Smoked Pork Ribs in ONLY Three Hours? (Hot and Fast Recipe w/ Brine)

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    🍖 Pork Ribs are an American favorite at home and in restaurants and today we are cooking them up on the Weber Grills Kettle.
    Althought this is the most popular grill on the plant, some cooks struggle to cook great BBQ on it because the fire is so close to the meat. To fix that use the two tips demonstrated here - first, make sure you have controlled air flow and good fire control and second, use the dual zone (indirect) cooking set up.
    I'll also show you how to make them show stoppingly delicious with a simple brine recipe, seasoning and sauce for a very traditional Texas style smoked pork rib. Let's fire it up!
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    OG, A perfect blend of sea salt, fresh cracked pepper and fresh granulated garlic, the ORIGINAL season all that has created the most wonderful eating experiences for every civilization, every country and every cuisine in the world. OG is also fantastic on vegetables, dips, salsas and over nearly every meal you can create in your kitchen. No free flow agents, no additives or fillers, just pure spg that brings out the natural flavor of any meat or dish.
    WOW was designed to give you that maximum one bite flavor experience, to impress friends, family and competition cook off judges alike. For the full WOW experience shake liberally on steaks, chops, burgers, fajitas and any meats that you cook at least 30-40 minutes before cooking, longer is even better for the maximum flavor. Also great on just about any dish you create in the kitchen, wonderful on veggies and fruit too. Shake it on and get WOW’d! WOW has sea salt, fresh cracked pepper and fresh granulated garlic a small amount of msg and spices.
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  • @miningmonkey760
    @miningmonkey760 Год назад +9

    I NEVER get tired of seeing a rack in the finishing stages, ESPECIALLY once the BBQ sauce gets set in and basted on only to get better once it's finished 🎉

  • @thetwomusketiers9795
    @thetwomusketiers9795 Год назад +2

    Thank you for the video, Tio! It's always a pleasure stopping by.

  • @aaronhavens1121
    @aaronhavens1121 11 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you so much Arnie! I made them a couple weeks ago and they were fantastic! I'm making them again tomorrow if it's not raining!

  • @aguilarghector
    @aguilarghector Год назад +3

    I found you on instagram first and become a fan! Started watching your videos here on RUclips now and really like what your doing brother. This video took me back, I started smoking ribs on my Weber grill and have now expanded my bbq experience with offsets, pellet smokers, Santa Maria’s etc etc anyway just wanted to say I’m a fan and those ribs look great never thought bout a brine before, the outcome looks delicious. Keep up the content

  • @edgarrodriguez3084
    @edgarrodriguez3084 2 года назад +7

    I never thought about brining my ribs. Thanks for the tip!

  • @Egonzales85
    @Egonzales85 2 года назад +3

    Best RGV content creator I follow. Excellent vid brother.

  • @bradcampbell624
    @bradcampbell624 2 года назад +10

    Another excellent vid! We have a sort of custom technique on the Weber. A concave metal insert, open side up, in the middle, and then coals & wood on the 2 sides. Hot (about 450) and fast ( just over an hour) and they come out amazing. The skin is bacon crispy , much of the fat has cooked out, but the meat is still pull away tender (especially when brined). Thanks for the reminder on brining!

    • @bamperry4719
      @bamperry4719 Месяц назад +1

      Agreed! Instead of arguing with the charcoals, I adjust to the temp.

  • @chuygrouch7649
    @chuygrouch7649 2 года назад +2

    Love watching your videos while on lunch at work eating leftovers nd thinking I'm eating what you just grilled.

  • @davidmacias1270
    @davidmacias1270 Год назад

    You rock! Doing my first ribs over charcoal on a Weber. Thank you sir✌️

  • @JuanGutierrez-vm3iz
    @JuanGutierrez-vm3iz 2 года назад +2

    Arnie those rib look 👀 amazing 😻 great tips thanks and god bless you and your family from Pharr TX

  • @jodybaker706
    @jodybaker706 2 года назад +1

    Great video hermano. Keep up the good work. Jody from Miami sends

  • @hectormartinez5065
    @hectormartinez5065 2 года назад +2

    Those look Delicious 😋 Arnie. Thanks for sharing.

