Best Cruising Sailboat ? Hallberg Rassy 352

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  • Опубликовано: 20 дек 2024

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  • @sailingAGH
    @sailingAGH  2 года назад +1

    Which is in your view the perfect boat for cruising?

    • @notwhatiwasraised2b
      @notwhatiwasraised2b 2 года назад +3

      Island Packett

    • @williamhoskins2300
      @williamhoskins2300 2 года назад +2

      the boat with your wife aboard, WOW, funny energetic knowledgeable ,and a magical

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  2 года назад

      @@notwhatiwasraised2b Sounds like a good choice :) Luckily there are so many great cruising boats out there :)

    • @corvavw6447
      @corvavw6447 Год назад +2

      Island packet, Rustler,..............hr ........koopmans.🎉

    • @yzScott
      @yzScott 7 месяцев назад

      We just bought a Swan 59. I think she'll work out well.

  • @edwinfennema1886
    @edwinfennema1886 9 месяцев назад +2

    I totally agree with your choise for the 352. I have a 352 myself. Perfect ship. And also a very nice owners association in The Netherlands and UK.

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  9 месяцев назад

      Thanks for your comment! They are great boats indeed 😊 where are you located? We plan to sail north this season so perhaps going to pass both the UK and Netherlands 😁

    • @edwinfennema1886
      @edwinfennema1886 9 месяцев назад

      @@sailingAGH I am located at Almere (markermeer). I am sailing to the uk this summer with our Hallberg Rassy Connection

  • @TheFoetsie
    @TheFoetsie 2 года назад +5

    This 352 is one of my favourites. We owned a Scanmar 35 for 10 years. Very similar, almost identical apart from a fin keel. Also built in Sweden on the same island where the HR originate. We sailed Europe for several years and lived on board. I made two solo atlantic crossings and with my wife we sailed the Caribian and the I C W up to Kingston NY. I absolutely confirm that this HR352 is ideal for cruising with two persons. I wish I was still 10 years younger. Enjoy it, s the best time of your life.

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  2 года назад

      Hi Geen, Thanks for the comment :) The Scanmar 35 sounds amazing, so does the adventures you had with Her ;) Guess every strong boat of similar size can do pretty amazing stuff :)
      Fair Winds :)

  • @jimrosselle6398
    @jimrosselle6398 2 года назад +2

    Have been watching sailboat videos for year's, yours is the first that I have subscribed to. Will be watching. 45 years ago I lived aboard a 35 Morgan. What great memories.

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  2 года назад

      Thank you so much for the lovely comment 😊 then it's a great honor to have you subscribed to our channel!
      Haven't been on a Morgan but heard they are very similar, so must be great boat 😉

    • @sailinghaldis
      @sailinghaldis Год назад

      Agree. I love the Hallberg Rassy. We have one on order.

  • @peterbrown8325
    @peterbrown8325 Год назад +3

    I had a 352 for 19 years! One of my favourite boats ever. It just feels so confident and reassuring at sea. And cosy in the cabin when moored. I only sold it because the teak deck was reaching the end of its life and I couldn't face spending silly money to replace it. As for reversing it, I didn't have a problem once I realised you just have to give it some throttle - get it moving through the water and it steers OK in reverse.

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  Год назад

      Hi Peter! Yes definitely a great boat, 19 years is a long time! Totally agree with the teak deck, we have spent quite a few hours maintaining it and it doesn't get better :(. One day it might have to go, deck re-enforced with a layer of fiberglass and with some kiwi grip should do the trick! We have found that the only way to reverse is indeed by picking up speed and ideally shifting to neutral...part of that is that we have quite a big propeller, creating a big prop walk...

    • @karelcuchal9813
      @karelcuchal9813 Месяц назад

      Thanks for sharing info.

  • @corvavw6447
    @corvavw6447 Год назад +2

    Goed schip,al lang uit de productie dus revit maar dan heb je een perfect schip om te cruisen.veel plezier .

