Simon claps back was insane. I am 100% with her, smiling doesn't give you golds but the hard work will and stop telling women to smile in every situation
Loni is the only one speaking truth. I think Simone clapped back because women are sick and tired of men telling them to smile! I was shocked that more people didn’t realize that.
Alannis Flores well that’s why we’re all here on girl chat talking, listening and messaging bc we all take, see, feel and experience the world differently
Regardless that they're on reality tv, if you've allowed your character to be swayed then that's on you. Your integrity should be worth more than some money.
Facts 100%. That was repulsive. Just to keep a story going, especially as an attorney? I know lawyers lie, but even at that, there are flexible moral and ethical guidelines. With alleged sexual harassment too? Her license should have been temporarily revoked for practice. Her actions were spiteful, and she toyed with Porsha’s naiveness.
@@mkmgramirez but he wasn't commenting about her smiling through the dance. He expected her to be cheesing because of the judge's comments. He had nothing constructive or meaningful to bring to the table.
The whole smiling doesn't win you gold metals is because they kept telling her all season long to stop smiling and at one point Kelly anne said she seemed fake so the week when she didn't smiling they suddenly had something to say about that too and I think she just snapped and I would've too. They weren't critiquing her dancing they started critiquing her personality which was uncalled for so Kelly Osborne shut up she clearly doesn't know the situation.
I agree - i dont even watch but the clip clearly shows him critiquing how she was acting while taking feedback, NOT while dancing. And I do think what Loni said about the issue of men telling women to smile more is more accurate to what is going on here. Shes not your doll. Let her be herself in the in between moments
@@hannah22bananana Yes, Yes, Yes u both hit it right on the head it's not her dancing skills they were critiquing / criticizing it's her blackness ...That's the real issue .. Her blackness .. Just to let u now I really don't watch these show either .... But if she smiles too much she's fake but if she don't it's the angery black woman w/ an issue they didn't complement her thet tried cause her to question & doubt her self ... Y will never her a white woman tell the other not to do their best ....
It's her blackness they were criticizing not her dancing .... Because she smiles = so fake & no smiles = it's too perfect.... Nothing they said or critiqued had to do w/ her dancing but was said to cause self doubt & promote selfhate & Kelley Osborne need to shut up because she didn't actually answer any questions asked her ...
Yes! That is so annoying, and it actually makes me frown more, and perhaps lash out. I find it condescending by its content and demand, even if it is coming from a good place. Men should just allow a woman to be her without trying to fix her all the time
These old hags run amuck getting drunk, dressing as if they are 1/2 there age or trying to work a pole. Constantly screaming. Calling each other names. Acting like hateful, cruel, thots. Somebody is going to have a stroke or a heartache.
With every topic, Kelly always seemed to make it about her. There’s a difference in using yourself/situations as reference and turning things around to focus on you...
I think you are misunderstanding what was done. They literally chose those topics so that she could reference her own experience as a reality TV star and a contestant on Dancing With the Stars. It wasn't a coincidence.
Vanessa 510 I’m sorry.... that’s what they usually do anyway... they may talk about controversial topics like that one for a few minutes then make a lesson out of it and use that topic as a jump off and reference back to their own life...
I completely agree more so because she kept talking about DWTS as if simone was being critiqued for not smiling while dancing and that wasnt even the case
I'm glad they had this discussion. It is sick how deceiving and conniving women can be to one and other because of hate and envy. It's really sad. People who would make up horrible lies like this have something a whole lot deeper going on in their hearts and minds. At the end of the day, they are doing it for ATTENTION.
It’s a shame that drama stays on tv. Married to jonas was so cute on E but they couldn’t renew it because it wasn’t scandalous enough. There’s a reason the kardashians have 16 seasons and the jonas family had 2 seasons. 🙄 faithful marriages, no drama, and lots of love.
ikr see how they ended tia and tamera because they tried to put them against each other. There are so many normal marriages and relationships in this world but it doesn't make them money. People have become salty because of these things they are being fed
Simone told them “ smiles don’t win you gold medals” .... I was shook to my core! I understand where she was coming from because tbh... the dance she was doing was an intense dance.... idk anybody who is smiling while doing the paso doble! Tom was just trying to lighten the mood and see where her head was at... that’s all I saw it as but that’s just me
He didn't say u were not smiling during dance...he said u are not smiling at some of the great feedback u r getting from judges. He was trying to cheer her up but it came out as he telling her to smile
I think it’s rude to tell someone to smile especially in a room full of people . You don’t know if that person is nervous etc etc . It just makes a person feel like they’re looking the wrong way idk I can’t explain it
@Jasmine Sweeney 'ruined my whole morning'😂 It is annoying though! I can be in a great mood and not be smiling...I'm just not going to walk around smiling to myself or you, go away! 🙄
They don’t tell men to smile. Instead they say “look like you’re having fun”. Simone was pressed so she gave a pressed answer. She was not rude. Who really smiles like a dummy at critiques that are targeted at your character/personality. Smh
I feel you. Sadly, women like this exist at work, church, neighbors, family members, etc. I've never really had close female friends because of chaos. My best friend is my husband. I don't have time to gallop around with a bunch of females on the weekend. I have kids.
I couldn't stop adding my 2 cents to myself while listening to this group chat topic. RHOA is my guilty pleasure, tho lol Shout out to u, Tam Tam! U didn't allow ratings and film crews disrupt ur peace and ur bond with Tia. Bravo, bravo!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Kelly...girl. Its always someone telling a black woman whats appropriate. Simone wins, dominates and folks have to find something. Man whatever...I don't think a woman who's come up is literally built off the success of her father should critique another woman who came up off her own back with every odd stacked against her. I think thats innapropriate, when you could never and literally HAVE never. Simone obviously knows first hand about her profession because she delivers when she competes. I swear...smh
Okay but it wasn’t about her smiling DURING her routine, the host said “I was waiting for you to smile during those compliments, and you didn’t” um, she doesn’t have to freaking smile. She was LISTENING to the constructive criticism. So I don’t blame her. That was an annoying thing to say.
