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Is LDS Church culture under attack?
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2022
- From a recent chant at a BYU away game to several documentaries to various news articles in recent times, there tends to be a lot of negativity surrounding the word "Mormon" these days.
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I have a bit of a story to tell that happened to me being a member of the LDS faith. I live in North Carolina now, but it hasn't always been where I lived. I converted to the LDS faith back in 1973. But working now in NC, which has a Baptist base, I rarely get a negative reaction from my neighbors. Except once. I was taking care of a child who was comatose. The parents were Baptist. They mentioned how their church helped them. I never said anything negative concerning their religion but said I that's why love my faith because of how we help others, and in the discussion, I told them I was LDS. The next day, my supervisor called me to let me know the family requested that I don't return. I had taken care of the child for over a year. So I went to talk to my supervisor and was told that they accused me of practicing witchcraft in their home. I was flabbergasted, to say the least. About six months later I ran into the mother of that child in a store, and she apologized profusely about what happened and I told her, I had forgiven her and her family back when I was let go. We both cried and hugged. It turned out her child had passed and she wanted me to attend the funeral service. I told her I would be honored to be there. To this day I know the mother was under alot of stress, and I wasn't surprised at her initial reaction. She loved her child and wanted the best for that child. And I know that many people have negative feelings towards the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I love the church, its people, the leaders, and the Gospel. They strengthen and guide me through these troubling times.
Did Joseph really find a feather when he was being paid to find sunken buried treasure? I'm asking seriously
Thank you for sharing your story 😊
❤
I have a story about Brigham Young. Brigham Young stole Zina Diantha Huntington, a wife and mother, from her husband and children. He knocked her up and had a baby with her, destroying the family. Zina was tricked into adultery, she was a married woman with children, who Brigham tricked into sleeping with her. Not to mention Brigham Young marrying 15 year old Clarissa Decker and sleeping with her. Don't get me started on Joseph Smith. May I kindly recomend The CES Letter, The Mormon church's gospel topic essays, Grant Palmer's 'Insider's View to Mormon Origins.," or 'Letter for my Wife'. Trust me, Linda, when I say Mormons know nothing of their founders and their religion.
Amen!
Concerning the poll at the end, I'm a member of the church and I have to say that there is definitely a difference between the Utah church culture and the Latter Day Saint culture outside of it.
I would have to agree with that statement about Utah Mormons and those outside of the state. Kind of like living next to Romney who tells you how spiritual and righteous he is all of the time vs living next to John Stockton (I know he is not a member) who is simply a quiet but friendly neighbor.
Maybe slightly on the surface, but not deep down.
VERY understandable, it's the SAME with all such groups, the further away in belief, control, direction from the original you get such
100% outside is different, I’m from outside…
Did Joseph Smith really find a feather when he was being paid to find sunken buried treasure? I am asking you seriously.
I’ve been watching Hello Saints on RUclips. A Protestant pastor has been putting out videos of him learning about the LDS faith. His most recent one is of him attending LDS conference in Salt Lake City last weekend. He’s kind, respectful and genuinely curious even if he doesn’t agree. Very refreshing.
I've seen many of his videos. He is respectful, but at the same time very passively trying to convert people away from the church. He should focus on his own congregation.
@@jenchristy5867 So should the Mormons….stop sending your door to door salespeople telling others their religion is wrong….😤
@@pattykake7195 true enough. But I have no control over that. I only had control over myself as a missionary, and I hated door to door with a passion. I never told anyone their religion was wrong. I only invited them to learn about ours, mostly for the fact there are a lot of lies and misconceptions spread about our beliefs. Honestly, I just wish all Christians can get along. We all love Jesus don't we? There is enough wickedness in the world that we should be focusing our fight on -and not on each other. That is why I believe that pastor should focus on his own congregation. We need to be strengthened in Christ for what is to come in the days ahead.
@@jenchristy5867 With respect…do the salespeople mention the rock in a hat translation of the BOM ….or Joe marrying 14 year olds and other mens wives behind Emma’s back…I think not…🤫
@@pattykake7195 I would please ask you to have a little respect their Latter-Day Saint missionaries not door to door salesman. I grew up in a completely different religion before I converted to the Church of Jesus Christ of latter-day saints and when I decided to be baptized I heard from my family who is of a completely different religion that's what they wish as well as the pastor of that denomination said that's what they think their religion should do send out missionaries to talk about the gospel that's what they are doing they're going to people's doors and want to teach them about the Gospel of Jesus Christ want to teach you about the church. Now it is a free country you do not have to listen and you do not have to like it but I have every right to say because it is a free country that you are being extremely disrespectful.
Wouldn't it be nice if we lived in a world where people gave the benefit of the doubt? Asking people what they believe and trusting they mean it, rather than telling people what they believe makes a lot more sense to me.
The Problem is most Mormon's don't know any of their own history, and are believing their religion without informed consent and under false pretenses.
Churches have websites. It is not hard to find out what people believe.
If you belong to a religion then people will assume you believe what they preach.
And you know what they preach???. Mostly what non believers know about the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints are misconceptions. What is portrayed on TV specials is absolute garbage.
You are so correct! Asking objectors to a faith instead of asking those of Faith what they believe is a ridiculous way to try to find any real facts!
I’m a catholic and I love my LDS peeps
You never had the Mormon Church put you on one of their gang stalking black lists. Once they put you on one of their lists that they admit they have, all the witches and satan worshipers will stalk you in your city, along with the Mormons.
Love you too homie 🤜🤛
There's nothing wrong with being a Catholic or a Protestant.
@B H you're exactly right, that's what the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints do all the time. Even though the people believe in different things, the way I see it there not up to speed yet, just give others a little while they will catch up. This is why I love the Lord's Church, you have to allow others to catch up when they're ready. That's where the Holy Ghost comes in to teach the things you seek.
Thank you! Right back atcha! ❤️
I am Catholic who knows no LDS members, but as someone who general pays attention to politics, especially pop politics (i.e. tv/film), I have too noticed the rising trend of targeting the Mormon faith. From that ex-Mormon documentary to that Hulu min-series, and the most recent BYU controversies relating to race there's probably some sort of active demonization on the part of the tv/film industry and more left leaning students. Frankly, being critical of Mormonism is the trend. Today Mormonism tomorrow who knows what religion will be pointed and sneered at.
Isn't the better self identification "Christian who is of the Catholic faith?" Catholics would id the LDS organization as quasi-Christian.
Nonsense . It’s just that people are finally asking the hard questions about Mormonism publicly that should’ve been asked all along
Because LDS is a cult!
