I have a bit of a story to tell that happened to me being a member of the LDS faith. I live in North Carolina now, but it hasn't always been where I lived. I converted to the LDS faith back in 1973. But working now in NC, which has a Baptist base, I rarely get a negative reaction from my neighbors. Except once. I was taking care of a child who was comatose. The parents were Baptist. They mentioned how their church helped them. I never said anything negative concerning their religion but said I that's why love my faith because of how we help others, and in the discussion, I told them I was LDS. The next day, my supervisor called me to let me know the family requested that I don't return. I had taken care of the child for over a year. So I went to talk to my supervisor and was told that they accused me of practicing witchcraft in their home. I was flabbergasted, to say the least. About six months later I ran into the mother of that child in a store, and she apologized profusely about what happened and I told her, I had forgiven her and her family back when I was let go. We both cried and hugged. It turned out her child had passed and she wanted me to attend the funeral service. I told her I would be honored to be there. To this day I know the mother was under alot of stress, and I wasn't surprised at her initial reaction. She loved her child and wanted the best for that child. And I know that many people have negative feelings towards the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I love the church, its people, the leaders, and the Gospel. They strengthen and guide me through these troubling times.
I have a story about Brigham Young. Brigham Young stole Zina Diantha Huntington, a wife and mother, from her husband and children. He knocked her up and had a baby with her, destroying the family. Zina was tricked into adultery, she was a married woman with children, who Brigham tricked into sleeping with her. Not to mention Brigham Young marrying 15 year old Clarissa Decker and sleeping with her. Don't get me started on Joseph Smith. May I kindly recomend The CES Letter, The Mormon church's gospel topic essays, Grant Palmer's 'Insider's View to Mormon Origins.," or 'Letter for my Wife'. Trust me, Linda, when I say Mormons know nothing of their founders and their religion.
Concerning the poll at the end, I'm a member of the church and I have to say that there is definitely a difference between the Utah church culture and the Latter Day Saint culture outside of it.
I would have to agree with that statement about Utah Mormons and those outside of the state. Kind of like living next to Romney who tells you how spiritual and righteous he is all of the time vs living next to John Stockton (I know he is not a member) who is simply a quiet but friendly neighbor.
Wouldn't it be nice if we lived in a world where people gave the benefit of the doubt? Asking people what they believe and trusting they mean it, rather than telling people what they believe makes a lot more sense to me.
And you know what they preach???. Mostly what non believers know about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints are misconceptions. What is portrayed on TV specials is absolute garbage.
Genuine question: When was the last time you observed a religious individual portrayed in a respectable, dignified way on TV, in movies, books, & the like?
I’ve been watching Hello Saints on RUclips. A Protestant pastor has been putting out videos of him learning about the LDS faith. His most recent one is of him attending LDS conference in Salt Lake City last weekend. He’s kind, respectful and genuinely curious even if he doesn’t agree. Very refreshing.
I've seen many of his videos. He is respectful, but at the same time very passively trying to convert people away from the church. He should focus on his own congregation.
@@pattykake7195 true enough. But I have no control over that. I only had control over myself as a missionary, and I hated door to door with a passion. I never told anyone their religion was wrong. I only invited them to learn about ours, mostly for the fact there are a lot of lies and misconceptions spread about our beliefs. Honestly, I just wish all Christians can get along. We all love Jesus don't we? There is enough wickedness in the world that we should be focusing our fight on -and not on each other. That is why I believe that pastor should focus on his own congregation. We need to be strengthened in Christ for what is to come in the days ahead.
@@jenchristy5867 With respect…do the salespeople mention the rock in a hat translation of the BOM ….or Joe marrying 14 year olds and other mens wives behind Emma’s back…I think not…🤫
@@pattykake7195 I would please ask you to have a little respect their Latter-Day Saint missionaries not door to door salesman. I grew up in a completely different religion before I converted to the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints and when I decided to be baptized I heard from my family who is of a completely different religion that's what they wish as well as the pastor of that denomination said that's what they think their religion should do send out missionaries to talk about the gospel that's what they are doing they're going to people's doors and want to teach them about the Gospel of Jesus Christ want to teach you about the church. Now it is a free country you do not have to listen and you do not have to like it but I have every right to say because it is a free country that you are being extremely disrespectful.
I am Catholic who knows no LDS members, but as someone who general pays attention to politics, especially pop politics (i.e. tv/film), I have too noticed the rising trend of targeting the Mormon faith. From that ex-Mormon documentary to that Hulu min-series, and the most recent BYU controversies relating to race there's probably some sort of active demonization on the part of the tv/film industry and more left leaning students. Frankly, being critical of Mormonism is the trend. Today Mormonism tomorrow who knows what religion will be pointed and sneered at.
Yeah, Scientology had a critical documentary about it. All the cults have documentaries exposing their trash beliefs. So what? Deserves to be criticized since it’s a brainwashing cult that lies to its members
You never had the Mormon Church put you on one of their gang stalking black lists. Once they put you on one of their lists that they admit they have, all the witches and satan worshipers will stalk you in your city, along with the Mormons.
@B H you're exactly right, that's what the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints do all the time. Even though the people believe in different things, the way I see it there not up to speed yet, just give others a little while they will catch up. This is why I love the Lord's Church, you have to allow others to catch up when they're ready. That's where the Holy Ghost comes in to teach the things you seek.
I'm 75 and have been a member since age 16. I'm from Virginia and moved to Utah 4 years ago to be close to family. This is nothing new. There are just more Latter-day Saints in Utah.
Hopefully that demographic is changing; used to be you couldn't get a job even as a medical doctor in Utah without the special undershirt. closed bunch of smug, under-educated folks.
It’s actually been decreasing immensely since the creation of the internet. There is independent data on this. You can see how Mormonism, and even other religions, doesn’t hold up to scrutiny and many people are leaving.
@5:13 "While the AP obtained thousands of documents and brought to light a terrible abuse, there was one glaring error, the name of the church itself" This is the most amazing part of this report, as if calling us Mormons is a bigger deal then covering up child abuse. And let's all remember that is was only 8 years ago that the church produced the movie "Meet the MORMONS"! and did the whole I'm a MORMON campaign.
I was also shocked by this too. I noticed they didn't show the clip when Nelson said the use of "Mormon" is a win for Satan... because they know how absurd it would sound to non-members.
Why, yes. Satan has been trying to slander Christ for years. It should be no surprise he’s doing the same now. His time is short tho as well as the wicked who follow him.
The trouble is that this isn’t unique to Mormonism. Many religions and cults have been under scrutiny and persecution. However, that doesn’t mean that those religions and cults are true. Also, these religions and cults will often take any criticism or questioning of their religion as persecution and develop a “persecution complex” to vindicate to themselves and other members in the in group that they are being persecuted because their group is right and true.
Brigham Young stole, Zina Diantha Huntington, a wife and mother from her own family. He impregnated her, had a baby with her, and destroyed the active-Mormon family. Brigham, using his position, tricked the young woman into adultery.
Really? With all the ways the church slaughtered their response to the AP article, what you choose to focus on is the AP using "mormon" in the article? That is the current problem......the church not recognizing and owning up to the harm they have done and instead focusing on the misuse of a term and feeling victimized.
Prosecution is the churches most powerful tool,if they point the congregation at an “attacker” the church made up they won’t want to criticize the church
I see what you're saying 💯%. I haven't been active for 30yrs. For a multitude of reasons but 1 of them is very similar to what you're saying. Honestly it comes down to the individuals that made these choice's to violate and abuse. No one else, not the church but the person/s that did it. Oh and btw I'm not religious at all. It's unjust and narrow minded for people to demonize group's of people or religion's. That is a major issue in the World today, frankly it always has been Honestly but has become much worse in the age of social media. I'm not saying that's what you did at all with your comment and again understand where you're coming from.
The LDS Church has been persecuted from its beginning. That’s how they arrived in Utah. I wish the report gave it some historical context instead of listing recent TV shows as evidence.
Stop it with this persecution narrative - the Mormons were chased out of towns back east because they would come in, take over the government, impose their will on non-mormons, and generally tick everyone off. They were a disruptive cult that refused to play by the rules - but you only hear the "oh poor us, persecuted for our faith" nonsense in history classes in Utah. They weren't persecuted for their faith, they were held accountable for their actions.
@@tabithalayton2001 For the most part the LDS church shared food and shelter with the early Indians. My relatives were some of the first to settle in Utah.
When you don't correct a lie, people think it must be true. It's important to correct lies about the church. It doesn't have to be done EVERY time (e.g. sometimes there's no one there who will listen anyway) and it shouldn't be done in a contentious way, but if we don't correct it who will? People won't know the truth if they don't hear the truth.
As an honest investigator, the book of mormon has had several changes since 1830. Spelling, punctual, names changed, and paragraphs removed. Is that a lie? Are you willing to correct it?
@@Bullybob77 WROTE: " As an honest investigator, the book of mormon has had several changes since 1830. Spelling, punctual, names changed, and paragraphs removed. Is that a lie? Are you willing to correct it? " All of Mormonism is a lie. Joseph Smith wrote himself into the King James bible and called it the JST, Joseph Smith Translation. He wrote prophesies about himself that he could fulfill.
@@rickdavis2235 well yes, that is what investigation leads to if you use lds church approved material. so either the church is lying or the church is a sham, either way, the church isnt true
The problem is that often what is deemed a lie today can become a truth tomorrow,, especially in the world of Mormonism. Example: Years ago critics of the LDS Church charged that JS used a peep stone in a hat to supposedly produce the BOM. The outcry was that the charge was anti Mormon lies. Now the church has admitted the story is true in its CES essays, even showing pictures of the actual peep stone. Now I hear Mormons saying they never said it was a lie in the first place. The changing world of Mormonism.
I just want to say. It’s easier to be lds in Utah than not. I’ve felt discriminated because I choose not to go to church. It’s hard to find friends. Maybe I am not being attacked but I am being isolated.
@@user-anonymous95 well, I don’t believe there’s such thing as devil, in my opinion it’s people making bad decisions. I’ve felt forced to go to church I didn’t go but it felt like people were forcing me. One time I agreed to make a poster for a church event because I like art, I was told to drop it off on Sunday morning at the church so I walked over there with my toddler in the stroller. I saw someone I knew right outside the entrance I gave him the poster to take it inside. He started pushing the stroller with my daughter inside the church building while trying to tell me I should really join them for church. I said I wasn’t coming and then the door closed behind him. He was waiting for me to go in but I told him I wasn’t going to. It made me quite mad that he would use the child to make me come in. He brought her back out after a while and tried to laugh about it. I didn’t think it was funny at all. Since then they’ve pretended they don’t see me when we run into each other
@@janaweser1986 that’s wrong. That is an awful representation of the church. Some people are too forceful… that’s especially why we’ve started teaching “worry about yourself unless you’re on a mission”
@@janaweser1986 well still, people in any church should not force anyone to join. Jesus didn’t condemn, why do they condemn? What I’m trying to say is, it’s your choice, let it be your choice
Imagine being more offended about a nickname than the long-term abuse of children... Even if the Bisbee case were the only one it's extremely egregious. Where is the flood of faithful members and leaders wanting to make sure it never happens again?!
How do you know their hasn't been a flood of concerned faithful members? Have you some information that the rest of us has no awareness of? S ome international poll of our 16 million members or a representative sampling? As for the name of the church it denotes our belief that it is led and founded by Christ. Allowing a nickname to be used detracts from our mission. This has been an ongoing effort for the last ten years. The name "Mormon" was originally used as a slur by people who drove LDS people out of their state because of growing political clout and our opposition to slavery. With all the talk about personal pronouns I would think you would be more tolerant. You make a false assumption that we care more about our nickname than the safety of our membership. You are using fallacies to push your agenda and it shows. As a former scout master we were always to practice "2 deep leadership" meaning that no leader was ever alone with any scout, another must always be present. That has been the case for 20 years. As a ministering brother I am never to enter the home of a single woman without a second being present. That has been the case for my 67 years in the church.
The church is doing a lot, including having two teachers in each children's class and keeping doors open when children are being interviewed for callings. It is taken very seriously.
@@joycechampion3124 I'll say it again: For as long as the church has bishops calling church lawyers about abuse they are not doing enough. Until the church begins to do the morally correct thing rather than the legal minimum they are not doing enough. I also would not call what the church does do "a lot." Two deep leadership, open doors, and a 15 minute training are the bare minimum and hardly comprehensive.
As a member we do not expect everyone to join the church. If they say no that is fine, let them worship who and what ever they wish. If you want to know more about the church and believe what we believe we will be happy to tell you, however that does not mean you have to believe it. Just let us know and we will go.
The lds churches believes they are the only true church and if you are not a Mormon then you won’t be saved by any means! That’s not what Jesus said in the Bible! JS was a liar. Continue living the lie!
sad though so many members get upset at mainstream christians because they try teaching their message to members sad also members say things "let "them" worship who and what "they" will"
I think a lot of churches are under attack. It’s too bad that others feel it necessary to knockdown something they don’t know enough about. Religion is essential to our soul. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has done so many wonderful things to help others and try to walk in Christ’s footsteps. Religions are beautiful and provide tools to get through life. 😉💛😇
Done beautiful things you mean brainwash people and use your money for projects that help no one but their coffers! religion is primitive superstition but the LDS is in the same league of scientology's lunacy! and don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about I was a member of the cult for 18 wasted years! Cheers From Salt Lake City!
