The Abjurer: A Treantmonk Guide (Part 2 of 3)
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- Опубликовано: 3 окт 2024
- Welcome to my Abjurer guide! In this video I am going to make a unique Wizard, a Wizard who wants to be attacked! This prickly pear punishes those who dare to attack by releasing waves of freezing retribution. This is part 2, for parts 1 and 3 see the links below.
For Part 1 of this build: • The Abjurer: A Treantm...
For Part 3 of this build: • The Abjurer: A Treantm...
Here's the link to the final build: ddb.ac/characters/17317766/G1zuGf
Welcome to my Abjurer guide! In this video I am going to make a unique Wizard, a Wizard who wants to be attacked! This prickly pear punishes those who dare to attack by releasing waves of freezing retribution. This is part 2, for parts 1 and 3 see the links below.
For Part 1 of this build: ruclips.net/video/Ecc83o4O4FQ/видео.html
For Part 3 of this build: ruclips.net/video/BvlNvzMhGEU/видео.html
Here's the link to the final build: ddb.ac/characters/17317766/G1zuGf
Part 3 link goes to your Warmage build instead of Abjurer.
Rip to all those monsters in modules who's statblocks say " this monster will target whoever appears to be the wizard"
You're wearing medium armor and carrying a shield and rapier. Not sure that's a very Wizardly look. Lol
Greater invisibility would be good to use on other melee fighters/rogues since if they can't see them, they will be more likely to attack you. How would you update this build with the latest releases in Tasha's and Eberron?
Greater Invisibility would be amazing if you use it on a party member and encourage enemies to attack you instead
Prestidigitation actually comes up about 4 times a minute. It comes up in ways that can actually further the goal of completing the mission every once in a while
Imagine getting spirit guardians with this build 🧐
Ring of Spell Storing and friendly Cleric?
You didn't take Stone skin here, but it's still relevent to note that the designers have said that resistance doesn't kick in until after the ward goes down. Until then YOU aren't taking damage. It does still help AoA stay up, though.
The designers need to go back and read their own text. Arcane Ward doesn’t apply if you have Immunity since it only takes damage when ever you would take damage. If Immunity applies by RAW, resistance would as well since how much damage is determined before damage is applied. So if you would take 10 and it’s resisted to 5, you would take 5, AW absorbs that 5 not 10 before the damage is dealt.
@@matthewconlon2388 “How does Arcane Ward interact with temporary hit points and damage resistance that an abjurer might have? An Arcane Ward is not an extension of the wizard who creates it. It is a magical effect with its own hit points. Any temporary hit points, immunities, or resistances that the wizard has don’t apply to the ward.
The ward takes damage first. Any leftover damage is taken by the wizard and goes through the following game elements in order: (1) any relevant damage immunity, (2) any relevant damage resistance, (3) any temporary hit points, and (4) real hit points.”
I disagree with what Wizard of the Coast says, but the official ruling is that Arcane Ward still take damage even though you’re immune.
Official or not the ruling is wrong and an unnecessary nerf to an already anemic subclass.
The RAW has the ward prevent damage you would take, not damage you wouldn’t. You can argue narrative logic, but that’s irrelevant in a RAW discussion. I’d play it as the DM rules, it gets a buff at my table and I campaign for the same at others.
@@matthewconlon2388 i respect that.
@@matthewconlon2388 doesn't make any sense though. The Ward is outside you, Stoneskin is where your skin is. I don't think RAW is as clear as you think either. RAW resistance and vulnerability apply after all other modifiers to damage. Ward pretty clearly modifies how much damage you take by however much it can absorb. Let me know though if D&D defines what a modification to damage is that I've missed.
Our DM continues to give us way too much gold without any way of spending it. Many DnD campaigns have an inflation problem, so I'm gonna use this build with stone skin. Only mine will be a masochist, probably will have some really weird/fun roleplaying ahead of me.
Yes, I've played with several DMs where I had so much gold 100gp a pop was like buying a corn dog at a street vendor.
Use Wall of Force to trap creatures inside of it with just you 0_o
With the new Mark of Warding Dwarf from Wayfinder’s Guide to Eberron, you can make an even better version of this character! The Mark of Warding dwarf gets certain spells automatically added to any of its spell lists (not yet implemented in D&D Beyond), including such abjuration spells as Armor of Agathys and Antilife Shell. Grab 1 level of Forge cleric for heavy armor (dwarves can wear with no STR requirement) then go full wizard and waddle yourself into battle. It’ll be less weapon-focused than before, and you won’t have hellish rebuke, but you can live without those things. You can even make a weapon-using build with a lower strength score if you find a magic item like the gauntlets of ogre strength.
