Should You Use Pressurised Or Pressureless Tennis Balls??
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Pressurised vs Pressureless Tennis Balls
Pressureless balls are becoming more and more popular but how are they different to standard pressurised balls and which should you use?
In this video I show you!
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Ok, after 20 years I finally learned the mystery of my former tennis couch who used extra hard balls that everyone hated. 🤣
Thanks for the video, doesn’t the pressure or no pressure also affect the bounce depending on the altitude you play at? Sea level vs. 2,200 mts for example? At a tournament in Mexico City I was told we had to use pressure less balls to reduce to already big bounce you get at that altitude. Wonder if you know anything about this with your experience? Thanks! Great channel!
When I force my court to use them (doubles), the complaining starts in warmup and doesn't fade until the end of the first set. Afterwards I get the "they're ok" response. However, when we have more than 1 court and we're switching courts each set, the variance in feel is too much and it's back to the Pro Penns. Here in the states, a case of ProPenn's are up to $109 for a case of 24. The Triniti pro's are $135 for a case of 24, so the cost difference is much less than a couple years ago. To me the Triniti pro's last a good 8 hours or more and the ProPenns are done after 4 hours so now there's a cost incentive.
If we (has to start at the top) standardized on pressureless balls; String and Racquet setups and formulations would migrate to the different balls and we wind up in a much more sustainable place. And we better - otherwise the environmental impact will destroy our beloved game.
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Just to make it clear to beginners this guy means 24 pressurised cans. Not 24 balls at $109.
Unless he's getting severely ripped off
Thanks for sharing the differences Ashley! 😊
Well over 300 million tennis balls are sent to landfills or incinerators annually. That is nuts. What over sport uses the ball for a few hours and then trashes it? If tennis converted to pressureless balls and we all strung our racquets a few lbs less the game would be just as much fun. It’s time for tennis to face the reality that it is a source of massive waste and there is a solution. I’ve been using Triniti balls for a year, play pretty hard 5-6 times/week and think they are just fine.
I agree, maybe not for competition. I would probably still use pressurized balls
Recycle the balls or repressurise them
Trinity pros have lasted me 6 months, and are very similar to the pressurised ball. I found Trinity a bit harder
Used around 100 pressure less which lasted for 2 years coaching my son 2 hours a day.
If you use pressurised balls, would you use new balls every session? I'm using pressureless balls right now but playing around 2 to 3 times a week.
Are Trinity the same weight as something like a Wlson Tour ball? They feel quite heavy to me
Triniti is actually pressurised ;) Just the core doesnt let the pressure out - I always call them a hybrid between traditional pressurised and pressureless balls. From Wilsons website: "We used an all-new material to create Triniti’s patented Engage Core, which maintains its fresh ball feel 4x longer than a standard rubber tennis ball core. This new core eliminates the need for pressurized plastic packaging."
So, I heard that this was how Wilson marketed them but when I had a look I couldn’t find anything??. But until I see evidence, they’re pressureless in my eyes! 😆 They have all of the characteristics of a pressureless ball (thicker rubber, harder on impact, non pressurised packaging). Maybe Wilson pumped some air into them so that they can name them as pressurised? I hope that someone from Wilson’s product team watches this and can share some more info. 😁
@@TheTennisMentor I read they were 'low pressure', e.g. 2-3 PSI as opposed to around the 13 PSI of a normal ball. If that is true, you could say they were a hybrid (but closer to pressureless, like you say).
I played with them and after a few minutes they played just fine...lasted me 6 hours of heavy hitting...so worth the money
I drilled holes in Trinitis and it didn’t affect the bounce
If it weren't for the huge drop in profits when tennis balls suddenly last a few years instead of just a few weeks. You have to do the global maths to work out how much money is missing. In my opinion, this is the main reason why the development of unpressurised tennis balls is progressing so slowly.
For the environment, this would be 100% the better way to develop in this direction. But unfortunately, the environment and profit-orientation often get in each other's way. ;-)
For the casual player who plays a couple times a year, sure. For those who actually play and hit with pace and spin, the felt wears just as quickly as the balls lose pressure.
I recon you are pretty much right on the money. We use pressureless balls for beginners who maybe play once a week or group training sessions. Also I agree that if you do 90 min training sessions with pressureless balls, you really start to feel it in your arms.