@@manderson4803 Because people actually use the buildings for services and activities. If there are many buildings where you live, there must be many members in your area.
I think in relation to what the church owns, what they give is actually not that much. I'd like to see how they come up with their numbers. Truth is that we have no idea how the church, for example, came up with giving 900M over the past year. Are they counting the volunteer hours and giving a dollar amount to that? If they do, that isn't the church giving, that is the individual. (I guess those people could subtract that from their tithes and offering...) There is just no transparency in what these "wonderful" things are. Why doesn't the church open a soup kitchen or a woman's shelter? Digging wells, and making Days For Girls pads, are wonderful, but it is still people doing the work and donating the supplies, not the church. Exact transparency would be great.
We’ve been under attack almost from the beginning. I joined the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints back in 1962, when I was 11yrs.and some kids and teachers at my school immediately started giving me a hard time about it. I would answer any questions they had and then let it go. Some people will be nice and some people will be rude. That’s just the way it works. 😊
I'm a member from Australia, there's not a lot of hate compared to the USA... idk why American's are so rude to so many religions, just mind your own business...
"The most persecution I’ve ever felt has been from people I attend church with!" It would be difficult to be persecuted by people you do not encounter. Consequently, the likely persecutor of a Catholic will be another Catholic, and so on; name the church.
You're telling me. The most vitriolic hate I ever received around the time of Prop 8 in California were from supposedly "active" members who would tear up signs and just be terrible people in general
There will always be detractors of any large group, or high-profile personality. As that grows, so will the detractors. For me, if I want to know something about a people or person I just go and ask them. Media is hype, just like the topic for this feed is probably clickbait. It's the internet. If you search for something to validate your opinion -- you'll find it.
The LDS church kept copious records of seemingly everything everyone ever said or did. The vile and obscene blasphemies spoken by church leaders should shock and appall you. No need for the internet, hearsay or gossip.
That's why there is only one way to find truth and that is to ask our Lord Jesus Christ with real intent if it is nonsense or is it the truth! Anyone can say anything and call it truth or something else. Even if you ask someone, where do I find truth, they can point you the way. And it's up to your educational skills to find it. You still don't know if it is true until you ask the Lord. Is that too hard for some people to do, I think yes. The Lord has promised this great promise if we will ask we will receive truth and you will know it by the burning in your heart and in your mind if it is true, if not, Houston we have a problem.😒
@@amandadangerfieldpiano The thief on the cross prayed to Jesus. Stephen prayed to Jesus. Acts 7 If you can't pray to Christ, then you have the wrong Christ. A Christ that cannot save you.
@@amandadangerfieldpiano that's exactly what you should be doing. I do the same thing as far as I know every Christian pray to the father and close in the name of Jesus Christ, you're doing it right.
I will never get the people who feel they are justified in mocking or attacking others. What have the Mormons done to people outside of the religion that is horrible? The answer is nothing. The Church of Jesus Christ serves and helps others no matter race, religion, or politics. The attacking of Mormons is based on ignorance. The more crazy this world becomes the more I cling to the gospel of Jesus Christ.
What about poor families being told to pay tithing above all else? Especially when the church has a ginormous hedge fund with probably around 200 billion now since the article was released? With 6% dividends per year…you do the math.
Mormons are some of the very best people and don't deserve this judgemental, self-righteous bigotry from people who probably don't know any Mormons. Let people live!
Not true, I grew up in Utah and I know a lot of Mormons. When we first moved to Utah in the early nineties, all our neighbors welcomed us into the neighborhood. When they found out we weren't interested in going to the LDS church, none of them talk to us again. It even went to the point of the neighbors telling their kids not to play with us kids.
We aren’t a cult, we did nothing to be labeled as such, we don’t create “false persecution”it’s a genuine problem that we can’t do anything about other than be the better person
As a non-Utah Mormon, I had major culture shock when I moved to Provo/Orem to attend BYU. It boggled my mind how most members treated those who were outsiders, either because they were not LDS or they were from the “mission field” like me. Without realizing it, and without really wanting to be judgmental because the church gives us all of these criteria to stay on the covenant path, members have all of these outward clues to judge if others are worthy or not. They have always felt victimized and the martyr as well, making them feel like they are above those who are calling them out on their own negative behavior. I could not wait to move out of Utah, even though it is a beautiful place. The culture is toxic. 2 years ago, after being a member for 50 yrs, I realized it was the church that was toxic.
Thank you for realizing the faults here. Really. It helps me greatly to know at least some people recognize how horrible Utah Mormons can be to those outside the culture.
Lol wait til you find out about the original religion and how they feel about the people that aren’t apart of the tribe. The worlds bigger than Mormons hahahaha
That’s not what he meant by ticking all the boxes. Works doesn’t produce faith but faith should produce works. As you walk in faith it should change you. So tired of other faiths misunderstanding this particular belief of our church.
Im an ex-mormon I left at age 23 and was since birth a mormon . I will say that it was so traumatic and I have unresolved trauma from being a part of that cult. I struggled for years after I left and still do. You can tell it’s a cult because of the way others react when you leave.. it’s the same as when you’re in… the bullying… the shaming… etc.
Really? Then, wouldn't you know it's "Mormon", as in the name of the prophet-historian who compiled the Book of Mormon, not "Morman"... which isn't even a valid word?
@@Quagthistle you are NOT Going to attack me for what I’ve been through and my testimony of leaving. That’s what you’re NOT going to do. People like you is why people don’t leave.. the attacks. It doesn’t matter how I spell it. It doesn’t change what happened!
@@Hbush1987 If it doesn't matter how you spell it, then why did you change it? You would have had a better chance of remaining LDS had you possessed a modicum of intelligence. It's best you refrain from giving anybody advice.
I would hope people respect others as human beings first, regardless of faith they grew up in. But if you choose to portray the negative stereotypes associated with any brand, be it a team, employer, church, culture, then that is respected differently. The issue seems to come from the disparity between inherent culture and elective brand. Every culture seems to come with one but important to not confuse the two in terms of treatment. If one is playing attitudes from the brand, then it's a brand reaction and it shouldn't be disrespect towards the culture. It's really just treating people as individuals, defaulting respect and not assuming too much by their cultural identity. By the same token, you might also get favorable treatment for playing the positive aspects, depending on the values shared.
Do they ACTUALLY expect us to forget that a decade or so ago they FLOODED RUclips with those ‘I’m a Mormon’ ads? Now it’s a slur?… please. Which Article of Faith did the church violate with their SCC fines for Ensign Peak? Asking for a friend…
It’s not just contained to Mormons. Modern American culture is very anti-religion. Unless that religion can be fetishized and used to push certain goals. Not that long ago I was told “LDS “ was offense. “Mormon is the preferred name” I was told. Now it’s the opposite. I’m confused.
A few years ago they didn't want us to use either, but to use the whole name; Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. It didn't take long before folks went back to LDS, which is what it's been mostly referred to my 65 years on earth.
The culture isn't being attacked, the multi billion dollar organization is. Sure, those college kids shouldn't have said that. College kids say dumb things sometimes, especially at football games. But everything else was perfectly in line. The church has a lot of dirt on it and shedding some light on it isn't an attack. It's truth.
So does the whole Christian church. Some of the things done throughout the last 2000 years is bad enough. The point is the church isn't the bad guy here it's people who have done bad things. For the most part the majority are just trying to live Christ like lives and serve the Lord Jesus Christ.
They purposely get the "facts" wrong, casting a tainted light by design and taking things out of context to get better ratings due to the shock factor. It's not truth at all. It's historical fiction.
It’s called the [insert religion here] Persecution Complex. It’s more that the belief doesn’t hold up to scrutiny and people would rather defend a flawed epistemology than let go of a bad or unfounded belief. So in one way, yes, Mormonism is under attack. BUT it’s because it fails at sooooooo many ways. But don’t fret Mormons, so are most religions. People are waking up to irrational beliefs.
@@chapmanchapsYou know, not being a deluded nut and thinking that the various invisible magic beings and characters from a Middle Eastern book of myths and fables are real, that's a pretty rational alternative 👍
One problem I see that the LDS church has always been targeted so why don’t everyone give us a break,like I have always said ‘before you cast the first stone make sure your closet has nothing in it’.
Every so called "persecution" the Mormon church has undergone has been for legitimate reasons. The bank in Kirkland Ohio, the land & livestock purchasing with worthless Kirkland bank notes in Missouri, the Gestapo techniques of destruction of the printing press in Illinois etcetera, & on & on. The Mormons always tell only their side if the story which is tainted by the absence of the truth!!!
Rather unfortunately, the Mormon closet has a lot of skeletons in it. No faith is perfect, but their doctrine contains so many twisted nooks and crannies that I would really stay away.
Just wanted to add that the FLDS Church mentioned in the newscast is not part of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints which Joseph Smith established.
The only reason FLDS do polygamy is because the early Mormon prophets were doing it Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, etc. The FLDS is pretty much just the 19th century Mormon church in modern times. I don’t see how you can condemn someone like Warren Jeffs who married teenage girls and not condemn the early Mormon prophets who married teenage girls (Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Lorenzo Snow, Wilford Woodruff, etc.)
And SO will _attack_ it at EVERY opportunity, with help from those he can persuade to his CONTENTIOUSNESS , whether they _realize_ what they're *doing* or not . Asked below - " ... is it ok to insult Catholics , Christians and Muslims like that ? ..." My answer - No , ONLY Mormons . I remember once , in a work conversation among some rougher but DECENT types , where a person in the group was being castigated for his faith because he was "Christian" . Being a devout Christian _myself_ I added factual basis in science , history and Scripture where appropriate , and where my Christian friend was often overwhelmed . THEN when asked about _MY_ faith , and sharing that I was LDS , the ENTIRE _ROOM_ turned on *me* _including_ my "Christian" friend who I had for the best part of an HOUR been supporting in his defense of _his_ faith ! So- No , Its OK to castigate MORMONS - its NOT ok to insult the "Religions" FAVORED by The World - as was TRUE in the days of Jesus Christ !.
We should make sure to separate personal attacks on members of the church and genuine criticism of the church as an organization. Someone pointing out how the Book of Mormon is not historical, the history of polygamy is authoritative, sexist, and harmful to women and girls, that racism in the church was taught by prophets and apostles, or the current discrimination against LGBT folks is not the same as someone who just says “F*ck the Mormons”. Also, as a former member, the term “Mormon” is not derogatory. Seeing as the church itself promoted the “I am a Mormon” campaign as well as the “Meet the Mormons” movie.
Originally the term “Mormons” was a word used as a type of slang from those who persecuted the saints in the early stages of the Church’s foundation. It was a term that was meant to be derogatory and as a mockery to those who practiced in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The members adopted the nickname as a way to use it against the persecutors. The name has always been and always will be The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. It has been encouraged in the past that members separate themselves from calling themselves “Mormons” for that is not who we worship and that is not the name of our Church. The members developed a bad habit of adopting a name that was never ours to take claim of. We are not followers of Mormon. We are followers in Christ.
I'm an ex-mormon (left a year ago). The members are leaving in droves, because their religious leaders lie to them, and there is a lot of toxic and harmful teachings within the church. They also lie about the number of members they have, they count the non active members (who haven't gone to church in many years) and they count people like me who have left, but haven't removed their name from church records (one day I will). The reason the church has been all over the place, is because those who have left are talking more. We are talking about the abuse and manipulation that happens in the church. We are exposing the real face of the church.
I’m sorry you feel that way. The church has always been transparent and consistent about how they count members. It’s not a conspiracy or attempt to inflate. I’m so grateful for my membership. It’s teachings bring me joy and peace, not toxicity. I find the world’s teachings and the results of them to be toxic.
Lie about what? There have been books sold in Church-owned Deseret Book for decades on every single topic you're having a problem with. Most of the people I encounter feel lied to because the first place they heard about these things was the internet instead as from the mouths of the prophets and apostles and parents. I'm so glad we don't use Sundays and General Conference to talk about all the "controversy" because we'd never talk about Christ. if Christ talked about all the controversy surrounding Him in His day, we wouldn't have the New Testament. He ignored it and taught what He came to teach.
Hmmm…probably because early Mormon prophets (including Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Wilford Woodruff, Lorenzo Snow) married teenage girls several decades younger than them🤷. Joseph Smith at 37 married Helen Mar Kimball at 14. Brigham Young (or Bring’em Young) at 42 married Clarissa Decker at 15. Lorenzo Snow at 57 married Sarah Minnie Jensen at 15. Wilford Woodruff at 46 married Emma Smoot Smith at 15. The U.S. average age of marriage from 1850-1880 was 27 for men and 23 for women.
@@thelatterdayarbiter Question: Do you think 14 and 15 year old girls are women? And do you think they are able to give consent to religious authority figures in their lives who are in their 40s and 50s?
@@thomaschoate976 even the sealer asks the bride if she desires the marriage of HER own free will and choice. Besides, most people in the West can't even define what a female is these days, but nice try tho. 🤣
@Thomas Choate That’s just not a fair assessment. Don’t you know Helen Mar Kimball was not 14. She married Joseph “several months before her 15th birthday” she was 14 and 1/2 or 174 months old sounds mature. Cmon get you facts straight 😉
@@frandanco6289 That is a logical fallacy called the Strawman Argument. When one person can’t refute a point, they refute a weaker argument which was never made. Perhaps you are confusing me with someone who said one should believe everything you read on the internet. I understand you’re backed into a corner of inconvenient facts. I hope you can find some peace and the truth.
