@@jessl1934 That's pre-Heresy Lorgar. Post-Heresy Lorgar would curse at him, lock himself in his tower to 'meditate' while Corvus is scratching the windows wanting to go in.
Deamon Magnus: Father? Father? The Corpse-Emperor!? MY FATHER!? Big E: YES, YES STOP YELLING ,SO FUCKING LOUDLY YOU DEAMONIC GOOD-FOR-NOTHING 'BOOK'-BANGER'' Rogal Dorn: Your statement is incorrect father. I have only ever seen Lorgar attempt such a thing. Daemon Lorgar: THAT IS ENTIRELY UNTRUE! I HAVE NEVER HAD INTERCOURSE WITH ANY BOOK IN MY POSSESION! *SHATTERING GLASS* Big E: Please erase these images from my mind immediately! Corvus Corax:🤣🤣🤣
@@Peter-h5n5h except the Imperial cult has empowered the Emperor. He is now arguably stronger than any singular chaos demon. Humanity's greatest strength is their faith.
@@Peter-h5n5h The Imperial Cult? Probably Billions... kind of just a fact of life in the 40th Millennium. Pencil pushing bureaucrats with the Munistorum kill billions in the Imperium by moving 0s and 1s haha. Without the Imperial Cult the Imperium would have fallen to the predations of Chaos long ago
@francescocarlini7613 I suppose I do. I think it's important to note that he knows they exist. An atheist doesn't believe they exist. It's kind of impossible for the Emperor to be an atheist.
@@christopheraaron1255Big E doesn't see the Chaos entities as Gods. He sees them as powerful agragores who prey on living species from the materium. When the Emperor says "there are no Gods" what he's really saying is "there are only some monsters pretending to be gods."
As a Christian I really like how the power of faith is portrayed in Warhammer 40K I like how it's mysterious instead of explicitly being a warp based power. I also like how faith keeps the imperium going in a way faith is like humanity's superpower in Warhammer 40K keeping the morale high in the imperium while also having a tangible effect on the world though things like living saints.
And like Christianity, it suppresses any deviance, any difference, any other faith. The Imperial Inquisition is based on the Spanish and Papal Inquisition. The Hierarchy is that of the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churchs and the massive wealth and hypocriscy. The faithful are like the fundamentalists that drank the Kool-Aid with Jones and burn witches.
You and me both brother, its actually helped me connect with my Christianity on a deeper level than I have before. I'll always cherish 40k for that, no matter what direction the franchise goes
Brothers! As a Children’s Pastor I adore the child like faith of many of the imperial citizens. Gaunt’s Ghosts shows a very powerful version of faith, at one point Gaunt even doubts his belief and he works through that. I enjoy the journey’s we see of faith and how the writers portray faith. I feel as if there is a respect for religion even if they don’t believe.
And some people think Christians are anti fun, yet here we are, enjoying lore about a fantasy atheist and his radical worshipers in a video produced by a Hindu. 😁
Very well laid out comparison to Christianity Two things, however. Firstly, you neglected the spiritual aspect of belief in the Emperor. Early Christians went to horrific deaths without hesitation because of their hope of eternal life. A Guardsmen would get a terrific moral boost if he believed the Emperor would protect his soul from the forces of hell in life, and, that upon death, the Emperor would receive his soul. Secondly, rich Romans who converted to Christianity were almost exclusively women, attracted by that hope of eternal life, especially for lost children, and by Christians' revolutionary treatment of women.
As someone who is agnostic hearing the real events that this franchise draws inspiration from, especially one i have very little knowledge on, is super interesting. Great video!
You say that like he wasn't literally shiting out his own guts every second he was around Slaanesh. His meeting with Slaanesh can be best described as hiding under a blanket and hoping it goes away.
There is another layer of irony one could point out. A lot of people complain that there are no human factions of note that oppose the Empire and are not aligned with Chaos either, and especially no sort of secular uprisings. But a big part in that is directly linked to the dogmatic character of the Imperial Cult and especially the whole 'Follow orders unquestioningly' aspect. No matter how justified, any form of protest can be branded as heresy by the authorities, and at that point, Chaos Cults can support the uprising and slowly push the people towards their eldritch horror of choice, as they have nothing to loose anymore. If they stop protesting and resisting, they'll just be killed, and without some outside party offering supplies or more direct support, the uprising will just be destroyed. So a rebellion that reaches the point that it matters on the tabletop game scale, is just absorbed into the cult or cults that have hijacked the whole thing.
I think you could make an interesting video about the power of faith in Warhammer 40K like if the power of faith is different from psychic power in Warhammer 40K or not which personally I think the power of faith is different from psychic power in Warhammer 40K.
The first Cult of the Emperor would be someone like the old priest in "The Last Church" who started to believe in a god like being that later turned out to be the very Emperor burning down his last church on Terra.
Luetin is a master of saying sentences that lead into sentences that lead into sentences but never getting to the damn point. Of course people are gonna stretch their content and I respect the hustle but Luetin is on a completely different level. And Arch is a crypto-fascist.
@@jessl1934 I've been called a crypto-fascist before. It was years and years ago, and I haven't seen it used since. Funnily enough it was also while discussing 40k. Must be a lingering strategy... Basically, it's a sneaky way of calling someone a mean thing, while also *acknowledging* and simultaneously *dismissing* the fact you have no proof of the person actually being this mean thing you are trying to call them. Otherwise, you would just call him a fascist.
Congratulations on the uptick in viewers. Your long form content is always great to watch. When I first heard about the Age of Apostasy, I noticed the similarity to the 30 years war. I would love to see a video where you talk more about the Age of Apostasy.
To me it never made sense to the Emperor being a turbo-atheist, who wants to build a wholly secular empire, all the while running around displaying god-powers and the ability to create superhuman warriors sons. One way it can be reconciled (I think) is to say that the Emperor was "in on the joke", deliberately straining the levels of contradictions for the sake of some 14 dimensional chess scheme he had.
Just because the Emperor walked around with a godly aura, wore glorious golden armor, stood taller than Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and displayed god-like powers doesn't mean he was divine or wanted to be worshiped like a god, it is his right to look that way without being worshiped and we should respect his wishes.
I mean on one hand this joke does actually hold up logically, especially when taking into account the Emperor's plans for an Ascendant humanity. All those traits are not NECESSARILY exclusive to divinity, and are in fact things he wanted to have spread to the rest of humanity eventually. But then reality catches up and the difference between standing your ground and making your impossible dreams a reality and bullheaded idiocy is ultimately success, and the Emperor definitely did not succeed in presenting himself as anything other than a god, if he even attempted to at all You might think you can lift a mountain with your bare hands, and putting your all into trying every day can certainly be admirable, and while it would certainly be amazing if you did manage it, you only have yourself to blame for looking like an idiot when your back snaps in half one day
He could have gotten rid of the golden glow at least, I think that would have made it a lot more believable that he was just a warrior king rather than a god
@@oldeskul i think the golden armor, 14 feet size, massive flaming sword, a huge claw for a hand and has an army of 10,000 custodes to boot might be enough for people to make assumptions.
90% of Horus Heresy lore: [x] was the smartest, strongest being humanity had ever produced" (proceeds to do something incredibly stupid and short sighted)
Congrats man, been one of your earliest subscribers. I don't even play the game lol. I just enjoy good open honest conversations, stories and people. Keep it up
I really think that saying Emperor is Atheist is underselling it. The way I see him is Antitheist. Even though he's undoubtedly God in all sense and purpose for a normal human he opposes the idea of worship instead of God's existence. Faith gives room for using the teachings as personal gain and uprising. Goge Vandyre would be a prime example in the lore alone.
Congrats on your rising numbers. You really deserve it! If I want a quick Video without much depth, I watch Majorkill. But if I want to get philosophical about Warhammer, I watch you first.
I think you're spot on about the historical inspiration for the holy wars angle. I had assumed I had seen the parallels only because I had first started reading 40K novels while studying that period of history around the thirty years war.