@@DA-wx9oz Every. Single. Religion.
Yeah, Scientology had a critical documentary about it. All the cults have documentaries exposing their trash beliefs. So what? Deserves to be criticized since it’s a brainwashing cult that lies to its members
Genuine question: When was the last time you observed a religious individual portrayed in a respectable, dignified way on TV, in movies, books, & the like?
All the time! What kind of movies and media are you consuming?
I can’t think of one in recent mainstream media. There are plenty in non-mainstream.
Art imitates life I guess🤷🏻♀️
Why would anyone with a delusion deserve it?
The Dalai Lama
Liars, cheats and thieves, all of them
LDS leadership should all be in prison.
Won't happen, they probably pay off people with how rich they are with the 10 percent they get monthly from all the members that follows there leadership
what for? for speaking words you don't agree with? get real mate
Maybe they will keep you company as you learn about the gospel of Jesus Christ: i am sure when they are dead they will be teaching the gospel to you. Hope you accept.
@@iznoir
For crimes against humanity.
@@iznoir ikr exactly
Why, yes. Satan has been trying to slander Christ for years. It should be no surprise he’s doing the same now. His time is short tho as well as the wicked who follow him.
Do not ever call the Mormon church Christ, that is the true slander.
attacking Christ’s church is satan’s way of attacking Christ
Criticizing a church and its leadership is not the same as attacking Christ.
@@alexs3187 yes it is. Because they are doing His work and His commands
@@zionmama150 well, conflating men with Christ would be blasphemous at best
I'm 75 and have been a member since age 16. I'm from Virginia and moved to Utah 4 years ago to be close to family. This is nothing new. There are just more Latter-day Saints in Utah.
Hopefully that demographic is changing; used to be you couldn't get a job even as a medical doctor in Utah without the special
undershirt. closed bunch of smug, under-educated folks.
It’s actually been decreasing immensely since the creation of the internet. There is independent data on this. You can see how Mormonism, and even other religions, doesn’t hold up to scrutiny and many people are leaving.
Ahem. You should be saying "members of the church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints." Otherwise it's a win for Satan
@@thelostone6981 The lies of mormoncorp are being exposed big time by the internet…👏🏾👏🏾
"There are just more Latter-day Saints in Utah"
And many Latter-day AINTS ;-)
I really don't miss having to constantly hear about Mormons vs Non-Mormons. Glad I left Utah.
I can't wait to get out
I’m leaving to get away from it!
Lol wait til you find out about the original religion and how they feel about the people that aren’t apart of the tribe. The worlds bigger than Mormons hahahaha
Buh-Bye!
So, what is this versus stuff?
A billion dollar organization being more offended by a nickname, but refusing to apologize for telling Native Americans lies about their heritage, and the more righteous they become the whiter their skin will become.
The LDS church/members EARN every stereotype given. Instead of claiming persecution, LISTEN to what has been going on--away from the pulpit.
The LDS church has little choice but to turn the other cheek. To address the criticisms publicly would be to lift the rug that all the old dirty doctrines have been swept under.
Playing the victim-card again, I see. Typical of cults.
It’s a cult. Period.
Latter Day Satanism.
The Church of Joseph Smith of Latter Day Shakedown.
There’s a reason they make martyrs of people like Joseph. They have the ultimate and final say they write the history
53% are crazy. The first question I get when I say I'm from Utah is do I got 5 wife's
do I have 5 Wives
@@me21120lol😂
@@timbango2090 Yes. As an Uber driver in Utah, some of my riders figure out what my faith is, and I sometimes get that question.... "So, do you have seven wives???" I just tell them, "....no, I only have 6! I need a Day of Rest!" (of course, I don't really have 6 wives, but if I did, I most certainly WOULD need a day of rest!)
It's All Corrupt It's All about the 💰
Yes, money to build temples.
@@Mega-Tim
For self-worship.
@@mikeb.7381Yes, members pay money so they can have temples to worship. Joseph Smith didn’t get rich off the church.
@@Mega-Tim
J. Smith definitely got rich after inventing Mormonism.
@@Mega-Tim
Temples full of masonic ceremonies. Evil.
Under attack? More like under scrutiny and exposure.
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We have been attacked since the beginning. Nothing has changed, and we feel it will become more intense. We follow the teachings of our Saviour 🙏🇦🇺👍
No you don't. You're an anti-Russia fascist
Mormons are copy cat of Jesus christ Jesus is not in that alien project with DC
Rob Sin WROTE:
" We have been attacked since the beginning. Nothing has changed, and we feel it will become more intense. We follow the teachings of our Saviour 🙏🇦🇺👍"
Your saviour is the spirit brother of Lucifer.
@@rickdavis2235 yes but jesus would follow god's will rather then his own desires like satan,
this is awful and biased reporting, where's the other side??
I think the "other side "is fairly obvious. This reporting was right on the mark. Make your own decision based on facts. The book of Mormon has nothing to do with Christianity.
The Lord's church has always been under scrutiny and persecution we expect it to get worse as time goes by.
AMEN, BUT THE QUESTION IS...DO YOU THINK THE LDS CHURCH IS THE LORD'S CHURCH?
The trouble is that this isn’t unique to Mormonism. Many religions and cults have been under scrutiny and persecution. However, that doesn’t mean that those religions and cults are true. Also, these religions and cults will often take any criticism or questioning of their religion as persecution and develop a “persecution complex” to vindicate to themselves and other members in the in group that they are being persecuted because their group is right and true.
But why do they need the great big building so close together. Buildings that have 300$ a foot carpet?
Brigham Young stole, Zina Diantha Huntington, a wife and mother from her own family. He impregnated her, had a baby with her, and destroyed the active-Mormon family. Brigham, using his position, tricked the young woman into adultery.
@@darrellandsondraholden9457 yes just too keep it simple the name of the church should say it all The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
The main issue the LDS group faces is the internet revealing the truth and history of the group.
True. The main impediment to their growth is Google.
@@jeffs4483 Yep!. Scientology is facing the same extensional threat.
And "hate people" who make videos exposing them.😂 I really like Zelf On The Shelf!!
cybercab --- So do You Believe Everything You Read on the internet????? Wow....
@@frandanco6289 That is a logical fallacy called the Strawman Argument. When one person can’t refute a point, they refute a weaker argument which was never made. Perhaps you are confusing me with someone who said one should believe everything you read on the internet. I understand you’re backed into a corner of inconvenient facts. I hope you can find some peace and the truth.
Would be nice if this cult just went away. So destructive not to mention clearly founded on fiction.