On the Simone Biles thing... I think it’s great that she was confident enough to clap back. Sure it can seem like she wasn’t taking criticism well or like she wasn’t being humble. So what? Women of color have to work so hard to get to what she has achieved and sure humility and respect goes a long way but I feel like this is the type of thing that if a white woman said she wouldn’t get so much negative attention from rather she’d be bombarded with #boss #brave along with other white feminist labels. I have nothing against white women or feminists but I think we should take the advice at the beginning of this video and stop tearing successful women apart for what they decide to do/say. Like that’s her game face and it is kind of annoying for men to tell women to smile.
I think if it was a man who said it to another man, it wouldn't have been a big deal. I think it's because it's a woman to a man and in the metoo era, is why the reaction happened
@Hannah Walmer: But WOMEN are the only ones talking about it and the only ones who care. How many straight men in your life made a big deal about Simone's comment? Men don't care. Men aren't the ones judging her; women are.
That’s true. Moniece from love and hip hop said her and another cast member came to an understanding, and they had to reshoot it because production said that it was “too easy”. So at some point, people need to take responsibility and look into themselves and ask what is your cap? What won’t you do for money?
Just because someone seems kind in person doesn’t mean they are. Especially if you don’t have a close relationship with them AND other people they could possibly effect. But like Tamera eventually said if you don’t like seeing it stop watching and they wouldn’t still be on tv.
Simone smiled as she said smiles don't win gold medals. This was hardly a harsh or crazy attack against anyone. She was simply saying she didn't feel the need to smile right then is a somewhat shady way.
Honestly... I appreciated all the ladies inputs because all five of them were in shows regarding reality whether it was regarding their own lives or a competition show or even hosting a show where they helping somebody else’s life being shown on the forefront... Tamera , Adrienne & Kelly all had reality shows that weren’t based on set ups/ fake drama for ratings... what you saw , was what you got ! And Jeannie’s was more of a quick little let me inspire women and make them feel better through their fashion whereas Loni competed on a show! So they all have valid reasons to say what they had to say and give the input they felt was necessary!
EVERYONE NEEDS TO PAY ATTENTION: The girls on the show made it out like the "smiling" comment was about her performing. IT WAS NOT! The host specifically said, "I was waiting for you to smile AT SOME OF THE COMPLIMENTS.....YOU DIDN'T" & at the same time, he gestured towards the judges on the panel (cuz that's what he was referring to). He was referring to Simone showing some happiness at compliments she was getting from the judges. Not referring to smiling during her performances. As a huge fan of Simone, her response was in poor taste. Her PR team is scrambling to fix it as I type, guaranteed. Anytime someone compliments you, what do you do??? Most people SMILE and say, "Thank you". The host noticed that Simone doesn't smile when hearing such positive compliments. Simone's "clap back" came off as arrogant and ignorant. But, it's also a learning experience for her. She is human. She is the PERFECT gymnast. But she is not a perfect person and NO ONE is. That's the point.
actually, I disagree, it was not in poor taste. what was in poor taste is antagonizing someone for no good reason. I don't smile when I get compliments from my professors and conductor about my performances. I'm LISTENING AND FOCUSING on what's being said. a smile is so minuet in that situation, and the judges didn't seem to care when they were giving her those compliments. do you know what shows gratitude? applying what you learned. not a smile. If she doesn't smile, so? she was dancing her butt off and giving 110%. I hope she isn't made to apologize for some dudes hurt ego. As she said, smiles do not get you gold medals, and it didn't get her those compliments from the judges either.
@@Queennari I hope it doesn't affect her future analysis from the judges. I really hope it don't. I wanna see her win so bad!!! Laurie Hernandez won in 2017. Shawn Johnson was on twice and came in 2nd place both times. It would be awesome if she won. No matter what, the number one rule in proper "complimenting" responses is to be humble. That response was not.
Nikki B you sound nuts. Like coo coo bananas. I’ve complemented tons of people in my day and people react in a million different ways. Some people are over the moon, some more stoic, some even angry lol. Actually bringing up the fact that it wasn’t about the performance but rather he feels she needs to be all smiles merely because they complemented her just proves Loni’s point. He wasn’t giving her a tip about her dancing. He just felt away she wasn’t as outwards jubilant as HE’D like. And to that I also say F U. He may personally think she needs to be grinning like an idiot because of a complement but that’s not her style. Sorry not sorry 😐
@@dinkyboss he could of felt she has a beautiful smile and the time to lighten up is after the performance. It's also a dance competition on national television. He's used to watching contestants smile and get excited from receiving excellent reviews. By the way my comment never stated that many dont react differently to compliments. I said "most" smile & thank you. I hope she wins. That's all I care about. So if I'm coo-coo for explaining what happened, or having nice manners, so be it. I'd rather be that any day of the week than have your qualities. "F-u", I think you said??? Yea, I'm not losing sleep over an ignorant person that gotta comment and grossly curse at another person. Maybe you're just having a bad day. Either way, I for one will be overjoyed if Simone wins DWTS! Im biased being a gymnastics fan but still, girl can dance! (And she's beautiful with a beautiful SMILE!!!)
I don’t think so, she tried to say that woman’s of all races has being put one against each other, But they remembered her that it’s even worse with black woman(which is true), and I think she agree with that
Honestly that Part 4 reunion was absolutely ridiculous! I don’t understand how in the world Phaedra lied twice and didn’t even apologize not once and if she did... it was BS! First she said, she heard it from Kandi... then turned around and said she heard it from somebody and repeated! I don’t give a damn who you heard it from... if you’ve been friends with this woman , no matter your issues... I would hope you wouldn’t try your hardest get back at her and ruin her career over some petty stuff that you guys went through !
Phillips Watson Interesting how you can’t mind your business... I remember u being positive to me a few months ago... seems like thing have changed on your end... whatever negative stuff you have to say... I’m pray for you and wish you well! Thanks 🙏🏽
@@MajesticMyronn 😎 AGAIN...THIS IS A PUBLIC PLATEFORM DON'T PUT YOUR BUSINESS OUT THEIR....YES I'M STILL POSITIVE... COMMENTS CAN'T AWAYS BE PEACHES & CREAM LIKE DEALING WITH A LOVE ONE THAT DON'T MEAN YOU LOVE THEM ANY LESS!! 💃🎵🏃HAVE A FUN DAY!!
