Twin Peaks: The Return - How David Lynch Picked Up Where He Left Off
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In this video I look at one of the threads that binds the new season of Twin Peaks to the originals.
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It’s always important to remember that half of twin peaks is Mark Frost. Episode 8 is the perfect marriage of Mark and David. The information we gain is straightforward, and full of plot, with Davids view on the text. It’s the best episode of anything I’ve seen on television ever.
Agreed. Episode 8 is my favorite as well.
You are missing the point. It wasn't about the weirdness! It was about the all American small town culture and American characters that you American audience related with and loved entering the mystery with them which revolved around your All American girl Laura!! It was Frost's writing that made you engage emotionally with the story and characters and sense of humor - which all of Lynch's films lack. The new season is a pathetic dumb 3 year old incoherent mess trying to be weird for the sake of being weird which has nothing to do with the series. You people are just following Lynch like kettle and don't tell the truth about that bad director that everything he writes himself is a pile of pretentious garbage🤦♂️
I love episode 8 and understand it, but it's biased to call that episode straightforward. An average viewer would be thoroughly confused with what they just watched.
@@chrisjfox8715 good point. I’ve spent many hours daydreaming in Twin Peaks so I can see how it would be confusing for someone new to the show, or even a casual viewer.
For myself I found it amazing that there could be such a straight plot line through such a unique way of storytelling. It’s almost like exposition without words. For someone who is new to the series I can see how it would seem like the episode is out of left field. Although hopefully aesthetic enough to be interested in a deeper dive.
Absolutely. As Twin Peaks fans, we always praise the original series for being something "no one had ever seen before", but now that it's back, many fans want more of what they've already seen. I don't get it. If we define Twin Peaks as something like nothing that had been seen before it, then the new show has to be different, by definition.
No, that is not the point🤦♂️It wasn't about the weirdness you m0r0ns! It was about the all American small town culture and American characters that you American audience related with and loved entering the mystery with them which revolved around your All American girl Laura!! It was Frost's writing that made you engage emotionally with the story and characters and sense of humor - which all of Lynch's films lack. The new season is a pathetic dumb 3 year old incoherent mess trying to be weird for the sake of being weird which has nothing to do with the series. You people are just following Lynch like kettle and don't tell the truth about that bad director that everything he writes himself is a pile of pretentious garbage🤦♂️
Speaking as one of _those_ fans, it's because it was TOO different. The show was different than anything seen before, but it still had an identity. If you're going to make Twin Peaks, make Twin Peaks. If you're going to make something so different that most of the original characters have way less screentime, the town barely appears and the tone is way bleaker (and I remember the original show had plenty of bleakness, but this is just dialled up like crazy), then just make something else entirely.
Being anti-nostalgia is as bad as being all nostalgia. It often felt like Lynch and Frost were just screwing with us. Want Agent Cooper? Can't have him. Want Audrey? We're going to give her a storyline that goes nowhere and adds nothing to the main narrative. Want _any_ original characters to have any development at all? Well, I guess we'll make Bobby a cop now. Want the town of Twin Peaks itself, you know, the thing the show is named after? Can't have it. Want the humour and warmth of the old show? Well, you'll get way less of that here.
So wtf is this?!?
That was me for 18 episodes. At least, when I finally managed to finish it, years later.
Twin Peaks The Return was perfect, it made me so completely glad to be around as it aired. Sumptuous. Exactly what I needed and wanted.
Agreed!
Wtf??😅 It was about the all American small town culture and American characters that you American audience related with and loved entering the mystery with them which revolved around your All American girl Laura!! It was Frost's writing that made you engage emotionally with the story and characters and sense of humor - which all of Lynch's films lack. The new season is a pathetic dumb 3 year old incoherent mess trying to be weird for the sake of being weird which has nothing to do with the series. You people are just following Lynch like kettle and don't tell the truth about that bad director that everything he writes himself is a pile of pretentious garbage🤦♂️
@@EasternRomeOrthodoxy I’m not even American
@@themaypole Good, so you can tell it like it is: season 3 is a pile of incoherent pretentious boring garbage in the name of "art" which has nothing to do with the show, which shouldn't have continued when the actors were old anyway, and it is a prove that the only talent Lynch has is to destroy even the few nice things he was a part of. Pretentious old man
@@EasternRomeOrthodoxy I liked it.