1 level of artificer is better imo, you get med armor instead of heavy, but you get proficiency to con saves, faerie fire and thorn whip (amazing to get enemies to hit you), martial weapons and shields and still get full spell slot progression without having to get 13 wis.
Andre Dev Strong argument! I do love me some faerie fire. I think I’d tend to lean forge cleric, as that AC is a bit better, and for a build that won’t be making as many concentration saves, I’d prefer Wis save proficiency. Plus, having to hold your tools in one hand really hurts the artificer multiclass.
@@Adurnis AC is hard to beat. But if the plan is to get hit a lot (to deal damage with AoA) then 1-2 lower AC for prof bonus to con save seems like a good trade. You're gonna be taking Warcaster anyway so the tools shouldn't be a problem after 5th level, which is also when you wanna start doing booming blades as opportunity attacks after pulling an enemy in with thorn whip. Booming blade as an opportunity attack should automatically do the extra damage, depending on your DM. Thorn Whip also really goes a long way to using this fighting style and gives a really fun defender feel, pulling enemies away from your squishiest friends.
Andre Dev Here’s the problem with the tools. If you want to use artificer spells, you need the tools in one hand. If you want to attack with a weapon, you need to hold that weapon (read: dwarven thrower) in one hand. That means no shield, warcaster or not. Cleric spells, on the other hand, you can cast as long as you have the emblem on your shield, and that makes armor of agathys no problem.
Also, re: thorn whip, secondary booming blade damage only triggers if the enemy moves of their own accord, not if they’re pulled by a spell.
@@Adurnis Re: thorn whip: the point is to force a character next to you so that they either move and take BB damage or hit you and take AoA damage. In either case you've prevented the enemy from attacking an ally. You can also stack environmental effects (e.g. grease) on the area between you and your ally, forcing the enemy to have to go through them. Also this combination leaves your concentration free, letting you cast spells that make you a threat like Treatmonk suggested. Other methods of forcing enemy movement often use concentration (e.g. bigby's).
RE: Warcaster, so does war-caster just do nothing for Artificers? Can you use a hammer as your spell-casting focus (i.e. your smiths tools act like a light hammer), the way you can use a staff as an arcane focus? Then you can use your hammer hand for both somatic components and material components of artificer spells. Booming blade doesn't use material components, but Thorn Whip does, so maybe that's a workaround. Faerie fire just uses verbal, does that get around the need for tools in the Artificer section? It doesn't look like it which is disappointing unless the hammer thing works. Maybe you have to take 2 in artificer to get infusions but that puts you as far back as taking a warlock level.
There's also always ruby of the warmage.
Thanks for the guide. What will you change if restricted to PHB? Or such Abjurer build is not desirable then?
I’ve ruled that Arcane Ward doesn’t apply until you’ve determined how much damage you would have taken so resistance or immunity applies.
What are your thoughts?
This guy is Red Banner Phalanx Hoplite #44.
He uses a rapier (lite weapon) and hops a lot. So the rabble goblins (non-hobgoblins) call him hop-along.
Less bomb throwing though, and a better front liner. I wish I could play this build in that campaign!
I hate the diamond cost to Stone Skin as well versus what it gives, but in the context of instead spending 100 gp on two healing potions, it might not be too bad as a selectively cast spell, perhaps only a couple of times per adventure.
In AD&D 2ed, Stoneskin was a go to spell. It should do one of the following in 5e (I think): Not be concentration, or not have a Material cost or include resistance vs magical S/B/P damage. In 2e it blocked a half dozen attacks outright, and lasted until hit!
@@clenzen9930 I have a bit of a pet peeve for spells that make you better able to take a hit requiring concentration; to benefit involves you possibly losing the spell! Actually, the broader problem I have is concentration saving throws. I don't mind concentration as a limiter to the number of effects you can have going at once. The swinginess of losing concentration is lame, though.
How about Blade Ward as a cantrip option? If really in the thick of it, resist damage from attackers to increase the life of your ward? Might be a better option to half the damage of attackers when surrounded by mooks rather than merely lashing out with a booming blade against one target. While casting this spell, could use a bonus action attack spell (such as Flaming Sphere or Crown of Stars) to at least do some active damage in the round.
Yeah, that's a good option
Why aren't you taking warlock level 2 to get the Eldritch Invocation of Armor of Shadows?
I thought the same thing. Only thing I can think of is lack of cheese and he wants the other ASI.
he thinks it's cheesy I believe according to his guides.
Is Blade Ward a good cantrip to take..resistance to basic melee damage, armor of agathys, and the arcane ward all running at the same time
Don’t know about Treantmonk’s opinion but I personally have used this combo on a Melee-oriented Bard/Lock and it was very good
Sounds good, though I've been informed that the ward does not benefit from resistance.
