Which PVC cement is better? Oatey or Christy's?
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- Опубликовано: 15 май 2020
- Testing Oatey Regular Clear PVC cement, Oatey Hot Medium Blue Lava, & Christy's Red Hot Blue Glue PVC cement for solvent weld bond strength on schedule 40 PVC pipe using a hydraulic hand pump to create very high levels of pressure after curing 24hrs. Enjoy!
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Very helpful and informative! Thank you very much for all the time and effort you put into the videos!
Thank you! Glad you enjoyed the video!
I have a hunch that this have some project farm in mind...
And voila..surprised to see pf watched this also 👍
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High praise from the GOAT!
Straight to the point. Note that the cements were allowed 24 hours to fully cured and all three showed good strength. Great video.
Very good approach. Appreciate you pointing out that it is not possible to compare glues when the pipe is the weakest point.
Hey, I am starting to like your work. I can't stop watching!
Awesome, Thank you! I have many videos that should keep you busy for a long time. :-)
Because of videos like this i know a little bit about the most random of things!
Great intro. I was weirdly excited once you started working haha 😅🙊
Awesome! Thank you!
Great video, very clear and thoughtful.
Good job, GREAT presentation. I too experienced a bit of explosion anticipation. Thanks
Glad you liked it! Be sure to share the video link with others, a lot of time goes into making these videos. Thanks for watching Preston!
I really liked your methodology, great video!
Good video . . . having to watch the first PVC pipe as you were pumping the hydraulic pump it scared the hell out of me because I was not expecting it to happen like that ( lol )
Glad you enjoyed the video Pete! Stay safe and remember to share the video link with others. Thanks
thank you very much for the engineering test!!
You're welcome! Be sure to watch my other video below, and share my channel with others. Thanks
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Excellent job ❤.
Interesting test results! I really thought that the glued connections would blow out first. Well done & keep up the great work.............. 👍👍😉😉
I thought so too, especially after seeing the results from my previous video, but this video demonstrated that all SCH40 PVC pipes of the same size, aren't created equal. Some blow at 1100, and others at 1550. Thanks for watching! Remember to share if you want to see more of these videos.
It is difficult to say what it means but it is interesting to note that in the first test all three had fitting failures and in this test all three incurred pipe failures. Hmmm . . . In any event your testing is well done and deserves applause.
Yes, it showed me that all SCH40 PVC pipes aren't created equal. In the other video, the pipe was able to tolerate 1600psi, which put enough pressure on the fittings to blow them off, and in this video the pipe barely hit 1200psi before it ruptured. Thanks for watching!
Very interesting. Thanks for doing this test.
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ALWAYS PEFECT TESTING
If you read the instructions for the Christy's, you need to go back and repaint the first fitting you did before fitting.
Thats probably why you had the leak, which they also mention is the primary reason they instruct you to go back and repaint the first part. Agree with another poster, cut the length down to 6", and try using the Christy's With and WithOut the primer.
After all, thats supposedly the benefit of the Christy's.
Wow that was really interesting!
Glad you enjoyed it! Be sure to share the video link. Thanks
Sir, you are very detailed in your videos
Thanks Tom, glad you enjoy them. Sadly this video appears to be another waste of my time due to YT not notifying my many subscribers of the upload, YT hiding my videos way down the search results, and a lack of sharing by viewers. I'll be making big changes soon if things don't turn around. I will not continue to spend many hours making/editing videos and helping others, unless the videos get reasonably high view counts. Channels uploading far inferior content are getting tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of views. For this subject, and the quality of the video, it should get at least a couple hundred thousand views. Very frustrating.
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Yes I was wondering what was going on..I Do forward alot of your videos to my friends hopefully that helps you..keep up the good work!
Something isn't right. To have as many subs as I have, along with quality content, and only get 300 watching the first hour.........definitely not right.
@@electronicsNmore your last two videos on the PVC pipe burst strength did come up in my notifications...because it stuck in my mind due to I was talking to my friend on using pvc for your mainline to your house...vs copper...to me PVC such a better choice...he saw video..changed his mind..lol
Good to know you got it Tom.
Interesting that this time the PVC pipes failed, rather than the cemented joints. However, I'm reassured that the different PVC pipes all greatly exceeded their ratings, and thus the water pressure I have here at home. And I learned proper PVC joining technique to boot.