I'm loving your content mate. Your long videos are on point and although I don't normally dig shorts, your shorts are by far my favourite. They are easy to digest and thought provoking. Keep the good times coming my man.
I don’t think it has much relation beyond both wars were fought partially due to religious schism. The Holy Roman Empire mostly just weakened itself and Protestantism didn’t end being the dominant religion. Arguably Catholicism was strengthened in the empire after they stopped fighting to suppress Protestants along with Catholic France becoming the dominant European power in the aftermath. For the age of apostasy to be similar it would require the war to burn itself out and then morph into a war against the imperium’s enemies.
Fun fact, in the early middle ages (before the submission of Holy Roman Emperors to the papacy) popes were routinely kicked out of Rome by the Senate. To be fair that was also the time when powerful families took over old imperial landmarks and turned them into fortresses with the most influential one living in the Colosseum so they probably had a pretty easy time throwing out one old man.
11:50 this is a misunderstanding of the term mystery religion. A mystery religion is not simply one that meets in secret. The closest you get to Christian's being a mystery religion were the gnostic heresies. A mystery religion is one which claims you need some secret knowledge that only the inner circles have to be saved. Christianity is quite explicit with sharing the one piece of information they have namely the death and resurrection of Jesus everything else was publicly available in the Jewish scriptures. A mystery religion is more like the guy that says you need to take shrooms to open your mind to what's real.
To be saved in early Christianity the adept needed to be initiated into Paul's mystical doctrines in order to be transformed into an exalted celestial being when the imminent apocalypse came. It was a mystical doomsday cult with nebulous doctrines that Paul only ever writes about in convoluted, obscure language. Paul's faith (and by extension his follower's) was based on mystical visions of Jesus, not scriptures.
I was wondering if there was someone who would say this. Glad to see. Mystery cults are a different thing compared to the early church. I believe St Iraenus of Lyon addresses this too.
Excellent video 👌 I'd love to hear you're thoughts about how you think Emps could have handled the cults. Tone down the god aesthetic, embrace it? Inform the primarchs a little more? I'd like to see what you think. Congrats on your growth m8, you're awesome
Great video! As a Christian and one that Studied church history I throughly enjoyed your take on all of this. I also didn’t know that there were pseudo denominations in the imperial cult like you mentioned.
Practically, the Imperial Cult have different ways to worship the Emperor depending on the planet - Agri-Worlds would worship him as a provider of plentiful harvests, in a Hive World, it would worship him as an exemplar of honest trade and rulership, an Imperial World would have akin to a "normal" church we have now, in a Primitive World, it would be something out of a shaman/Conan type god, and so on... And don't even start on the Adeptus Mechanicus - they see the Emperor not as a god (they worship the Machine God, instead) but they see the Emperor as a "Jesus" (the Omnissiah).
A pet peeve, people lately use "figurehead" to refer to a leader, but it means someone in a prominent position without real power or influence, like the figurehead on a ship's prow. I've felt the initial portrayal of the Tau was inspired by the popular image Islamic empire with the religion stripped out. Younger, more humane and open the scientific advancement, preferring long range attacks to the melee their armored imperial enemies use.
@@elliotyourarobot Archery was one of the main differences with the west, like Palomedes the Saracen in the Arthurian legends, so it could be exaggerated.
6:25 A quote I love from Iysander & Koda, "...there's no lawyer on Earth who can protect him from the divine allegations" (The Sisters of Battle... 8:41).
This is an amazing analysis of the setting and real world inspiration! Sure big setpiece battles are cool but the sociopolitical means through which they came about are much more interesting imo
I agree with you 100% on your comparisons. I always saw the Emperor as a parallel to the Holy Father, and Sanguinius as a parallel to Jesus. Excellent work man.
Ooh, you did a whoopsie! Alicia Dominica was not a Sister of Battle, nor had the Adeptus Sororitas been founded when she ended Vadire's reign of terror.
1. There's novels were ecclesiarchy characters include Lorgar as a loyalist in the post-heresy setting - presumably because he is/became known as the writer of the LD. 2. While Thor does provide a parallel to the early protestant leaders (more Calvin and Zwingli than Luther) and the whole thing definitely does look like a big reformation reference, the absence of a significant shift in the economic order (early capitalism emerging from late feudalism) has always struck me as a missed opportunity for GW... Not that they can really do much given the settings requirements for a bizarre total war economy that is also mind bendingly decadent...
Hello sir do you have a minute to talk about our lord and saviour the four armed Emperor? I like how genestealers try to infiltrate the Imperial Faith with their own sects, especially on fringe and mining worlds or anywhere people are opressed and not too well educated. Sometimes they target rich and civilized worlds but it's harder to infiltrate there.
It makes a lot of sense that Warhammer 40K has Christian influences what how many other influences 40K has of course it would also be influenced by the most popular religion.
Emperor: * Intentionally descends from above in a shower of golden light to the rapturous chorus of psyhic cherubim as his ermine cape billows in the wind and his sword made of fire makes the brilliance of the mythical excalibre look like a flashlight by comparison.* Ordinary not 14ft people: * prostrate themselves in worship of the golden God king * Emperor: "Ew! -- Stop being cringe! It is so not based to worship god figures even though I specifically moulded my appearance to be as godlike as my posthuman magical psychic powers allow!"
The texts weren't the issue: Buddhism spread much further than Hindiuism but it doesn't have any canonized texts either, much less easily comprehended ones. There are a few well-recognized sutras, like the Vedas, the Upanishads or the Bhagavad Gita, but none are universally sought after for constant guidance in daily life the way the bible is. I will grant, however, that the most essentially teachings of Buddhism were codified by readily transmitted mnemonic devices: the four nobles truths, the eightfold path, etc. Buddhist scriptures are often kept in a kind of rotating cabinet, and some Buddhist monks joke that you can gain as much wisdom as reading them by rotating said cabient a full 360 degrees. Zen in particular emphasizes as part of it's core "teaching" that realization is not transmitted by word, much less books. The main reason Christianity spread so effectivly is that it was transmitted _across_ filial lines rather the purely _through_ them: Judaism and Hinduism could never have supported an empire on the scale of the Muslim Caliphates or the Holy Roman Empire because Judaism is the faith of a people bound by geneology: they are the sons of Israel, so the idea of somone not of that line being a Jew is counterintuitive. The only way to make more Jews in ancient times was to literally breed them. But that takes nine months wereas a Christian can be made in the time it takes to submerse a person in water. Hinduism similarly is geograhically locked to the Indian subcontinent. Many Hindu's have migrated from India, but the idea of proselytizing isn't a big part of classical Hinduism so it hasn't spread aross populations to nearly the same extent. This kind of widespread transmission in the innovation of later faiths. Christianity is essentially Judaism stripped for export in the same way that Buddhism is Hinduism stripped for export. Part of the meaning of such teachings as "The Kingdom of God is within you" is that a person comes to revelation of the divine not by their material attributes or success, but their inward spiritual character. Which means that all a person has to do to become a Christian, or simialrly a Buddhist, is to agree to follow the relevant customs. There is no debate among Christians about whether or not living in Turkey or Korea or Nevada makes you a real Christian, but Hindus debate if a real Hindu can live anywhere but India, or so I've heard. There are no demographic or geographic deliniations. Ironically the sentiment that the divine is to be found within is no doubt something of a banal sentiment from a Hindu point of view, but it was not obvious for the Jews because the divine was externalized within their collective psyche. The 3rd centuary crisis wasn't a lucky break for Christianity because the funny thing about "the end of the world" is that it's predictable. Anytime a chrisis occurs at all, which is all the time, someone somwhere will say, "Repent! For the end is nigh!" There were many sects of Chrsitianity back in the day that died out because their beliefs didn't sustain them, so the one present at that time in Roman was already the most persistent strain. It was only a matter of time before they hit it big. And speaking of persistence, as possibly the oldest of any extant religion, that is something Hinduism will necessarily never be beaten on for the rest of our natural lifetimes.