Episode 8 is nothing short of historic. That viewership dropped is disappointing to me.
One hopes that for every person who bailed there will be 2 who's interest is peaked because of that.
completely agree, it is extremely rare, while consuming a piece of modern culture, to have that kind of "what the hell am i watching" reaction. He managed in that episode to engender confusion, beauty, narrative purpose and emotional engagement in a near speechless hour of television.
I'm glad Episode 8 caused such a still. I feel like it shed all those people who were hanging on for the Return to revert back to the "old" style Twin Peaks. There is already SO MUCH to debate about and discuss without that aggravating little pocket of people saying "this sucks! this is crap!"- It is fine if that is how you feel, but move on then.
I won't lie, I struggled with myself to accept the first few episodes, and after episode 12 I realize I'm still going to struggle from time to time, but Lynch is basically Tyler Durden telling you to let go of the steering wheel and just let it ride, let it happen. We all reactively try to grab the wheel when we feel it swerving to the shoulder, but then we stop ourselves and surrender.
Actually, there was a huge spike in viewership right after Episode 8.
I read all different stats. With streaming and such, it's not a matter of "what were Sunday's numbers?", they have to factor in who views it on Showtime? who later streams it? how many viewers started the season? what is the projected increase? what is the actual increase?
After Episode 8 there was a 2 week hiatus, which allowed for many of the binge watchers to catch up and continue on a weekly basis, so there will certainly be a spike after a break like that, but that doesn't really point to success or failure. There's talk of a possible Season 4, so I can't imagine the show is a failure, but most online sources say it has severely underwhelmed Showtime's expectations.
Numbers and stats mean sweet fa to most fans though. Judging from comment sections and such, Episode 8 ruffled feathers and was the last straw for many "on the fence" viewers, and I say good riddance!
I think Twin Peaks to David Lynch means New Era. The original season brought TV into a new era, that influenced then so many other shows and ways of telling a story, and he is about to do that again with The Return, although I think the impact will still not be as massive as the original to seasons. But part 8 shows us how it was a game changer in the series' story and the story's destination and path, and also in today's TV. And to add something to what you said about part 8, making the series lose some audience, I would say it lost some audience but to attract a new one, that might not be as big as the one who left, but who sure is more attracted to vanguard, change, and new ways on how to tell a story. I surely consider myself part of this group, because the innovation of David Lynch is what makes me sit every Sunday, at 9pm, on my couch, watching Showtime, and letting myself transported into that universe that I wished would last longed than only 55 minutes every week.
By the way I loved your video, thumbs up!!
I feel the same way. I was unsure about what Lynch would do with season 3, but now that I'm seeing it, I'm all in.
Thomas BINGHAM yes! I am part of the new audience. I am more now than ever in Lynch's movies, visual, and recording art.
I am a fan of the old Twin Peaks, and I love the new show a lot. I remember the original being so strange and weird back when it was new to TV, yet I was hooked. I am glad that David Lynch is not trying to regurgitate what was done back then, but instead continues to make the most unique thing that stands out among the rest. I love how the new season expands on the concepts, bringing it all to another level.
Keep telling yourselves, Lynch z0mbies. It wasn't about the weirdness! It was about the all American small town culture and American characters that you American audience related with and loved entering the mystery with them which revolved around your All American girl Laura!! It was Frost's writing that made you engage emotionally with the story and characters and sense of humor - which all of Lynch's films lack. The new season is a pathetic dumb 3 year old incoherent mess trying to be weird for the sake of being weird which has nothing to do with the series. You people are just following Lynch like kettle and don't tell the truth about that bad director that everything he writes himself is a pile of pretentious garbage🤦♂️
I always wondered what season 3 of Twin Peaks would have been like if it was not cancelled in 1991.
It sure wasn't that pretentious boring garbage that Lynch did with season 3 that's for sure. Mark Frost either was a wreck in name only or just went along with every dumb bullshit that Lynch wanted to do - the result is a pile of incoherent trash. Lynch's talent is to destroy even the few things he did that worth something. He is an old pathetic clown
Ironically I think it worked out for the best
Episode 8 of the new season of Twin Peaks is by far my favorite episode of television I have seen many many years. I ended up watching it on my iPad during a flight and I can only image what the people next to me must have thought when they glanced either at me and my screen.