I love that Loni is so protective of us colored people. It’s just so refreshing and she’s real with that. ♥️ 😘I’ve never been around girls who act like that. Why it’s called “reality” is beyond me. Of course, I’m only speaking of my experience. Love you ladies! ♥️😆😌
SO TRUE WHAT LONI STATED!!! Women bashing and tearing one another up especially black women is disgraceful and also for any woman to participate in a trash of a show like this! I have never watched these shows because it's degrading and then women wonder why they are not taken seriously, called drama queens and opportunist! Go find something interesting in life that is making yourself and others a better version of themselves and build on that, help others, create something! It's just disgusting all these Real Housewives reality shows, just PURE TRASH!
Honestly, that kind of annoys me that they were trying to say that Simone was responding with an attitude. Like... not only did she say it with a smile but it was also articulate and well put. Why are people so pro- censorship in the court of public opinion? She can’t respond honestly to how the host made her feel with that unnecessary question. Smiling does NOT win you gold medals! Skill does. And furthermore she can smile or not smile if she wants to. It didn’t seem like she was firing back at the judges, it seemed like she was responding to the HOST’s question. I leave you guys with this question. Would anyone have said she was “firing back” or responding with an “attitude” if she wasn’t a black woman?
I think its a little weird that they’re saying don’t watch it when the drama on these shows is half the stuff that they talk about. But I guess they have to make a positive out of a negative 🤷🏾♀️
To be fair the guy was asking why she wasn’t smile during the critiques. Not during the dance. So I think her saying that was saying that she doesn’t have to smile to show that she is happy. I agree with Loni about the part of men telling women to smile.
istoleyoursugar she said that because there’s more than black women on tv disrespecting each other... they literally have Real Housewives. Franchise literally out of 10 different versions this franchise has made only 2 of them star majority black women...
It's all about context. Smiling may not get you gold at sporting events, but a different posture is expected in dance. And in any event, you have to be able to take constructive criticism and be respectful about it. That's how you learn & move forward. I understand that she's used to competing in gymnastics, but at the same time, she chose to compete in a dance competition. (Both events the judges has certain expectations and dance always involve a passionate expression).
“There is a time and place and a way to stand up for yourself.” 🤔 So many thoughts about this statement… I wonder what she would say is the time, place and way? Guess I need to find the full episode to learn more.
Smile or not she is legendary.... tell angel basset she didnt smile enough during her portrayal of Tina Turner. Black people get the job done! We weren’t afforded the luxury to smile during our duty to produce. Black women could’nt vote 100 years ago. People forget and behave outside their struggle.... when u are focused to break the frame the energy presented is focused.... not appeasing... Harriet tubman wasn’t smiling leading people of captivity..... she was focused to let people know freedom is obtainable. False Smiles got us captivated in the first place.
What ever is done in the dark comes to light is the correct way of saying it, I grew up with that being told to me by my mother to get me to tell the truth but I didn't growing up and now I have to tell the truth my truth our truth #gatewoods
She did not say it to the female judge she said it to the male guy who said “I was waiting for you to smile at some of the COMMENTS” he was not criticising her dancing he was telling her to smile at the nice comments which is out 👏 of 👏order 👏
11:35 No Kelly, it does not. Simone is now one of the most decorated gymnasts in the history of the sport. And her personality had nothing to do with it. All skill.
Christopher Walker that line annoyed me. I didn’t realize that Kelly was a gold medalist in the gymnastics... oh wait... she’s not. Imagine thinking you know more about gymnastics when you’ve never done it than someone who won awards for the sport.
Kelly always finds a way to bring the conversation back around to herself and her extremely privileged experiences that have little relevance to the topic at hand.
Okay so, as a dancer and a gymnast, I can honestly say that smiling is so incredibly important both on and off the floor. My dance instructor and my gym trainer both used to preach a lot about the importance of being personable because you have to be able to show judges and adjudicators that you love what you do. In dance, as Kelly said, you have to emulate the emotion behind the routine you're performing and it's the same in rhythmic gymnastics. Artistic expression means being able to emote. Power gymnasts are less expected to smile during a routine but that's mainly because it really is judged more around skill and execution but one thing that is the same across all of gymnastics and all of dance is that, when you're receiving feedback, you smile and you appear gracious and humble. Overconfidence makes you look entitled and conceited and it paints you as unlikable. You have to be professional and what Simone said was NOT professional. Her attitude was very defensive and rude and, were she to speak like this to a judge in a gymnastics competition, she'd have been dragged across the coals. In any sport, you have to be disciplined and controlled. Where was the self-control in Simone's response?
If that is something she learned, she should have taken it to the police. This would need to be taken to court if that’s what Portia chooses. And if it’s false accusations then Freda should be arrested for defamation of character
The biggest part of dancing is showing the emotion of the dance. You HAVE to tell the story to the dance with your face not your body. She was rude and she wasnt "snapping back" she got defensive and was a bitch. I mean she was getting compliments....so fucking smile. She was entitled.
I think honesty is always the best policy, but also, it’s situational. Like, if you plan a surprise party, you mostly lie to get the person out and wait til everything’s ready. Also, Santa is really a big thing. And it’s so sad because St. Nicholas Was a real person, and now it’s turned into a fad. I think Honesty is the best policy, when it comes to situations like this. If you know somethin, don’t be quiet, say somethin! The way it was said, in front of cameras, wasn’t good. If your kids say sugar & fat free candy tastes bad and you tell them that’s how All candy tastes to get them to stop eating it, that’s a lie, but I think since it gives them health benefits, it might be a good decision. Everything isn’t always black & white. You should take it a day at a time.
My understanding of what the judges said is that they want her to get into character more..I haven't watched the show to judge..but I'm assuming that's what she meant by that. I can't say if I agree or not just yet.