Hey man, been watching your channel a while and your videos have just been getting better. Please dont give up the good thing you have going to become a journalist... Journalist isn't the job you think it is. You will be forced to write about whatever you are dictated to, and you will present the view that aligns and strengthens their narrative, and the job itself is disappearing as massive news organisations are laying off en masse. You create entertainment, and you're very good at it. Journalists create propaganda, or else they dont last.
Most of the best journalists, did their (best) work alone. He could do it independently like most are now. The truth for them, the most memorable is that: "The highest honour in journalism, is to be assassinated by the CIA".
This is why I think the emperor picked when to show himself. He may had not want to come off as a god but he’s been around for around 40k years and knew well how people view people as divine. Imagine for the past couple thousand on earth plenty were seen that way. People needed a messiah and he just pops up. Could have when humanity was at its tech zenith but imagine humans had the tech to tell him to kick rocks and could match him. Instead he waited til humanity was beat down lost most of its tech and was barely surviving. Then like a miracle an 14ft angelic man with a flaming sword surrounded by 9ft tall superhumans and could conjur supernatural events with psychic power. Humans were craving a savior someone in a word divine, then being humble like a benevolent god says he isn’t one. Like a supermodel being told she’s beautiful and refuting it knowing good and well she’s a 10.
While I would disagree with you on some aspects, or details like the significance of the early church being on the Mediterranean, & part of the Roman Empire which was really influential when the apostle Paul who's ministry was to the gentiles despite being "an Hebrew of the Hebrews" was imprisoned, but as a Roman citizen he had a legal right to stand trial in Rome which is how he & the Gospel spread like wildfire in Rome, & then throughout the Empire (I love the book of Acts). This was really well done! I've notices a lot of Christian references especially in The End & the Death series which makes it clear that different aspects of Christianity as you stated are influences for the Imperium.
The Emporor: I am not a god. I just created a pantheon of demi-god like beings, have powers that transcend the abilites of even the most powerful psychers, have a glowing halo of light around me at all times, and created and entire philosophy called 'The Imperial Truth' that is the one true way for humanity. But I am not a god.
It has more to do with the Roman Imperial cult that believed in the divinity of the emperor and the imperial family. Which spread as a wildfire from the time of Augustus rule
the age of Apostasy was around the early 36th Millennium, the hypothetical 11th founding would've happened a bit before it. "a bit".. 100s of years, in 40k same difference.
Very good video, I honestly think how Imperial Truth is one of the few things that is stopping the spread of Chaos into the galaxy. But I do have critique for the Christianity history bits as you did not include the Eastern Orthodox Church and the original split of the Churches in 1054. Not only was it important as the Pope itself was not the main figurehead but one of the Patriarchs of the Church of the time (he was Patriarch of Rome, others were from Carthage, Alexandria, Jerusalem, Antioch and Constantinople and they were all equal in power) but after the split in 1054 (which happened because Pope decided to go independent and have entire Church power for himself while Orthodox Church was combating the rise of Islam in the East) the Eastern Orthodox Church kept the original traditions and faith of the early Christianity while the Roman Catholic Church have gone their own way and have their own traditions now. Other than that, the way Catholic Chruch alone worked and 30th Years War is exactly how Imperial Creed was portrayed in the 40k.
Not why the Great Schism happened, LMFAO. The Great Schism happened because the Orthodoxy didn't like that they added in the Filioque to the Nicene Creed. The Pope had ALWAYS maintained absolute power, infact, the understand of Papal power was far more strict in the Apostolic age than now. I suggest you actually read about the early Church, Pope St. Clement of Alexandria would like to have a word with you, along with St. Cyprian of Carthage & St. Irenaeus of Alexandria, among many many others. The Patriarch of Constantinople had ALWAYS deferred to the Pope as the leader of the faith. It is an objective fact that Orthodoxy went apostate from Catholicism.
@@jamsheedsneed6257 Spoken like a true Catholic. In the east Pope was never seen as one with the absolute power, he was simply entrusted with the faithful in Italy with the residence in Rome. All Patriarch were equal, none were more powerful than the other. But you did said one thing right - Catholics added Filioque to the Nicene Creed and thus diverge from the true teachings of the Church. And when Orthodox Church was at it's weakest Catholics went independent from the rest of Christianity and took everything in the west under themselves. Should I also note how only assistance they ever sent were Crusaders which took Holy Lands for themselves only to lose them few centuries later and most famously how they sacked Constantinople in 1204 and thus put a nail in Christian presence in the east for the next 500 years. If not for eastern Slavs and Ethiopians the Orthodox Christians would have slowly disappeared under Ottoman rule. I would suggest that you read a little more about overall Church history and not see Pope as the ultimate ruler of all Christians but simply a Patriarch who took the opportunity to grow his power. I would like to see what would Saints of the united Church think about medieval Popes who crown and control Kings, had affairs with both men and women, utilize political power to further their own gains. All the while their eastern brothers were suffering under Muslim rule.
@@2SSSR2Hey buddy, it's a sin to tell a lie! You speak like a truly uninformed Orthobro trying to spread laughably wrong drivel on the web where you stay. “But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the succession of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition” (Against Heresies 3:3:2 [A.D. 189]). "You therefore, who laid the foundation of this sedition, submit yourselves to the presbyters, and receive correction so as to repent, bending the knees of your hearts. Learn to be subject, laying aside the proud and arrogant self-confidence of your tongue. For it is better for you that you should occupy a humble but honourable place in the flock of Christ, than that, being highly exalted, you should be cast out from the hope of His people. (57) If, however, any shall disobey the words spoken by Him through us, let them know that they will involve themselves in transgression and serious danger; . . . (59) Joy and gladness will you afford us, if you become obedient to the words written by us and through the Holy Spirit root out the lawless wrath of your jealousy according to the intercession which we have made for peace and unity in this letter. (63)" Pope Saint Clement, First Epistle/Letter of Clement to the Ephesians “The Lord says to Peter: ‘I say to you,’ he says, ‘that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not overcome it. . . . ’ [Matt. 16:18]. On him [Peter] he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep [John 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. . . . If someone [today] does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?” (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4; first edition [A.D. 251])." St. Cyprian of Carthage. I could go on and on and on. You reject Christ by rejecting the Pope, I hope you can repent and come to the truth.
the imperial cult is a large part of what is preventing chaos from winning, but it isnt really able to defeat it either, and on top of that is causing human civilization to slowy eat itself alive due to the suppression of science and learning, which we know due to the interex isnt automaticly a way of opening the door for chaos. Its a desperate struggle that can never really be won due to the chaos gods being tied to core parts of the human experience, making them more powerful than the emporer will ever be. It holds the line, but isnt really strong enough to push back and is killing humanity in the long term due to the loss of knowledge that they need to survive, though to be fair the machine cult also has a lot of blame for this.
"If somebody is going to make this undertaking, the most monumental personal undertaking in the entirity of human history, for tens of thousonds of years, you're going to need a lot of faith in that person inherently." And the only way to do it is to upstage Yahweh so badly your fasion sense makes him feel like a tramp? Paul Atriedes didn't need to look anything more than human (at least physically) to rule the known universe as God Emperor and he didn't fare any worse than big E over here. It honestly makes him look like he's compensating for something or, more interestingly, that despite himself he in some way feels he actually has to live up to the legacy of Terran deities and perform the impossible: he impells his people to iconoclasm not because he doesn't respect religion but because, deep down, he aspires to it. Tha tis the real reason I think the Emperor attempts to ape the gods, though he himself may not have admitted it: their myths weight heavily on him and even give him cause to doubt himself. "The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom."
