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[Arcaea Fanmade] - Defection (Beyond 12)
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- Опубликовано: 14 авг 2024
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Disclaimer: All other components of the video goes to their respective owner, I only own the chart
Information:
Song name & author: Defection - By: Teddyloid
Illustration: Defection - By: 美和野らぐ
Charter: At The Speed Of Light (Me lol)
Difficulty/Chart Constant: Beyond 12 (12.0)
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I hope this chart has some more structure to it... Yes this is not very balanced of course, and balancing is what I will work on next (This means I will make the chill parts flow to music but also deadly hard, ex: crazy reverse hand arcs, insane tap patterns...)
If you have anything regarding to this chart, please comment them down and I will do my best to correct them. Thank you all for supporting!
2:01 Jesus! That arc tho 💀
Ez i see
I somewhat don't get it that many people just randomly insult this chart. Arcaea fanmade isn't the official and if the charter likes to do it, that's all what matters. Just take this as a pastime and no need to consider whether it's playable. Instead I like this kind of style because it always makes me feel funny and laugh.
There's actually groups that exist for fanmade chatting. Usually they're strict, and also have standards of how to chart something. When you post this as an average Joe, you gotta expect the criticisms, they can't be stop unless you made something that is appealing and playable. They're strict for numbers of reason, one is to prevent people from ruining the quality of the charting software, basically like a team of scientists, if they did something wrong or something broke out that indirectly involve them, their name would be ruined. No matter if this is a pastime or not, the duty is to prevent something that is considered "low" quality to exist, through teaching them or stopping them at the comment section. Unless if it's written as a joke (which charters can easily see if it's true or not). Secondly is to produce a well established community which I only see it in BiliBili(Chinese RUclips)
@@NoovGuyMC so basically people are dumb?
Let other do what they want lmao
If what they do is "bad quality" they won't be that noticed anyways
And who cares at the end?
You can't be a pro at charting right from the start lmao
@@Ardioz_ what I mean is that people should take the criticisms, the only problem with that is either the person cannot take the criticisms, or the " expert viewer" can't make a good constructive criticism. So the expert viewer will mostly make the criticisms to change the op's way of charting, so it's inevitable to receive that. However if you don't like receiving too much criticism it's way better to share it to a more dedicated group, it's basically like marketing where you start off small before you reach somewhere big like RUclips
@@NoovGuyMC I see what you mean
But some people just wanna have fun and share their fun
Some people just make chart for it to be seen, not to be played
I mean, in the end it's all opinion based, but I rly think you shouldn't say to someone to not upload videos about what they make
RUclips is a platform for everyone to share their passion, if someone's passion is charting for fun, why annoying them? 🤷
@@Ardioz_ I guess that's the balance
RUclips is a place where everyone can "freely"(politics) share their passion, but in return you have higher chance of receiving hate. It's like "the bigger the return, the higher the risk". So if you say "why annoy them" to the audience, it's impossible basically, because this platform is RUclips, broad and wide. Well a smaller dedicated group is of course smaller, but you receive less hate(or no hate) in return
I like to think the song is angry cuz only this song didn't get BYD chart
This is the chart's wet dream.
no but this is my favorite song in the game, it deserves a byd chart
why are people being so damn mean, this chart has its problems for sure but some people are being borderline cruel. y'all ever heard of constructive criticism? also why must a fanmade chart be playable,,, it's a fanmade, who cares
anyway, there's definitely some improvement to be made here but a lot of parts of this show promise and i'm excited to see what you do next :)
The char look strange
how defection felt when i tried to clear it:
I know you are new to charting and do it for fun and that is perfectly fine. But I would like to give some criticism in order to maybe give some insight as to how to make a chart more enjoyable/playable or visually pleasing.
First off: the difficulty and the relation to the game.
Defection is the first chart in Final Verdict and shouldn't logically pose a difficulty as 12. 12 is only meant for the most difficult charts and atm only for Testify.
While I see an effort to make Defection more memorable it should in reality be like a high 10 or a low 10+.
