As often happens, I’ve had my eyes opened to a series of events I wouldn’t have known about otherwise. Excellent episode- I’ll be watching this again! 👍
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Remember that time China invaded Vietnam and got their asses handed to them, then Vietnam turned around and liberated Cambodia from the Red Khmer deathsquads. That part of the world was a wild ride in the 60's and 70's.
There many interesting potential events from the Cold War Era from that region that would make excellent THG episodes. How about one on the lost CIA nuclear device in the Indian Himalayas?
@@sayanchx Good video project idea. I also think episodes about the outside influences that brought both India and Pakistan into possession of nuclear weapons would be fantastic. Yall Take Care and be safe, John
Kudos on tackling such a complex and interwoven set of events, and then editing and summarizing it so clearly and succinctly. Ambition-wise, best ever episode so far!
Very well said. Looks like God himself may have a hand in upcoming events. Tornadoes in New Jersey, an entire polluted Pacific Ocean, wildfires on a magnitude never before seen. I could go on... The world needs to start anew again... God Bless, we have problems and wars, entire countries trying to rule the world. This isn't how we should be living....
@@johntaylor-lo8qx God's a ludicrous - but very easy cop-out - excuse innit? Its 90%+ our own doing and circa 9% bad luck with the weather. But once you begin blathering about God, well that just hands an excuse to every muck & schmuck who wants to imagine they're the 'great outdoorsman' (or whatever imaginary icon) to cruise around in ever bigger SUV trucks when for most a small saloon would meet all their needs.
Two minutes to midnight by Iron maiden... the doomsday clock that was supposed to have gotten to two minutes to midnight (midnight being the end of all things)
@@TheHistoryGuyChannel , hey THG, is it possible to block the bitcoin-investment spammers? I just reported an 18-comment thread all based around bitcoin investment. Also reported (twice) some guy calling himself "Joseph Mastroanni", purportedly in Boston, peddling conspiracy crap....these spammers or bots or whatever they are keep turning up like a bad penny.
@@TheHistoryGuyChannel should you want to do more stories on little-known heroic Soviet stories, I can recommend others like Mariya Oktyabrskaya (the lady Soviet tanker), Oleg Pinkovsky (GRU agent that influenced Cuban Missile Crisis), Valery Sablin (the Storezhevoy mutiny in 1975 inspires Tom Clancy) and Stanislav Petrov (ignored faulty nuclear attack indication in 1983).
@@brentgranger7856 Both Stanislav Petrov and Vasily Arkhipov allowed us to live another day by their actions, either case could have turned the clocks back to pre industrial times.
Splendid episode! As people do not notice the power failure that didn't happen, we fail to appreciate the world war that didn't happen either...oh but it was close 😱
I was born in early November, 1962. One I questioned my mother what it was like to be pregnant during that October and know the world could end. She said she just couldn't let herself think too much on that, but focused on her family. The world not ending that October was what allowed my entire life to occur.
@@abrahamlincoln9758 YOU READY? I'm just a regular person in Boston media. Quincy Ma. City of Presidents. Most valuable PLACE for words ON EARTH: A DESK Most valuable spot: Maybe page 1 Most valuable class: US HISTORY. Some soldiers were innocent in a court of law. That was all. I guess it was just FakeNewZ. 2 MEN WANTED IT. 3/5/1770 & 2.24.2017. THEY DIDNT GET IT.
I take pride in being a student of history. It's far too easy to loose track of massively important events that sit in the gravity wells of larger events.
@@sinisterminister6478 , "loose" is such a common misspelling of "lose" that I suspect it's due to overzealous, overbearing, intrusive predictive- text/auto-correction software. I know from experience that my not-so-smart phone software substitutes words even when I absolutely positively typed the word I wanted to use correctly. (Just now when I typed "overbearing" the keyboard software substituted "overhearing" as soon as I hit the space bar, and when I tapped on the word to correct it, "overbearing" popped up above the keyboard as the alternate choice,, so I know for a fact that I spelled it correctly and the phone recognized it as my original word choice). People are fond of saying that everyone now carries around more computing power in their pocket than was used to send men to the moon, but if NASA's software was this bug-ridden, we'd have several expensive coffins orbiting the Earth ---- or the moon.
@@sinisterminister6478 , I frequently proof read my comments twice before posting [ for posting ( sic) ], and then when I go back and [and] look at it again after it posts, I will find not only substituted words and wrong words but sometimes words, phrases and [it's phrases (sic)] [and sic] partial sentences or even nearly whole paragraphs have been repeated like an echo. (I used the voice to text feature and dictated this into the phone, and you will note the doubled-up words and phrases above, which I went back and put brackets around like this [ sic ], to illustrate what a great job [it's a great job, sic] the voice to text technology [dtechnology, sic] does. Yes, I'm being sarcastic.) PS, although I can't remember why, or where it originated from, sic is shorthand for when you are quoting or reprinting someone elses' grammatical or spelling error.
So much to take in, of yet another overlooked event. Had to view a couple of times due to distractions, to get some of the keypoints. Yet another episode to be returned to.