Most ppl around us here in UT/ID are LD$/FLD$/RLD$ None of it Ever goes away. Just gets deeper
Imagine being more offended about a nickname than the long-term abuse of children... Even if the Bisbee case were the only one it's extremely egregious. Where is the flood of faithful members and leaders wanting to make sure it never happens again?!
How do you know their hasn't been a flood of concerned faithful members? Have you some information that the rest of us has no awareness of? S ome international poll of our 16 million members or a representative sampling? As for the name of the church it denotes our belief that it is led and founded by Christ. Allowing a nickname to be used detracts from our mission. This has been an ongoing effort for the last ten years. The name "Mormon" was originally used as a slur by people who drove LDS people out of their state because of growing political clout and our opposition to slavery. With all the talk about personal pronouns I would think you would be more tolerant. You make a false assumption that we care more about our nickname than the safety of our membership. You are using fallacies to push your agenda and it shows. As a former scout master we were always to practice "2 deep leadership" meaning that no leader was ever alone with any scout, another must always be present. That has been the case for 20 years. As a ministering brother I am never to enter the home of a single woman without a second being present. That has been the case for my 67 years in the church.
There is a great deal being done to prevent abuse! All of us need to be part of the solution and be more involved.
@@Fred-mp1vf so long as the church has leaders call church lawyers instead of reporting to authorities there is not enough being done.
The church is doing a lot, including having two teachers in each children's class and keeping doors open when children are being interviewed for callings. It is taken very seriously.
@@joycechampion3124 I'll say it again: For as long as the church has bishops calling church lawyers about abuse they are not doing enough. Until the church begins to do the morally correct thing rather than the legal minimum they are not doing enough.
I also would not call what the church does do "a lot." Two deep leadership, open doors, and a 15 minute training are the bare minimum and hardly comprehensive.
CES LETTER
The most persecution I’ve ever felt has been from people I attend church with!
And the horrendous shunning ex Mormons receive when they find out the church is a fraud who conned them, and then resign…..😠
Liar
"The most persecution I’ve ever felt has been from people I attend church with!"
It would be difficult to be persecuted by people you do not encounter. Consequently, the likely persecutor of a Catholic will be another Catholic, and so on; name the church.
@@thomasmaughan4798 you're a liar
You're telling me. The most vitriolic hate I ever received around the time of Prop 8 in California were from supposedly "active" members who would tear up signs and just be terrible people in general
The Church of Joseph Smith of Latter Day Swindle.
oh my...(I think I just found my sermon topic for next week)
@@MimicoBungalowif you're Christian it's interesting that you preach against other Christians.
Do they ACTUALLY expect us to forget that a decade or so ago they FLOODED RUclips with those ‘I’m a Mormon’ ads? Now it’s a slur?… please. Which Article of Faith did the church violate with their SCC fines for Ensign Peak? Asking for a friend…
I think a lot of churches are under attack. It’s too bad that others feel it necessary to knockdown something they don’t know enough about. Religion is essential to our soul. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints has done so many wonderful things to help others and try to walk in Christ’s footsteps. Religions are beautiful and provide tools to get through life. 😉💛😇
Its petty even bringing it up! Reminds me of high school. Don't talk about a Catholic or Presbyterian who might have held up a drugstore. LOL
Done beautiful things you mean brainwash people and use your money for projects that help no one but their coffers! religion is primitive superstition but the LDS is in the same league of scientology's lunacy! and don't tell me I don't know what I am talking about I was a member of the cult for 18 wasted years! Cheers From Salt Lake City!
But why do they need the great big building so close together. Buildings that have 300$ a foot carpet?
@@manderson4803 Because people actually use the buildings for services and activities. If there are many buildings where you live, there must be many members in your area.
I think in relation to what the church owns, what they give is actually not that much. I'd like to see how they come up with their numbers. Truth is that we have no idea how the church, for example, came up with giving 900M over the past year. Are they counting the volunteer hours and giving a dollar amount to that? If they do, that isn't the church giving, that is the individual. (I guess those people could subtract that from their tithes and offering...) There is just no transparency in what these "wonderful" things are. Why doesn't the church open a soup kitchen or a woman's shelter? Digging wells, and making Days For Girls pads, are wonderful, but it is still people doing the work and donating the supplies, not the church. Exact transparency would be great.
The church has a major persecution complex. I don't think that criticism of the faith has gotten anywhere near as bad as what Catholicism has gone through in the past twenty years.
@5:13 "While the AP obtained thousands of documents and brought to light a terrible abuse, there was one glaring error, the name of the church itself" This is the most amazing part of this report, as if calling us Mormons is a bigger deal then covering up child abuse. And let's all remember that is was only 8 years ago that the church produced the movie "Meet the MORMONS"! and did the whole I'm a MORMON campaign.
This report is pathetic. Portraying the Church as the victim.
No mention whatsoever of WHY the Church is criticized.
I was also shocked by this too. I noticed they didn't show the clip when Nelson said the use of "Mormon" is a win for Satan... because they know how absurd it would sound to non-members.
Yes, Jesus only just realised the using the word Mormon is a victory for
Satan…..🤣😈🤣
@@pattykake7195 🤡there you are!
I agree, this was a very one sided report... And I am a member.
Really? With all the ways the church slaughtered their response to the AP article, what you choose to focus on is the AP using "mormon" in the article? That is the current problem......the church not recognizing and owning up to the harm they have done and instead focusing on the misuse of a term and feeling victimized.
Prosecution is the churches most powerful tool,if they point the congregation at an “attacker” the church made up they won’t want to criticize the church
I see what you're saying 💯%. I haven't been active for 30yrs. For a multitude of reasons but 1 of them is very similar to what you're saying. Honestly it comes down to the individuals that made these choice's to violate and abuse. No one else, not the church but the person/s that did it.
Oh and btw I'm not religious at all.
It's unjust and narrow minded for people to demonize group's of people or religion's. That is a major issue in the World today, frankly it always has been Honestly but has become much worse in the age of social media.
I'm not saying that's what you did at all with your comment and again understand where you're coming from.
Nailed it.
But... but... their prophet said "abuse is bad" isn't that enough??? /s
What HAS the church as a whole done in recent years?
Perhaps they should stop attacking non-members.
