Do Minnesota Vikings already have a trade-in place before the NFL Draft starts?!
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- Опубликовано: 17 апр 2024
- It’s a Thorsday on Purple Daily! Do the Minnesota Vikings have a trade-in place before the NFL Draft starts; If Jayden Daniels is off the board, who is the next QB they prefer and what are the pros and cons with JJ McCarthy and Drake Maye; Draft evaluations from previous years and more on Purple Daily!
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Im a Bills fan through and through, but Ive always had a soft spot for the Vikings. Something endearing about smaller market northern teams (that aren't the Packers). I consider Minny my NFC team, so hoping they hit gold on this draft and get their franchise QB. Good luck to all you die hard Vikings fans!
Find someone to love you like Thor loves McCarthy ❤
It would be more understandable if McCarthy was the next Andrew Luck or something, but it's almost disturbing how much he's simping for McCarthy.
@@purplepainforums Especially disturbing considering Thor's background... of having Malik Willis as player 1, on his final 2022 big board.
Word
Any advice?
McCarthy is the best QB in this draft. You will see.
Thor getting more defensive the more he turns into a typical "draft dude"
I'll be at the draft in Detroit! SKOL
Me as well
Same here, inner circle baby!
Represent
Supposedly the Pats brought in Pennix jr last minute for a workout/meeting...wonder if they are assuming moving back?
Great point
Just smoke.
Doing due diligence
Not sure why the would create smoke since they’re in the drivers seat for Maye (or McC)
No matter what we do next week, portions of this fanbase will shit on it. People been calling for us to trade up and get a QB for years, now half the fans don't want us to move up when we're in a decent position to do so. This is the best chance we've had in years to go get our franchise QB (and the guy KOC wants) and now people want us to stay at 11 and take the 5th or 6th guy.
You 💯 percent correct. It is done right laughable the BS excuses some of these fans make.
Agree totally. Short of trading a 7th round pick for the number 2 spot in the draft, people somewhere are going to be upset. And even if that kind of deal happened, some people would still bitch.
How about we get qb 5 at 11 and qb 6 at 23 then we trade one for a early 2nd round and a late 3rd talent is there in the early rounds!
The problem is 2 out of the 4 top guys I feel is not a better prospect than the 5th or the 6th that you speak of...and NO it's not a problem with moving up but once you get past NE with that #3 pick and your guy is gone you damn right it's only smart to get the next option at #11 I'm sure the Vikings Gm and scouts already have different scenarios laid out. And the thing that is laughable is why do us Vikings feel that a qb alone is gonna fix everything have you seen the North that's upcoming....this team HAS HOLES TO FILL!!! Again I'm all in on a qb but only at a premium
I’m going to crap on it no matter what.
Omg Judd is going the “McCowen” thing again. Driving me nuts!!
Kwayzeeeee
He's an old man in a Kwik Trip sweatshirt. Let him live.
Between McCowen and KOC, the Vikings have a league wide monopoly on "Quarterback Whisperers".
I am higher on JJ, but, McCarthy and Maye are both young, and have at least 2 years of quality growth to continue to master their craft. Upside, upside, upside.
Wait what? Play him (JJ or Maye) when he’s 23/24 but don’t take and play the more ready QB’s Penix it Nix now? Hope that JJ or Maye become as good as Penix or Nix is now? Make it make sense.
Question: if the Vikes give up 11, 23 and next years first for NE’s 3rd overall. Is it possible to add a stipulation that if that first next year is a top 10 pick they also owe us and 3rd rounder (or 2nd) next year? (Could you ask for their first if we ended up giving them l the #1 pick?). This would be a way to hedge our bet so we don’t look like the panthers? I feel like it’s legal to do and all it takes is some creativity to make a trade to 3 happen that will make everyone happy.
Maye might turn out to be great, lets start there. I've seen all the people who are high on Maye, in their analysis when they talk about his game it's not very good. I'll give Simms credit he matched his take on Maye where he ranked him.
So much has to do with the landing spot. Maybe he could be very good in Minnesota but Mac Jones 2.0 in NE.