There are some channels that stand apart. YTers like myself stand to learn a lot from quality presenters like Mark Felton and yourself. Thanks for being so consistently knowledgeable, engaging and instructive at the same time.
Everyone alive back then knew of the Cuban missile crisis. It seemed as though a Soviet nuclear attack could happen at any moment. I don't recall any of us talking about a Chinese-Indian crisis at school. I suspect we were hardly even aware that a war was ongoing on the other side of the world.
@@johnr797 I was in graduate school when Civil War in El Salvador began. I suppose that would be sometime in 1976 to 1977. I knew several El Salvadorans so I learned about it soon after the violence began.
I remember the Bay of Pigs and these conflicts. I remember in elementary school having air raid drills and going to the basement of the school for the nuclear missiles. Scary time.
As a Canadian living in greater Montreal in 1970, the term October Crisis immediately brings forth the memory of the FLQ and kidnappings of Pierre Laporte (eventually killed) and James Cross. Our Prime Minister invoked the War Measures Act ... a pretty tense time. THG might consider doing an episode on that. Excellent episode.
That would be interesting for an episode. I don't know much about Quebec's history but there was some strong support for independence I think back in the 70s along with various crimes and acts of terror. I think there was movement for referendum on independence in 90s. Is there still a sense of separate identity in Quebec now? Do some people still want separation from Ottawa in 2021? I imagine as more non-French Canadians and foreign immigrants move to Quebec it will gradually lose its unique culture and become like the rest of Canada
@@steventhompson399 The desire for separation still lives on in some segments of the population, particularly the older Quebeckers. It is waning though. Having said that, Quebeckers remain quite nationalistic. We even have a political party at the Federal level (Bloc Québecois) which is entirely focused on the Province. There was a referendum on separation back in 1995, although the ballot question was quite murky. I'm 10th generation French Canadian on my father's side and about 6th very English Canadian on my mother's and never subscribed to their divisive ideology. As you note, it did get violent. Have lived all over the country and I see no reason for Provinces to separate, both back then and now. Canada is one the better countries to call home. Canada wouldn't be Canada without Québec, which is very progressive on the legal and regulatory front. We tend to lead the country in many areas. There is a sense of a unique identity ... an ethnocentricity if you will, which is both healthy and comes with pitfalls. As you state, immigration, a low birth rate, etc are changing the social makeup so the trends will mutate. It's quite a fascinating history. Not sure there are any pirates involved though ... LOL.
That was Justin Trudeau's dad. He was a brilliant lawyer. Later in 1972 he re-wrote the Canadian constitution as a hobby, that's why Canada 🇨🇦 has no death penalty or city states.
Another well told and informative video. I remember my father telling me that the Cuban missile crisis dominated tv at the time and that he probably would've gone back into the Marine Corp had war started. I didn't realize until now that his chances of going back were probably greater than he knew.
Hmm, I had a relative that worked for a huge American construction and engineering firm in Afghanistan and Pakistan at the roughly same time period. His grandson would later become a military officer who specialized in Farsi and cultural issues. Somehow I think that side of the family has some really interesting stories about that region.
Thanks for covering this. I heard of this before but only learned about some of the details in the last couple years, and this video puts things together pretty nicely. Hardly any English speaking people outside India seem to be vaguely familiar with the sino-Indian border dispute let alone the actual conflict in 62. I became curious about it when looking into origins of contemporary border disputes and the effects of China conquering Tibet.
Well, I'm willing to guess it's at least 3 times we experience a repeat of history before we learn. Than again, we shouldn't underestimate the stupidity of the whole of humanity.
One of the personal tenets that I try to live by is a quote from an Indian. The Mahatma (Great Soul), Mohandas K. Gandhi said; "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live Forever." Thank You, The History Guy, for your efforts that make the 'Learn' (-ing) part not only possible, but enjoyable and entertaining.
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall. Think of it: always."
makes sense, China was at war with the UN and US during the Korean War, China sent aid alongside the Soviets to many communist guerrilla groups, and China backed forces hostile to America such as North Vietnam. There were also terrorist organizations, criminal organizations, and protest groups in America who were either funded/armed by the PRC or were thought to be funded/armed by the PRC (many groups of interest to the CIA and FBI had Chinese produced weapons and had Maoist influenced ideology). China also espoused many anti American rhetoric and Mao had been pretty vocal about going to war with the west until he did a 180 in the 70s and started sidling up to the US in an effort to counter the USSR and secure more investment from the west since the USSR could no longer send aid and investment.
As I was growing up in central Florida and remembering my parents watching the nightly news and the talk about Cuba and eventually it all passed and in jr high and high school we of coarse reviewed the Cuban missile crisis but there was never any mention of what went on in Russia,China, India, Tibet and Pakistan.
October 1962, I was 12 yrs old and glued to the TV (all 3 channels) watching the news about Cuba. I don't remember anything else of importance happening, thank you for filling in a missing piece of important history.
Talk about deserving to be remembered... the Cuban Missile Crisis gets all the attention while the Jan Brady of diplomatic crises is ignored but was just as dire. Thanks!
