I know you've gone out of your way to make a disclaimer about how Furina's C6 has affected your view on Kinich's best teammates, but it still feels like it's heavily influenced your opinion this time around. If you haven't played a C0 Furina in a while, she's solid here but the inconsistent pyro auras (either from Dehya/Thoma being slow or XL missing) lead to missing vapes, you're team is a good bit more fragile due to the health drain and the occasional burning damage, and you don't get much in the way of fanfare stacks. She's good, because Furina is almost always good, but Emilie + sac Dehya/Thoma definitely feels better because you're getting about the same power (at C0R0) plus you're getting defensive utility for smooth runs. It's a lot easier to burst on both Kinich and Emilie too since they battery each other. Plus you get to save Furina for a team where she more clearly has a big impact at modest investment. But yeah, Kinich is fun, I always look forward to your takes
Yea. I genuinely like most of his takes but he has somewhat disconnected from what C0 furina plays like. That said, More and more ppl are/will pull her cons though. so his takes do reflect a decent amount of ppl’s experience.
The biggest issue with both kinich & mualani is almost being forced to use xiangling & I just can't take this suffering anymore, please release mavuika soon 😭
Nahida/Emelie with Dehya is a better performing team. Relying on pyro aura that’s behind a 80 burst cost is less consistent than using burning as your pyro aura enabler who’s application is E based, not Q.
IMO, Xiangling is less obligatory for Kinich than for Emilie, and legitimately so. Kinich can often move too out of enemy range that Xiangling pyronado can't reach, and she needs a ton of energy and on an unconventional set on her (deepwood) that doesn't work in her favor in any way. Thoma and Dehya offer a ton more utility and interact with Kinich's swinging far better as it works off a stationary point or aimed directly in front of the character. Dehya is more viable with deepwood than Xiangling. Bennett is also quite overrated for Kinich since his tether playstyle works against Bennett circle impact and especially when enemies move around which causes Kinich to lose tether unless moved with enemy.
Kinich needs Pyro Fischl, like Xangling is fine but when you try Dehya with Kinich, you won't even feel bad moving around since Dehya applies Pyro on the enemies and have bigger range despite of slow pyro app while Xiangling's Pyronado really requires Kinich to hug the enemies.
Easy resolution to this is Lynette. Her bogglecat box ult has a radius almost as wide as Emilie's and Lynette will give minimum 16% atk, and can carry deepwood since you won't have any significant dps contribution from pyro characters. Lynette will also do the enemy AI manipulation for you with her taunt that is indestructible for its duration. I do recommend that Lynette be at C2 which should increase her deepwood set application and the pyro application. You DO NOT need to Lynette ult within Bennett ult since Lynette's ult can absorb elements from your character attacks so Lynette can absorb pyro after being hit with Bennett ult. So Lynette c2 for more pyro application. Then having her C4 would help a lot with her ER reqs as it gives her another charge of her E, so 8 anemo particles instead of 4 would she give herself. I found Kinich/Lynette/Bennett/flex to be a pretty suitable team. Flex can be Emilie, Yaoyao if you don't have her [Yaoyao can give 15% dendro dmg bonus from c1, 20% atk with Tenacity, 16% atk from moonpiercer), Xiangling (Emblem or other), Zhongli, or a cryo support.
Same i kinda regret blowing my pity when trying to get c6 Chevreuse, but after playing with him a few days i got so much fun, now he's my main and alr got him C2
Basically speaking, move counterclockwise when pyronado is in contact with the enemy hitbox for it to linger a bit longer (and especially if the enemy has large enough hitbox), and move clockwise after it no longer hit to sync up with pyronado and speed up the time needed for the next hit to occur around the circumference.
Its funny that everyone was saying Mualani was clunky while praising Kinich when on my end Mualani is just plain fun to use and Kinich here was downright disorienting, dude made me dizzy lol. Good luck to you guys but im saving for Xilonen instead.
this. I’m glad we got to play mualani so much during the story because her combat was unbearable for me and ultimately influenced my decision not to pull for her, even though I love her character in the story.
