instruments are NEVER animated correctly…
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- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2022
- WHY Aren't They ANIMATING Music Properly?!
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instruments are NEVER animated correctly…
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The Tom & Jerry one is accurate because they apparently employed a classically trained pianist to play it for them so that they could get the animation 100% correct. Dedication to their art!
yes and they also won an oscar with that episode!! well deserved
@Don't read profile photo ok
Family guy also gets their instruments correctly
and Soul from pixar because they use motion capture for the hands . But no one beats Tom and Jerry
The Tom and Jerry clip definitely impressed me more than Soul.
the coraline one makes sense because it fits the narrative of everything being all nice and appealing on the surface but somethings not quite right underneath
Plus he was playing it backwards only person I’ve seen who can do that is myleene klass
also with clay animating it correctly would've required millions of frames that they probably just didn't have time for. Stop motion films are already insanely long. It's the same reason why in Nightmare Before Christmas you never actually see Oogie tie up Santa or see Jack putting presents under the trees because little details like that while fun take up a lot of time and require entirely different rigs sometimes. Jack in production had more than 200 face pieces for any one sequence of animation for his mouth alone.
Tbh reading too much into it
@@kraken6183 i wasn’t saying they did it intentionally, i was just pointing out that it happens to fit the narrative :/
@@StupidGenius37 I guess
To be fair, just drawing the instruments is a pain in the ass and in most cases animators don't get enough time and money to learn how to animate them correctly.
Agree
I think In tv or cheaper animation it’s acceptable not to be perfect but when movies like sing that have big studios behind them and it’s literally about music it’s completely unacceptable to be that off
Yeah, the only reason Kyoto Animation can have animes with extremely accurate details on instruments is because they pay their artists right
@@kai_yue A factor is also the passion that the staff has about the original material or the thing they're creating (if it's an original anime). A-1 is infamous for overworking it's staff and yet, Your Lie in April has probably the *best* piano and violin animation of the past decade, because the staff was extremely passionate about the manga and wanted to do the best job they could possibly make.
@@MarceloZ2 yep, that's also true. I think if it's a really great series, and the staffs/director really also love the project, they'd do their best. I think KyoAni's directors/writers are also really passionate about their projects, making almost, if not all, wholesome. Not to mention the OSTs. Violet Evergarden's movie OST album is 2 hours long. Imagine the budget and amount of work done for that
Imagine if someone was meant to animate a classical piece, but he actually animates a rick roll, so when someone makes a video on that scene, he gets rick rolled.
Officer? I'd like to make a report on an individual too dangerous to keep living in society...
i need this lmao
@@MarceloZ2 Again?! Third time's the charm I guess…
This would be amazing
THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING OMFG!!! 🤯🤯🤯
“Instruments are NEVER animated correctly…”
We all know this was true before clicking the video
But then there’s also tom and jerry…
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besides Tom and Jerry
@@matthew5330 true👍
Tom and Jerry definitely did popularize Hungarian Rhapsody by introducing it to the wider public and that episode is famous for being accurate
Not all tom and jerry. Watch the last clip of this video. The clip was my video 🙂
This is why, as a pianist, I love Your Lie in April. Literally everything is animated correctly and it’s beautiful
Kids on the Slope too
As a violinist, I have to disagree
@@violic2732 is Kaori's animation wrong?
@@andreweaton6363 Those are two of my favorite shows for that reason!
Dropped it after episode 1 because the protagonist is just awful.
Thanks for the compliments on my hands xD
As an animator myself, I can tell you, 90% of the time it boils down to time and money. The other thing is that on television productions at least, animators often don't even have the final music to animate to. We often work with temporary music, and the final music tracks will be added in post production.