Lynch would hate you for watching it on an ipad.
@@damienx0x it’s been 5 years since and I hate myself even more for it. I have in fact watched it on an huge screen since then and it was magnificent.
Great script and editing man
Thank you!
I just introduced a good friend to S1. He remarked that, even though he could now see how the influence of the show permeated the culture, it still felt unique to him. "Like a soap opera if it was made by an artist".
Yours: "Full-blown Lynch"
Some guy (I forget who) "Pure, uncut Lynch"
My version: "Lynch off the leash"
Excellent work, I thoroughly enjoyed this. Are you familiar with Joel Bocko's series of video essays on Peaks & Lynch? He's over at the LostintheMovies channel. Recommended, if you aren't already acquainted.
This was a really well thought out and put together video, thank you. And I completely agree with everything it expresses. I'd just like to add that Twin Peaks is certainly one of the best things to ever happen to me in my life, and I am so grateful and lucky to be alive to witness The Return.
This is The Return TO Twin Peaks, not really the Return OF Twin Peaks.
Many people don't understand that some things are just made for your experience, intuition and interpretation. Many people credit Mark Frost as the more "grounded" of the two showrunners, but you'd be surprised by how much he pushed for the story to go outside of the town of Twin Peaks. Lynch, on the other hand, wanted to continue doing his thing - the dreaminess and feeling.
The reason the Return is so bleak is the same as with the movie FWWM - the Laura murder mystery was forcibly solved. When that mystery was killed, so was the jazz music, cherry pie and coffee aspect of the original show. If the murder was never solved, as originally planned, there would never have been a new season 25 years later but a couple of quality seasons in the 1990s that we would look back on very fondly just like we do with most of the original run.
Twin Peaks the Return would've felt like a cheap cash cow and nostalgia machine if everything revolved around the same cast and tried to "revive" or "reboot" the old show. Lynch and Frost did the same thing as they did with the first show - wrote it together with artistic integrity, not a desire for fan-service.
Everyone's allowed to be disappointed, but the show is not anti-television. Instead, it's just art like the original show was. The reason it doesn't have soap opera elements is because soap operas are dead and gone, and instead replaced with binge-friendly shows that copy the original Twin Peaks formula of a continuing story with weird elements (Stranger Things, True Detective, Lost, X-Files etc. - all are offspring of Twin Peaks).
The Return may not have yet caused a revolution like the original did, maybe it never will, but it is definitely its own beast and in that way, it stayed true to the original. Nothing has to be explained to you, you just have to experience it and that is Lynch's creative philosophy in a nutshell. Even he doesn't subscribe to a concrete story in his works, he just has his own interpretation like everyone else and it isn't more or less valid than what we think when we watch his stuff.
Music-wise, Badalamenti and Lynch composed it all together just like in the original, but the tone was very ambient because Twin Peaks without Dale Cooper, Major Briggs and Laura Palmer (the forces for good) have been missing and it turned the place into a nightmare (kinda like Deer Meadow after the death of Teresa Banks in FWWM). That's why everything is so bleak and sterile - the forces for good have been absent for 25 years and the Return means Cooper going back to fix everything, only in the end to find out that once he returns Laura, the original show and continuity are now dead - that's why they end up in the "real" world in the final episode.
The Return isn't an easy and entertaining watch all the way through, but it is far from disappointing and I am glad that Lynch and Frost didn't sell out. They gave us some of the old cast, some of the town of Twin Peaks and some of the old charm, while providing a totally new thing that further pushes the boundaries of television and cinema and that is the same mission statement of the original show - that's why the Return absolutely kicks ass. That's why 3 years after initially watching it, I still think about it. It's just that strong of an experience and artwork.
Such a captivating show. David Lynch is an incredible artist.
Perfect video. This return is pretty breathtaking
Honestly don't think i've ever watched a better review/think piece ever, describes the show and my feelings for the show perfectly
Well written. Surrealism is alive and well! So much so that Dali has been exhumed! Coincidence? Best thing on TV!
Great video, best describes Twin Peaks both original and The Return.
It didn't feel weird when watching this as a teenager, it felt like the only real tv program.
Agreed 100%. Back in the day Twin Peaks felt like it was revealing the multi-layered, odd, incomprehensible and uncomfortable realities of life. Finally, the rose colored glasses were removed and we experienced things as they really are. It was never about the story. It was about the feeling.
