The Anti-Everything Tank Gun
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- Опубликовано: 28 июн 2022
- In a previous video, we took a look at the US Army's Medium Caliber Anti-Armor Automatic Cannon (MCAAC) program. Built by Ares Inc., the 75mm XM274 cannon built for the program was incredibly impressive, featuring roughly 105mm performance and milti-role capability. The Ares gun was ultimately deemed inadequate, however, and the 105mm M35 cannon was chosen for future light vehicles. In the early 2000s, the concept of a rapid firing gun using cased telescoped ammunition was revived, this time for the Future Combat Systems program. It was called MRAAS, the Multi-Role Armament & Ammunition System. Influenced heavily by the XM274, the MRAAS cannon sought to take its multi-role capability to the extreme.
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Sources:
US Future Combat & Weapon Systems Handbook - Volume 1 - US Army Future Combat Systems Development
ADA468799 MULTI-ROLE ARMAMENT & AMMUNITION SYSTEM (MRAAS) CANNON
Multi-Role Armament & Ammunition System (MRAAS) Weapon Stabilization Assessment
Technical Report ARAEW-TR-08008 RAVEN TANK MAIN ARMAMENT DEMONSTRATOR
COMBUSTIBLE CASED 105 MM AMMUNITION DEVELOPMENT - IN SUPPORT OF THE ARMY TRANSFORMATION
RTO-MP-AVT-108 Multi-Role Armament & Ammunition System (MRAAS) Cannon
Lessons from the Army's Future Combat Systems Program - RAND Corporation
The Crusader Artillery System: Hearing Before the Committee on Armed Services
Commerce Business Daily, Issues 2902-2924
Transformational Science And Technology For The Current And Future Force - Proceedings of the 24th US Army Science Conference
FCS Multi-Role Armament and Ammunition ATD (MRAAS) Guns & Ammunition Symposium
Field Artillery - March/April 2002
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I imagine the enviornmentally friendly characteristic was something they said because they knew they were thinking caseless rounds that won't leave debris in the enviornment. And also to say they don't want it to be toxic as hell.
My first thought was as deadly as possible , less humans is more environmentally friendly , though that's a bit of a dark thought :/
You are right though , the thought of the army thinking of how shell cases would impact the environment never crossed my mind
Well, if they actually would want it to be environmentally friendly, then they wouldn’t use DU ammunition in the first place.
@@valeriucb6497 lol shell casings are bad, but all those Soviet tanks that cooked off ammo in the Rheinland are fine
@@generalolivervonbismarck393 generally speaking, it's easier to find and clean up every tank vs every shell casing, if the cases are made of polymers that can break down into toxic chemicals like carcinogens that's a diplomatic incident waiting to happen, best shift responsibilities to arms dealers with a blanket term like environmentally friendly
Environmentally friendly is because the military has to actually shoot this stuff to train in the continental United States as well. I.E. it has to use ranges. I.E. it needs to keep those ranges habitable for the soldiers, sailors, airmen, and Marines that use them, and it's bound by the EPA. It's also a great way to politically promote a fantastic tactical weapon.
The same was done with the M855A1 5.56 round, which is just silly amounts more lethal than the previous round, got similar ballistics out of the carbine that previous rounds got out of the full length rifle, etc.
Cleaning ranges and training areas is expensive. So is the VA.
Combustible cases?
Reject brass
Return to paper cartridge
return to muscle power
@@genericscottishchannel1603 Reject bow, return to atlatl
@@drearyplane8259 Reject range, return to club.
@@n147258noah reject club, return to fists
@@AltF4OuttaHere Reject fists, return to flipper arms
I’m fairly certain the 88mm flak gun was also referred to by allied troops as the ‘Anti-Everything Gun’ at one point, with it being used for anti-air, anti-tank, indirect fire artillery and (rarely) anti-personnel.
yeah and that thing is pretty much everywhere too, it's on a ship, a tank, on the field and on a plane
...anti-personnel?
What kind of madlad would do such a thing?
@@csbr75 the kind who have a bunch of angry allied troops closing in on their gun with no prime movers or fuel to move the big heavy thing.
Dont forget it got mounted on ships too!
Allied troops had a habit of thinking any incoming ordnance originated from an 88.
Ah yes, the venerable AC10. It's good to see you finally covering Battletech, it's such an under appreciated settin... what do you mean by "it's a real gun"?!
Who knows, maybe there's a company out there working on an AC5.
@@t3rraria836 it's already installed on HSTVL.