Yes, I was surprised that the second length of 10' SCH40 3/4" pipe used for this video, burst well below 1500. Thanks for watching! Be sure to share the video link, as of now the video was a big waste of my time.
can you mix it a little with nailpolich remover or alcohal or not? like got one that is somewhat hardoned and can still be used for small projects but would like to know if could reconstatute it with alcohal or nail polish remover?
Very scientific approach - nicely done! I have not been able to find a slow setting cement. Do you know of any. Thanks!
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Very good video, although I knew the pipe would fail before the fittings would. I've been using solvent welding with PVC pipes for >40 years. I'm a HUGE fan of Christy"s because you DON' T need to use primer if the pipe is < 4 inches. Look it up. 120 grit sandpaper and your good. Much faster than Oatey's cement
Good video!
Thank you! Please share the video link with others.
GREAT VIDEO WORK....Thanks!
*QUESTION* Is it necessary to use a PRIMER with these Cement Glues ?
I can answer that question very easily. :-)
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Interesting, I have seen PVC used for air supply lines, never tried it my self. Good presentation
Thank you Craig! Stay safe.
PVC is against code for use in compressed air systems. Usually black pipe is used.
What is your opinion for wet/dry cements?
So you’re still applying Oatey’s Primer to the Christy’s Blue? A lot of the videos I’ve seen don’t use any additional primer, just the Christy’s Blue. Is applying Oatey’s Primer an additional advantage or a step that’s not necessary?
Primer is required for pressure lines, now DWV.
No pressure in house water comes to this.
Very good cement.
Sometimes you have to make a connection without being able to use the ¼ turn twist. How best to do that?
You should do the same pressure test with primer and without primer.
The primer softened the PVC?
Okay, so, in the last test the ends kept popping off. In this test, the ends or fine but the pipe itself blew, what gives (use pun at your discretion)????
I live in Florida and don’t have a large yard. Every time I need pvc cement, I’ll get it out only to find it’s one big glob. Anything you can do to keep it from drying out? Someone said to turn the can on its lid when storing.
Age and a poorly sealed can make that happen. Newer cans have a seal to prevent that from happening.
How much psi do you think 3 in can handle.
Sir, they seem to burst most often at the ends. i suspect the glue or primer, or both, melt and thin the ends. would you mind using super glue at the ends or epoxy, and testing the center of the pipes by putting the glue and primer on the middle, about one inch wide swathes? if you don't have time or just don't feel like it, that's okay.
I agree, I think the solvents weaken the pipe next to the fitting. Be sure to watch and share my newer video below. Thanks!
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If you make the pipe as short as possible you'll take pipe variabilities out of the equation. Also, its interesting that two pipes swelled at the fitting. An effect of the solvent?
I thought of that. :-) Thanks for watching!
I wonder if the wall was thinner for both pipes in that general area, it is unusual.
electronicsNmore Primer has been shown over and over again on tests run by standards organizations to weaken glue joints. Primer is a solvent, it reduces the cross sectional area at the joint. Its main purpose is to clean contaminates and to soften/break down the PVC and accelerate the reaction with the PVC glue. The more primer is applied and the longer it is left on the pipe before completing the connection the weaker the joint will be. The strongest joints are produced on clean pipes, glue only, no primer. That being said, primer only marginally weakens the joint
I am replacing pool fittings by the pump return from the pool and i notice blue glue or cement at the joints its blue but dries like Elmers glue should I use the same or stay with cement clear?
Clear or blue, all gets the job done
I just went to Christy's offical website and primer and or cleaner is not required per manufacturer however it does state unless required by local building codes and as far as using the Oakley primer Oakley states that the primer should be sticky but not wet so I have to agree with the others the test wasn't done as you stated per manufacturer but in your defense your connections didn't fail before the pipe. Although after say real world lifespan of say 5-10 years of temperature change and soil or pressure changes I'm sure that your connections would fail
I got oatey purple primer & christy's red hot glue will this two be ok its for sch 40 pvc for a sump for my saltwater tank thx you
Yes, I used that combination in the video.
I am assuming these are the same brands made in the same factory on around the same date, yet, compared to your other test, the pipes did not hold up at all. It just seems so odd that they had such different strength characteristics.
Yes. The 3/4" SCH40 pvc pipe in the previous video hit 1500 without bursting, but the 3/4" pipes in this video from another 10' length couldn't get past 1200psi. Almost like the walls were a little thinner in this video.
That's like comparing apples to oranges. Each if those adhesives are for different applications. Light bodied vs medium bodied and grey is typically heavy bodied. All have different set times for a reason.
