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Honestly, having the takes in there really sold the desperation in the creeping and overwhelming apathy that’s around the game, even with people who have been a part of it for years now such as you and more regular players like myself. It’s real and it’s not going away like before. I know it wasn’t intentional, as why the edit is here, but you know… I got it, whether I read into that overlook a bit more than what it really was or not. Not to be sappy, but I started playing D1 at launch and found your channel and eventually the rest of the crew as well. Missed out on Rise of Iron all the way till late Forsaken because I was gearing up to try and be a Paralympic professional athlete/get accolades and good grades to go to a good college, but I kept watching your stuff regardless of whatever was going on and I still will keep watching now. The only way I’m really staying with the game now is that my now wife wanted to start playing it with me, and I began to enjoy it again with her. You do you; I found your second (hidden) project out of recommendations after being subbed to you for years. Whatever you and the crew decide to do, you’ll have plenty of us behind ya
I just thought you were slow clapping. True Video Datto I think Bungie just needs to do more procedural generation in dungeon, strikes, and activites. I am most engaged when I don't know what is coming. So if maps would pick from different enemy spawns, objectives and even change it up mid mission I think that would help with the same old same old feel.
man, I've been watching you since before destiny came out in 2014 which was middle school for me. I really hope to see your content to continue through my life as you are easily my favorite youtuber ever, as cringe as that sounds since I'm now 23. You've helped me out mentally with your content through the past decade and I hope you find success later, whatever I may take you.
22 now homie, and right there with you. It’s been such a journey. Datto is easily one of my favorite RUclipsrs and one of my favorites figures in the community. He means a lot to a lot of people, and I truly just want to see him succeed. He’s got to
It's not cringe to have some of a sentimental, youthful, and nostaligic side to you and anyone who tells you differently is dead wrong. Too many become lame by the time they turn into adults because "I'm an adult, I can only like adult things and do adult things - drink, work, politics, worrying about inflation, can only enjoy adult humor, etc" and become the most stale, bitter, and boring people out there. Hold on to some of that youth in your soul and never lose it :) It's fine for a game to be special to you and for content creators to be a comforting place.
I've personally made the decision to hold off on buying the Final Shape until WELL after it launches, and then likely playing the campaign only and dipping on Destiny forever. After 3500+ hours of this game, I just can't do it anymore. I jumped back in this season because it was going to be a long one, and I could take it easy. I came in about 3 weeks late and I'm already feeling burnt. It shouldn't be this way folks. I should feel fresh enough to play again, but I don't.
I'm in the same boat as you, I played the dungeon with friends (probably the worst dungeon I might add, we did every encounters "mechanic" without knowing we did the mechanic) and that was it, I already felt burnt out after that.
Tbh that’s just you, you’ve played so much that no matter what the content will never suffice. I’m in the same boat but I guarantee there’s probably 90% of the player base that are more causal and don’t have everything in the game
@@bobisacoolguy3631you thought it was the worst dungeon? Vast majority of the community thinks its the best, can you elaborate while you don’t like it?
@@arjunramesh1681honestly it’s mid at very best, it’s dead easy and stale within the 3rd run, just like everything in this game, if the shop didn’t sell shaders for bright dust I would never log back in, it’s a new piece of content that already feels old, it’s the classic case of “oh that was a cool dungeon” and then you run it again and you know exactly what to do and it becomes something completely mechanical where you’re almost on auto pilot not paying attention to anything but the task at hand, then you’re off the your next encounter without paying attention to enemies or scenery along your way because once you’ve seen it, you’ve seen it, there’s no need to stand around in awe, every dungeon or piece of content becomes this repetitive cycle of not actually caring about the activity but just doing it for garbage loot you’ll inevitably dismantle, didn’t mean for this to be so long but yeh
@@arjunramesh1681 It's personally the worst for me, for the same reason that Vow is the wors raid for me. The enemies. Taken and ESPECIALLY the Scorn are my most hated enemy factions. I hate fighting against them. I hate their stupid glitchy movements or turning into mist. I played through the new dungeion once, enough to say i did it, and reach Guardian rank 10. The atmosphere and vibe of the Dungeon is cool. Would like it a lot more if it was actually the Fallen House of Kings. I also hate the mechanics of the dungeon. Oh go stand in that lantern, but wait there's taken goo everywhere that's going to siphon off your health. Oh you have this debuff that you have to transfer or you die, but haha you punched the wrong one and it didn't transfer, or haha you punched him and he immediately melee'd you back so now you have the debuff again and die to it.
Datto, I don't know if you're interested in doing this again, but I really liked your coaching on a legend lost sector video. If you did more coaching content, I would watch every bit of it! It would help us folks who haven't been playing forever. Much love sir.
I also like coaching videos, but I think a lot of them don't perform as well as they could (speaking generally here, not specifically about Datto or even D2). Watching a player fail to clear a lost sector for ten minutes of ingame time plus X minutes of paused commentary, with a lot of information and mistakes getting repeated, makes for a video that probably overstays its welcome. Condensing the content into correcting individual mistakes rather than critiquing entire runs of activities could help make those things more digestible.
There HAS to be a new, comprehensive enemy faction added to the game. No reskinned taken or scorn, a fully unique race with tiered units and abilities.
IMO, Destiny needs to focus on Depth instead of Breadth - everything they've built so far is designed to be experienced once or a handful of times, not something that is meant to be run repeatedly. Imagine if every season added more depth to one activity each year, making every run more varied or interesting.
They could add more mods to armor. Raid armor doesn’t need to be relevant, just cool. Why not let me slot the raid armor mods on my armor for free? Set bonuses could be earned and treated as a third exotic. Forcing a refarm would feel shallow. But adding to our arsenal would be nice. They can also add entirely new armor mods that don’t cost drain. Adding them as drops to bosses and specific enemies/activities. Essentially we could use a way for armor to affect gameplay that isn’t just numbers. It’s hard enough to farm a set for the stats. And also: exotic armor catalysts would be fun.
The main reason i dropped the game was weapon crafting. As soon as that became the focus instead of typical looter, I didn't feel like engaging with the game. It basically made it so that if you don't have this specific weapon for this specific activity with these perks which you can only get if you spend all your time playing nothing but destiny, then you can never get any of the lfg stuff done. It became the quickest way to alienate people
I have no solutions for destiny’s future state but everything I have done in destiny after light fall has felt halllow and forced. The spell has broken and unless bungie can fix that destiny will never recover.
Datto there is only 1 problem ... Battlegrounds in the nightfall rotation and strike playlist . The forum is filled with it You play the game for a living . You already have the best loot possible . Do you like playing battlegrounds ?? Then ask for a seperate battleground playlist ? Bungo listens to streamers you know 😉
😂😂 enjoying to shit on Destiny2 meanwhile we Love the Game! its a fantastic Game with unlimited potential! But they Ruined it by Turning the game into Casual paradise! Endgame Dead...Rewards doesnt matter,,,its Mid Casual as best! I remember Destiny was the most hardcore Game ever...joe blackburn and Their DEi really did 💩 on the game! a Common meme says : the Only thing can kill Destiny is Bungie!
I've seen that sort of thing in videos from other RUclipsrs (usually in service of speed) but here I kind of thought it was a stylistic choice tbh, leaving in part of the usually excised production to illustrate how burnt out he's feeling right now.
Hearing that you’re having to delay your sabbatical to 2025 hit me way harder than I had anticipated. I’ve been a long time viewer since crota challenge modes with math class. You have been a huge part of my gaming enjoyment and I couldn’t imagine being as invested in this game had it not been for you. You deserve a rest good sir. Please don’t push yourself to the breaking point on our account. Better to have you take a step back and come back reinvigorated than run yourself off a cliff trying to keep up. I can’t speak for everyone but I can certainly say I’d be ready to welcome you as if you’d never left.
Bruh just take a break if you need, people know your Mr Destiny we’ll be here wether you are not I personally watch old videos or play other games when there’s no content find entertainment or relaxation where you can my man 👍✌️👌
I know youtube in 2024 is an entirely different beast from 2014, and I know Destiny falling off is a terrifying outlook for you no matter what, but some of my all time favorite videos from you are the custom raid challenges in D1 years 1 and 2. "I left the guns on the ship" will always make me smile, and I hope you can keep in mind that even when destiny was giving you almost nothing to work with, you still made amazing content. Your success - while sometimes proportional to - will never be fully dependent on destiny's success.
I think a big difference now though is that we can't forgive the game now. Back then, the sin was a lack of consistent content, but the expansion itself was banger. As a result, we kind of wanted to love and engage with the game. Nowadays, it can feel like we have too much destiny slop to wade through, and we don't necessarily want even more destiny content in our lives.
A sad reality of games is always the hype/new factor. When a new game comes out no matter what it is it usually brings people in and they stick with it forming a community. I've seen tons of games from mobile games to triple A where you get people in and there's a lot of "no hit boss kills" "cleared this content never using supers/ultimates" etc. As games evolve and content/powercreep sets in it can be harder to define what rules equate to skill. When games launch and they are fresh and exciting there is also usually more easily understood mechanics that people can attempt to master. I have a lot of nostalgia for Destiny and a few other games like old Halo. I know it's gloomy for Datto and it's one of the reasons I resent American capitalism that we all need to toil so hard just to live so we can't make the things we want to make. End rant/
For those out of the loop of what Datto mentioned by "New stuff coming", here's a list: January: End of the exotic mission February: Moments of Triumphs and "wishes" which are like story content missions but smaller apparently. March: Guardian Games April-May: PvP map pack and Into the light, something like the 30th Anniversary but on a smaller scale. June: TFS Releases
“The Destiny spell on me is kind of breaking” hit a bit more heavy-handed than I expected. I broke my years-long streak with Elden Ring… and then Cyberpunk, and then Dead Space, and then Baldur’s Gate… I love this franchise so deeply. I’ve sunk thousands of hours into it and it’s amounted to a few hours a week as of late. It hurts, but I’ll be damned if I don’t see it through… after that? Who knows? I’m tired of coming back over and over again… Fatigue is real. Take care of yourselves, and experience other things, y’all deserve it, the community deserves it.
Exactly the same for me, maybe get on destiny for like and hour or two, or help a friend with a quick dungeon than back to any other game. On my second playthrough for baldur’s gate and that’s helping time fly by
I really feel that the game fell of hard after the mars expansion in D2. Loved all of D1, maybe it was just fatigue but those high level of expansions never really returned once bungie took over. I still enjoy the People such as Datto catch up with the story by watching instead of playing. The game just feels stale since forsaken imo.
I really hope you can find success in something else soon Datto. I’ve seen this video a thousand times before. I used to be hooked on Destiny but haven’t played for years now and it sounds like I haven’t missed anything. Good luck man.