One thing I can never figure out does the imperial cult have any moral prescriptions? I keep seeing it called space Catholicism but the Jurgen is devout but also a porn addict. Also I dont get why atheist 30k has people constantly talking about the emperor blessed by all, or referencing holy terra
Probably the virtues of hard labor, honesty and sacrifice but skimps out on the patience and curiosity because that privilege lies in outside the "common man" with vague rewards akin to heaven for those who pass on see the line "Only in Death does (your) Duty end."
Where is the reference that the emperor is 14 foot tall?? Ive read almost all the lore and never read it. He always presents as normal height but glowing like a god, hard to look at, which is correct.
Like your stuff man but piece of advice. Do not go into journalism. Find something else. It’s a bad, dying field. You will have a real shit time getting a career going. It’s been that way for more than a decade as ad revenue has been drying up. I did journalism in college and wanted to do it when I graduated, and I gave it a solid shot. I loved the idea that I could root out corruption and all the stupid shit going on in the world and thought that’d be enough, and found it incredibly compelling. However, even the top guys at my student newspaper, which had more than 20k printing ever day, were getting shit jobs that paid next to nothing. I went into finance and do something that’s comparable to journalism now, but I actually make good money. Find a niche that you can do well in and which isn’t in that field. Good luck.
Journalism, especially in mainstream media is the farthest thing from rooting out corruption. Many are just paid to read out whatever is laid in front of them no mater it doesn't make a shred of sense and push political agendas. It doesn't matter if you are good or have good intentions. Politicians want monkeys with microphones not real journalism. And even if you stay remotely independent there is a viewers critical mass after which the men in black come with a trade offer- become the next Alex Jones or dissapear. They like fringe 'oposition' conspiracy theorists and actually sponsor them and provide the scripts. They spread misinformation.
@@raphaelalexandreyensen6291 its left a bit vage on perpous, but there are hints, like how the Big E talks about all the bad things his own faith had done in the past. Acts compited by the Catholic church. Also the church is hinted to be a very famous Christian church in the north England.
Anthropologist here, religion pre-dates HUMANITY. Our sister taxa of Neaderthal had organized religion TENS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE US!! The Neanderthal Cult of the Cave Bear
Actually athiesm predates humanity, way before people started praying on gullible idiot’s and manipulating them i to joining their cults. Religious people truly are a blight on humanities progression, just a bunch if mentally lazy idiot’s manipulated by their cult leaders. Don’t forget everyone is born an athiest until they’re indoctrinated by a cult.
What philosophy/branch of Hinduism do you follow, if you don’t mind my asking? Shiva’s abode on this earth is Mt. Kailash in the Himalayas, so maybe you guys secretly beat the rest us to Big E by over 30,000 years.
As a Christian ho Is a student of history and theology in my opinion Warhammer 40k compare to other pop culture universes has a different take on chrianity because Warhammer 40k Takes place in Our timeline just 27000 in to the future up to Horus Hersey in 30k and i think in my opinion that Imperial Cult Is the new form of Chrianity let me explain during the war to unite the old earth BIG E band and destroy all religions of earth and in the short story ,,the Last church " he burned down the Last church its not Said wich church but Is probabliy a Christian church.After that as the time goes on Imperial Cult gets bigger and bigger and more popular and then Horus Hersey happens and we have the first Saints and a Word bearer Anchorite (Dreadnought) ho surrendered to the Ultramarines after the battle of Calth wihle in his cell trough parying Send Chaos abominations back to the warp.And after Horus Hersey Imperial Cult made Imperuim of mankind a theocracy with the Ecclesiarchy and trough teachings of the Lectitio Divinitatus the ,,new bible" and God Emperor in my opinion went form being a super general uniting old Earth and becoming the messiah during the Sige of Terra and now on the Golden throne as martyr ho now in 41st millenum have divine intervention using Saints and Legion od the legion of the damned.Plus the church schism and diffrent teachings like you Said in the video in the Galaxy where mankind fights forces of darkness and alines with new form of Chrianity. Sorry for the Long texet
It was the Church of the Lighting Stone, I think, dedicated to a miracle of either blinding or curing thr blindness of the man who built it and became the priest.
Lorgar: “Hi Dad. How does it feel being a God?”
Man Emperor: “I’d tell you to go fuck yourself, but Rogal Dorn’s comments have scarred my brain.”
The problem with the Emperor telling Lorgar to do that is that Lorgar would have taken it as an instruction and he would have actually attempted it.
@@jessl1934 That's pre-Heresy Lorgar. Post-Heresy Lorgar would curse at him, lock himself in his tower to 'meditate' while Corvus is scratching the windows wanting to go in.
Hey tts reference
Deamon Magnus: Father? Father? The Corpse-Emperor!? MY FATHER!?
Big E: YES, YES STOP YELLING ,SO FUCKING LOUDLY YOU DEAMONIC GOOD-FOR-NOTHING 'BOOK'-BANGER''
Rogal Dorn: Your statement is incorrect father. I have only ever seen Lorgar attempt such a thing.
Daemon Lorgar: THAT IS ENTIRELY UNTRUE! I HAVE NEVER HAD INTERCOURSE WITH ANY BOOK IN MY POSSESION!
*SHATTERING GLASS*
Big E: Please erase these images from my mind immediately!
Corvus Corax:🤣🤣🤣
I doubt you will read this but you have earned that channel growth with your unique take on a Warhammer channel.
People often forget, how lenient Malcador was towards the cult. He had every opportunity to kill it at the beginning, but did nothing.
He probably should've with all the destruction that came with it
@@Peter-h5n5h except the Imperial cult has empowered the Emperor. He is now arguably stronger than any singular chaos demon.
Humanity's greatest strength is their faith.
@@seminoleboy96 and how many times has that "faith" caused the deaths of innocent believers?
@@Peter-h5n5h The Imperial Cult? Probably Billions... kind of just a fact of life in the 40th Millennium.
Pencil pushing bureaucrats with the Munistorum kill billions in the Imperium by moving 0s and 1s haha.
Without the Imperial Cult the Imperium would have fallen to the predations of Chaos long ago
The Emperor isn't an atheist... he is that rarest of things: a gnostic theist. He KNOWS the gods exist, he's just trying to kill them.
You mean misotheist?
those chaos gods are evil, of course he would be naturally against them. Powerful they are but they are not worthy of worship.
@francescocarlini7613 I suppose I do. I think it's important to note that he knows they exist. An atheist doesn't believe they exist. It's kind of impossible for the Emperor to be an atheist.
@@christopheraaron1255Big E doesn't see the Chaos entities as Gods. He sees them as powerful agragores who prey on living species from the materium. When the Emperor says "there are no Gods" what he's really saying is "there are only some monsters pretending to be gods."
@@soffrenwhich is basically like when Obi-Wan told Luke that what he said about his father was true "from a certain point of view"
As a Christian I really like how the power of faith is portrayed in Warhammer 40K I like how it's mysterious instead of explicitly being a warp based power. I also like how faith keeps the imperium going in a way faith is like humanity's superpower in Warhammer 40K keeping the morale high in the imperium while also having a tangible effect on the world though things like living saints.
And like Christianity, it suppresses any deviance, any difference, any other faith. The Imperial Inquisition is based on the Spanish and Papal Inquisition. The Hierarchy is that of the Roman Catholic and Eastern Orthodox churchs and the massive wealth and hypocriscy. The faithful are like the fundamentalists that drank the Kool-Aid with Jones and burn witches.
You and me both brother, its actually helped me connect with my Christianity on a deeper level than I have before. I'll always cherish 40k for that, no matter what direction the franchise goes
do i see another Christian warhammer enjoyer? hello brother
Brothers! As a Children’s Pastor I adore the child like faith of many of the imperial citizens. Gaunt’s Ghosts shows a very powerful version of faith, at one point Gaunt even doubts his belief and he works through that. I enjoy the journey’s we see of faith and how the writers portray faith. I feel as if there is a respect for religion even if they don’t believe.
