Operator Hindsight: Viviana Analysis
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- Опубликовано: 9 июл 2024
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This is a brand new series I'm trying out to give an retrospective analysis on an operator based on CN players' perception on them over the 6 months since their release on CN.
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0:00 Archetype and trait
0:24 Stats Build and Kit Designs
1:34 Talent 1
2:06 Talent 2
4:10 Skill 1
5:11 Skill 2
7:49 Skill 3
11:12 Hindsight Review
15:45 Conclusion and Pull Recommendation 
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I was like "I can't wait for Viviana and Degenbrecher to be playable!" back in the day, and the lamb is raw with one while the fucking kitchen on fire with the other 😂
Thankfully Degen didn't suffer the same fate as her
@porokichin7878 Yes that's my point. They went the opposite way and made her invalidate Irene in a cheap way.
Swordmasters need Offensive Recovery? Not anymore apparently.
@@KrazyBean14i M3ed Irene the day Degen was annoucned 😢. At least I will always love Irene with stainless
@@KrazyBean14 tbh that's why i always call her as bad powercreep, because of being good by ignoring her own subclass kitt.
as opposite are Zuo le that being good with still true to his arctype kitt
@@Personpersonpersonperson I think Irene's 2nd module could do a lot for her depending on how they go about it, but it's a long climb for her man 😭
I hope you never lose your passion for arknights, great video btw
Wait HG outstanding move for giving her Trash module and give Surtr God tier module instead
she is gonna be like rosa or Eben if have module
I had hope for new mods before, but after Tactician mods released my hope is gone
(Mumu got good mod while Vigil isn't)
Surtr module gives her global range and damage stacks per hit
no limit
@@laudza Vigil actually has a really good mod. Just that a 30% boost to an incredibly weak unit is just mundane and a waste of mats.
@qurt5101 giving dodge chance after losing a head is undeniably a massive waste of a module
It's obvious that HG loves to play favorites with the mods and spit at the rest
Her banner already ended... literal hindsight... (DGJY is busy I know but it's still funny)
Vivi has a really narrow niche. Lane that spews elite enemies at her at intervals that coincide with her skill uptimes. It's not exactly common but i can think of a few possible lanes like that of the top of my head, including some previous contingency contract main stages and some maps in IS#4. You could argue that texas alter can deal with those lanes similarly well or better than her while also offering flexibility of being a fast redeploy and while that's probably true, texas alter is kind of an outlier, or at least she used to be...
More and more of the recent ops are just kinda fucked in terms of balance and that just makes many other ops look dogshit in comparison. I don't even want to talk about walter and what her existence is going to do to level and boss design in the future.
I like Vivi and will use her and hope for a good module, 3 stacks on shield and some res ignore hopefully, but the current direction with balance is making me a little sad.
I would absolutely love if you could put those 6* welfares next time. They aren't "pull" priorities, but for some stacked units like CE she absolutely deserves a review, and impact rating to incentivize people to build her.
whois ce
@@rogerthat9230civilight eterna aka the babel founder
Her delta module will save her bros trust the plan
Imagine if ∆ mod for arts guard is another elemental dmg mod 💀
@@laudza The Candle Knight + Warmy combo will be OP I promise
I mean burn does debuff enemy res by 20 and inflicts a ton of elemental damage. And Viv having multihit would let her apply it very fast too. So if a delta module gets burn. Yeah I think she will.
What do you mean I'm coping
The only fix tp her is just make the s2 and s3 become unlimited duration especially s3 with the second activation thingy. They can just reduce the atk buff and make it unlimited duration, but nope they are too afraid of laneholder surtr and just make it prolong the duration by whole"10s" instead
Cope
At least shes drippy
Elafia operator in general (except FW is good and Qiubai is decent)
Dont worry about being late, you genuinely make the most highest quality content in the global sphere so its no issue 💯
Nope, he is too late. No point telling me Viviana can be useful, and i should probably get her when the banner has already ended
Fair review!
Something you missed I want to point out, but pretty much everyone else missed that too, is the defensive part of her Talent 1.