I really do believe the DCV and seasonal model have already killed Destiny’s longevity, it’s just currently on a crash course that will end with TFS. Good new player onboarding is not possible without the start of your story in the game, so old players are falling off at a way higher rate. From my experience, the general public just knows that Bungie ripped people’s purchased content away from them, and all the gear that players grinded got taken away only to be resold. No one has faith it won’t happen again, and with the continued garbage from the Starter Pack to Transmog’s monetization, Bungie give players no reason to trust them. The only possibility for things to become great, in my view, is if everything in the DCV came back. That’s very nearly impossible, which is what has me thinking this game has no hope for further longevity
I think destiny needs to add the ability to earn cosmetics that we actually want via the pinnacle content in the game like the ultimate raids in FFXIV or mythic raids in WoW
My main problem with D2 is the corny and blatant FOMO business model. I'm tired of having to mark certain days on the calander just cause X weapon or Y raid ia in rotation then etc. It's just so stale
I long for consolidation. I can’t help but think of Crota’s End and House of Wolves when Datto talks about “fewer, larger setpieces”. The issue is Destiny is massive, and it is two games; its nigh impossible to piece together a congruent story - callbacks to the Ishtar Collective in Lightfall fall on deaf ears, and narratives can’t be followed when you miss out on one season and suddenly Saladin becomes Valus Forge, the Ahamkara return, or Osiris making no note upon his Prophecies as they happen- “Two siblings cleaved by time and space” . So much of Destiny insists on its own lore, that is now either not available, or available only on last-gen consoles nearly a decade old. Even if there was no Comet/End of Year release, its not like people aren’t dying for a temporary ease on the content after The Final Shape. Hopefully the talent that went into designing so much of the original and sunset campaigns can be consolidated by a group of writers who now finally know where they are headed, not to some intangible darkness, and can translate as much over into the new engine as possible during perhaps a ‘gap year’, supporting themselves through vEpisodes, to form one fully fledged true and strong narrative, before forging onwards into whatever comes after the final shape.
1. No way to target farm specific exotics. Only option for the playerbase are lost sectors on the correct day that you may or may not have to run for hours because everything is rng. 1a. You could spend an entire server day until reset farming in a lost sector only to come out of that grind with nothing, one bad roll of the exotic, or something adjacent to the word "decent". 2. No incentive to farm Master raids outside of achievements, lmao. 2b. Adept loot obtained from Master raids are meaningless in the meta. 3. Xur has sold bad rolls, of mid or bad exotics/gear, for the past 2 years. There is no reason to go and see him. It is a waste of time and effort. 4. The best way, currently, to farm artifice armor is through dungeons. That's a problem. 5. The player is not given the opportunity to use materials to increase the stats on armor. 6. Most raid exotics are tied to rng and nothing but rng. That is a dumpster-fire tier design choice made by people looking at a spreadsheet whose interest in "player engagement" doesn't extend past playtime. 7. The discrepancy of exotic armor and their effects when compared to the other choices from each class swings so wildly in both effectiveness and fun a person would be forgiven for mistaking that data for a jumping monkey from the amazon rainforest. 8. Focusing costs entirely too much regardless of the vendor or the item in question. The prices are egregious across the board, no exceptions. 9. Exotic focusing requiring a cipher is a joke so stale that makes even Activision mad they didn't think of something like that first. 10. If you aren't trying to boost your light level, there are absolutely no logical reasons or theoretical thought processes in existence that would be able to justify playing the strike playlist. 11. Gambit was dropped so hard and fast that it made deadbeat dad's grabbing milk and cigarettes from the store stop to take notes on how to leave behind your failures. 12. PvP is stale. They are working on it. The map pack coming needs to have more than 6 maps, 3 of them need to be large maps, we need a "Classic" node where you don't spawn with heavy or special and you have to fight over who gets to take the ammo from a crate. Bring back tanks and pikes on the large maps. 13. Bungie, you lost this battle of public opinion. Bring back SRL. 14. Mod energy on armor, especially exotic armor, needs to be increased to allow for more mods. 14b. Raid mods should require absolutely 0 (zero, cero, zilch, nada) energy. That is all for now.
Greatly put - QOL/Convenience does not = fun. Maintenance is never enough for ongoing games. Destiny needs new and methinks Bungie just ain’t got it but we’ll see
i really find myself struggling to stay engaged with the game and its so sad because i love destiny and i want to be hooked i really do, but its fading :(
Can we admit now that crafting killed the game? Literally no point in grinding these game modes since we can just craft the god rolls in less than a few days
Man you play every day, your experience is nothing like what it is for the majority of workers. I HATE YOUR PERSPECTIVE DATTO. STOP DEMANDING A LOOT GRIND!!!!!!!!! STOP TURNING DESTINY INTO A JOB. Let us play a game for fun instead of a job. Let me play pvp instead of stupid repetitive crap. The format is fine, the tediousness and amount of grind sucks. This is one of the worst review.s. Doing 60 raids for exotics is just unbelievalbly rediculous.. having 100 coil runs is good for streamers. To say this super grind seasonal content is the best is just a lie. HAVING TEDIOUS FAILABLE GRIEFABLE SEASONAL CONTENT IS A HORRIBLE IDLE. EVERY BIT OF GRIND NEEDS TO BE REDUCED BY A FACTOR OF 10. 15 coils in a season instead of 150 to unlock redborder guns. 100 kills on catalysts instead of 150, 3 runs on each character for a dungeon instead of 30. The amount of exotics I don't have from playing almost every free moment I can free up makes me HATE RUclipsRS FOR PRAISING THIS CRAP AND DEVS FOR NEVER LISTENING TO NORMAL PEOPLE. Most of the time I just want to get on and play a pvp match instead of grind rediuculous crap. This is the worst review I've seen in such a long time. NOBODY IS COMING BACK BECAUSE THE DEVS DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT FOR A JOB. PEOPLE WANT A GAME.
I feel Bungie took too long on switching off of seasons that it's damaged the game for sure and that's not even factoring in other factors that damaged the game as well. Needless to say, Destiny 2 is not in a good state. Like Datto said, I think the leadership of the company are pretty much hampering the game and not allowing the game to thrive. On the loot grind, I feel that RNG is pretty bad for armor so building another set is not really looked at for most people, especially if it involves armor sets from raids and such. Maybe if we could raise the stats of the armor higher gradually to be near the cap, that a lot of us veterans already have on our default gear, so getting that extra set won't be a pain in the butt and essentially weaken yourself if you decide to wear it? There's not really a lot that can be done for weapons at this point I feel other than balancing/changing existing perks to be more appealing and adding in new perks every now and then. Also, one thing I think needs to go are champions. Yes, it was good that subclass abilities and such can stun them, but I think most people would've just preferred to have them removed.
Havent watched you in a while. Just gonna say this. You dont need destiny. Destiny needs you at this point. I think youve given this game enough. Play whatever you want to play and people will still watch. Peace
I been on and off since pre ordering Vanilla Destiny. For me I leave when I get fatigued from this game, and always come back. I recently came back and I'm having a great time. I feel bad for those who have stayed the whole time and keep grinding away @ the same content. The key to Destiny has always been play until its boring and go play some new Triple A games and return. Don't make it a chore. Content creation in a gray area and its the bread and butter money maker so thats understandable.
No reason to limit that concept to AAA games. Many indie games are out there providing experiences that AAA devs simply aren't interested in, and doing a stellar job of it, too. Some favorites of mine you may have heard of: Sea of Stars, The Messenger, Hollow Knight, Celeste, Inscryption, Tunic, Neon White, Rivals of Aether (probably wait for Rivals 2 tbh), Metal: Hellsinger, and VVVVVV. I'll also throw in Hades, even though I haven't played it yet, because I enjoyed two of Supergiant's previous titles (Transistor and Bastion) and Hades really put them on the map for a lot of people. Seriously, the number of games out there that don't get attention because they're not attached to the big name nickle-and-dime developers is criminal. I would also not describe Baldur's Gate 3 as indie, but that game is such an achievement on so many levels that I can't help but bring it up either. It puts every AAA game I've ever played to shame. One of the very few games that actually deserves the level of hype that big game releases get, made by people who actually care! And I'm the sort of person who gets outright contrarian when I feel like a game is being talked about too much (which has likely saved my wallet a fair bit in the long run).
I havent spoken to or know of anyone who plans to keep playing post Final Shape... everyone is just waiting for that conclusion to the Light/Dark saga. Whatever ends up happening here, I hope u find success in your next chapter. Ill continue to watch regardless. Cheers
As a solo player, Fireteam Finder has been a game changer. Previously, Matchmade content were too easy for my power level while finding fireteam to play harder content was a pain in the a** (especially as French, even if I speak quite good English, people are just jerks). My biggest complaints are: - Nightfall should be a playlist (small one sure, but 1 map per week is too few to make it fun to play a lot for a casual player). - With Titan reappearing in S21 I honestly thought we would get the full planet back (including one of my favourite Strike). - Gambit... what to say more than just "do something, update it or shelf it but do something".
It's kind of sad hearing Datto talk about Destiny tbh. Idk it's like an actor in your favorite show talking about never wanting to reprise that role again. Happy for Datto though to be trying new things he's passionate about
I'm confident this will get lost in the sea of comments, but the main reason I dropped as a 4,000 hour plus player was Lightfall's push to kill the casual side of play. They didn't make the game harder, they just removed the bottom half of the difficulty curve for those who enjoyed the game that way. I loved running the second tier of nightfalls before they changed the level aspect. I just want a comfy casual game and they've decided that making the game less accessible is better. I don't grasp it.
Crafted weapons are good in theory, but I think that their implementation takes away from what Destiny is supposed to be. I have confidence in two things. Either The Final Shape will be the single best thing that Destiny will ever see and will bring confidence back to the franchise, or Destiny will die after TFS and Bungie with it.
I mainly want TFS' story/conclusion to be good & Bungie to do the Witness justice, as someone who's been following the story the past decade & mainly cares about that. & after the conflict with the Witness is resolved idk if I'll be interested as much, just gotta wait & see
I don't think Final Shape is gonna be bad... but I do realize, when a Bungie franchise is over, they don't tend to have carry over players. Like I haven't ran into a lot of Halo fans, and Halo franchise without bungie hasn't really done well either.
