For those that were asking ... these are indeed Buddy's Rogers drums here with the exception of the snare drum which is his 1966 Fibes SFT/COF. Buddy would later play the FULL Fibes COF set in the back part of 1967 after leaving Trixon/VOX. The Fibes snare drum stayed in place though as he continued to play it during his entire Slingerland endorsement which started in 1968. Of interest is that Buddy was playing a fiberglass drum long before this! He started with one that was custom made by the then G&M Custom Drum Co. out of LI/NY. That particular drum was disguised to LOOK like a Rogers COB Dynasonic as Buddy was still with Rogers at the time. Buddy liked Rogers!, but he LOVED the sound of that fiberglass snare drum! I have pics of his disguised G&M Custom to look like a Dynasonic. One would never know from a distance ... then. Today, different story! It would have been spotted immediately!
@@bigswingface5847 Try listening one more time to this particular piece from that album, "Fight the Power" recorded live at Carnegie Hall. It starts at about the 14 minute mark. Holy Hell this thing is explosive. ruclips.net/video/_8iAEGl1spY/видео.html
Tempo-wise, this is pretty much spot-on the album version. I've noticed, as most of you have also, that when Buddy played album tunes live - from the mid-70's on - the tempo was usually a good bit faster than the album version.
+erzug Song tempo is an interesting topic to look at with Buddy Rich, and actually throughout his entire last 20 years. There are many examples, like you said, where B would later play the tune faster: Mexical Nose, Willowcrest, Preach and Teach, Three Day Sucker, just to name a few. There are also examples where it seems he experimented with playing at a faster tempo, but then ultimately decided against it, like Mercy, Mercy, Mercy, Keep the Customer Satisfied, or even Winding Way in that last year of 1986.
The faster tempos might have been to keep the band interested. Just how many times can you play a chart at the same tempo without getting a bit bored with it?
@@moemadge I'm also talking about concerts that weren't on TV shows. I probably saw him live about 15 times, give or take, back in the day and the tempo for this tune was all over the place.
Bobby Shew said he had a tendency to rush. But I have noticed what you mention in nearly all live performances of anyone - the live versions are faster. Saw Buddy twice, Chase twice, and Ferguson once. Everybody was faster. I think that during recordings, they have producers who have a better sense of what people like to listen to. I read that Buddy had a music supervisor who would rehearse the band. Maybe he was present at studio recordings and kept the band in check.
The bass trombone player is using the same brand/model bass trombone I started on in 1970 (Reynolds Contempora TO-01). I still have that horn for sentimental reasons.
There was a whole lot of innovation happening to bass trombones during that time period. Different valve section wraps, independent v. dependent valve arrangements, different valve trigger linkages, interchangeable leadpipes, etc.
With all due respect to any Rock and Roll drummer,Buddy Rich is THE GREATEST drummer that EVER walked the PLANET!! Just watch him play....it's looks as natural as breathing to him..... Just ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!!
This show was recorded the same year Big swing face came out. There's no acknowledgements with this video, but I'm 99% sure these are the same people from the album. So yes, His name is James Trimble. His solo is very close to the one he played in big swing face too
+Andrew Chaplowitz Yes, if you mean Swingin new big band. I believe he played that solo in west side story. PS, I have the actual Big swing face album, and in the cover they say "James Trimble" but on Wikipedia they say "Jim Trimble." So I don't know, it's either or. But yeah, Jim/james Trimble played in the original west side story.
@Julian Diaz You have to see other BR MIke Douglas appearances here to understand. When I mean solo, I'm speaking extended solo, not just 2-4 bars here and there.
The BR discography by Doug Meriwether doesn't have a personnel listing for mid July when this performance occurred. But it does have this listing for mid June: John Sottile, Yoshito Murakami, Chuck Findley, Oliver Mitchell (tp) Jim Trimble, John Boice (tb) Bob Brawn (b-tb) Ernie Watts, Jimmy Mosher (as) Jay Corre, Bob Keller (ts) Meyer Hirsch (bar) Ray Starling (p) Dick Resnicoff (g) Jimmy Gannon (b) There's also a note that at some point in July Russ Turner replaced Ray Starling on piano.
Yes i like this version better than the Sullivan one, a little less up tempo. Buddy's white drums were unbranded here and the black kit on Sullivan were also unmarked. As someone said he was probably having issues with Rogers and went with Fibes a little later. He always liked the Fibes snare but had the full set briefly before going with Slingerland. As famous and great as he was you would think the drum company's would cater to whatever he wanted.
This rendition is slower than the Ed Sullivan one, but not as slow as it the one he did on the Mike Parkinson Show in 1973. I like the 1973 rendition the best.