Clearly Spookston is a Davion
@@t3rraria836 I sure hope they remember to put in a special fuse so it doesn't have any effect at ranges beyond 540m
@@rotwang2000 Of course. We can't have it outranging an AC2, can we?
“…what’s the point in having a military if your planet is uninhabitable?”
The Kreig would disagree
You should do live commentary on Arcade battles that would be pretty funny lol
At least cas and p2w helis aren't really a thing in arcade...
@@AlreadyTakenTag CAS *is* a thing there aswell, sadly
@@bickboose9364 less broken tho tbh
@@databite2549 Less broken but very random. You could choose fighter option but spawn as ground attacker without the ground attack weapons
@@databite2549 true, but still annoying
The idea of a biodegradeable tank shell is making me lose my goddamn mind. "Is this war crimes machine ethically sourced? Was this made with free-range depleted uranium?"
It's usually just buzzword marketing. Engineers design a product, then pass it off to marketing who are either clueless about the technical features, or are actively dumbing down their sales pitches to appeal to someone who is. As a result they emphasize coincidental features like the biodegradability of casings over the actual design priorities that led to them.
Armored vehicles are cramped and it is a good idea not to have toxins building up inside them. It could limit the crew's fighting effectiveness.
Then there is the practice range, where officers spend a good deal of time. You don't want to lose a veteran officer prematurely due to preventable health issues
Well actually such a concept works well. After all we have developed spiders that can spin literal bulletproof webs that are hyper thin. Now upscale that. And apply it to takes. They will be many many times stronger than any vehicle that exists. Probably even blocking the most ridiculous AP artillery rounds.
The impact will still probably kill the crew though.
There is indeed no point in having a military if the earth is uninhabitable
Shell casing materials aren't going to have any tangible effect on that. Nevermind that most (if not all) of the modern environmentalism lobby isn't about the Earth's environment.
@@cstgraphpads2091 ?
@@cstgraphpads2091 I am pretty sure that if casing were made out of lead pretty sizeable ammounts of water could be poisoned, which can be very problematic in a place like Iraq.
The death korp of Krieg would like to have a word with you.
@@8kokorika8 Still a tiny amount, compared to lithium or lead in batteries. If they want an eco-friendly tank, then they should buy carriages.
I love these cancelled late cold war projects. They're all ridiculously ambitious but they're a peek into what we can produce if we really set our mind to it and with the funding.
war is a great motivator and with ww3 around the corner it will be interesting to see how far we are pushed again in technology
@@TrenchCoatDingo oh boy NATO is about to discover that not only russian tanks are old as hell, but also theirs And in the hard way
Thats what you get for neglecting your military lol
@@lil__boi3027 is any weapon outdated if everything it fights is too?
@@secondlayer7898 yes, because others upgrade their gear and build new one not just keep old stuff
If NATO will not do the same they will simply be behind, im very happy projects like the 130mm reinmetall and KF51 exist, but NATO armies also need to actually buy them in numbers if they want to improve
@@lil__boi3027 Who are those supposed others? the russians with their T14 that they still can't mass produce ? The only nato country that didn't continously upgrade their MBT's was the Uk (until recently) everyone else that could afford to do so did and even those that couldn't afford massive upgrades still spend money on a couple upgrades or developed their own (turkey being an example).
Also given that the US allready went through 2 or 3 proposed ''abrahams replacement'' programs (that didn't result in anything because of the cost and the lack of a need) before the T-14 even was announced and that the french and germans have been working on the MGCS since 2016 i dont think anyone on Natos side is about to discover anything. They're aware of it otherwhise the largest military of the world wouldn't be continuously looking at replacements for their MBT and neither would the 2 by far biggestground based arms exporting nations in Europe if they didn't see any flaw in the current systems.
"There's no point having a military if the Earth is uninhabitable"
Fallout would beg to differ
Life finds a way, and war never changes
the death korps of krieg coming out of is treanch
ANGRY GAS MASK
war never changes man that line gets me so mad it couldn't be more wrong it always changes
Conceptually, war never changes: people dying needlessly and violence breeding violence, and all of that jazz.
How war is waged; always evolves or devolves pending to the situation.
@@justjoking5841 not all wars
are needless and no one died in The Kettle War
@@jakebarger4375 All of those pots, all of that boiling... How could so many good eggs be shamelessly lost or cracked, and not come out of that conflict hardboiled?
Looooool
Man FCS had some questionable assumptions going into the basic vehicle designs. Like the low armor protection in lieu of a smattering of sensors.