Funny, because I felt the exact opposite. To me, sure Mualani sometimes misses her normal attack and that's a big hit to her DPR, but it doesn't happen enough to be more than a minor inconvenience to me and I'm not try hard enough to reset every time it happens. And it doesn't really detract from my enjoyment But Kinich to me felt almost unplayable, I hate how clumsily the camera moves with him and that he doesn't change direction quickly so you have to hold the button and there's a delay before he does it. It kinda just feels like I'm getting jerked around instead of controlling the character, and considering how I was already iffy about Wrio slinging around from enemy to enemy with his normals, it made gameplay really uncomfortable for me. I can definitely see how his gameplay can be polarizing. I'm glad there's a lot of people loving it though
@@AkiraN19 it’s all relative to the person of course. Like if I’ve being honest, arlecchino made every character I got after her feel clunky, but I also understand genshin can’t just make every character’s rotation just spamming normal attacks until they’re dead 😂
I think they're relatively similar in clunkiness. Sometimes, Kinich just uses nightsoul transmission in abyss, like if too far from enemy to be registered as in combat, and the swinging can cause motion sickness. A majority of Mualani's clunkiness is trajectory and interaction with puffers. She has more free motion, but at the expense of widening distance between her and the puffers she should collect in the situations with scattered or moving enemies. There is also the issue with trajectory with shark missiles, where they apparently spawn in the sky, making them unable to hit enemies in caves as the missiles are treated as tangible projectiles, thus blocked by Zhongli pillars or other obstacles. And the main issue is the input delay between the Normal attack button and the actual shark bite, as its like 1 second of the shark flip animation. That 1 second is 1 second that the enemy can move out of hit detection range. Mualani's shark bite just needs the tracking that Kinich's scalespiker cannon has. Kinich has a clunky interaction with Xiangling where he slowly distances himself from enemies as he swings, and in dodging through dashing, he can reattach to the wrong enemy. He can also tether to invulnerable enemies which is an issue and he suffers camera pointing issues on uneven terrain or when enemies teleport or fly. He has more visual-type clunkiness whereas Mualani is practical use clunkiness.
Kinich is definitely very fun to play for me in long time. He is so much fun, I love his playstyle. I would never regret pulling him, no matter where he ends up in meta.
The most fun I had with a char like this was nilou. And he felt like a fresh air. Also he made me want to exlpore even outside of natlan. Im quite amazed
but mr jstern, I heard somewhere that whales use c0r0 kinich over their c6r5 haitham to chill in a hyperbloom team and make sure they can proc the 4p obsidian effect, is this true?
Not trying to diss Kinich mains or anything, but bro felt borderline unplayable. Seeing people call Mualani more clunky than him is just plain insanity.
i didn't like furina with him at all. i am constantly at 50% hp and no energy on my pyro characters. so i tried triple pyro (Thoma on deepwood, Dehya on ToM and Bennett on nobles) and it feels really good and easy to play. i have healing, IR, guarantee burning and each set is buffing my Kinich. you can also use XL instead of Dehya if you wanna try this team
Huh Maybe that's why I haven't liked any Natlan 5 stars I play on controller on pc and, well, maybe you should try it to see if its better or worse. I'll try using mouse and keyboard later in the trial run
ngl i really do prefer Thoma over XL for him, especially having a serpent spine, the shield is very useful to prevent the stacks from going away, also if you manage to get a nice build on Thoma I feel like the burgeons start being competitive with xl in terms of dmg
Dehya has better synergy with Kinich and Mualani than Xiangling does with them. I BEEN saying this. Xiangling is a hindrance in those teams, Dehya is not.
@@merydex7717 Spoilers, he didn't xDD, so yea.. i can say from personal experience since i have furina and emilie at c0 they're pretty equal, emilie does more personal dmg, with furina Kinich does a little more damage, but overall Furina might be better especially with c2 and above..
I like how technical he feels when you’re really trying to minmax his damage. He’s strong enough to be competitive, but not so strong that he deletes everything without even trying (Alrecchino, Neuvillette). You can really feel the lack of Pyro options though. Neither Thoma, nor Xiangling, nor Dehya feel amazing with him. They’re just functional with him. Kinich needs Mavuika BAD.
I'm trying to get Kinich and lose 50-50, but end up getting C6 Chevreuse even though before this banner I don't even have her, the thing is I don't even play Arle nor Raiden nor Chlorinde
Why not just use Dehya? Does he not like her? This honestly just feels like cope NGL. Forcing Xiangling to work, while calling Dehya out for a cooldown preference that can be fixed with Sac is odd.
I never heard a single genshin CC pronounce Dehya's name correctly like ever. But I am still amused by the spin they put on it nonetheless. Probably Hoyo's fault LOL.
Maybe I have weird taste, but i dont find them jank at all, definitely prefer them over every other dps essentially just spaming normal and charged attacks
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I know you've gone out of your way to make a disclaimer about how Furina's C6 has affected your view on Kinich's best teammates, but it still feels like it's heavily influenced your opinion this time around.