From how I understand it, it's multiplicative and should scale multiplicatively with Sanctuary, so if you use for example Quercus with her, the 16% Sanctuary end up at 30% damage reduction against Elites. Quercus' and her Skill Cycles don't exactly line up and you maybe have to use another healer depending on enemy, but with this interaction her survivability with Abjurer Supports is incredibly good.
tbh I do like units who synergize with Abjurers
7:08 It would be better to put a "cumulative" probability on the right here imo; you probably don't need the individual probabilities at all, though, no harm in putting more info. I think it'd be more handy to see that "Oh, she has a 8.6% chance of not getting the ATK SPD bonus by the 12th attack"
poor girl deserved way better stuff but still she will remain a queen
She’s still pretty good though I can lanehold steamknight with her and kill manfred with only her s3’s alone as long as I heal her, she’s really nice she’s just not meta she’s probably the closest to just making someone balanced in a meta setting unfortunately but not the worst, I can also use her to solo the elite assassins in chongyue’s event annihilation (forgot which annihilation number it is) when that annihilation will release, she solos the assassin lane in the actual event too on the ex boss stage. She’s really nice
@@voltrixgames4375 i dont really care whether or not shes usable or effective in the stages, the fact that she didnt get her candleburst attack is so illegal
@@Vladumere it’s not though. It literally isn’t illegal at all
@@Vladumere she literally wouldn’t even have access to it because she doesn’t….
@@voltrixgames4375 I assume english isn't your native language, but he meant "illegal" as in a severe missed opportunity for viviana to have a skill that's a recreation of her flare skill when she was an enemy
Also its just wanting her kit to be better than what it currently is, he's not stating what the community wants viviana to be as a fact
Another synergy I can think of is with Quercus's S2 or Saria, who will not only help keep her alive during downtime, but also charge her skill faster.
True. Her downtime doesn't feel that long, but with Quercus/Saria it's really fast.
If she had multiple Shields, 3 like Nian and Mudrock, and the Shields gave her either SP or reduced the Res of the enemy that breaks the Shield by 10% to 20% she would be so much better, even with the melee only restriction. I don't get why HG gave her such a bad Shield mechanic, other units get to have multiple layers of Shield with Shield breaks giving some bonus, why can't Viviana have that
That's also what bugs me the most, they gave her a crappy shield with no extra utility, why even have the shield at that point? They probably slapped it on last second.
It would be nice if she can have a module that gives her this
Exactly! She doesn't have enough shields and the shields don't do enough to even be all that impactful!
Couldn't they give her shields different effects when using different skills either? This could actually make her interesting.
Always a good day when dragon uploads
Astesia powercreep on 2024, if you think about it thats bad, and bosskilling stuff makes her compete with freaking Surtr
And yet people cried cause she got compared to Surtr smh
@@Vadikus2424 because her kit is too focused in killing bosses/elites but she got powercreeped by sutr and her survival aspect doesnt that much different from asta
@@pempem440 Asta? Arknights x HSR confirmed
@@pempem440 well she can be solo lane (and bad at it ) with s2 and boss killing (also bad at it) with s3
she's dps but her passive is defensive,it's like grani
@@Vadikus2424 🚂🎢🌠
Great analysis as always
I tried using her and give her Roberta's make up machine to simulate "IF" her talent able to block ranged+stacks and it was much more comfortable to use.
Couldn't agree more on that 0.5 talent, it's so true
Her defensive is picky.
Elites ranged are common in any stages and content.
She's like 5.5 star.
To be frank her kit is half-assed.
Still using her tho, it's HG faults not her.
thx as always for the video
Great video as always
I like your Hindsight video series very much, Mr. Dragon 😊 thank you ❤
hi! i really love your operator hindsight series. thank you for helping us analyze. i really like the section where you explain the synergy of this operator with others, how you lay out the pros and cons of her skills, your rating in comparison with other upcoming banners, and her score on daily and niche.
please consider this as a positive feedback on what you do. you are doing great. thank you.
thank you very much for your work on this very good guide !
Thank you very much for these hindsight videos, they're extremely informative and interesting!
Vivianers in shambles when someone goes deep into her weaknesses
No, actually. They're the first to go into depth about them exactly because it feels like 1 or 2 tweaks would make a world of a difference. I was the first person to go to Dragon to discuss my views on her when I saw the relatively vague cons given in an earlier episode.