For the record: I am LDS. I am a Mormon. And I can never nor would I ever want to be anything else. I like myself. I don't give a rip what anyone else thinks or believes of me, (not even other LDS). I love my Heavenly Father and His son Jesus Christ, the Holy Ghost, my family and my friends; and although it would be desirable if they did: I still do not give a rip if others do not love me in return.
A billion dollar organization being more offended by a nickname, but refusing to apologize for telling Native Americans lies about their heritage, and the more righteous they become the whiter their skin will become.
Seeing things like this shows just how we as human beings are (be it a member of the church or not). I’m a member of the church and I love it. Some people love it, some don’t care for it, some hate it, some respect it, etc. Thing is, everyone has their own unique experiences with it and can base their opinion of it. I feel sad to see people saying “f*** the Mormons” but there’s nothing we can do about it except allow people to feel that way towards the church, and defend what we believe; vise-versa for people who differ in beliefs. I believe in a world of peace of coexisting with belief differences. I don’t think it’s possible however, I want to be the first that makes a step towards that direction. Hopefully, it’ll spread to those around me or at least they can feel peace in being themselves while with me and we both don’t have to sacrifice our beliefs for the sake of coexistence. Instead, we sacrifice our pride for the sake of peace and love.
Thank you for sharing your words with the world and your testimony. I know Satan's church does not want to hear the Lord's commandment he give to all of us, love one another as I have loved you. We are our Brother's Keeper.
Thank you for standing up for the church! As I am also a member it makes me sad that someone would post this but I will share the gospel to as many people as I can.
I think the poll is a bit absurd. Lots of people who don't understand something think they do. I would venture to guess there's a much higher percentage of people who don't actually understand the LDS church,but believe they do, or intentionally hold on to their incorrect beliefs or bigoted views of it, claiming they understand it. That's just obvious.
The church welcome positive criticism even negative criticism ......it helps the church to grow and be strong in the faith in Jesus Christ, the church and its leadership.
Maybe it's the silence and lack of reply that puts people off. I'm in the UK and had LDS missionaries contact me twice. Both times I asked about unfulfilled prophecies of Joseph Smith. They say they've never heard about them before and they'll find answers and get back to me.... then ghost me. 😒
I've noticed that since the BOM musical and Romney losing, around 2013-2014 there has been a real shift in the attitude and culture toward the church. There has been a real movement lately towards attacking the church and it's members. I think that it just sells.
As followers of the Lord Jesus Christ, we should know that the world will never accept us. Turn the cheek as our Saviour taught, keep the peace and keep walking with the Lord Jesus Christ.
Sooo, If we are All Gods “ Children” Why does Jesus say that the Pharisee Father is the Devil and the father of lies?? Why does the Scriptures say We must be “ Adopted” into Gods family?
That doesnt apply for the mormon church then. Even the own bible talks about it "6. I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel- 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!" Galatians 1:6-9
@@Shekhinah74 No, he was not an definitely not an active member. What would he be doing in a bar? His dad identified as one but it doesn’t mean he is. I dare to say otherwise, what are you going to do about it?
Thank you! Right here with LoriVallow- JoshPowell- TedBundy- StephenPowell- ChadDaybell- JodiAuris so many more including notorius Huntsmans! Just found 6 babies in Megan Huntsmans garage !
Maybe interview some people who have left the church and learn the facts of why. It might answer the anger towards the church. People don’t know what they don’t know. The members need to be sure what they believe in especially in these crazy days. Study the history and time lines of the happenings of the days the church was created. You might find some rabbit holes you can’t get out of.
99% of those who leave the Church do so because of sin. The reality is that they fail to study, pray, keep the commandments and strive to improve. It doesn't work for them and they choose to blame the Church to save face. It's really that simple.
@@bodyer2120 What a crock…..they found out about all the lies they have been fed since Joe started his con job…just like Emma when she found out about his many flings on the side, including 14 year olds….🤢
@@pattykake7195 You are a sensationalist. You know nothing about the Temple, nor about plural marriage and reasons for such. There are as many things written about Joseph Smith that are not true, as there are about him that are true. All of the 'anti-Mormon' stuff I have read and studied over the years, falls into one of 4 main categories: information that is true but not understood, things taken out of context, half truths and downright lies. The whole 'anti-Mormon' industry started before the Church was even established and still flourishes to this day, with whole sections of Christian bookshops providing a dedicated area for such 'scandal'. You wouldn't get a section for 'anti Protestant or Catholic' books in one of our bookshops. You probably think you are doing the Saviour's work, too.
@@pattykake7195 it's obvious that you are brainwashed and will accept anything said against the Church. I have discovered so much said about the Church that was wrong and I no longer waste my time following up spurious claims. You people never stop and you do injury to those who are new to the Church. You will pay for it some day, however.
Mormon isn't a bad word per se; he was a wonderful guy and we owe him a tremendous amount for his role in bringing the Book of Mormon to us. But the name of the church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. And to omit the name of Jesus Christ from our name is, I believe, the real, main problem. Just as Jesus Christ is at the center of our name, Jesus Christ is at the center of everything we believe and strive to do as a church, and the nickname just ignores/hides all of that. Actually, our prophet President Nelson has recently let us know that enough is enough and it's time to assert the name of the Church again so emphasis is on Christ where it belongs.
Mormon is the person that compiled records & though the book has his name in the title, its mostly not about him. I suppose the book could have been called "The Book of Joseph Smith".
A BOM prophet, named Mormon, ABRIDGED The MANY records over hundreds of years, and compiled the book...I am grateful 🙏 to be a Member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints...We were "nicknamed" Mormons because of the name of our Book of Mormon, by anti-LDS mobs in the 1800's...who were making fun of the book of scripture ... and sadly, the nickname stuck, even with MEMBERS! Until our prophet, Pres. Russell M. Nelson got us all THINKING AGAIN!! ❤️ MORMON, though a wonderful prophet in the BOM, did not die for our sins...Our Saviour, Jesus Christ, DID! WE are members of HIS church! 💕
You know, I brought this all up with my president yesterday and this is the best answer I've heard since I've become aware of the church's struggles. Be a peacemaker, live the example, be the face of the church.
Do you even know why Joseph was placed in liberty jail? Because he destroyed a printing press publishing the truth of his polygamy. Which he lied and denied to members. He had 30+ wives.
@@Unavesmas1990 also don't care. Go do something more constructive than trying to convert random LDS members in RUclips comment sections. How pathetic.
This is one of the sillier reports we'll see about Mism. "Mormons being Paranoid" is a more appropriate title. For one thing, when is it acceptable for a small Western American sect to tell editors all over the world they must spell out TCOJCOLDS (nine words-- too long for this post!) instead of the Mormons' own, self-given, title of 175 years? It's arrogant, egotistical, and inconsiderate not to mention unrealistic. When you measure by cult characteristics, TCOJCOLDSism is 75% cult. 75% of LDS drop out of the faith, most mildly damaged by it, many severely. The remaining 25% become not more Christian but more and more rarefied, with increasingly pharisaic, weird little customs, rules and ostracisms.
Most Mormons find ways to live in bubbles where they know zero of their church's issues and therefore have no rebuttals or insight to the issues questioning people present. It is very culty. To want complete praise and zero rational thinking about a church's history is cultish. I'm sorry, but Rachel you need to practice critical thinking and informed consent.
I left the Church over a year ago after 40+ years of faithful belief. I respect Patrick Mason a great deal and have taken his views on Church History seriously. I am thankful for him and his willingness to engage with people such as I on the tough subjects that surround the Church and it's history. To answer the question about why it is more acceptable to go after the Church than other sects of religion, I would argue it is simply because of truth and authority claims.
@Celica: Lost and Found Why is it that people who leave the Church and speak about things like Church History never tell you what it is about Church History they don't like. I have found that when someone tells me something negative... I have had an answer for them, however they often tell me "Well now its too late. I already left." Oh well. We can mention truth and authority claims... but no one ever explains how it is applicable to my faith. I am somehow just suppose to accept what they say.
@@MrNirom1 I very surprised that no one has ever told you what "they didn't like" about Church history. For me that is not the total issue. The issue is Church lies and Obfuscation of it's history. I could spend hours upon hours explaining that to you but this is not the forum for that. You are sure welcome to send me an email if you are willing to listen.
Bet I could guess what you speak of. Sounds like you studied yourself. Glad to hear it, truly. Too many people are easily brainwashed. Stay strong in the Lord, not man.
The Book of Mormon contradicts itself all throughout it's pages. I do wonder how many Mormons have truly done a deep dive on their beliefs and it's origins.
ive deep dived! i studied the book of mormon and prayed to know if it was real. The experience i had during that prayer was otherworldly and unforgettable. i will not take any of man’s word over my spiritual experiences ever.
@@michelleellingson8130 Back in 1953, at age 25, I had a confirmation of the truthfullness of The Gospel I wish everybody could have. In the years, since, my testimony has become unshakable. I'm now 95, more than ready to go.
As someone heavily indoctrinated into the church i have to say, the church has the reputation it has for a reason, neighbors, young kids I'd never met, adults... So many people talked about me behind my back and my family's back when I left the church, I've never met any religious group with more judgmental people
It's all rainbows and sunshine in the happy Mormon families until you leave. Then you're literally worse than the worst people to walk the planet... those people will supposedly go to some level of heaven while you're in for eternal damnation in outer darkness.
To be honest, according to the parable of Jesus, there are still wheat and tares in the Church. The tares will continue until the 2nd coming of our Lord. But I testify that this Church is true and is in perfect organization, while its members are not perfect. If the members of the Church have committed a sin, they should repent lest they will inherit the terrestrial kingdom.
Poll at the end is interesting. Church culture isn’t the church doctrine. Also, I’m currently living outside of Utah and there are many people who don’t even know about the church. In the Book of Mormon belt (Utah, Arizona and Idaho… and generally the west coast) there is a lot more pushback towards the church than outside it.
The poll found that something like 56% of the people in Utah think that the church is unfairly persecuted. Consider however that roughly 60% of the people in Utah identify as being Mormon. That means that it's plausible that 90% of the Mormons feel like they're being persecuted, which honestly is nothing new. They've felt like that since the 1830s. Sometimes it was true, and other times they were facilitating crime (3 counterfeiting operations in Nauvoo) or doing other illegal activities (such as polygamy) which informed the ill treatment which they received at the hand of government and some of their neighbors. In Missouri at least the Saints were also guilty of harassing their neighbors at times, something which Sunday school lessons generally overlook.
@B H lots of things. Even some members don’t even like living where the church membership is great. But a lot of it is that members of the church like to stick together and that can make others feel left out. But this similar to many religions and cultures. Where I live there are a lot of Russians and I have heard comments from non-Russians complaining about them. Usually because they had a few bad experiences and therefore don’t like Russians. Also, if people leave the church they can sometimes leave with a vengeance and that never goes well. Instead of leaving the highly populated member area they stay and be angry towards the church. Idk. There is just so many layers to it. But ultimately comes down to human nature.
Warren Jeffs is the leader of an apostate LDS group which still practices polygamy. The others are previous presidents of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
5:13 Deflecting the legitimate worrying documents because AP still says Mormon? Should we negate all articles about a serious offense because of them "mislabeling" those who are LDS? Could have done better with that pivot.
You're talking about basic human nature, and the reality that there will always be some people who don't follow what they've been taught. That's applicable to human beings in general, it's not a "mormon" thing! You'll never find a sermon that's been preached in church teaching anybody to be that way!
@@wa1den Elitism is part of Mormonism and goes from top-down. In real Christian churches that aren't modeled the same way Mormon elitists do it, there is some of this behavior, but significantly less.
@@davidwallgren7575 Read "Letter To My Wife" and "CES Letters" "No Man Knows My History" Then come back to me and disprove all those books. And your welcome.
@@lindapabst3421 our missionaries usually don't harass people and condemn them. They lovingly offer to teach you about Jesus Christ and how you can be saved if you have faith in him and keep his commandments. If anyone doesn't want to hear us, we simply move on to someone else who will. If you're basing your opinion off of one bad experience, you're being close-minded.
@@christianjohnson5379 Like they way they have aggressively and repeatededly rung my doorbell at 9 PM, then loudly knocking when I don't answer? Like that? I almost called the cops.
LDS culture has always been under attack, in Oregon when my father joined the church in 1961 he had family member say they would never speak to him again and had men that he had done business with for years say they would never do business with him again and they didn’t, I had a fifth grade teacher treat me like a piece of gum on her shoe never once a kind word or smile going from an A student to barely passing she told my parents I was incapable of learning, LDS have always been under attack.
When the mormon church stops attacking non-mormons, maybe people will stop paying attention to them. The mormon church terrorises people they don't like in areas they control. They contract their dirty work out to the covens of witches and satan worshipers in the area because MORMONS PRACTICE WITCHCRAFT
It’s expected!!! This means church is growing and thriving and people are starting to feel threatened! Just like they felt threatened back in the early days! However no reason. However this means we are getting closer the the saviors return !