I'm late but what I mostly didn't like was, the rumor or whatever wasn't a petty lie. Its not like she said, 'oh Kandy said that Porsha slept with someone's husband' and then Phaedra repeated that. She said they were going to drug and sexually assault another women. That's a serious offense, you can get jail time for that. The mindset to actually drug and assault someone diminishes your character, your morals, your humanity. That ain't cool, even if it was a for show and drama, thats still going way too far. That wasn't entertaining nor funny.
She was being critiqued and was absorbing all of it in, she doesn't have to smile if she doesn't want to. The host made her uncomfortable with that question and that's why she felt the need to answer all sassy.
I’m shocked they didn’t get where loni was coming from with the “smile thing” like her dance was amazing & if she doesn’t feel like smiling then she doesn’t fucking have to dang😒 like she was probably keeping it professional & neutral & just taking in the feed back like Adrienne said. Her & loni the only one who making sense & keeping it ALL the way real.
Simone is a SUPERSTAR dancing with the stars is for play. As an AA star she is always beimg critizized and she just let em kmow ot to come for her unless she calls them.
There go Jeannie again with the all lives matter approach loni said there putting black women against each other and Jeannie says we shouldn’t put ALL women against each other
B Summer because there’s more than just “ black reality shows “ on tv... the whole housewives franchise expect for Atlanta is made up of white women ... Jersey Shore is Italian... Little Women has multiple races... Love & Hip Hop has black people and Latinos on their cast... it’s not always a black issue... it’s a SOCIETY ISSUE !
Myronn Coleman but Jeannie does all the time she did the same thing with Harvey wine stein situation they were talking about his allegations and she just out of no where said r Kelly needs to be jailed
B Summer meaning any man not just Harvey Weinstein who has been indicted and proven to do things to women without consent should... R.Kelly is one of those men... considering she’s an ASIAN woman that was sexually assaulted and her own mother didn’t seem to believe and seeing that she works with issues like Human Trafficking on a GLOBAL level... maybe she has the input to say that! Once again we have to start somewhere and have the conversation! There are black people still listening to R Kelly’s music without even looking at evidence of some of the stuff he’s done... and to me being a black man... if u support his music , u support him and his behavior ! so the fact that an Asian woman wants him to go to jail not because he’s black but because she wants justice for the women who have spoke out... she gets looked at crazy ? Come on now... let’s be real !
Angel Mako I’m black but thanks... like I said... this is not a race issue considering not all reality shows are made up of black women arguing , white women , Italian people , couples& etc... all types of people are on reality tv so why tf are we making this a race thing...
Simon claps back was insane. I am 100% with her, smiling doesn't give you golds but the hard work will and stop telling women to smile in every situation
Lady Hamilton xoxo and Kelly is so wrong lmao. Obviously she obviously doesn’t know anything about gymnastics. Pros do NOT show emotion, on purpose.
Exactly
What you have to understand is that emotion is really important in the dance world. Character plays a huge role in winning over the judges.
Gymnasts are judged on skill. Concentration is more important than facial expression.
Tashai Small but she’s been a gymnast basically her whole life. It’s not about the expression, it’s the skill and execution.
Loni is the only one speaking truth. I think Simone clapped back because women are sick and tired of men telling them to smile! I was shocked that more people didn’t realize that.
Alannis Flores e x a c t l y
Alannis Flores well that’s why we’re all here on girl chat talking, listening and messaging bc we all take, see, feel and experience the world differently
Yes!
Thiss!
Exactly
"An honest enemy is better than a friend who lies" 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Regardless that they're on reality tv, if you've allowed your character to be swayed then that's on you. Your integrity should be worth more than some money.
Truth!
facts
Facts 100%. That was repulsive. Just to keep a story going, especially as an attorney? I know lawyers lie, but even at that, there are flexible moral and ethical guidelines. With alleged sexual harassment too? Her license should have been temporarily revoked for practice. Her actions were spiteful, and she toyed with Porsha’s naiveness.
Why do people insist that women owe others a smile? I'll smile when I feel like it, not on cue.
As a dancer, we are always told to smile. One of the reasons we wear makeup so much is to accentuate our facial features.
@@mkmgramirez but he wasn't commenting about her smiling through the dance. He expected her to be cheesing because of the judge's comments. He had nothing constructive or meaningful to bring to the table.
I'mjust_ Lolo Agreed Queen
Smiling is a normal part of positive communication. Stop getting in your feelings and do it.
@@bnwo well you go ahead and let people dictate what you do with your body. I'm good.
The whole smiling doesn't win you gold metals is because they kept telling her all season long to stop smiling and at one point Kelly anne said she seemed fake so the week when she didn't smiling they suddenly had something to say about that too and I think she just snapped and I would've too. They weren't critiquing her dancing they started critiquing her personality which was uncalled for so Kelly Osborne shut up she clearly doesn't know the situation.
Jared Whitehead 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
I agree - i dont even watch but the clip clearly shows him critiquing how she was acting while taking feedback, NOT while dancing. And I do think what Loni said about the issue of men telling women to smile more is more accurate to what is going on here. Shes not your doll. Let her be herself in the in between moments
@@hannah22bananana Yes, Yes, Yes u both hit it right on the head it's not her dancing skills they were critiquing / criticizing it's her blackness ...That's the real issue .. Her blackness .. Just to let u now I really don't watch these show either .... But if she smiles too much she's fake but if she don't it's the angery black woman w/ an issue they didn't complement her thet tried cause her to question & doubt her self ... Y will never her a white woman tell the other not to do their best ....
It's her blackness they were criticizing not her dancing .... Because she smiles = so fake & no smiles = it's too perfect.... Nothing they said or critiqued had to do w/ her dancing but was said to cause self doubt & promote selfhate & Kelley Osborne need to shut up because she didn't actually answer any questions asked her ...
Plz don't bring Kelly back thank you
A little louder for the people in the back.
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lebkha yes please never put kelly osboune on daytime talk shows again lol
yep keep her out
wish i could like this more than once
Simone isn’t lying 😒. Smiles doesn’t pay the bills or win medals 🙄.
Maybe females are tired of men telling females to smile. Maybe that’s why she clapped back like that.