@@nikolaanicic3944 English is hard. Wym by this?
@@imzelone WHAT? YOU'RE MAKING ME EVEN MORE CONFUSED. "Talked to Dragon" definitely means to the DragonGJY himself. Why we bringing up Degenbrecher?
@@farellaksmann8659He's just trying to bring up Degen to hate.
Vivianna fans know of all of her weaknesses, and like her regardless.
Bro cooking again🔥🔥🔥🔥
Amazing content
awesome vid, thanksss
Thanks you sensei!
I think Viviana's kit is not about using the skill asap but rather prolonging the fight for a bit then use her skills when her HP is about critical level.
Also Warfarin and Aak too would greatly boost her performance although the application of Aak's S3 is during her shield proc phase than using it as initiation/prior to activating the skills.
Highest quality operator hinsight, as always. A big thank you for your hard work!
first time on the channel, insanely intricate analysis, if i had to point something i find lacking is the "team role", like, yeah, it is a problem that she has 1 block and that can lead to leaks, but with a tank like shu behind her,things change very drastically, other than that nitpick, insane production value, looking forward to more!
At that point you can use Zuo Le or Instructor and achieve similar if not better dps..
Great, clear and well presented info. Where would the Reed alter rerun rank in pull priority?
Thanks for the video👍
I love operator insight 😊
me too :)
11:23 seriously, why does AK *dedicated* ST DMG-Dealers (mostly melee) has lower or at most the same damage potential as multi-target DMG-Dealer *ON A SINGLE TARGET*
This is also one of the reason most *dedicated* AoE (especially AoE casters) not that good.
Because early on they realized AoE damage is not a valuable trait in this game (look at artillery sniper or blast caster). So changing an attack from single target to AoE doesn't actually change the damage numbers on an operator (when they are designing a new operator).
Thank you for taking the time to make this video. Your pull recommendations have been spot on for me. Same with the IS guides. Reed Alter is MVP especially for ending 1 in IS#4.
I mean to be fair, she can get better with modules, or not much can change. I will say I was surprised by Ho'oleyak's module making her a very decent support, so who knows maybe Viv will get the arts shred she needs or get the Mudrock treatment and have shields up for everything or potentially will get a small number boost to her passive.
my theory is, Her future module would improve her shield like thorn that can be stacked or maybe some sp recovery
I don't even have Vivialter and I still watched the whole thing. your videos are always top quality
alter?
The problem isn’t that she’s bad, just look at lessing. The problem is that she should’ve been better. She’s added onto a list of now 3 ‘non-limited on limited banner’ ops. These kinds of operators, while more common than their limited counterparts, they don’t have rerun rate ups like other operators, and have to share their rate up with said limited op. It takes more effort to get them and you end up with the embodiment of mediocrity. Also like hoolheyak, she was a character people have been looking forward to as they’ve featured in previous events. Unfortunately they’re both mid.
The only beef i have with Vivi's kit is why the hell she has only 20% to create a shield, it isnt reliable at all
Wonder if her lane could be a spotting game like ifrit&fartooth lane
Needs
-One elite at a time
-Melee elite
Because modules always buff Talents rather than skills, hopefully she can get stacking shields, guaranteed shields, or remove the melee restriction. Best case, they remove the restrictions on talents so she can be easier to use.
Here is one possible synergy: Viviana + Degenbrecher, the disarm skill makes enemies attack very slowly, giving Viviana time to refresh her shield.
Ohh he finally gave a 10. I didn't know he already gave a 10 to Ines though. That's cool
dont worry about being 'late', it doesnt have to be on such a tight schedule, i dont think viewers have to get these guides ASAP or anything
but Words fail to describe her beauty
Nice release date :okaychamp:
My honest issue with Viviana Skill 3 is that it's a design conflict. It's wonderful for dueling. When active. Place Vivi somewhere you can guarantee it being up by then, and you can almost forget her. Outside of needing to activate her Skill, of course. Barring that, you need someone else to cover for her Off-Skill time. With her Priority and extra Range, it becomes extremely tempting to actually place her behind. Having someone behind her instead avoids that obvious problem, sure, but then you need some other way to filter the common enemies that would otherwise take priority while blocked by her. It's a very awkward position for a unit that is plagued by stark differences with or without active skill. But in an ideal environment or possibly even behind another operator and she works well enough. Maybe even amazingly. I just don't know if either are worth the investment. I am still tempted to raise her for S2 alone because she fills the niche of a defensive laneholder with solid enough Arts damage that is absent without a dedicated 6* Arts Defender.
if only they make her S3 infinite like thorns and Typhon she would be significantly way better
What font did you use in the thumbnail?