If the world hates you, remember they hated me first. - some guy
As a non-Utah Mormon, I had major culture shock when I moved to Provo/Orem to attend BYU. It boggled my mind how most members treated those who were outsiders, either because they were not LDS or they were from the “mission field” like me. Without realizing it, and without really wanting to be judgmental because the church gives us all of these criteria to stay on the covenant path, members have all of these outward clues to judge if others are worthy or not. They have always felt victimized and the martyr as well, making them feel like they are above those who are calling them out on their own negative behavior. I could not wait to move out of Utah, even though it is a beautiful place. The culture is toxic. 2 years ago, after being a member for 50 yrs, I realized it was the church that was toxic.
Thank you for realizing the faults here. Really. It helps me greatly to know at least some people recognize how horrible Utah Mormons can be to those outside the culture.
'ding' 👍🏻
The culture isn't being attacked, the multi billion dollar organization is. Sure, those college kids shouldn't have said that. College kids say dumb things sometimes, especially at football games. But everything else was perfectly in line. The church has a lot of dirt on it and shedding some light on it isn't an attack. It's truth.
Facts 💯💯💯
So does the whole Christian church. Some of the things done throughout the last 2000 years is bad enough.
The point is the church isn't the bad guy here it's people who have done bad things. For the most part the majority are just trying to live Christ like lives and serve the Lord Jesus Christ.
Actually much of the so called shedding light is done by people who don’t know what they are fully talking about.
Every other religion does too.
They purposely get the "facts" wrong, casting a tainted light by design and taking things out of context to get better ratings due to the shock factor. It's not truth at all. It's historical fiction.
There will always be detractors of any large group, or high-profile personality. As that grows, so will the detractors. For me, if I want to know something about a people or person I just go and ask them. Media is hype, just like the topic for this feed is probably clickbait. It's the internet. If you search for something to validate your opinion -- you'll find it.
The LDS church kept copious records of seemingly everything everyone ever said or did. The vile and obscene blasphemies spoken by church leaders should shock and appall you.
No need for the internet, hearsay or gossip.
That's why there is only one way to find truth and that is to ask our Lord Jesus Christ with real intent if it is nonsense or is it the truth! Anyone can say anything and call it truth or something else. Even if you ask someone, where do I find truth, they can point you the way. And it's up to your educational skills to find it. You still don't know if it is true until you ask the Lord. Is that too hard for some people to do, I think yes. The Lord has promised this great promise if we will ask we will receive truth and you will know it by the burning in your heart and in your mind if it is true, if not, Houston we have a problem.😒
Yes, we pray to the Father in the name of Jesus Christ.
@@amandadangerfieldpiano The thief on the cross prayed to Jesus. Stephen prayed to Jesus. Acts 7
If you can't pray to Christ, then you have the wrong Christ. A Christ that cannot save you.
@@amandadangerfieldpiano that's exactly what you should be doing. I do the same thing as far as I know every Christian pray to the father and close in the name of Jesus Christ, you're doing it right.
When you don't correct a lie, people think it must be true. It's important to correct lies about the church. It doesn't have to be done EVERY time (e.g. sometimes there's no one there who will listen anyway) and it shouldn't be done in a contentious way, but if we don't correct it who will? People won't know the truth if they don't hear the truth.
And when you're being made a scapegoat in those lies. Jesus was not a doormat.
As an honest investigator, the book of mormon has had several changes since 1830. Spelling, punctual, names changed, and paragraphs removed. Is that a lie? Are you willing to correct it?
@@Bullybob77
WROTE:
" As an honest investigator, the book of mormon has had several changes since 1830. Spelling, punctual, names changed, and paragraphs removed. Is that a lie? Are you willing to correct it? "
All of Mormonism is a lie. Joseph Smith wrote himself into the King James bible and called it the JST, Joseph Smith Translation. He wrote prophesies about himself that he could fulfill.
@@rickdavis2235 well yes, that is what investigation leads to if you use lds church approved material. so either the church is lying or the church is a sham, either way, the church isnt true
The problem is that often what is deemed a lie today can become a truth tomorrow,, especially in the world of Mormonism. Example: Years ago critics of the LDS Church charged that JS used a peep stone in a hat to supposedly produce the BOM. The outcry was that the charge was anti Mormon lies. Now the church has admitted the story is true in its CES essays, even showing pictures of the actual peep stone. Now I hear Mormons saying they never said it was a lie in the first place. The changing world of Mormonism.
If they stayed away from politics, it would help a lot. I love Mormons. I was one for 23 years. It helped me a great deal. but it also hurt me a great deal. I love Mormon people. Many of them. But they need to take accountability for their collective actions, overstepping like when it is not their place. Living in Utah, I see them overstepping. That is my only problem. Like the trans laws and things like that. The church is heavily hidden behind the scenes of laws. And they outsource their members/missionaries to get involved in taking rights away from others like during proposition 8 in California. They act like victims but what do they do to women and children. They put them in a place of powerlessness. Utah is one of the worst places for domestic violence accountability. I hope this changes.
Mormon will always be used
And people will always take The Lord's name in vain.
And people will always be free to be jerks to each other, or respectful to each other, if they choose.
Zero sympathy for cults who abuse and spread lies.
Mormons are some of the very best people and don't deserve this judgemental, self-righteous bigotry from people who probably don't know any Mormons.
Let people live!
I'm an ex-mormon (left a year ago). The members are leaving in droves, because their religious leaders lie to them, and there is a lot of toxic and harmful teachings within the church. They also lie about the number of members they have, they count the non active members (who haven't gone to church in many years) and they count people like me who have left, but haven't removed their name from church records (one day I will). The reason the church has been all over the place, is because those who have left are talking more. We are talking about the abuse and manipulation that happens in the church. We are exposing the real face of the church.
I’m sorry you feel that way. I have never felt lied to.
I hope you do
come back 😊
@@cecigrey3900 If you were to read your Bible, you would know that you have been lied to.
I’m sorry you feel that way. The church has always been transparent and consistent about how they count members. It’s not a conspiracy or attempt to inflate. I’m so grateful for my membership. It’s teachings bring me joy and peace, not toxicity. I find the world’s teachings and the results of them to be toxic.
@@brianblack7116 Why do they teach the first lie of Satan - "Ye c shall be as gods," if they are so honest and transparent?
Lie about what? There have been books sold in Church-owned Deseret Book for decades on every single topic you're having a problem with. Most of the people I encounter feel lied to because the first place they heard about these things was the internet instead as from the mouths of the prophets and apostles and parents. I'm so glad we don't use Sundays and General Conference to talk about all the "controversy" because we'd never talk about Christ. if Christ talked about all the controversy surrounding Him in His day, we wouldn't have the New Testament. He ignored it and taught what He came to teach.