It's not growing. Their wallets and assets might be growing and but people are waking up to the false religion. I hope you do to and find Jesus (not the Mormon Jesus)
"Why?" Really? If you have to ask why you're likely a member of the church. Talk to people who aren't LDS... whole different perspective 🤔 I've been treated differently/badly by church members simply because I'm not LDS. Very sad.
@@cathyearl8999 why would anyone want to go to the cults "service" as a former member I can and will tell you its well disguised sham designed to control its members by spreading lies, misinformation and Indoctrinating children whos minds are still developing. Tell me im wrong with facts
Some of that is probably perceived. If Im LDS and go to say Boston or A heavily catholic area Im sure I would feel a bit out of place. But is that my perception or is it really the case.
@cathy earl This comment says it all! @ I welcome anyone to go to a service with me.” You’re proving the point of how Mormons treat others. You accept them as long as they go to church.
When I lived in SLC, I was at Albertsons and put coffee yogurt in my cart. A woman walked by and shook her finger at me and said SHAME ON YOU. And that ain’t all! Every kind of criticism and discrimination even in housing. Just try being a non-mo in SLC and talk to me about tolerance and kindness.
You get that lot of that especially with their children going up to others saying that’s bad. What’s bad & sometimes I’m ashamed to call them my Brothers a Sisters. Is that they don’t teach their Children free agency & otheres can do what they want without being ridiculed. We are told to not judge but I’m being honest that some members in my ward are so judgmental & it’s sad. They even judge me telling others I’m this evil person & to stay away from me. I’ve made an honest mistake & paid my debts. We are to forgive others not hate them. The whole Church shouldn’t be condemned but the members who think they’re better than anyone else. It’s people like that that gives the Church a bad wrap.
@@smileysun9212 Kids dont know any better. So they cant understand. They just know something is bad. But parents do need to teach others are different. Its easier to teach that in families outside of Utah. When you are in Utah its harder because many are the same but not everyone. Yeah some people judge too much. It happens
@@DancingQueenie - Please keep in mind that this woman is only expressing Her sad opinion, and is certainly Not what was ever taught in any Scripture... People who do what she did are just wrong in this behavior... Sorry this had to happen to you...
Wow try being a Non Mormon growing up in Utah. Talk about Bigotry, prejudiced and judgment directed at a person. Different perspective here. I have always been a target of the mormons. Glad to see it being directed back to them. Mormon example is to judge and hate.
No it is not however I do feel sorry and outraged on your behalf simply because if any member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints behaves like how you described then they are misrepresenting the church and are not following its teachings
@@firstLast-gb9kr It is a historical fact that Mormons denied black people the priesthood until 1978. Also, the reason as to why black people were treated this way was given by Mormon prophets and apostles. Read the First Presidency statement to Lowry Nelson. Or Brigham Young’s teaching that black people were cursed with a flat nose and black skin and that’s why they couldn’t hold the priesthood. These are historical verified claims not propaganda.
How can the church be offended for being called “Mormons” when very very recently the church invested millions with the “meet the Mormons” campaign! Like literally there was an official movie. The whole name thing was something that Nelson had been wanting to do for many many years, to the point that he was even rebuke indirectly by Hinckley in public
We're not offended to be called mormons. It's just that we (the church leadership) specifically asked the media to refer to us by our full name "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". By refusing to do so, they show purposeful contempt and disrespect for our church as an organization. It would be somewhat similar to refusing to call Facebook (the parent company) "Meta". They announced that new name, so if the media refused to call them by that it would be blatently disrespectful. The LDS church has not changed its name, but we did ask that our full name be used instead of the long-used nickname "Mormon".
I don't know if I would use the word offended, but we just want people to use our actual name so that some of the misconceptions about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints would be lessened.
There are other religions that believe in the Book of Mormon and are, therefore, referred to as “Mormons”. Calling the Church by its official name decreases confusion. President Nelson is a precise communicator. He doesn’t like confusion (which is understandable since he was a heart surgeon).
This is old news & “the Church” has been attacked for centuries It all started in Heaven & we have a choice who we will follow. Do you believe the Preacher on the street corner shouting or do you believe in Christ?
I was born, raised, blessed and Baptized LDS. I still love the church and its members, particularly my immediate family. But here is the thing, I have been doing a lot of soul searching and a lot of research. And it is my belief that a lot of the animosity toward the LDS church, specifically from other churches, is actually an act of retaliation. Because it is in fact the LDS church that accused all of them of belonging to "bad churches" in the first place, and the LDS members hold to that accusation as truth. Not a very Christ like disposition, from either side of the coin. Pride is of the devil.
@bees - this view may be too narrow. The church is quite liberal at working with Jews, Muslims, Catholics... I would estimate more than any other church organizationn. I understand that the claims to a 'true church' can bring ire from all those outside that claimed church, but despite that I don't see the arrogance that others claim exists.
@@sadiehatch9465 Yes, there has been a coming together that is really beautiful. I know it will continue too. But frankly I have learned that in many ways "My" views about things regarding the Bible have been wrong, and members of other churches have shown me true things. On that I can only speak for myself.
It would be helpful if the World Council of Churches would recognize our church as a Christian denomination. But they think The Book of Mormon is blasphemy, so I doubt that will ever happen.
....never gonna happen! Here and there you get an individual who is actually sane enough to recognize that we are christian, but to expect that group to give us any such recognition is a bit ingenuous.... just isn't likely to happen
The more the work of the Lord progresses in these trying times, the more opposition there will be against us. There is an opposition in all things. I am a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and I have seen this happen
Every religion claims to do the work of the Lord while advancing bigotry and authoritarianism. Thankfully religion is on the decline. Just check out Europe, for example.
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I have a bit of a story to tell that happened to me being a member of the LDS faith. I live in North Carolina now, but it hasn't always been where I lived. I converted to the LDS faith back in 1973. But working now in NC, which has a Baptist base, I rarely get a negative reaction from my neighbors. Except once. I was taking care of a child who was comatose. The parents were Baptist. They mentioned how their church helped them. I never said anything negative concerning their religion but said I that's why love my faith because of how we help others, and in the discussion, I told them I was LDS. The next day, my supervisor called me to let me know the family requested that I don't return. I had taken care of the child for over a year. So I went to talk to my supervisor and was told that they accused me of practicing witchcraft in their home. I was flabbergasted, to say the least. About six months later I ran into the mother of that child in a store, and she apologized profusely about what happened and I told her, I had forgiven her and her family back when I was let go. We both cried and hugged. It turned out her child had passed and she wanted me to attend the funeral service. I told her I would be honored to be there. To this day I know the mother was under alot of stress, and I wasn't surprised at her initial reaction. She loved her child and wanted the best for that child. And I know that many people have negative feelings towards the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I love the church, its people, the leaders, and the Gospel. They strengthen and guide me through these troubling times.
Did Joseph really find a feather when he was being paid to find sunken buried treasure? I'm asking seriously
Thank you for sharing your story 😊
I have a story about Brigham Young. Brigham Young stole Zina Diantha Huntington, a wife and mother, from her husband and children. He knocked her up and had a baby with her, destroying the family. Zina was tricked into adultery, she was a married woman with children, who Brigham tricked into sleeping with her. Not to mention Brigham Young marrying 15 year old Clarissa Decker and sleeping with her. Don't get me started on Joseph Smith. May I kindly recomend The CES Letter, The Mormon church's gospel topic essays, Grant Palmer's 'Insider's View to Mormon Origins.," or 'Letter for my Wife'. Trust me, Linda, when I say Mormons know nothing of their founders and their religion.
Amen!
Save your stories for fast and testimony meetings, Linda 🤨
Concerning the poll at the end, I'm a member of the church and I have to say that there is definitely a difference between the Utah church culture and the Latter Day Saint culture outside of it.
I would have to agree with that statement about Utah Mormons and those outside of the state. Kind of like living next to Romney who tells you how spiritual and righteous he is all of the time vs living next to John Stockton (I know he is not a member) who is simply a quiet but friendly neighbor.
Maybe slightly on the surface, but not deep down.
VERY understandable, it's the SAME with all such groups, the further away in belief, control, direction from the original you get such
100% outside is different, I’m from outside…
Did Joseph Smith really find a feather when he was being paid to find sunken buried treasure? I am asking you seriously.
Wouldn't it be nice if we lived in a world where people gave the benefit of the doubt? Asking people what they believe and trusting they mean it, rather than telling people what they believe makes a lot more sense to me.
The Problem is most Mormon's don't know any of their own history, and are believing their religion without informed consent and under false pretenses.
Churches have websites. It is not hard to find out what people believe.
If you belong to a religion then people will assume you believe what they preach.
And you know what they preach???. Mostly what non believers know about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints are misconceptions. What is portrayed on TV specials is absolute garbage.
You are so correct! Asking objectors to a faith instead of asking those of Faith what they believe is a ridiculous way to try to find any real facts!
Genuine question: When was the last time you observed a religious individual portrayed in a respectable, dignified way on TV, in movies, books, & the like?
All the time! What kind of movies and media are you consuming?
I can’t think of one in recent mainstream media. There are plenty in non-mainstream.
Art imitates life I guess🤷🏻♀️
Why would anyone with a delusion deserve it?
The Dalai Lama
I’ve been watching Hello Saints on RUclips. A Protestant pastor has been putting out videos of him learning about the LDS faith. His most recent one is of him attending LDS conference in Salt Lake City last weekend. He’s kind, respectful and genuinely curious even if he doesn’t agree. Very refreshing.
I've seen many of his videos. He is respectful, but at the same time very passively trying to convert people away from the church. He should focus on his own congregation.
@@jenchristy5867 So should the Mormons….stop sending your door to door salespeople telling others their religion is wrong….😤
@@pattykake7195 true enough. But I have no control over that. I only had control over myself as a missionary, and I hated door to door with a passion. I never told anyone their religion was wrong. I only invited them to learn about ours, mostly for the fact there are a lot of lies and misconceptions spread about our beliefs. Honestly, I just wish all Christians can get along. We all love Jesus don't we? There is enough wickedness in the world that we should be focusing our fight on -and not on each other. That is why I believe that pastor should focus on his own congregation. We need to be strengthened in Christ for what is to come in the days ahead.
@@jenchristy5867 With respect…do the salespeople mention the rock in a hat translation of the BOM ….or Joe marrying 14 year olds and other mens wives behind Emma’s back…I think not…🤫
@@pattykake7195 I would please ask you to have a little respect their Latter-Day Saint missionaries not door to door salesman. I grew up in a completely different religion before I converted to the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints and when I decided to be baptized I heard from my family who is of a completely different religion that's what they wish as well as the pastor of that denomination said that's what they think their religion should do send out missionaries to talk about the gospel that's what they are doing they're going to people's doors and want to teach them about the Gospel of Jesus Christ want to teach you about the church. Now it is a free country you do not have to listen and you do not have to like it but I have every right to say because it is a free country that you are being extremely disrespectful.
I am Catholic who knows no LDS members, but as someone who general pays attention to politics, especially pop politics (i.e. tv/film), I have too noticed the rising trend of targeting the Mormon faith. From that ex-Mormon documentary to that Hulu min-series, and the most recent BYU controversies relating to race there's probably some sort of active demonization on the part of the tv/film industry and more left leaning students. Frankly, being critical of Mormonism is the trend. Today Mormonism tomorrow who knows what religion will be pointed and sneered at.
Isn't the better self identification "Christian who is of the Catholic faith?" Catholics would id the LDS organization as quasi-Christian.
Nonsense . It’s just that people are finally asking the hard questions about Mormonism publicly that should’ve been asked all along
Because LDS is a cult!
@@DA-wx9oz Every. Single. Religion.
Yeah, Scientology had a critical documentary about it. All the cults have documentaries exposing their trash beliefs. So what? Deserves to be criticized since it’s a brainwashing cult that lies to its members
I’m a catholic and I love my LDS peeps
You never had the Mormon Church put you on one of their gang stalking black lists. Once they put you on one of their lists that they admit they have, all the witches and satan worshipers will stalk you in your city, along with the Mormons.
Love you too homie 🤜🤛
There's nothing wrong with being a Catholic or a Protestant.
@B H you're exactly right, that's what the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints do all the time. Even though the people believe in different things, the way I see it there not up to speed yet, just give others a little while they will catch up. This is why I love the Lord's Church, you have to allow others to catch up when they're ready. That's where the Holy Ghost comes in to teach the things you seek.
Thank you! Right back atcha! ❤️
I'm 75 and have been a member since age 16. I'm from Virginia and moved to Utah 4 years ago to be close to family. This is nothing new. There are just more Latter-day Saints in Utah.
Hopefully that demographic is changing; used to be you couldn't get a job even as a medical doctor in Utah without the special
undershirt. closed bunch of smug, under-educated folks.
It’s actually been decreasing immensely since the creation of the internet. There is independent data on this. You can see how Mormonism, and even other religions, doesn’t hold up to scrutiny and many people are leaving.
Ahem. You should be saying "members of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." Otherwise it's a win for Satan
@@thelostone6981 The lies of mormoncorp are being exposed big time by the internet…👏🏾👏🏾
"There are just more Latter-day Saints in Utah"
And many Latter-day AINTS ;-)
@5:13 "While the AP obtained thousands of documents and brought to light a terrible abuse, there was one glaring error, the name of the church itself" This is the most amazing part of this report, as if calling us Mormons is a bigger deal then covering up child abuse. And let's all remember that is was only 8 years ago that the church produced the movie "Meet the MORMONS"! and did the whole I'm a MORMON campaign.