Thor Thorsday , always look forward to this day !
Yup just saw a tweet they are trying to have something done before next Thursday
Youre drinking koolaid😂😂 its ultimate bs season
If Keesi trades up to 5 before the draft and ends up taking the 5 QB off the board, is that a fireable offense??????
If so, depends on how that QB does.
The Vikings need interior offensive lineman. If they can’t win the line of scrimmage they will struggle all year again.
Draft night is like Christmas 🎄 for Vikings fans. Coal for the SKOL.
THORSDAY, LETS GO!!!!!
If there is a trade in place already we overpaid. Only way a team would commit to a deal is there being no way anyone else would give that much.
This guy understands how minds work when they have leverage.
You always have to overpay moving up.. especially if it's for a qb. Don't be foolish.
@@christopherwilson7004True. They act like we have been successful with underpaying
This is a recipe for disaster. A team just reaching for a QB. Throwing massive draft capital, to get as high in the draft as possible... thinking the higher they draft QB4... the better he will be.
Side note... How come every mock draft has the Vikings paying a premium to move up... for the mythical QB tax... but whenever a different team is mocked up to the same spot in the draft... the cost to move up is substantially less???
@@christopherwilson7004but overpaying for a QB is exactly what Carolina did & look at them now!
I sincerely hope that if we do draft a quarterback early in this draft, they let that quarterback marinate for the entire first year. There's no rush to jam this guy in. We've watched the Packers do this three times in a row with great success. Why would you push the start someone halfway through the season unnecessarily. Let them learn the offense let them get used to the speed of the NFL and become familiar with the playbook for the first year. Also, I'm quite curious to see what Sam Darnald will do under an excellent coaching staff that KO has put together.
I’m at the point now where I hear people say certain QBs will take years before they’re ready. I feel like they will end up being the most ready.
CJ, Herbert, Allen are just few of the latest QBs that had this described by them pre draft.
Allen wasn't ready until year 3 he was terrible his rookie yeat
No mock???☹
Trading up would be a mistake. Maye's stock is dropping. Bo Nix's stock is rising, along with Pennix Jr. Stand pat and see which one drops to them.
Drake Maye, Sam Howell, Mitch Trubisky, Marquise Williams, Bryn Renner, T.J. Yates, Darian Durant, Ronald Curry ...
Same with OSU QBs but looks like Stroud has corrected it assuming he’s not a 1 hit wonder
Sam Howell honestly might become a good starter. Showed a fair amount of promise on an awful Washington team.
Using past regimes to predict current talent is a crazy univariate analysis. There are a million other metrics that are more predictive than what quarterbacks in 2004 from the same college did in the NFL.
@@thomashicks8470 Brissett entered two games & did better than Howell in both. Way, _WAY_ better. Still, all his negatives _were_ things he should grow out of if he's capable. Bienemy's career may be over though despite the fact that his plays worked - with Brissett.
Meanwhile Kellen Moore who proved himself worse than Joe Lombardi _and_ Mike McCarthy in one season & Greg Roman who turned the MVP-calibre Lamar Jackson into a laughing stock have jobs. Guys who fail with éite talent _regularly_ get hired while those who make mediocrity better than it should be aren't. We should expect someone to hire Josh McDaniels any moment now.
I agree that the Giants are throwing smoke about taking a QB. Teams owners usually to buy into dropping what 50 mil guaranteed to draft another QB. Who won't start or has to start. If they do take McCarthy they will have to trade Jones. I dont see another team wanting to trade for Jones. So what now they cut him and take a huge cap hit and owner loses 50 mil. There is to much talent at 6 to do this. They will take an lineman or WR to help their highly paid QB.
I think they will take Nabors.
Would love to know forno’s/miles/thors thoughts on late round sleepers: Gabe Hall 6-6 291 DT from Baylor with a 9.25 RAS and Jacob Monk 6-3 308 OG from Duke w a 9.74 RAS
I'd love Daniels....but would settle for JJ or Penix. I just am not into Maye or Nix. So I have 3 i like, just depends what we pay. If we land Arnold at 11 and Penix at 23 I wouldn't be upset.