Maybe it's the silence and lack of reply that puts people off. I'm in the UK and had LDS missionaries contact me twice. Both times I asked about unfulfilled prophecies of Joseph Smith. They say they've never heard about them before and they'll find answers and get back to me.... then ghost me. 😒
As a member we do not expect everyone to join the church. If they say no that is fine, let them worship who and what ever they wish. If you want to know more about the church and believe what we believe we will be happy to tell you, however that does not mean you have to believe it. Just let us know and we will go.
The lds churches believes they are the only true church and if you are not a Mormon then you won’t be saved by any means! That’s not what Jesus said in the Bible! JS was a liar. Continue living the lie!
sad though so many members get upset at mainstream christians because they try teaching their message to members
sad also members say things
"let "them" worship who and what "they" will"
Nepotism
The mormon wars
Bishops meaning watchers Fallin Elohim.
That is complete bs lol I grew up in the church
Latter Day Abusers.
Are you insuating that Latter-day Saints are absuers? All 10 million?
@@edwardgabriel5281
The Organization is, Yes.
@@jeffs4483 I've been a member since 1953, at 25. worked in many different capacities all these years giving service and support to others. disbursed many dollars, locally, to the needy because the Church organization enables us to, I've seen thousands come in and go.All different kinds of people. You make a big mistake tagging The Church organization as an abuser church when some of it's members commit sins as they do in all churches everywhere. Did you know that in the thousands of church meetinghouses, everybody serves without renumeration. That includes Bishops(5 yr. calling) his councilors, Sunday school teachers and music people, Men's priesthood organizations (what do you suppose they are teaching?) Women's Relief Society (constantly giving relief to those in distress) Young men and young womens organizations constantly offering wholesome activities and instructions, and the primary children who are taught to love and follow Jesus Christ, as are the grownus. I know one thing for sure, Satan loves you for tagging Our Redeemer's Church as abusers.I'm 95 and should be going through the veil of life one day soon. I'll try my best, when you time comes, to meet you and I'll tell you more important things at that time if you are willing to hear them.
I'm 96 and a member since 1953. Served in most callings. Are you a perfectionost? Tell me why, please.
@@edwardgabriel5281Yes!! When members cant bring themselves to stand up for ongoing abuse of children and instead support and sustain leaders responsible for covering up abuse, not even wanting to know the damage-- you are responsible.
The prophecy said “No unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing.”
I'm a member from Australia, there's not a lot of hate compared to the USA... idk why American's are so rude to so many religions, just mind your own business...
@@changan2942 that’s America for ya
The biggest threat to the LDS church is the LDS church.
@@changan2942 LDS sending out thousands of missionaries is minding your own business?
@@ricsimmons2003 yeah? if u don't like the church, ignore it and mind your own business
I love the LDS church and the gospel.
Attacked or Exposed?
Attacked.
@@gunnerlawts
As it should.
@@philbrooks5979 As the vipers did to Jesus.
@@gunnerlawts
Jesus of the BoM or Jesus of the Bible?
@@philbrooks5979 Same Jesus, but these vipers are in the bible.
The LDS Church has been persecuted from its beginning. That’s how they arrived in Utah. I wish the report gave it some historical context instead of listing recent TV shows as evidence.
Stop it with this persecution narrative - the Mormons were chased out of towns back east because they would come in, take over the government, impose their will on non-mormons, and generally tick everyone off. They were a disruptive cult that refused to play by the rules - but you only hear the "oh poor us, persecuted for our faith" nonsense in history classes in Utah. They weren't persecuted for their faith, they were held accountable for their actions.
They’re not giving historical context to the native Americans who were killed off during that move
How cool was the LDS church towards Black people? Super great? Or not so much?
Thought so.
Bank fraud and evading the law on polygamy tends to be unpopular and get you prosecuted. Not the same as persecuted.
@@tabithalayton2001 For the most part the LDS church shared food and shelter with the early Indians. My relatives were some of the first to settle in Utah.
Im an ex-mormon I left at age 23 and was since birth a mormon . I will say that it was so traumatic and I have unresolved trauma from being a part of that cult. I struggled for years after I left and still do. You can tell it’s a cult because of the way others react when you leave.. it’s the same as when you’re in… the bullying… the shaming… etc.
Really? Then, wouldn't you know it's "Mormon", as in the name of the prophet-historian who compiled the Book of Mormon, not "Morman"... which isn't even a valid word?
@@Quagthistle you are NOT Going to attack me for what I’ve been through and my testimony of leaving. That’s what you’re NOT going to do. People like you is why people don’t leave.. the attacks. It doesn’t matter how I spell it. It doesn’t change what happened!
@@Quagthistle i was born into it and left in my 20s. You are not going to attack victims . Not while I’m here.
Glad you left :)
@@Hbush1987 If it doesn't matter how you spell it, then why did you change it? You would have had a better chance of remaining LDS had you possessed a modicum of intelligence. It's best you refrain from giving anybody advice.
So I can’t be critical of Mormon doctrine? After all, it contradicts traditional Christianity
The creation of an irrational and false persecution complex serves the interests of cults, to keep members in line. This is a common cult tactic.
Yes! Study the BITE model, people! LDS church ticks the boxes.
We aren’t a cult, we did nothing to be labeled as such, we don’t create “false persecution”it’s a genuine problem that we can’t do anything about other than be the better person
@@The_worst_alchamists
CES Letter.
I am not a member of the LDS church, however; I have no issued with the church or it’s members! Leave them be…
Amen. This church is insane when you start getting into the long history of abuse and lies.
So a few bad apples and the whole barrel is rotten, I think not… narrow mindedness gets you nowhere…
Maybe if we just stopped giving churches tax deduction they would not look so sketchy all the time. I mean how much money do they really need to be getting when they're given money for free.
I just want to say. It’s easier to be lds in Utah than not. I’ve felt discriminated because I choose not to go to church. It’s hard to find friends. Maybe I am not being attacked but I am being isolated.