This report is pathetic. Portraying the Church as the victim.
No mention whatsoever of WHY the Church is criticized.
I was also shocked by this too. I noticed they didn't show the clip when Nelson said the use of "Mormon" is a win for Satan... because they know how absurd it would sound to non-members.
Yes, Jesus only just realised the using the word Mormon is a victory for
Satan…..🤣😈🤣
@@pattykake7195 🤡there you are!
I agree, this was a very one sided report... And I am a member.
Why, yes. Satan has been trying to slander Christ for years. It should be no surprise he’s doing the same now. His time is short tho as well as the wicked who follow him.
Do not ever call the Mormon church Christ, that is the true slander.
attacking Christ’s church is satan’s way of attacking Christ
Criticizing a church and its leadership is not the same as attacking Christ.
@@alexs3187 yes it is. Because they are doing His work and His commands
@@zionmama150 well, conflating men with Christ would be blasphemous at best
The Lord's church has always been under scrutiny and persecution we expect it to get worse as time goes by.
AMEN, BUT THE QUESTION IS...DO YOU THINK THE LDS CHURCH IS THE LORD'S CHURCH?
The trouble is that this isn’t unique to Mormonism. Many religions and cults have been under scrutiny and persecution. However, that doesn’t mean that those religions and cults are true. Also, these religions and cults will often take any criticism or questioning of their religion as persecution and develop a “persecution complex” to vindicate to themselves and other members in the in group that they are being persecuted because their group is right and true.
But why do they need the great big building so close together. Buildings that have 300$ a foot carpet?
Brigham Young stole, Zina Diantha Huntington, a wife and mother from her own family. He impregnated her, had a baby with her, and destroyed the active-Mormon family. Brigham, using his position, tricked the young woman into adultery.
@@darrellandsondraholden9457 yes just too keep it simple the name of the church should say it all The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
Really? With all the ways the church slaughtered their response to the AP article, what you choose to focus on is the AP using "mormon" in the article? That is the current problem......the church not recognizing and owning up to the harm they have done and instead focusing on the misuse of a term and feeling victimized.
Prosecution is the churches most powerful tool,if they point the congregation at an “attacker” the church made up they won’t want to criticize the church
I see what you're saying 💯%. I haven't been active for 30yrs. For a multitude of reasons but 1 of them is very similar to what you're saying. Honestly it comes down to the individuals that made these choice's to violate and abuse. No one else, not the church but the person/s that did it.
Oh and btw I'm not religious at all.
It's unjust and narrow minded for people to demonize group's of people or religion's. That is a major issue in the World today, frankly it always has been Honestly but has become much worse in the age of social media.
I'm not saying that's what you did at all with your comment and again understand where you're coming from.
Nailed it.
But... but... their prophet said "abuse is bad" isn't that enough??? /s
What HAS the church as a whole done in recent years?
If the world hates you, remember they hated me first. - some guy
I am not a member of the LDS church, however; I have no issued with the church or it’s members! Leave them be…
Amen. This church is insane when you start getting into the long history of abuse and lies.
So a few bad apples and the whole barrel is rotten, I think not… narrow mindedness gets you nowhere…
The LDS Church has been persecuted from its beginning. That’s how they arrived in Utah. I wish the report gave it some historical context instead of listing recent TV shows as evidence.
Stop it with this persecution narrative - the Mormons were chased out of towns back east because they would come in, take over the government, impose their will on non-mormons, and generally tick everyone off. They were a disruptive cult that refused to play by the rules - but you only hear the "oh poor us, persecuted for our faith" nonsense in history classes in Utah. They weren't persecuted for their faith, they were held accountable for their actions.
They’re not giving historical context to the native Americans who were killed off during that move
How cool was the LDS church towards Black people? Super great? Or not so much?
Thought so.
Bank fraud and evading the law on polygamy tends to be unpopular and get you prosecuted. Not the same as persecuted.
@@tabithalayton2001 For the most part the LDS church shared food and shelter with the early Indians. My relatives were some of the first to settle in Utah.
When you don't correct a lie, people think it must be true. It's important to correct lies about the church. It doesn't have to be done EVERY time (e.g. sometimes there's no one there who will listen anyway) and it shouldn't be done in a contentious way, but if we don't correct it who will? People won't know the truth if they don't hear the truth.
And when you're being made a scapegoat in those lies. Jesus was not a doormat.
As an honest investigator, the book of mormon has had several changes since 1830. Spelling, punctual, names changed, and paragraphs removed. Is that a lie? Are you willing to correct it?
@@Bullybob77
WROTE:
" As an honest investigator, the book of mormon has had several changes since 1830. Spelling, punctual, names changed, and paragraphs removed. Is that a lie? Are you willing to correct it? "
All of Mormonism is a lie. Joseph Smith wrote himself into the King James bible and called it the JST, Joseph Smith Translation. He wrote prophesies about himself that he could fulfill.
@@rickdavis2235 well yes, that is what investigation leads to if you use lds church approved material. so either the church is lying or the church is a sham, either way, the church isnt true
The problem is that often what is deemed a lie today can become a truth tomorrow,, especially in the world of Mormonism. Example: Years ago critics of the LDS Church charged that JS used a peep stone in a hat to supposedly produce the BOM. The outcry was that the charge was anti Mormon lies. Now the church has admitted the story is true in its CES essays, even showing pictures of the actual peep stone. Now I hear Mormons saying they never said it was a lie in the first place. The changing world of Mormonism.
Notice the church of Jesus Christ gets attacked the most?
Makes me see there must be some truth and Satan keeps attacking
Well, the Jehovah Witness Organization gets a pretty bad rap too.
I just want to say. It’s easier to be lds in Utah than not. I’ve felt discriminated because I choose not to go to church. It’s hard to find friends. Maybe I am not being attacked but I am being isolated.
You should not be forced. Force is what the devil wants. You don't have to go to church
@@user-anonymous95 well, I don’t believe there’s such thing as devil, in my opinion it’s people making bad decisions. I’ve felt forced to go to church I didn’t go but it felt like people were forcing me. One time I agreed to make a poster for a church event because I like art, I was told to drop it off on Sunday morning at the church so I walked over there with my toddler in the stroller. I saw someone I knew right outside the entrance I gave him the poster to take it inside. He started pushing the stroller with my daughter inside the church building while trying to tell me I should really join them for church. I said I wasn’t coming and then the door closed behind him. He was waiting for me to go in but I told him I wasn’t going to. It made me quite mad that he would use the child to make me come in. He brought her back out after a while and tried to laugh about it. I didn’t think it was funny at all. Since then they’ve pretended they don’t see me when we run into each other
@@janaweser1986 that’s wrong. That is an awful representation of the church. Some people are too forceful… that’s especially why we’ve started teaching “worry about yourself unless you’re on a mission”
@@user-anonymous95 it is wrong but no one got it on camera so it didn’t happen
@@janaweser1986 well still, people in any church should not force anyone to join. Jesus didn’t condemn, why do they condemn? What I’m trying to say is, it’s your choice, let it be your choice
Imagine being more offended about a nickname than the long-term abuse of children... Even if the Bisbee case were the only one it's extremely egregious. Where is the flood of faithful members and leaders wanting to make sure it never happens again?!
How do you know their hasn't been a flood of concerned faithful members? Have you some information that the rest of us has no awareness of? S ome international poll of our 16 million members or a representative sampling? As for the name of the church it denotes our belief that it is led and founded by Christ. Allowing a nickname to be used detracts from our mission. This has been an ongoing effort for the last ten years. The name "Mormon" was originally used as a slur by people who drove LDS people out of their state because of growing political clout and our opposition to slavery. With all the talk about personal pronouns I would think you would be more tolerant. You make a false assumption that we care more about our nickname than the safety of our membership. You are using fallacies to push your agenda and it shows. As a former scout master we were always to practice "2 deep leadership" meaning that no leader was ever alone with any scout, another must always be present. That has been the case for 20 years. As a ministering brother I am never to enter the home of a single woman without a second being present. That has been the case for my 67 years in the church.
There is a great deal being done to prevent abuse! All of us need to be part of the solution and be more involved.
@@Fred-mp1vf so long as the church has leaders call church lawyers instead of reporting to authorities there is not enough being done.
The church is doing a lot, including having two teachers in each children's class and keeping doors open when children are being interviewed for callings. It is taken very seriously.
@@joycechampion3124 I'll say it again: For as long as the church has bishops calling church lawyers about abuse they are not doing enough. Until the church begins to do the morally correct thing rather than the legal minimum they are not doing enough.
I also would not call what the church does do "a lot." Two deep leadership, open doors, and a 15 minute training are the bare minimum and hardly comprehensive.
As a member we do not expect everyone to join the church. If they say no that is fine, let them worship who and what ever they wish. If you want to know more about the church and believe what we believe we will be happy to tell you, however that does not mean you have to believe it. Just let us know and we will go.
The lds churches believes they are the only true church and if you are not a Mormon then you won’t be saved by any means! That’s not what Jesus said in the Bible! JS was a liar. Continue living the lie!
sad though so many members get upset at mainstream christians because they try teaching their message to members
sad also members say things
"let "them" worship who and what "they" will"
Nepotism
The mormon wars
Bishops meaning watchers Fallin Elohim.
That is complete bs lol I grew up in the church
I think a lot of churches are under attack. It’s too bad that others feel it necessary to knockdown something they don’t know enough about. Religion is essential to our soul. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has done so many wonderful things to help others and try to walk in Christ’s footsteps. Religions are beautiful and provide tools to get through life. 😉💛😇
Its petty even bringing it up! Reminds me of high school. Don't talk about a Catholic or Presbyterian who might have held up a drugstore. LOL
Done beautiful things you mean brainwash people and use your money for projects that help no one but their coffers! religion is primitive superstition but the LDS is in the same league of scientology's lunacy! and don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about I was a member of the cult for 18 wasted years! Cheers From Salt Lake City!
But why do they need the great big building so close together. Buildings that have 300$ a foot carpet?
@@manderson4803 Because people actually use the buildings for services and activities. If there are many buildings where you live, there must be many members in your area.
I think in relation to what the church owns, what they give is actually not that much. I'd like to see how they come up with their numbers. Truth is that we have no idea how the church, for example, came up with giving 900M over the past year. Are they counting the volunteer hours and giving a dollar amount to that? If they do, that isn't the church giving, that is the individual. (I guess those people could subtract that from their tithes and offering...) There is just no transparency in what these "wonderful" things are. Why doesn't the church open a soup kitchen or a woman's shelter? Digging wells, and making Days For Girls pads, are wonderful, but it is still people doing the work and donating the supplies, not the church. Exact transparency would be great.
We’ve been under attack almost from the beginning. I joined the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints back in 1962, when I was 11yrs.and some kids and teachers at my school immediately started giving me a hard time about it. I would answer any questions they had and then let it go. Some people will be nice and some people will be rude. That’s just the way it works. 😊
The prophecy said “No unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing.”
I'm a member from Australia, there's not a lot of hate compared to the USA... idk why American's are so rude to so many religions, just mind your own business...
@@changan2942 that’s America for ya
The biggest threat to the LDS church is the LDS church.
@@changan2942 LDS sending out thousands of missionaries is minding your own business?
@@ricsimmons2003 yeah? if u don't like the church, ignore it and mind your own business
The most persecution I’ve ever felt has been from people I attend church with!
And the horrendous shunning ex Mormons receive when they find out the church is a fraud who conned them, and then resign…..😠
Liar
"The most persecution I’ve ever felt has been from people I attend church with!"
It would be difficult to be persecuted by people you do not encounter. Consequently, the likely persecutor of a Catholic will be another Catholic, and so on; name the church.
@@thomasmaughan4798 you're a liar
You're telling me. The most vitriolic hate I ever received around the time of Prop 8 in California were from supposedly "active" members who would tear up signs and just be terrible people in general
There will always be detractors of any large group, or high-profile personality. As that grows, so will the detractors. For me, if I want to know something about a people or person I just go and ask them. Media is hype, just like the topic for this feed is probably clickbait. It's the internet. If you search for something to validate your opinion -- you'll find it.
The LDS church kept copious records of seemingly everything everyone ever said or did. The vile and obscene blasphemies spoken by church leaders should shock and appall you.
No need for the internet, hearsay or gossip.
That's why there is only one way to find truth and that is to ask our Lord Jesus Christ with real intent if it is nonsense or is it the truth! Anyone can say anything and call it truth or something else. Even if you ask someone, where do I find truth, they can point you the way. And it's up to your educational skills to find it. You still don't know if it is true until you ask the Lord. Is that too hard for some people to do, I think yes. The Lord has promised this great promise if we will ask we will receive truth and you will know it by the burning in your heart and in your mind if it is true, if not, Houston we have a problem.😒
Yes, we pray to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ.
@@amandadangerfieldpiano The thief on the cross prayed to Jesus. Stephen prayed to Jesus. Acts 7
If you can't pray to Christ, then you have the wrong Christ. A Christ that cannot save you.
@@amandadangerfieldpiano that's exactly what you should be doing. I do the same thing as far as I know every Christian pray to the father and close in the name of Jesus Christ, you're doing it right.