And some people think Christians are anti fun, yet here we are, enjoying lore about a fantasy atheist and his radical worshipers in a video produced by a Hindu. 😁
Very well laid out comparison to Christianity
Two things, however. Firstly, you neglected the spiritual aspect of belief in the Emperor. Early Christians went to horrific deaths without hesitation because of their hope of eternal life. A Guardsmen would get a terrific moral boost if he believed the Emperor would protect his soul from the forces of hell in life, and, that upon death, the Emperor would receive his soul.
Secondly, rich Romans who converted to Christianity were almost exclusively women, attracted by that hope of eternal life, especially for lost children, and by Christians' revolutionary treatment of women.
How fucked is it that CHRISTIANS were an improvement on women’s rights when compared to time.
Congrats on the surge in viewers. It’s well deserved, you’re making great stuff.
As someone who is agnostic hearing the real events that this franchise draws inspiration from, especially one i have very little knowledge on, is super interesting. Great video!
This is why I love Fabius Bile, even when encountered by Slaanesh he rejected them as random warp stigmata, and thus had no power
Well they did stop his heart.
Slaanesh stopped his heart. Actual god of sex came down and fucked with him. Just to show how evil Fabius is.
they had every power over him, but they just let him live to continue his immoral experimentations
You say that like he wasn't literally shiting out his own guts every second he was around Slaanesh.
His meeting with Slaanesh can be best described as hiding under a blanket and hoping it goes away.
There is another layer of irony one could point out.
A lot of people complain that there are no human factions of note that oppose the Empire and are not aligned with Chaos either, and especially no sort of secular uprisings.
But a big part in that is directly linked to the dogmatic character of the Imperial Cult and especially the whole 'Follow orders unquestioningly' aspect.
No matter how justified, any form of protest can be branded as heresy by the authorities, and at that point, Chaos Cults can support the uprising and slowly push the people towards their eldritch horror of choice, as they have nothing to loose anymore. If they stop protesting and resisting, they'll just be killed, and without some outside party offering supplies or more direct support, the uprising will just be destroyed.
So a rebellion that reaches the point that it matters on the tabletop game scale, is just absorbed into the cult or cults that have hijacked the whole thing.
I think you could make an interesting video about the power of faith in Warhammer 40K like if the power of faith is different from psychic power in Warhammer 40K or not which personally I think the power of faith is different from psychic power in Warhammer 40K.
It's latent psychic power very similar to ork WAAAGH in my opinion
@@akimbanguehe3454I think that comparison Is accurate even if it's not psychic in nature the power of faith it's like a human equivalent of the WAGHH.
The first Cult of the Emperor would be someone like the old priest in "The Last Church" who started to believe in a god like being that later turned out to be the very Emperor burning down his last church on Terra.
Honestly, between you and luetin we are really blessed 🙏
And Arch!
Luetin is a master of saying sentences that lead into sentences that lead into sentences but never getting to the damn point. Of course people are gonna stretch their content and I respect the hustle but Luetin is on a completely different level.
And Arch is a crypto-fascist.
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@@felipeguzzonsenhorini1051 Fuck Arch
@@jessl1934 I've been called a crypto-fascist before. It was years and years ago, and I haven't seen it used since. Funnily enough it was also while discussing 40k. Must be a lingering strategy...
Basically, it's a sneaky way of calling someone a mean thing, while also *acknowledging* and simultaneously *dismissing* the fact you have no proof of the person actually being this mean thing you are trying to call them.
Otherwise, you would just call him a fascist.
Alpharius himself says 'The Emperor Protects' to Honen Mu in Legion.
Congratulations on the uptick in viewers. Your long form content is always great to watch.
When I first heard about the Age of Apostasy, I noticed the similarity to the 30 years war. I would love to see a video where you talk more about the Age of Apostasy.
To me it never made sense to the Emperor being a turbo-atheist, who wants to build a wholly secular empire, all the while running around displaying god-powers and the ability to create superhuman warriors sons.
One way it can be reconciled (I think) is to say that the Emperor was "in on the joke", deliberately straining the levels of contradictions for the sake of some 14 dimensional chess scheme he had.
Life of Brain at the start 🤣🤣🤣 Always love your videos, thanks for the awesome upload 💪
Just because the Emperor walked around with a godly aura, wore glorious golden armor, stood taller than Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and displayed god-like powers doesn't mean he was divine or wanted to be worshiped like a god, it is his right to look that way without being worshiped and we should respect his wishes.
I mean on one hand this joke does actually hold up logically, especially when taking into account the Emperor's plans for an Ascendant humanity. All those traits are not NECESSARILY exclusive to divinity, and are in fact things he wanted to have spread to the rest of humanity eventually.
But then reality catches up and the difference between standing your ground and making your impossible dreams a reality and bullheaded idiocy is ultimately success, and the Emperor definitely did not succeed in presenting himself as anything other than a god, if he even attempted to at all
You might think you can lift a mountain with your bare hands, and putting your all into trying every day can certainly be admirable, and while it would certainly be amazing if you did manage it, you only have yourself to blame for looking like an idiot when your back snaps in half one day
You don't really have a right to how others see you. You have no control over it. If anything others have a right to view others as they want to.
He could have gotten rid of the golden glow at least, I think that would have made it a lot more believable that he was just a warrior king rather than a god
@@lachlanevans5013 But then how would you know he was the Emperor?
@@oldeskul i think the golden armor, 14 feet size, massive flaming sword, a huge claw for a hand and has an army of 10,000 custodes to boot might be enough for people to make assumptions.
90% of Horus Heresy lore: [x] was the smartest, strongest being humanity had ever produced" (proceeds to do something incredibly stupid and short sighted)
This is why horus heresy is boring
Congrats man, been one of your earliest subscribers. I don't even play the game lol. I just enjoy good open honest conversations, stories and people. Keep it up
I really think that saying Emperor is Atheist is underselling it.
The way I see him is Antitheist. Even though he's undoubtedly God in all sense and purpose for a normal human he opposes the idea of worship instead of God's existence.
Faith gives room for using the teachings as personal gain and uprising. Goge Vandyre would be a prime example in the lore alone.
love the NUH-UH at 9:15, great vid! Glad you took the extra time on it, it turned out great!!!
34:00 "the imperial faith is what stoping the spread of chaos" ...
Necron players "i have some doubts about it"
Congrats on your rising numbers. You really deserve it!
If I want a quick Video without much depth, I watch Majorkill. But if I want to get philosophical about Warhammer, I watch you first.
I think you're spot on about the historical inspiration for the holy wars angle. I had assumed I had seen the parallels only because I had first started reading 40K novels while studying that period of history around the thirty years war.
I'm loving your content mate.
Your long videos are on point and although I don't normally dig shorts, your shorts are by far my favourite.
They are easy to digest and thought provoking.
Keep the good times coming my man.
Comparing the Age of Apostasy to the 30 Years War is actually brilliant. I can't believe no one else has ever brought that up. Excellent work!
I don’t think it has much relation beyond both wars were fought partially due to religious schism. The Holy Roman Empire mostly just weakened itself and Protestantism didn’t end being the dominant religion. Arguably Catholicism was strengthened in the empire after they stopped fighting to suppress Protestants along with Catholic France becoming the dominant European power in the aftermath. For the age of apostasy to be similar it would require the war to burn itself out and then morph into a war against the imperium’s enemies.
Fun fact, in the early middle ages (before the submission of Holy Roman Emperors to the papacy) popes were routinely kicked out of Rome by the Senate. To be fair that was also the time when powerful families took over old imperial landmarks and turned them into fortresses with the most influential one living in the Colosseum so they probably had a pretty easy time throwing out one old man.
11:50 this is a misunderstanding of the term mystery religion. A mystery religion is not simply one that meets in secret. The closest you get to Christian's being a mystery religion were the gnostic heresies. A mystery religion is one which claims you need some secret knowledge that only the inner circles have to be saved. Christianity is quite explicit with sharing the one piece of information they have namely the death and resurrection of Jesus everything else was publicly available in the Jewish scriptures. A mystery religion is more like the guy that says you need to take shrooms to open your mind to what's real.
