna try the A-Tips this year as well.

    • @hornady
      @hornady  Год назад

      Awesome! We appreciate it!

  • @patrickgeorge310
    @patrickgeorge310 Год назад +6

    When is Hornady going to step up their game and sell PRIMERS!

  • @Drakehilt
    @Drakehilt Год назад +4

    I'm hoping yall have some jobs available in the plc programming or electrical trouble shooting areas of production once I get out of the navy in a couple years. I'd love to work for Hornady utilizing the knowledge I've gained in the navy

  • @williamsweet7511
    @williamsweet7511 Год назад +1

    Very interesting conversation on how bullets are made and how they work. My limited understanding, mostly from the internet is that bullet manufactures buy primers and powder which often limits production of ammunition. Do you guys think Hornady will ever make those two items to help avoid shortages in the future? Another question I have is government contracts on ammunition. Whether military or three letter agency, it seems to mess with the publics ability to obtain ammo. Does Hornady make ammo for the government and does this really conflict with the general publics ability to obtain ammunition?

  • @stephenparchewski1998
    @stephenparchewski1998 Год назад +1

    Great video. Now, I am a fan of the vmax bullet and have shot many through a .223 rem. What would be nice to see is a version of the vmax bullet that has a slightly thicker copper jacket towards the heel of the bullet, similar to the Nosler Ballistic Tip Varmint. Not sure if Hornady is taking requests through youtube comments, but for what it’s worth, it’s something that I think would be a good addition to the Hornady lineup of bullets.

  • @hkhunter1
    @hkhunter1 Год назад +3

    I really like the Hornady Black Match 168-175.

  • @WillMartin-hw2uh
    @WillMartin-hw2uh Год назад +1

    When Johnny is sorting components by weight, what tolerance does he use for ordering bullets and cases into groups? I measure each powder charge but have not segregated the components. Bullet manufacturing podcast was really interesting. Would love to tour your factory some day.

  • @jfess1911
    @jfess1911 Год назад

    At about 45:25 he said "to shoot somewhere in the 40% range". I can't figure out exactly what they are talking about. 40% of what?
    Thanks

  • @hoosierplowboy5299
    @hoosierplowboy5299 Год назад

    Excellent video! Loaded a lot of Hornady .223 and 30 cal back in the '80's. Carry your CD in .380 and 9mm...😊

    • @hornady
      @hornady  Год назад

      Thanks for watching!

  • @NTCeramicCoating
    @NTCeramicCoating Год назад +2

    Factory tour!

  • @lukkar69
    @lukkar69 Год назад +1

    I always enjoyed shooting against Team Hornady in 1000 BR. Especially John.

  • @PeterMinearo
    @PeterMinearo Год назад

    Great video! Very interesting to hear about how a bullet is made. Would have been great to have visuals with the discussion, but understand there is proprietary information you do not want to show. Listening to what was said about 57 minutes into the video about being frustrated because there is a problem, it reminds me of a saying in the software world, "The longer the debugging of an issue is inversely proportional to complexity of the fix".

  • @daveknowles3055
    @daveknowles3055 Год назад +1

    another great show, I managed to resize some brass while listening, now if only I could find some large rifle primers up here in Canada life would be good. Keep up the good work.

    • @hornady
      @hornady  Год назад

      Thank you!

    • @jaimebarrera8978
      @jaimebarrera8978 Год назад

      Dave can you order them online from the states?

    • @daveknowles3055
      @daveknowles3055 Год назад +1

      @@jaimebarrera8978 unfortunately they can not ship to Canada. If I drive down (long trip for me) I can do some paperwork and bring some back, might end up doing that if we don't get some soon.

    • @14goldmedals
      @14goldmedals Год назад

      Dave Knowles, I'm a Canuck too and feel your pain. I did luck out and a guy sold me 6400 Federal small rifle GMM primers. He bought them to use in his IPSC pistol to make Major Power

    • @14goldmedals
      @14goldmedals Год назад

      Dang it I hit the Reply button too soon. Those small rifle GMM primers cost me $400. Now I'm seeing guys selling large rifle primers on gunnutz for upto $500 per 1000! Insane price gouging.
      I'm going to use those small rifle primers in my Lapua 308 Win Palma brass. Like I said I lucked out buying these match primers just before Covid.