I will never get the people who feel they are justified in mocking or attacking others. What have the Mormons done to people outside of the religion that is horrible? The answer is nothing. The Church of Jesus Christ serves and helps others no matter race, religion, or politics. The attacking of Mormons is based on ignorance. The more crazy this world becomes the more I cling to the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I could write an entire book about the harm they have done to the world.
The Book of Mormon teaches that I attend the church of the devil.
What about poor families being told to pay tithing above all else? Especially when the church has a ginormous hedge fund with probably around 200 billion now since the article was released? With 6% dividends per year…you do the math.
You are not clinging to the gospel of Jesus Christ by believing in false doctrines and extra books.
@@philbrooks5979 I'll bet it's all from the past or false accusations
Mormons are some of the very best people and don't deserve this judgemental, self-righteous bigotry from people who probably don't know any Mormons.
Let people live!
Not true, I grew up in Utah and I know a lot of Mormons. When we first moved to Utah in the early nineties, all our neighbors welcomed us into the neighborhood. When they found out we weren't interested in going to the LDS church, none of them talk to us again. It even went to the point of the neighbors telling their kids not to play with us kids.
The creation of an irrational and false persecution complex serves the interests of cults, to keep members in line. This is a common cult tactic.
Yes! Study the BITE model, people! LDS church ticks the boxes.
We aren’t a cult, we did nothing to be labeled as such, we don’t create “false persecution”it’s a genuine problem that we can’t do anything about other than be the better person
@@The_worst_alchamists
CES Letter.
As a non-Utah Mormon, I had major culture shock when I moved to Provo/Orem to attend BYU. It boggled my mind how most members treated those who were outsiders, either because they were not LDS or they were from the “mission field” like me. Without realizing it, and without really wanting to be judgmental because the church gives us all of these criteria to stay on the covenant path, members have all of these outward clues to judge if others are worthy or not. They have always felt victimized and the martyr as well, making them feel like they are above those who are calling them out on their own negative behavior. I could not wait to move out of Utah, even though it is a beautiful place. The culture is toxic. 2 years ago, after being a member for 50 yrs, I realized it was the church that was toxic.
Thank you for realizing the faults here. Really. It helps me greatly to know at least some people recognize how horrible Utah Mormons can be to those outside the culture.
'ding' 👍🏻
I really don't miss having to constantly hear about Mormons vs Non-Mormons. Glad I left Utah.
I can't wait to get out
I’m leaving to get away from it!
Lol wait til you find out about the original religion and how they feel about the people that aren’t apart of the tribe. The worlds bigger than Mormons hahahaha
Buh-Bye!
So, what is this versus stuff?
6:20 You can't work your way into Heaven. No Christian believes this.
That’s not what he meant by ticking all the boxes. Works doesn’t produce faith but faith should produce works. As you walk in faith it should change you. So tired of other faiths misunderstanding this particular belief of our church.
@@randimillington1422
We understanding quite well, that it is not Christian by any means.
Im an ex-mormon I left at age 23 and was since birth a mormon . I will say that it was so traumatic and I have unresolved trauma from being a part of that cult. I struggled for years after I left and still do. You can tell it’s a cult because of the way others react when you leave.. it’s the same as when you’re in… the bullying… the shaming… etc.
Really? Then, wouldn't you know it's "Mormon", as in the name of the prophet-historian who compiled the Book of Mormon, not "Morman"... which isn't even a valid word?
@@Quagthistle you are NOT Going to attack me for what I’ve been through and my testimony of leaving. That’s what you’re NOT going to do. People like you is why people don’t leave.. the attacks. It doesn’t matter how I spell it. It doesn’t change what happened!
@@Quagthistle i was born into it and left in my 20s. You are not going to attack victims . Not while I’m here.
Glad you left :)
@@Hbush1987 If it doesn't matter how you spell it, then why did you change it? You would have had a better chance of remaining LDS had you possessed a modicum of intelligence. It's best you refrain from giving anybody advice.
I would hope people respect others as human beings first, regardless of faith they grew up in. But if you choose to portray the negative stereotypes associated with any brand, be it a team, employer, church, culture, then that is respected differently. The issue seems to come from the disparity between inherent culture and elective brand. Every culture seems to come with one but important to not confuse the two in terms of treatment. If one is playing attitudes from the brand, then it's a brand reaction and it shouldn't be disrespect towards the culture. It's really just treating people as individuals, defaulting respect and not assuming too much by their cultural identity. By the same token, you might also get favorable treatment for playing the positive aspects, depending on the values shared.
The church should not be Ridiculed as it is. The church does wonderful things for the entire world.
Do they ACTUALLY expect us to forget that a decade or so ago they FLOODED RUclips with those ‘I’m a Mormon’ ads? Now it’s a slur?… please. Which Article of Faith did the church violate with their SCC fines for Ensign Peak? Asking for a friend…
SEC
It’s not just contained to Mormons. Modern American culture is very anti-religion. Unless that religion can be fetishized and used to push certain goals.
Not that long ago I was told “LDS “ was offense. “Mormon is the preferred name” I was told. Now it’s the opposite. I’m confused.
A few years ago they didn't want us to use either, but to use the whole name; Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. It didn't take long before folks went back to LDS, which is what it's been mostly referred to my 65 years on earth.
@@beachbuddies57 here in the states the church already has its fingers in everything lol
They don’t want to use the word “Mormon” because internet searches will pop up too many uncomfortable facts
@@leahcarson1822 including overthrowing America's Gov w treason.
@@grantbeck9228 it's not an accurate portrayal of who we worship but rather a nickname given by enemies. The "m-word" if you will.
The culture isn't being attacked, the multi billion dollar organization is. Sure, those college kids shouldn't have said that. College kids say dumb things sometimes, especially at football games. But everything else was perfectly in line. The church has a lot of dirt on it and shedding some light on it isn't an attack. It's truth.
Facts 💯💯💯
So does the whole Christian church. Some of the things done throughout the last 2000 years is bad enough.
The point is the church isn't the bad guy here it's people who have done bad things. For the most part the majority are just trying to live Christ like lives and serve the Lord Jesus Christ.
Actually much of the so called shedding light is done by people who don’t know what they are fully talking about.
Every other religion does too.
They purposely get the "facts" wrong, casting a tainted light by design and taking things out of context to get better ratings due to the shock factor. It's not truth at all. It's historical fiction.
often bad news and false reporting end up being better than no reporting at all. The honest in heart usually search out the truth first hand.
False reporting? So like... The entirety of the bible?
They read the Word and obey John 3:16.
Maxwell_Edison don't read between the lines.
@@sabreatchley2801 Who are you writing that to?
@@maxwell_edison Insofar as the oriinal material was translated incorrectly.
It’s called the [insert religion here] Persecution Complex. It’s more that the belief doesn’t hold up to scrutiny and people would rather defend a flawed epistemology than let go of a bad or unfounded belief. So in one way, yes, Mormonism is under attack. BUT it’s because it fails at sooooooo many ways. But don’t fret Mormons, so are most religions. People are waking up to irrational beliefs.
Amen 🙏
And what exactly is “rational” in your mind? I’m genuinely interested in what you consider to be the “rational” alternative?
THIS. THIS. THIS.
@@chapmanchapsYou know, not being a deluded nut and thinking that the various invisible magic beings and characters from a Middle Eastern book of myths and fables are real, that's a pretty rational alternative 👍
What's the correct epistemology?
One problem I see that the LDS church has always been targeted so why don’t everyone give us a break,like I have always said ‘before you cast the first stone make sure your closet has nothing in it’.
Every so called "persecution" the Mormon church has undergone has been for legitimate reasons. The bank in Kirkland Ohio, the land & livestock purchasing with worthless Kirkland bank notes in Missouri, the Gestapo techniques of destruction of the printing press in Illinois etcetera, & on & on. The Mormons always tell only their side if the story which is tainted by the absence of the truth!!!
Rather unfortunately, the Mormon closet has a lot of skeletons in it. No faith is perfect, but their doctrine contains so many twisted nooks and crannies that I would really stay away.
LDS was invented recently... persecuted complex aspirations take centuries to cultivate.... Maybe try Buddhism
Just wanted to add that the FLDS Church mentioned in the newscast is not part of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints which Joseph Smith established.
Cut from the same beginnings, belief and practice though
The only reason FLDS do polygamy is because the early Mormon prophets were doing it Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, etc. The FLDS is pretty much just the 19th century Mormon church in modern times. I don’t see how you can condemn someone like Warren Jeffs who married teenage girls and not condemn the early Mormon prophets who married teenage girls (Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Lorenzo Snow, Wilford Woodruff, etc.)
@B H So said the dirt to the temple.
@thomaschoate976 standards between now and then are vastly different. We really need to stop looking back in history with a modern lens.
LDS Church is a beacon for truth, Satan doesn't like it.
And SO will _attack_ it at EVERY opportunity, with help from those he can persuade to his CONTENTIOUSNESS , whether they _realize_ what they're *doing* or not .
Asked below - " ... is it ok to insult Catholics , Christians and Muslims like that ? ..."
My answer -
No , ONLY Mormons .
I remember once , in a work conversation among some rougher but DECENT types , where a person in the group was being castigated for his faith because he was "Christian" .
Being a devout Christian _myself_ I added factual basis in science , history and Scripture where appropriate , and where my Christian friend was often overwhelmed .
THEN when asked about _MY_ faith , and sharing that I was LDS , the ENTIRE _ROOM_ turned on *me* _including_ my "Christian" friend who I had for the best part of an HOUR been supporting in his defense of _his_ faith !
So-
No , Its OK to castigate MORMONS - its NOT ok to insult the "Religions" FAVORED by The World -
as was TRUE in the days of Jesus Christ !.
LDS and truth have nothing to do with each other.
Satan loves your church. He started it. He maintains it and you preach it in the season of the coyote survive
Mormon Jesus is NOT the same as Bible Jesus. Mormon Jesus does not save. Repent, read the Bible, and by grace you’ll be saved, not by works)
We should make sure to separate personal attacks on members of the church and genuine criticism of the church as an organization. Someone pointing out how the Book of Mormon is not historical, the history of polygamy is authoritative, sexist, and harmful to women and girls, that racism in the church was taught by prophets and apostles, or the current discrimination against LGBT folks is not the same as someone who just says “F*ck the Mormons”. Also, as a former member, the term “Mormon” is not derogatory. Seeing as the church itself promoted the “I am a Mormon” campaign as well as the “Meet the Mormons” movie.
would you be interested in coming back if they instituted polygamy. I am finding most lds in early days raving polygamists. Hyrum,Joe,Taylor,Richards
YESSS 100%
Originally the term “Mormons” was a word used as a type of slang from those who persecuted the saints in the early stages of the Church’s foundation. It was a term that was meant to be derogatory and as a mockery to those who practiced in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The members adopted the nickname as a way to use it against the persecutors. The name has always been and always will be The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. It has been encouraged in the past that members separate themselves from calling themselves “Mormons” for that is not who we worship and that is not the name of our Church. The members developed a bad habit of adopting a name that was never ours to take claim of. We are not followers of Mormon. We are followers in Christ.
@@keida197 what exactly is persecution?
@@anthonyanderson7311 referring to the word itself or how it is being used?
If you aren't under attack, you aren't following the Savior.
I'm an ex-mormon (left a year ago). The members are leaving in droves, because their religious leaders lie to them, and there is a lot of toxic and harmful teachings within the church. They also lie about the number of members they have, they count the non active members (who haven't gone to church in many years) and they count people like me who have left, but haven't removed their name from church records (one day I will). The reason the church has been all over the place, is because those who have left are talking more. We are talking about the abuse and manipulation that happens in the church. We are exposing the real face of the church.
I’m sorry you feel that way. I have never felt lied to.
I hope you do
come back 😊
@@cecigrey3900 If you were to read your Bible, you would know that you have been lied to.
I’m sorry you feel that way. The church has always been transparent and consistent about how they count members. It’s not a conspiracy or attempt to inflate. I’m so grateful for my membership. It’s teachings bring me joy and peace, not toxicity. I find the world’s teachings and the results of them to be toxic.
@@brianblack7116 Why do they teach the first lie of Satan - "Ye c shall be as gods," if they are so honest and transparent?
Lie about what? There have been books sold in Church-owned Deseret Book for decades on every single topic you're having a problem with. Most of the people I encounter feel lied to because the first place they heard about these things was the internet instead as from the mouths of the prophets and apostles and parents. I'm so glad we don't use Sundays and General Conference to talk about all the "controversy" because we'd never talk about Christ. if Christ talked about all the controversy surrounding Him in His day, we wouldn't have the New Testament. He ignored it and taught what He came to teach.
Homosexual polyamorous marriages are accepted, yet polygamy is hated these days. Why is that? 🤣 WABOL
Hmmm…probably because early Mormon prophets (including Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Wilford Woodruff, Lorenzo Snow) married teenage girls several decades younger than them🤷. Joseph Smith at 37 married Helen Mar Kimball at 14. Brigham Young (or Bring’em Young) at 42 married Clarissa Decker at 15. Lorenzo Snow at 57 married Sarah Minnie Jensen at 15. Wilford Woodruff at 46 married Emma Smoot Smith at 15. The U.S. average age of marriage from 1850-1880 was 27 for men and 23 for women.
@@thomaschoate976 have you even considered those women's perspectives as well as the concept for their consent?