You should not be forced. Force is what the devil wants. You don't have to go to church
@@user-anonymous95 well, I don’t believe there’s such thing as devil, in my opinion it’s people making bad decisions. I’ve felt forced to go to church I didn’t go but it felt like people were forcing me. One time I agreed to make a poster for a church event because I like art, I was told to drop it off on Sunday morning at the church so I walked over there with my toddler in the stroller. I saw someone I knew right outside the entrance I gave him the poster to take it inside. He started pushing the stroller with my daughter inside the church building while trying to tell me I should really join them for church. I said I wasn’t coming and then the door closed behind him. He was waiting for me to go in but I told him I wasn’t going to. It made me quite mad that he would use the child to make me come in. He brought her back out after a while and tried to laugh about it. I didn’t think it was funny at all. Since then they’ve pretended they don’t see me when we run into each other
@@janaweser1986 that’s wrong. That is an awful representation of the church. Some people are too forceful… that’s especially why we’ve started teaching “worry about yourself unless you’re on a mission”
@@user-anonymous95 it is wrong but no one got it on camera so it didn’t happen
@@janaweser1986 well still, people in any church should not force anyone to join. Jesus didn’t condemn, why do they condemn? What I’m trying to say is, it’s your choice, let it be your choice
Seeing things like this shows just how we as human beings are (be it a member of the church or not). I’m a member of the church and I love it. Some people love it, some don’t care for it, some hate it, some respect it, etc. Thing is, everyone has their own unique experiences with it and can base their opinion of it. I feel sad to see people saying “f*** the Mormons” but there’s nothing we can do about it except allow people to feel that way towards the church, and defend what we believe; vise-versa for people who differ in beliefs.
I believe in a world of peace of coexisting with belief differences. I don’t think it’s possible however, I want to be the first that makes a step towards that direction. Hopefully, it’ll spread to those around me or at least they can feel peace in being themselves while with me and we both don’t have to sacrifice our beliefs for the sake of coexistence. Instead, we sacrifice our pride for the sake of peace and love.
I converted three years ago and refuse to live any other way
💯
Thank you for sharing your words with the world and your testimony. I know Satan's church does not want to hear the Lord's commandment he give to all of us, love one another as I have loved you. We are our Brother's Keeper.
Amen ❤
Thank you for standing up for the church! As I am also a member it makes me sad that someone would post this but I will share the gospel to as many people as I can.
"The 2 most unbelievable religions...scientology and Mormons"
The Book of Mormon contradicts itself all throughout it's pages. I do wonder how many Mormons have truly done a deep dive on their beliefs and it's origins.
ive deep dived! i studied the book of mormon and prayed to know if it was real. The experience i had during that prayer was otherworldly and unforgettable. i will not take any of man’s word over my spiritual experiences ever.
@@michelleellingson8130 the devil himself can act as an angel light .... be very careful my friend.
@@michelleellingson8130 Back in 1953, at age 25, I had a confirmation of the truthfullness of The Gospel I wish everybody could have. In the years, since, my testimony has become unshakable. I'm now 95, more than ready to go.
@@susanbernier9399 Did you know there is a way to discern between the two?
Confused if Mormon is a bad word , why it is called Book of Mormon ?
Mormon is a person and a nickname... it would be equal to calling someone from Islam... Mohammad... oh they must all be Mohammad ( ignorant )
Mormon isn't a bad word per se; he was a wonderful guy and we owe him a tremendous amount for his role in bringing the Book of Mormon to us.
But the name of the church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. And to omit the name of Jesus Christ from our name is, I believe, the real, main problem. Just as Jesus Christ is at the center of our name, Jesus Christ is at the center of everything we believe and strive to do as a church, and the nickname just ignores/hides all of that.
Actually, our prophet President Nelson has recently let us know that enough is enough and it's time to assert the name of the Church again so emphasis is on Christ where it belongs.
Mormon is the person that compiled records & though the book has his name in the title, its mostly not about him. I suppose the book could have been called "The Book of Joseph Smith".
@@matthewsmith2996 Or matthew smith huh? not really
A BOM prophet, named Mormon, ABRIDGED The MANY records over hundreds of years, and compiled the book...I am grateful 🙏 to be a Member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints...We were "nicknamed" Mormons because of the name of our Book of Mormon, by anti-LDS mobs in the 1800's...who were making fun of the book of scripture ... and sadly, the nickname stuck, even with MEMBERS! Until our prophet, Pres. Russell M. Nelson got us all THINKING AGAIN!! ❤️
MORMON, though a wonderful prophet in the BOM, did not die for our sins...Our Saviour, Jesus Christ, DID! WE are members of HIS church! 💕
If Christ lived as a mortal today society would treat Him like a Mormon.
Under attack? Definitely -- by its own leadership.
You do not know what you are talking about.
Christ himself was crucified let people hate they do it in a state of ignorance.
"Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do" Luke 23:34
It is blasphemy to say that Christ is a created being the brother of Satan. Why do you persecute Christ?
I was a Mormon for 42 years. My Lord and Savior Jesus Christ brought me out of that church
AMEN !
Same! Praise Jesus Christ of the Holy Bible alone! 🎉
Try watching Australia 60 minutes. THE FLEECING OF MORMONS.
Homosexual polyamorous marriages are accepted, yet polygamy is hated these days. Why is that? 🤣 WABOL
Hmmm…probably because early Mormon prophets (including Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Wilford Woodruff, Lorenzo Snow) married teenage girls several decades younger than them🤷. Joseph Smith at 37 married Helen Mar Kimball at 14. Brigham Young (or Bring’em Young) at 42 married Clarissa Decker at 15. Lorenzo Snow at 57 married Sarah Minnie Jensen at 15. Wilford Woodruff at 46 married Emma Smoot Smith at 15. The U.S. average age of marriage from 1850-1880 was 27 for men and 23 for women.
@@thomaschoate976 have you even considered those women's perspectives as well as the concept for their consent?
@@thelatterdayarbiter Question: Do you think 14 and 15 year old girls are women? And do you think they are able to give consent to religious authority figures in their lives who are in their 40s and 50s?
@@thomaschoate976 even the sealer asks the bride if she desires the marriage of HER own free will and choice. Besides, most people in the West can't even define what a female is these days, but nice try tho. 🤣
@Thomas Choate
That’s just not a fair assessment. Don’t you know Helen Mar Kimball was not 14. She married Joseph “several months before her 15th birthday” she was 14 and 1/2 or 174 months old sounds mature. Cmon get you facts straight 😉
Mormons are hard working honest people. World would be a better place if all lived that lifestyle. No I'm not a practicing member of the faith.
Ummm wrong answer
@@ShineBrightly”um wrong answer” 🤓
I would like you to explain why you think we aren’t hard working, we live a lifestyle of freedom and peace, we don’t drink or do drugs, we respect our fellow men and we treat each other as god’s children, we have done nothing wrong
often bad news and false reporting end up being better than no reporting at all. The honest in heart usually search out the truth first hand.
False reporting? So like... The entirety of the bible?
They read the Word and obey John 3:16.
Maxwell_Edison don't read between the lines.
@@sabreatchley2801 Who are you writing that to?
@@maxwell_edison Insofar as the oriinal material was translated incorrectly.