I won’t forget that day I randomly met you in person at PAX with Mr Fruit, Datto. Both of you were very kind. As a sub and fellow guardian I hope you’re doing good brotha despite recent events with bungie and the community. I’m staying optimistic for final shape. Don’t get burned out man just take a break and come back when you’re ready. I’ve been here since 2014 like many others on this journey for 9 years. Whatever comes next guardians in the final shape let’s face it together
Here’s some stuff I would love to see and I think would actually entice me to play more of the game again - New enemy races - A new class entirely - A new tier of weapons/gear (power creep doe) - Legend/master strike playlist - Something akin to the Coil but with significantly more variety (like a lot more variety) - A competitive PvE mode of some sort (Gambit clearly ain’t it) - Something akin to Path of Exiles mapping system w/ randomly generated areas, scaling difficulty and bosses to progress towards. Bonus points if I could use my constantly maxed out currencies to modify that reward structure & gameplay loop I understand a lot of this stuff is probably unrealistic but post Final shape if the game wants to survive they need to try SOMETHING interesting. Coil is okay but it’s just that, okay. Try a tower defense mode, try a season with base building, try a season where crafting gets some wild options like the ‘craftening’. Raids/dungeons and the occasional GMs are cool but the game is so stagnant and seems to move at an absolutely glacial pace. I guess it kinda worked cause they got 10 years out of it but the ship is clearly going down and ol captain Blackburn isn’t gonna be able to save it this time. Either go maintenance mode and let the ship sink while you pursue something people at Bungie are actually passionate about or take some god damn risks, please.
What are your thoughts for episodes being similar to Poe’s dlcs? One thing I like about Poe is even when I take a break n have no idea what’s happening in the new league I can interact with the mechanic at the very beginning and learn from there n it’ll eventually scale up. I thought for destiny it would be cool after we defeat the witness one of the consequences is something like corruption n light and dark is corrupting the land and the enemies as well so right now we have gms so it would be corrupt as a added tier and the enemies are augmented with all light or dark powers the map is changed visually and a mechanic like maybe after killing a certain amount of dark enemies they drop a orb that completely augments your dark powers making them do crazy stuff for a limited amount of time same with light, and maybe after getting enough light or dark points there’s a vendor where you can make a light or dark orb and completely augment and upgrade light or dark abilities.
Im just sick of all the nerfs when there are still exotics that are literal dog water tier. Bungie is on thin ice, and STILL finding ways to make an already mid game even less enjoyable.
@@GFlight.916 I dunno bout that one man, solar hunter getting a bunch of good buffs. Void titans getting a captain falcon knee that does big damage. Reverting of renewal grasps. Among a bunch of others
I would love if GM Nightfalls took the WoW Mythic Plus Dungeon system where you climb more and more difficult versions to get better rewards but Bungie would have to completely revamp how rewards and power levels work for that to work.
Stuff like that is pointless. You're either gonna run the hardest one for the best rewards or you're gonna run whatever difficulty gives the best reward for the least amount of effort. It's a waste of resources.
@@oxsila having played a fair amount of WoW years ago: mythic+ scales infinitely, with the only real cap being the mathematical limits of what damage the players can put out and endure (because WoW is an RPG, so you can end up in situations where beating XYZ thing is impossible because your level is too low or your gear is too weak). There is no "hardest one," and in fact a fair amount of content is/was made based on trying to set new records for the most difficult successful run of mythic+ dungeons. The closest Destiny translation of the concept I can think of would look like this: rather than having one set GM you run to completion like a regular strike, finishing a GM loads you into another randomly chosen GM with a slightly (but cumulatively) tougher light level cap, with the rewards increasing based on how tough said light level cap is, and with wipes knocking you back down to a less severe light level cap. Right now the Coil is the closest thing Destiny has to that, but you'd need to remove the hard cap of four runs and also remove Riven/glass shards. Also, you can leave between runs and come back without losing progress.
We had something like that it was called Haunted Forest and it didn't take long until people were bored of it. Only now that it's vaulted are people saying they miss it. A lot of casuals already complain about A platinum coil run taking too long lol@@life-destiny1196
Or maybe an actual endgame activity? Maybe a planet that’s specifically made for endgame so you need to be fully kitted out and has a bunch of new endgame activities and stuff to chase. I don’t play destiny anymore since warframe cross save released but destiny needs to stop with just slapping grandmasters difficulty on everything n be like “ok guys here’s your endgame”. It’s incredibly repetitive and boring.
Your state of mind for playing the game is pretty much mine. Do the seasonal story and anything that's time gated...and that's it. I've already got all the season patterns, am happy with the armor I've got, and have a handful of the raid titles that I wanted. I still come back because the shoot gun, see explosion is still unrivaled for me, but nowadays, I play other games. 😊
Just my anecdote, but I’m coming back to the game for season of the wish and final shape after not playing since shadowkeep. It’s been great running through so much content I missed, and I can’t wait to see what they have in store for us.
I never wanted a D3 because I didnt want to loose my loot again like what happened with D1 and D2. I now would rather take a D3. D1 is frozen in time and I can go back and play it for fun and experience my old loot again. I could do the same with D2 if a D3 happened. A D3 I feel wouldve grabbed new players. Its bigger than an expansion and everyone is on the same playing field and would be more inviting for new players. We also wouldnt need a dcv. Old content is still there you just need to go and play the older game like any other game. I think a game like destiny dosnt work as a live service like other games espicially when its the second game of the franchise and a lot of content with story has been removed. But if a D3 was to happen it would HAVE to be good.
My biggest thing is I’m expecting episodes to be more expensive than seasons, there’s no way they stay the same price, especially since 1 episode is included in final shape, and with there only being 2 more instead of the regular 4 for seasons they’re missing out on a quarter of their seasonal revenue, aside from that I’m really hoping our guardian has more of a central role in the stories going forward, it honestly kinda doesn’t feel great to play the seasonal activity then watch other people talk about what’s going to happen in the grand scheme of things, it would’ve been so much better to have done a live event like seraph this season where like the week before final shape comes out, our guardian goes through the portal then final shape comes out
Im the opposite. I fully expect episodes to have equal or less content than seasons now. For a few reasons. Bungie just lost a good chunk of their staff. Its already a reduction on content cycles, and they are coming after the game's supposed finale.
The already confirmed episodes are 15 USD dollars each instead of 12 USD which imo is better for 2 reasons 1. It's cheaper over a full year, 45 USD instead of 48 2. You could only buy packs of silver in 1k and 1.5k so you couldn't buy the exact amount needed for a season, now you'll be able to again
@@uncoveredkhan09gaming38 Its insane people already forgot they raised season prices to that level less than a year ago just to get more money from people, and now call a second raise of prices a positive because it matches in game currency purchases which they have full control over and change change on a whim.
this is what the story telling is missing witchqueen and lightfall campaign was getting there but playing these seasonal activities it always feels like our guardians are spectators and not really part of the world maybe dialogue options would help like other mmos
@@space5785 I like the story beats we have gotten, but yeah, it would be nice if instead of crow going to the meeting with zavala during chosen it was us, I will say it was nice that we were there during season of the witch when savathun got resurrected, here’s hoping that in episodes story beats like caitals forces eventually turn on us that we can be there on the frontlines
I think if the game wants to feel fresh and attract new players it would be interesting to have some other things to work towards or ways to interact with the game and other players. Like maybe some player housing on our ships or sparrow racing or just other fun activities that make the permanent state of the game feel more varied and alive. Because at the moment it all just feels pretty similar after being the same overall format for years. What exists right now is very good as a focused experience, but that’s not great at attracting new players
I agree. And I think there’s definitely people that do the actual work at bungie that know this and would implement some of this. But if it’s not profitable leadership won’t push for it. And then there’s when even the rank and file devs get burnt out…
Sparrow racing was fun for sure. In D1, it may have been annoying (hard to remember) but having to farm resources for upgrades forced us to patrol and go to different planets. I honestly dont remember the last time i patroled in D2. I dont even do it to get the weekly achievemet because i dont need dust. Roaming around patrolling and getting into random public events was fun. For me at least.
bro. you don’t like playing content because you don’t like the game. other people without your platform are chasing and having fun. people didn’t leave because of what you’re saying. they left because the game isn’t fun due to many of your suggestions. whenever you say “powercreep” my shoulder damn near breaks due to CRINGE! you and salgeppeto are so tedious. you’re both like a bad raid encounter. people aren’t stoked because of people like you. you helped get us here. the majority of content is NEW because lots of people cannot and have not done it. BECAUSE OF YOU we will not get new players. “game too easy”. remember...
I don't even think Destiny is in 2024... It's not even a real game until Final Shape... Bungie is doing nothing they fire all only cool people and then abandon PvP after promising to make more of it and then they delay a self-proclaimed "mediocre" Final Shape but only delay it a tiny amount there's no way therefore you can Say Destiny 2 is a game in 2024 and Sony and Tim Schaefer know this too they have even said to James Molarchy such as much .... We know this it's boring recycling season activity for last 19 season... We know this then so...
Here’s your daily reminder that “pOwEr CrEeP” doesn’t exist in Destiny and has maybe twice. It’s a nonsensical talking-point that’s easily defeated not only by what others can argue, but by the same words uttered by those who ignorantly cry about it. The perks in the beginning were just dogshit, so trying to cry “pOwEr CreEp” in response is asinine at best. No one can actually tell me what’s so absurdly broken and why it’s a problem. Not to mention many of these same people parrot the talking-points of, “Your gear doesn’t really matter, the game’s easy,” and, “We just use abilities now.” So which one is it? Guns are broken overpowered or so nonexistent you never have to worry about them?
So I haven't been able to play the game for two years now, I just got internet again recently. I think I last really played the first week of Witch Queen? I just wanted to say that it's not even just fatigue from playing too much, I've basically had a two year break and I came back to find the game a very bland confusing jumble. It probably sounds insane but there's just too much. Too many new abilities, too many new weapons with too many new perks, this new crafting thing. I find myself very frustrated and bored just sitting and reading a bunch just to understand shit instead of actually playing the game. I just don't feel attached to the characters anymore and when I complete activities I'm flooded with a bunch of weapons that I just don't know what to do with. My old favorites feel real weak but I understand them, there's just so much on these new ones. It's just all overwhelming. I mean, the new and returning player experience has never been good but yeah. I sorta wish we got a Destiny 3 at this point. I know this is a month old video but I figured I'd share my "i haven't completed the game and I'm still fatigued" perspective. I'm looking forward to whatever new content you decide to make and look into, you've been one of my favorite youtubers since I was introduced to your channel.
You know why people are fatigued with this game? Because nothing we do in this game matters and most of what we play has no staying power after you’ve done it once. It’s a technical blight on the game and D3 needs to happen. I’ve been saying it for 3 years - Destiny NEEDS Destiny 3…. And probably a complete wiping of the corporate leadership. This whole video is the summation of Bungie’ worst fears for Destiny - people are finally starting to just not care anymore. Part of that is just time, but a very large chunk is self inflicted.