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  Год назад

      Indeed, needs some TLC but then she will pay you back ;)

  • @troubleMakesThree
    @troubleMakesThree Год назад +2

    We have a Hallberg-Rassy 352 #305, and we love her, despite not being able to steer while backing up. She always turns while in reverse, but we never know which way it will be.

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  Год назад +1

      She is a great boat, but indeed reversing isn't her strong card, although we have found that enough momentum and out of gear she does steer a little ...if lucky and rather calm ...

  • @randywelsh4163
    @randywelsh4163 2 года назад +3

    Perfect for you guys! Thank you.

  • @piermarcobilli9480
    @piermarcobilli9480 4 месяца назад +1

    Hi, great boat, I own one, the Scandinavian from 1987; reverse is impossible. For the rest is a fantastic boat, very well insulated in all climates, sturdy contruction, very safe, good value through the years

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  4 месяца назад

      @@piermarcobilli9480 totally agree, you habe a close sister then to our 86. We also have the Scandinavian version, must say we didn't find any insulation, yes the hull is thick but no insulation, we added about 20m2 of armaflex wherever possible to stop condensation, which really helped in winter. Where are you located?

    • @piermarcobilli9480
      @piermarcobilli9480 4 месяца назад +1

      I’m in Italy, Tirreno sea, so not a tough test for winter but no condensation ever, wich I had on the previous boat (Oceanis)

  • @abdullahetoz
    @abdullahetoz 2 года назад +1

    Good choice. I own a similar one(Hunter 33.6). Luxury and extra room for nothing are commonly desired for new sailors but reality is further more. Thank you for sharing your optimal perfection.

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  2 года назад

      Thanks for the comment 😊 couldn't agree more, new designs seems to be mostly addressing weekend sailors with limited time 😁 anyway each one has their own needs and priorities 😉

  • @richardcranium8408
    @richardcranium8408 7 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you for doing a walkthrough! I put a bid in on a 352 and need to show my wife what I’ve done.

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  7 месяцев назад +1

      Congratulations! Sincerely hope you get it, it's an awesome boat and your wife will love it, in fact everyone does - or nearly everyone ;)

    • @richardcranium8408
      @richardcranium8408 7 месяцев назад

      Are you still satisfied with your choice of boat?

  • @iomagicofly
    @iomagicofly 10 месяцев назад +1

    Great video Thank you for sharing your adventures. I’m deeply looking at an HR352 from 1984 and her seems quite well maintained. Do you think is her too old?

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  10 месяцев назад +2

      Hi Angelo, happy you enjoyed the video. As mentioned She is a great boat, practical, seaworthy and well build, but like with all boats there can be issues- perhaps a few less on Hallberg Rassys. An HR352 from 84 is definitely not too old- most boats from this period wouldn't be too old, yet the age should be reflected in the price. If She is well maintained you should be good. A few things to consider is the condition and age of teak deck, rudder bearings, windows and hatches, motor, standing rigging and seacocks. Something that can also be tricky on older boats are the electric systems, we had no issues so far but replacement renewal can be quite time and money consuming. Have fun boat shopping and if you have specific questions you drop us an email :)

    • @iomagicofly
      @iomagicofly 10 месяцев назад +1

      @@sailingAGH thank you so much for your answer. Yes will definitely take a deep look on what you mentioned and totally agree with you on age. To be honest I started looking at an HR36 but in the meantime fractured my left ankle and had to pay for surgery etc…so my budged was compressed

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  10 месяцев назад +1

      @@iomagicofly oh sorry to hear that, hope you have a fast recovery! The 36 and also the 34 are great alternative, offer or should offer a bit more performance with their fin keels

  • @Tetsaraku
    @Tetsaraku 2 года назад +2

    Liking the dry humor. The boat also not bad. Subbed.

  • @harbourdogNL
    @harbourdogNL 2 года назад +3

    That little dog is a darling! And what's not to like about an HR?! (even though I've only ever sailed aboard one, also a 35, a Rasmus built 1979.)