But damn did it have some interesting weapon systems designed across the whole program. Kinda sad that none ever got adopted or even modified for use in other platforms.
Well except for maybe the Next gen Abrams new gun..
@bob bobthebobbobofbobby yeah, one of the reasons why the AIM-260 development (AIM-120 AMRAAM replacement) has been so quick was likely because Lockheed could leverage the knowledge gained from a slew of research data from never to be/eventually cancelled designs of the 2000s/2010s for air to air missiles
@@moonbear2130 SLAMRAAM
Maybe the Army could make better use of these weapon systems if they tried developing a modular remote weapon station designed to fit with the existing Stryker vehicle (like the 30mm and 105mm guns they added to it) instead of building a whole new armored vehicle around it. That way, if the gun itself fails irredeemably in development, it doesn't compromise a larger system of systems, nor does the experimental gun rely on the sucess of a whole new vehicle.
FCS had low armor because they wanted "deployability" or the ability to fly on a C-130 cargo plane. They nixed that and used it to the bigger C-17, but they still needed to fit in the GIC train tunnel. It was also dreamed up pre-heavy EID threat. Then the next new program was GCV, which was basically Abrambs weight troop carrier. I worked on both programs as a suspension designer.
So Ukraine is proving quite handedly that having good sensors is far more important then armor with modern anti armor weapons. If one should be traded it should be armor for sensors. He who see and shoots accurately first is usually winning the engagement period.
As soon as you mentioned all the things it would do I thought "alright which was it? Too expensive or hard to maintain?"
both? both
"Anti-Everything"
Imagine being shot down in your space craft from a ballistic cannon on the ground
UNSC be like: damn, we'll take your entire stock.
they actually have done that, and tested guns to do so, though my research thus far was they were using repurposed(and pieced together multiple) battleship gun barrels to do so.
@@josephdedrick9337 sweet now the Space force would actually have something do
Depending how literally you interpret the term, imagine having your planet shot down... somehow.
@@Leonidas1210vc The Space Force is busy guiding your DoorDash driver to your ungrateful ass
not gonna lie, 75% of the time, I was watching him scoring frags here and there instead of listening about the weapon
His tactics and strategies are so satisfying to watch
Tank talk aside: can we all agree how stupid that BMP (1:31) was for pushing that corner? Lmao
"I gOt gIAjInEd!!1"
Average bmp2m player
You can tell that was a wallet warrior, that kind of player has room temperature iq, maybe even lower.
Russian players do that alot because they've been led to believe they can just hold W.
He had a giant "Z" sprayed on the front, that kinda explains it.
Issue with versatility of a weapon or weapon platform always lies in compromise. You basically can't get a universal thing without sacrificing certain aspects - these are often cost, protection, reliability, complexity, maintenance or... most importantly - performance.
Suddenly, I'm reminded of the Bradley from Pentagon Wars...
Damn... the first clip you showed in your clip, you sure it's the MRAAS cannon? When I first saw this footage years ago, I had no idea what it was even with some digging, my best guess was that it's the BTERM round for the 5 inch mk45 naval gun.
I don't think it is, I just needed a clip of a gun firing
ANSR/BTERM is correct.
spookston stops talking about ARES projects for 5 minutes challenger (very hard)
When missread the title as "The Anti-Everything Gun" I was immediatly thinking of the 88mm Flak :D
Are you an ...
Aircraft ?
- _bonk_
_B o a t_ ?
- _bonk_
Tank ?
- *boom*
I had the exacted same thought about the video's title and the 88mm Flak,
I get what you mean but those are just 3 things, when I think of Anti-Everything, I think of Everything, not just 88mm spam on Bombers, Supply Boats, and Anti Bunker ammunition that works surprisingly well on Tanks.
A Anti-Everything gun to me would be the Davy Crockett Missile Launcher. The thing that inspired the Fat Man.
Disappointed: I thought you meant the 12"/305mm gun firing tactical nuclear rounds, which are quite effective against most targets.
It's almost like every time the U.S. Army tries to get a 'I want it to do everything with no drawbacks" weapon system, it fails miserably. Weird, huh?
“Our tank is invincible, no gun can pierce it!”
MCAAC:
1:04
Is that…a case mate?
Can we talk about how clean the gameplay is. Casually shooting aircraft out of the sky and disabling vehicles before outright destroying them is top tier.
"Oh fuck that's an anti-tank rifle.
OH FUCK THAT'S AN ANTI-TANK RIFLE!"