I know Destiny 3 wouldn’t solve all the problems and also probably won’t happen but it seems like it would be the only way to bring new life into the game. Revamping armor, subclasses, gameplay and weapons must be so much harder when you’re building on so much old code (I know nothing about coding). Feels like it would’ve had to have been started ages ago and it’s now too little too late which is a bit sad.
destiny went directly the way people and content creator wanted it to go... people warned about many things and decisions since shadowkeep, yet here we are! instead of heavily needed changes, like dedicated servers for PVP or more freedom to new weapons and loot, everyone applauded the most obnoxious and dumb changes they gave us! destiny has begun dying a long time ago, but people, especially like this channel here, are so incredible dense and ignorant and especially horny for clicks and views, that bungie did literally what they did, because they simply could with a community like the one of destiny!! here are the consequences after years of mismanagement and ignorance! now please enjoy the game!! its what people wanted as it seems... since asking for solutions of root problems were never a thing! and THIS video is ofc the best example?!!
I'm not smart enough [and frankly, don't care enough] about Destiny 2 at this point to tell about what can be done better, but imo after years of doing news videos, reviews, video essays, information pieces about this game, you can absolutely take that knowledge and experience and apply it to gaming as a whole and expand this channel towards much broader horizons, becoming someone like SkillUp or YongYea. You'll lose some hardore Destiny stans that'll get triggered about you not talking about their favorite game, but those numbers will quickly get replaced by newer faces that'll like the new content.
honestly the biggest problem for me is: 1. There is no loot to grind, i have everything i want crafted, random drops are almost always inferior and i don't need new guns anyway. 2. nothing to do with all these weapons that i have. In d1 i farmed the normal strike playlist to have small chances on strike specific loot (looking at you imago loop) and for some reason it just never got stale. It did help that the D1 strike playlist had the difficulty of normal nightfalls and weren't such a snoozefest. D2 nightfall grinding get stale after like, 3 runs? Since you're just doing the same nightfall for the whole week anyway. Same goes for the season activities, its boring to do that 24/7 there aint enough variety. Most cool armor sets and ships/sparrows are in the eververse store so there aint much to chase in terms of that. Honestly last season it felt like i was playing because i had nothing better to play. Now i'm just playing different games
The "what do you do" question in this context only really has one answer- you dont really do anything. No human being is designed to do the same thing for 10 years and enjoy it at the sane time: thats not normal. Its the same "infinite growth" concept that CEOs of companies like to pedal. You should be able to pick up a game, play it, put it down. To be frank destiny actually reaching the 10 year mark in surprising more than anything, plenty of amazing memories for sure, but people need to learn when to move on to other things. If you're a content creator then its always good to have a backup anyway that goes without saying.
Burnout with Destiny is an issue created by Bungie. If the game had the basic things we’ve openly desired, and should’ve been in the game years ago, then burnout wouldn’t be an issue outside of a very small contingent. Core activities aren’t fleshed-out at all, no SRL, no player homes/apartments, PvP is a mess for no reason, no horde mode, too many Raids and Dungeons are wasted due to a lack of physical and vanity rewards, etc. I’ve said it constantly for years now, Destiny is a strong 6 months away from being the game we’ve always wanted it to be outside of the story/narrative, but Bungie has been the poison of the IP from the start.
Been around since the beginning, I don’t really know what held me during all the other lows but this time…. Man it’s weird, took a forced break may until now for school stuff and now that I have time I want to want to get back in but every time I sit down and think about some stuff to chase I just cannot get myself to care, I don’t want to leave before the ending but I already canceled the preorder and have logged on twice for maybe 20 minutes since the season launched. I don’t want to stop caring but I can’t really explain how it feels anymore and I feel like that’s relatable in this community nowadays, you want to want things to be better but leadership ruined any hope of that ever happening so what’s the point of logging on.
You do you, Datto. I'm helping new lights I. Our year old clan. Also, my Mom is in hospice so I am taking time off to spend time with family. I can rell you're burnt out and some of your content reflects this attitude. Back off from playing until you can see with fresh eyes, or do what many of us are doing and help new lights. Seeing the game from their perspective helps the burnout.
I think removing weapon crafting will do wonders. Imo my will to play slowly died since they added it because I know there's no rush and I can just get it whenever. And it also removed the magic that was destiny. Flexing your random rolls to your friends, grinding for it etc. that's all gone because your friends can just say "who cares , you can just craft it. "
I mean how many times can I do the same things over and over again? How many times can I do a slightly different seasonal activity you know? I’ve got the weapons I like to use and I’ve got my armor rolls. For me it was not raising the cap at the start of a season (hot take I know) but not having my power rest just didn’t give me any motivation to play when I could just grind really week one and I’m okay to do practically anything that comes out for the season. I’ve never cared about d2 story but to me still being time gated for quests is just lame but I think that’s just a me thing. I’m not sure if I’ll play final shape but we’ll have to see when the seasonal model changes.
I’m not bored of Destiny, I’m bored of their seasonal model. It’s the epitome of monotony. And after 10 years I’m still not impressed by their in game story telling. We are standing in rooms watching people talk and dissolve away or play the exact same mission over and over again for an audio dialogue at the end. Uninspired, bland , boring. The story boards they added are decent.
I went on my alt acct for the first time in 6 years, basically all of Destiny 2, the new experience is awful, no direction, all the materials you need to do anything. I just wanted to play story and that was fun, but the grind was so magnified. In pvp I get stomped cause everything, guns, gear is all so under whelming compared to the veterans. This game is so done.
I honestly think it's over for D2. And simply because of executives. It's sad to think that the best D2 i had was when bungie was under Activision. It was a good run i guess
Man just give me wrath and we are good, i am fucking itching to play that raid again. Don't care if someone thinks it ain't happening, i'll keep hoping
As a veteran that dipped out during opulence and only just returned for witch and wish, hearing you guys say these are some of the best seasons is sad! Rhey aren’t horrible but the repetitive weekly missions SUCK
"They've made a good start-" That's my issue right there. We're 10 years into a game series. I'm tired of waiting for things to start getting better. This is the point where it should be at its peak. The game is just not living up to its potential after 10 WHOLE YEARS.
My Destiny career has turned into.. log on, do the story, log off. I feel zero reason to do anything else. There's no bonus if I do other things. Newer weapons are not better. I've used the same weapons for two straight years now and they all work the same. I'm just waiting for the story to be over and Destiny to officially die.
Improving the free to play content should be a big focus because in the end when seasons end, it'll be one of the big things left. Big changes could be a over hall to gambit, all strikes being re added to the game, then a crucible update(which we kinda have coming)
Would like to add to the point that armor acquisition has lost all meaning for a lot of players by saying that class armor drops at max power are literally vanity items and nothing more. Each and every new class item only serves to provide a new transmog that most of us will not use. There is no reason in-gameplay that you would ever use another class item after acquiring your first artifice class item. This means that for those players approximately one in eight item drops is just garbage and bloat.
i have to be honest, the last time i genuinely had fun on destiny and wanted to play for more than just until the raid comes out was Beyond light. and before that was probably shadowkeep and every DLC before that. i bought every DLC since the house of wolves in destiny 1, which is when i first started playing, and i made the choice to stop buying DLCs after the witch queen. The magic of destiny has been long gone and it makes me very sad, because i will always say that destiny 1 from the taken king through the rise of iron will always be my favorite game ive ever played. If Bungie does decide to make a destiny 3, i will probably buy it, but i wont be staying on it if they cant figure out how to bring that magic back to the game.
Ever since Marathon was announced, im sure everyone has seen the writing on the wall of how it'll be the deathblow for Destiny going into maintenance mode.
All i really want from destiny 2 right now is everything to just settle down. That is to say, i wish bungie's side games they have been working on get released and dont tarnish the name of the company (any further), and i want these episodes and Final Shape to wrap up so bungie can hopefully begin to countersteer this game into a direction that is sustainable and healthy for the longevity of this game for new and old players after these 3 listed episodes end. I know Final shape and the 3 episodes afterwards wont bring me personally back to the game, but whatever is after the episodes i am hoping will. Am excited to see your new channel take off. Sure destiny brought me to your channel, but YOU kept me here with your charismatic commentary and rowdy group of friends, and I cant wait for you to become a youtuber, notbound by destiny.
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Re-uploaded because of too many audio mistakes and I'd rather fix them immediately than catch them 5 hours later and feel bad about it. Sorry for the interruption.
No problem Datto! Appreciate the effort put in to keep the quality there!
watched it in its entirety?? yes. i have succeeded
Honestly, having the takes in there really sold the desperation in the creeping and overwhelming apathy that’s around the game, even with people who have been a part of it for years now such as you and more regular players like myself. It’s real and it’s not going away like before. I know it wasn’t intentional, as why the edit is here, but you know… I got it, whether I read into that overlook a bit more than what it really was or not.
Not to be sappy, but I started playing D1 at launch and found your channel and eventually the rest of the crew as well. Missed out on Rise of Iron all the way till late Forsaken because I was gearing up to try and be a Paralympic professional athlete/get accolades and good grades to go to a good college, but I kept watching your stuff regardless of whatever was going on and I still will keep watching now. The only way I’m really staying with the game now is that my now wife wanted to start playing it with me, and I began to enjoy it again with her.
You do you; I found your second (hidden) project out of recommendations after being subbed to you for years. Whatever you and the crew decide to do, you’ll have plenty of us behind ya
Use your super !! Don't keep it!!!
I just thought you were slow clapping. True Video Datto I think Bungie just needs to do more procedural generation in dungeon, strikes, and activites. I am most engaged when I don't know what is coming. So if maps would pick from different enemy spawns, objectives and even change it up mid mission I think that would help with the same old same old feel.
man, I've been watching you since before destiny came out in 2014 which was middle school for me. I really hope to see your content to continue through my life as you are easily my favorite youtuber ever, as cringe as that sounds since I'm now 23. You've helped me out mentally with your content through the past decade and I hope you find success later, whatever I may take you.
Nah no cringe there brother, I feel the same way. I just wish Datto would pick up a fighting game
We love datto
22 now homie, and right there with you. It’s been such a journey. Datto is easily one of my favorite RUclipsrs and one of my favorites figures in the community. He means a lot to a lot of people, and I truly just want to see him succeed. He’s got to
It's not cringe to have some of a sentimental, youthful, and nostaligic side to you and anyone who tells you differently is dead wrong. Too many become lame by the time they turn into adults because "I'm an adult, I can only like adult things and do adult things - drink, work, politics, worrying about inflation, can only enjoy adult humor, etc" and become the most stale, bitter, and boring people out there. Hold on to some of that youth in your soul and never lose it :) It's fine for a game to be special to you and for content creators to be a comforting place.