  • @robertfree1908
    @robertfree1908 Год назад

    I greatly appreciate this video. I’ve been handloading since ‘93 and Hornady has been part of my journey every step of the way. My greatest loves are the XTP, SST and, especially, the InterLock. The latter doesn’t get the attention it used to what with all the new shooters/handloaders, hurting it’s sales. Many of them have been discontinued. I truly miss the the .430” 265gr FP, the .321” 170gr FP, .358” 250gr RN. I hope they, and others, make a return someday. Something I would like to see in the XTP line would be lighter constructed bullets for the lower velocities of 40 S&W, 38 SPL, 44 SPL and others. Nothing fancy like expensive FlexTips. Just XTPs constructed a little different. A slight weight change to denote a difference from the mainline bullet maybe. I digress.
    It was great hearing some of the history of your company. I’m looking forward to the next

  • @oceandmike
    @oceandmike Год назад

    Great content! Thank you.

  • @jjgriffin3275
    @jjgriffin3275 Год назад +1

    great video, sounds very comjplicated, but what i have to say is that in a box of 50 or 100 bullets, the grain weight variance can be up to a full grain difference. that makes it very difficult for accuracy when the bullets weight vary so much. as well as bullets length vary as well so OAL of the cartridge varies

  • @jerrymarshall2728
    @jerrymarshall2728 Год назад +1

    The majority of the bullets I shoot (handgun and rifle) are Hornady. Decently priced accurate projectiles! In fact, every handgun caliber 9mm, 38/357, 45acp and 45LC) are all loaded with the XTP bullets. I trust my life to the tried and true XTP! Love the ELDM and wish I could find SSTs again. The 150gr .308 SP Interlocks have put meat on the table for decades!

  • @Hummingbyrd99
    @Hummingbyrd99 Год назад +1

    How can I go about finding your nickel plated 257 Weatherby brass?

  • @stephenludlow5635
    @stephenludlow5635 Год назад

    Hi guys really appreciate all your hard work, fantastic products been using for several years now having problems purchasing your hunting bullets in 65 over here in the uk most dealers can't get them can you shed any light on this on my last 100 heads 😢

  • @nevadacoyote
    @nevadacoyote Год назад +1

    I know you guys make 17 hmr an 22 win rimfire ammo but have you considered doing 22 LR ammo?

  • @kenmcvie6350
    @kenmcvie6350 Год назад +1

    I have one of those Sharp calculators, & it still works well also!

  • @jfess1911
    @jfess1911 Год назад +1

    What are the common issues that would make a bullet be sold as "blemished". Accuracy, diameter, weight?
    Thanks

  • @JaKeSwObO9
    @JaKeSwObO9 Год назад +1

    I love Mike’s ‘Leftist Tears / Daily Wire’ thermos!

  • @cbhirsch
    @cbhirsch Год назад

    Love the coffee mug : )

  • @Moe_69
    @Moe_69 Год назад +1

    I shoot a lot of hornady . 22-250 and 6.5 and it’s the most consistent factory ammo I’ve used…. In those calibers anyway. Ahhh and .17 cal too.. they do a good job in my opinion.

  • @firee2
    @firee2 Год назад

    Thanks for this one. Let them go back to making those bullets. I am in need of the 6mm 108gr eld-m
    Keep up the great work

    • @hornady
      @hornady  Год назад

      Lol, they're getting after it right now.

  • @eloiseharbeson2483
    @eloiseharbeson2483 Год назад

    I'm really liking the Hornady 255gr subsonic 7.62x39. Think I saw one of those pills in the thumbnail. But I need to start reloading. Buck and a quarter per round is a bit much for plinking.

  • @michaelkaylor6770
    @michaelkaylor6770 Год назад

    375, can we get some Outfitter in 250-275 CX?

  • @coltcomphbar
    @coltcomphbar Год назад +3

    So much respect for these men.

  • @tacticalrabbit308
    @tacticalrabbit308 Год назад

    Does you 4DOF app work on Android phones and work with Barnes TTSX bullets?

    • @hornady
      @hornady  Год назад

      It does work on Android, but the library does not have those bullets at this time. You might give our CX bullets a try. They are in the library and we think you will like them.

  • @JohnG975
    @JohnG975 Год назад

    You make a 155g ELD-M in .308 any plans to make a 150g weight range ELD-X? If not why?

  • @timferguson593
    @timferguson593 Год назад

    Core jacket separation was solved decades ago with the interlock design. The only bullet for hunting you will ever need.