October 16th, 1962, my birthday! A lot happened during my 1st month of existence; the world almost came to an end. Now close to 59 years later, the world is dealing with another Global crisis; Covid-19. I have lived to see Man walk on the moon, the end of the Vietnam War, oil shortage of the 70s, the rise of terrorism in the 80s to the present day. The beginning and end of the Space Shuttle program and the establishment of the International Space Station. I am a veteran (USN) of the Cold War, 1991 Gulf War, Operations Iraqi Freedom, Global War on Terrorism, and the Post 9/11 world. Oh the things I have seen.
I thought that the most dangerous point in the Cold War was Able Archer 83; I mean, we were literally one guy away from Mutually Assured Destruction. Thank you, Stanislav Petrov.
I am 68 years old for another week, but I was very late coming to the nuclear disarmament movement. The History Guy's video about the The Norwegian Rocket Incident of 1995 made me realize diplomacy is unable to keep that genie in the bottle when so innocent a misunderstanding could light The Fuse.
3:07 In which the cartographer made Nepal a part of China, and that's why Nepali time is GMT+ 5:45 - so that it's not aligned to either of its bigger neighbors.
Wow, I learned something new today. This is a bit of history that has not been told to most people, particularly in the West. This background helps give a much better perspective of the tensions in that part of the world (and CIA meddling?) . 🤔. My fear is with nukes in the possession by all three nations today, World War III could actually start in Asia among these powers! 😳
Sir, I subscribed to you long before I saw this video out of respect and true to the fact no paper, no radio, no TV show can elicit in 60 years what you did in 16 minutes.
I don't know if the Sino-Indian conflict is under-remembered or the Cuban missile crisis is over-recalled. A lot of the attention paid to the Cuban crisis came with Robert Kennedy's posthumous memoir "Thirteen Days," which lionizes him and his deceased brother ---and reads like a great thriller.
AS ALWAYS THE HISTORY GUY, AN EXCELLENT VIDEO!! Didn't know about China, India,and the rest until I saw this video. I was six years old during the Cuban Missile Crisis (an older friend of mine was on a minesweeper that was part of the naval blockade). I was in Key West, Fla. during all of this. I DISTINCTLY REMEMBER the Army(may have been Marine) driving up and down Truman Avenue; the dusk-to-dawn curfew that said ANYONE out on the street would be shot. NOTHING was being taken for granted. I,also, remember two other things: #1-After the crisis had passed , the entire Truman Elementary School was taken out to Monroe County (later renamed Smathers) Beach, and, we all saw the Army missile batteries scattered in along the beach;#2-Shortly after the end of the crisis, President Kennedy made a visit to Key West. I was standing outside Mrs.Gardner's Rexall drugstore when he rode by. He was flashing that BIG SMILE of his, and, now ,whenever I see old photos of that, the photos don't do it justice.🤔🤔🤔✌✌✌✌
Kudos to you for discussing the Sino-Indian War of 1962 as it was an important episode during the Cold War era that deserves to be mentioned. The Indian army fought very bravely and had excellent generalship, but the surprise Chinese attack along with them being very ill-equip for the harsh mountain terrain made for a very one-sided engagement, at least in the initial phase of the war.
China is truly an Evil Empire. For what they did to Tibet, for their oppressive government (internment camps, "re-education" camps, thought police, etc), police stations all over the world keeping an eye on their citizens living abroad(Google it), and their hacking/spying war they've waged against the West for decades. Even Chinese college students have been caught as spies and conducting espionage in Europe and North America. It's pathetic.
Excellent episode! I was 10 when all of this was happening & barely knew about the Cuban Missile Crisis. Never knew about the rest. I'll admit there was too much info for me to take in all at once & will have to listen to this again.
The two men that prevented the Cuban missile crisis from beginning WW III. If interested, check out Major Rudolph Anderson, USAF and Vasilli Alexandrovich Arkhipov, Soviet Submarine Naval officer. Major Anderson was the only combat death during the crisis.
Great topic to cover - definitely was drowned out by the events Cuba. Highly recommend The Brilliant Disaster by Jim Rasenberger for an astounding read on the Bay of Pigs invasion and how that effected later events.
My wife and I have often wondered the same thing. We both hated history in school and were amazed how much we liked it when we learned about history in the real world. I think it has something to do with testing, which makes history too flat and simple.
I consider myself a well versed student of history, but other than the broad strokes of saying that India and Pakistan have been at each other’s throats since the British exit, Ai had NO idea these events ever happened! I knew the Nehru died in 1964, but essentially that was all. I am again astounded by knowledge imparted by the History Guy! Mr Geiger, you should consider collaboration between yourself, Drachinifel, and Dr. Mark Felton! That would be a History Lovers Dream Team!
For many the biggest learning point in an academic - but also a practical - sense to come out of the Bay of Pigs (US fiasco) & Cuban Missile crisis (very well handled) was the concept of *groupthink* which the sociologist Janis coined to encapsulate how teams, like Kenedy & his advisors, bahave to either get things right or disasterously wrong. The Sino-Indian war didn't produce much at all in that sense.