Incorrect. The test was a fair comparison, and all types were given the same cure time. You're the first complaint.
@@electronicsNmore Those are facts not a complaint. This is a compliment: Great test, best one I've seen. Results make sense, pipe psi threshold is lower than the bond 👍
So I'm a plumber and I do have one thing to say that the clear glue it a long period of time of having pressure going through it not ment for the pressure it is ment for serwer pipe but the blue glues are ment to hold against constant pressure the clear in not
Excellent elimination of variables. Don't know if anyone has already said this, but here's an idea. the longer something is, the more likely it will fail based on the "Only as strong as its weakest link" effect. To draw on a parallel, When testing rope, it's well known that the longer a rope is, the less weight it can hold before breaking. I wonder what the results would be if you used a length of pipe that was exactly long enough so that both fittings actually touched each other. If the goal is to see which solvent is stronger, it might have better results toward that goal. Another thought, and you would know better than I since you've been doing plumbing for a while and I'm just a DIYer, but is it possible to do this same test with schedule 80 pipe. I've never seen it sold at Home Depot or Lowes and don't know much about it other than it's for commercial use and much stronger than schedule 40. Thanks for an awesome video.
Glad you liked the video! SCH80 PVC isn't commonly used, and since the video didn't get the high level of exposure it deserved, I won't be making another. It would be a waste of time and money. I only do follow-up videos when people share the video and the view count is high. I cannot spend valuable time buying supplies, filming, and editing videos for no compensation. Be sure to watch my other PVC videos below and share. Thank you
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@@electronicsNmore The view count seems to be on par or higher than average compared to the rest of your videos. The feedback, however, is very low. I enjoyed your video because of the the scientific approach and the professional way it was presented, but ultimately it didn't satisfy the reason I clicked on the video in the first place. Don't get me wrong, it's nice to know that pretty much any solvent I choose will be stronger than the pipe itself. But what I really wanted to know is what solvent is the best. Most people would search for videos like this one because of the wide variety to choose from at the hardware store. I suspect that if the test conditions you implemented actually provided the results to rank the solvents from strongest to weakest it would get much higher exposure. But if you do rerun the test with a stronger or shorter pipe, I would be very careful of the shrapnel if it were to explode before the solvent failed. I hope you reconsider making a new video. If you do, I would be sure to mention the pressure rating of the pipe when you apply pressure to it and compare the failure pressure to the average water pressure for a residential area. Besides, a cool explosion would generate the "Oh Wow" factor needed to generate shares, instead of the "Oh, that's nice to know" factor it currently generates.
@@seanile The majority of my videos are grossly underrated. I should be getting at least 50k views per video. People upload stupid videos on YT and get 100k to 1M or more, with all kinds of noises in the background, or the creator rambles on. Completely illogical that a video about what I showed, a very popular subject to many, only gets a few thousand views.
@@electronicsNmore People who are truly interested in how things work are a minority my friend. There are outliers such as how the mask works. If it were not for COVID it would not have gotten the views I suspect. Unfortunately, you are in competition with the shock and awe posters. Just like the TV show myth busters. They not only show the results, but then they have fun and reward the audience with the "lets see what happens if we do the same thing, OVERKILL style". You may just need to adapt to the times and give a "dessert" to your mental nutrition your providing with your videos.
But to be fair, I just discovered you yesterday, and I have not watched any of your other videos yet. except for the one you linked to in your comment. I hope I wasn't too forward in my response about providing a big Bang at the end. I was just trying to troubleshoot the issue you described based on limited knowledge
Can you do another pressure test using Christy’s without purple primer?
I was testing PVC cement for "PRESSURE" applications, not DWV. According to Christy's label, you need to use the primer. Not enough people shared the video, so I won't be making another. A lot of time goes into these videos, and views are an absolute must. Thanks for watching!
Do some test with out using primer.
Found the video What Happens If You Don't Use PVC Cleaner or Primer?
Clear glue is the best in my opinion. Also I’m wondering if you considered doing this test but instead of using air, using water pressure to test the glue joint. Like for example hooking a sealed water source to these pipes with caps.:
No, using air to test creates an explosive device.
@@electronicsNmore I’m aware but I guess what I’m trying to ask whether that would have different results than your test.
I need a test after one hour. Usually don't have the luxury of waiting 24 hours to pressure test. Thanks
If the video got the much higher view count it deserved, I'd gladly make another. Unfortunately YT hides my videos way down the search results. Thanks for watching!