"why not just get it right?" I feel the same way about everything medical in movies/TV. It isn't that hard to hire a medical professional to advise the writers on proper technique and language and then to coach the actors through it on set. From laboring women screaming uncontrollably while pushing (if you are screaming like that you're not pushing effectively and women don't scream from the first contraction) to people waking up during CPR completely alert and oriented. If your heart stops or you don't breath for a period of time, you don't wake up suddenly alert and chatting. Most people need to be intubated on a vent for a period od time and require medications to stabilize their bp and heart rate - they don't wake up in the field. The most basic one is the EKG strip that shows a fatal heart beat. I see them used on TV news shows as the intro to a medical story, coffee cups, T shirts etc. A friend got a tattoo of a heart beat after surviving a heart attack and the rhythm is one he better pray he never has. With the interent it isn't that hard to find an example of a perfect heart beat. We all learn it in med/nursing school.
I think it’s because animation is hard and they don’t have enough budget to go and hire professional music players
That one's fair because medical accuracy or inaccuracy can actually endanger someone. But not only is this animation where a 3-second arm movement can take 5 hours of work, but most of these examples also come from movies and shows where music isn't a core part of it so it doesn't matter that much.
*Doctor Mike enters chat*
Chest compressions chest compressions chest compressions!
@@asherdales A day I thought I'd never see, Roomie and Doctor Mike 🤣
Costs and the correct way wouldnt look as good / work as a scene. (aka for more drama)
As a drummer, I HATE it when I see animated drums and they aren’t playing them right. Finally someone sees my pain.
As an animator, I hope that's an exaggeration.
@@bananawithaknife I hope so too because if not it's hilarious they HATE it when they see a animated character or characters not correctly playing the drums 🤣🤣
Look up stuff from an anime called "Kids on the Slope". Lots of good drummer animations there.
I hate it so much more in movies. It is not that hard to learn to play something basic, bring in a double for anything fancy.
If you're using a crash and a ride like hats and a snare it's so obvious - that must be absolutely awful to listen to on set.
You’re not an animator, you don’t see their pain.
8:59 - AHHHH, THE NOSTALGIA!!!! 🕺🏼👏🏻🤭✨
Wow I completely forgot about this! I remember this from Scooby doo
@@ItzTheEpicDogeRightttt!!
As a representative of the talentless community, I can say that the animated part is our expectation, but the wrong playing is definitely our reality
Well, certainly we can suspend our disbelief.
Animation is very hard especially with instruments because they are so complex. The animators need to be paid more if they need to study how instruments work and all the notes that need to be pressed (including proper form with a display of dynamics et cetera).
I'm animator and I know answer why instruments are never animated correctly, there is a principle of animation called solid drawing, so animators always will try to creat the best possible pose even it means to animate characters playing any instrument wrong, you know, like, hand pose, arms at the best position to audience have the best understand of the pose and last thing maybe animator doesn't have any reference to follow, I mean real footage to copy in the animation (it happens a lot)
Yes, correctly. Alot of animators doesnt really care about it if the music scence is Just a few seconds.
The best possible pose? Dude, playing the instrument correctly is how it looks, and animating it as it looks would simply be accurate. How could there be such a thing as a "best possible pose" if it isn't accurate? I mean, people who know nothing about music and the instrument being played may not notice the difference, but the ones who do know will obviously notice if it's incorrect. Surely the best possible pose would therefore be the accurate one as that is the one where neither can say that it's wrong??
@@Bushido_90 By best possibel pose he means clearest, as in the audience understands what action is being portrayed. Yeah its nice when animators acount for the realism, but to 99% of ppl there's no difference
Someone probably already said this, but Pixar usually animates the playing of instruments correctly. For Coco they actually got the close up shots of Miguel playing the guitar right. 😃😄😊
For the movie Soul they used Jon Batiste's hand motions and he's the one really playing, there's great extras on D+ showing them recording him.
Strangely, trombones should be the easiest brass instrument to draw, it's literally one tube with two bends. Yet the Family Guy manages to make it super complicated. The mouthpiece somehow bends around behind his ear!
10:17 damn thats some of the coolest sounding trumpet solo ive ever heard :)
Thank You, That was me! 🙂
@@AwesomeBoysJPTV i didnt know it was possible to slide like that :)
If it were _any other gimmick,_ I'd be bored of it within a week, but I like these videos because I enjoy learning the little intricacies for each instrument they show.