Yes! That is so annoying, and it actually makes me frown more, and perhaps lash out. I find it condescending by its content and demand, even if it is coming from a good place. Men should just allow a woman to be her without trying to fix her all the time
Your comment reminds me of the song by Halsey- nightmare
All these "the real housewives of ___" shows should be canceled
These old hags run amuck getting drunk, dressing as if they are 1/2 there age or trying to work a pole. Constantly screaming. Calling each other names. Acting like hateful, cruel, thots.
Somebody is going to have a stroke or a heartache.
do people even watch those shows? sounds like a visual representation of a migraine...
Except the little people ones
With every topic, Kelly always seemed to make it about her. There’s a difference in using yourself/situations as reference and turning things around to focus on you...
I think you are misunderstanding what was done. They literally chose those topics so that she could reference her own experience as a reality TV star and a contestant on Dancing With the Stars. It wasn't a coincidence.
Vanessa 510 I’m sorry.... that’s what they usually do anyway... they may talk about controversial topics like that one for a few minutes then make a lesson out of it and use that topic as a jump off and reference back to their own life...
I completely agree more so because she kept talking about DWTS as if simone was being critiqued for not smiling while dancing and that wasnt even the case
Vanessa 510 they all do that.... Tamara does it the most
That was one of the most real conversations they’ve had on this show
True
Javier Ruiz so was i! i really thought they would discuss the topic on the surface but they actually went deep
I'm glad they had this discussion. It is sick how deceiving and conniving women can be to one and other because of hate and envy. It's really sad.
People who would make up horrible lies like this have something a whole lot deeper going on in their hearts and minds. At the end of the day, they are doing it for ATTENTION.
Kelly is so unrelatable lmao like everything she says doesn’t make sense.
Yes, she's white, on a show for women of color.
To top it off a woman that’s never lived in any type of financial struggle
true, i mean she gets little applause plus Loni get annoyed
She is human being so she is relatable
@@Gigilovehugs sphh being a human being does not make you relatable hunny
It’s a shame that drama stays on tv. Married to jonas was so cute on E but they couldn’t renew it because it wasn’t scandalous enough. There’s a reason the kardashians have 16 seasons and the jonas family had 2 seasons. 🙄 faithful marriages, no drama, and lots of love.
ikr see how they ended tia and tamera because they tried to put them against each other. There are so many normal marriages and relationships in this world but it doesn't make them money. People have become salty because of these things they are being fed
@@joyc9323 exactly
Simone told them “ smiles don’t win you gold medals” .... I was shook to my core! I understand where she was coming from because tbh... the dance she was doing was an intense dance.... idk anybody who is smiling while doing the paso doble! Tom was just trying to lighten the mood and see where her head was at... that’s all I saw it as but that’s just me
He didn't say u were not smiling during dance...he said u are not smiling at some of the great feedback u r getting from judges. He was trying to cheer her up but it came out as he telling her to smile
I hate when people tell me to smile .. this is how I look and this is what I’m used to when I’m winning 🤷🏽♀️
I think it’s rude to tell someone to smile especially in a room full of people . You don’t know if that person is nervous etc etc . It just makes a person feel like they’re looking the wrong way idk I can’t explain it
Jasmine Sweeney shame on her for thinking she know you . You don’t have to smile to make others feel comfortable .
@Jasmine Sweeney 'ruined my whole morning'😂
It is annoying though! I can be in a great mood and not be smiling...I'm just not going to walk around smiling to myself or you, go away! 🙄
Right? I’ll smile when I have something to smile about
They don’t tell men to smile. Instead they say “look like you’re having fun”. Simone was pressed so she gave a pressed answer.
She was not rude. Who really smiles like a dummy at critiques that are targeted at your character/personality. Smh
Adrienne looks so sophisticated..Girl Yes..
An honest enemy way better. I don't really have friends so I can't really say
I feel you. Sadly, women like this exist at work, church, neighbors, family members, etc. I've never really had close female friends because of chaos. My best friend is my husband. I don't have time to gallop around with a bunch of females on the weekend. I have kids.
Adrienne kept it all the way real. she knew wassup, in the words of Maury it was a LIE
In the words of Maury 🤣🤣🤣 i died 💀💀💀
Me too that one killed me
If your eyes didn't see it, your mouth shouldn't say it..
Preach 🙌
I loved Simone's clap back. She stood up for herself and spoke her truth. There is nothing wrong with that.
I couldn't stop adding my 2 cents to myself while listening to this group chat topic. RHOA is my guilty pleasure, tho lol
Shout out to u, Tam Tam! U didn't allow ratings and film crews disrupt ur peace and ur bond with Tia. Bravo, bravo!👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Smiling wins you gold medals ? I’ll sign up for that sport! Where is it at Kelly ?
I think symone shouldn't *have* to smile, what does that have to do with dancing lol
Simone told a joke she wasn't being rude or having an attitude she literally was smiling when she said it!
Kelly...girl. Its always someone telling a black woman whats appropriate. Simone wins, dominates and folks have to find something. Man whatever...I don't think a woman who's come up is literally built off the success of her father should critique another woman who came up off her own back with every odd stacked against her. I think thats innapropriate, when you could never and literally HAVE never. Simone obviously knows first hand about her profession because she delivers when she competes. I swear...smh
Thank you! 👏👏👏
Okay but it wasn’t about her smiling DURING her routine, the host said “I was waiting for you to smile during those compliments, and you didn’t” um, she doesn’t have to freaking smile. She was LISTENING to the constructive criticism. So I don’t blame her. That was an annoying thing to say.
On the Simone Biles thing... I think it’s great that she was confident enough to clap back. Sure it can seem like she wasn’t taking criticism well or like she wasn’t being humble. So what? Women of color have to work so hard to get to what she has achieved and sure humility and respect goes a long way but I feel like this is the type of thing that if a white woman said she wouldn’t get so much negative attention from rather she’d be bombarded with #boss #brave along with other white feminist labels. I have nothing against white women or feminists but I think we should take the advice at the beginning of this video and stop tearing successful women apart for what they decide to do/say. Like that’s her game face and it is kind of annoying for men to tell women to smile.
FACTS!!!