+Stuart Dorsey Yeah, I hear you. More images needed of B. What was the director thinking? Didn't he/they ever think of using angles that would capture the soloist and B at the same time?
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I remember hearing this as a kid on the MD show and it blew me away. It was big in getting me interested in jazz. Later I went to Berklee.
Ernie Watts in alto , one bad man
I love this version... fantastic !
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For those that were asking ... these are indeed Buddy's Rogers drums here with the exception of the snare drum which is his 1966 Fibes SFT/COF. Buddy would later play the FULL Fibes COF set in the back part of 1967 after leaving Trixon/VOX. The Fibes snare drum stayed in place though as he continued to play it during his entire Slingerland endorsement which started in 1968. Of interest is that Buddy was playing a fiberglass drum long before this! He started with one that was custom made by the then G&M Custom Drum Co. out of LI/NY. That particular drum was disguised to LOOK like a Rogers COB Dynasonic as Buddy was still with Rogers at the time. Buddy liked Rogers!, but he LOVED the sound of that fiberglass snare drum! I have pics of his disguised G&M Custom to look like a Dynasonic. One would never know from a distance ... then. Today, different story! It would have been spotted immediately!
Rear information!
Just as I suspected, old chum.. the sound of that snare is unmistakable!
in my eyes there is no bad buddy EVERYTHING was from the heart
BRILLIANT
I certainly feel that way too. This amazing man gave 100% every time he performed.
Except his album "Speak No Evil", which I bought on 8 track tape when it came out, and promptly threw in the trash can after one listen. Pure rubbish.
@@bigswingface5847 Try listening one more time to this particular piece from that album, "Fight the Power" recorded live at Carnegie Hall. It starts at about the 14 minute mark. Holy Hell this thing is explosive. ruclips.net/video/_8iAEGl1spY/видео.html
Awesome. best rendering of this great arrangement on utube. keepem cooming
+mikebuddy1 I am very glad you like it. I think it is awesome also (and better than Sullivan 1967).
+mikebuddy1 I think it is the best rendering also, glad you like it! - although I do like the 1973 Parkinson too.
Thanks for sharing this !!!
+graham sheridan You are welcome!
Tempo-wise, this is pretty much spot-on the album version. I've noticed, as most of you have also, that when Buddy played album tunes live - from the mid-70's on - the tempo was usually a good bit faster than the album version.
+erzug Song tempo is an interesting topic to look at with Buddy Rich, and actually throughout his entire last 20 years. There are many examples, like you said, where B would later play the tune faster: Mexical Nose, Willowcrest, Preach and Teach, Three Day Sucker, just to name a few. There are also examples where it seems he experimented with playing at a faster tempo, but then ultimately decided against it, like Mercy, Mercy, Mercy, Keep the Customer Satisfied, or even Winding Way in that last year of 1986.
The faster tempos might have been to keep the band interested. Just how many times can you play a chart at the same tempo without getting a bit bored with it?
Quicker tempo might also be to accommodate the allotted time for a TV spot
@@moemadge I'm also talking about concerts that weren't on TV shows. I probably saw him live about 15 times, give or take, back in the day and the tempo for this tune was all over the place.
Bobby Shew said he had a tendency to rush. But I have noticed what you mention in nearly all live performances of anyone - the live versions are faster. Saw Buddy twice, Chase twice, and Ferguson once. Everybody was faster. I think that during recordings, they have producers who have a better sense of what people like to listen to. I read that Buddy had a music supervisor who would rehearse the band. Maybe he was present at studio recordings and kept the band in check.
Great stuff. He did the splash the cymbal from underneath which seems to be just in this time period.
dherz108 I still do that! I saw Dino Danelli from the rascals do it and it looked so cool
The bass trombone player is using the same brand/model bass trombone I started on in 1970 (Reynolds Contempora TO-01). I still have that horn for sentimental reasons.
There was a whole lot of innovation happening to bass trombones during that time period. Different valve section wraps, independent v. dependent valve arrangements, different valve trigger linkages, interchangeable leadpipes, etc.
Bass Bone player was Bob Braun...originally from Maine. Great player!!
Great version of the tune
Trombone solo is the same as the one in the Big Swing Face version of this song
+Shmowzow458 - This is one fine album ! Give a listen to; Love for Sale and the others !
Not the same, close but not the same
Jim Trimble!
With all due respect to any Rock and Roll drummer,Buddy Rich is THE GREATEST drummer that EVER walked the PLANET!!
Just watch him play....it's looks as natural as breathing to him.....
Just ABSOLUTELY AMAZING!!