Too high for Arnold, but I agree. Verse and Penix Jr, would still be ok.
Yes, call the Giant's bluff! They aren't taking a QB.
Have listened to NY media, fans and even some national media, and many say Giants brass are on a warm seat, that can get really hot if they don’t do better in 2024. I don’t think they can afford to draft a QB and sit him for a year. They need to win now!
Three years from now we will look back on Thor’s love for McCarthy, Malik Willis and Kellon Mond and laugh at his whiffs.
Its Amazing how long Thor talks without the other 3 jumping in. They act too reverant. 7 minutes is too long for 1 person to talk with no jumping in from the others in my opinion. I still love the channel, just an observation!!
We need a Draft!! Folks are getting chippy!! I need my fix!!
Any of these qbs would love to come to MN. They know we have all the tools and especially coaches to develop them to their best. I surely hope they trade with NE so they can pick between 2 guys. Skol Vikings 🙏 😊
Perhaps we could include Evans and Cine?
I want who ever Koc wants. I like JJ but i wasn't there when they evaluated these guys so i trust the guy who was a qb.
Will Thor be at the filmore?
Mackey refers to it as the PHILmore.
Love thor's super duper 😂
I think what we need to take out of these evaluations is context. At his best, Maye is the best in the class. At his worst, he’s worse than Bo Nix.
McCarthy is a consistent 3-4 on the upside/downside.
If you want someone who is safe and pro ready, go with McCarthy. If you want someone who is more likely to bust but if you hit on him, he’ll be the 2-3 best QB in the league, go with Maye.
I believe Maye at his best will give us the best to win it all. McCarthy, I can’t say that. It’s giving me more of a Kirk Cousins vibe where if his contract is manageable and you can build around him, you’ll win.
McCarthy and Maye are both young, and have at least 2 years of quality growth to continue to master their craft. Upside, upside, upside.
Is it just me or is it not smart to draft the most accurate QB in this draft- Michael Penix Jr. who day 1 as an older QB can throw dimes to the elite WR group and the Vikings get to pick a defensive threat at 23 to increase their competitive potential in the nfc north
Simms is my favorite analyst when it comes to QBs and I've seen many others like Kurt Warner point out the same flaws with Drake Maye. I would possibly take him at 11 due to potential. No way in hell I would trade up for him.
Joel Klatt likes him fwiw
D Jeremiah says look at potential not just production something he admitted it took time to learn that as a scout
@@tue1981 He's big and strong and if he ever learns to play QB he could be good.
I think what Maye needs is a father-figure to force him to work more on his own discipline. Dam Campbell would probably be ideal. _Unfortunately_ he may end up with Cliff Kingsbury, one of The Least Imaginative OCs who can't deal with anything the least bit out of structure. Or if the Vikings trade up, while KOC can work with QBs who have maturity, I don't know about having to deal with rookies. Maybe the Pats would be his best landing spot?
Thor just glazes McCarthy. Oh my
It makes sense to trade up to the top 4 before the draft, but not top 5 because all of the four good QBs could be off the board.
I can't wait for draft day next Thursday. Day 1 is on my birthday and it would be an amazing present if they were able to get one of the top prospects.
The draft is this Thursday. All of the speculations will end thank Thor
The PD guys hanging out with the fans at Thr3 Jack on Friday night, talking about the Vikings Day 2 picks as they come in........oh wait! All kidding aside, very cool of the Phil, Judd, and Declan to schedule a second event to hang out with the fans during the draft.
Penix @ 11 Dl, Ot
That’s my choice too… Penix at 11…
No to Penis
@@user-tg2mm8hv4v Penix at 11 what a reach 😂😂😂
@@Gorrilasportsbetting No way is Penix a reach. He's better than Maye.
@@TristanandIsolt drafting Penix at 11 is a reach. He’s not better then Maye 😂😂
I’m more fired up to see if Sam Darnold is coachable and starts to see eye to eye with KOC and teammates to do great things!