Bob Markin was a good friend of mine. In his younger days he'd served with honor in the US Air Force. One day the subject of the Cuban Missile Crisis came up. Bob informed me that he'd flown that mission. He told the story of how Khrushchev had called Kennedy and wanted to buy grain. Kennedy OK'd the idea but said, "Let's do a little saber rattling. If you make me look good, we'll give you all the wheat you want." Khrushchev said our people are starving. What do you want? They came up with the missile story to end with the Air Force flying to Cuba and then being called back. Bob said he flew that mission. He said that there were no bombs on their planes. He said they weren't even allowed side arms! Then of course the mission was called back and the next January a record wheat sale went to Russia. Bob was a wonderful guy and I miss him. I believe his story. He never gave me a reason not to.
Lovely video as always. It’s interesting how the Sino Indian conflict occurred at the same time and the US was close to being drawn into a greater conflict.
I remember from a long time ago a lecture from someone who was 'in the room' during the Cuban Missile Crisis, his take was very interesting. He openly said the famous story that 'only Kennedy and his brother were the only ones in the room NOT advocating for invasion of Cuba' was true but not told with all the details: Apparently, the US has insider intel that the Soviets did indeed plan on putting missiles in Cuba as a bargaining chip AND they heard from Kruschev himself the USSR was unwilling to actually provoke a war over the matter. The US military men saw this as an opportunity to take advantage of by killing two birds with one stone in ending communist Cuba while embarrassing the USSR, the Kennedys were concerned that embarrassing Kruschev could have unpredictable consequences especially if the hawks in lower ranks of either side took rash action (which almost did happen). In short, actual war with the USSR was not really ever the fear unless something unpredictable happened 'on the ground' (like the sub officer, who knew this wasn't a hill the USSR wanted to die on) but it was rather an attempt by the White House to achieve the end of removing missiles from Cuba without kicking off a possible coup in the USSR which would be unpredictable at best.
Thanks for another interesting video. Your videos are always interesting and informative. I was aware of the problems with India, Pakistan, and China; but didn't realize that they were as fraught with peril as the Cuban Missile Crisis.
As often happens, I’ve had my eyes opened to a series of events I wouldn’t have known about otherwise. Excellent episode- I’ll be watching this again! 👍
***BREAKING NEWS***
NINE MILES OUTTA BOSTON
Quincy Ma.
City of Presidents.
Not sure it was a massacre.
I think just FakeNewZ.
PAGE 1 ON DESKS. 1791.
Boston media's United States
OFFICIAL VIDEo. Up 1.23.21
Free on RUclips. Ticking now!
Remember that time China invaded Vietnam and got their asses handed to them, then Vietnam turned around and liberated Cambodia from the Red Khmer deathsquads. That part of the world was a wild ride in the 60's and 70's.
There many interesting potential events from the Cold War Era from that region that would make excellent THG episodes. How about one on the lost CIA nuclear device in the Indian Himalayas?
@@sayanchx Good video project idea.
I also think episodes about the outside influences that brought both India and Pakistan into possession of nuclear weapons would be fantastic.
Yall Take Care and be safe, John
@@josephmastroianni1560 What are you spamming us about?
Kudos on tackling such a complex and interwoven set of events, and then editing and summarizing it so clearly and succinctly. Ambition-wise, best ever episode so far!
"sometimes the world didn't end is the best you can hope for" - A message for our times
Well said about our current world and times...
Very well said. Looks like God himself may have a hand in upcoming events. Tornadoes in New Jersey, an entire polluted Pacific Ocean, wildfires on a magnitude never before seen. I could go on... The world needs to start anew again... God Bless, we have problems and wars, entire countries trying to rule the world. This isn't how we should be living....
Can you *seriously* imagine *any* of the present crop of western leaders dealing successfully with the types of events Kennedy did?
@@johntaylor-lo8qx God's a ludicrous - but very easy cop-out - excuse innit?
Its 90%+ our own doing and circa 9% bad luck with the weather.
But once you begin blathering about God, well that just hands an excuse to every muck & schmuck who wants to imagine they're the 'great outdoorsman' (or whatever imaginary icon) to cruise around in ever bigger SUV trucks when for most a small saloon would meet all their needs.
Two minutes to midnight by Iron maiden... the doomsday clock that was supposed to have gotten to two minutes to midnight (midnight being the end of all things)
The story of the Soviet submarine officer you briefly mention, Vasily Arkhipov, is history that deserves to be remembered.
I agree, and may do an episode on the event sometime.
@@TheHistoryGuyChannel , hey THG, is it possible to block the bitcoin-investment spammers? I just reported an 18-comment thread all based around bitcoin investment. Also reported (twice) some guy calling himself "Joseph Mastroanni", purportedly in Boston, peddling conspiracy crap....these spammers or bots or whatever they are keep turning up like a bad penny.
@@goodun2974 I report them when I see them.
@@TheHistoryGuyChannel should you want to do more stories on little-known heroic Soviet stories, I can recommend others like Mariya Oktyabrskaya (the lady Soviet tanker), Oleg Pinkovsky (GRU agent that influenced Cuban Missile Crisis), Valery Sablin (the Storezhevoy mutiny in 1975 inspires Tom Clancy) and Stanislav Petrov (ignored faulty nuclear attack indication in 1983).