I think the single worst thing about her is requiring a warmup cycle for her S3. It's not like it's an infinite duration skill, just let it be good on the first use!
Hoo boy, can't wait for me to cry on viviana pot 5 with no virtuosa
I have potent 4, should I build it?
Are you gonna make video like this for lessing?
Logos being 8 and 8 feels much more deserved than the rating in earlier video. Logos is really busted.
If she got 4 stacks on her shield, would that have made her viable??
Sure, not solo lane holding, but if there is a choke point where all lane meet, surtr can clear the whole stages with her medics harem.
i was so pissed when i got Viviana twice in 85 roles and no other 6 stars showed up >:0 literally only repeated 5 stars and that was it!
Viviana got the same treatment as santalla. When they think shield is too op for a damage dealer that they give a lot of limitation it base on chances on attack, 1 stack and worst of all melee only, I swear if they remove this limitation on her that it has 2 stack higher chances and also block range attack Its not even worth it. Ifthe one that is lacking is her damage. I would rather have Physical and Arts dodge on her 1st talent and Crit attack than Increase attack and less damage taken.
If i was making a arknights tier list for channels, yours is EX tier
Lets hope her module gives her ability to nuke
She's all I got in 121 pulls with a Dorothy dupe. Kinda depressed but she is aesthetically pleasing.
OH GOD OH GOD AMBASING
bad behavior
Freaky
Reminder Vivian+Ifrit still have better dps than Surtr+Ifrit up to 74 res boss/elite. She is not a bad operator, just hard to use.
The thing is that Surtr highlight isn't the DPS
S2 had good cycle with pallas s3, s3 with quercus s2 cycle could gave 0 downtime, s1 is just a hit or miss, if oneshot could be great at afk speedfarm + longer range,(yea only works on trashmobs and they usually comes in large numbers, and dont benefits her talent) works on a lane that gives one trashmob at a time and can be oneshotted by her charged s1
New idea for vivi's mod: kroc duelist talent(negate all damage except from who she's blocking)
Please please please please please
Hitting the nail on the head with this one.
tbh s2 shouuld be her breadand butter if the aspd cap is 80 instead of 40
aight, hear me out... :'v
- Talent 1 ModX : All Elafia Ops deals +12%/13% and takes -12%/13% Physical and Arts damage. Double the effect on self if there is an elite or boss enemy on the field.
- Talent 2 ModY : When attacking elite or boss enemy, has a 23%/25% chance to gain a Shield that only blocks melee attacks (max 3 stacks). When a Shield is destroyed, deal % Arts explosion to the surrounding 4 tiles, if a Shield is destroyed when she has 3 stacks, consume all stacks and deal ++% Arts explosion in a diamond shape tiles surrounding her instead.
*p.s. 5* Ritualist Gitano that makes Elafia ops deals elemental damage :copium:
Really hope HG pull a Lin move and gives her an amazing module. It's really sad to see long awaited NPC to be as niche as her. And she's not even that unique at her niche.
Frankly if she gets a module that causes Burn gauge build-up I can see it. Judging by Eben/Logos that'd be 8% of damage dealt, unless she got a % of ATK instead. It's a nice burst of damage and has ingrained -20 RES for 10 sec (~half S3). Supposing nothing special about it, issue would be getting it to proc initially against enemies with more than ~70 RES, but thankfully it gives her a lot more room to play around in.
For talent upgrades, removing the elite/boss generation condition and tacking on SP on break or SP while unbroken would help a lot with cycling. I don't see them doing much interesting with her Damage-Up/Damage-Resist talent outside a neat percentage increase.
Very excited for what they might do with arts guard modules.
Viviana what can you do?
I can stall? I have some certain DPS?...
Are you sure you aren't from other games?