To be saved in early Christianity the adept needed to be initiated into Paul's mystical doctrines in order to be transformed into an exalted celestial being when the imminent apocalypse came. It was a mystical doomsday cult with nebulous doctrines that Paul only ever writes about in convoluted, obscure language.
Paul's faith (and by extension his follower's) was based on mystical visions of Jesus, not scriptures.
I was wondering if there was someone who would say this. Glad to see. Mystery cults are a different thing compared to the early church. I believe St Iraenus of Lyon addresses this too.
@@Kc40k How is a mystical doomsday cult unlike a mystery cult?
Omg those drawing are cute and amazing. Also great video man!
Excellent video 👌
I'd love to hear you're thoughts about how you think Emps could have handled the cults. Tone down the god aesthetic, embrace it? Inform the primarchs a little more? I'd like to see what you think.
Congrats on your growth m8, you're awesome
I love how to convince the Word Bearers he’s not a god he forces their entire legion to kneel before him with his mind 😂
Great video! As a Christian and one that Studied church history I throughly enjoyed your take on all of this. I also didn’t know that there were pseudo denominations in the imperial cult like you mentioned.
Practically, the Imperial Cult have different ways to worship the Emperor depending on the planet - Agri-Worlds would worship him as a provider of plentiful harvests, in a Hive World, it would worship him as an exemplar of honest trade and rulership, an Imperial World would have akin to a "normal" church we have now, in a Primitive World, it would be something out of a shaman/Conan type god, and so on...
And don't even start on the Adeptus Mechanicus - they see the Emperor not as a god (they worship the Machine God, instead) but they see the Emperor as a "Jesus" (the Omnissiah).
A pet peeve, people lately use "figurehead" to refer to a leader, but it means someone in a prominent position without real power or influence, like the figurehead on a ship's prow.
I've felt the initial portrayal of the Tau was inspired by the popular image Islamic empire with the religion stripped out. Younger, more humane and open the scientific advancement, preferring long range attacks to the melee their armored imperial enemies use.
Yeah, the Muslims were really humane as they slaughtered and raped their way across several continents
@@N0TYALCLike the Atheists and the west.
No, they were proficient in melee. Though they became a gun powder empire they still prominently used melee.
@@elliotyourarobot Archery was one of the main differences with the west, like Palomedes the Saracen in the Arthurian legends, so it could be exaggerated.
@@N0TYALC you have the historical knowledge of a retarded 2nd grader who sometimes pisses his pants and throws it at other children in the class🇯🇲
6:25 A quote I love from Iysander & Koda, "...there's no lawyer on Earth who can protect him from the divine allegations" (The Sisters of Battle... 8:41).
This is an amazing analysis of the setting and real world inspiration! Sure big setpiece battles are cool but the sociopolitical means through which they came about are much more interesting imo
I agree with you 100% on your comparisons.
I always saw the Emperor as a parallel to the Holy Father, and Sanguinius as a parallel to Jesus.
Excellent work man.
Religion may as well be a core part of Human evolution, you can never get rid of it completely.
That's a really difficult sell. The truth is, it's really hard to test that in a world that has religion already.
@@christopheraaron1255 I’m not sure, seems religion pops up wherever humans go.
@christopheraaron1255 even the atheists have religion but don't know it
@@daveeol1987yeah they just don't wanna admit that
@@daveeol1987Atheism isn’t a religion.
Ooh, you did a whoopsie! Alicia Dominica was not a Sister of Battle, nor had the Adeptus Sororitas been founded when she ended Vadire's reign of terror.
1. There's novels were ecclesiarchy characters include Lorgar as a loyalist in the post-heresy setting - presumably because he is/became known as the writer of the LD.
2. While Thor does provide a parallel to the early protestant leaders (more Calvin and Zwingli than Luther) and the whole thing definitely does look like a big reformation reference, the absence of a significant shift in the economic order (early capitalism emerging from late feudalism) has always struck me as a missed opportunity for GW... Not that they can really do much given the settings requirements for a bizarre total war economy that is also mind bendingly decadent...
The badab war could be used as a way to develop a commentary on mercantilism, then again that's post 30k, right?
The shorts are great. Keep it up
This a wonderful lore video, I normally get this from leutin's work.
I love that you tied it to history and theology, 40k is why I read the Bible
Edit: and anything related to theology from any corner of the world.
Congratulations on your YT success.
Hello sir do you have a minute to talk about our lord and saviour the four armed Emperor? I like how genestealers try to infiltrate the Imperial Faith with their own sects, especially on fringe and mining worlds or anywhere people are opressed and not too well educated. Sometimes they target rich and civilized worlds but it's harder to infiltrate there.
I love your knowledge on theology and history, its awesome
Thank you for speaking of all of our religions respectfully 🙂
It makes a lot of sense that Warhammer 40K has Christian influences what how many other influences 40K has of course it would also be influenced by the most popular religion.
Emperor: * Intentionally descends from above in a shower of golden light to the rapturous chorus of psyhic cherubim as his ermine cape billows in the wind and his sword made of fire makes the brilliance of the mythical excalibre look like a flashlight by comparison.*
Ordinary not 14ft people: * prostrate themselves in worship of the golden God king *
Emperor: "Ew! -- Stop being cringe! It is so not based to worship god figures even though I specifically moulded my appearance to be as godlike as my posthuman magical psychic powers allow!"
The texts weren't the issue: Buddhism spread much further than Hindiuism but it doesn't have any canonized texts either, much less easily comprehended ones. There are a few well-recognized sutras, like the Vedas, the Upanishads or the Bhagavad Gita, but none are universally sought after for constant guidance in daily life the way the bible is. I will grant, however, that the most essentially teachings of Buddhism were codified by readily transmitted mnemonic devices: the four nobles truths, the eightfold path, etc.
Buddhist scriptures are often kept in a kind of rotating cabinet, and some Buddhist monks joke that you can gain as much wisdom as reading them by rotating said cabient a full 360 degrees. Zen in particular emphasizes as part of it's core "teaching" that realization is not transmitted by word, much less books.
The main reason Christianity spread so effectivly is that it was transmitted _across_ filial lines rather the purely _through_ them: Judaism and Hinduism could never have supported an empire on the scale of the Muslim Caliphates or the Holy Roman Empire because Judaism is the faith of a people bound by geneology: they are the sons of Israel, so the idea of somone not of that line being a Jew is counterintuitive.
The only way to make more Jews in ancient times was to literally breed them. But that takes nine months wereas a Christian can be made in the time it takes to submerse a person in water.
Hinduism similarly is geograhically locked to the Indian subcontinent. Many Hindu's have migrated from India, but the idea of proselytizing isn't a big part of classical Hinduism so it hasn't spread aross populations to nearly the same extent. This kind of widespread transmission in the innovation of later faiths.
Christianity is essentially Judaism stripped for export in the same way that Buddhism is Hinduism stripped for export.
Part of the meaning of such teachings as "The Kingdom of God is within you" is that a person comes to revelation of the divine not by their material attributes or success, but their inward spiritual character. Which means that all a person has to do to become a Christian, or simialrly a Buddhist, is to agree to follow the relevant customs. There is no debate among Christians about whether or not living in Turkey or Korea or Nevada makes you a real Christian, but Hindus debate if a real Hindu can live anywhere but India, or so I've heard. There are no demographic or geographic deliniations. Ironically the sentiment that the divine is to be found within is no doubt something of a banal sentiment from a Hindu point of view, but it was not obvious for the Jews because the divine was externalized within their collective psyche.
The 3rd centuary crisis wasn't a lucky break for Christianity because the funny thing about "the end of the world" is that it's predictable. Anytime a chrisis occurs at all, which is all the time, someone somwhere will say, "Repent! For the end is nigh!" There were many sects of Chrsitianity back in the day that died out because their beliefs didn't sustain them, so the one present at that time in Roman was already the most persistent strain. It was only a matter of time before they hit it big.