@@brentgranger7856 Both Stanislav Petrov and Vasily Arkhipov allowed us to live another day by their actions, either case could have turned the clocks back to pre industrial times.
Splendid episode! As people do not notice the power failure that didn't happen, we fail to appreciate the world war that didn't happen either...oh but it was close 😱
I was born in early November, 1962. One I questioned my mother what it was like to be pregnant during that October and know the world could end. She said she just couldn't let herself think too much on that, but focused on her family. The world not ending that October was what allowed my entire life to occur.
My Master's thesis, "Covert Diplomacy: The Dangers of Backchannel Communications", covered much of this conflict. Your presentation is excellent!
Thank you for another History lesson, as I was only 14, in October of 1962, but very vividly, remember the Cuban Missel Crisis.
Thanks for spotlighting something I never heard about in my study of history.
Hear hear!
@@abrahamlincoln9758
YOU READY?
I'm just a regular person in Boston media. Quincy Ma.
City of Presidents.
Most valuable PLACE for words ON EARTH: A DESK
Most valuable spot: Maybe page 1
Most valuable class: US HISTORY.
Some soldiers were innocent in a court of law. That was all.
I guess it was just FakeNewZ.
2 MEN WANTED IT. 3/5/1770
& 2.24.2017. THEY DIDNT GET IT.
I take pride in being a student of history. It's far too easy to loose track of massively important events that sit in the gravity wells of larger events.
He said he's a student of history. He didn't say anything about being a student of spelling. 😂😂😂
@@sinisterminister6478 , "loose" is such a common misspelling of "lose" that I suspect it's due to overzealous, overbearing, intrusive predictive- text/auto-correction software. I know from experience that my not-so-smart phone software substitutes words even when I absolutely positively typed the word I wanted to use correctly. (Just now when I typed "overbearing" the keyboard software substituted "overhearing" as soon as I hit the space bar, and when I tapped on the word to correct it, "overbearing" popped up above the keyboard as the alternate choice,, so I know for a fact that I spelled it correctly and the phone recognized it as my original word choice). People are fond of saying that everyone now carries around more computing power in their pocket than was used to send men to the moon, but if NASA's software was this bug-ridden, we'd have several expensive coffins orbiting the Earth ---- or the moon.
@@goodun2974 I know, these autocorrect and predictive text functions have a mind of their own.
@@sinisterminister6478 , I frequently proof read my comments twice before posting [ for posting ( sic) ], and then when I go back and [and] look at it again after it posts, I will find not only substituted words and wrong words but sometimes words, phrases and [it's phrases (sic)] [and sic] partial sentences or even nearly whole paragraphs have been repeated like an echo. (I used the voice to text feature and dictated this into the phone, and you will note the doubled-up words and phrases above, which I went back and put brackets around like this [ sic ], to illustrate what a great job [it's a great job, sic] the voice to text technology [dtechnology, sic] does. Yes, I'm being sarcastic.)
PS, although I can't remember why, or where it originated from, sic is shorthand for when you are quoting or reprinting someone elses' grammatical or spelling error.
That’s a damn fine second sentence, Mr President.
So much to take in, of yet another overlooked event. Had to view a couple of times due to distractions, to get some of the keypoints. Yet another episode to be returned to.
These videos are always entertaining and informative. Keep 'em coming!
Another great history lesson from a great teacher..
There are some channels that stand apart. YTers like myself stand to learn a lot from quality presenters like Mark Felton and yourself. Thanks for being so consistently knowledgeable, engaging and instructive at the same time.
Everyone alive back then knew of the Cuban missile crisis. It seemed as though a Soviet nuclear attack could happen at any moment. I don't recall any of us talking about a Chinese-Indian crisis at school. I suspect we were hardly even aware that a war was ongoing on the other side of the world.
Probably even less aware that Russia was moving missiles close to the US in response to the US doing exactly that in Europe lol
@@johnr797 There is indeed a certain myopia.
I didn't learn about the Sino-Indian crisis until I entered university in 1968.
@@rogerhwerner6997 and how long after that did you learn about the American involvement in the El Salvadoran Civil War?
@@johnr797 I was in graduate school when Civil War in El Salvador began. I suppose that would be sometime in 1976 to 1977. I knew several El Salvadorans so I learned about it soon after the violence began.
Thank you for the history lesson, History Guy.
Dr. John Kenneth Galbraith OC (Officer of the Order of Canada), author, teacher, economist, diplomat, a man worthy of a video of his own.
We even here in India didn't even learn about it in this detail.
Excellent, punchy wrap up! I remember the Bay of Pigs incident, but this is new to me.
I vividly remember the weekend of the cuban crisis but not this one as noted in intro. Thanks as always and have a nice laborday weekend.
Thank you, it brought back memories. I remember this when it happened. From 1961 to 1970 was a tense time.
I remember the Bay of Pigs and these conflicts.