@@electronicsNmore Luck of the draw it seems like. Anyways I dont see any videos out there that fit a 24 hour test so I also recommend this as most people only have an hour, 3hours or so of cure time.
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And put in your ear plugs
Put on your eye shades
You know where to put the cork
How do the cans open? I'm using a gripper glove..is is screw on or do I need a screw driver...I'm really upset
A " grip" glove...this auto correct sux...
Turn upside down and bang the lid on concrete a few times. Make sure it hits flat. Always works for me.
@@electronicsNmore Thx, a n'bor opened them with a wrench😘 easily..
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Thanks but it's too late.. luckily bc I can't use this on the hoses/ pipes I have.. I had a plumber come out. I'll just give this to my brother since I can't find the receipt..
You might use a smaller diameter pipe like 1/2" as they can stand more pressure, usually. Same principal for tire pressure, the larger ones would be destroyed at the pressure some bicycle tires use. We have some equipment that requires flexible ss tubing with a working pressure of 3000 psi and the tubing is 1/16" ID. I would like to see how other brands compare and especially how one-part primer/cement compares to two-part like these. Very accurate testing methods you have created.
Yes, the 1/2" pipe does have a higher burst pressure, by about 300-400 PSI. I tested one in my previous video that was hidden from viewers on YT. LOL Thanks for watching!
1/16” is pretty small
Can this stuff be used on leather and fabric?
No. E-6000 is good
I have two issues with you're testing. First you set the tubing down on the board after applying the primer, which could have removed more or less primer on a particular tube then another. 2nd, you used an Qatley primer, with a Christy product. I would have liked to see you use a Christy primer with their own product. And I don't think a primer is required with red hot blue?
Hi there. As for setting down the tubing on a clean surface, not an issue. If you look up the MSDS for Oatey and Christy's purple primer, you'll see the exact same chemicals are used in varying ratios. The results wouldn't be much different than you saw in this video. Thanks for watching
1. Primer isn't required for blue glue
2. Scuff the fittings and pipe with sandpaper first it'll never come apart! Pipefitter
Hi Bruce. According to the can, primer is required for all 3 if the pipe will be pressurized. No primer for DWV. Thanks for watching!
I have used blue glue with, and without primer, never had it fail. I still like to use primer either way... I've also gone both ways on the scuffing, basically, if I have sandpaper when I'm doing the repair, I use it. Whatever the case, I've never had a pvc joint fail...
@@Quickened1 In all my years of doing PVC work, I also never had one leak.
Could you try this with shark bite fittings !?
I like that idea, thanks!
Does PVC cement work on regular plastic? From what I understand, PVC is just an ABS plastic, polyvinyl chloride
They sell cement for ABS.
I have used the red hot on it without failure, can't attest to the rest...
@@Quickened1 The only thing I don't like about the Red Hot & Oatey blue is how it applies, it's too thick and doesn't coat the pipe good, the Oatey regular goes on with a very nice uniform coating.
@@electronicsNmore ...I tend to agree, but sometimes, like when the pipe can't be twisted, or in damp locations, I prefer the hotter glue...It tends to set faster too, I'd say 90% of my work is done with Oatey regular...
Maybe put the fittings almost next to each other to avoid pipe expansion
Yes, that's a ways to test at even higher levels of pressure. Thanks for watching! Be sure to share the video link.
Have you tried Arrow Adhesives?
No
@@electronicsNmore worth trying them. Their the original Adhesive manufacturer that used to supply Oatey back in the day. We use a lot of Arrow here in South Africa
DO THIS WITHOUT PRIMER ALSO. FAIR AND BALANCED TESTING.
I'd love to see this test done with and without primer...this is a common debate.
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Who jumped on the first one?
aren't you meant to let the primer dry first before applying the cement?
No. Directions clearly state to apply the cement when still wet.
@@electronicsNmore i must be using a different primer, the stuff i use is clear for a start so yea nvm haha
I thought with the Oatey Blue or other “blue” products it is NOT recommend to use any primer.
Home Depot sells Christy & Oatey blue products in 2 packs(cement/primer).
To be more correct you may want to change the order on the way the glue is put on. pipe-fitting-pipe
Good Info Sir !
I never EVER waist my time with the Primer. Just a money sponge. You simply don't need the stuff. They have everyone thinking it's required. Well it's NOT. A quick rub with 260 grit sand paper cleans and preps the joints more then fine. If you feel you need to clean the materials more, use cheap azz Acetone. The sand paper rub works magic. Hell in a Pinch I've used nothing but Acetone alone . I have water pipes 30 years old still working here I did that with. Well pressure 45lb . NO ISSUES. NO LEAKS!