Shoutering in name of animators (myself and colleagues watching this), it's sometimes not a choice from animators to make it wrong or right, it just depends on time you have to animate it, what director wants to transmit and the money involved. There's animators who know how to play piano, drums and other instruments (like myself) who always try to explain to non musician diretors what notes should be played and bla bla bla, but they don't even care sometimes they just prefer to see the character face doing something or whatever... anyway, nice vid! Got some laughs here
5:23 Soul is probably the most musically accurate. Even the TROMBONES are animated right.
Soul is a musical movie that's why they perfected it in the animations
1:51 Elton John on crack
Loved it when August popped up laughing at the beginning. Joel should keep making videos with August and Jonas :)
The parts of what it really sounds like fits some of the scenes better in these animated shows.
By the way, the boy in the kitchen can slap bass.😁
You know in the cartoons the character would play the instrument and someone would be irritated? I'm wondering if this is why... They could hear the actual music 😸
Joel, please save the past broadcasts on Twitch, so people who weren't there live could see them. Thanks!
He shares them on Patreon. I don't think he can on Twitch because of copyright.
7:09 we did that "Ting-Ting " or whatever together bro . Lol that was fun
KyoAni does one of the best instrument animations. Especially the series "Hibike! Euphonium". It's a full orchestra/marching band but! The details they put to animating every instrument always gives me goosebumps
came here to say this.
We need a bollywood version of this! So many actors playing fake ass instruments ! it would be so cool!
Lol even Tom and Jerry is better than it
Boooooring
I don't even know what an ass instrument is, let alone a fake one.
@@Bonez0r hahah i meant to say, they play real instruments in a fake-ass way...
Joel isn't a foot guy...but maybe he's a hand guy? 😆
😳
9:04 I caught flashbacks here too! I've watched it as well as a kid, some part of my memory unlocked!!
9:31 as a musician myself, I love the shreds videos, I was laughing my hardest, apparently, RUclips was so harsh to people that made those going as far as blocking their channels
Joel is the king of buying expensive chairs and never using them
When most of the classical pieces you've heard was from Tom and Jerry...
You know, it would’ve been funny if the animated artist made it specific to a piece of music on the piano, but they actually did the animation to play never gonna give you up, but did a different songs that when somebody debunked it, they would just play never gonna give you up to themself
To be honest, all wrong versions played sounds perfectly ironically right. Take as example the 5:27 one, for example. It's exactly what a baby thinking he is cool af would sound like. Also everything in the simpsons
Great video, guys! It's awesome when the animators pay attention to detail so much that the playing is right, BUT no one - except for musicians and/or people who play that instrument - will notice if it's not accurate, so I can understand why studios don't usually bother.
Scooby-Doo and the Witch's Ghost. That's the full name. It was a Scooby-Doo movie. One of my personal favorites :)
Mine too
Two anime Series that come to mind are "Your Lie In April" and "Kids on the Slope" both of these use rotoscoping on in the animations for the music sessions, they are apparently really accurate
"Why not just get it right?"
I hope this was just a throwaway joke or just talking about that one clip because otherwise, I don't think Joel has any idea what getting right means in the context of animating instruments correctly. 👽
Edit: Okay, thank god, he acknowledges it later in the video.
What about this with paper? 10:44
@@ellaDdoesvlogs I don't know what you're talking about, Spongebob totally got it right.
@@perenniallachrymosity276 Got to hear paper sounds!
I know its just a meme, but in reality... Who cares how its animated?
The Tom and Jerry episode where his Southern uncle who pulls Toms whiskers come to visit, the fact that he plays basically nothing on his guitar, just makes it more fun.
UNCLE PECOS!
Real musicians care...