Im the exact same, age and all. The D2 community has been a bright spot in my life. I hope to see it thrive again.
I've personally made the decision to hold off on buying the Final Shape until WELL after it launches, and then likely playing the campaign only and dipping on Destiny forever. After 3500+ hours of this game, I just can't do it anymore. I jumped back in this season because it was going to be a long one, and I could take it easy. I came in about 3 weeks late and I'm already feeling burnt. It shouldn't be this way folks. I should feel fresh enough to play again, but I don't.
I'm in the same boat as you, I played the dungeon with friends (probably the worst dungeon I might add, we did every encounters "mechanic" without knowing we did the mechanic) and that was it, I already felt burnt out after that.
Tbh that’s just you, you’ve played so much that no matter what the content will never suffice. I’m in the same boat but I guarantee there’s probably 90% of the player base that are more causal and don’t have everything in the game
@@bobisacoolguy3631you thought it was the worst dungeon? Vast majority of the community thinks its the best, can you elaborate while you don’t like it?
@@arjunramesh1681honestly it’s mid at very best, it’s dead easy and stale within the 3rd run, just like everything in this game, if the shop didn’t sell shaders for bright dust I would never log back in, it’s a new piece of content that already feels old, it’s the classic case of “oh that was a cool dungeon” and then you run it again and you know exactly what to do and it becomes something completely mechanical where you’re almost on auto pilot not paying attention to anything but the task at hand, then you’re off the your next encounter without paying attention to enemies or scenery along your way because once you’ve seen it, you’ve seen it, there’s no need to stand around in awe, every dungeon or piece of content becomes this repetitive cycle of not actually caring about the activity but just doing it for garbage loot you’ll inevitably dismantle, didn’t mean for this to be so long but yeh
@@arjunramesh1681 It's personally the worst for me, for the same reason that Vow is the wors raid for me. The enemies. Taken and ESPECIALLY the Scorn are my most hated enemy factions. I hate fighting against them. I hate their stupid glitchy movements or turning into mist. I played through the new dungeion once, enough to say i did it, and reach Guardian rank 10. The atmosphere and vibe of the Dungeon is cool. Would like it a lot more if it was actually the Fallen House of Kings. I also hate the mechanics of the dungeon. Oh go stand in that lantern, but wait there's taken goo everywhere that's going to siphon off your health. Oh you have this debuff that you have to transfer or you die, but haha you punched the wrong one and it didn't transfer, or haha you punched him and he immediately melee'd you back so now you have the debuff again and die to it.
"Datto describes marriage with Destiny" the video
Final segment hits hard
Hope everything is going okay for you, dude.
Do your thing. We'll be here.
Datto, I don't know if you're interested in doing this again, but I really liked your coaching on a legend lost sector video. If you did more coaching content, I would watch every bit of it! It would help us folks who haven't been playing forever. Much love sir.
I also like coaching videos, but I think a lot of them don't perform as well as they could (speaking generally here, not specifically about Datto or even D2). Watching a player fail to clear a lost sector for ten minutes of ingame time plus X minutes of paused commentary, with a lot of information and mistakes getting repeated, makes for a video that probably overstays its welcome.
Condensing the content into correcting individual mistakes rather than critiquing entire runs of activities could help make those things more digestible.
I know it would take a while to prepare but that shader game was some heat I would watch all of that
There HAS to be a new, comprehensive enemy faction added to the game. No reskinned taken or scorn, a fully unique race with tiered units and abilities.
IMO, Destiny needs to focus on Depth instead of Breadth - everything they've built so far is designed to be experienced once or a handful of times, not something that is meant to be run repeatedly.
Imagine if every season added more depth to one activity each year, making every run more varied or interesting.
When starfeild launched I stoped playing for six months and I just started 2 weeks ago and it felt good to be back 15:09
They could add more mods to armor. Raid armor doesn’t need to be relevant, just cool. Why not let me slot the raid armor mods on my armor for free? Set bonuses could be earned and treated as a third exotic.
Forcing a refarm would feel shallow. But adding to our arsenal would be nice. They can also add entirely new armor mods that don’t cost drain. Adding them as drops to bosses and specific enemies/activities.
Essentially we could use a way for armor to affect gameplay that isn’t just numbers. It’s hard enough to farm a set for the stats. And also: exotic armor catalysts would be fun.
The main reason i dropped the game was weapon crafting. As soon as that became the focus instead of typical looter, I didn't feel like engaging with the game. It basically made it so that if you don't have this specific weapon for this specific activity with these perks which you can only get if you spend all your time playing nothing but destiny, then you can never get any of the lfg stuff done. It became the quickest way to alienate people
Thx for this video
I have no solutions for destiny’s future state but everything I have done in destiny after light fall has felt halllow and forced.
The spell has broken and unless bungie can fix that destiny will never recover.
@18:35 beef up the Eververse catalgoue, what else?
I miss destiny 1 beating vault of glass with the boys and being so fucking excited the good times.
Datto there is only 1 problem ...
Battlegrounds in the nightfall rotation and strike playlist .
The forum is filled with it
You play the game for a living .
You already have the best loot possible .
Do you like playing battlegrounds ??
Then ask for a seperate battleground playlist ?
Bungo listens to streamers you know 😉
PvP needs to be a focus point. Story needs to be at the forefront actively all the time not every 6 months.
Humble Bundle has everything except dungeon keys for 40 dollars on steam.
For the final question, the solution is to make a new game (as in marathon). Worked with Halo, should work again with Destiny.
I’m grinding gambit wins this season. I just crossed over 600 wins. I’m chasing a breakneck and still haven’t gotten the 5/5 three perks
I felt that gameplay footage at 12:37 in my soul.
and 6:43
Misadventure and screeeeebs😡
Average day in destiny
Talking about this game's issues and how the game could improve is a hobby all of it's own
😂😂 enjoying to shit on Destiny2 meanwhile we Love the Game!
its a fantastic Game with unlimited potential!
But they Ruined it by Turning the game into Casual paradise! Endgame Dead...Rewards doesnt matter,,,its Mid Casual as best!
I remember Destiny was the most hardcore Game ever...joe blackburn and Their DEi really did 💩 on the game!
a Common meme says : the Only thing can kill Destiny is Bungie!
@@blueberry4Us "Destiny was the most hardcore game ever"
lol
@@blueberry4Usyou’re schizo
Anyone else remember the Clap cuts? Peppridge farms remembers...
I was there, Gandalf. I was there three thousand years ago.
Do not speak the forbidden texts... i was there when they were written.
i watched and then reloaded and the video was removed 😞
I've seen that sort of thing in videos from other RUclipsrs (usually in service of speed) but here I kind of thought it was a stylistic choice tbh, leaving in part of the usually excised production to illustrate how burnt out he's feeling right now.
I thought he was just being transparently funny 😂
Hearing that you’re having to delay your sabbatical to 2025 hit me way harder than I had anticipated. I’ve been a long time viewer since crota challenge modes with math class. You have been a huge part of my gaming enjoyment and I couldn’t imagine being as invested in this game had it not been for you. You deserve a rest good sir. Please don’t push yourself to the breaking point on our account. Better to have you take a step back and come back reinvigorated than run yourself off a cliff trying to keep up. I can’t speak for everyone but I can certainly say I’d be ready to welcome you as if you’d never left.
It’s not even that, he can’t leave cause of the money. It’s his livelihood so there’s no way he can leave with making revenue to support himself
Yeah it's hard when destiny sucks now
@@jaythanislost4666 Its his own fault for building his channel around one mediocre at best game.
Bruh just take a break if you need, people know your Mr Destiny we’ll be here wether you are not I personally watch old videos or play other games when there’s no content find entertainment or relaxation where you can my man 👍✌️👌
Nah it’s boohoo poor RUclipsr whiny bs. He makes more than most people and has the gall cry about not getting a break
I know youtube in 2024 is an entirely different beast from 2014, and I know Destiny falling off is a terrifying outlook for you no matter what, but some of my all time favorite videos from you are the custom raid challenges in D1 years 1 and 2. "I left the guns on the ship" will always make me smile, and I hope you can keep in mind that even when destiny was giving you almost nothing to work with, you still made amazing content. Your success - while sometimes proportional to - will never be fully dependent on destiny's success.
I think a big difference now though is that we can't forgive the game now. Back then, the sin was a lack of consistent content, but the expansion itself was banger. As a result, we kind of wanted to love and engage with the game. Nowadays, it can feel like we have too much destiny slop to wade through, and we don't necessarily want even more destiny content in our lives.
@@sauceinmyface9302 that’s a good point!
A sad reality of games is always the hype/new factor. When a new game comes out no matter what it is it usually brings people in and they stick with it forming a community. I've seen tons of games from mobile games to triple A where you get people in and there's a lot of "no hit boss kills" "cleared this content never using supers/ultimates" etc.
As games evolve and content/powercreep sets in it can be harder to define what rules equate to skill. When games launch and they are fresh and exciting there is also usually more easily understood mechanics that people can attempt to master.
I have a lot of nostalgia for Destiny and a few other games like old Halo. I know it's gloomy for Datto and it's one of the reasons I resent American capitalism that we all need to toil so hard just to live so we can't make the things we want to make.
End rant/
For those out of the loop of what Datto mentioned by "New stuff coming", here's a list:
January: End of the exotic mission
February: Moments of Triumphs and "wishes" which are like story content missions but smaller apparently.
March: Guardian Games
April-May: PvP map pack and Into the light, something like the 30th Anniversary but on a smaller scale.
June: TFS Releases
Wow how fun 😐
Wow 😐
We’re fucked till June 😂
Translation…….more meaningless destiny, but dont worry, we hear you, please preorder final shape & we will fix it
@@LordDelCasaget a job
“The Destiny spell on me is kind of breaking” hit a bit more heavy-handed than I expected. I broke my years-long streak with Elden Ring… and then Cyberpunk, and then Dead Space, and then Baldur’s Gate… I love this franchise so deeply. I’ve sunk thousands of hours into it and it’s amounted to a few hours a week as of late. It hurts, but I’ll be damned if I don’t see it through… after that? Who knows?
I’m tired of coming back over and over again… Fatigue is real. Take care of yourselves, and experience other things, y’all deserve it, the community deserves it.
Exactly the same for me, maybe get on destiny for like and hour or two, or help a friend with a quick dungeon than back to any other game. On my second playthrough for baldur’s gate and that’s helping time fly by
I really feel that the game fell of hard after the mars expansion in D2. Loved all of D1, maybe it was just fatigue but those high level of expansions never really returned once bungie took over. I still enjoy the People such as Datto catch up with the story by watching instead of playing. The game just feels stale since forsaken imo.