If he didn't use the primer, he'd receive a crap ton of complaints this testing was flawed for not following the recommended process. He uses the primer, someone still says he's wrong ;)
@@adrianmack3 True, also most cities or townships(this is the case where I am) will fail inspection if the "plumber" did not use primer.
@@JT-lq4yd so, not worth it trying to save a couple bucks
I have a video planned comparing primer/glue, sand & glue, sand/primer & glue, and only glue, but if these videos continue to do poorly when they should be doing great, I may not do it. Thanks for watching!
@Adrian Mack You're 100% correct, all the experts would be here telling me how I failed to do as the manufacturer stated for the tests. Thanks for watching! Be sure to share.
It's safe to say that if your fitting is the one that fails, you did something wrong.
medium gray renamed to heavy duty gray is strongest in many other tests
1 more thing try making a self power supplying saw
And I wasent trying to be rude on the other vid
Use schedule 80???
No reason to, you'll never go anywhere near those pressure levels.
When you put text on the screen, can you put it in a different place. Every single time, without fail, when I pause the video to read the words, youtube covers them up.
Where in the video? Someone told me they to move up the overlay for subscribing and clicking the bell, I did that.
If on a touchscreen device, after pausing, try tapping on a non-control area - that clears the screen of any RUclips controls.
You'll need 2 taps to continue playing though, as the first tap (anywhere on the screen) just brings the controls back.
Been a long time since I used RUclips on a regular computer, so don't recall how to do 7t there...
@@electronicsNmore At the very top and very bottom of the video. On the top, YT superimposes the name of the video and at the bottom it superimposes the controls and the timer line. I watch from a PC.
@@tarstarkusz I watch from a desktop as well, and don't see it. Where in the video?
@@electronicsNmore There's an example at 3:00 and another at 4:18 Those are at the top. At 5:00 there is one at the bottom.
Use schedule 80 pvc and make another video. The pvc will not fail and quickly and the solvents will be tested.
I used SCH40 because that's the most common.
@@electronicsNmore You're absolutely right, comma however I'm left wanting for more. Your video proves that the pipe will burst before the cement.. That's good to know, but which glue is stronger?
You should use shorter pieces of sch 80 pipe.
This is a test of the pipe. Not the cement.
1000psi is enough for me
Thanks for watching James! Be sure to share.
I found some old PVC pipe in my shop yesterday. I was surprised how much thicker the old pipe was.
I bet what you used was from those folks who gave us the bat soup virus. They have a way of decreasing the material content of almost anything.
Are you sure it's not schedule 80?
Positive. I make archery bows from PVC and can spot differences pretty fast, in how they heat, bend, and form by hand. The old piece was on the same pile with some newer pipe. the old stuff was still straight, and the new pipe was sagging under its own weight.
why
dont u ues cleaner
Cleaner isn't used on brand new pipe, just purple primer.
all the glues did their job. Its the pipe itself that failed. This test is basically unless information.
Too much power consumption a Peltier module
Go figure, when you tested the pipe, the glue blew, when you tested the glue, the pipes blew.... How ironic is that?
I was surprised myself. I applied it the same exact way, using the same primer and cement......similar air temp and water test temps.
He didn't even apply the glue right. Male-female-male. He went female-male and joined.
Makes no difference, I tried a few different ways. If you doubt my results, try it yourself. The test is reliable, and application methods vary.
WRONG! WRONG !WRONG!
YOUR PRIMER SHOULD DRY AND YOU RUSHED THE PROCESS CAUSING A MIX, I SAW THE MIXED COLORS DRIP OFF.
IT BREAKS DOWN THE GLUE AND ONLY NEEDED FOR THE 1ST REGULAR GLUE. BOTH RAIN OR SHINE, AND CHRISTY'S IS PRIMERLESS GLUE AND YOU JUST APPLY A LAYER WIPE IT OFF AND ITS PRIMED. ALWAYS DRY PRIMER OR YOUR VIDEO IS NOT TO SPEC PER MANUFACTURER AS STATED.
WRONG! Read the container, and stop being a Jerko using caps. Pedants aren't tolerated on this channel.
For the love of god don’t buy the oatmeal brand. Cristys Red Hot only.
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Blue glue sucks
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