  • @JDDOWDY
    @JDDOWDY 2 года назад +2

    I can smell it all the way from WestTexas. Looking good.

  • @tommymejia8244
    @tommymejia8244 2 года назад +5

    Thanks Arnie, I've been waiting for this video for a long time. Now to order more OG and WOW. .Thanks for sharing bro. Keep em coming

    • @ArnieTex
      @ArnieTex  2 года назад

      Thank you Tommy

    • @tommymejia8244
      @tommymejia8244 2 года назад +1

      Ok Bro, just ordered OG and Wow with 2 Pit Master shirts...can't wait to get em in...Keep on teaching bro!!

    • @ArnieTex
      @ArnieTex  2 года назад +1

      @@tommymejia8244 They are on the way brother, thank you

  • @angelagenis2173
    @angelagenis2173 Год назад

    Love the videos, you are rhe only cooking show we watch anymore!
    What is the spritz you use?

  • @levardoledesma9307
    @levardoledesma9307 Год назад +1

    Hey bro, thx for your dedication to food. Here in the PNW, I do it the same....almost. I use Alder, pear, apple or cherry wood, no gas ever. the spirit is the same, great food! Thx again and look forward to more vids. ! SALUD !

  • @TheJorgSacul
    @TheJorgSacul Год назад +1

    I do mine indirect on my 50 year old PK grill- I've never brined mine, but I will try your recipe, those look killer delicious!

  • @munlimited4319
    @munlimited4319 2 года назад +1

    Love your channel Arnie!

  • @michaelv4218
    @michaelv4218 2 года назад +1

    Arnie reminds me of my tio im from SAN ANTONIO TEXAS but been living in oregon for 7 years everytime i watch your videos arnie you always remind me of home and family thank you🙏🤝

    • @suncity9152
      @suncity9152 2 года назад

      What part of Oregon Carnal? Just moved to Portland from El Paso

  • @B3ASTLY31
    @B3ASTLY31 2 года назад +1

    You are awesome, Enough said. from Alberta Canada 🇨🇦 😎

  • @TWC6724
    @TWC6724 Год назад +1

    Those are good lookin’ ribs there. I’ve never brined mine. May have to try that. God bless

  • @ortiztino
    @ortiztino 2 года назад +1

    Damn bro... That was awesome. Thank you!

  • @BignorbScratches
    @BignorbScratches 2 года назад +2

    Great session 😎👍🏻👍🏻

  • @charcoalwoodfire
    @charcoalwoodfire Год назад +2

    Looks amazing!

  • @millenialbroadcast
    @millenialbroadcast 2 года назад +1

    Great looking tips

  • @hotwingkilla6134
    @hotwingkilla6134 Год назад +1

    Balance 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻❤️ good stuff as always

  • @texans7138
    @texans7138 Год назад +1

    Awesome, thanks

  • @justinleonor1592
    @justinleonor1592 7 месяцев назад

    I like the style of this video. Substance over flash; to the point. He’s everyone’s favorite tio 😂

  • @TROYCOOKS
    @TROYCOOKS Год назад +2

    Great looking ribs you got going on there Arnie!!! I love the outtakes!!!! Too funny brother!!! Cheers to ya!!!

    • @ArnieTex
      @ArnieTex  Год назад

      @Troycooks, thank you sir, appreciate it, especially coming from a big cook like you, love your videos too.

  • @danielborboa2824
    @danielborboa2824 Год назад +1

    who needs food network when we have you

  • @kingkasper5
    @kingkasper5 Год назад

    What’s the ideal temp at the grate before you put the ribs down? What about ideal time to wrap them? By the way love your channel

  • @wf1218
    @wf1218 2 года назад +1

    this will be epic!

  • @jerrycontreras5550
    @jerrycontreras5550 2 года назад +2

    Those are some great looking ribs 👍🏼😋

  • @f.davidbush9093
    @f.davidbush9093 10 месяцев назад

    Love the smoker in the background

  • @miguelvarela812
    @miguelvarela812 Год назад

    Do you have to brine them before smoking?
    Also, besides the mesquite logs, did you add more mesquite for smoke or just that one piece?

  • @justinholman1096
    @justinholman1096 2 года назад +1

    Have an idea for a video. Could you make a video on making breakfast burrito/tacos on a disco please?