I remember in elementary school having air raid drills and going to the basement of the school for the nuclear missiles.
Scary time.
thank you history guy, for yet another insightful and illuminating lesson toward where we are now.
Wow! This was a great one! None of us were taught about this in school. Even our parents never mentioned this one!
As a Canadian living in greater Montreal in 1970, the term October Crisis immediately brings forth the memory of the FLQ and kidnappings of Pierre Laporte (eventually killed) and James Cross.
Our Prime Minister invoked the War Measures Act ... a pretty tense time.
THG might consider doing an episode on that.
Excellent episode.
That would be interesting for an episode. I don't know much about Quebec's history but there was some strong support for independence I think back in the 70s along with various crimes and acts of terror. I think there was movement for referendum on independence in 90s. Is there still a sense of separate identity in Quebec now? Do some people still want separation from Ottawa in 2021? I imagine as more non-French Canadians and foreign immigrants move to Quebec it will gradually lose its unique culture and become like the rest of Canada
@@steventhompson399 The desire for separation still lives on in some segments of the population, particularly the older Quebeckers. It is waning though.
Having said that, Quebeckers remain quite nationalistic. We even have a political party at the Federal level (Bloc Québecois) which is entirely focused on the Province. There was a referendum on separation back in 1995, although the ballot question was quite murky.
I'm 10th generation French Canadian on my father's side and about 6th very English Canadian on my mother's and never subscribed to their divisive ideology. As you note, it did get violent. Have lived all over the country and I see no reason for Provinces to separate, both back then and now. Canada is one the better countries to call home.
Canada wouldn't be Canada without Québec, which is very progressive on the legal and regulatory front. We tend to lead the country in many areas.
There is a sense of a unique identity ... an ethnocentricity if you will, which is both healthy and comes with pitfalls.
As you state, immigration, a low birth rate, etc are changing the social makeup so the trends will mutate.
It's quite a fascinating history.
Not sure there are any pirates involved though ... LOL.
FLQ= vermin.
That was Justin Trudeau's dad. He was a brilliant lawyer. Later in 1972 he re-wrote the Canadian constitution as a hobby, that's why Canada 🇨🇦 has no death penalty or city states.
Unfortunately, nobody cares about Canada's crisis - least of all the Canadian government.
One of the best for all time produced by THG . Substantive and well presented.
Another well told and informative video. I remember my father telling me that the Cuban missile crisis dominated tv at the time and that he probably would've gone back into the Marine Corp had war started. I didn't realize until now that his chances of going back were probably greater than he knew.
Hmm, I had a relative that worked for a huge American construction and engineering firm in Afghanistan and Pakistan at the roughly same time period. His grandson would later become a military officer who specialized in Farsi and cultural issues. Somehow I think that side of the family has some really interesting stories about that region.
Thanks for covering this. I heard of this before but only learned about some of the details in the last couple years, and this video puts things together pretty nicely. Hardly any English speaking people outside India seem to be vaguely familiar with the sino-Indian border dispute let alone the actual conflict in 62. I became curious about it when looking into origins of contemporary border disputes and the effects of China conquering Tibet.
Thank you Lance. 🙂
Seems the playbook hasn't changed much. I wonder how many times history repeats itself before we learn our lesson.
Well, I'm willing to guess it's at least 3 times we experience a repeat of history before we learn. Than again, we shouldn't underestimate the stupidity of the whole of humanity.
One of the personal tenets that I try to live by is a quote from an Indian. The Mahatma (Great Soul), Mohandas K. Gandhi said; "Live as if you were to die tomorrow. Learn as if you were to live Forever." Thank You, The History Guy, for your efforts that make the 'Learn' (-ing) part not only possible, but enjoyable and entertaining.
"When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love has always won. There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end, they always fall. Think of it: always."
My dear sir you make history interesting and fun!
I am a history/current events fanatic. Amazed that I recollect nothing about this. Really fascinating.
great video. didn't realize how close the US was to war with China during that period.
makes sense, China was at war with the UN and US during the Korean War, China sent aid alongside the Soviets to many communist guerrilla groups, and China backed forces hostile to America such as North Vietnam. There were also terrorist organizations, criminal organizations, and protest groups in America who were either funded/armed by the PRC or were thought to be funded/armed by the PRC (many groups of interest to the CIA and FBI had Chinese produced weapons and had Maoist influenced ideology). China also espoused many anti American rhetoric and Mao had been pretty vocal about going to war with the west until he did a 180 in the 70s and started sidling up to the US in an effort to counter the USSR and secure more investment from the west since the USSR could no longer send aid and investment.
Always the most interesting forgotten history. Keep of the good work!
As I was growing up in central Florida and remembering my parents watching the nightly news and the talk about Cuba and eventually it all passed and in jr high and high school we of coarse reviewed the Cuban missile crisis but there was never any mention of what went on in Russia,China, India, Tibet and Pakistan.
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October 1962, I was 12 yrs old and glued to the TV (all 3 channels) watching the news about Cuba. I don't remember anything else of importance happening, thank you for filling in a missing piece of important history.