Iol Thor gushing about JJ McCarthy being able to not throw line drives while not being rushed and no one covering his receivers as proof he has fixed his problems is literally the dumbest thing any evaluator in the history of football has ever said and we are all dumber for having listened to that BS.
Right on guy. The McCarthy hype machine is driving me freaking nuts. If they take Maye over McCarthy the can shove this team right down the toilet and I'm a new Texans fan because they know how to put a superbowl team together. Ordering my Stroud jersey the second they take McCarthy.
All I care about is that we don’t draft a statue QB like Kurt was
Yes, I understand, but somehow Kwesi will find someone worse than a statue.
SKOL 😢😮😢😮😢
Tough times to be a Viking fan are about to begin.
Kurt who?
None of them are statues
@@djangorestraind596 Yes I agree, none of them have the solid foundation required to be a statue. SKOL
If the Giants skip qb at 6 you NEED to trade up to 7 or 8. If it makes it to 9, Chicago will gladly trade away their pick at a "discount" to screw the Vikings
Chicago is not going to trade at#9 if their guy is there likely WR but if not then they would trade down to Denver or the Raiders.
3 NE Maye (probably) if a) they decide they’re unwilling to trade b) asking price too high
So Judd is right, if we finalize a trade to 3 it’s for Maye and he’s “the” guy and not “a” guy
You still wouldn’t know what they thought about Maye compared to Daniels or Williams.
And if they instead draft McCarthy at 3 instead of Maye we still wouldn’t know of they liked McCarthy more than Daniels and Williams.
Regardless of outcome, the only players that know they were their team’s favorite at that position are the first guys taken at each spot. Williams will know that he was the Bears’ favorite. Nobody else will.
U know how easy it is to find a podcast that supports Maye good or bad at end of day these are few men over thousands of others with opinions as well if any Vikings fan gets scared over Simms or anyone else remember u can go to pro Maye or pro JJ podcast and leaving feeling we have to have 1 of these guys. Im not listening to none of these guys opinions its all about KOC which none of these guys are
I cannot wait for draft night. SKOL!!!
Make know mistake I have zero belief the Vikings want to or will trade JJ BUT... One possible reason for which he has not yet been signed could be that the Vikings see him as a piece of leverage in the up coming draft why sign him now when you could have potential trade partners confused. I mean why give the Pats the farm when you can tell them we could trade JJ to the Cards or perhaps the Chargers who will have likely missed out on Marvin Harrison Jr. and would really like a top WR???
Think they’d be happy with Jayden or maye and I think Washington takes maye and we get Daniels
3 1's is more then fair to move up to pick 3...so 4 is less than that
In this tough division, we MUST trade up to get a QB
Maye / Favre comp ? I got no problem with that Skol boys
What if the Vikings already had a trade with the patriots in place and then made a trade with the chargers so they could jump the Cardinals for their receiver. 😮
Lets hope that's the case.
Can you guys break Penix and Jalen Coker down with Thor? I really like those guys and the Vikings would be able to get both
Hope Kwesi stays put and doesn't trade away any future 1st round picks. Drafting QBs is a crapshoot. Hoping Darnold learned something in SF last season and will be an improved player.
Kwesi gets fleeced in every draft day trade he does, up or down. Think it will astonish us all how much we have to give up to move up. It will be what future trades will be compared to, like we compare what 9ers gave up to get Lance.
Dollars to donuts the Vikings stand Pat take a QB at 11 take best available DL or CB at 23
Donuts have more value than the dollar in today's economy.
Stand pat and get Penix or JJ McCarthy
A McCarthy or Maye will be better off if Minnesota gets him at 11 then if they give up multiple picks to draft him 3rd or 4th.
You want a franchise QB or not? This BS about wait till 11 isn't going to work. We sure as hell don't need Bo Nix. Once again another fan wanting something for nothing and if you wait till 11 that's exactly what you will get!!!