And speaking of persistence, as possibly the oldest of any extant religion, that is something Hinduism will necessarily never be beaten on for the rest of our natural lifetimes.
Yeah, I noticed this, too. Also, as a Zoroastrian, I thank you for mentioning us! Happiness be unto you!
Wow you may be the first I’ve run into in the wild.
@@Kc40k Yeah. I know. (And while we are on a 40k video, we are kind of like the Eldar, if you would think about it)
Zoroastrianism is a fascinating religion.
@@TheMilitantMazdakite
Are you learning or are you Iranian?
@@Qwerty-jy9mj I am actually American.
It is as most who see themselves as smart would join chaos as they would see it as the winning side. As you mentioned with that alien civilization.
4:40 nice reference to that Chinese dude who was high af and the Taiping rebellion
LOVE the fact you are getting MOAR clout.
Also I'm first therefore youre biggest fan XD
Hey man, been watching your channel a while and your videos have just been getting better.
Please dont give up the good thing you have going to become a journalist...
Journalist isn't the job you think it is. You will be forced to write about whatever you are dictated to, and you will present the view that aligns and strengthens their narrative, and the job itself is disappearing as massive news organisations are laying off en masse.
You create entertainment, and you're very good at it.
Journalists create propaganda, or else they dont last.
Replying to boost.
I know he has his hopes and dreams, but I'm in agreement about modern Journalism.
Most of the best journalists, did their (best) work alone. He could do it independently like most are now. The truth for them, the most memorable is that: "The highest honour in journalism, is to be assassinated by the CIA".
wait a sec....0:50
THE INHERITORS: we'll be seeing you in two to five business' days sir
Good point about the church in the 3rd c. They need to be doing that now.
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The most shocking part of this video is that you don't eat beef.
This is why I think the emperor picked when to show himself. He may had not want to come off as a god but he’s been around for around 40k years and knew well how people view people as divine. Imagine for the past couple thousand on earth plenty were seen that way. People needed a messiah and he just pops up. Could have when humanity was at its tech zenith but imagine humans had the tech to tell him to kick rocks and could match him. Instead he waited til humanity was beat down lost most of its tech and was barely surviving. Then like a miracle an 14ft angelic man with a flaming sword surrounded by 9ft tall superhumans and could conjur supernatural events with psychic power. Humans were craving a savior someone in a word divine, then being humble like a benevolent god says he isn’t one. Like a supermodel being told she’s beautiful and refuting it knowing good and well she’s a 10.
Big E is just the chaos god of Ego working to forever lock himself in real space in my own headcanon.
While I would disagree with you on some aspects, or details like the significance of the early church being on the Mediterranean, & part of the Roman Empire which was really influential when the apostle Paul who's ministry was to the gentiles despite being "an Hebrew of the Hebrews" was imprisoned, but as a Roman citizen he had a legal right to stand trial in Rome which is how he & the Gospel spread like wildfire in Rome, & then throughout the Empire (I love the book of Acts). This was really well done! I've notices a lot of Christian references especially in The End & the Death series which makes it clear that different aspects of Christianity as you stated are influences for the Imperium.
very good video, keep it up mate
7 months later and he's gone from 20k to a little over 60k lol I'm one of the people who discovered the channel through shorts ❤
The Emporor: I am not a god. I just created a pantheon of demi-god like beings, have powers that transcend the abilites of even the most powerful psychers, have a glowing halo of light around me at all times, and created and entire philosophy called 'The Imperial Truth' that is the one true way for humanity. But I am not a god.
Your one of the best! And we love you!
It has more to do with the Roman Imperial cult that believed in the divinity of the emperor and the imperial family.
Which spread as a wildfire from the time of Augustus rule
Monty Python bits ❤
To point out that no one was ever actually sacrifice to Lyons that was made up by the church hundreds of years later.
Fantastic video!
The emperor was just showing he was powerfull and his motive was more a royal one you can see it with the gold and the red cape.
It legit said 1 fri**in view when i got on XD
the age of Apostasy was around the early 36th Millennium, the hypothetical 11th founding would've happened a bit before it. "a bit".. 100s of years, in 40k same difference.
Very good video, I honestly think how Imperial Truth is one of the few things that is stopping the spread of Chaos into the galaxy.
But I do have critique for the Christianity history bits as you did not include the Eastern Orthodox Church and the original split of the Churches in 1054.
Not only was it important as the Pope itself was not the main figurehead but one of the Patriarchs of the Church of the time (he was Patriarch of Rome, others were from Carthage, Alexandria, Jerusalem, Antioch and Constantinople and they were all equal in power) but after the split in 1054 (which happened because Pope decided to go independent and have entire Church power for himself while Orthodox Church was combating the rise of Islam in the East) the Eastern Orthodox Church kept the original traditions and faith of the early Christianity while the Roman Catholic Church have gone their own way and have their own traditions now.
Other than that, the way Catholic Chruch alone worked and 30th Years War is exactly how Imperial Creed was portrayed in the 40k.
Not why the Great Schism happened, LMFAO. The Great Schism happened because the Orthodoxy didn't like that they added in the Filioque to the Nicene Creed. The Pope had ALWAYS maintained absolute power, infact, the understand of Papal power was far more strict in the Apostolic age than now. I suggest you actually read about the early Church, Pope St. Clement of Alexandria would like to have a word with you, along with St. Cyprian of Carthage & St. Irenaeus of Alexandria, among many many others. The Patriarch of Constantinople had ALWAYS deferred to the Pope as the leader of the faith. It is an objective fact that Orthodoxy went apostate from Catholicism.
@@jamsheedsneed6257 Spoken like a true Catholic.
In the east Pope was never seen as one with the absolute power, he was simply entrusted with the faithful in Italy with the residence in Rome. All Patriarch were equal, none were more powerful than the other.
But you did said one thing right - Catholics added Filioque to the Nicene Creed and thus diverge from the true teachings of the Church. And when Orthodox Church was at it's weakest Catholics went independent from the rest of Christianity and took everything in the west under themselves.
Should I also note how only assistance they ever sent were Crusaders which took Holy Lands for themselves only to lose them few centuries later and most famously how they sacked Constantinople in 1204 and thus put a nail in Christian presence in the east for the next 500 years. If not for eastern Slavs and Ethiopians the Orthodox Christians would have slowly disappeared under Ottoman rule.
I would suggest that you read a little more about overall Church history and not see Pope as the ultimate ruler of all Christians but simply a Patriarch who took the opportunity to grow his power. I would like to see what would Saints of the united Church think about medieval Popes who crown and control Kings, had affairs with both men and women, utilize political power to further their own gains. All the while their eastern brothers were suffering under Muslim rule.
@@2SSSR2Hey buddy, it's a sin to tell a lie! You speak like a truly uninformed Orthobro trying to spread laughably wrong drivel on the web where you stay.
“But since it would be too long to enumerate in such a volume as this the succession of all the churches, we shall confound all those who, in whatever manner, whether through self-satisfaction or vainglory, or through blindness and wicked opinion, assemble other than where it is proper, by pointing out here the successions of the bishops of the greatest and most ancient church known to all, founded and organized at Rome by the two most glorious apostles, Peter and Paul, that church which has the tradition and the faith which comes down to us after having been announced to men by the apostles. With that church, because of its superior origin, all the churches must agree, that is, all the faithful in the whole world, and it is in her that the faithful everywhere have maintained the apostolic tradition” (Against Heresies 3:3:2 [A.D. 189]).