Well I guess that makes Twin Peaks a sci-fi series. It definitely is to me.
Love TP!
Great video -- thank you! Some comments: 1 - IMHO the original series was subject to network "limitations" and began to suffer when Frost/Lynch left the show (after Laura Palmer's killer was revealed) to do other things. This was resented by some of the cast, who refused to appear in the "Fire Walk with Me" movie. And Mark Frost, an experienced and well regarded writer, never got the credit he deserved for "tethering" the show to some kind of accessible reality, which a pre-internet pre-amazon pre-time-shifting audience needed to keep the ratings going (remember Nielsen, anyone?). The Original series also cleared the way for the spate of "quirky" series (Northern Exposure being the most successful), which might otherwise have remained in the TV Network development cycle. Also IMHO, the new series is as ground-breaking as the old -- but in a difference context. The Return (or whatever it's real name is) turns everything about TV nostalgia on it's head, and did it from the very first frame. Most of the time I have little or no idea what is happening -- and yet I am completely emotionally engaged. A masterpiece.
your editing and analysis is excellent and you need to get back to making more videos. don't get discourages, you absolutely have the quality and talent. You've got a new subscriber.
Great review. I'm a huge David Lynch and Twin Peaks fan and you got it right. Let's hope the rumours that he's shooting a new film turn out to be true.
The Return could never have happened without the first two seasons (obviously, but bear with me...) because Lynch needed to make the story palatable to the masses. He needed to ease us in. Had he started with a show more like FWwM, people in that day and age would have hated it (mostly). But the show allowed us to ease in, FWwM shook things up and pissed people off and really should have gotten rid of the people who were not all in, but I feel like a lot of them came into the Return hoping FWwM was a fluke, but it wasn't. In fact, it was itself a primer to prepare us for what would be, as people describe it:The Pure Unrefined Lynch version of Twin Peaks.
I believe, if he could have, David Lynch would have been this dark and this obtuse had he been given free reign all the way back in 1990- and that would have been a disaster.
Cyril Another thing to remember is that there were many writers and directors involved other than Frost and Lynch, right from the beginning. If that wasnt the case, the first few episodes would have looked like FWWM like you pointed out, and the show probably would have been cancelled by episode 3. The ratings for the Return have been so low that if it was being aired on a network or basic cable tv, they would have had to pull it already.
It's true that there were many directors and writers for the original run. But it's a bit misleading to imply that those other minds created what we know as Twin Peaks. Mark Frost and David Lynch penned the pilot together and mapped out an arc for the first 7 hours. David Lynch directed the pilot and established the mood that was supposed to be emulated by the other directors. That pilot and the subsequent first season was created almost entirely in a vacuum with little to no interference at all from the network. David Lynch also directed the 3rd (or 2nd depending on how you count) episode of the series where arguably the most iconic moments from the early run occurred. The other directors, especially in season 1, did a pretty fantastic job of keeping up that rhythm. Season 2, again began with Lynch directing another 90 minutes of the show; and again it included some of the most memorable moments and laid the framework for what followed. Lynch directed the second episode of season 2 as well again creating some of the most poignant moments of the show in just 47 minutes. The other directors did their best maintaining that unique style for a few more episodes until Lynch returned again to direct one of the finest hours of television ever produced. Most people recall the Lynch directed pilot as the perfect culmination of all things Twin Peaks. I view episode 7 of season 2 as the heart of Twin Peaks. All the magic, cherry pie, the characters, the whacky humor that is presented in the most unrelatable way, the pain, the donuts and the love were in that episode. Things began to fall apart a few episodes after 7 when they started calling it in with other directors and writers that weren't interested in the mythology that was, unbeknownst to viewers, the most interesting part of the show. There was a return to form in the final six episodes of the second season; likely do to the fact that Lynch and Frost were suddenly hanging around the set again and writers like Harley Peyton and Robert Engels who were in the know about the mythology were back penning the scripts. My point is, that to imply that Lynch having full control somehow detracted from what made Twin Peaks great is not only inaccurate but it's misleading to people who haven't discovered the show yet because it's not actually true. Now, I understand if you connected with what the studio imposed on the show more than what Lynch inferred, but that's a far cry from what you actually said. I assure you that everyone of those other writers and directors you're referring to would give anything to take credit for what what we know as Twin Peaks but I bet if you asked them they'd say "I can't take credit for that. That was Mark and David."