But I think there is a chance for pressureless balls to improve if there is a demand for them. So yeah, I don't think pros should have to play with pressureless balls but there are too many recreational players who play once every 2-3 weeks who just parrot what the pros say and crack open a new tube every session. I would so like to hand these kind of players a set of pressureless balls and see if they even recognise the difference. Again, we're talking about very casual recreational players here
After a week of using presureless balls I didnt really notice the difference between them and nornal ones, but they do give a consistent ball over a full match, whereas presured ones obviously drop off pretty quickly.
Pressureless is great for long training sessions as you don't have to replace them when they go dead (which they never). They are great on rally walls, and they eventually soften up like regular balls but never go dead. Pressureless Tourna balls are what I use, and they are fairly cheap and have used them relentlessly. Still has a great bounce. Feel great on contact, even more when broken in, and are fun to use in practice matches. I would guess the only way they could go bad is if they get deformed after very, VERY long uses. You can use three pressureless balls and you only probably replace them after one and half years.
I’ve been using Tretorn Micro-x for over 11 years, the yellow/white ones which help not to get these mixed up when the balls roll over to another court. I tried Trinitis and found these to lose their bounce after 2+ months, not to mention these feel ‘boxy’ after a month or so. It’s true that pressureless feel heavier and can hurt your arm, but I’ve learned to adjust my racquet string tensions to 50-52 lbs from 55, and use ‘softer’ polys. I also diligently do elbow and wrist exercises to handle the weight of these balls during my ball machine workouts, and ice/heat prevention post workouts. Pressureless balls also are much less forgiving in misshits, especially when the felt wears off, which forces me to be more attentive about my strokes. Another downside to the Tretorns is that these are far more expensive: about $2.80 per ball vs $1.75 for regulation balls. But the best benefit from practicing with the Tretorns is that hitting regular balls feel so light and I can practically control my shots very well. My consistency is phenomenal and my rally tolerance is over 40+ shots.
i use wilson triniti balls and love them. i use them for match play as well as serve practice in a hopper. they don't really lose their bounce, even when they have lost most of the felt.
Wilson Triniti is USTA and ITF-approved. So I have played with fresh ones for my USTA matches since the home team gets to decide the ball to use. It's used for the WTT team tennis matches.
Why don't they just make the pressureless tennis balls out of something similar to a Racquetball
Preassureless balls are to hard and heavy, they destroy your strings and joints
Thanks for talking about sustainability in the sport, not a lot of people talk about it.
Could you talk about tennis balls you'd recommend here in the UK? Most of the content online is US focused. Thanks!
Dunlop atp or bablot team all court
Thanks ash..going tonight match.😂❤
are Wilson Triniti the best you can recommend for Slinger Bag in regards of 'heaviness'? I tried already Balls unlimited code green + Artengo 160 - both nearly ruined my wrist... Wilson Team W Trainer feel little bit softer but also not comparable to pressurized. Out of your experience, which pressureless are the 'softest'?
I have recently joined a club after a 10 yr wait and unfortunately they have chosen the Wilson Trinity as the official club ball. As per the usual its good for the planet argument, not necessarily 'The Game of Tennis,' the club decision makers jumped on the band wagon and have endorsed these horrible balls. I have used Trinity balls numerous times and they have never failed to disappoint, either in sound, playability or pain in the arm. (Fit for the Bonfire) one critic said on Amazon. They will never be used on the Tour. No offense meant, but these balls are suitable for beginners and low level players and ball machines. It's once again sad, when political correctness and chest beating self righteouness, attempts to make unnecessary changes to arguably one of the most beautiful sports invented by Mankind... Shut down 1 coal plant in China and it will be of far more enviromental value than 10 billion tennis balls..
Wilson Triniti pro balls are much better than the regular triniti
What are your thoughts on using a tennis ball pressurizer? I have been using them for a few years now and they do keep the balls fresher than without them. However, the there is no way to preserve the quality of the felt, which will continue to deteriorate with use. But I definitely do get many more hours out of the balls with the pressurizer.