@@jackrabidue574 QBs and round drafted: Montana 3rd; Unitas 9th, Favre 2nd, Marino 1st, but 6th QB drafted in '83; Staubach 10th; Starr, 17th!! [EIGHT QBs (including Jerry Reichow, a TE for the Vikings) were drafted before the Alabama QB]; Stabler, 2nd, but SIXTH QB selected; Tarkenton, 3rd; Warner, UNDRAFTED; Moon, UNDRAFTED; Fouts, 3rd [SIXTH QB TAKEN]; Kelly 1st, 3rd QB drafted [a swap to get Todd Blackledge would have cost an additional 1st round pick(?)]; Jurgensen, 4th, [SIXTH QB TAKEN]; etc
@@leonardshevlin7260lmao decades ago 😂 only way is to trade up to 3 and get your guy. It’s not that complicated. I’d offer 4 first to the commanders to get Daniel’s
Might as well wait and take either guy in the 4th round. Both have the same odds to happen.
@@kyray448 Well, only retired quarterbacks have busts in Canton. The sport had some similarities to today's NFL.
I'm still not sure if anybody will be willing to trade down to eleven. We might not even get the opportunity to get 3,4 or 5.
Could JJ do what Brock Purdy does…. Let’s go!
All last season I heard that KOC doesn't know how to run the ball or gain yards through screenplays, and how flawed the O-line was [now without Cleveland and Risner and without backups Schlottmann and Brandel {assuming he is now a starter}] but Minnesota is the best place for a rookie QB?
Darnold, btw, will have a better situation than a Maye or a McCarthy would with the pressure of being so expensive [in terms of draft capital].
Trade Mr Greedy to the Giants for pick #6 if one of the top 4 consensus QB’s slides… 2 problems solved, still have 11 & 23 and a bunch of cap space! Maybe the QB of the future secured…
If your talking about jj you sound dumb as Thor
I'm 55 need to win now. Get jj
I'm also 55. First Vikings memory is the Raiders kicking our ass in 76 SB....Starting to wonder if I'll ever see us get back. Years of frustration have left me bitter and that's on me.
@@bridesblade5307 yeah I remember that
KISS Rules rock on
I hope we don't trade up!!
If another team trades for the number 5 pick before the draft, the price for trading for the number 4 pick( or higher) will go up considerably.
Yup it will be 3 #1’s + a 3rd or 4th rounder
No it doesn’t. It will be whatever it is. Cards don’t give a shit that the Chargers aren’t at 5. Why would they charge more because the Raiders or Broncos are now at 5? Cardinals are either willing to trade or they aren’t. If they are, they will accept a reasonable offer rather than losing out on the additional draft capital.
The only way the price is impacted is if the Chargers get more or less than expected. That would impact the negotiation.
Situation is moot anyway. Nobody is trading to 5 if the Cards are actually open for business unless the Pats take a non-QB and there are two QBs available.
No random Viking of the week? Sad! Better be tomorrow.
Trading the ranch on a QB rarely pays off. Let’s hope Kwesi and team get this right.
Man y’all could review Top 10
- IOL
- DT
- EDGE
- WR
- LB
- RB
- TE
But you’re stuck on the QB stuff.
Give it a rest.
These other positions are important.
Focus on them for once.
lol dt and corner and qb are our only needs we need 😂😂😂stop thinking the vikes oline is trash they had to Mf hold for a extra 20 seconds because of Kirk
Tight end is not a need rb ain’t a need goofy
We got a edge in free agency
Bo Nix will be the best QB in this draft. Accuracy doesn't lie.
Or just day 3 guys in general
Jayden Daniels can survive in Washington because he runs so well. However, he'd be playing sandlot hero ball all the time, and he'd be risking his body running downfield. RG4?
This Thor guy hears 1 bad thing about JJ and proceeds to make excuses for his potential deficiencies for about 30 minutes
I'll cry with excitement if they drafted jayden daniels
If we somehow get JD5 Oh man
Holy crap it would be impossible to have a more stereotypical MN accent than Thor
Wrong. Try Ken Resnick or Former Governor Pssy The Nobody Fgtura.