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  2 года назад +1

      Thank you for your comment 😁 he is indeed! Yes HRs are pretty damn good, the Rasmus is also a very beautiful boat, perhaps a bit more old school on the design, while the HR 352 kinda of combines the classic older design with newer touches :)

  • @yachtlaina1304
    @yachtlaina1304 2 года назад +3

    Great walk through. We love our 352. Reversing is always an adventure into the unknown. They do not belong in a marina but are best on anchor or bouy. Definitely a 2+2 but very cosy and safe even in 40 knots on the nose. Will subscribe and follow.

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  2 года назад

      Thanks guys for hoping along 🙂 well said it's an adventure boat, nothing for harbours! Yes we had a couple strong nights at anchor and never a problem!
      See you out there 😁
      Greetings!

  • @arche-de-noe-sailing
    @arche-de-noe-sailing 8 месяцев назад +1

    We have been living on a 1989 HR 45 for 3 years now, and we are incredibly happy we put in the effort to restore our ship. It has been a very challenging time, but not only a very good investment. Enjoy your journey.

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  8 месяцев назад

      They are lovely boats indeed 😁

  • @Happ465
    @Happ465 Год назад +2

    If you center the rudder put the boost in reverse. The stern will “walk” to one side. When reversing the boat put the rudder hard over the other way. Reverse slowly and straighten the rudder out as you gain speed. It’s easy with a little practice. Overall I think you have a beautiful boat.

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  Год назад

      Thanks Howard,
      Yes indeed this mostly works, we still need practice, but doubt it will ever work all to well with the wrong cross winds. Often we find a hard correction forward is needed to set the direction !

    • @Happ465
      @Happ465 Год назад +1

      @@sailingAGH Once you get use to it you will learn ho to use it to your advantage. If it is really a problem (shouldn’t be) you can change the prop out to feathering prop. The blades will reverse themselves when in reverse. The other advantage is less drag when sailing. Perhaps 1/4 knot. If you are only doing short sails it of no value. If you are doing many days out at a time it can add up. a 1/4 knot equals 6 knts a day. One week at sea equals 42 knots more distance. In other words if you average 6 knots you shorten that trip by 7 hours.

  • @ChrisGamble
    @ChrisGamble Год назад +1

    Awesome boat & coolly presented

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  Год назад +1

      Thank you very much 😊🙏

  • @markwoods4574
    @markwoods4574 2 года назад +1

    Looks an amazing sailboat personality I have a 2016 Beneteau 46.1 that’s also built for cruising but also for racing as well.

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  2 года назад

      Very nice boat too, a bit newer and modern 😉 must sail quite fast especially in lighter winds !

  • @CHRIS198490
    @CHRIS198490 Год назад +2

    hi fantastic boat maybe one day I will buy one, is this boat is good for sailing around the world and living on it ? what can be better being on Bahamas anchored in lagoon , I am in cold London UK trying to save for one boat good luck

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  Год назад +2

      Hi Chris, thanks for your comment! Saving up is definitely a goof start! Yes, the HR352 is definitely a boat that is designed to take you around the world, so are all HR, ofcourse you will have to do your part and upgrade a few things and do proper maintenance ! They sail well and are incredible seaworthy, we find the space sufficient to live and cruise on! For many people it might be on the smaller end, but unless you have a ton of money it a very good size, anything bigger and the cost goes up exponentially! Good luck 🤞

  • @demetrisdemetrious8702
    @demetrisdemetrious8702 2 года назад +3

    lovely boat i like the way you love your boat,,,,i am looking at 382 very similar set up, a 352 would sort me to, but a38 came up so i think i will go for it, how does it sail uowind? as a lot of people say its not good upwind boat
    enjoyed post, thank you

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  2 года назад +1

      Hey Demetris, thanks for your comment 😁 indeed we love her very much, she has been good and deserves it 😊
      She is definitely not an upwind start but neither very bad at it, most times we do fairly well compared to other boats unless to semi performance boats with laminate sails. Perhaps a new Genoa would help, but still really beating hard is probably not one of the strongest points 🙃 the 38 would also be a lovely option, a bit overall more space and comfort, perhaps speed too ! Good luck with it 🤞

  • @syposeidon8006
    @syposeidon8006 2 года назад +1

    You are so right, having a 42e ketch same problem, forward wonderful, backwards a nightmare. Massive propwalk, steering nearly impossible and when it starts turn it's nearly unstoppable. Would also appreciate any hints.
    And thank you so much for your entertaining videos. I am a big fan.