I think they’re great!! They’re difficult to use as a coach as I use 100 balls at a time but as a player they’re really good for getting more use out of your balls
@@TheTennisMentoryou videos are great! As a coach you can check pressurizers that fit 75 balls , like the professional Pascal Box
Interesting info, so what tension do you suggest if we were to use pressureless balls, I currently use a multifilament at 48 pounds.
Triniti Pro balls are of much higher quality; I would not use any other pressureless ball. In summer, I use pressurized balls, but I use a ball saver to repressurize them between sessions.
And by the way, even though the Triniti costs about 20% more when bought by the case, because they last far far longer they are in fact much CHEAPER per hour of play.
Triniti pros have more felt and less rubber than the original trinitis. The felt lasts longer on the pro’s but due to thinner rubber they collapse more easily. Its triniti originals or tretorn X for me. I cant play with the pros.
What about those devices that keep pressurized balls under pressure? Do they restore the pressure like the manufacturer claims?
They only hold three balls so I don’t use them. I have a corny keg that home brewers use with a valve inserted for pressurization. The keg can hold up to 60 balls. RUclips has a few tutorials on how to make them. For my level, that makes sense and I can overpressure really dead balls.
I love the Triniti it seems to last longer than my other balls
I have no experience with pressureless. are they getting less wet/heavy in wet conditions or it is that they don’t worn out?
Not necessarily, they still get heavier when wet but it takes a lot longer for them to lose their bounce
Thanks for the video, doesn’t the pressure or no pressure also affect the bounce depending on the altitude you play at? Sea level vs. 2,200 mts for example? At a tournament in Mexico City I was told we had to use pressure less balls to reduce to already big bounce you get at that altitude. Wonder if you know anything about this with your experience? Thanks! Great channel!
The manager of my indoor tennis facility doesn't like it when I use Tretorn X in my ball machine, as they generate a huge amount of "fuzz" which ends up all over the court. I (mostly) resolved that by placing a towel in front of my machine. I just bought a box of Wilson Trinity balls to see if they behave better.
I rip trinitis and tretorn micro X three times a week for 1.5 hr each session. Mix in wilson US opens and diadem premier every now and then. No injuries, no problems. Happily interchange good pressurized balls with good pressureless balls without issue. One rule - no propenns they are the most overrated dead rock ball in production. Want an arm injury, hit with a propenn.
It all depends how long/often you play for. Due to the impact on the elbow/arm, the linger you play the more likely you are to have issues with peeddureless balls. They need improving for the professionals and avid recreational players 😊👍
Trinit balls aren't pressureless, though. Except for the sound (which is a bit off), they play just like regular balls --- bouncier than most brands (e.g., Penn, but close to Diadem), but they last a LOT longer. Perfect for a ball machine.
Note it's not really true that carboard is better than plastic for the environment. Plastic is much better to recycle because it's takes less energy and can be recycled many times, paper only 2 or 3 times as the wood pulp breaks down and each time it can only be used for more limited uses. Carboard is obviously better if you are just gonna chuck it in a hedge.
Nice video but... I think you missed the most important point on when to use pressured vs pressure-less... High altitude and weather. I have to play with pressure-less because even with pressurized for high altitude are too fast, specially cause of weather 90% of the courts in town are hard courts
I have Diadem Premier Pressureless balls in my ball machine and definitely limit my ball-bashing sessions to one hour or so. In my doubles matches, I use the Diadem Premier "Pressurized" ball. Once I explained to my mates that Diadem makes a high-quality product and they should tell me if they think they are bad, it's been almost universal that everyone thinks they are a GREAT ball.
You bring up a very interesting point which gave me an idea. I think its would be useful if the hitting "stiffness" rating was labeled on the package of tennis balls. So when you buy trinity, you know the ball will feel stiffer and harder on the arm for example. The industry would have to adopt a standard though as there is no point if company A rates its balls as :stiffness 503 for example while company B rates its balls as : stiffness 58 grams.
Hey Ashley, nice video as usually👍I would definitely like a comparison of Balls for specific surfaces vs an allcourt Ball of the same brand. For example Dunlop Fort vs Dunlop Fort Clay etc. My experience is, that they do Play differently, but perhaps that is totally individual, so I would love to See You put that up to the test.
Trinitis are ace (lol). They just don’t fade. And perfectly fine in UK winters. Deffo my ball of choice.