@@thelatterdayarbiter Question: Do you think 14 and 15 year old girls are women? And do you think they are able to give consent to religious authority figures in their lives who are in their 40s and 50s?
@@thomaschoate976 even the sealer asks the bride if she desires the marriage of HER own free will and choice. Besides, most people in the West can't even define what a female is these days, but nice try tho. 🤣
@Thomas Choate
That’s just not a fair assessment. Don’t you know Helen Mar Kimball was not 14. She married Joseph “several months before her 15th birthday” she was 14 and 1/2 or 174 months old sounds mature. Cmon get you facts straight 😉
The main issue the LDS group faces is the internet revealing the truth and history of the group.
True. The main impediment to their growth is Google.
@@jeffs4483 Yep!. Scientology is facing the same extensional threat.
And "hate people" who make videos exposing them.😂 I really like Zelf On The Shelf!!
cybercab --- So do You Believe Everything You Read on the internet????? Wow....
@@frandanco6289 That is a logical fallacy called the Strawman Argument. When one person can’t refute a point, they refute a weaker argument which was never made. Perhaps you are confusing me with someone who said one should believe everything you read on the internet. I understand you’re backed into a corner of inconvenient facts. I hope you can find some peace and the truth.
The attackers now being attacked? How apropos.
For the record: I am LDS. I am a Mormon. And I can never nor would I ever want to be anything else.
I like myself. I don't give a rip what anyone else thinks or believes of me, (not even other LDS).
I love my Heavenly Father and His son Jesus Christ, the Holy Ghost, my family and my friends; and although it would be desirable if they did: I still do not give a rip if others do not love me in return.
A billion dollar organization being more offended by a nickname, but refusing to apologize for telling Native Americans lies about their heritage, and the more righteous they become the whiter their skin will become.
Well that was a straw man-and-a-half
Seeing things like this shows just how we as human beings are (be it a member of the church or not). I’m a member of the church and I love it. Some people love it, some don’t care for it, some hate it, some respect it, etc. Thing is, everyone has their own unique experiences with it and can base their opinion of it. I feel sad to see people saying “f*** the Mormons” but there’s nothing we can do about it except allow people to feel that way towards the church, and defend what we believe; vise-versa for people who differ in beliefs.
I believe in a world of peace of coexisting with belief differences. I don’t think it’s possible however, I want to be the first that makes a step towards that direction. Hopefully, it’ll spread to those around me or at least they can feel peace in being themselves while with me and we both don’t have to sacrifice our beliefs for the sake of coexistence. Instead, we sacrifice our pride for the sake of peace and love.
I converted three years ago and refuse to live any other way
💯
Thank you for sharing your words with the world and your testimony. I know Satan's church does not want to hear the Lord's commandment he give to all of us, love one another as I have loved you. We are our Brother's Keeper.
Amen ❤
Thank you for standing up for the church! As I am also a member it makes me sad that someone would post this but I will share the gospel to as many people as I can.
Mormon will always be used
And people will always take The Lord's name in vain.
And people will always be free to be jerks to each other, or respectful to each other, if they choose.
I think the poll is a bit absurd. Lots of people who don't understand something think they do. I would venture to guess there's a much higher percentage of people who don't actually understand the LDS church,but believe they do, or intentionally hold on to their incorrect beliefs or bigoted views of it, claiming they understand it. That's just obvious.
Mormonism was founded by a freemason, an indesputible fact - not a bigoted view.
The church welcome positive criticism even negative criticism ......it helps the church to grow and be strong in the faith in Jesus Christ, the church and its leadership.
On the other hand, when you know you're right you can do like the third wave in Lehi's dream and, "Heed them not."
You should say that to Dalling H. Oaks or any other high rank leader. I don’t think they will agree with you 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Maybe it's the silence and lack of reply that puts people off. I'm in the UK and had LDS missionaries contact me twice. Both times I asked about unfulfilled prophecies of Joseph Smith. They say they've never heard about them before and they'll find answers and get back to me.... then ghost me. 😒
Which unfulfilled prophecy?
I've noticed that since the BOM musical and Romney losing, around 2013-2014 there has been a real shift in the attitude and culture toward the church. There has been a real movement lately towards attacking the church and it's members. I think that it just sells.
As followers of the Lord Jesus Christ, we should know that the world will never accept us. Turn the cheek as our Saviour taught, keep the peace and keep walking with the Lord Jesus Christ.
Under attack? More like under scrutiny and exposure.
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WE ARE ALL GODS CHILDREN!!
Until judgment day
@@limerind7493 best comment!! You couldn't have said it any better!!
That’s not what Jesus said
And your brother is Lucifer 🤦♀️ also False
Sooo, If we are All Gods “ Children” Why does Jesus say that the Pharisee Father is the Devil and the father of lies?? Why does the Scriptures say We must be “ Adopted” into Gods family?
The true church will always be persecuted. Prophecy being fulfilled ❤
That doesnt apply for the mormon church then. Even the own bible talks about it "6. I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel- 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!" Galatians 1:6-9
I love the LDS church and the gospel.
Anderson Lee Aldrich comes from this church and a lot of other serial killers. Wonder what they realy teach?
Anderson Aldrich was not a member.
@@Mega-Tim YES HE IS! AND DON'T YOU DARE SAY OTHERWISE!
@@Shekhinah74 No, he was not an definitely not an active member. What would he be doing in a bar? His dad identified as one but it doesn’t mean he is. I dare to say otherwise, what are you going to do about it?
Thank you! Right here with LoriVallow- JoshPowell- TedBundy- StephenPowell- ChadDaybell- JodiAuris so many more including notorius Huntsmans! Just found 6 babies in Megan Huntsmans garage !
You don't know much about serial killers. And what we teach is online. Get educated, or go mind your business.
Maybe interview some people who have left the church and learn the facts of why. It might answer the anger towards the church. People don’t know what they don’t know. The members need to be sure what they believe in especially in these crazy days. Study the history and time lines of the happenings of the days the church was created. You might find some rabbit holes you can’t get out of.
99% of those who leave the Church do so because of sin. The reality is that they fail to study, pray, keep the commandments and strive to improve. It doesn't work for them and they choose to blame the Church to save face. It's really that simple.
I just couldn't stomach the bigotry against LGBTQ anymore and I had to leave.
@@bodyer2120 What a crock…..they found out about all the lies they have been fed since Joe started his con job…just like Emma when she found out about his many flings on the side, including 14 year olds….🤢
@@pattykake7195 You are a sensationalist. You know nothing about the Temple, nor about plural marriage and reasons for such. There are as many things written about Joseph Smith that are not true, as there are about him that are true.
All of the 'anti-Mormon' stuff I have read and studied over the years, falls into one of 4 main categories: information that is true but not understood, things taken out of context, half truths and downright lies. The whole 'anti-Mormon' industry started before the Church was even established and still flourishes to this day, with whole sections of Christian bookshops providing a dedicated area for such 'scandal'. You wouldn't get a section for 'anti Protestant or Catholic' books in one of our bookshops. You probably think you are doing the Saviour's work, too.
@@pattykake7195 it's obvious that you are brainwashed and will accept anything said against the Church. I have discovered so much said about the Church that was wrong and I no longer waste my time following up spurious claims. You people never stop and you do injury to those who are new to the Church. You will pay for it some day, however.
Ces letter
Christ himself was crucified let people hate they do it in a state of ignorance.
"Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do" Luke 23:34
It is blasphemy to say that Christ is a created being the brother of Satan. Why do you persecute Christ?
Confused if Mormon is a bad word , why it is called Book of Mormon ?
Mormon is a person and a nickname... it would be equal to calling someone from Islam... Mohammad... oh they must all be Mohammad ( ignorant )
Mormon isn't a bad word per se; he was a wonderful guy and we owe him a tremendous amount for his role in bringing the Book of Mormon to us.
But the name of the church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. And to omit the name of Jesus Christ from our name is, I believe, the real, main problem. Just as Jesus Christ is at the center of our name, Jesus Christ is at the center of everything we believe and strive to do as a church, and the nickname just ignores/hides all of that.
Actually, our prophet President Nelson has recently let us know that enough is enough and it's time to assert the name of the Church again so emphasis is on Christ where it belongs.
Mormon is the person that compiled records & though the book has his name in the title, its mostly not about him. I suppose the book could have been called "The Book of Joseph Smith".
@@matthewsmith2996 Or matthew smith huh? not really
A BOM prophet, named Mormon, ABRIDGED The MANY records over hundreds of years, and compiled the book...I am grateful 🙏 to be a Member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints...We were "nicknamed" Mormons because of the name of our Book of Mormon, by anti-LDS mobs in the 1800's...who were making fun of the book of scripture ... and sadly, the nickname stuck, even with MEMBERS! Until our prophet, Pres. Russell M. Nelson got us all THINKING AGAIN!! ❤️
MORMON, though a wonderful prophet in the BOM, did not die for our sins...Our Saviour, Jesus Christ, DID! WE are members of HIS church! 💕
You know, I brought this all up with my president yesterday and this is the best answer I've heard since I've become aware of the church's struggles.
Be a peacemaker, live the example, be the face of the church.
joey and his polygamist clan in carthage jail used pistols a blazing peacemaking lol
@@jonnyhilljackson5788idk who that is or what event you are referring to, but maybe its high time we pick up the gun again rather than the ballot.
Joseph Smith was arrested 42 times. Is that peace making?
Do you even know why Joseph was placed in liberty jail? Because he destroyed a printing press publishing the truth of his polygamy. Which he lied and denied to members. He had 30+ wives.
@@Unavesmas1990 also don't care. Go do something more constructive than trying to convert random LDS members in RUclips comment sections.
How pathetic.
This is one of the sillier reports we'll see about Mism. "Mormons being Paranoid" is a more appropriate title. For one thing, when is it acceptable for a small Western American sect to tell editors all over the world they must spell out TCOJCOLDS (nine words-- too long for this post!) instead of the Mormons' own, self-given, title of 175 years? It's arrogant, egotistical, and inconsiderate not to mention unrealistic. When you measure by cult characteristics, TCOJCOLDSism is 75% cult. 75% of LDS drop out of the faith, most mildly damaged by it, many severely. The remaining 25% become not more Christian but more and more rarefied, with increasingly pharisaic, weird little customs, rules and ostracisms.
Because there is a negative influence in the world that has always been. Thank you, LDS church, we love you, Jesus Christ, and the Mormons!
The church literally has a whole “I am a Mormon” campaign and the videos are still on the church channel
Yes …they should stop giving Satan a leg up….🤣
@@jberndt88 Show me your sources Scooter!
Wow.....this is the 1st time I've seen any report or articlefrom media that wasn't attacking the LDS or "Utah Mormon Culture". Wow refreshing!!!
Most Mormons find ways to live in bubbles where they know zero of their church's issues and therefore have no rebuttals or insight to the issues questioning people present. It is very culty. To want complete praise and zero rational thinking about a church's history is cultish. I'm sorry, but Rachel you need to practice critical thinking and informed consent.
I left the Church over a year ago after 40+ years of faithful belief. I respect Patrick Mason a great deal and have taken his views on Church History seriously. I am thankful for him and his willingness to engage with people such as I on the tough subjects that surround the Church and it's history. To answer the question about why it is more acceptable to go after the Church than other sects of religion, I would argue it is simply because of truth and authority claims.
@Celica: Lost and Found Why is it that people who leave the Church and speak about things like Church History never tell you what it is about Church History they don't like. I have found that when someone tells me something negative... I have had an answer for them, however they often tell me "Well now its too late. I already left." Oh well. We can mention truth and authority claims... but no one ever explains how it is applicable to my faith. I am somehow just suppose to accept what they say.
@@MrNirom1 I very surprised that no one has ever told you what "they didn't like" about Church history. For me that is not the total issue. The issue is Church lies and Obfuscation of it's history. I could spend hours upon hours explaining that to you but this is not the forum for that. You are sure welcome to send me an email if you are willing to listen.
Do other churches not make claims of truth and authority?
@@dtmelanson There is only one other religion that I know of that makes the same claim they have direct Priesthood Authority.
Bet I could guess what you speak of. Sounds like you studied yourself. Glad to hear it, truly. Too many people are easily brainwashed. Stay strong in the Lord, not man.
Try watching Australia 60 minutes. THE FLEECING OF MORMONS.
"The 2 most unbelievable religions...scientology and Mormons"
The Book of Mormon contradicts itself all throughout it's pages. I do wonder how many Mormons have truly done a deep dive on their beliefs and it's origins.
ive deep dived! i studied the book of mormon and prayed to know if it was real. The experience i had during that prayer was otherworldly and unforgettable. i will not take any of man’s word over my spiritual experiences ever.
@@michelleellingson8130 the devil himself can act as an angel light .... be very careful my friend.
@@michelleellingson8130 Back in 1953, at age 25, I had a confirmation of the truthfullness of The Gospel I wish everybody could have. In the years, since, my testimony has become unshakable. I'm now 95, more than ready to go.
@@susanbernier9399 Did you know there is a way to discern between the two?
As someone heavily indoctrinated into the church i have to say, the church has the reputation it has for a reason, neighbors, young kids I'd never met, adults... So many people talked about me behind my back and my family's back when I left the church, I've never met any religious group with more judgmental people
Facts
Same
It's all rainbows and sunshine in the happy Mormon families until you leave. Then you're literally worse than the worst people to walk the planet... those people will supposedly go to some level of heaven while you're in for eternal damnation in outer darkness.