  • @biggmikeg.8222
    @biggmikeg.8222 2 года назад +2

    Perfect timing gonna bbq sme ribs tonite!

  • @craighebert4655
    @craighebert4655 2 месяца назад +2

    04:10 we call them the rib tips. A lot of times I’ll flavor my baked beans with it.

    • @BMoney77
      @BMoney77 2 месяца назад

      I never thought of them in baked beans. Do you still use bacon too or just the tips as a substitute?

    • @BMoney77
      @BMoney77 2 месяца назад

      I never thought of them in baked beans. Do you still use bacon too or just the tips as a substitute?

  • @Forrest_Gee
    @Forrest_Gee 2 года назад +1

    Stoked!

  • @philtyrich1
    @philtyrich1 4 месяца назад

    Arnie I brined some ribs this weekend hit em with a some jerk seasoning smoked them bad boys for a few hours they came out amazing and cooked quick brining them took em to a whole different level .

  • @WhatWeDoChannel
    @WhatWeDoChannel Год назад +1

    Great video! I don’t want my ribs too sweet either.

  • @sammartinez8084
    @sammartinez8084 2 года назад +3

    Great show and nice looking yummy 😋😋😋😋😋😋🤠🤠🤠👍👍💯💯🌶️🌶️

  • @victorquiroz5361
    @victorquiroz5361 Год назад

    Gonna try following as best i can. Aquí en Arkansas no tenemos mesquite so

  • @mikerico30
    @mikerico30 Месяц назад

    What are you spraying it with I’m going to try this out tomorrow

  • @killerwardog3354
    @killerwardog3354 2 года назад +1

    Hell yeah brother looks delicious lol

  • @juansanchez7769
    @juansanchez7769 2 года назад +2

    No pues Wow!🤩

  • @tancaldwell9832
    @tancaldwell9832 Год назад +1

    What do you spray your ribs with?

  • @hebsmit222
    @hebsmit222 2 года назад +1

    Straight boss

  • @miguelsoliz772
    @miguelsoliz772 2 года назад +3

    I know what am doing this weekend! Great video! How do I get some of that charcoal?Thanks!

    • @ArnieTex
      @ArnieTex  2 года назад

      Hello Miguel, these guys are the distributor for that charcoals, Thank you.
      Propit
      676 S. Jackson
      Edinburg Tx
      956-348-2012

    • @miguelsoliz772
      @miguelsoliz772 2 года назад

      @@ArnieTex awesome thank you sir!

  • @nocomp8537
    @nocomp8537 2 года назад +1

    Here late but better late than never... Saludos ArnieTx 🤠

  • @jerryrivera7704
    @jerryrivera7704 2 года назад +2

    Where in south Texas Brownsville or Edinburg?????

  • @sarahinmyblessedkitchen5064
    @sarahinmyblessedkitchen5064 2 года назад +1

    Awesome video Arnie 💕 I am getting WOW, you need to sell a shirt with ArnieTx pitmaster on it. I’d buy it for sure. I forwarded you video to friends and family, and a lot of them were already subscribed 😀 just wanted you to know. love n hugs from Houston!!! 🥰

    • @ArnieTex
      @ArnieTex  2 года назад +1

      Thank you so much Sarah

  • @bc454irocz89
    @bc454irocz89 3 месяца назад

    you remind me of this guy in a curios shop i used to buy fireworks from

  • @Danman1972
    @Danman1972 2 года назад +27

    Great video. In my opinion "falling of the bone" means its overcooked. The meat should pull easy and stay together. Nicely done. Love my kettle. I cooked for a mom and pop BBQ back in the 90s for several years. Been using a kettle since the late 90s for stuff. Most of my stuff is hot and fast. Just don't overshoot the temps and it usually comes out well. Were you ever on KTMtalk back in the day?

    • @ArnieTex
      @ArnieTex  2 года назад +2

      Hi Danny and thanks for the comments, QueTex, yes

    • @Danman1972
      @Danman1972 2 года назад +2

      @@ArnieTex Right on.... Still on a KTM... sort of. Gas Gas so basically a KTM! Still pop in over there every now and then. I was Weekend_warrior on that page. Will likely pick up a rack and give the a try. I usually do it a bit differently. When I wrap I don't generally sauce it up. Also, looking to pick up on of those new anniversary kettles.