If you haven't played a C0 Furina in a while, she's solid here but the inconsistent pyro auras (either from Dehya/Thoma being slow or XL missing) lead to missing vapes, you're team is a good bit more fragile due to the health drain and the occasional burning damage, and you don't get much in the way of fanfare stacks.
She's good, because Furina is almost always good, but Emilie + sac Dehya/Thoma definitely feels better because you're getting about the same power (at C0R0) plus you're getting defensive utility for smooth runs. It's a lot easier to burst on both Kinich and Emilie too since they battery each other. Plus you get to save Furina for a team where she more clearly has a big impact at modest investment.
But yeah, Kinich is fun, I always look forward to your takes
Yea. I genuinely like most of his takes but he has somewhat disconnected from what C0 furina plays like.
That said, More and more ppl are/will pull her cons though. so his takes do reflect a decent amount of ppl’s experience.
The biggest issue with both kinich & mualani is almost being forced to use xiangling & I just can't take this suffering anymore, please release mavuika soon 😭
Nahida/Emelie with Dehya is a better performing team. Relying on pyro aura that’s behind a 80 burst cost is less consistent than using burning as your pyro aura enabler who’s application is E based, not Q.
@@Blizandrio what if i dont have emelie
IMO, Xiangling is less obligatory for Kinich than for Emilie, and legitimately so. Kinich can often move too out of enemy range that Xiangling pyronado can't reach, and she needs a ton of energy and on an unconventional set on her (deepwood) that doesn't work in her favor in any way. Thoma and Dehya offer a ton more utility and interact with Kinich's swinging far better as it works off a stationary point or aimed directly in front of the character. Dehya is more viable with deepwood than Xiangling.
Bennett is also quite overrated for Kinich since his tether playstyle works against Bennett circle impact and especially when enemies move around which causes Kinich to lose tether unless moved with enemy.
Dehya better though, no?
@@Blizandrio Not Nahida. Her EM buff is useless on Kinich.
Unless it's a Burgeon team.
Kinich needs Pyro Fischl, like Xangling is fine but when you try Dehya with Kinich, you won't even feel bad moving around since Dehya applies Pyro on the enemies and have bigger range despite of slow pyro app while Xiangling's Pyronado really requires Kinich to hug the enemies.
@@neilgondra7379 c2 dehya is almost bis
@@nk30020 almost? then what's the BiS?
@@_zzeero most likely mauvuika soon
Pls Mavuika, Pyro Traveler and Xbalanque, don't disappoint us
Easy resolution to this is Lynette. Her bogglecat box ult has a radius almost as wide as Emilie's and Lynette will give minimum 16% atk, and can carry deepwood since you won't have any significant dps contribution from pyro characters. Lynette will also do the enemy AI manipulation for you with her taunt that is indestructible for its duration.
I do recommend that Lynette be at C2 which should increase her deepwood set application and the pyro application.
You DO NOT need to Lynette ult within Bennett ult since Lynette's ult can absorb elements from your character attacks so Lynette can absorb pyro after being hit with Bennett ult.
So Lynette c2 for more pyro application.
Then having her C4 would help a lot with her ER reqs as it gives her another charge of her E, so 8 anemo particles instead of 4 would she give herself.
I found Kinich/Lynette/Bennett/flex to be a pretty suitable team. Flex can be Emilie, Yaoyao if you don't have her [Yaoyao can give 15% dendro dmg bonus from c1, 20% atk with Tenacity, 16% atk from moonpiercer), Xiangling (Emblem or other), Zhongli, or a cryo support.
Kinich is definitely the most fun i had with a char in a while
spooderman salesman over lol (but i believe u)
sameee I didnt expect to love him that much in so many different aspects, gameplay included
Same i kinda regret blowing my pity when trying to get c6 Chevreuse, but after playing with him a few days i got so much fun, now he's my main and alr got him C2
Basically speaking, move counterclockwise when pyronado is in contact with the enemy hitbox for it to linger a bit longer (and especially if the enemy has large enough hitbox), and move clockwise after it no longer hit to sync up with pyronado and speed up the time needed for the next hit to occur around the circumference.
@@jackyyip5468 yep
The way I've started referring to is is twice clockwise, once counter clockwise
Its funny that everyone was saying Mualani was clunky while praising Kinich when on my end Mualani is just plain fun to use and Kinich here was downright disorienting, dude made me dizzy lol.