I really hope you can find success in something else soon Datto. I’ve seen this video a thousand times before. I used to be hooked on Destiny but haven’t played for years now and it sounds like I haven’t missed anything. Good luck man.
I really do believe the DCV and seasonal model have already killed Destiny’s longevity, it’s just currently on a crash course that will end with TFS.
Good new player onboarding is not possible without the start of your story in the game, so old players are falling off at a way higher rate. From my experience, the general public just knows that Bungie ripped people’s purchased content away from them, and all the gear that players grinded got taken away only to be resold. No one has faith it won’t happen again, and with the continued garbage from the Starter Pack to Transmog’s monetization, Bungie give players no reason to trust them.
The only possibility for things to become great, in my view, is if everything in the DCV came back. That’s very nearly impossible, which is what has me thinking this game has no hope for further longevity
At this point they should do what WoW does, include all prior content when you buy the most recent expansion.
how can they do that when you can't even access content you did purchase for... reasons?
I think destiny needs to add the ability to earn cosmetics that we actually want via the pinnacle content in the game like the ultimate raids in FFXIV or mythic raids in WoW
My main problem with D2 is the corny and blatant FOMO business model. I'm tired of having to mark certain days on the calander just cause X weapon or Y raid ia in rotation then etc. It's just so stale
I long for consolidation. I can’t help but think of Crota’s End and House of Wolves when Datto talks about “fewer, larger setpieces”. The issue is Destiny is massive, and it is two games; its nigh impossible to piece together a congruent story - callbacks to the Ishtar Collective in Lightfall fall on deaf ears, and narratives can’t be followed when you miss out on one season and suddenly Saladin becomes Valus Forge, the Ahamkara return, or Osiris making no note upon his Prophecies as they happen- “Two siblings cleaved by time and space” . So much of Destiny insists on its own lore, that is now either not available, or available only on last-gen consoles nearly a decade old. Even if there was no Comet/End of Year release, its not like people aren’t dying for a temporary ease on the content after The Final Shape. Hopefully the talent that went into designing so much of the original and sunset campaigns can be consolidated by a group of writers who now finally know where they are headed, not to some intangible darkness, and can translate as much over into the new engine as possible during perhaps a ‘gap year’, supporting themselves through vEpisodes, to form one fully fledged true and strong narrative, before forging onwards into whatever comes after the final shape.
Wait, Saladin is what now?
Caityl made him Valus Forge when witch queen dropped@@imscaryskeleton5446
well said
@@imscaryskeleton5446point proven. saladin became a commander in caitals army to save crow from being murdered by caital in season of the chosen(?)
@@SSJGaelY0it was Risen
Chosen is when we were first introduced to caital
1. No way to target farm specific exotics. Only option for the playerbase are lost sectors on the correct day that you may or may not have to run for hours because everything is rng.
1a. You could spend an entire server day until reset farming in a lost sector only to come out of that grind with nothing, one bad roll of the exotic, or something adjacent to the word "decent".
2. No incentive to farm Master raids outside of achievements, lmao.
2b. Adept loot obtained from Master raids are meaningless in the meta.
3. Xur has sold bad rolls, of mid or bad exotics/gear, for the past 2 years. There is no reason to go and see him. It is a waste of time and effort.
4. The best way, currently, to farm artifice armor is through dungeons. That's a problem.
5. The player is not given the opportunity to use materials to increase the stats on armor.
6. Most raid exotics are tied to rng and nothing but rng. That is a dumpster-fire tier design choice made by people looking at a spreadsheet whose interest in "player engagement" doesn't extend past playtime.
7. The discrepancy of exotic armor and their effects when compared to the other choices from each class swings so wildly in both effectiveness and fun a person would be forgiven for mistaking that data for a jumping monkey from the amazon rainforest.
8. Focusing costs entirely too much regardless of the vendor or the item in question. The prices are egregious across the board, no exceptions.
9. Exotic focusing requiring a cipher is a joke so stale that makes even Activision mad they didn't think of something like that first.
10. If you aren't trying to boost your light level, there are absolutely no logical reasons or theoretical thought processes in existence that would be able to justify playing the strike playlist.
11. Gambit was dropped so hard and fast that it made deadbeat dad's grabbing milk and cigarettes from the store stop to take notes on how to leave behind your failures.
12. PvP is stale. They are working on it. The map pack coming needs to have more than 6 maps, 3 of them need to be large maps, we need a "Classic" node where you don't spawn with heavy or special and you have to fight over who gets to take the ammo from a crate. Bring back tanks and pikes on the large maps.
13. Bungie, you lost this battle of public opinion. Bring back SRL.
14. Mod energy on armor, especially exotic armor, needs to be increased to allow for more mods.
14b. Raid mods should require absolutely 0 (zero, cero, zilch, nada) energy.
That is all for now.
Greatly put - QOL/Convenience does not = fun. Maintenance is never enough for ongoing games. Destiny needs new and methinks Bungie just ain’t got it but we’ll see
i really find myself struggling to stay engaged with the game and its so sad because i love destiny and i want to be hooked i really do, but its fading :(
Im going to assume this reupload removes the clapping 😭
Can we admit now that crafting killed the game? Literally no point in grinding these game modes since we can just craft the god rolls in less than a few days
100%
Man you play every day, your experience is nothing like what it is for the majority of workers. I HATE YOUR PERSPECTIVE DATTO. STOP DEMANDING A LOOT GRIND!!!!!!!!! STOP TURNING DESTINY INTO A JOB. Let us play a game for fun instead of a job. Let me play pvp instead of stupid repetitive crap. The format is fine, the tediousness and amount of grind sucks. This is one of the worst review.s. Doing 60 raids for exotics is just unbelievalbly rediculous.. having 100 coil runs is good for streamers. To say this super grind seasonal content is the best is just a lie. HAVING TEDIOUS FAILABLE GRIEFABLE SEASONAL CONTENT IS A HORRIBLE IDLE. EVERY BIT OF GRIND NEEDS TO BE REDUCED BY A FACTOR OF 10. 15 coils in a season instead of 150 to unlock redborder guns. 100 kills on catalysts instead of 150, 3 runs on each character for a dungeon instead of 30. The amount of exotics I don't have from playing almost every free moment I can free up makes me HATE RUclipsRS FOR PRAISING THIS CRAP AND DEVS FOR NEVER LISTENING TO NORMAL PEOPLE. Most of the time I just want to get on and play a pvp match instead of grind rediuculous crap. This is the worst review I've seen in such a long time. NOBODY IS COMING BACK BECAUSE THE DEVS DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU WANT FOR A JOB. PEOPLE WANT A GAME.
I feel Bungie took too long on switching off of seasons that it's damaged the game for sure and that's not even factoring in other factors that damaged the game as well. Needless to say, Destiny 2 is not in a good state. Like Datto said, I think the leadership of the company are pretty much hampering the game and not allowing the game to thrive.
On the loot grind, I feel that RNG is pretty bad for armor so building another set is not really looked at for most people, especially if it involves armor sets from raids and such. Maybe if we could raise the stats of the armor higher gradually to be near the cap, that a lot of us veterans already have on our default gear, so getting that extra set won't be a pain in the butt and essentially weaken yourself if you decide to wear it? There's not really a lot that can be done for weapons at this point I feel other than balancing/changing existing perks to be more appealing and adding in new perks every now and then.
Also, one thing I think needs to go are champions. Yes, it was good that subclass abilities and such can stun them, but I think most people would've just preferred to have them removed.
Havent watched you in a while. Just gonna say this.
You dont need destiny. Destiny needs you at this point.
I think youve given this game enough. Play whatever you want to play and people will still watch.
Peace
I been on and off since pre ordering Vanilla Destiny. For me I leave when I get fatigued from this game, and always come back. I recently came back and I'm having a great time. I feel bad for those who have stayed the whole time and keep grinding away @ the same content. The key to Destiny has always been play until its boring and go play some new Triple A games and return. Don't make it a chore. Content creation in a gray area and its the bread and butter money maker so thats understandable.
No reason to limit that concept to AAA games. Many indie games are out there providing experiences that AAA devs simply aren't interested in, and doing a stellar job of it, too. Some favorites of mine you may have heard of: Sea of Stars, The Messenger, Hollow Knight, Celeste, Inscryption, Tunic, Neon White, Rivals of Aether (probably wait for Rivals 2 tbh), Metal: Hellsinger, and VVVVVV. I'll also throw in Hades, even though I haven't played it yet, because I enjoyed two of Supergiant's previous titles (Transistor and Bastion) and Hades really put them on the map for a lot of people.
Seriously, the number of games out there that don't get attention because they're not attached to the big name nickle-and-dime developers is criminal.
I would also not describe Baldur's Gate 3 as indie, but that game is such an achievement on so many levels that I can't help but bring it up either. It puts every AAA game I've ever played to shame. One of the very few games that actually deserves the level of hype that big game releases get, made by people who actually care! And I'm the sort of person who gets outright contrarian when I feel like a game is being talked about too much (which has likely saved my wallet a fair bit in the long run).
@life-destiny1196 very true
I havent spoken to or know of anyone who plans to keep playing post Final Shape... everyone is just waiting for that conclusion to the Light/Dark saga. Whatever ends up happening here, I hope u find success in your next chapter. Ill continue to watch regardless. Cheers
As a solo player, Fireteam Finder has been a game changer. Previously, Matchmade content were too easy for my power level while finding fireteam to play harder content was a pain in the a** (especially as French, even if I speak quite good English, people are just jerks).
My biggest complaints are:
- Nightfall should be a playlist (small one sure, but 1 map per week is too few to make it fun to play a lot for a casual player).
- With Titan reappearing in S21 I honestly thought we would get the full planet back (including one of my favourite Strike).
- Gambit... what to say more than just "do something, update it or shelf it but do something".
Did you never use the destiny app. Its basically the fireteam finder but easier to use
It doesn’t work very well on xbox.
It’s locked for me and I’m level 6 lmao
Same idk how it works im still locked out of it. @BLTGVon
@@ghostridernz17 it’s so damn annoying because I just wanted to do 2 things mannnnnn
It's kind of sad hearing Datto talk about Destiny tbh. Idk it's like an actor in your favorite show talking about never wanting to reprise that role again. Happy for Datto though to be trying new things he's passionate about
I'm confident this will get lost in the sea of comments, but the main reason I dropped as a 4,000 hour plus player was Lightfall's push to kill the casual side of play. They didn't make the game harder, they just removed the bottom half of the difficulty curve for those who enjoyed the game that way. I loved running the second tier of nightfalls before they changed the level aspect. I just want a comfy casual game and they've decided that making the game less accessible is better. I don't grasp it.
Crafted weapons are good in theory, but I think that their implementation takes away from what Destiny is supposed to be.