You should do a video on the vehicles in the game brigador, they put a lot of effort into detailing the weapons and systems of sci-fi vehicles
Just shredding everything in those clips, seems OP
Seems like it would make a good naval gun
Despite it's failure, I see a potential in this project for a ship (think of heavy cruisers) mounted 150mm+ version. Here you mentioned that 105mm missiles had range of up to 50km. 150mm missile with top down capabilites could have significantly more range. And before anyone jumps in screaming how ship launced large diameter missiles already exist, their ammo storage is extremly limited, ships need to be dry docked to be rearmed which puts them out of service for days or even weeks, not to mention the equipment (and man power) needed to lift missiles, align them perfectly and drop them in a ship. If such system were to be installed, where missiles would be placed on their side rather than vertically, ammo storage could be increased by a lot, ships could be loaded more easyly and options for field reloads from dedicated missile carying subs are endless. Heck, make it so the ship itself is a dock for a sub in a way.
I am not an expert and I don't know how many souch ships would operate in a carrier group but these puppies could make US and NATO's most valuable military assets near invincible.
Edit: any 3 letter agencies and their contractors interested? Maybe? Would be amazing to work for one.
Hey you just invented the Zumwalt Class's AGS
Yes, currently most of the navies' vertical missile launch system cannot be reloaded outside of a harbour.
Once I got the Hstv-l unlocked I knew why Spooks liked it so much... this is literally the most fun vehicle I own in the game now...
Great video. I find it funny because it sounds like every sentence is a final sentence.
It's like talking like this.
Nothing is connected.
Each sentence is separated.
But just ignore me noticing this.
I'm not mocking or anything.
I love the videos.
Thanks for the hard work.
I have to say that I love your videos; they are well researched and the visuals are entertaining. I do have one suggestion, and this isn't meant as criticism. You should slow down a little on your narration. Sometimes you kind of mush the words together and I end up going back to catch what you said. I know everything on RUclips is supposed to be fast due to the average attention span being practically zero now, but you're well under ten minutes and could afford some time for pacing. Other than that, keep making videos! Awesome!
A gun is a gun is a gun, the ammunition is the true anti everything part
Okay, I love that proto-digital camo on the HSTV-L in the video.
Love your videos :)
MRAS-FCS was simply too far ahead of its time. but the Idea of a common chassis around which to have many different sub-systems can be seen in the CV-90 family.
3:56 That's one strong water drain pipe. It can stop a tank.
What do you think a modern top tier MBT would look like if it was specifically developed for WT? (Modern technology, no threats other than tanks or aircraft, no secondary purposes, purely a MBT clubbing machine)
thanks for this history lesson, i enjoyed it
I got the HSTV-L today. I see why you like it so much.
High ROF AT weapons when your intended future enemy has swarms of tanks. Sounds like a good idea to me lol. Platoon of Ares tanks hidden along the flanks of Russian vehicle columns. Given what we've seen in Ukraine, that wouldnt have been hard lol.
Russia =/= soviet union
The Russians in the beginning of the invasion through out the soviet handbook and tried something new. It failed.
The soviet approach is much more similar to the current Russian method, which is so far proveing successful if slow. But most importantly they aren't getting flanked anymore.
Combine this with the so iet military being alot bigger relative to nato than the Russians are compaired to Ukraine and flanking is not a reliable method.which is the conclusion nato came to after analysing the Soviets wargames and tactics in Afghanistan.
@@matthiuskoenig3378 To be fair, it's less 'try something new' and more 'yeah lads urrraaaah'
spookston: tanks that should be added to war thunder series vehicle addition: The 2CV GHAN1
20mm mg151 autocannon makes for fun fast low tier spaa
and a 75mm recoilles rifle that shoots he and hesh would make for a fun 4.0 td
At this point you could make the HSTV-L and other American light tank video into a series
i mean. we now have a 50mm on the Griffin2 that runs smart munitions, its anti-everything, but isnt the best at anything nether.
Those programs would spawn a new hosts of weapon systems by now
shell casings have never been an environmental issue, locals always collect those up for scrap metal. very valuable.
Depending upon the exact weight of the whole system and more importantly the recoil this would have been ideal for the AC-130J
Every day we inch closer to battletech autocannons
Gonna keep recommending the 60mm HVMS, Nerd
I'd love to see this gun in a game someday. Ah well.
Ideal of Flak36, Good old times
My inner weapons enthusiast is drooling right now
I dont know why this is what made me think it but i really need to start playing armored core 6 again
An evironmentally friendly tank sounds like, a bad tank.