Secondly: arcs and sky notes outside of the usual boundaries.
The sky input is there to define were the arcs and sky note should be. If exceeding this line you will risk making this chart unplayable or give it the status of "april fools chart", which it is clearly not meant to be. While there are rare occasions in which arcs travel above the sky input (like in Arcana Eden) it should always be avoided putting anything there.
However, trace art and such is perfectly fine there, experiment as much as you like. But thinks affevting gameplay should stay in their boundaries.
Thirdly: the chart is way too "epic"
This may correlate with the stupendous difficulty of 12, but what I really mean is unnecessity with slowing down the chart.
You want to make the chart more interesting? Bring in new and exciting (but also playable patterns) Dont add unnecessary speed changes which weren't even there in the original chart. This is the first song in the pack, it shouldn't be that "epic". I hope you understand what I mean by that.
Fourth: 6k parts.
The original chart didn't contain 6k parts and so the beyond difficulty shouldn't have one either. This is evident when you look at Pentiment, Arcana Eden and Testify. All of these charts have 6k parts at the same time on all of their difficulties.
Defection didn't have any in the first place, so in beyond it shouldn't have any too.
Also the 6k parts in this chart are so difficult that it really wouldn't be feasible to play any of that.
4/3 notes at once should be used sparse and if they appear too often can be quite uncomfortable to hit. Also 5 notes at once should also be reserved.
My heavy criticism comes from the fact that you remade an official chart and with that is the difficulty of retaining the same feel.
But on a more positive note: almost all parts are in sync, so that is pretty nice.
So one thing to be clear about... I am not really "remaking" defection... I am not associating with any "remake" style, if you can't understand what I am saying, here is what I mean: Pretend that there was no such pack as "Final Verdict", lets say that the time right now is July 6th 2022. (Arcaea 4.0 was released on July 7th 2022). Now you should know what I mean. If I was trying to make a "remake", there is no point of doing so because this guy already did wonderful with remake: ruclips.net/video/6IvZiwYuwuI/видео.html&ab_channel=%E5%90%83%E7%8E%89%E7%B1%B3%E9%96%8B%E7%BD%90%E9%A0%AD
But I will apply those suggestions if I am making any "remakes"
@@atthespeedbeyondlight9341, well you've got a point. But I still think that my point about ridiculous boundary breaks stands.
A fanmade should be fair/playable. When it is at some points zoomed out like that you may not even be able to hit the floor notes and such accordingly which seems unfair. Especially on a smartphone.
Other than that I understand what you mean.
And I forgot to mention that I have never charted anything myself. I am speaking purely as a player rather than a charter, so I don't exactly now how difficult it is to apply some of my suggestions.
But it's kind of you listening to every criticism you get!
@@phantomy5998 Yes I will definitely take that, I might still keep up with that type of design, but in the charts that I make in future, I will make sure that they are playable
one tip for Arcaea fan made charting.
You can’t put sky notes/arcs below y=0.000 (in the video I think you put some of them at y=-0.200)
The reason for this is that when below 0.000 they will overlap with the “floor” and that will make some parts unplayable
Anyways I like the ideas for the chart very much! Keep up with the good work!
Yea sometimes it will be unplayable when at y=-0.200, but it is definitely playable at y=-0.100, some officials charts even have arcs at y=-0.100, (like "Rise") so I will be careful on that but if you see y=-0.100 arcs in my future videos, don't get mad...
im gonna be honest, i do understand some parts that the charter intended, but holy shit what a chart. a good part was the timing and offset, that was good, compared to previous charts. maybe try to start at lower difficulties, and work your way up to something more difficult.
0:58
everywhere I go
I see his face
Tempest PTSD much 😢
kinda humorous bro, at least it makes me laugh loud in class🤣👉
while you do seem to be improving... somewhat... there are still a lot of things to be said about this chart.
15 - this is unplayable
90 - random multifinger like this is a no go as well. also ending arcs with notes right at the very end of them like this, especially if they end in 2 or more notes is jank.