Ces letter
Forget the fake media, lets attack the LDS. We are proud of being LDS. If you don't like, leave us alone.
Like the way mormons leave everyone else alone? *ahem* missionaries
@@lindapabst3421 our missionaries usually don't harass people and condemn them. They lovingly offer to teach you about Jesus Christ and how you can be saved if you have faith in him and keep his commandments. If anyone doesn't want to hear us, we simply move on to someone else who will. If you're basing your opinion off of one bad experience, you're being close-minded.
@@christianjohnson5379 Like they way they have aggressively and repeatededly rung my doorbell at 9 PM, then loudly knocking when I don't answer? Like that? I almost called the cops.
I appreciate the reporters being accurate when they say that most religions have they scrutiny at one time or another. I kind of assumed being from Utah they would lean into the persecution mantra.
Though if the church thinks that I believe all of these scandals that come directly from church hierarchy is a bunch of nothing then they are mistaken
Just wanted to add that the FLDS Church mentioned in the newscast is not part of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints which Joseph Smith established.
Cut from the same beginnings, belief and practice though
The only reason FLDS do polygamy is because the early Mormon prophets were doing it Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, etc. The FLDS is pretty much just the 19th century Mormon church in modern times. I don’t see how you can condemn someone like Warren Jeffs who married teenage girls and not condemn the early Mormon prophets who married teenage girls (Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Lorenzo Snow, Wilford Woodruff, etc.)
@B H So said the dirt to the temple.
I am LDS, but I am not belongs to religion, I am belongs Lord Jesus Christ, He’s lives,
No thanks. The families, the kids, the schools are exclusionary to outsiders. If you don’t believe like they do, they will let you know.
Not true at all....
@@christianjohnson5379 Of course it is. Don’t think so? Move to Gilbert, AZ. It’s worse in St. George.
@@christianjohnson5379 The Book of Mormon says that I attend the church of the devil. I Nephi 14:10, 17
As someone who has recently relocated here to Utah. Never been LDS. Lived in the South, Midwest, and East Coast. I can tell you that most people everywhere else in the country gives little thought to the LDS church. They know nothing of their history, beliefs, and customs. It's just not that big of a population outside of Utah even within Christendom. When they come across and LDS member, rarely would they engage in religious conversation the way people do here in Utah.
I find it strange that this news piece asked everyone within the church about their feelings about recent news and events. What about people who live here in SLC, ex-mormons, and citizens like myself who have never been a member of the LDS church? I'm sure you feel as if it is an attach if you are member.
Many of these shows have been documentaries and dramatised historical pieces. If these things really happened, why is it an attach to shed light on those events?
Well said! Has this ever been put on PSAs? Wow! What a horrific message that stake president gave. I would have taken my kids and walked out. Maybe not silently. That is so bad!
I will never get the people who feel they are justified in mocking or attacking others. What have the Mormons done to people outside of the religion that is horrible? The answer is nothing. The Church of Jesus Christ serves and helps others no matter race, religion, or politics. The attacking of Mormons is based on ignorance. The more crazy this world becomes the more I cling to the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I could write an entire book about the harm they have done to the world.
The Book of Mormon teaches that I attend the church of the devil.
What about poor families being told to pay tithing above all else? Especially when the church has a ginormous hedge fund with probably around 200 billion now since the article was released? With 6% dividends per year…you do the math.
You are not clinging to the gospel of Jesus Christ by believing in false doctrines and extra books.
@@philbrooks5979 I'll bet it's all from the past or false accusations
The Netflix shows helped my therapist understand my old worldview and culture.
Mine here in UTAH was shocked at what us 20 kids were raised believing. Im OUT
Isn't polygamy it illegal in America?
Right here in UTAH / IDAHO Yep ! I come from a family of them & its a fkn mess!!!
The Church hasn’t been honest to its members… that’s why all this is happening…
Great piece. As a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints I think that was represented very well. I'm glad people have noticed.
Cult of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints*
Sorry, latter day cult members*
The church welcome positive criticism even negative criticism ......it helps the church to grow and be strong in the faith in Jesus Christ, the church and its leadership.
On the other hand, when you know you're right you can do like the third wave in Lehi's dream and, "Heed them not."
You should say that to Dalling H. Oaks or any other high rank leader. I don’t think they will agree with you 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
For the record: I am LDS. I am a Mormon. And I can never nor would I ever want to be anything else.
I like myself. I don't give a rip what anyone else thinks or believes of me, (not even other LDS).
I love my Heavenly Father and His son Jesus Christ, the Holy Ghost, my family and my friends; and although it would be desirable if they did: I still do not give a rip if others do not love me in return.
You know, I brought this all up with my president yesterday and this is the best answer I've heard since I've become aware of the church's struggles.
Be a peacemaker, live the example, be the face of the church.
joey and his polygamist clan in carthage jail used pistols a blazing peacemaking lol
@@jonnyhilljackson5788idk who that is or what event you are referring to, but maybe its high time we pick up the gun again rather than the ballot.
Joseph Smith was arrested 42 times. Is that peace making?
Do you even know why Joseph was placed in liberty jail? Because he destroyed a printing press publishing the truth of his polygamy. Which he lied and denied to members. He had 30+ wives.
@@Unavesmas1990 also don't care. Go do something more constructive than trying to convert random LDS members in RUclips comment sections.
How pathetic.
Not balanced. You didn't interview happy healthy ExMos. Do another segment. 💗
Poll at the end is interesting. Church culture isn’t the church doctrine. Also, I’m currently living outside of Utah and there are many people who don’t even know about the church.
In the Book of Mormon belt (Utah, Arizona and Idaho… and generally the west coast) there is a lot more pushback towards the church than outside it.
The poll found that something like 56% of the people in Utah think that the church is unfairly persecuted. Consider however that roughly 60% of the people in Utah identify as being Mormon. That means that it's plausible that 90% of the Mormons feel like they're being persecuted, which honestly is nothing new. They've felt like that since the 1830s. Sometimes it was true, and other times they were facilitating crime (3 counterfeiting operations in Nauvoo) or doing other illegal activities (such as polygamy) which informed the ill treatment which they received at the hand of government and some of their neighbors. In Missouri at least the Saints were also guilty of harassing their neighbors at times, something which Sunday school lessons generally overlook.
@B H lots of things. Even some members don’t even like living where the church membership is great. But a lot of it is that members of the church like to stick together and that can make others feel left out. But this similar to many religions and cultures. Where I live there are a lot of Russians and I have heard comments from non-Russians complaining about them. Usually because they had a few bad experiences and therefore don’t like Russians. Also, if people leave the church they can sometimes leave with a vengeance and that never goes well. Instead of leaving the highly populated member area they stay and be angry towards the church. Idk. There is just so many layers to it. But ultimately comes down to human nature.