  • @RobertSmith-xy8ti
    @RobertSmith-xy8ti Год назад

    How about a podcast talking about the ELDX constitution and use on game? Is it good for high shoulder shots?

  • @jaredresh444
    @jaredresh444 Год назад

    I would love to see a video showing how the bullets are made. A walk through the factory and a step by step of how a bullet is made n

  • @chrisaumaugher3732
    @chrisaumaugher3732 Год назад

    I love the show - However, I am disappointed in the lack of graphics during your discussions. I understand the difficulty of predicting the progression of the conversation, but even an eraser board would help!

  • @bobbyt1shot224
    @bobbyt1shot224 Год назад

    Seth I'm just a good old Boy truck Driver that hunt in the deep woods of northern Minnesota and Wisconsin I don't understand much of what you Guys are talking about BUT... I KNOW ONE THING AS FACT... I CAN HIT A DIME AT 100 YARDS.. A QUARTER AT 200 YARDS ... THATS WHY I LOVE MY HORNADYS ..ONLY AMMO I USE...NOW I KNOW WHY... LUV YA..

  • @thomaswall4285
    @thomaswall4285 Год назад

    Hello Gentlemen, Some of us are eager to learn but some of us do not know the meaning of cups...or other basic components of the bullit. Please advise a podcast that is bullits 101. Thanks, T

  • @louwgreeff4195
    @louwgreeff4195 Год назад

    So am I the only one that is thinking about this? when do we get to see what happens behind the walls, do us a production video for all the components from start to finish so we can see the machines, the quality control and the operators doing all the good work. PS I know this will be a the highest viewed podcast ever, so if you wondering what I would like for Christmas, my flavor is 250Grain A-tip .30cal. 🤣

  • @OGBRADASS
    @OGBRADASS Год назад

    Great coffee cup!

  • @warrengreen3217
    @warrengreen3217 Год назад +2

    They need to make primers so we can actually reload their bullet

  • @michaelmeyers1827
    @michaelmeyers1827 Год назад

    I got 10 boxes of 22-250 v Maxs years-ago and that shot phenomenal in my ruger

  • @Bruno82493
    @Bruno82493 Год назад

    I use 143gr ELD-X for hunting and 140gr ELD-m for target shooting ( just because the eld-x is a bit scarce) and 140gr SST for varmint hunting they make a nice hole at close range. All of them are extremely easy to get a load for in my Tikka tact A1 in 6.5 CM. My favourite is the ELD-X 143gr

    • @hornady
      @hornady  Год назад

      Awesome. Thank you!

  • @keithplymale2374
    @keithplymale2374 Год назад

    I chose to carry Hornady Critical Defense (standard pressure) in .38 .spl, .357 Magnum and 9 mm and will when I start carrying my Bursa .380 use that round. I adopted there round after seeing the testing Paul Harrell did several years ago now of several manufactures hollow points in calibers from .380 up and barrel lengths from 2 inches on out. The ONLY round that ALWAYS opened up and NEVER over penetrated was the Hornady Critical Defense.

  • @trentsnaza3372
    @trentsnaza3372 Год назад

    Open up a plant up here in Sioux Falls and I'll quit my current job and come work for Hornady

  • @REDNECKROOTS
    @REDNECKROOTS Год назад

    I love this shit. We live in some great times for bullet tech. Hornady is leading the pak

    • @hornady
      @hornady  Год назад +1

      Thank you!

    • @REDNECKROOTS
      @REDNECKROOTS Год назад

      @@hornady np. thank you. I Just got sum .308 cx outfitter to try this coming wt deer season. I usually use p-hunter eldx. But Wana go lead free . I'm sure they will be awesome.

  • @vtecsux1
    @vtecsux1 Год назад

    Need more in New Zealand.

  • @theoutdoorsmantimg3450
    @theoutdoorsmantimg3450 Год назад

    How are bonded bullets made?

  • @jasonrad9332
    @jasonrad9332 Год назад

    Great info!

    • @hornady
      @hornady  Год назад +1

      Glad you think so!

  • @stevedevine4237
    @stevedevine4237 Год назад +1

    Where are the all copper bullets being made?

  • @johnelliott7375
    @johnelliott7375 Год назад

    Congratulations on your 10 year tenure.

  • @kilekinney253
    @kilekinney253 Год назад

    how does hornady brass compare to Lapua brass

    • @14goldmedals
      @14goldmedals Год назад +1

      Kile, there's a reason why about 90% of F-Class and F/TR hand loaders use Lapua brass. Simply it's the best and most uniform brass made.