I have confidence in two things. Either The Final Shape will be the single best thing that Destiny will ever see and will bring confidence back to the franchise, or Destiny will die after TFS and Bungie with it.
I mainly want TFS' story/conclusion to be good & Bungie to do the Witness justice, as someone who's been following the story the past decade & mainly cares about that. & after the conflict with the Witness is resolved idk if I'll be interested as much, just gotta wait & see
I don't think Final Shape is gonna be bad... but I do realize, when a Bungie franchise is over, they don't tend to have carry over players. Like I haven't ran into a lot of Halo fans, and Halo franchise without bungie hasn't really done well either.
This is the end…
I won’t forget that day I randomly met you in person at PAX with Mr Fruit, Datto. Both of you were very kind. As a sub and fellow guardian I hope you’re doing good brotha despite recent events with bungie and the community. I’m staying optimistic for final shape. Don’t get burned out man just take a break and come back when you’re ready. I’ve been here since 2014 like many others on this journey for 9 years. Whatever comes next guardians in the final shape let’s face it together
Here’s some stuff I would love to see and I think would actually entice me to play more of the game again
- New enemy races
- A new class entirely
- A new tier of weapons/gear (power creep doe)
- Legend/master strike playlist
- Something akin to the Coil but with significantly more variety (like a lot more variety)
- A competitive PvE mode of some sort (Gambit clearly ain’t it)
- Something akin to Path of Exiles mapping system w/ randomly generated areas, scaling difficulty and bosses to progress towards. Bonus points if I could use my constantly maxed out currencies to modify that reward structure & gameplay loop
I understand a lot of this stuff is probably unrealistic but post Final shape if the game wants to survive they need to try SOMETHING interesting. Coil is okay but it’s just that, okay. Try a tower defense mode, try a season with base building, try a season where crafting gets some wild options like the ‘craftening’. Raids/dungeons and the occasional GMs are cool but the game is so stagnant and seems to move at an absolutely glacial pace. I guess it kinda worked cause they got 10 years out of it but the ship is clearly going down and ol captain Blackburn isn’t gonna be able to save it this time. Either go maintenance mode and let the ship sink while you pursue something people at Bungie are actually passionate about or take some god damn risks, please.
What are your thoughts for episodes being similar to Poe’s dlcs? One thing I like about Poe is even when I take a break n have no idea what’s happening in the new league I can interact with the mechanic at the very beginning and learn from there n it’ll eventually scale up. I thought for destiny it would be cool after we defeat the witness one of the consequences is something like corruption n light and dark is corrupting the land and the enemies as well so right now we have gms so it would be corrupt as a added tier and the enemies are augmented with all light or dark powers the map is changed visually and a mechanic like maybe after killing a certain amount of dark enemies they drop a orb that completely augments your dark powers making them do crazy stuff for a limited amount of time same with light, and maybe after getting enough light or dark points there’s a vendor where you can make a light or dark orb and completely augment and upgrade light or dark abilities.
Its sad because I want to play Final Shape to get it done and out of the way, like a chore. Not because I care. I wish it wasn’t like this
Crafting isn’t hurting Destiny. The INSANELY PUNISHING RNG iS what hurt Destiny.
Im just sick of all the nerfs when there are still exotics that are literal dog water tier. Bungie is on thin ice, and STILL finding ways to make an already mid game even less enjoyable.
You say this but, this year has brought more buffs to mid exotics than any other year.
@karson2022 they were garbage buffs. Every update is nothing but nerfs to shit people enjoy. Stop being a Desticle.
@@GFlight.916 I dunno bout that one man, solar hunter getting a bunch of good buffs. Void titans getting a captain falcon knee that does big damage. Reverting of renewal grasps. Among a bunch of others
@@karson2022 wdym they nerfed ahamkaras to the ground
@@karson2022 tf does any of that have to do with exotics getting nerfed and trash still being trash? Your argument is falling apart.
Looks like Jez is rubbing off on you even more coming into this year with that sponsor bit
I would love if GM Nightfalls took the WoW Mythic Plus Dungeon system where you climb more and more difficult versions to get better rewards but Bungie would have to completely revamp how rewards and power levels work for that to work.
Stuff like that is pointless. You're either gonna run the hardest one for the best rewards or you're gonna run whatever difficulty gives the best reward for the least amount of effort. It's a waste of resources.
gm nightfalls already dont see a lot of players that change wouldnt help the majority so i doubt that happens
@@oxsila having played a fair amount of WoW years ago: mythic+ scales infinitely, with the only real cap being the mathematical limits of what damage the players can put out and endure (because WoW is an RPG, so you can end up in situations where beating XYZ thing is impossible because your level is too low or your gear is too weak). There is no "hardest one," and in fact a fair amount of content is/was made based on trying to set new records for the most difficult successful run of mythic+ dungeons.
The closest Destiny translation of the concept I can think of would look like this: rather than having one set GM you run to completion like a regular strike, finishing a GM loads you into another randomly chosen GM with a slightly (but cumulatively) tougher light level cap, with the rewards increasing based on how tough said light level cap is, and with wipes knocking you back down to a less severe light level cap. Right now the Coil is the closest thing Destiny has to that, but you'd need to remove the hard cap of four runs and also remove Riven/glass shards. Also, you can leave between runs and come back without losing progress.
We had something like that it was called Haunted Forest and it didn't take long until people were bored of it. Only now that it's vaulted are people saying they miss it. A lot of casuals already complain about A platinum coil run taking too long lol@@life-destiny1196
Or maybe an actual endgame activity? Maybe a planet that’s specifically made for endgame so you need to be fully kitted out and has a bunch of new endgame activities and stuff to chase. I don’t play destiny anymore since warframe cross save released but destiny needs to stop with just slapping grandmasters difficulty on everything n be like “ok guys here’s your endgame”. It’s incredibly repetitive and boring.
Your state of mind for playing the game is pretty much mine. Do the seasonal story and anything that's time gated...and that's it. I've already got all the season patterns, am happy with the armor I've got, and have a handful of the raid titles that I wanted.
I still come back because the shoot gun, see explosion is still unrivaled for me, but nowadays, I play other games. 😊
Just my anecdote, but I’m coming back to the game for season of the wish and final shape after not playing since shadowkeep. It’s been great running through so much content I missed, and I can’t wait to see what they have in store for us.
I never wanted a D3 because I didnt want to loose my loot again like what happened with D1 and D2. I now would rather take a D3. D1 is frozen in time and I can go back and play it for fun and experience my old loot again. I could do the same with D2 if a D3 happened. A D3 I feel wouldve grabbed new players. Its bigger than an expansion and everyone is on the same playing field and would be more inviting for new players. We also wouldnt need a dcv. Old content is still there you just need to go and play the older game like any other game. I think a game like destiny dosnt work as a live service like other games espicially when its the second game of the franchise and a lot of content with story has been removed. But if a D3 was to happen it would HAVE to be good.
My biggest thing is I’m expecting episodes to be more expensive than seasons, there’s no way they stay the same price, especially since 1 episode is included in final shape, and with there only being 2 more instead of the regular 4 for seasons they’re missing out on a quarter of their seasonal revenue, aside from that I’m really hoping our guardian has more of a central role in the stories going forward, it honestly kinda doesn’t feel great to play the seasonal activity then watch other people talk about what’s going to happen in the grand scheme of things, it would’ve been so much better to have done a live event like seraph this season where like the week before final shape comes out, our guardian goes through the portal then final shape comes out
Im the opposite. I fully expect episodes to have equal or less content than seasons now. For a few reasons. Bungie just lost a good chunk of their staff. Its already a reduction on content cycles, and they are coming after the game's supposed finale.
The already confirmed episodes are 15 USD dollars each instead of 12 USD which imo is better for 2 reasons
1. It's cheaper over a full year, 45 USD instead of 48
2. You could only buy packs of silver in 1k and 1.5k so you couldn't buy the exact amount needed for a season, now you'll be able to again
@@uncoveredkhan09gaming38 Its insane people already forgot they raised season prices to that level less than a year ago just to get more money from people, and now call a second raise of prices a positive because it matches in game currency purchases which they have full control over and change change on a whim.
this is what the story telling is missing witchqueen and lightfall campaign was getting there but playing these seasonal activities it always feels like our guardians are spectators and not really part of the world maybe dialogue options would help like other mmos
@@space5785 I like the story beats we have gotten, but yeah, it would be nice if instead of crow going to the meeting with zavala during chosen it was us, I will say it was nice that we were there during season of the witch when savathun got resurrected, here’s hoping that in episodes story beats like caitals forces eventually turn on us that we can be there on the frontlines
I think if the game wants to feel fresh and attract new players it would be interesting to have some other things to work towards or ways to interact with the game and other players. Like maybe some player housing on our ships or sparrow racing or just other fun activities that make the permanent state of the game feel more varied and alive. Because at the moment it all just feels pretty similar after being the same overall format for years. What exists right now is very good as a focused experience, but that’s not great at attracting new players
I agree. And I think there’s definitely people that do the actual work at bungie that know this and would implement some of this. But if it’s not profitable leadership won’t push for it. And then there’s when even the rank and file devs get burnt out…
Sparrow racing was fun for sure. In D1, it may have been annoying (hard to remember) but having to farm resources for upgrades forced us to patrol and go to different planets. I honestly dont remember the last time i patroled in D2. I dont even do it to get the weekly achievemet because i dont need dust. Roaming around patrolling and getting into random public events was fun. For me at least.
Good old datto bringing my only opinion into my sub feed
did bro just say "we're in 2024 now in case you're not keeping track of the time"?
Reupload? I’ll watch it again
bro. you don’t like playing content because you don’t like the game. other people without your platform are chasing and having fun. people didn’t leave because of what you’re saying. they left because the game isn’t fun due to many of your suggestions.
whenever you say “powercreep” my shoulder damn near breaks due to CRINGE! you and salgeppeto are so tedious. you’re both like a bad raid encounter.
people aren’t stoked because of people like you. you helped get us here. the majority of content is NEW because lots of people cannot and have not done it.
BECAUSE OF YOU we will not get new players. “game too easy”. remember...
I don't even think Destiny is in 2024... It's not even a real game until Final Shape... Bungie is doing nothing they fire all only cool people and then abandon PvP after promising to make more of it and then they delay a self-proclaimed "mediocre" Final Shape but only delay it a tiny amount there's no way therefore you can Say Destiny 2 is a game in 2024 and Sony and Tim Schaefer know this too they have even said to James Molarchy such as much
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We know this it's boring recycling season activity for last 19 season...
We know this then so...