To be honest, according to the parable of Jesus, there are still wheat and tares in the Church. The tares will continue until the 2nd coming of our Lord. But I testify that this Church is true and is in perfect organization, while its members are not perfect. If the members of the Church have committed a sin, they should repent lest they will inherit the terrestrial kingdom.
its because of the religion
Poll at the end is interesting. Church culture isn’t the church doctrine. Also, I’m currently living outside of Utah and there are many people who don’t even know about the church.
In the Book of Mormon belt (Utah, Arizona and Idaho… and generally the west coast) there is a lot more pushback towards the church than outside it.
The poll found that something like 56% of the people in Utah think that the church is unfairly persecuted. Consider however that roughly 60% of the people in Utah identify as being Mormon. That means that it's plausible that 90% of the Mormons feel like they're being persecuted, which honestly is nothing new. They've felt like that since the 1830s. Sometimes it was true, and other times they were facilitating crime (3 counterfeiting operations in Nauvoo) or doing other illegal activities (such as polygamy) which informed the ill treatment which they received at the hand of government and some of their neighbors. In Missouri at least the Saints were also guilty of harassing their neighbors at times, something which Sunday school lessons generally overlook.
@B H lots of things. Even some members don’t even like living where the church membership is great. But a lot of it is that members of the church like to stick together and that can make others feel left out. But this similar to many religions and cultures. Where I live there are a lot of Russians and I have heard comments from non-Russians complaining about them. Usually because they had a few bad experiences and therefore don’t like Russians. Also, if people leave the church they can sometimes leave with a vengeance and that never goes well. Instead of leaving the highly populated member area they stay and be angry towards the church. Idk. There is just so many layers to it. But ultimately comes down to human nature.
what is the difference between warren Jeffs, rules Jeffs, Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Wilford woodruf, snow, Joseph f smith?
Warren Jeffs is the leader of an apostate LDS group which still practices polygamy. The others are previous presidents of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
The Church of Joseph Smith of Latter Day Shakedown.
There’s a reason they make martyrs of people like Joseph. They have the ultimate and final say they write the history
5:13 Deflecting the legitimate worrying documents because AP still says Mormon? Should we negate all articles about a serious offense because of them "mislabeling" those who are LDS? Could have done better with that pivot.
The LDS social culture definitely needs some teasing. Too inclusive. There’s a lot of passive aggressive snobbery among members
You're talking about basic human nature, and the reality that there will always be some people who don't follow what they've been taught. That's applicable to human beings in general, it's not a "mormon" thing! You'll never find a sermon that's been preached in church teaching anybody to be that way!
@@wa1den Elitism is part of Mormonism and goes from top-down. In real Christian churches that aren't modeled the same way Mormon elitists do it, there is some of this behavior, but significantly less.
The church and members refuse to address their history. It's all online. But the prophet and apostles never address the elephant in the room.
Exactly…they try to keep the elephant securely out of sight….spoiler alert…it’s not working…🤭
@Superpowervoice the history proves the church is a GIANT fraud. Enjoy your fantasyland eternal life
@Superpowervoice who is WE? Every Mormon I talk to knows nothing about their lds history.
@@TheTidoman Have you tried talking to someone who DOES? What do YOU know about Mormon history?
@@davidwallgren7575 Read "Letter To My Wife" and "CES Letters"
"No Man Knows My History"
Then come back to me and disprove all those books.
And your welcome.
Forget the fake media, lets attack the LDS. We are proud of being LDS. If you don't like, leave us alone.
Like the way mormons leave everyone else alone? *ahem* missionaries
@@lindapabst3421 our missionaries usually don't harass people and condemn them. They lovingly offer to teach you about Jesus Christ and how you can be saved if you have faith in him and keep his commandments. If anyone doesn't want to hear us, we simply move on to someone else who will. If you're basing your opinion off of one bad experience, you're being close-minded.
@@christianjohnson5379 Like they way they have aggressively and repeatededly rung my doorbell at 9 PM, then loudly knocking when I don't answer? Like that? I almost called the cops.
Hypocrite, you write that as thousands of missionaries are knocking on people’s doors and clearly not leaving people alone.
Stop coming to our doors then most know lds is phoney anyway
LDS culture has always been under attack, in Oregon when my father joined the church in 1961 he had family member say they would never speak to him again and had men that he had done business with for years say they would never do business with him again and they didn’t, I had a fifth grade teacher treat me like a piece of gum on her shoe never once a kind word or smile going from an A student to barely passing she told my parents I was incapable of learning, LDS have always been under attack.
Isn't polygamy it illegal in America?
Right here in UTAH / IDAHO Yep ! I come from a family of them & its a fkn mess!!!
it was leagal till us govenment passed alaw agaist it to keeo utah from becomming a state thats history fact
and lord removed polygamy because no longer wanted the church to live under a curse it begains its in the book mormon
@@rickyodom1201still is for over 100 years.
It’s been under attack since the restoration.
Ever since Smith invented it.
When the mormon church stops attacking non-mormons, maybe people will stop paying attention to them. The mormon church terrorises people they don't like in areas they control. They contract their dirty work out to the covens of witches and satan worshipers in the area because MORMONS PRACTICE WITCHCRAFT
@B H you were there and witnessed this? Or you believe everything you read by the evil designs of men.
@B H please don’t worry about me. And keep believing everything you read about history.
It’s expected!!! This means church is growing and thriving and people are starting to feel threatened! Just like they felt threatened back in the early days! However no reason. However this means we are getting closer the the saviors return
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It's a cult. Wake up.
It's not growing. Their wallets and assets might be growing and but people are waking up to the false religion. I hope you do to and find Jesus (not the Mormon Jesus)
@@jeffs4483 Not a cult
@@ShruteFarms001 There's only ONE Jesus
@@davidwallgren7575
Yes it is. Look up BITE cult methodology. LDS is very high on that list.
Yes, the Lord’s Church has been under attack since the early morning of Joseph’s first vision.
Criticism comes when religious leaders do not behave or practice Christ-like behaviors.
Really? Is that why Christ and his apostles were criticized, persecuted, and murdered?
"Why?" Really? If you have to ask why you're likely a member of the church. Talk to people who aren't LDS... whole different perspective 🤔 I've been treated differently/badly by church members simply because I'm not LDS. Very sad.
I welcome anyone to go to a service with me
I welcome anyone to go to a service with me
@@cathyearl8999 why would anyone want to go to the cults "service" as a former member I can and will tell you its well disguised sham designed to control its members by spreading lies, misinformation and Indoctrinating children whos minds are still developing. Tell me im wrong with facts
Some of that is probably perceived. If Im LDS and go to say Boston or A heavily catholic area Im sure I would feel a bit out of place. But is that my perception or is it really the case.
@cathy earl
This comment says it all! @ I welcome anyone to go to a service with me.” You’re proving the point of how Mormons treat others. You accept them as long as they go to church.
What has happened to tolerance and kindness of someone else's beliefs. It shouldn't matter to anyone else. And what if it happens to be true!!!
When I lived in SLC, I was at Albertsons and put coffee yogurt in my cart. A woman walked by and shook her finger at me and said SHAME ON YOU. And that ain’t all! Every kind of criticism and discrimination even in housing. Just try being a non-mo in SLC and talk to me about tolerance and kindness.
You get that lot of that especially with their children going up to others saying that’s bad. What’s bad & sometimes I’m ashamed to call them my Brothers a Sisters. Is that they don’t teach their Children free agency & otheres can do what they want without being ridiculed. We are told to not judge but I’m being honest that some members in my ward are so judgmental & it’s sad. They even judge me telling others I’m this evil person & to stay away from me. I’ve made an honest mistake & paid my debts. We are to forgive others not hate them. The whole Church shouldn’t be condemned but the members who think they’re better than anyone else. It’s people like that that gives the Church a bad wrap.
@@smileysun9212 Kids dont know any better. So they cant understand. They just know something is bad. But parents do need to teach others are different. Its easier to teach that in families outside of Utah. When you are in Utah its harder because many are the same but not everyone. Yeah some people judge too much. It happens
@@DancingQueenie - Please keep in mind that this woman is only expressing Her sad opinion, and is certainly Not what was ever taught in any Scripture... People who do what she did are just wrong in this behavior... Sorry this had to happen to you...
Wow try being a Non Mormon growing up in Utah. Talk about Bigotry, prejudiced and judgment directed at a person. Different perspective here. I have always been a target of the mormons. Glad to see it being directed back to them. Mormon example is to judge and hate.
No it is not however I do feel sorry and outraged on your behalf simply because if any member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints behaves like how you described then they are misrepresenting the church and are not following its teachings
@@oliverdouglas4065 Pretty sure the teachings included being awful to Black people for a long long time.
@@zammmerjammer don't believe the hate propaganda. Don't decimnate lies.
@@firstLast-gb9kr LOL. Facts are facts. And the bigotry came from the mouths of your very own "prophets."
@@firstLast-gb9kr It is a historical fact that Mormons denied black people the priesthood until 1978. Also, the reason as to why black people were treated this way was given by Mormon prophets and apostles. Read the First Presidency statement to Lowry Nelson. Or Brigham Young’s teaching that black people were cursed with a flat nose and black skin and that’s why they couldn’t hold the priesthood. These are historical verified claims not propaganda.
How can the church be offended for being called “Mormons” when very very recently the church invested millions with the “meet the Mormons” campaign! Like literally there was an official movie. The whole name thing was something that Nelson had been wanting to do for many many years, to the point that he was even rebuke indirectly by Hinckley in public
We're not offended to be called mormons. It's just that we (the church leadership) specifically asked the media to refer to us by our full name "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints". By refusing to do so, they show purposeful contempt and disrespect for our church as an organization. It would be somewhat similar to refusing to call Facebook (the parent company) "Meta". They announced that new name, so if the media refused to call them by that it would be blatently disrespectful. The LDS church has not changed its name, but we did ask that our full name be used instead of the long-used nickname "Mormon".
I don't know if I would use the word offended, but we just want people to use our actual name so that some of the misconceptions about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints would be lessened.
No one is offended by being called Mormon. But the name mornom doesnt focus on or emphasize our belief in Christ
There are other religions that believe in the Book of Mormon and are, therefore, referred to as “Mormons”. Calling the Church by its official name decreases confusion. President Nelson is a precise communicator. He doesn’t like confusion (which is understandable since he was a heart surgeon).
No one said anything about being offended…
This is old news & “the Church” has been attacked for centuries It all started in Heaven & we have a choice who we will follow. Do you believe the Preacher on the street corner shouting or do you believe in Christ?
I was born, raised, blessed and Baptized LDS. I still love the church and its members, particularly my immediate family. But here is the thing, I have been doing a lot of soul searching and a lot of research. And it is my belief that a lot of the animosity toward the LDS church, specifically from other churches, is actually an act of retaliation. Because it is in fact the LDS church that accused all of them of belonging to "bad churches" in the first place, and the LDS members hold to that accusation as truth. Not a very Christ like disposition, from either side of the coin. Pride is of the devil.
Bad churches? Read the articles of faith
@bees - this view may be too narrow. The church is quite liberal at working with Jews, Muslims, Catholics... I would estimate more than any other church organizationn.
I understand that the claims to a 'true church' can bring ire from all those outside that claimed church, but despite that I don't see the arrogance that others claim exists.
Lifelong member here… never heard other churches called “bad”. I’ve always been taught to respect them.
@@lw1959 Have you read "The Great Apostasy"? Mr. Talmage makes the LDS disposition pretty clear regarding other churches.
@@sadiehatch9465 Yes, there has been a coming together that is really beautiful. I know it will continue too. But frankly I have learned that in many ways "My" views about things regarding the Bible have been wrong, and members of other churches have shown me true things. On that I can only speak for myself.
Great piece. As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints I think that was represented very well. I'm glad people have noticed.
Cult of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints*
Sorry, latter day cult members*
No thanks. The families, the kids, the schools are exclusionary to outsiders. If you don’t believe like they do, they will let you know.
Not true at all....
@@christianjohnson5379 Of course it is. Don’t think so? Move to Gilbert, AZ. It’s worse in St. George.
@@christianjohnson5379 The Book of Mormon says that I attend the church of the devil. I Nephi 14:10, 17
Looks like the news people are LDS also.
It would be helpful if the World Council of Churches would recognize our church as a Christian denomination. But they think The Book of Mormon is blasphemy, so I doubt that will ever happen.
....never gonna happen! Here and there you get an individual who is actually sane enough to recognize that we are christian, but to expect that group to give us any such recognition is a bit ingenuous.... just isn't likely to happen
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is perfect. The people are not.
Thank you! The people are imperfect because they are human. The Gospel is perfect in every way
Well versed LD$/RLD$/FLD$ What do ya'all call yourselves next year? LOL
Perfectly Racist and Bigoted.
@rubytuesday1316 your lack of understanding of the fact that those are all different organizations kind of tells me everything I need to know
The more the work of the Lord progresses in these trying times, the more opposition there will be against us. There is an opposition in all things. I am a member of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, and I have seen this happen
Amen.
Every religion claims to do the work of the Lord while advancing bigotry and authoritarianism.
Thankfully religion is on the decline. Just check out Europe, for example.
What work is progressing, exactly?
@@jonbaker476 Keeping people paying praying and obeying….🤑