I left the Church over a year ago after 40+ years of faithful belief. I respect Patrick Mason a great deal and have taken his views on Church History seriously. I am thankful for him and his willingness to engage with people such as I on the tough subjects that surround the Church and it's history. To answer the question about why it is more acceptable to go after the Church than other sects of religion, I would argue it is simply because of truth and authority claims.
@Celica: Lost and Found Why is it that people who leave the Church and speak about things like Church History never tell you what it is about Church History they don't like. I have found that when someone tells me something negative... I have had an answer for them, however they often tell me "Well now its too late. I already left." Oh well. We can mention truth and authority claims... but no one ever explains how it is applicable to my faith. I am somehow just suppose to accept what they say.
@@MrNirom1 I very surprised that no one has ever told you what "they didn't like" about Church history. For me that is not the total issue. The issue is Church lies and Obfuscation of it's history. I could spend hours upon hours explaining that to you but this is not the forum for that. You are sure welcome to send me an email if you are willing to listen.
Do other churches not make claims of truth and authority?
@@dtmelanson There is only one other religion that I know of that makes the same claim they have direct Priesthood Authority.
Bet I could guess what you speak of. Sounds like you studied yourself. Glad to hear it, truly. Too many people are easily brainwashed. Stay strong in the Lord, not man.
Wow.....this is the 1st time I've seen any report or articlefrom media that wasn't attacking the LDS or "Utah Mormon Culture". Wow refreshing!!!
Most Mormons find ways to live in bubbles where they know zero of their church's issues and therefore have no rebuttals or insight to the issues questioning people present. It is very culty. To want complete praise and zero rational thinking about a church's history is cultish. I'm sorry, but Rachel you need to practice critical thinking and informed consent.
It’s called the [insert religion here] Persecution Complex. It’s more that the belief doesn’t hold up to scrutiny and people would rather defend a flawed epistemology than let go of a bad or unfounded belief. So in one way, yes, Mormonism is under attack. BUT it’s because it fails at sooooooo many ways. But don’t fret Mormons, so are most religions. People are waking up to irrational beliefs.
Amen 🙏
And what exactly is “rational” in your mind? I’m genuinely interested in what you consider to be the “rational” alternative?
THIS. THIS. THIS.
@@chapmanchapsYou know, not being a deluded nut and thinking that the various invisible magic beings and characters from a Middle Eastern book of myths and fables are real, that's a pretty rational alternative 👍
What's the correct epistemology?
The Angel Moroni? The golden plates or golden Bible called by some is what Joseph Smith copied the Book of Mormon from. Polygamy was practiced and lauded as righteous and holy. Polygamy is still practiced by the fundamentalist. THIS WAS NOT IMAGINED OR IMAGINARY. Brigham would be ashamed.
LDS Church is a beacon for truth, Satan doesn't like it.
It's a Satanic scourge.
It’s not just contained to Mormons. Modern American culture is very anti-religion. Unless that religion can be fetishized and used to push certain goals.
Not that long ago I was told “LDS “ was offense. “Mormon is the preferred name” I was told. Now it’s the opposite. I’m confused.
A few years ago they didn't want us to use either, but to use the whole name; Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. It didn't take long before folks went back to LDS, which is what it's been mostly referred to my 65 years on earth.
@@beachbuddies57 here in the states the church already has its fingers in everything lol
They don’t want to use the word “Mormon” because internet searches will pop up too many uncomfortable facts
@@leahcarson1822 including overthrowing America's Gov w treason.
@@grantbeck9228 it's not an accurate portrayal of who we worship but rather a nickname given by enemies. The "m-word" if you will.
I would hope people respect others as human beings first, regardless of faith they grew up in. But if you choose to portray the negative stereotypes associated with any brand, be it a team, employer, church, culture, then that is respected differently. The issue seems to come from the disparity between inherent culture and elective brand. Every culture seems to come with one but important to not confuse the two in terms of treatment. If one is playing attitudes from the brand, then it's a brand reaction and it shouldn't be disrespect towards the culture. It's really just treating people as individuals, defaulting respect and not assuming too much by their cultural identity. By the same token, you might also get favorable treatment for playing the positive aspects, depending on the values shared.
One problem I see that the LDS church has always been targeted so why don’t everyone give us a break,like I have always said ‘before you cast the first stone make sure your closet has nothing in it’.
Every so called "persecution" the Mormon church has undergone has been for legitimate reasons. The bank in Kirkland Ohio, the land & livestock purchasing with worthless Kirkland bank notes in Missouri, the Gestapo techniques of destruction of the printing press in Illinois etcetera, & on & on. The Mormons always tell only their side if the story which is tainted by the absence of the truth!!!
Rather unfortunately, the Mormon closet has a lot of skeletons in it. No faith is perfect, but their doctrine contains so many twisted nooks and crannies that I would really stay away.
LDS was invented recently... persecuted complex aspirations take centuries to cultivate.... Maybe try Buddhism
As followers of the Lord Jesus Christ, we should know that the world will never accept us. Turn the cheek as our Saviour taught, keep the peace and keep walking with the Lord Jesus Christ.
We should make sure to separate personal attacks on members of the church and genuine criticism of the church as an organization. Someone pointing out how the Book of Mormon is not historical, the history of polygamy is authoritative, sexist, and harmful to women and girls, that racism in the church was taught by prophets and apostles, or the current discrimination against LGBT folks is not the same as someone who just says “F*ck the Mormons”. Also, as a former member, the term “Mormon” is not derogatory. Seeing as the church itself promoted the “I am a Mormon” campaign as well as the “Meet the Mormons” movie.
would you be interested in coming back if they instituted polygamy. I am finding most lds in early days raving polygamists. Hyrum,Joe,Taylor,Richards
YESSS 100%
Originally the term “Mormons” was a word used as a type of slang from those who persecuted the saints in the early stages of the Church’s foundation. It was a term that was meant to be derogatory and as a mockery to those who practiced in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. The members adopted the nickname as a way to use it against the persecutors. The name has always been and always will be The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. It has been encouraged in the past that members separate themselves from calling themselves “Mormons” for that is not who we worship and that is not the name of our Church. The members developed a bad habit of adopting a name that was never ours to take claim of. We are not followers of Mormon. We are followers in Christ.
@@keida197 what exactly is persecution?
@@anthonyanderson7311 referring to the word itself or how it is being used?