And according to Showtime The Return isn't exactly a failure.
www.buzzfeed.com/kateaurthur/the-twin-peaks-ratings-are-actually-good?.qiqGJ7r6e#.klGLp2ZA3
www.vulture.com/2017/05/twin-peaks-ratings-werent-good-who-cares.html
A beautiful disaster
I think your analysis is a bit off. I loved everything about Twin Peaks and FwwM is my favorite Twin Peaks media yet I hated the Return
Very cool video and the edit!
Thanks, I felt especially good about the flow and pacing of this essay!
Completely agree with the magic the restraints of network TV created in the original.
I fucking love this show.
Just watching The Return right now, and I gotta say that episode 8 has been the only one that never annoyed me once. Beautiful piece of art.
Forget about episode 8 for once ok? Just tell it like it is: season 3 is a pile of incoherent pretentious garbage that could only be created by Lynch cuz he is a m0r0n who knows only to be weird to look smart lol
@@EasternRomeOrthodoxy You have your opinion. I have mine. I like mine better.
Episode 8 was my favorite so far. It was the part that made me lean in. It was like watching Eraserhead 2. It was perfect.
1990, what a Year.
Twin Peaks may not be as out of this world compared to other shows currently, compared to the 90's with the original, but this new season has many answers for what happened in the 1st 2nd season episodes. Which is awesome.
Great video, by the way. Very well spoken, well edited, well thought out..
I have been enjoying the new season so much. I was in medical school during the first and second seasons but watched some and did not escape the cultural impact of the show. The new show has some of the same ideas but is even more unhinged and deeply disturbing. In other words, it's wonderful. Sit back and enjoy it like some fever dream you never asked for.
Awesome video! Episode eight is the only episode I ever watched five times back to back to back! That episode melted my face. Got a light wow wow
Lynch's crowning achievement is bringing James back to sing "Just You" at the Roadhouse. Real talk, though. This was a great video analysis. I'm new to Twin Peaks and finished season 3 not but a week ago. I just love the universe so much. There's really nothing like it.
I'm SO glad you did an episode on Twin Peaks!!
So this was released the day after Episode 12 aired. Episode 8 had me feeling disconnected/excited as NO ONE was watching it that I knew as a contemporary. I have had the unique gift of seeing many of Lynchś work on the Screen beginning w Eraserhead.
I think Lynch has taken this opportunity to connect every thing he has ever done in film with the TP Universe - like Stephen King has done w the Dark Tower. I wish I knew there were people as obsessed a Lynchś iconography and Symbology. Was his Universe created at Los Alamos?? Does ZZ Top really have healing properties? Questions and more questions.
I have a very hot/cold reaction to The Return. I admit, I am completely transfixed and enthralled, and much of it is genuinely genius. However, about 20-30% of it feels like filler to me. I dont know if it needed to be 18 episodes. Seems more like a 12 episode story being told here. On the other hand, the OG Peaks, up until the Laura Palmer murder was solved, was a back to back, essential, and perfect run.
You're being generous with the percentage. What bothers me is that are so many great story-lines and characters that could be developed further and air time is wasted on monotonous and boring scenes. There are only 5 episodes left, so I don't know if we're going to have some sort of resolution to the amalgamation that has become the plot. It would probably take a couple seasons more, something I don't know if it will happen at all...
To me 1st season of twin peaks was superior since it got that great weird vibe and all the lynch stuff while stil lbeing really coherent and easy to watch. I love new season but I don't feel the climate of the ''good cinema'' like I did in 1st season.
Actually I liked episode 8, but some of the episoodes after seemed way worse.
good job as usual thomas
Appreciate it.
Great analysis and insight. You really nailed the big picture here I think. Not easy to disect lynch but I think you hit upon the right conclusions...
The castle on top of the rock in the middle of the ocean where the fireman and Señorita Dido were is now an Apple Store. It was filmed in the old Tower Theater in downtown Los Angeles, which is no more.
I think you're dead on with that analysis. I actually didn't like a lot of the corny stuff in the original season. For some reason it makes me feel uncomfortable. This season doesn't do that to me in the same way. Thanks for putting this analysis out here.