I think if it was a man who said it to another man, it wouldn't have been a big deal. I think it's because it's a woman to a man and in the metoo era, is why the reaction happened
@Hannah Walmer: But WOMEN are the only ones talking about it and the only ones who care. How many straight men in your life made a big deal about Simone's comment? Men don't care. Men aren't the ones judging her; women are.
@@vlo4829 Men and women around me aren't talking about it because it's not a big deal damn lol. Please calm down and stop yelling
@Hannah Walmer: There was no yelling, kid, and YOU are the one who said it was a "big deal" because "it's a woman to a man in the meetoo era"...
Yes Kelly, there is a time and place to stand up for yourself...... it’s ANYTIME, ANYPLACE necessary!!!!
kelly how are you going to sell Simone what wins gold medals when you never won anything in your life?
That’s true. Moniece from love and hip hop said her and another cast member came to an understanding, and they had to reshoot it because production said that it was “too easy”. So at some point, people need to take responsibility and look into themselves and ask what is your cap? What won’t you do for money?
Just because someone seems kind in person doesn’t mean they are. Especially if you don’t have a close relationship with them AND other people they could possibly effect. But like Tamera eventually said if you don’t like seeing it stop watching and they wouldn’t still be on tv.
Simone smiled as she said smiles don't win gold medals. This was hardly a harsh or crazy attack against anyone. She was simply saying she didn't feel the need to smile right then is a somewhat shady way.
This is one of THE REALEST The Real I've seen.
Honestly... I appreciated all the ladies inputs because all five of them were in shows regarding reality whether it was regarding their own lives or a competition show or even hosting a show where they helping somebody else’s life being shown on the forefront... Tamera , Adrienne & Kelly all had reality shows that weren’t based on set ups/ fake drama for ratings... what you saw , was what you got ! And Jeannie’s was more of a quick little let me inspire women and make them feel better through their fashion whereas Loni competed on a show! So they all have valid reasons to say what they had to say and give the input they felt was necessary!
EVERYONE NEEDS TO PAY ATTENTION: The girls on the show made it out like the "smiling" comment was about her performing. IT WAS NOT! The host specifically said, "I was waiting for you to smile AT SOME OF THE COMPLIMENTS.....YOU DIDN'T" & at the same time, he gestured towards the judges on the panel (cuz that's what he was referring to). He was referring to Simone showing some happiness at compliments she was getting from the judges. Not referring to smiling during her performances. As a huge fan of Simone, her response was in poor taste. Her PR team is scrambling to fix it as I type, guaranteed. Anytime someone compliments you, what do you do??? Most people SMILE and say, "Thank you". The host noticed that Simone doesn't smile when hearing such positive compliments. Simone's "clap back" came off as arrogant and ignorant. But, it's also a learning experience for her. She is human. She is the PERFECT gymnast. But she is not a perfect person and NO ONE is. That's the point.
actually, I disagree, it was not in poor taste. what was in poor taste is antagonizing someone for no good reason. I don't smile when I get compliments from my professors and conductor about my performances. I'm LISTENING AND FOCUSING on what's being said. a smile is so minuet in that situation, and the judges didn't seem to care when they were giving her those compliments. do you know what shows gratitude? applying what you learned. not a smile. If she doesn't smile, so? she was dancing her butt off and giving 110%. I hope she isn't made to apologize for some dudes hurt ego. As she said, smiles do not get you gold medals, and it didn't get her those compliments from the judges either.
@@Queennari I hope it doesn't affect her future analysis from the judges. I really hope it don't. I wanna see her win so bad!!! Laurie Hernandez won in 2017. Shawn Johnson was on twice and came in 2nd place both times. It would be awesome if she won. No matter what, the number one rule in proper "complimenting" responses is to be humble. That response was not.
Nikki B you sound nuts. Like coo coo bananas. I’ve complemented tons of people in my day and people react in a million different ways. Some people are over the moon, some more stoic, some even angry lol. Actually bringing up the fact that it wasn’t about the performance but rather he feels she needs to be all smiles merely because they complemented her just proves Loni’s point. He wasn’t giving her a tip about her dancing. He just felt away she wasn’t as outwards jubilant as HE’D like. And to that I also say F U. He may personally think she needs to be grinning like an idiot because of a complement but that’s not her style. Sorry not sorry 😐
@@dinkyboss he could of felt she has a beautiful smile and the time to lighten up is after the performance. It's also a dance competition on national television. He's used to watching contestants smile and get excited from receiving excellent reviews. By the way my comment never stated that many dont react differently to compliments. I said "most" smile & thank you. I hope she wins. That's all I care about. So if I'm coo-coo for explaining what happened, or having nice manners, so be it. I'd rather be that any day of the week than have your qualities. "F-u", I think you said??? Yea, I'm not losing sleep over an ignorant person that gotta comment and grossly curse at another person. Maybe you're just having a bad day. Either way, I for one will be overjoyed if Simone wins DWTS! Im biased being a gymnastics fan but still, girl can dance! (And she's beautiful with a beautiful SMILE!!!)
@@Queennari love u'r response to the B.S.
Y'all see how Jeannie tried to "all lives matter" the situation and Loni and Tam shut her down??
Robyn Forbes which part? I didn’t catch it.
@@jonahr.1236 starts at 7:00 en than Tamera 7:26🔥
I don’t think so, she tried to say that woman’s of all races has being put one against each other, But they remembered her that it’s even worse with black woman(which is true), and I think she agree with that
Honestly that Part 4 reunion was absolutely ridiculous! I don’t understand how in the world Phaedra lied twice and didn’t even apologize not once and if she did... it was BS! First she said, she heard it from Kandi... then turned around and said she heard it from somebody and repeated! I don’t give a damn who you heard it from... if you’ve been friends with this woman , no matter your issues... I would hope you wouldn’t try your hardest get back at her and ruin her career over some petty stuff that you guys went through !