    • @ArnieTex
      @ArnieTex  2 года назад +1

      @@Danman1972 thanks Danny, keep riding and enjoy the bbq's

    • @rockyalba8955
      @rockyalba8955 Год назад +1

      Just found your channel ArnieTex great video's, great tips on bbq ,keep em coming!

  • @mariocarrera4308
    @mariocarrera4308 2 года назад +3

    Good video! Where did you get those logs? Do they sell them in Houston?

    • @ArnieTex
      @ArnieTex  2 года назад +2

      not in Houston yet , hopefully soon though. These guys are the owners and distributors for the brand
      Propit
      676 S. Jackson
      Edinburg Tx
      956-348-2012

  • @juangarcia4153
    @juangarcia4153 10 месяцев назад

    What do you use in your spray bottle?

  • @another18wheels52
    @another18wheels52 2 года назад +1

    Lol I don’t trim nothing on spares it’s all good.

  • @AIRJAMMER88
    @AIRJAMMER88 2 года назад +1

    I need that Intuitive sense when I’m sipping Coronas 🍻.I burn the meat 😂

  • @John-um4ij
    @John-um4ij Месяц назад

    Can you please tell me what is in your Spritz? Thank you.

  • @horacejones5226
    @horacejones5226 Год назад

    How do I order the mesquite logs?

  • @joeharris5482
    @joeharris5482 Год назад +2

    That’s a beautiful rib, where can I get those coals from, and the rub?

    • @ArnieTex
      @ArnieTex  Год назад

      Propit BBQSupplystore. Rubs pitmster.us

  • @terencewoodson409
    @terencewoodson409 2 года назад +1

    Temperature keeping is not hip pocket Q-ing. Don’t need a temp gauge, just eye balling the meat. Old school back woods cooking

  • @jtomas409
    @jtomas409 Месяц назад

    Im smoking me some ribs mañana but i dint want bbq. I want to try mango habanero flavor lets how it goes 🤞

  • @leonelmolinajr2
    @leonelmolinajr2 Год назад +1

    What is that digital grill thermometer you had in the grill?

    • @ArnieTex
      @ArnieTex  Год назад

      Look up Inkbird on amazon.

  • @MrIowahawks77
    @MrIowahawks77 2 года назад +1

    How do you reheat ribs let’s say you want a rack for the next day
    Do u wrap in Saran Wrap and foil and reheat?

    • @ArnieTex
      @ArnieTex  2 года назад +1

      if it's the next day I leave them in the foil, any longer and they get vacuum pak'd and or frozen, still good reheated slowly

    • @MrIowahawks77
      @MrIowahawks77 2 года назад +1

      @@ArnieTex thank you

  • @drvictoria07
    @drvictoria07 2 года назад +6

    It only takes 2 hours at the most to bbq some ribs! Trust me!! It depends on how your fire is

    • @santibouphavong
      @santibouphavong Год назад +2

      Thats about the same amount of time it takes me to make ribs too. It has that good balance of tender and pull to the meat.

    • @earthquakkejake9894
      @earthquakkejake9894 Год назад +1

      Why rush and risk too much flare? And it varies on pork or beef and I don't like to lose juice

    • @Jaketheaxman
      @Jaketheaxman 19 дней назад

      I prefer low and slow. Better flavor. Mine take 6 hours

  • @edwardboyer7102
    @edwardboyer7102 2 года назад +1

    Just in my weber rib cooking adventures doing hot an fast ribs sear heavy seasoned ribs to exact color you like wrap in heavy duty aluminum not the cheap thin foil then add 1/2 can of premium beer budweiser is the best bone side down rotate for 2 hrs add bbq sauce for 12 minutes rest em 20 minutes an mow em down

  • @beastly_brisket_man6249
    @beastly_brisket_man6249 2 года назад +1

    You know a man been cookin BBQ a long time if he doesn’t flip the ribs upside down to cut em hahah.

  • @urtypicalguy
    @urtypicalguy Год назад

    Can i do this on my pellet smoker?

  • @OneTruth_PvP
    @OneTruth_PvP Год назад

    Ellos estan mirando muy rico alli. Gracias por el video y Dios te bendiga señor.