Viviana: Yabai desu ne 😊
I didn't know her shields capped at 1. That makes her significantly weaker than I thought... Also, why the fuck doesn't S3's multi-hits avoid overkill? Is there any chance this is an oversight that might be patched?
DragonGJY plays on CN, so I'd assume he'd know if CN has patched this. So since he didn't mention it, either he didn't keep up to date with the CN changes to specific operators and Global also decided not to fix this (which, to be fair, isn't unlikely) or it hasn't been patched for 6 months
Let's be real chat, she's more selling if being 1st Gen operator operator
Except she's like Angelina who fall off hard without any saving grace
especially cc beta has many meele elites
lol
Yea, the release of Vivi and Surtr felt like it was... erm what's the word? Switched?
Poor Viviana... her kit has too many restrictions and her skills also somehow have counter synergy with her talent.
from the video we got:
1. She only gain bonus from talent 1 when against boss
2. She only gain shield if she hits boss
3. The shield cannot be stacked
4. The shield only blocks melee attack
5. S2 gain increased block count makes her shield wear down easily against multiple mob enemies who can unintentionally got blocked by her.
6. S2 need some hit to gain full aspd
7. S3 needs 2nd activation to be potent
8. S3 increases her attack interval somehow even though she needs attack speed to activate her talent.
9. Low skill duration.
10. Lacking any resistance shredding makes her damage fall against high resistance enemies (more than 16). Sadly the bosses that she is trying to duel usually has this high resistance stats.
tell me another operator that has this many restrictions. i bet its only her. Even Amiya doesn't have this many restrictions on her....
conclusion:
She is trying to be good offensively and defensively like any other art guards but becomes not good at both because of all the restrictions she has.
2 and 5 contradict themselves. The shield was designed to only block elite/bosses so that it doesn't get randomly popped by mobs when blocking with S2.
@@aizeroth8858 yes she gain shield when hit boss but its also not rare boss and elites also comes with mobs. the recent boss Sanguinarch for example.
She feels like a 2020 character released in late 2023
JORKIN MY PEANITS TO THIS VIDEO
Why use stats on 0 trust when comparing archetypes?
Trust distribution is based on operator, the raw stat reflects the archetype design better.
I dont have problem with her except her is her lack of SP and arts res which im hoping HG just gave her a module that restore 1sp when attacking enemy and ignore no. arts res
I love her and i used her now on my daily
S2m3
S3m3
180%+ trust
Honestly, that would be so nice, like making the Arts Guard module restore 1SP per attack would be so nice, for all of them, and would make Surtr any worse
Well they can change that since lord module are not same
And they add what they needed like SA art damage and strong poison on thorn
Problem is with her great survivability on skill, her damage is still quite lacking
As seen in the video she can barely kill the hammer bro, let alone deal with the monsters in CC with 2819829192 debuffs and buffs
well, i lost my 50/50 to her so might as well see what she can do
Boy, I need justice for Candle Knight-chan 😭😭 please make good module for her
make her the candle knight? where's her aoe?
It breaks my heart, I don't know why the artists spend so much time making these amazing looking characters that are abysmal to play.
hi
Her module better increase her first Talent at least into 36%/40% at Lv.3
It feels like they were way too afraid of releasing a 2nd Surtr and gave her a bunch of restrictions that do not make much sense.
1. S3 is good on 2nd activation but still nothing overpowered. So why then don't we just get it immediately? Why do we need 2 activations? Random restriction
2. Talent 1 can only fully activate against elite/bosses. Why not for normal mobs too? Is it overpowered to have it be good against mobs too? Aren't mobs supposed to be weaker anyway? Random restriction
3. Why make the shield melee only when there are elite/bosses that don't even have a melee attack?
4. Why make S2 chance based and also cap the ASPD steal to proc only 1 time? You would think only 1 of the 2 restrictions would be necessary to balance this skill, not both.
Put her next to Skalter and Ifrit, and it feels like she's a permanent Surtr.
If you have skalter, you can just add nearl and a medic and you got a permanent surtr anyways
@juh9870_projects tried it with Warfarin skill 1 nope. Besides, if you're going to use Surtr against tough elites and bosses it's for carving a good amount of their hp while stalling them with her "immortality" or hitting them while they are stationary because the moment they reach her, their damage, plus her hp drain, will put her on the 60 second timer.