Instruments are not animated correctly in cartoons for the same reason that hackers on movies are always typing random text in a black screen 😆
I like their laughing. It makes me feel happy for some reason
Maybe most don't animate correctly because they are hoping people will make hilarious videos like these, haha. So fun watching this recorded live!☺🎹
I like ur singing:)
@@hii6897 Thank you. :)
This is usually the same in video games. But if you play Cyberpunk 2077, and watch an NPC on the street play the guitar, all the notes were animated correctly! I love attention to detail like this.
YES I love watching the comparison videos!! Cracks me up every time. Oh my gosh and the amount of flutes I've seen just plum going the wrong way is abhorrable. 😂
Considering the time, the budget and what Tom & Jerry actually is, that was mighty impressive 👏👏👏
Amazing concept. Really funny to see the inaccuracies in cartoons.I love the bass kid too.
Loved this! I always pay attention to the animation when instruments are involved. Well done all! Thanks! :D
I was not expecting the worlds of Caillou and RoomieOfficial to intersect today but here we are
Ok I’m just starting out in animation but I can definitely tell you that it’s really hard to animate an instrument correctly
-For one it’s more excessive research if you don’t already know how to play the instrument
-Then you of course want to get the timing right with the music and notes being played
- AND on top of all that you want the animation to still look good and vibe well
Yes it can be done but it makes the animation process for such a short scene, so much unnecessary longer
The drum parts in animated AND live-action shows always crack me up. Thanks for throwing some of those scenes in there!
8:50 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 assume
This video reminded me of cartoons that I forgot ever existed. High levels of nostalgia!
I've seen most of these clips. Always wondered how it would have sounded if it was played exactly like the animation. Hilarious!! (Although Tom must have had piano lessons)
For the Spongebob one, they should have edited the what-it-would-really-sound-like part to sound as though it were transmitted through water rather than air.
drawing hands is difficult. There are a number of times I have drawn things inaccurately because I couldn't get hands to look right while also being accurate for the angles.
7:20 I once drew a character playing on a grand piano and I accidentally flipped the lid part so the wavy shape looked towards the side with the piano keys even though that side was obviously a straight line. Only noticed after my piano playing classmate pointed it out 😂
This is why Tom and Jerry's Hungarian Rhapsody won an Oscar for Best Animated Short Films and Bugs Bunny did not.
10:04 I love how they already have the Bad Guys scene in there, that's awesome!
In the Axel F one, I (as a reflex) said Ding ding right after the song. And then August said Ding ding at the exact same time! So we said Ding ding at the EXACT same time. Pretty cool 😂
Love this video!! Laughing along with Roomie and August😂👍❤
If you want instruments to be animated correctly, there are two ways to go about it.
1) Rotoscoping. Have a musician play, and animators will film it. Then frame by frame the film will be traced over.
2) Motion Capture. Have a musician wear a motion capture suit and have the instrument marked with motion capture 'dots'.
For drummers, EMC Productions has a whole series on this which is where all the drum comparisons came from.
In Soul they actually used a technique called motion capture. Where the actor is an actual piano player, and they motion captured his hands, so that the motions are directly put into the animation. Like they also do in video games.
If I have to guess why some are partially accurate it's probably because they didn't want to hire a professional(budget limitation) to tell them the correct way to play whatever they are playing and so the animators were just watching videos(or for older animations they might've consulted friends who play the intstrument as a hobby) and since they aren't musicians they can't judge if they've made mistakes(didn't get the correct way to do it from the videos they watched).
The original Tom & Jerry is the reason I like classical music. I'm sure a lot of people from that generation are the same.
I literally just went and watched all of sing 2 because of 1:45, then came back to finish the video 🤣
Please do a part 2!
5:00 - Pixar uses automation, so they just can load midi and player's fingers automaticly push right notes =))
Never Animated Correctly 👀 To an extent some instruments are. It can be tough to go frame by frame, usually its a surprise when some come out correct/accurate. Was Humourous & fun to watch, Keep it up & Stay Safe Guys 🎶 😎 👊
"Practice 40 hours a day to get it right."
- Sun Tzu, The Art of War
For soul they worked really hard on making the fingers moove and bend as they should, the tendons of the hands show as they do irl, and press the right keys as they should etc.