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  2 года назад +1

      Thanks for your comment, its reassuring that others have the same problem :) for us its certainly also a luck of practice, but although there are some tricks to get her to obey, I believe that in certain conditions we would never be able to nail a reverse med mooring in a busy spot, better anchor elsewhere :)

    • @syposeidon8006
      @syposeidon8006 2 года назад

      @@sailingAGH we now started to moore her with bow first, much easier, if mooring lines are available

    • @baggah80
      @baggah80 2 года назад +2

      @@sailingAGH Got a HR 382, and while reversing is trouble, with a short boost and then go the idle, you can steer without propwalk. But it stays difficult. And if your nose goes away, you have to go forward to point the nose in the right direction.

  • @svfurthermore9099
    @svfurthermore9099 2 года назад +1

    my hr 39 doesn't go wonderfully in reverse but if you keep it fairly slow and use the bow thrusters to steer, you will have some chance of getting where you need to go.

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  2 года назад +2

      Hi, thanks for your comment :) There seems to be plenty of ways, none is really perfect, but yes before we decommissioned our bow thruster your way was working quite well ! Now we try gaining quite some momentum in reverse, then going into neutral, then she actually listens quite well to the rudder, that is if the conditions are light ;)
      Fair Winds

  • @GMaX-Eire-forever
    @GMaX-Eire-forever Год назад +1

    You two are fabulous . I have subscribed .

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  Год назад

      Thank you very much 👍 glad to have you on board ☺️

  • @neovo903
    @neovo903 Год назад +1

    I saw one for about £32k, it looked really good except the teak decking needed replacing

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  Год назад +1

      That sounds like quite a good deal! The teak deck is a big project, either it's really bad and needs removing/replacing or it still has some sufficient thickness to it, in which case you can re-caulk it and replace screw plugs. If it doesn't have sufficient thickness you can remove it entirely and either apply anti skit surface or replace deck with teak, cork, or other alternatives all options do look quite good! Do you know how thick the teak still is ? We would be happy to help further if you'd like, just drop us an email!

  • @svenhinrichsen458
    @svenhinrichsen458 Год назад +1

    I had a HR38 and I have to say, that it is really hard to go backwards with it. It taks miles to react on the rudder by going backwards.

    • @deerfootnz
      @deerfootnz 3 месяца назад

      Exactly. They don't handle very well under power. They don't perform very well under sail. They are too heavy. I hate teak decks - leaky, heavy and too hot in the sun. HR's are ok for a 1970's boat... But it's 2024

  • @gertjanvandijk4870
    @gertjanvandijk4870 Год назад +1

    How do you arange the number one and two for the dog??? Thx in advance. Gertjan

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  Год назад

      Hi Gertjan, we had to train him, but it was easy as we had it since he was 8 weeks and he only really lived on the boat. Still it took some encouragement and lots of treats, now every time he does his business on deck he demands a treat. So we often don't have the most well smelling boat but a relieved doggo!
      Ps we tried plastic grass, actually grass but it didn't help much, the first few times hard and they will try to hold it ...but they will go, they also quickly unlearn, so once learned it's good to keep it up 😁

  • @costazurra
    @costazurra Год назад +1

    This is my dream. Boat

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  Год назад

      Thanks for your comment! It's a great boat, there are always a few up for sale ;)

  • @Svboru1
    @Svboru1 2 года назад +1

    Thank you for the fun video. I also have a HR352 and love it. I can’t comment on it as a cruiser because we’ve only been on short trips so far.
    I wondered if you made the seats on the stern pulpit? Mine does not have them but I would love to know how they are attached so I can build them.
    Good luck with the rest of your adventures. I’ll be watching along.

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  2 года назад

      Thanks for your comment 😁
      Yes she is great for short and long 😁 and even for live aboard 👍
      I think the seats are original but not sure, if you drop us an email on our website or email we can sent you some pictures of it !
      Fair winds and see you out there 😊

    • @axelv1753
      @axelv1753 2 года назад +1

      I made such seats, bolted them through the pulpit.