Super video. Thanks for the info.
Thanks for watching!
I've been using pressureless balls in my machine for the last 15 years. Play with pressured balls at other times. No arm problems, but I only play the machine for around an hour.
Rs balls and Babolat all court work with in the wet winter. They still wear down but not as fast as others. Head tour, xt and Dunlop fort all court are great for normal conditions
Can you make a video on tennis doubles rotation? When do we change sides who serves next etc. Can’t get any clarity online need this!!
The presurless balls feel so stiff and heavy, it is jarring on my arm
Triniti are pressurized, the thick outer layer stops air leakage.
Have you ever tried the karakal pressureless tennis balls?
When I was growing up we used paper bags, and cloth sacks for groceries, our parents used cloth diapers and they were recyclable, and we used to turn in class coco cola bottles for refundable money. I was born in 1971 and I am only 52 years, so it’s only taken about 40 years for people to come up with the Environmental grift! If the Cities, States, and Governments wanted to make sure that Earth was cleaner, they could easily do so, but they don’t worry about this issue, because they make money off scaring people so they will pay more taxes. If we wanted to make sure the Earth is safer and will be cleaner, we wouldn’t have sports at all, because every sport uses equipment that can harm the environment allegedly. Great job on the video and Happy Easter my friend.
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There is a need to move away from wool also as it is neither ethical nor environmentally friendly. As someone else mentioned, if everyone moved to pressureless balls and just reduced the tension of their racquets as you mentioned, it would be a good first step while we wait for truly ethical (non-wool) and sustainable tennis balls to be developed.
Just curious how is wool not ethical? Wouldn't it be sustainable and better than synthetics that produce micro plastics which are permeating all life at a cellualar level?
@@THEMODERNWARPAINTER No, wool is the result of animal exploitation and per se cannot be ethical. Without human interference, sheep grow just enough wool to protect themselves from temperature extremes. The invention of shears led humans to breed sheep for continuous fleece, so it is not a natural product. Like all other farmed animals, they are Frankenstein beasts that hardly resemble the creature they would be in the wild.
Sheep are sensitive prey animals who are prone to panic when held down, which means that, for millions of sheep worldwide, shearing is a terrifying, painful ordeal. There are many documented instances of sheep being kicked, punched in the face, and stamped on in a crude attempt to restrain them and the animals being left with bloody wounds, even dying during shearing. In the end, if they survive being out in the wild, the animals are sent to the slaughterhouse to end their lives prematurely, which in itself is not ethical.
Meanwhile, the Made-By Environmental Benchmark for Fibres ranks wool as a “Class E” fibre, the worst category possible, based on its greenhouse-gas emissions, human toxicity, eco-toxicity, and energy, water, and land use.
The "Pulse of the Fashion Industry" report ranked the production of sheep's wool as more polluting - for cradle-to-gate environmental impact per kilogram of material - than that of acrylic, polyester, spandex and rayon fibres.
Similarly, the Higg Index, collated by the Sustainable Apparel Coalition, ranks wool as the eighth-worst material for cradle-to-gate environmental impact (i.e. from “resource extraction” to factory gate, before being transported to the consumer) - after silk, alpaca fleece, cow leather, goat leather, conventional cotton, hemp, and pig leather.
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@@nrs_6667 Sheep do not get to live their natural lifespan. They are eventually killed for meat once they are too old to produce wool. And shearing is not just like having a haircut. Injuries, often severe, during shearing are well documented. Within weeks of birth, lambs’ ears are hole-punched, their tails are chopped off, and the males are castrated without anaesthetics. Sheep are often subjected to painful mutilations mulesing, a procedure in which skin from their hindquarters is cut off to prevent flystrike, a parasitic infection the animals are prone to because of how they’ve been bred. Because sheep are bred to have more wool than they would naturally, they can often die of heat exhaustion.
Without any recommendation .. could you just add you tennis labels which you use ! Thx
Where's the proof that using pressureless balls only once a week wouldn't lead to injuries that might last a long time? If we're serious about the environmental impacts, we should have something similar to bottle deposit and a disposal fee so that old balls can be recycled properly.
Use your brain and you'll figure it out.
Pressure less balls including Triniti are pure junk, really stiff and injury inducing.