When I very first started watching the 1st season back in the 90's, I said out loud to myself, "Is this a movie about a young lady being molested by her father, or much more? It was, & is much more. 💜
Another element of Twin Peaks that I find to be a reason why I feel in love with it is the Shakespearian tragedy that is the loss of our dear Dale Cooper, and the question we are left with. Will we ever get the same Twin Peaks that we once knew?
The new season, and the series itself, is very relevant to our existence. It is a depiction of our lives.
The return is by far the most interesting television show to me. It is so mysterious and again, it is so easy to fit into the show. Absurdism at its finest.
I love your TP incite Thomas Flight. Thank you!
Love the vid. Keep 'em coming!
Well done. Subscribed.
Amazing emotional idea of what we were gifted with new season
Nice job explaining as it is a very difficult thing to expound on !!
To me, the further along I got with Twin Peaks, it felt like the town was just paving over its own shady underbelly, which barely paved over the supernatural/extra dimensional underbelly.
Once we started seeing things like mystical caves, mentions of evil cults and possible demons, there was never any going back.
Even less so with Fire Walk With Me.
I wasn’t expecting exactly what we got from The Return, but I never expected paternity arcs, and Civil War re-enactments because that Band Aid was long pulled off.
Thanks!
The return was "Eraser Head The Show" with a twin peaks theme
Great video essay!
Yes Tom. More or Less Yes, Tom! Yes!
pisode 8 of the return season is my favorite, probably because I'm an experimental/new music composer myself. David Lynch going wild on that scene with the bomb explosion along with the use of Penderecki's "Threnody to the victims of Hiroshima" caught me off-guard and I was so amazed and excited to watch it.
As someone who doesn’t watch much TV and is able to appreciate something for time is was put out in - even if it’s years after it’s original release date - I assure you, the original twin peaks is still VERY unique compared to most of what most people would come across while flipping channels. Btw I hear a lot of people use the
Same line or similar “I’m surprised showtime allowed episode 8.”, but no one goes into WHY they are surprised. In my all my viewing of Twin Peaks I have only saw one scene that I was surprised was on television. SPOLIER AHEAD: When Bob kills Maddy. Idk what tv was like in the 90s but that was disturbing. It was super violent or sexual but with the sound design and lighting effects added it was very unsettling. I remember seeing and thinking “how did you get away with this in a time before shows like Sopranos. I think twin peaks was public television at the time too, where as I believe you had to pay a subscription to HBO. I’m just wondering what was shown in episode 8 that made it much different than what you could see on TV today. Not to mention Twin Peaks the return was not a public showing, you had to have Showtime. Maybe yo can get away with more of the network is getting a subscription.
I am a new Twin Peaks fan. I didn't watch the original series so my experience of the show is different from fans of the original. As Thomas said he liked The original 70/30 combination of TP regular to weird, I am more drawn to its opposite 30/70. The quirky nature of the original is okay and I love the comedy in both the original and new seasons. But my favorite scenes are those occurring in the Red Room. Episide 8 was practically a religious epiphany for me. The succeeding episodes have been a bit of a let down only because ep 8 struck such a chord that I was left wanting more. It was the highest art in television I have ever seen. I am now trying not to expect any duplication of my ep 8 experience, but to enjoy the show as presented. I think that is best and I am sure more surprises await us.
I hope you do a follow-up video after the masterpiece of television ends (unfortunately). There is the possibility of a fourth season, but we can only hope.
To me original Twin Peaks does not hold up, but I love this new season, because it got rid of all 90s soap opera elements and went full blown Lynch. I also feel like episode 8 is one of his best work as a filmmaker, up there with Eraserhead.
Ellionart I can't agree that OG Peaks doesn't hold up because certain moments are absolutely timeless. But I can get behind the idea of part 8 being up there with his finest hours.
Ellionart Oh but to be clear, I totally get why you said that.
agree, rewatched them back in spring as preparation, and what surprised me was how well they held up. Of course the photography might look a little dated, but thats nitpicking. And i was struck by how good FWWM was, and how important it was as part of the backstory.
I can see why someone who is a fan of the new season would not care for the original. I think calling the current one "Season 3" and "The Return" was just a way to get Showtime to greenlight and pay for a new project, and to tap into the Twin Peaks audience for potential viewers.