McCarthy's Pro- Day was very mid. JJ McCarthy is Thor's Lord and Savior apparently.
Aquacide - when you want your lake to be as clean as the marble floor of a mausoleum.
We ain’t trading up and potentially future assets to spoon feed a guy.
Lets not forget O’Sullivan also has McCarthy above Maye.
I feel like Drake Maye is CJ Stroud coming out of the draft this season. This is strictly my unlook at the best fit for the Vikings offense at QB. Maye, Nix, and then 3rd Penix Jr. Ya ya ya Bo Nix #2 come on he has a huge upside with his overall numbers from last year. Makes great decision and is super accurate. Has legs on him 6 rushing touchdowns. You can get him at a great spot in the draft also and get a stud DT.
Thor seems to be stammering today. Very unusual.
Thor is up upset. i`m on board with him.
Who is this guy? I’ve seen him on this channel but realized I don’t even know where he comes from or his experience. Might as be my mail man giving me his Spotify playlist.
All JJ does is win
Im almost positive Giants are NOT taking a QB. Brian Gabol needs to win or he’s fired. Plus they have Daniel Jones and Drew Lock in roster.
It’s sad how much thors life revolves around football
That's his job!!!
I wish my life were that sad ... getting paid to watch football all day, then talk about football the rest of the day. What would be sad is how much of your life revolved around flipping burgers and then getting on your burger flipping podcast to talk about all the burgers you flipped.
@@jackrabidue574 totally agree!
Remain steadfast.
I'd take a trade for pick 5 before the trade.
Any chance first NFL game in 2024 is Atlanta v. Vikings????
Doesn't the SB champion usually Play the first game?
@@nickbachman663he means Vikings first game I assume
Yeah SB champ gets the first game, so the Chiefs will host someone. But I hope the Falcons aren't our first game. The first game is always a dumpster fire with teams working out the kinks. I hope it's in October so Kirktober has no excuses when he lays an egg at the bank.
The more and more I think about this draft, the more it feels like the vikes are gonna overpay and end up with a mediocre qb.. I've watched all the highlights of the qbs we have a shot at, and none of them excite me.. none are physical freaks.. all have flaws except for Williams, who seems to have personality questions.
Makes way too much sense for Kwesi
I wouldn't take ANYTHING kimberly Martin says seriously. She's the same one who said Cam Newton's football opinions were invalid because of his CLOTHING. I lost all respect for ESPN, it's turned into THE VIEW.
Had Maye played on that Michigan team he'd be a lock at #2.
Really??????
How do you figure? Maye was terrible under pressure. All those 3rd and longs McCarthy completed to help Michigan to big first half leads? Gone. Maye isn’t leading the team back against Bama. Natty? Gone. Maye lacks the intangibles and leadership and plays small in big moments. He becomes a checkdown QB when pressured. Guess what? McCarthy was pressured behind the Michigan line as much as Maye was. When the QB’s yards per attempt become sub 5 with sub 50% accuracy under pressure, that is a huge problem. Michigan has two or three losses with Maye as their QB last year.
The Vikings want Maye if the price is right if not they going to JJ . Daniel is a decoy only.
It sounds like you guys are trying to convince yourselves that maye & Mccarthy are those dudes
Marino, Stabler, Fouts, and Jurgensen were all drafted after FIVE other quarterbacks.
Starr was the NINTH QB taken.
Warner and Moon weren't drafted.
Was that 80 years ago?
@@kyray448 No. But that's a wonderful contribution from someone in the generation triggered by facts!
lol might as well trade the 2 first round picks for one 2nd round pick I guess
@@MeMe-in8tj Maybe Harbaugh was right about McCarthy. If so, the consensus of the experts was -- as usual -- very wrong. Now McCarthy might go third and have the sixth or seventh best career.
Minnesota can't afford to miss if they want to be an 8-9 win (or better) team in the next five seasons. Past success in drafting has been due primarily to luck. They need to be lucky this draft.
The geek is real!