315 - do not put sky notes right at the end of arcs like this, atleast have the arc end a little earlier to put some space between the timing of the arc and the sky note otherwise this ends up looking jank and is likely jank to play as well. the same thing goes to the arc+floor patterns right after.
450 - do not put arcs further than -0.25 or 1.25, those are simply way too far out of bounds and look ugly. and ending in a double right at the same timing of the arc isnt good either. this problem happens quite a few times throughout the chart so im not bothering with this any further.
723 - do not put 5 fucking sky notes all on the same spot, do not put anything above the sky line except for traces in BYD difficulty unless you're charting an april fools chart or whatever, and jesus christ please consider how playable your patterns are. i hate to break it to you but there's so much wrong throughout everything at this combo and after
this is not getting to the more subjective elements of the chart either. this is not 12.0 as well, but its hard to judge what the cc is due to how horribly balanced it is. the chart literally does parkour over all spectrums of the difficulty scale, and above.
please step your charting range down a notch and work on low-ish level futures and try to study official charts. pulling stuff like this isnt getting you anywhere
1. 15 - (I think you meant "at the point when the combo is 15") Yes it is basically not playable unless... I have a trick for it, use ring fingers to hold the arc at start and then your middle/index/thumb fingers will allow you to hit the notes and holds. But even so, it is still a bit challenging for hands (I was able to fakeplay it because I play piano and I twist hands easily xd). So yes I will take your suggestion, I was only doing that because I thought it looked the best for this situation. Next time, I will change up a bit
2a. 90 - Yes that was not good as well when I looked back but that's the best I can do at that time since I was dumb for some reason, but yes I see that and what I could have done was just use one arc at the bottom and occupy the other hand with some tap inputs.
2b. 106 - Ending arc with arctap wasn't a good idea I agree, I just didn't want it to look so empty. I will try to find other ways to solve the emptiness.
3. 315 - I liked this kind of arc design when I was playing #1f1e33 but I didn't realize the fact that this part of the song is not made for this type of pattern. The place where #1f1e33 put this pattern was at the middle around the 40% and the 90% point which the interval between beats are long. However, for this one, it just doesn't work because the interval is too short to fit this style and I chose to force it by squeezing... Great this section is trash, let's move on (Yes I will never force styles from other songs into mine anymore, I will use them when appropriate.)
4a. 450 - I don't see the problem with this but I get what you mean. This pattern is not like "ugly" but fitting them between -0.25 and 1.25 looks better. I will try to not exceed unless... hm 6k
4b. 468 - So you said ending in a double right/double left is not a good idea. I was just trying to force players to use multifingers. I will reduce the amount of times that this happen in future chart. (I might still put one or two just for fun)
5a. 723 - ok so they are not in the exactly same spot I can assure you, they are like off by a little bit. Also you can see this in mistempered malignance (I am not saying that I am trying to make april fools chart, but that's just what happened)
5b. 723 onwards - At that point I just made it like a 13+ difficulty, and the only reason of doing so was that I felt it was still playable. I don't think I am wrong because you can use multifingers to do it with no reliance on luck (Maybe I just played too much lanota so I am so into multifinger lol) and maybe you don't believe, but I actually uploaded it onto sound game training app and fake played it. It doesn't seem like that there was a problem
Final conclusion: Yes definitely I am going down to at most 11 for next chart, maybe even 10+, and thank you for pointing them out 🙏
@@atthespeedbeyondlight9341 1. no, at most you should try to make it playable for thumbs+index multifinger while handheld. more than that will simply be unfair to the scope of handheld players and end up questionable for even tabletop players for how charts in arcaea are actually like. this also applies to 5b
4a. the problem is that its too far out of bounds. this also goes with 5b
5a. but in mistempered malignace, only 1 of those sky notes is an actual sky note and not decoration. having all 5 sky notes be actual notes and in that close of a proximity to each other will just create hitbox problems and will end up being shitmissy
5b. this is not lanota, please.
and i do not mean going down to 10+, i mean 7-9 range. focus on more core aspects on gameplay so you can get better idea around what charts are supposed to be like. then when you have a good understanding of gameplay and control then you can move on to higher difficulty to try and stretch the rules in ways that actually make sense
@@Rend0w0 I will make some short 8~9 charts and I will release them with my next big chart
@@Rend0w0 Ok so, I am not like arguing or anything, I just want to point out that in mistempered malignance, all 5 notes are actual notes, you can check out any video, if the person hit's that 5 note arc tap, the combo number should increase by 5.