Good luck to you guys but im saving for Xilonen instead.
can't wait for mavuika to be xiangling powercreep/sidegrade like yelan to xingqiu so that i can still use them both everywhere
He definitely felt much better to play than mualani. Mualani just feels really clunky to me meanwhile he's so comfortable to play even on mobile
this. I’m glad we got to play mualani so much during the story because her combat was unbearable for me and ultimately influenced my decision not to pull for her, even though I love her character in the story.
Funny, because I felt the exact opposite. To me, sure Mualani sometimes misses her normal attack and that's a big hit to her DPR, but it doesn't happen enough to be more than a minor inconvenience to me and I'm not try hard enough to reset every time it happens. And it doesn't really detract from my enjoyment
But Kinich to me felt almost unplayable, I hate how clumsily the camera moves with him and that he doesn't change direction quickly so you have to hold the button and there's a delay before he does it. It kinda just feels like I'm getting jerked around instead of controlling the character, and considering how I was already iffy about Wrio slinging around from enemy to enemy with his normals, it made gameplay really uncomfortable for me.
I can definitely see how his gameplay can be polarizing. I'm glad there's a lot of people loving it though
@@AkiraN19 it’s all relative to the person of course. Like if I’ve being honest, arlecchino made every character I got after her feel clunky, but I also understand genshin can’t just make every character’s rotation just spamming normal attacks until they’re dead 😂
@@AkiraN19 Im with you. I tried his trial and immediately noped out.
I think they're relatively similar in clunkiness. Sometimes, Kinich just uses nightsoul transmission in abyss, like if too far from enemy to be registered as in combat, and the swinging can cause motion sickness.
A majority of Mualani's clunkiness is trajectory and interaction with puffers. She has more free motion, but at the expense of widening distance between her and the puffers she should collect in the situations with scattered or moving enemies. There is also the issue with trajectory with shark missiles, where they apparently spawn in the sky, making them unable to hit enemies in caves as the missiles are treated as tangible projectiles, thus blocked by Zhongli pillars or other obstacles. And the main issue is the input delay between the Normal attack button and the actual shark bite, as its like 1 second of the shark flip animation. That 1 second is 1 second that the enemy can move out of hit detection range. Mualani's shark bite just needs the tracking that Kinich's scalespiker cannon has.
Kinich has a clunky interaction with Xiangling where he slowly distances himself from enemies as he swings, and in dodging through dashing, he can reattach to the wrong enemy. He can also tether to invulnerable enemies which is an issue and he suffers camera pointing issues on uneven terrain or when enemies teleport or fly. He has more visual-type clunkiness whereas Mualani is practical use clunkiness.
yeah i'm about to build dehya just to not deal with xiangling
Been using dahya and she's so much more comfy than xingling
Kinich is definitely very fun to play for me in long time. He is so much fun, I love his playstyle. I would never regret pulling him, no matter where he ends up in meta.
Lol never realized the antisynergy and extra need for attention Xiangling might require, but you’re completely correct
They made him to work with the pyro archon?
Shocking
The most fun I had with a char like this was nilou. And he felt like a fresh air. Also he made me want to exlpore even outside of natlan. Im quite amazed
but mr jstern, I heard somewhere that whales use c0r0 kinich over their c6r5 haitham to chill in a hyperbloom team and make sure they can proc the 4p obsidian effect, is this true?
“Kinich take the wheel” 😂😂😂
Not trying to diss Kinich mains or anything, but bro felt borderline unplayable. Seeing people call Mualani more clunky than him is just plain insanity.
Most people who got him due to chevreuse find him 'fun'
HE LIKE HIM NOWAYING
Yeah, he's really fun and does good damage! I love him!
I need more practice on him but i already like him so much. I've been using Kinich Emilie Thoma Bennet and its so fun 😊
i didn't like furina with him at all. i am constantly at 50% hp and no energy on my pyro characters.
so i tried triple pyro (Thoma on deepwood, Dehya on ToM and Bennett on nobles) and it feels really good and easy to play.
i have healing, IR, guarantee burning and each set is buffing my Kinich.
you can also use XL instead of Dehya if you wanna try this team
use furina on fav and swap into her healing mode at the start of the rotation and back to damage before kinich and everyone starts at full hp
@@mysteriousmuffin6017 yeah, that might work. but for now the team that i cooked is enough for me. thanks tho
My Bennett has 286 ER using Aquila
My Furina uses ER Sands and Fav
And I use Dehya so no ER needed for her
There’s like literally no reason to use two pyro defensive pyro appliers for Kinich. Just. Build. Enough. Recharge. It ain’t that hard
@@mysteriousmuffin6017 i guess i can try that.
but for now my team feels like enough
Huh
Maybe that's why I haven't liked any Natlan 5 stars
I play on controller on pc and, well, maybe you should try it to see if its better or worse. I'll try using mouse and keyboard later in the trial run
ngl i really do prefer Thoma over XL for him, especially having a serpent spine, the shield is very useful to prevent the stacks from going away, also if you manage to get a nice build on Thoma I feel like the burgeons start being competitive with xl in terms of dmg
Is this team good?