😊
jim trimble burnin on the trb solo and ernie watts on alto sax
Ya gotta love it!
Powerful playing by Buddy here. Not a note or a beat misplaced.
One of the (many) marks of his genius was his ability to swing in three and six.
Yes! Very true.
Beatlemania strikes again!
Ernie Watts a.s. who plays tb solo, is that Jim Trimble?
This show was recorded the same year Big swing face came out. There's no acknowledgements with this video, but I'm 99% sure these are the same people from the album. So yes, His name is James Trimble. His solo is very close to the one he played in big swing face too
Also played on West side on first
album?
+Andrew Chaplowitz Yes, if you mean Swingin new big band. I believe he played that solo in west side story. PS, I have the actual Big swing face album, and in the cover they say "James Trimble" but on Wikipedia they say "Jim Trimble." So I don't know, it's either or. But yeah, Jim/james Trimble played in the original west side story.
Buddy still using the upright bass here!
Since there were no solos in this chart...and never have been, I wonder what Neon Sign man did during this time to keep himself occupied.
+erzug Good point! What that guy considered creativity was in fact totally ill advised diminishing, spoiling, ruining, etc., etc.!
Now you're just being picky. lol
@Julian Diaz You have to see other BR MIke Douglas appearances here to understand. When I mean solo, I'm speaking extended solo, not just 2-4 bars here and there.
awesome
I most definitely agree!
Rogers Drums and Fibes snare ?
Wonder if 2nd alto player is Bill Byrne?
No Bill Byrne listed during this time period in 1967, in the Buddy Rich discography.
@cloudview747 thanks for checking. Looked a little bit like him, and he said he had been w Buddy in the past.
same trombonist as on the live Caesar's Palace album. Wish there was a personnel listing on this
The BR discography by Doug Meriwether doesn't have a personnel listing for mid July when this performance occurred. But it does have this listing for mid June:
John Sottile, Yoshito Murakami, Chuck Findley, Oliver Mitchell (tp)
Jim Trimble, John Boice (tb) Bob Brawn (b-tb)
Ernie Watts, Jimmy Mosher (as) Jay Corre, Bob Keller (ts) Meyer Hirsch (bar)
Ray Starling (p) Dick Resnicoff (g) Jimmy Gannon (b)
There's also a note that at some point in July Russ Turner replaced Ray Starling on piano.
string bass on mike douglas, fender bass on sullivan
is this the arrangement by Bill Holman?
Yes.
That sax soloist played with Johnny Carson's band for awhile.
Yes! After Johnny retired, Doc traveled with a performing Big Band. I saw that band in concert near me back then, and he was in that band!
@@cloudview747 Yes, Doc performed with them on Arsenio's show shortly after Johnny retired.
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Ernie Watts was with the Tonight Show Band for a while under Doc Severinsen.
Yes i like this version better than the Sullivan one, a little less up tempo. Buddy's white drums were unbranded here and the black kit on Sullivan were also unmarked. As someone said he was probably having issues with Rogers and went with Fibes a little later. He always liked the Fibes snare but had the full set briefly before going with Slingerland. As famous and great as he was you would think the drum company's would cater to whatever he wanted.
+Steve Bullard Glad you like it as I do!
Look closely and you can just make out the Rogers script badges on the floor toms at the beginning of the clip.
Boycey at 0.15
Ernie Watts on alto sax
Saw Ernie live with Doc (Ed on drums), when Doc went on the road after Johnny retired. Great concert!
Who arranged the horns for this?
Bill Holman
what style is it in?
Yes slower than Sullivan show
And right crash cymbal (stage left) not 20 ft in the air)
Thank goodness about that crash cymbal!
This is the same year as sgt pepper
Yes. Very interesting to think of this TV appearance in that context.
They did John Lennon proud here...
🙂 I miss John. And I miss Buddy.
@@cloudview747 Me too
Could someone tell me why Trimble (Lead trombone) wasn't playing through most of the piece ?
Lots of unison in this chart. No need for the Lead Bone to play there especially when he also has the solo.
What an incredible solo he played though!
Sax Ernie Whats
I do too - tempo and feel here.
+James Morton Great minds....
Yes.
It's slower.
This rendition is slower than the Ed Sullivan one, but not as slow as it the one he did on the Mike Parkinson Show in 1973. I like the 1973 rendition the best.
Yes, better than Sullivan, but--as so often the case with BR videos--terrible directing. I wonder who the drummer was?
+Stuart Dorsey Yeah, I hear you. More images needed of B. What was the director thinking? Didn't he/they ever think of using angles that would capture the soloist and B at the same time?
Terrible