  • @YASCSailingEsperanza
    @YASCSailingEsperanza 2 года назад +2

    Nice video guys!

  • @MarkCartret
    @MarkCartret Год назад +2

    Give it full throttle until the rudder becomes alive and back off on it-to get the momentum for reverse.

  • @DaleNewnham
    @DaleNewnham 2 года назад +2

    Enjoyed the tour! Do you use your diesel heater to heat water often? Do you have it connected to the towel rail and the engine so you can warm it before starting? Do you have other radiators to heat the boat? I also wondered if you had considered an air based heater rather than water? So many questions!

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  2 года назад +1

      Hi Dale, Thanks for your comment :) Initially we had an webasto diesel hot air blower (5kw), perhaps it was even the original, it worked perfect for 1 and a half winters, then it started acting up and we decided to go for a webasto Thermo C water heater, as they are supposed to run quiet and better for continuous use, something necessary for the Danish winters. In the initial setup, we had 2 small radiator + towel drier, all connected to the engine fresh water cooling/ boiler. It was pretty great, plenty of warm water, for dishes and shower, an always warm engine and a warm boat & on longer engine run the cooling system of the engine would actually warm the radiators if needed :). Unfortunately the limited space called for small radiators which do not have a big enough heat output, so heater idles a lot which makes it loud and the boat takes a while to get warm :( So in hindsight I would have gone for a new airheater, also dries the air better and warms up faster :) - no hot water though ;)
      Anyway since last year we disconnected the system from the engine, as the all the pipes were too much in the way in the tiny engine bay.
      If you are a liveaboard and can fit big and enough radiators and don't mind the extra pipes & weight its definitely worth considering and very efficient, otherwise a nice airheater is just unbeatable :)
      Hope that helps :)

    • @DaleNewnham
      @DaleNewnham 2 года назад

      @@sailingAGH thanks so much for the detailed reply! Our boat will have an air heater but I really wanted a water based unit to provide hot water and warm towels and laundry! Perhaps the air heater is best after all, so thanks again for sharing your experience!

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  2 года назад

      @@DaleNewnham you are very welcome 😁 webasto also sells a 2 in one option that does it both, but it's also nearly double the price but quite convenient 🙂

  • @OoiBeng-o5z
    @OoiBeng-o5z 4 месяца назад +1

    Superb video...

  • @mariuszkijowski2180
    @mariuszkijowski2180 2 года назад +2

    Great video, thank you!
    Question - do you know some families with kids living on that or similar 35 foot sailboat? If yes - what do you/they think about that (2 adults + 2 kids)?
    All the best!

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  2 года назад +1

      Hi Mariusz, thanks for the comment 😁
      We follow a family that sailed on their hr352 from Sweden to the Caribbean and back, including their 2 kids, so it's definitely possible 😉. Perhaps for very long periods it's a bit small, but for a few weeks definitely perfect 😁
      They have a website and insta sailingladyann.se/ so perhaps you can chat with them !

  • @violita8807
    @violita8807 2 года назад +1

    Nice video guys

  • @charlescadwallader6106
    @charlescadwallader6106 2 года назад +2

    What capacity is the fridge? What powers it? Inside and outside shower facilities? How do you get in and off the boat? On the water/ in the marina? Can you reef/furl from the cockpit? Height of the cabin? What sort of autopilot do you have? Would you recommend it? What sail configuration do you have? How does that fare - in gentle winds? In strong weather? I have so many questions. By the way, the name of the dog, I don’t know how you spell it, but it sounds like ‘Kai’ which is Māori (indigenous New Zealanders) for ‘food’… be careful with that one!