Being on cable has certainly allowed him to take it to places he couldn't with the original. He can really go full out Lynch now. And he's also directing every episode, unlike the original.
The best TV ever. By a mile. Full stop, new paragraph.
Midway Season 2 of original Twin Peaks, things started to get too goofy, and I much enjoyed how Fire Walk With Me brought back the spirit of what I originally felt Twin Peaks should have move forward to: increased drama. The new show alas seems to suffer the same problem, too much goofyness past episode 8. Also it is clearly influenced by the drier vibe of more recent Lynch films, away from the romantic aura of Twin Peaks that was so charming. I will only know at the end if I like it or not, as Lynch until now always succeeded in turning nonsense into a certain sense, but if it ends with just nonsense than, ok, it will feel like the cadavre exquis version of a sitcom, coldly admirable for its audacity but not exactly enthralling as a whole except for a collection of favorite scenes (episode 3 I recall contained some favorites of mine).
I see you 25 years later what a prediction of lynch
Does it really matter if I type first?
Great commentary.
Thank you!
Episode 8...yessssss 🤣🤣🤣
You are spot on. Even better than the original!
In a way Twin Peaks is Lovecraftian. The good guys have almost no hope of winning. I have no idea what's going to happen in the rest of Season 3, but does anyone truly believe that Gordon, Cooper, Hawk, and whoever have any chance against BOB, against the Woodsman, against The Experiment? No. Whatever happens, the forces of evil will win.
Excellent commentary. It's refreshing to hear someone admit that maybe they got it wrong at first. I certainly did.
It's very strange, the new season is what I was afraid it was going to be, but it turns out, that's exactly what it should be.
Thomas Flight Wow haha, you articulated my thoughts and feelings exactly. I didn't have the exact same experience as you with the original run; for me I was in love with the pure Lynch moments and turned off by the rest of it. Upon rewatches of the series and Fire Walk With Me I grew an appreciation for all aspects of the show. Me and my girl rewatched it all (her second time, my fourth or fifth) during the three months leading up to the premiere of The Return and it was the most delightful and meaningful experience I've had with Twin Peaks yet. I was back and forth for the months leading up; one day I'd say "it'll be his best work" then the next I'd say "Things are different now. Lynch and Frost don't stand a chance out here." I remember seeing the premiere of The Return and feeling sick. It wasn't quite Inland Empire but it wasn't quite Twin Peaks either. It didn't help that I'm watching it on Showtimes awful streaming service that looks like shit and gave me the first two parts separately. But even after I saw part 1 and 2 as one piece on a download and enjoyed it a lot more I was still on the edge. To be honest, I didn't really start accepting it for what it is until part 10 I think? Whichever one ended with No Stars. I'm fully settled in now and I can't wait to see and feel where we go next. Even more so, I can't wait to rewatch The Return from the new perspective I'll have at the end. I feel so lucky to be a part of this experience.
Leigh Sturgeon Oh my God, No Stars, that song was magical! It really got to me more than any other song!
Showtime might always be remembered as the cable channel that let David Lynch make 18 hours of whatever he wanted. You're right, we're lucky to be getting this experience.
Thomas BINGHAM, for some reason my phone didn't notify me of your comment. But me too man. It fuckin broke my heart. I'm so happy that you felt the same thing. No stars man, not this time.
Very well done. I just made a video about the older seasons!
To me, the Return looks/feels/sounds like it fits more into the universe of Mulholland Drive than the universe of the original Twin Peaks. That's not a bad thing. I love Mulholland Drive and seeing more in that universe was/would be great!
yea.fully agree with your emotions..he is pushing the envelope, I like to drink it full and descend. ;-ç
No other show will ever be good enough for me after this. I really hope it gets a fourth season.
i think it's easy to imagine that this is where the show's plot would be and how it would look if it had been on continuously all these years. like any soap opera, characters would have changed and new storylines would have started. many events took place while we weren't watching and technology and the viewer's expectations have changed as well. imagine something like the difference between classic Doctor Who and the current show.
The latest episode may be the best episode of the season.
4:32 Actually, it does. (But I don't watch TV, Twin Peaks is an exception and I watch it streaming).