  • @sotballs28
    @sotballs28 Год назад +1

    Nice, I am trying to find me some of those pro pit char logs. Where can I buy some ?

    • @ArnieTex
      @ArnieTex  Год назад +1

      Propit bbq supply store 9563482012

    • @sotballs28
      @sotballs28 Год назад

      @@ArnieTex Thank you, Arnie ! I can’t wait to try these out !

  • @rocknjb9830
    @rocknjb9830 2 года назад +1

    What briquettes are you using?

    • @ArnieTex
      @ArnieTex  2 года назад

      Those are char logs, made from pure mesquite I am told, and sold here locally, they are made in Mexico.

  • @georgewatson3167
    @georgewatson3167 2 года назад +1

    What is APC OG for brine

    • @ArnieTex
      @ArnieTex  2 года назад

      American Pitmaster Company bbq rubs here www.pitmaster.us/
      OG, A perfect blend of sea salt, fresh cracked pepper and fresh granulated garlic, the ORIGINAL season all that has created the most wonderful eating experiences for every civilization, every country and every cuisine in the world. OG is also fantastic on vegetables, dips, salsas and over nearly every meal you can create in your kitchen. No free flow agents, no additives or fillers, just pure spg that brings out the natural flavor of any meat or dish.
      WOW was designed to give you that maximum one bite flavor experience, to impress friends, family and competition cook off judges alike. For the full WOW experience shake liberally on steaks, chops, burgers, fajitas and any meats that you cook at least 30-40 minutes before cooking, longer is even better for the maximum flavor. Also great on just about any dish you create in the kitchen, wonderful on veggies and fruit too. Shake it on and get WOW’d! WOW has sea salt, fresh cracked pepper and fresh granulated garlic a small amount of msg and spices.

  • @IzzyEatz
    @IzzyEatz 2 года назад +1

    Where do you buy that charcoal? What brand is it?

    • @ArnieTex
      @ArnieTex  2 года назад

      These guys are the owners and distributors for the brand , thank you
      Propit
      676 S. Jackson
      Edinburg Tx

  • @thejoyofboxing8805
    @thejoyofboxing8805 2 года назад +3

    Not a fan of the fall off the bone ribs
    This is perfect!!

  • @beefmista
    @beefmista 2 года назад +1

    What kind of charcoal were you using here?

    • @ArnieTex
      @ArnieTex  Год назад

      Propit char logs. 956-348-2012

  • @t-reyh5937
    @t-reyh5937 Год назад +1

    What part of Texas are you in?

  • @stephenbliss3952
    @stephenbliss3952 2 года назад +1

    Where did you get the wizard sauce? I haven't seen it since before COVID?

    • @ArnieTex
      @ArnieTex  2 года назад +1

      Contact Vince, or Jeff he's back in business and so is Jeff, they went separate ways now and both sell the sauce

    • @stephenbliss3952
      @stephenbliss3952 2 года назад +1

      @@ArnieTex that's great news, I had heard they went septate ways but that the business was in limbo.

  • @veronicabell6652
    @veronicabell6652 5 месяцев назад

    I don’t ever wrap my ribs, just keep the water pan full. But like your style❤

  • @brandoncherry1651
    @brandoncherry1651 Год назад +1

    Where is momma to slap ya with splatua....hehehe

  • @kalebbrown5916
    @kalebbrown5916 2 месяца назад

    I like when the bone slides out of the meat. Those looked close enough to that, but I can’t stand when I have to fight to get the meat off the bone, and that happens way too often when I get ribs somewhere.

  • @AlexGarcia-oe7eu
    @AlexGarcia-oe7eu 2 года назад +1

    Arney I challenge you to make a video on Spanish

  • @carrief1759
    @carrief1759 2 года назад +1

    Wooo doggies! 🔥🔥🔥

  • @juanalvarez610
    @juanalvarez610 Год назад +1

    What are you spritzing it with?

    • @ArnieTex
      @ArnieTex  Год назад +1

      Apple cider vinegar and water. 60/40

    • @juanalvarez610
      @juanalvarez610 Год назад +1

      @@ArnieTex thank you bro

  • @valluco9564
    @valluco9564 2 года назад +1

    El Arnie del 🌴956 VALLUCO saludos compadre

  • @clarkkent7924
    @clarkkent7924 Месяц назад +1

    You look like super mario bros 😂

  • @benitogarcia5751
    @benitogarcia5751 Год назад

    I agree with you when you say ribs should have a little tug .