Here’s your daily reminder that “pOwEr CrEeP” doesn’t exist in Destiny and has maybe twice. It’s a nonsensical talking-point that’s easily defeated not only by what others can argue, but by the same words uttered by those who ignorantly cry about it. The perks in the beginning were just dogshit, so trying to cry “pOwEr CreEp” in response is asinine at best. No one can actually tell me what’s so absurdly broken and why it’s a problem. Not to mention many of these same people parrot the talking-points of, “Your gear doesn’t really matter, the game’s easy,” and, “We just use abilities now.”
So which one is it? Guns are broken overpowered or so nonexistent you never have to worry about them?
So I haven't been able to play the game for two years now, I just got internet again recently. I think I last really played the first week of Witch Queen? I just wanted to say that it's not even just fatigue from playing too much, I've basically had a two year break and I came back to find the game a very bland confusing jumble. It probably sounds insane but there's just too much. Too many new abilities, too many new weapons with too many new perks, this new crafting thing. I find myself very frustrated and bored just sitting and reading a bunch just to understand shit instead of actually playing the game. I just don't feel attached to the characters anymore and when I complete activities I'm flooded with a bunch of weapons that I just don't know what to do with. My old favorites feel real weak but I understand them, there's just so much on these new ones. It's just all overwhelming. I mean, the new and returning player experience has never been good but yeah. I sorta wish we got a Destiny 3 at this point.
I know this is a month old video but I figured I'd share my "i haven't completed the game and I'm still fatigued" perspective. I'm looking forward to whatever new content you decide to make and look into, you've been one of my favorite youtubers since I was introduced to your channel.
You know why people are fatigued with this game? Because nothing we do in this game matters and most of what we play has no staying power after you’ve done it once. It’s a technical blight on the game and D3 needs to happen. I’ve been saying it for 3 years - Destiny NEEDS Destiny 3…. And probably a complete wiping of the corporate leadership.
This whole video is the summation of Bungie’ worst fears for Destiny - people are finally starting to just not care anymore. Part of that is just time, but a very large chunk is self inflicted.
I know Destiny 3 wouldn’t solve all the problems and also probably won’t happen but it seems like it would be the only way to bring new life into the game. Revamping armor, subclasses, gameplay and weapons must be so much harder when you’re building on so much old code (I know nothing about coding). Feels like it would’ve had to have been started ages ago and it’s now too little too late which is a bit sad.
destiny went directly the way people and content creator wanted it to go...
people warned about many things and decisions since shadowkeep, yet here we are! instead of heavily needed changes, like dedicated servers for PVP or more freedom to new weapons and loot, everyone applauded the most obnoxious and dumb changes they gave us!
destiny has begun dying a long time ago, but people, especially like this channel here, are so incredible dense and ignorant and especially horny for clicks and views, that bungie did literally what they did, because they simply could with a community like the one of destiny!!
here are the consequences after years of mismanagement and ignorance! now please enjoy the game!! its what people wanted as it seems... since asking for solutions of root problems were never a thing!
and THIS video is ofc the best example?!!
I'm not smart enough [and frankly, don't care enough] about Destiny 2 at this point to tell about what can be done better, but imo after years of doing news videos, reviews, video essays, information pieces about this game, you can absolutely take that knowledge and experience and apply it to gaming as a whole and expand this channel towards much broader horizons, becoming someone like SkillUp or YongYea. You'll lose some hardore Destiny stans that'll get triggered about you not talking about their favorite game, but those numbers will quickly get replaced by newer faces that'll like the new content.
honestly the biggest problem for me is:
1. There is no loot to grind, i have everything i want crafted, random drops are almost always inferior and i don't need new guns anyway.
2. nothing to do with all these weapons that i have.
In d1 i farmed the normal strike playlist to have small chances on strike specific loot (looking at you imago loop) and for some reason it just never got stale. It did help that the D1 strike playlist had the difficulty of normal nightfalls and weren't such a snoozefest. D2 nightfall grinding get stale after like, 3 runs? Since you're just doing the same nightfall for the whole week anyway.
Same goes for the season activities, its boring to do that 24/7 there aint enough variety.
Most cool armor sets and ships/sparrows are in the eververse store so there aint much to chase in terms of that.
Honestly last season it felt like i was playing because i had nothing better to play. Now i'm just playing different games
The "what do you do" question in this context only really has one answer- you dont really do anything. No human being is designed to do the same thing for 10 years and enjoy it at the sane time: thats not normal. Its the same "infinite growth" concept that CEOs of companies like to pedal. You should be able to pick up a game, play it, put it down.
To be frank destiny actually reaching the 10 year mark in surprising more than anything, plenty of amazing memories for sure, but people need to learn when to move on to other things. If you're a content creator then its always good to have a backup anyway that goes without saying.
Burnout with Destiny is an issue created by Bungie. If the game had the basic things we’ve openly desired, and should’ve been in the game years ago, then burnout wouldn’t be an issue outside of a very small contingent.
Core activities aren’t fleshed-out at all, no SRL, no player homes/apartments, PvP is a mess for no reason, no horde mode, too many Raids and Dungeons are wasted due to a lack of physical and vanity rewards, etc. I’ve said it constantly for years now, Destiny is a strong 6 months away from being the game we’ve always wanted it to be outside of the story/narrative, but Bungie has been the poison of the IP from the start.
Been around since the beginning, I don’t really know what held me during all the other lows but this time…. Man it’s weird, took a forced break may until now for school stuff and now that I have time I want to want to get back in but every time I sit down and think about some stuff to chase I just cannot get myself to care, I don’t want to leave before the ending but I already canceled the preorder and have logged on twice for maybe 20 minutes since the season launched.
I don’t want to stop caring but I can’t really explain how it feels anymore and I feel like that’s relatable in this community nowadays, you want to want things to be better but leadership ruined any hope of that ever happening so what’s the point of logging on.
You do you, Datto. I'm helping new lights I. Our year old clan. Also, my Mom is in hospice so I am taking time off to spend time with family.
I can rell you're burnt out and some of your content reflects this attitude. Back off from playing until you can see with fresh eyes, or do what many of us are doing and help new lights. Seeing the game from their perspective helps the burnout.
I think removing weapon crafting will do wonders. Imo my will to play slowly died since they added it because I know there's no rush and I can just get it whenever. And it also removed the magic that was destiny. Flexing your random rolls to your friends, grinding for it etc. that's all gone because your friends can just say "who cares , you can just craft it. "
Just hoping 2024 is a good year for us 🤙 have fun, stay safe out there and look after one another. See you out there Guardians
theres no sugarcoating it, if final shape flops the game is dead. really everything this year depends on final shape
I mean how many times can I do the same things over and over again? How many times can I do a slightly different seasonal activity you know? I’ve got the weapons I like to use and I’ve got my armor rolls. For me it was not raising the cap at the start of a season (hot take I know) but not having my power rest just didn’t give me any motivation to play when I could just grind really week one and I’m okay to do practically anything that comes out for the season. I’ve never cared about d2 story but to me still being time gated for quests is just lame but I think that’s just a me thing. I’m not sure if I’ll play final shape but we’ll have to see when the seasonal model changes.
I’m not bored of Destiny, I’m bored of their seasonal model. It’s the epitome of monotony. And after 10 years I’m still not impressed by their in game story telling. We are standing in rooms watching people talk and dissolve away or play the exact same mission over and over again for an audio dialogue at the end. Uninspired, bland , boring. The story boards they added are decent.
I went on my alt acct for the first time in 6 years, basically all of Destiny 2, the new experience is awful, no direction, all the materials you need to do anything. I just wanted to play story and that was fun, but the grind was so magnified. In pvp I get stomped cause everything, guns, gear is all so under whelming compared to the veterans. This game is so done.
I honestly think it's over for D2. And simply because of executives. It's sad to think that the best D2 i had was when bungie was under Activision. It was a good run i guess
Man just give me wrath and we are good, i am fucking itching to play that raid again. Don't care if someone thinks it ain't happening, i'll keep hoping
As a veteran that dipped out during opulence and only just returned for witch and wish, hearing you guys say these are some of the best seasons is sad! Rhey aren’t horrible but the repetitive weekly missions SUCK
"They've made a good start-"
That's my issue right there. We're 10 years into a game series. I'm tired of waiting for things to start getting better. This is the point where it should be at its peak. The game is just not living up to its potential after 10 WHOLE YEARS.
My Destiny career has turned into.. log on, do the story, log off.
I feel zero reason to do anything else. There's no bonus if I do other things. Newer weapons are not better. I've used the same weapons for two straight years now and they all work the same. I'm just waiting for the story to be over and Destiny to officially die.
Improving the free to play content should be a big focus because in the end when seasons end, it'll be one of the big things left. Big changes could be a over hall to gambit, all strikes being re added to the game, then a crucible update(which we kinda have coming)
Would like to add to the point that armor acquisition has lost all meaning for a lot of players by saying that class armor drops at max power are literally vanity items and nothing more. Each and every new class item only serves to provide a new transmog that most of us will not use. There is no reason in-gameplay that you would ever use another class item after acquiring your first artifice class item. This means that for those players approximately one in eight item drops is just garbage and bloat.
i have to be honest, the last time i genuinely had fun on destiny and wanted to play for more than just until the raid comes out was Beyond light. and before that was probably shadowkeep and every DLC before that. i bought every DLC since the house of wolves in destiny 1, which is when i first started playing, and i made the choice to stop buying DLCs after the witch queen. The magic of destiny has been long gone and it makes me very sad, because i will always say that destiny 1 from the taken king through the rise of iron will always be my favorite game ive ever played.
If Bungie does decide to make a destiny 3, i will probably buy it, but i wont be staying on it if they cant figure out how to bring that magic back to the game.
Destiny RUclipsrs will milk this game dry as bones, like farmers milking a cow. So said that it used to be good
Before making armor matter again, I need at least TWICE as much Vault space as I currently have.
Ever since Marathon was announced, im sure everyone has seen the writing on the wall of how it'll be the deathblow for Destiny going into maintenance mode.
Datto's ad read game is too strong, I could watch a full compilation of them.
All i really want from destiny 2 right now is everything to just settle down. That is to say, i wish bungie's side games they have been working on get released and dont tarnish the name of the company (any further), and i want these episodes and Final Shape to wrap up so bungie can hopefully begin to countersteer this game into a direction that is sustainable and healthy for the longevity of this game for new and old players after these 3 listed episodes end. I know Final shape and the 3 episodes afterwards wont bring me personally back to the game, but whatever is after the episodes i am hoping will.
Am excited to see your new channel take off. Sure destiny brought me to your channel, but YOU kept me here with your charismatic commentary and rowdy group of friends, and I cant wait for you to become a youtuber, notbound by destiny.
Can we bring back the scope customization and other aspects like it?