😎INTERESTING...FOR YOU TO BE A MALE YOU ALWAYS GIRL CHATE JUST LIKE A FEMALE!! SMDH
Phillips Watson Interesting how you can’t mind your business... I remember u being positive to me a few months ago... seems like thing have changed on your end... whatever negative stuff you have to say... I’m pray for you and wish you well! Thanks 🙏🏽
@@MajesticMyronn 😎
AGAIN...THIS IS A PUBLIC PLATEFORM DON'T PUT YOUR BUSINESS OUT THEIR....YES I'M STILL POSITIVE... COMMENTS CAN'T AWAYS BE PEACHES & CREAM LIKE DEALING WITH A LOVE ONE THAT DON'T MEAN YOU LOVE THEM ANY LESS!! 💃🎵🏃HAVE A FUN DAY!!
Hey ladies of the Real show, we watch y'all everyday and y'all ain't always right on there.
The same kind of thing happens in a lot of workplaces....it doesn't matter what color you are and men get involved too.
I didn't know men gossiped as much as they do and stir up mess!! Wow! 👀
They say not to watch drama television but they’ve clearly seen it. Drama is entertainment and that’s just what it is and it doesn’t mean it’s right
When they asked kelly if she wanted to be on the real, i think she mistakingly mixed up "the real" for "the view"
NONE of y’all can compare yourselves to Simone Biles so stop. I think she stood up for herself very appropriately 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Why would yall cut the clip right there. Loni was about to say some good stuff, I could feel it!
Yes! Wendy Williams is rich reporting to downfalls of others
Lol😂😂😂
Ooo they got REAL real on this chat 👀🍵
Simone stood up for herself. Thats all i liked bout it. You go Simone. Keep makin us prouder. You nail it in every field.
There are three kinds of lies
Lies
Damnd Lies
& Statistics
*Mark Twain*
According to statistics every human on this planet has average of one boob 😂
I’m with tamera and loni with this
I love that Loni is so protective of us colored people. It’s just so refreshing and she’s real with that. ♥️ 😘I’ve never been around girls who act like that. Why it’s called “reality” is beyond me. Of course, I’m only speaking of my experience. Love you ladies! ♥️😆😌
Preach, Tamera!! I love her! Lol. ♥️
SO TRUE WHAT LONI STATED!!! Women bashing and tearing one another up especially black women is disgraceful and also for any woman to participate in a trash of a show like this! I have never watched these shows because it's degrading and then women wonder why they are not taken seriously, called drama queens and opportunist! Go find something interesting in life that is making yourself and others a better version of themselves and build on that, help others, create something! It's just disgusting all these Real Housewives reality shows, just PURE TRASH!
Honestly, that kind of annoys me that they were trying to say that Simone was responding with an attitude. Like... not only did she say it with a smile but it was also articulate and well put. Why are people so pro- censorship in the court of public opinion? She can’t respond honestly to how the host made her feel with that unnecessary question. Smiling does NOT win you gold medals! Skill does. And furthermore she can smile or not smile if she wants to. It didn’t seem like she was firing back at the judges, it seemed like she was responding to the HOST’s question. I leave you guys with this question. Would anyone have said she was “firing back” or responding with an “attitude” if she wasn’t a black woman?
Exactly. Nuff said.
I think its a little weird that they’re saying don’t watch it when the drama on these shows is half the stuff that they talk about. But I guess they have to make a positive out of a negative 🤷🏾♀️
To be fair the guy was asking why she wasn’t smile during the critiques. Not during the dance. So I think her saying that was saying that she doesn’t have to smile to show that she is happy. I agree with Loni about the part of men telling women to smile.
Kelly speaking on gold medals in gymnastics is hilarious to me. Simone actually won OLYMPIC gold medals, sit down girl.
Thank You Soo much Loni!!! 💖💖💖 This is the exact reason why I can't watch things like this!! Love you so much for your comment!!
Of course Jeannie comes in with the “All lives matter” prospective🙄😂
istoleyoursugar yea cuz black people love making everything only about blacks.. ALL LIVES MATTER not just blacks 🤦
istoleyoursugar she said that because there’s more than black women on tv disrespecting each other... they literally have Real Housewives. Franchise literally out of 10 different versions this franchise has made only 2 of them star majority black women...
Victoria Smith are you slow? They were literally talking about RHOA which is a black show duh
It's all about context. Smiling may not get you gold at sporting events, but a different posture is expected in dance. And in any event, you have to be able to take constructive criticism and be respectful about it. That's how you learn & move forward. I understand that she's used to competing in gymnastics, but at the same time, she chose to compete in a dance competition. (Both events the judges has certain expectations and dance always involve a passionate expression).
Is it just me but I got distracted with Kelly’s hairstyle! It’s bomb!!! 💁🏻♀️👌🏼
Loni got REAL realllll👏👏👏👏
misery loves not only company but money too
I agree. For a winner I’m surprised she took criticism so hard. That’s not attractive and that’s not how you learn or grow
“There is a time and place and a way to stand up for yourself.” 🤔 So many thoughts about this statement… I wonder what she would say is the time, place and way? Guess I need to find the full episode to learn more.
"Ready for some girl talk?!"
"Yyyeeaaaaa!"
**40 seconds later**
Wtf ?!!
I love Kelly! I don’t understand why there’s some many negative comments towards her
I love when they talk bout stuff they know nothing about.
Smile or not she is legendary.... tell angel basset she didnt smile enough during her portrayal of Tina Turner. Black people get the job done! We weren’t afforded the luxury to smile during our duty to produce. Black women could’nt vote 100 years ago. People forget and behave outside their struggle.... when u are focused to break the frame the energy presented is focused.... not appeasing... Harriet tubman wasn’t smiling leading people of captivity..... she was focused to let people know freedom is obtainable. False Smiles got us captivated in the first place.
What ever is done in the dark comes to light is the correct way of saying it, I grew up with that being told to me by my mother to get me to tell the truth but I didn't growing up and now I have to tell the truth my truth our truth #gatewoods
Dancing is precise, at least when you do it professionally. I only did it in high school for years and if we missed a step everyone noticed.
Okay this is 2 years ago, why is it being brought up like it's a new episode
She did not say it to the female judge she said it to the male guy who said “I was waiting for you to smile at some of the COMMENTS” he was not criticising her dancing he was telling her to smile at the nice comments which is out 👏 of 👏order 👏
11:35 No Kelly, it does not. Simone is now one of the most decorated gymnasts in the history of the sport. And her personality had nothing to do with it. All skill.