I was five years old but remember the whole school (maybe 100 kids - village in Cumbria, UK) being brought together to pray for peace.
I was completely unaware of this second October crisis, thanks for some new perspectives
Talk about deserving to be remembered... the Cuban Missile Crisis gets all the attention while the Jan Brady of diplomatic crises is ignored but was just as dire. Thanks!
Well done, I learned a lot about a set of events that were and remain clearly quite complicated.
October 16th, 1962, my birthday! A lot happened during my 1st month of existence; the world almost came to an end. Now close to 59 years later, the world is dealing with another Global crisis; Covid-19. I have lived to see Man walk on the moon, the end of the Vietnam War, oil shortage of the 70s, the rise of terrorism in the 80s to the present day. The beginning and end of the Space Shuttle program and the establishment of the International Space Station. I am a veteran (USN) of the Cold War, 1991 Gulf War, Operations Iraqi Freedom, Global War on Terrorism, and the Post 9/11 world. Oh the things I have seen.
Wow. your historical gems are amazing. Well presented, well researched! Thanks.
I thought that the most dangerous point in the Cold War was Able Archer 83; I mean, we were literally one guy away from Mutually Assured Destruction. Thank you, Stanislav Petrov.
Restraint(s). Some people exercise it; some people need to be put in them.
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I am 68 years old for another week, but I was very late coming to the nuclear disarmament movement. The History Guy's video about the The Norwegian Rocket Incident of 1995 made me realize diplomacy is unable to keep that genie in the bottle when so innocent a misunderstanding could light The Fuse.
3:07 In which the cartographer made Nepal a part of China, and that's why Nepali time is GMT+ 5:45 - so that it's not aligned to either of its bigger neighbors.
I learned a lot from this episode. Thanks and keep them coming
"That the world didn't end is as much as you can hope for."
The more I learn, the more I realize how lucky we are to be alive.
Wow, I learned something new today. This is a bit of history that has not been told to most people, particularly in the West. This background helps give a much better perspective of the tensions in that part of the world (and CIA meddling?) . 🤔. My fear is with nukes in the possession by all three nations today, World War III could actually start in Asia among these powers! 😳
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@Robert Deen "I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones." ― Albert Einstein
Of this we l be sure, there are no real winners of a World War III. 🤯
I love the HG’s presentation of world history topics especially in the 20th century.
I always and always will love your dedication to history and accurate details of those who came before us, History that deserves to be remembered.
Sir, I subscribed to you long before I saw this video out of respect and true to the fact no paper, no radio, no TV show can elicit in 60 years what you did in 16 minutes.
Excellent presentation🤗You always highlight those areas of history that sometimes get forgotten or distorted Thank you for all that you do👍
I don't know if the Sino-Indian conflict is under-remembered or the Cuban missile crisis is over-recalled. A lot of the attention paid to the Cuban crisis came with Robert Kennedy's posthumous memoir "Thirteen Days," which lionizes him and his deceased brother ---and reads like a great thriller.
Thank you History Guy!
This is a great study for the interplay of diplomatic, military, and economic influence and how much luck matters.
AS ALWAYS THE HISTORY GUY, AN EXCELLENT VIDEO!!
Didn't know about China, India,and the rest until I saw this video.
I was six years old during the Cuban Missile Crisis (an older friend of mine was on a minesweeper that was part of the naval blockade).
I was in Key West, Fla. during all of this. I DISTINCTLY REMEMBER the Army(may have been Marine) driving up and down Truman Avenue; the dusk-to-dawn curfew that said ANYONE out on the street would be shot. NOTHING was being taken for granted.
I,also, remember two other things: #1-After the crisis had passed , the entire Truman Elementary School was taken out to Monroe County (later renamed Smathers) Beach, and, we all saw the Army missile batteries scattered in along the beach;#2-Shortly after the end of the crisis, President Kennedy made a visit to Key West. I was standing outside Mrs.Gardner's Rexall drugstore when he rode by. He was flashing that BIG SMILE of his, and, now ,whenever I see old photos of that, the photos don't do it justice.🤔🤔🤔✌✌✌✌
Kudos to you for discussing the Sino-Indian War of 1962 as it was an important episode during the Cold War era that deserves to be mentioned. The Indian army fought very bravely and had excellent generalship, but the surprise Chinese attack along with them being very ill-equip for the harsh mountain terrain made for a very one-sided engagement, at least in the initial phase of the war.
Lesson from history: the CCP always uses global crises to expand their territory.
They all do that sir
Which bits of the American and The Pakistani enthusiasms to expolit the Chinese agresions in Tibet & India did you fail to grasp?
China is truly an Evil Empire. For what they did to Tibet, for their oppressive government (internment camps, "re-education" camps, thought police, etc), police stations all over the world keeping an eye on their citizens living abroad(Google it), and their hacking/spying war they've waged against the West for decades. Even Chinese college students have been caught as spies and conducting espionage in Europe and North America. It's pathetic.
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Thank you Sir for making this happen !
History Guy is best on all social media.
A year before I was born, thank God it turned out as it did.