  • @leonelmolinajr2
    @leonelmolinajr2 2 года назад +1

    Where can I get the charcoal?

    • @ArnieTex
      @ArnieTex  2 года назад

      Propit
      676 S. Jackson
      Edinburg Tx
      956-348-2012

  • @arth.4196
    @arth.4196 2 года назад +2

    Arnie,
    If I could Master your touch I could get a wife 😁

  • @JM-jq2sj
    @JM-jq2sj 2 года назад

    Where did you have button vents at ?

    • @JM-jq2sj
      @JM-jq2sj 2 года назад +1

      Sorry I meant.🤦‍♂️Where did you have bottom vents at ?

    • @ArnieTex
      @ArnieTex  2 года назад

      @@JM-jq2sj at about a 1/4 inch opened

  • @ralphhuesca4958
    @ralphhuesca4958 2 месяца назад

    What’s on the spray bottle?

  • @DCMae
    @DCMae Месяц назад

    What is the brine recipe?

  • @BoogityBarnes
    @BoogityBarnes Год назад +1

    Question: How could the brine be salty when no salt was added to it? You show...APC, brown sugar, lemon pepper, and water. How did they get salty? Am I missing something? You rinsed because ''a little bit too salty''. Thanks.

    • @ArnieTex
      @ArnieTex  Год назад +1

      The salt came from OG and the lemon pepper.

    • @BoogityBarnes
      @BoogityBarnes 5 месяцев назад

      I'm going to brine some today. Thank you. @@ArnieTex

  • @Batman-iq9fz
    @Batman-iq9fz Год назад +1

    👍

  • @fiveethamovement6649
    @fiveethamovement6649 Год назад

    Whats in a spritz?

  • @juniorm8815
    @juniorm8815 2 года назад +1

    And what is AOC OG.???

    • @markbrooks6979
      @markbrooks6979 2 года назад

      Salt, pepper and garlic

    • @ArnieTex
      @ArnieTex  2 года назад

      @Junior M OG, A perfect blend of sea salt, fresh cracked pepper and fresh granulated garlic, the ORIGINAL season all that has created the most wonderful eating experiences for every civilization, every country and every cuisine in the world. OG is also fantastic on vegetables, dips, salsas and over nearly every meal you can create in your kitchen. No free flow agents, no additives or fillers, just pure spg that brings out the natural flavor of any meat or dish.
      WOW was designed to give you that maximum one bite flavor experience, to impress friends, family and competition cook off judges alike. For the full WOW experience shake liberally on steaks, chops, burgers, fajitas and any meats that you cook at least 30-40 minutes before cooking, longer is even better for the maximum flavor. Also great on just about any dish you create in the kitchen, wonderful on veggies and fruit too. Shake it on and get WOW’d! WOW has sea salt, fresh cracked pepper and fresh granulated garlic a small amount of msg and spices.
      www.pitmaster.us/

  • @aaronpetrossian9673
    @aaronpetrossian9673 Год назад +1

    Is it possible to do this brine for 6 hours rather than 4 without having it cure the ribs?

    • @ArnieTex
      @ArnieTex  Год назад +1

      I've brined ribs for 10 hours and they have NEVER EVER been "cured" so the answer is yes.

    • @aaronpetrossian9673
      @aaronpetrossian9673 Год назад

      Thanks so much! About to try this out 😃 loving your content. Thanks for sharing your wisdom with us

  • @f.davidbush9093
    @f.davidbush9093 10 месяцев назад

    I thought he was Chech Marin

  • @juniorm8815
    @juniorm8815 2 года назад +1

    What's in the spritz???

    • @jeffstanhope4335
      @jeffstanhope4335 2 года назад +2

      Most of the time it's apple juice

    • @ArnieTex
      @ArnieTex  2 года назад +1

      @@jeffstanhope4335 and @Junior yes mostly apple juice but today its Water and apple cider vinegar, 60/40

  • @Ktheodoss
    @Ktheodoss Год назад +1

    Apparently I’m in the minority because I don’t like fall-off-the-bone ribs neither. I like it a bit of a chew.