Kinich, Thoma C6, Xingqiu C6, Baizhu?
Currently building Kinich but no idea if this team will be good or not
He feels more chill than c6 xq
I love genshin content
I would pull him but I’m a little concerned about getting motion sickness from the camera swiveling during his skill
Love the new mechanics tired of same playstyle
Same playstyle?
you mean same team ?
you mean same game?
You mean same company?
You mean same elements?
he really does feel like a kingdom hearts character both in playstyle and design lol
Please Mavuika saves from Xiangling cringe gameplay issues.
Dehya has better synergy with Kinich and Mualani than Xiangling does with them. I BEEN saying this. Xiangling is a hindrance in those teams, Dehya is not.
Kinich national
I use c2 dehya on the new craftable sword, and the cooldown isnt an issue...
compensate C6 furina ? how ?
125% dmg bonus btw
Hopefully by stripping his whole teams artifacts
@@merydex7717 Spoilers, he didn't xDD, so yea.. i can say from personal experience since i have furina and emilie at c0 they're pretty equal, emilie does more personal dmg, with furina Kinich does a little more damage, but overall Furina might be better especially with c2 and above..
Not really successfully
I was more interested in comparing emilie to xingqiu (the actual f2p option) anyway
I like how technical he feels when you’re really trying to minmax his damage.
He’s strong enough to be competitive, but not so strong that he deletes everything without even trying (Alrecchino, Neuvillette).
You can really feel the lack of Pyro options though. Neither Thoma, nor Xiangling, nor Dehya feel amazing with him. They’re just functional with him. Kinich needs Mavuika BAD.
Does Thoma hit targets that are far unlike pyronado.
I wonder how many ppl are here because they went for chevy cons.
I'm trying to get Kinich and lose 50-50, but end up getting C6 Chevreuse even though before this banner I don't even have her, the thing is I don't even play Arle nor Raiden nor Chlorinde
Why not just use Dehya? Does he not like her? This honestly just feels like cope NGL. Forcing Xiangling to work, while calling Dehya out for a cooldown preference that can be fixed with Sac is odd.
Tried him in the trial and he feels shit to play, skip for me.
@@kacper0563 based
(dendro albedo)
buhboom
damn right
I never heard a single genshin CC pronounce Dehya's name correctly like ever. But I am still amused by the spin they put on it nonetheless.
Probably Hoyo's fault LOL.
poggers
nice, i refuse to invest in dehya, building Thoma for gamer uchiha.
poggg
a unit that xiangling suck ass with? finally we slowly moving forward....
He literally said xiangling can still be his best option since she does more dmg than thoma n allows for your hydro units to vape more often.
I really hate Xiangling here. "but muh Pyronado damage" well she barely hits any cuz of Kinich's range. I cant wait for Mavuika.
This isn't zzz...? What game is this
genshin
This is punishing gray raven
Elden impact
Red dead redemption
Ez skip
I found Kinich to be the clunkiest character they made, the next being mualani. I hope the next dps playstyle isn't as jank
tbf, neither have their real best supports yet.
yea, cant wait Mavuika kit so we cansee the whole pizza.
@@BluzRok46 even that aside, I found them very uncomfortable to play
Maybe I have weird taste, but i dont find them jank at all, definitely prefer them over every other dps essentially just spaming normal and charged attacks
I really enjoy kinich but despise mualani
Dehya > Xiangling > Thoma
This is my preference.
Dehya/Benny/Emilie/Kinich is my favorite team.
Now we wait for Mavuika.
Can Dehya solo sustain or I'm doing it wrong? Onfielder has dropped to red HP already and she is still almost full HP in thw background.
@@Kicksrockskids Are you not running Bennett? If so then that sounds like a skill issue to me.
@@skeletalknight no. I said solo sustain
@@Kicksrockskids Yes she can. Build more HP on her if she can't. But using Kinich without Bennett is kinda ass right now. Would not recommend.