  • @stardust6066
    @stardust6066 Год назад

    We are being dragged down a dark hole we’ll all be buggered soon

  • @dhump59
    @dhump59 Год назад

    A picture book of everything you guys were talking about would make a better understanding of your conversation.

  • @lennybates1368
    @lennybates1368 Год назад

    Love the Mug! 😢😂

  • @rappmasterdugg6825
    @rappmasterdugg6825 Год назад

    Go Big Red!

  • @jeffreywilson690
    @jeffreywilson690 Год назад

    285 grain eldm out of a 338/06 is a good deer bullet

  • @toddwright7358
    @toddwright7358 Год назад

    So if the bullet fails the test after say 50k has been ran how does the consumer of that lot know or do they?

  • @coganhagen01
    @coganhagen01 Год назад

    Yall hiring 👀

  • @champion_soap_eater
    @champion_soap_eater Год назад +1

    🤩🤩🤩

  • @DanL243
    @DanL243 Год назад

    Make 6mm ARC brass for us so we can shoot more of these bullets.

  • @twwtb
    @twwtb Год назад

    I know a podcast is essentially audio, but since these are being presented on video, they would benefit greatly by cutting in appropriate images or videos.

  • @ethanfullerton507
    @ethanfullerton507 Год назад +1

    Make a 25-6.5 PRC please 😂

  • @littlehills739
    @littlehills739 Год назад

    little misleading
    Ep. 063 - How Bullets are Made --- podcast would be right

  • @kilekinney253
    @kilekinney253 Год назад

    need video on actually making bullets

  • @warrengreen3217
    @warrengreen3217 Год назад

    All hornady did was copy Winchesters sliver tip to make their A-tip wish they would put the interlock ring in the A-tip so we could use it as a hunting bullet the Winchester sliver tip was a great hunting round dont know why they stopped making it

  • @levigapter8795
    @levigapter8795 Год назад +1

    I spy a leftist tears tumbler! Guaranteed to make your drinks taste better haha

  • @TheGreatDaneR
    @TheGreatDaneR Год назад

    Love the leftist tears mug! 😅

  • @aaronzahorik8084
    @aaronzahorik8084 Год назад

    Great podcast right up till the point you started ripping on your competitors. While your match bullets maybe the best, your hunting bullets are complete garbage. In sales, if you’re ripping on the competition your product can compete.

  • @finallyfriday.
    @finallyfriday. Год назад

    "30 boo boo" ?? Wtf? Why tape this if you forget there's an audience? Talk so listeners can follow and learn.

  • @tallyman15
    @tallyman15 Год назад +1

    Good interview but Berger makes better target bullet.

  • @roberteves2835
    @roberteves2835 Год назад

    Fascinating ….. but I still don’t understand how bullets are made from your presentation.
    Very Disappointed
    How about some graphics

  • @guloguloguy
    @guloguloguy Год назад

    ....YOU REALLY SHOULD HAVE "SHOWN" PHOTOS"/VIDEOS" OF THE MACHINERY, AND THE STEP BY STEP PROCESS"!!!... [TOO MUCH CHITTER-CHATTER HERE!!]...

  • @anthonywychock3449
    @anthonywychock3449 Год назад

    Rename this (talking)about how bullets are made. Without pics or video clips this is a very very boring video. Interesting but boring.

  • @vanyadavydov2403
    @vanyadavydov2403 10 месяцев назад

    Bunch of bla bla bla

  • @danmil1872
    @danmil1872 Год назад +1

    the more i hear you guys talk the more i buy berger bullets you definitely do NOT make the best bullets good bullets yes the a tips are not the most concentric bullets on the market either just work on being less full of your self

    • @mikevorthman7336
      @mikevorthman7336 Год назад

      Totally nailed that.

    • @danmil1872
      @danmil1872 Год назад

      Let me be clear I don’t dislike your product I dislike like contradicting condescending nature of your arguments I shoot use Hornady projectiles however, I use your projectiles when I don’t wanna spend 20$ more on a better bullet when I don’t necessarily need that I don’t need the 140 gr hybrid Berger 10 shoot 1k but it is more consistent that’s for sure so my argument is not just me hating on you guys out right

    • @danmil1872
      @danmil1872 Год назад

      However I do appreciate the 30 cal 208 bthp that came in my 75 gr 223 box that was a nice surprise