    • @charlescadwallader6106
      @charlescadwallader6106 2 года назад

      I have hit the ‘don’t like’ button on your video by accident and am having difficulty trying to change it.. 😳

    • @charlescadwallader6106
      @charlescadwallader6106 2 года назад

      Ah! Done it! Sorry…. 😊

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  2 года назад +4

      Hi Charles, thanks for the comment!
      So the fridge should be roughly over 100l in Volume, including the mini freezer, it's operated by an external 12v cooling compressor, all run by our 300amps AGM batteries and entirely supported by our 190 watts of solar. Shower wise, we can shower in the toilet hot (by engine ). We have no outside shower, we just rinse with a bottle after a swim 😅. If on anchor we use our SUPs to get to shore, so far never a problem, in port, we have a bow latter or we just jump 🦘 we had also a plank but never really used it! We can not reef from the cockpit and like it so far as it keeps it clean and simple to to from the mast, never felt unsafe either, but its possible to bring the reefing to the cockpit! Height of cabin is around 188cm in our model, a bit lower in the previous versions. We installed an raymarine ev 200 linear drive, we got it at an awesome price and it is the best investment, it consumes very little ⚡ and never failed us. We have a full battened main, a smaller Genoa and a bigger Genoa some storm sails and a Spinnaker. She performs surprisingly well in gentle winds despite the heavy displacement and even better in heavier weather always feeling safe with a small weather helm! Yes it's Kai and he always wants food, btw Kai also means ocean in Hawaiian and pier in Danish😁 perhaps will avoid New Zealand!
      Fair winds

    • @charlescadwallader6106
      @charlescadwallader6106 2 года назад

      @@sailingAGH thanks for that! I have just bought a 352 so it is good to swap stories and ideas. I had a Panda 40 before so I am looking forward, with a little trepidation, to the reduced size..! Thanks again and happy sailing.

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  2 года назад

      Awesome, congratulations! Hope you enjoy her !

  • @goofy4birds
    @goofy4birds 2 года назад +2

    What if he got hurt underway and out on passage and something vital needs repaired. So girls need to know how to use tool’s too. I have my own wood shop, sailboat, tractor 🚜 etc. I live a no man needed lifestyle. Built my own barn. I feel the old ways he or she jobs are history.

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  2 года назад +1

      I completely agree with you, and although I'm far from an expert I am perfectly able to use tools :). But I think you misunderstood my comment in the video. It was in relation to Leo's organisation skills (or rather lack thereof), so when I say in the video that I don't touch the tools, it's meaning that I don't interfere with how he stores them, not that I won't pick up a tool in general. Hope it's clearer now - and best of luck with your many projects :)

    • @frankjames7272
      @frankjames7272 Год назад

      how about family? you raise your kids on your own too?

  • @warrenclark3475
    @warrenclark3475 2 года назад +1

    Great boat if you are 5ft tall otherwise it gets a bit tight at times especially down the back

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  2 года назад +2

      Yeah, we had our concerns, especially Leo who is slightly over 6feet, however the later models of the 352 have more headroom, both in the galley and in the walkthrough. Overall it works fine and the boat still has very nice lines and a very stylish deck.

    • @warrenclark3475
      @warrenclark3475 2 года назад +1

      Agreed and very good sailers too

  • @axelv1753
    @axelv1753 2 года назад +1

    In reverse you steer it with the bow thruster.

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  2 года назад

      Unfortunately our bow thruster retired easy ;)

  • @aleksandrpranjuk9410
    @aleksandrpranjuk9410 2 года назад +2

    Не хватает нще один метр длинны а в остальном все замечательно.

  • @corradodeluca1320
    @corradodeluca1320 4 месяца назад

    They are expensive .

  • @theowenssailingdiary5239
    @theowenssailingdiary5239 Год назад +1

    Hint of an Australian accent there? Love that HR

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  Год назад

      Hahaha that's interesting 🤔 who of us ? Btw no Australian heritage on neither of us 😊 perhaps influence of Australian friends ?

  • @corradodeluca1320
    @corradodeluca1320 4 месяца назад +1

    They are expensive .

    • @sailingAGH
      @sailingAGH  4 месяца назад +1

      @@corradodeluca1320 they are indeed but very good value for money, very few issues and always wanted so also a good resell value

    • @corradodeluca1320
      @corradodeluca1320 4 месяца назад +1

      @@sailingAGH I agree.