"You therefore, who laid the foundation of this sedition, submit yourselves to the presbyters, and receive correction so as to repent, bending the knees of your hearts. Learn to be subject, laying aside the proud and arrogant self-confidence of your tongue. For it is better for you that you should occupy a humble but honourable place in the flock of Christ, than that, being highly exalted, you should be cast out from the hope of His people. (57)
If, however, any shall disobey the words spoken by Him through us, let them know that they will involve themselves in transgression and serious danger; . . . (59)
Joy and gladness will you afford us, if you become obedient to the words written by us and through the Holy Spirit root out the lawless wrath of your jealousy according to the intercession which we have made for peace and unity in this letter. (63)" Pope Saint Clement, First Epistle/Letter of Clement to the Ephesians
“The Lord says to Peter: ‘I say to you,’ he says, ‘that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my Church, and the gates of hell will not overcome it. . . . ’ [Matt. 16:18]. On him [Peter] he builds the Church, and to him he gives the command to feed the sheep [John 21:17], and although he assigns a like power to all the apostles, yet he founded a single chair [cathedra], and he established by his own authority a source and an intrinsic reason for that unity. . . . If someone [today] does not hold fast to this unity of Peter, can he imagine that he still holds the faith? If he [should] desert the chair of Peter upon whom the Church was built, can he still be confident that he is in the Church?” (The Unity of the Catholic Church 4; first edition [A.D. 251])." St. Cyprian of Carthage. I could go on and on and on. You reject Christ by rejecting the Pope, I hope you can repent and come to the truth.
Those original heretics are the catholics.
@2SSSR2 No, they were preserved under Ottoman rule. Under but part of along with the Jews, maybe even some who fled Europe.
the imperial cult is a large part of what is preventing chaos from winning, but it isnt really able to defeat it either, and on top of that is causing human civilization to slowy eat itself alive due to the suppression of science and learning, which we know due to the interex isnt automaticly a way of opening the door for chaos. Its a desperate struggle that can never really be won due to the chaos gods being tied to core parts of the human experience, making them more powerful than the emporer will ever be. It holds the line, but isnt really strong enough to push back and is killing humanity in the long term due to the loss of knowledge that they need to survive, though to be fair the machine cult also has a lot of blame for this.
Ayo lemme praise Big E for a minute
"If somebody is going to make this undertaking, the most monumental personal undertaking in the entirity of human history, for tens of thousonds of years, you're going to need a lot of faith in that person inherently."
And the only way to do it is to upstage Yahweh so badly your fasion sense makes him feel like a tramp? Paul Atriedes didn't need to look anything more than human (at least physically) to rule the known universe as God Emperor and he didn't fare any worse than big E over here.
It honestly makes him look like he's compensating for something or, more interestingly, that despite himself he in some way feels he actually has to live up to the legacy of Terran deities and perform the impossible: he impells his people to iconoclasm not because he doesn't respect religion but because, deep down, he aspires to it.
Tha tis the real reason I think the Emperor attempts to ape the gods, though he himself may not have admitted it: their myths weight heavily on him and even give him cause to doubt himself.
"The fear of God is the beginning of wisdom."
When colab with Fiaura?
1:14 It was the Will of the God Emperor and the blessings he bestowed, that appeased the almighty algorithm its machine spirit.
The outcome of the Faith is the creation of a Human God in the Warp.
Fun video!
Also, a lot of roman soldiers were Christians, too
Aye, and many, like Sts. George and Demetrios, are remembered today as saints.
One thing I can never figure out does the imperial cult have any moral prescriptions? I keep seeing it called space Catholicism but the Jurgen is devout but also a porn addict. Also I dont get why atheist 30k has people constantly talking about the emperor blessed by all, or referencing holy terra
Probably the virtues of hard labor, honesty and sacrifice but skimps out on the patience and curiosity because that privilege lies in outside the "common man" with vague rewards akin to heaven for those who pass on see the line "Only in Death does (your) Duty end."
Attack and dethrone God{s}
Where is the reference that the emperor is 14 foot tall?? Ive read almost all the lore and never read it.
He always presents as normal height but glowing like a god, hard to look at, which is correct.
"Ah! This guy will be a good journalist -- he makes TikToks."
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I cannot express my confusion.
Trust me, it's advice we've gotten from the people who work there lol
Well the birth and split of "christiandom" is a subject so long and complex that can be looked upon in a myriad of ways.
Like your stuff man but piece of advice. Do not go into journalism. Find something else. It’s a bad, dying field. You will have a real shit time getting a career going. It’s been that way for more than a decade as ad revenue has been drying up. I did journalism in college and wanted to do it when I graduated, and I gave it a solid shot. I loved the idea that I could root out corruption and all the stupid shit going on in the world and thought that’d be enough, and found it incredibly compelling. However, even the top guys at my student newspaper, which had more than 20k printing ever day, were getting shit jobs that paid next to nothing. I went into finance and do something that’s comparable to journalism now, but I actually make good money. Find a niche that you can do well in and which isn’t in that field. Good luck.
Journalism, especially in mainstream media is the farthest thing from rooting out corruption. Many are just paid to read out whatever is laid in front of them no mater it doesn't make a shred of sense and push political agendas. It doesn't matter if you are good or have good intentions. Politicians want monkeys with microphones not real journalism. And even if you stay remotely independent there is a viewers critical mass after which the men in black come with a trade offer- become the next Alex Jones or dissapear. They like fringe 'oposition' conspiracy theorists and actually sponsor them and provide the scripts. They spread misinformation.
Yeah early Christianity was well people get offended when you tell about it.
It's kind of ironic as it was the Big E that destoryed the last Christian church on earth 🤔
I don't think it was a christian church, there was no cross and the details of the faith are wrong
@@raphaelalexandreyensen6291 its left a bit vage on perpous, but there are hints, like how the Big E talks about all the bad things his own faith had done in the past. Acts compited by the Catholic church.
Also the church is hinted to be a very famous Christian church in the north England.
We who created our own Gods
Anthropologist here, religion pre-dates HUMANITY. Our sister taxa of Neaderthal had organized religion TENS OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE US!! The Neanderthal Cult of the Cave Bear
Where’s your source?
Bro is rambeling
Actually athiesm predates humanity, way before people started praying on gullible idiot’s and manipulating them i to joining their cults. Religious people truly are a blight on humanities progression, just a bunch if mentally lazy idiot’s manipulated by their cult leaders. Don’t forget everyone is born an athiest until they’re indoctrinated by a cult.
13:10 huh? What? Why?
So Mega Mind was right it is about presentation.
Well of course it's all similar. Games Workshop doesn't have original ideas.
What philosophy/branch of Hinduism do you follow, if you don’t mind my asking? Shiva’s abode on this earth is Mt. Kailash in the Himalayas, so maybe you guys secretly beat the rest us to Big E by over 30,000 years.
Also please don't hate me.
As a Christian ho Is a student of history and theology in my opinion Warhammer 40k compare to other pop culture universes has a different take on chrianity because Warhammer 40k Takes place in Our timeline just 27000 in to the future up to Horus Hersey in 30k and i think in my opinion that Imperial Cult Is the new form of Chrianity let me explain during the war to unite the old earth BIG E band and destroy all religions of earth and in the short story ,,the Last church " he burned down the Last church its not Said wich church but Is probabliy a Christian church.After that as the time goes on Imperial Cult gets bigger and bigger and more popular and then Horus Hersey happens and we have the first Saints and a Word bearer Anchorite (Dreadnought) ho surrendered to the Ultramarines after the battle of Calth wihle in his cell trough parying Send Chaos abominations back to the warp.And after Horus Hersey Imperial Cult made Imperuim of mankind a theocracy with the Ecclesiarchy and trough teachings of the Lectitio Divinitatus the ,,new bible" and God Emperor in my opinion went form being a super general uniting old Earth and becoming the messiah during the Sige of Terra and now on the Golden throne as martyr ho now in 41st millenum have divine intervention using Saints and Legion od the legion of the damned.Plus the church schism and diffrent teachings like you Said in the video in the Galaxy where mankind fights forces of darkness and alines with new form of Chrianity.
Sorry for the Long texet
It was the Church of the Lighting Stone, I think, dedicated to a miracle of either blinding or curing thr blindness of the man who built it and became the priest.
So the rich are just hipsters, shocking no one
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