So why isn't Wis'adel also a 10 in advanced content? Do you really think Ines is better than her?
Ines's utility is better than Wisadel's raw strength in advanced content. Take away Ines from the game and you lose some of the most valuable DP generation, binding, and much more. Take away Wisadel and you still have a myriad of big number dealers - she might be the biggest and the best, but she still boils down to big numbers.
@@guangdong6805 that’s fair enough
My wife Viviana
Vivi is actually a solid is4 pick since many of the stages have a "slow elite lane" there.
Not that useful against any bosses there but still a great option
The sp on hit relic also fixes her downtimes completely
not really lack of aoe and block is just bad
With stages like the slug spam and sheeps at the start, is she really a "solid" pick? Cause guards are only obtainable with medics and snipers
I'd rather go with Gater, FedEx, or Hoe
@@farellaksmann8659you definitely wouldn’t pick her as a starter guard. The best starting guard is Popukar 😊 (Popukar + Reed Alter + Orchid is a very common start)
@@YuniversalYT guessed so. Anyway, Hoe + U-chan starter on top!
Waiting HG to drop a patch revealing a revamp for her 3rd skill that changed it so something like explosion. Maybe like mudrock third skill kinda thing
oh Logos same tier as Degenbrecher.. and lol, Viviana has extemely poor marks hahah (guess I raised her for fun then)
"each instance of damage = 1 attack" so if i use Virtuosa s2 vivi has extra chance to get a shield?
Virtuosa S2 doesn’t deal extra damage though, Necrosis damage itself doesn’t decrease the HP bar but instead its own circle which doesn’t count. Even the elemental damage is sourceless, so Vivi is out of luck there.
Bro make a video like he want to present in front of lecturer
Honestly it wouldn't have killed HG to give her s3 infinite duration after 2nd use, preferably with some additional res ignore on top. By today's standards it wouldn't even be that great, but at least she could've become a good and usable unit with clear niche. But instead we got what we got... Well, at least i'm happy that i got Arturia first and not Vivi.
Frankly, just giving her 2 targets on S3 would've made a world of a difference in situations where mobs/other targets come down the same lane. Means she won't get distracted from the main target. It's part of why Surtr S3 is so nice, even ignoring the RES ignore diff.
Or just not increase her attack interval for no reason.
Yeah, even if it was just +25s instead of making it to 25s, that would’ve drastically improved her even without any RES shred.
S3 isn't just about doing damage though, it's also about crazy survivability that can effectively lock any melee enemy down that can't break her shields fast enough and kill her through her boosted defensive stats until the skill duration is up, so making that infinite duration would just trivialize some of the hardest hitting enemies by her sheer existence alone.
@@koekelbagstrogoff966as if HG has ever held back before in regards of a single unit invalidating an enemy type.
remember Lee locking Lingering Echoes' boss in place?
remember Lappland forcing HG to make some enemies' skills unsealable nowadays????
I got her with pot 5. Dont really want to build her since hg remove her nuke, one of the thing that i love about her, more over i already have aestesia as laneholder art guard.
Great video tho. Vivi kit felt like a year 1 operator
I'll use her anyway but her kit design is so poor.
Can use 0.5 talents outside of her niche and her double effect on 1st talent only work in her atk range
Duelist without outstanding skill.
skill 1 bruh
skill 2 somewhat decent but too low dps
skill 3 need 2nd activate to be good for no reason. Maybe HG want to make her different from surtr but come on duelist that need 47s to be good after deploy ??
10:20 that looks like pot 6 viviana vs pot 1 surtr
Still mad that she doesn't have the cool af aoe attack like cmon that made her interesting besides her design now playable version doesn't even have good effects to look at. extremely lackluster unit, i'll still raise her but man
To all the doomsayers: She's better than any of my 5* arts guards. In terms of skills I like Viviana's S2 more because it's exactly long enough to kill two of the defenders on h7-2. It also scales with Heidi's S2 while S3 really relies on that second activation to become worth using
Because she's... a 6★? I don't think anyone who downplays her ever thought about that she's shittier than the 5★ counterparts...
F me then I got her 4 time in a 150 draw