@@atthespeedbeyondlight9341 MM is literally an april fools chart. overlapping sky notes like that isnt ok anywhere else outside of joke charts.
so amazing 🤩
1:57 i swear when the screen zoomed out i literally thought ur gonna dump in a 8k
xd but I didn't
this might sound harsh but
- please chart something easier and
understand the gameplay decisions that
the charting team at lowiro makes
high difficulty is not an excuse to shove in whatever you want
N能代 has given feedback specifically for most of the sections so i cant really say much
I can accept constructive criticisms and suggestions even if they are harsh, don't worry about being rude in the comment section (Unless it is just meaningless criticisms)
Yes high difficulty is not the excuse. But here is a thing for everyone to know about me, I never force the difficulty, the difficulty is just there when I put in everything that I want to put in, and this is often why I underrate my charts. So to improve, starting from the next chart, I will force charts to a difficulty limit and only create within the difficulty line (Possibly 10+ or 11)
Lastly, thank you for your opinion! 🙏
圧倒的な密度の薄さと6鍵によって生み出される地獄のハーモニー
Now idk whether red wall giant flame is more playable than this
a little bit off sync but still well charted! hope you will make even better charts tho.
自做自收,請
如果ArcCore出来的话,我可以试一下,但是1:47的地方很有可能不行,因为太难了xd
oh wow I take a break from arcaea and when I came back the comunity became a lot more toxic
I would like to see whether top players can challenge that. I think this chart is creative enough. But the difficulty is way too far. Should be around 15.
what in the ever loving of the fucking of fuck the what in the
I called Defucktion
譜面も面白い案なんだけどなんか途中でテンポとか曲ガン無視が気になる
I actually like this chart like??? it's maybe playable if you're wanting to torture yourself (but let's be honest, all of Final Verdict feels like torture) and the timing might be a little off but this feels kinda nice, a good kick in the teeth to "perfectionist players" which is usually just what April Fool's charts are. Overall, very nice and thank you for wanting to break all our fingers and wrists
but unlike this chart
the april fools ones are not trash
Idk if it's playable or not but there's some problems in this chart, i don't think some notes' arrangements aren't very sync to the song? Like this part 0:45 for example?
Request: Heavenly Caress BYD 11
man, who decided that "defection" was a good idea?
老哥放个下载链接呗 我想食答辩
This is funny
How tf should I read this?
what the actual fuck
meme chart
Not really, just a badly done chart
when defection was the boss song instead of testify
Seems reasonable... To be fair "Defection" sounds 100x better than "Testify"...
Like Defection is basically the best sounding piece in the whole Final verdict pack, followed by arcana eden and pentiment. My rating for the sounding of the pack is:
Defection > Pentiment > Arcana Eden > Testify > Infinite Strife > World Ender
Arcana eden and pentiment all have great sounds but they are all screwed over by one thing... They sound horrible from the start to 30% of the music, afterwards it sounds perfectly fine. The ironic thing is that lowiro chose the worst parts for PV in both arcana eden and pentiment.
Testify sounds alright but the female vocals are not so good, the male vocal sounds good.
Infinite strife... lol the main melody can be called perfect but the background is noisy, sounds awful and most importantly... I don't know what happened to BlackY, maybe he just went crazy or something but he made the background sound SO LOUD (The first 60% of the music and the last 15%, there was not background noise from 60% to 85%) that I had to listen so carefully to take out the main melody... Good job on ruining your music BlackY.
Let's just ignore world ender since the only good part with melody is 55% to 90%... I don't think I need to explain this as other parts are so messy.