Might be able to be brought back with top down munitions
Love the ODST outro!
I remember reading an article of how World War One tripled the hydrocarbons in the atmosphere up to that point in history.
No idea to the truth in it but seems like a massive understatement
I mean 8.8cm gun is technically Anti everything gun. It used to be a main gun for a Destroyers, it works as Secondaries from German Warships. It evolves into Anti Air role, then Anti Tank role. If you load High Explosives it also becomes anti personel role.
Hey Spookston, if possible can you make a video with you giving your opinion about the Kirov class Battle cruisers of the Russian Navy?
I would like to hear what you think of the ship and if you think other navy’s should make more Battle cruisers like the Kirov.
Reminds me a lot of the British Green Mace weapon system
did like, did enjoy.
This thing will be good for capital shipbon us cruiser
This makes me want to play Armoured Warfare!
I wasnt even listening to what you were saying I was just watching the war thunder background footage lol
The very first thing we see in this video is a spin-stabilized FS round
Hey, for your next "Tanks that should be addded to war thunder" video (If you'll ever make one), i recommend suggesting the AMX-10 RCR and the AMX-10 RCR SEPAR as a high-tier French light tank. Also, the ERC-90 could be addded at 7.3/7.7.
Me:(reads the title)
Also me: sounds like 8,8cm flak36 to me
See the title, thought this would be another video about German 88mm
Can you image a battleship version of this?
i don't wanna, thats too scary.
If they combined etc tech with this concept they could get better penetration in a smaller round, allowing for lighter weight etc.
I think this guy likes the hstvl
Greetings from The BIG SKY.
I do wonder why we don’t use a one size fit all chassis for all our tanks
Let's get this weapon the LAV and Striker !!!
And the US Army just adopted the General Dynamics MPF light tank with a 105mm.
if this would be added to warthunder i would be worried more about my teammate in pzbtl rank 11
honestly I think the US military should start adopting this sort of sci-fi tech. It works quite well and they are not short on coin either
Oh, we ran out of coin about 30 trillion dollars ago. We still got a few credit cards laying around to hold us over for a little bit longer.
Spookston,
Can we please talk about how gaijin fails to model helipcopters? I.e. how they are so survivable enough to take 2 or 3 high caliber apfsds, hell HE or HEAT, rounds before they die
Gun launched missiles are hardcore though.
I saw the title and thought this is about the German 88
Time for the 287th Hstv-l video
4:07
It looks like the new Abrams concepts gun?
Hi Spookston , if may ask, do you happen to know the name/model of the projectile that is fired in the clip at the very beginning of the video? I have already seen it some time ago and tried to find out what the hell is it, but with little success so far. Thanks in advance! :)
In 0:55 why is spook getting so few silver lions for a kill?
pls analyse the otomate and the 76mm gun. it serves as a comparable system
just off of the title i thought "hm, ww2 german 88mm?", i know it was used as anti tank, anti aircraft and i thought a few other roles (but i could be remembering wrong, also i don't know all that much about Land Warfare, mainly Aerial Warfare
Girls un Panzer used this in the anime. The other team hid it as there secret weapon nuking hilltops. They killed it with something similar to a L3/33 or a PZ II
Bro 💀
You are thinking of the karl railway cannon. They did indeed use the l3/33 to deal with it, so you remembered that correctly.
(Edit) To add on it was a CV-33 which is an l3/33 just with a couple 7.62mm machine guns, it failed and then the hetzer used the cv which landed upside down and did the same thing, jump to shoot down its barrel.
Please comment on the newly announced American light tank.
The MPF.
This is basically,the "fuck everything in that general direction" gun
WAIT HOLD UP. They finally got rid of the spall buff (side armor for ussr tanks had no spall before) for ussr tanks? Jesus I need to get back to top tier in my T-80U to see if this true.
hi, please try the type 93 again, since photocontrast mode its been fun again
Will you ever make a video about smart bombs in war thunder?
4:46 Dreams in Armored Core~
what made the XM274 poor against bunkers?
Cool thing: *Exists*
Brass: "Let's can it."
Sounds like something I would put on a couch in Gmod
Wait.... "Gun-Launched Missiles?" Holy crap, it's a Bolter.
What was this previous video you mentioned?
Is he playing the same gun in game that he’s talking about in the video?
"green cannon ammo? LOL Might as well make it non-flammable too, to reduce the of forest fires.