Excellent episode! I was 10 when all of this was happening & barely knew about the Cuban Missile Crisis. Never knew about the rest. I'll admit there was too much info for me to take in all at once & will have to listen to this again.
Great post, I wasn't aware of this crisis
Thank you history Guy!! Great work
Just one more thing I had never heard of!!! Thank you!!!
I've got a 1962 Mercury Meteor. Funny to drive it and think how things were back then
You have a great tv voice and presentation - you totally could have been on 60 Minutes, and the show CBS Sunday Morning needs to hire you.
How relevant this history is today - many thanks!
I was but a boy in 1962 and wasn't aware of the crisis between China and India. It was a time of uncertainty for sure.
Another excellent video. I didn't know about the Indian-Chinese conflict.
I had to watch it twice and take notes. Great work keeping it succint.
Great episode. Thank you again
The two men that prevented the Cuban missile crisis from beginning WW III.
If interested, check out
Major Rudolph Anderson, USAF and Vasilli Alexandrovich Arkhipov, Soviet Submarine Naval officer.
Major Anderson was the only combat death during the crisis.
Excellent job. This is all new to me.
Great stuff, as always HG!
Really well done episode!
Great topic to cover - definitely was drowned out by the events Cuba.
Highly recommend The Brilliant Disaster by Jim Rasenberger for an astounding read on the Bay of Pigs invasion and how that effected later events.
I've learned something. Thank you.
Your stories are fascinating.
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As always, outstanding!
We're lucky to be here. Very lucky to be here.
Why didn't I have a History teacher this good?
My wife and I have often wondered the same thing. We both hated history in school and were amazed how much we liked it when we learned about history in the real world. I think it has something to do with testing, which makes history too flat and simple.
A vid on the 1970 October Crisis would be a good follow up
I consider myself a well versed student of history, but other than the broad strokes of saying that India and Pakistan have been at each other’s throats since the British exit, Ai had NO idea these events ever happened! I knew the Nehru died in 1964, but essentially that was all. I am again astounded by knowledge imparted by the History Guy!
Mr Geiger, you should consider collaboration between yourself, Drachinifel, and Dr. Mark Felton! That would be a History Lovers Dream Team!
Watched whole documentaries on this and had ZERO idea the U.S. was remotely involved to that extant.
I knew of the Sino-Indian War, but knew very little about it and never connected it to anything else. Thanks.
loved the video sir, would love to see a video on the 1971 Indo-Pak war which resulted in the creation of Bangladesh.
Outstanding presentation
A terrific piece on the early-60s Cold War.
For many the biggest learning point in an academic - but also a practical - sense to come out of the Bay of Pigs (US fiasco) & Cuban Missile crisis (very well handled) was the concept of *groupthink* which the sociologist Janis coined to encapsulate how teams, like Kenedy & his advisors, bahave to either get things right or disasterously wrong.
The Sino-Indian war didn't produce much at all in that sense.
Bob Markin was a good friend of mine. In his younger days he'd served with honor in the US Air Force. One day the subject of the Cuban Missile Crisis came up. Bob informed me that he'd flown that mission. He told the story of how Khrushchev had called Kennedy and wanted to buy grain. Kennedy OK'd the idea but said, "Let's do a little saber rattling. If you make me look good, we'll give you all the wheat you want." Khrushchev said our people are starving. What do you want? They came up with the missile story to end with the Air Force flying to Cuba and then being called back. Bob said he flew that mission. He said that there were no bombs on their planes. He said they weren't even allowed side arms! Then of course the mission was called back and the next January a record wheat sale went to Russia. Bob was a wonderful guy and I miss him. I believe his story. He never gave me a reason not to.
A great episode.
Lovely video as always. It’s interesting how the Sino Indian conflict occurred at the same time and the US was close to being drawn into a greater conflict.
History guy you rock !
I remember from a long time ago a lecture from someone who was 'in the room' during the Cuban Missile Crisis, his take was very interesting. He openly said the famous story that 'only Kennedy and his brother were the only ones in the room NOT advocating for invasion of Cuba' was true but not told with all the details: Apparently, the US has insider intel that the Soviets did indeed plan on putting missiles in Cuba as a bargaining chip AND they heard from Kruschev himself the USSR was unwilling to actually provoke a war over the matter. The US military men saw this as an opportunity to take advantage of by killing two birds with one stone in ending communist Cuba while embarrassing the USSR, the Kennedys were concerned that embarrassing Kruschev could have unpredictable consequences especially if the hawks in lower ranks of either side took rash action (which almost did happen).
In short, actual war with the USSR was not really ever the fear unless something unpredictable happened 'on the ground' (like the sub officer, who knew this wasn't a hill the USSR wanted to die on) but it was rather an attempt by the White House to achieve the end of removing missiles from Cuba without kicking off a possible coup in the USSR which would be unpredictable at best.
I remember both crises. Those were years of many, many different crises.
Thanks for another interesting video. Your videos are always interesting and informative. I was aware of the problems with India, Pakistan, and China; but didn't realize that they were as fraught with peril as the Cuban Missile Crisis.
Did not know about the deal with Mainland China, mostly. I do recall the doings with Cuba.