The red (green) room has a zigzag pattern like an electrical wave. The actors wait and go through a curtain (red) to go on stage. And the actor's becoming aware that it's just a play get stuck, like Phillip Jeffreys?👍🙂🤔
We live inside a dream.
Laura is the one.
you put into words what I was trying to figure out, I think the show needed the restraint that the networks imposed., Ioved the weirdness and the soapy elements that the original show had along with the darkness juxaposed against the quirkiness of the town, the things I'm disappointed in , in the new season is the fact that much of it doesn't even take place in Twin Peaks and that the original characters haven't been utilized or really even featured , I thought they would center on the town using the old characters while introducing new characters and that the storyline would be more cohesive. Sadly to my dismay that hasn't happened
This is my favorite kind of comment to get! I love helping people articulate what they're already thinking.
I've just bulk watched the first 12 episode and am eagerly anticipating the next installment. Hope it's an improvement from episode 12 though.
Great argument. I'd love to provide Portuguese subtitles to this video to be able to send it to some friends of mine haha.
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Excellent!!👍👍
Those endless donuts.
how about that scene in the bar where a guy is just sweeping the floor for 10 minutes?
And then there's a passing comment about crime, and you realize the racket that involved laura palmer and other young women in the town to their demise is still going on, and you realize nothing has changed, justice isnt served. And the guy just keeps sweeping floor.
Somebody did a whole essay just on that shot. It’s good.
For someone who can't explain why you like TP, you explain it rather well. 👒
Twin Peaks is just better than all the other "weird" shit.
thoroughly enjoying the new run, and suspect that Lynch is making the story he always wanted to, by and large. Nevertheless, it still nags away at me that the constrained earlier run worked so well precisely because of its constraints, whereas the more sprawling recent run may in the end not add up to more than the sum of its parts.
The charm and wit is largely absent, and the sense of narrative continuity is a bit weaker as we jump around between the myriad characters. So yes, the various threads are drawing together, albeit slowly, but lets postpone judgement until all 18 are done
Despite the above, there have been a few priceless moments over and above the magical episode 8, especially involving Dougie and Janey E. Hats off to both actors, Naomi Watts has been a joy.
Twin Peaks! Woohoo!
Got a light?
question:
when evil coop says "bye son" after that hit&run kidkiller exploded, think hes being litteral, since that guy knew he was fbi from a framed* picture of cooper his mom has, cause after the bank bomb coma coop conducted coitus with her since good coop would never do so?
lynchs also older,
with years and years of dreams & progressively deeper meditation to draw from.
a ladder analogy isnt good enough, more like depth leagues, the pressure increases not because your going down more but cause of the weight of everything above pushing down. miles of expirence.
Episode 8 what Lynch think?
Twin Peaks it's not a show, it's a GENRE!
I'd say Twin Peaks is more 'Uncanny', than... "weird"
SO POSTMODERN, MODERN POST IS EMAIL.
I still afraid once again David Lynch left us with cliffhanger ending. Because new Twin peaks araise so many questions but still didn't get one answer
Actually, I think it has a perfect ending. I think its a lot more hardcore than all of the other Lynchian endings and that's a good thing. I think I have a lot of questions too but that only makes it better because I also have plenty of answers.
thanks for the video. only question is how is it that your voice sounds so similar to all those other guys who make similar types of videos? just a big coincidence... or something else?
The viewer ship for the new season has never been "good". It's impossible to compete against established TV juggernauts like Game of Thrones. This shouldn't take away anything from the series. It's artistic and pushes the envelope in unorthodox ways. That, in addition to community discussions after episodes, is what I will remember The Return for. It's a journey, an odyssey of sorts.
The revival was a big miss and disappointment for me.
Twin Peaks: The Return, I thought was a train wreck. So dumb, hardly anyone watched this new series. I like the original first season back in 1990, but after the "who dunnit" was salved lynch lost his way.... it became drab...
you are so absurdly wrong and retarded holy shit
This video and narration sucks. For those of us who are not 20 something it's actually annoying. The original was genius and so is season 3.
"weird" is an unbelievably lazy term to use if you´re making a video about something.
I have to disagree, there are many shows trying to copy twin peaks, but they fail, and I want more twin peaks, so stop trying to be like twin peaks and be twin peaks dammit, shows try to take the weird and dark but always forget the humor the familiar
my god season three is bad t.v.