To conclude, I would say defection sounds the best among all songs and should be the boss chart in Final Verdict.
@@atthespeedbeyondlight9341 well, that's the first thing that you get introduced to in the pack to make you have a good impression on it....
it's a shame that it got overshadowed though (mainly because they aren't that well known, unlike... the other artists in the pack)
@@atthespeedbeyondlight9341 peoples taste are unique, for me
Testify - pentiment - arcana eden - infinite strife - world ender
tho all 5 are good in their own way
@@atthespeedbeyondlight9341 idk, different Taste i see... For me, Pentiment >Testify (ngl, the song deserved as last boss) > Arcana Eden > Defection > Infinite Strife > World Ender
Edit : i literally like the whole part of Pentiment, its really give me Goosebumps, if anything can replace Testify, then its Pentiment... But i agree that Lowiro choose wrong Point for PV of Pentiment, but Arcana Eden one is actually best part for PV
some of the timing in this is uhhh
bad
some good ideas in here tho
Oh wow I am actually getting some gold comments out of just 25 views. Thanks to the community!
...bro.
again, start with something simpler and easier instead of this. once again, not even playable to, honestly anyone
You don't have to worry about this anymore xd, I am doing difficulty 7~9 mainly for next video
哥们咱不会做就别发出来了,自己看看乐就行了,放一坨答辩上来给谁吃呢😅
这个,我发不发是我的事,你看不看是你的事,咱们点到为止... 🙃
You didnt credit delta
Oops sorry I will be more careful about crediting in the future.
有興趣應聘dynamix譜師嗎
How are making 6k part?
Do you want to ask: "How do you make 6k part?" or "How are you feeling when you make 6k chart?" ?
@@atthespeedbeyondlight9341 I'm learning this chart programmes, and I don't have the newest version, so I can't make 6k parts
請問6K要怎麼設定?
還有,要怎麼往上擴充(加成8k之類的)
6k要用一个enwidencamera的scenecontrol和一个enwidenlane的scenecontrol
怎么切换Scenecontrol的选项:
首先得下载ArcadeZero 4.0以上版本,然后进去会发现右侧栏中有一个星星标志,点进去,然后会出现一个“小菜单”,在“小菜单”的右上角会写“enwidencamera”点一下,然后就能在“enwidencamera”,“enwidenlane”,“trackdisplay”,和“hidegroup”里选择了。
Enwidencamera和Enwidenlane的结构:
第一个格子是Timing,也就是什么时候你想让它切换,第二个格子是Duration,也就是你想在多长时间让它切换,第三个格子是最重要的,在里面输入“1”,可以在那个时间段让它切换成6k(4k --> 6k),在里面输入“0”,可以在那个时间段让它切换成4k(6k --> 4k)
这应该就是全部了。
所以目前最多是支援到6k?
@@SpTPatrick 用现在的技术,你可以搞8k但是会很难看
@@SpTPatrick 越往上越难看,真的
如果拿来当观赏铺的话还不错,真的不能玩啊这铺
说的太对了xd
This thing, has a huge problem
And it sucks
Please quit Arcaea fanmade charting.
I mean I am just here to deliver creative charts to those who likes my charting. (There are people who likes my chart so I won't just quit because of people who doesn't like it) I am not asking for anything besides suggestions that can make me become better at charting, maybe I will never become good but I try my best. (I like charting stuff myself so why not keep going)
That’s not nice , they are trying to improve and this is not going to motivate them at all .
They may not be producing good charts, but if they're having fun with it, that's all that really matters. You should definitely rethink what you want to say because that could possibly hurt them. If you don't have anything good to say about the chart, whether it be complimenting or critiquing, don't say anything and move on.
BRO CALM DOWN THIS GUY IS JUST A BEGGINER CHARTER WHO JUST WANTED TO HAVE FUN MAN HELL NAWH💀
MY GUY CALM TF DOWN THEY ARE NEW 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 ALSO TELLING THEM TO QUIT ISNT GONNA DO ANYTHING