Christopher Walker that line annoyed me. I didn’t realize that Kelly was a gold medalist in the gymnastics... oh wait... she’s not. Imagine thinking you know more about gymnastics when you’ve never done it than someone who won awards for the sport.
Kelly always finds a way to bring the conversation back around to herself and her extremely privileged experiences that have little relevance to the topic at hand.
Okay so, as a dancer and a gymnast, I can honestly say that smiling is so incredibly important both on and off the floor. My dance instructor and my gym trainer both used to preach a lot about the importance of being personable because you have to be able to show judges and adjudicators that you love what you do. In dance, as Kelly said, you have to emulate the emotion behind the routine you're performing and it's the same in rhythmic gymnastics. Artistic expression means being able to emote. Power gymnasts are less expected to smile during a routine but that's mainly because it really is judged more around skill and execution but one thing that is the same across all of gymnastics and all of dance is that, when you're receiving feedback, you smile and you appear gracious and humble. Overconfidence makes you look entitled and conceited and it paints you as unlikable. You have to be professional and what Simone said was NOT professional. Her attitude was very defensive and rude and, were she to speak like this to a judge in a gymnastics competition, she'd have been dragged across the coals. In any sport, you have to be disciplined and controlled. Where was the self-control in Simone's response?
If that is something she learned, she should have taken it to the police. This would need to be taken to court if that’s what Portia chooses. And if it’s false accusations then Freda should be arrested for defamation of character
The biggest part of dancing is showing the emotion of the dance. You HAVE to tell the story to the dance with your face not your body. She was rude and she wasnt "snapping back" she got defensive and was a bitch. I mean she was getting compliments....so fucking smile. She was entitled.
I'm not even gonna listen to an enemy. They don't have your best interest at heart so don't let their jealous, negative energy affect your shine!
It is written "Life and death rest on the tongue". Let us be mindful and think before we say anything.
I think honesty is always the best policy, but also, it’s situational. Like, if you plan a surprise party, you mostly lie to get the person out and wait til everything’s ready. Also, Santa is really a big thing. And it’s so sad because St. Nicholas Was a real person, and now it’s turned into a fad. I think Honesty is the best policy, when it comes to situations like this. If you know somethin, don’t be quiet, say somethin! The way it was said, in front of cameras, wasn’t good.
If your kids say sugar & fat free candy tastes bad and you tell them that’s how All candy tastes to get them to stop eating it, that’s a lie, but I think since it gives them health benefits, it might be a good decision. Everything isn’t always black & white. You should take it a day at a time.
They are right, I don't watch that kind of shows. I can't believe people live that way. Morals is more important than a check.
My understanding of what the judges said is that they want her to get into character more..I haven't watched the show to judge..but I'm assuming that's what she meant by that. I can't say if I agree or not just yet.
I don't think I want to be known for that. Even if you get rewarded.
I'm late but what I mostly didn't like was, the rumor or whatever wasn't a petty lie. Its not like she said, 'oh Kandy said that Porsha slept with someone's husband' and then Phaedra repeated that. She said they were going to drug and sexually assault another women. That's a serious offense, you can get jail time for that. The mindset to actually drug and assault someone diminishes your character, your morals, your humanity. That ain't cool, even if it was a for show and drama, thats still going way too far. That wasn't entertaining nor funny.
She was being critiqued and was absorbing all of it in, she doesn't have to smile if she doesn't want to. The host made her uncomfortable with that question and that's why she felt the need to answer all sassy.
The producers probably fed her a lie and she took it and ran with it. Doesn’t make it okay. She is still a piece of work for that.
A video longer than 5 minutes!? My lucky day.
Yes Loni!!!
I’m shocked they didn’t get where loni was coming from with the “smile thing” like her dance was amazing & if she doesn’t feel like smiling then she doesn’t fucking have to dang😒 like she was probably keeping it professional & neutral & just taking in the feed back like Adrienne said. Her & loni the only one who making sense & keeping it ALL the way real.
Simone is a SUPERSTAR dancing with the stars is for play. As an AA star she is always beimg critizized and she just let em kmow ot to come for her unless she calls them.
There go Jeannie again with the all lives matter approach loni said there putting black women against each other and Jeannie says we shouldn’t put ALL women against each other
B Summer because there’s more than just “ black reality shows “ on tv... the whole housewives franchise expect for Atlanta is made up of white women ... Jersey Shore is Italian... Little Women has multiple races... Love & Hip Hop has black people and Latinos on their cast... it’s not always a black issue... it’s a SOCIETY ISSUE !
Myronn Coleman but Jeannie does all the time she did the same thing with Harvey wine stein situation they were talking about his allegations and she just out of no where said r Kelly needs to be jailed
B Summer meaning any man not just Harvey Weinstein who has been indicted and proven to do things to women without consent should... R.Kelly is one of those men... considering she’s an ASIAN woman that was sexually assaulted and her own mother didn’t seem to believe and seeing that she works with issues like Human Trafficking on a GLOBAL level... maybe she has the input to say that! Once again we have to start somewhere and have the conversation! There are black people still listening to R Kelly’s music without even looking at evidence of some of the stuff he’s done... and to me being a black man... if u support his music , u support him and his behavior ! so the fact that an Asian woman wants him to go to jail not because he’s black but because she wants justice for the women who have spoke out... she gets looked at crazy ? Come on now... let’s be real !
she's not a black woman so she can't understand. We don't all have the same struggles.
Angel Mako I’m black but thanks... like I said... this is not a race issue considering not all reality shows are made up of black women arguing , white women , Italian people , couples& etc... all types of people are on reality tv so why tf are we making this a race thing...
Kelly tries so hard to be deep and profound but it’s always some empty nonsense 🤦🏻♀️
Phaedra is a lawyer she doesnt need that check loni !
Simone is the type of person who isn’t happy if they get a gold star in everything
Sad these types of shows flourish...I wish more positive reality shows got more Love.
And Now Tiny and TI accused of same thing🤦🏾
Meeting someone on a plane doesn’t mean anything about someone’s character.
"No no I would never mean it like that"