It's A Cartoon What Did Ya Expect🤣🤣
Chances are the two scenes were done by two different animators so one tried to do it right the other just tried to get the shot done, it could also be time constraints, to do it right might have taken a little extra time the animator could really spare
Love this format ! Really entertaining
i always knew most animations of instrument werent accurate but still entertaining hearing what it would have sounded like if the audio matched the animation
In the stop motion classic film “Pinch Cliff grand-prix” there is a musical scene where al instruments in an ensemble was played 100% correct. The maker of this movie was a perfectionist and wanted musicians who watched this brilliant film to enjoy correct handling of the instruments 🎸 👍👍😎
Nobody:
Joel: LOOK AT THOSE SEXY HANDS!
Wow can’t believe I never saw this video till now! Thanks for featuring my videos on the channel!
SpongeBob and his paper playing a bop always left me dying lmao
kind of "What I think I'm playing" vs "What I'm actually playing" 🤣
You're doing a similar thing that Two Set Violin did, but they did it with violins in movies as well as animations.
For Soul, the Pixar animators filmed Jon Batiste playing and used the videos to animate Jamie Foxx's character playing. That was the best way to do it IMHO. I enjoy all your videos, Roomie! I learn a lot.
I love watching these type videos can u do a part 2?
Me, trying to impress people: yes, I'm in a band, nothing much
Me and the girls: 9:23
90s kids : 😂😂
20s kids : how the hell is a rabbit playing a piano
I laughed at this way more than I expected. Thanks!
That was really funny - I didn't expect to enjoy breaking music scenes from cartoons so much :)
Id have love to see if "Your lie in april" was well done. Or hibike euphonium
Finally my art degree put to some use :P 7:34
but seriously, so many times animators have barely any time to animate something properly and ig not enough ppl even pay attention to it for the industry to really care if it's on point or not...
Usually when 2D animation (especially anime) is on point, is when they 3D animate the hands, most surely motion captured by a real life instrument playing. But then it looks so off compared to the rest of the animation. 3D usually has more fps than 2D, which throws me off ngl.
I'm just really disappointed in Gorillaz as it's a fricking music band!!1!one!!
I know with Pixar and modern animations that are story driven, they are animating after the voices are recorded, but I wonder if a lot of animations are in progress before they even know what the music might be??? Or it is just animators who only have a general reference of this is the low end of the piano and this is the high end, I draw hands moving on keys.
“Why not just get it right”
As someone in the animation field (particular 3D animation) who also has been playing the sax for almost 9 years. Most people don’t know how to play the instrument they’re animating, as well as sometimes it doesn’t look good. Especially for trombone. I can’t remember what show it was but there was one where they played an easy trombone thing, and it slides around, when irl the slide stays still and it’s just embouchure movement. So in animation this would look weird
Is Joel secretly Yoshikage Kira?! Why this fixation in hands, man, calm down XD
Me who has never played any instruments:
o______o
Man Monsters vs Aliens got it close XD, honestly I assume that there were kicks hidden in the Bad Guys scene, but the 4th notes from the hi hats I think somehow hits a lot different some reason, plus it somehow seems like the shark's playing the lofi hip hop pattern, like the drunk drumming it's called iirc
I may be thinking too far into this, but isn’t there some irony in the clip at 10:26 that the sounds of a hurt animal are music to a panther’s ears..?
I love how the video has ended to 2:55 then he starts the video LMAO
He does that in every video. That's his style
Guys who make most of their music digitally are critiquing cartoon music! Yes!
The Tom and Jerry one, Cat Concerto, is one of my favorite cartoons. And one of my favorite classical music pieces, Hungarian Rhapsody No. 2 by Liszt. It even won an Oscar.
Roomie! In the "Everything everywhere all at once film" There is a scene of some... weird universe.... and this girl plays Clair De Lune with her feet (I assume it is a 3d replacement of hands) and it is absolutely accurate. Was one thing I was super happy to see in the movie lol
So yeah, Tom and Jerry got an oscar for that...