MOrdO Kai He means the Abjurers Ward.
Sorry...i wasnt clear: Blade Ward (grants resistance), Arcane Ward and Armor of Agathys (extra damage and extra HP)...in my simple mind: blade ward would reduce base melee damage by 50%, and by default, increase the life of arcane ward and abjurer ward by 100%. But im in the mall sitting in a food court so i dont have all the reference materials in frint if me. I just thaought it was a good idea
Blade war works very well. Blade ward is great to cast when armor of agathys is up because it’s up until the end of your next turn. This potentially gives you to turns of movement to run around provoking opportunity attacks. It also gives resistance to piercing, slashing, and bludgeoning damage from non magical and magical weapon attacks.
Sadly, armor of agathys doesn't do squat against ranged/spell attacks. Just melee attacks.
Any thoughts on the Sentinel feat rather than the ASI or maybe even warcaster? It pretty reliably lets you get twice/round damage with spells like flaming sphere or keep enemies in your aoe spells.
I’m playing this build in an Eberron campaign. Just reached level 5 and having a blast.
Is there anything you would change with the content that’s been released since this was uploaded?
Mark of Warding Dwarf with the Ozrok background for spiritual guardians
too bad fireshield is not abjuration. May still be worth it for the extra 2d8 damage to attackers for 10 minutes w/o the need for concentration.
I thought that was part of the build. Missed that it wasn't.
If a player finds a wand that can cast abjuration magic, that should not count as the Wizards special ability since it is from a magic item right?
It would. Arcane Ward states that the player is casting a spell of 1st level or higher, but does not mention expending a spell slot. A similar reasoning could be applied to using the Eldritch Invocation allowing you to cast Mage Armor at will being used to refresh your entire ward in between combat, which is legal.
We recently introduced some homebrew feats in our group one similar to Fay Touched and let's you pick a lv 1 abjuration or evocation spell and gives aid. Am playing a V. Human abjurer in our next campaign and am extremely excited.
Wow, that's a really strong feat. Did it go well?
@wassentme1891 just finished that campaign 3 months ago. It went fine. I think if a feat can keep a person from doing a one lv dip for a single spell it is helpful. Ended at lv 12 used armor of agathis the whole way through
This is an awesome build!
with a shield + rapier in hand how can you cast spells requiring materials (most importantly armor of agathys)? object interaction sheath weapon, cast on your turn and then you are weaponless for any opportunity attacks with booming blade. I guess it's still worth it, but want to know if I am missing something?
If you're using a staff, it can act as an arcane focus, removing the need for material components. You need war-caster for the somatic components.
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Do you have autoimmune 'alopecia universalis'?
If I had that, I wouldn't be growing all this hair in my ears!
@@TreantmonksTemple my dad has it, and i have the genes for it to trigger even though i currently still have hair. I just get curious about things like that, and i have NUMEROUS genetic anomalies - including aspergers... Which is why I'm so awesome at completely tactless "out of left field" questions. xD
@@mordokai597 No worries my friend, the reason I shave bald is plain old male pattern baldness, where I've lost enough of my hair, it doesn't seem worth it to maintain what was left.
@@TreantmonksTemple i hit 40 this year and stopped giving a damn what other people think... I'm now jealous of his baldness xD no haircut costs, no buying razors, no ingrown hairs or Knicks, no clogged drains... He saves like a couple grand a year, and several hours less time each week in the bathroom - when he finally got over how other people react to it he realized he's already obsessed with wearing hats so he doesn't even need spend money on extra hats he was like "it's not killing me, it's saving me money, and i have more free time... There's no downside to this 8D " he had his own little weirdy "i am free in all the ways that you are not" Tyler Durden moment xP
How does this build play the tank role and ensure the enemies target him? What's a good way to tweak this to ensure the enemies target this build over squishier members of the party? Perhaps multi-class to cleric/sorcerer for 1 level for access to sanctuary (bonus action abjuration spell)?
Moreover, why not take tiefling to get flames feat to punish more? Would've also been nice if you had access to shadow of moil.
I would say Compelled Duel or even a 3 level dip into Fighter Cavalier, also BB helps lock down enemies so they’re less likely to attack other people.
Further more, if you’re concentrating on the spell that took the BBEG out of combat, it’s logical that the creatures would target you first.
Did you think about two level dip into Warlock and use the eldritch mind invocation instead of the warcaster feat? Why didnt you do it? Creating a lvl 9 version and wondering if I am missing something?
When he made this vídeo, Tasha's was not yet released so...
And also, in my opinion, 2 levels behind on your spellcasting is a bit of a stretch