Saudi sisters on run from authorities - and father they say abused them
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- Опубликовано: 19 ноя 2024
- Two sisters, who say they suffered years of abuse at the hands of their own father, have become the latest Saudi women to flee the Kingdom.
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Draconian guardianship laws mean every Saudi woman is assigned a male guardian, usually a father or husband, whose permission is needed to marry, travel and even play sports.
Women, throughout their lives, are always treated as minors.
Dua and Dalal say they fear being "disappeared" if their father tracks them down.
Lindsey Hilsum went to Istanbul to speak to the sisters for this exclusive report.
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As a European I always laugh when i hear the press and politicians talk about freedom, ask yourselves who are Saudi Arabia’s biggest supporters and the answer is every western country
Disgusting Western countries. China is better
You are not European lol
tyrion lannister yeah western leaders have dual faces , they say Muslim don’t respect freedom of religion, speech and their leaders don’t elect other hands they support Muslim regimes to keep the power like sisi, mbs , haftar and other leaders who don’t elect their people
Fred Krueger believe it or not but we’re not all Nazis
Fatima Aziz I’m danish
What a nice guy. Changing lives. He is more of a father to them than their real dad.
I want to thank the we*t for taking our garbage
If two smart girls fighting for freedom is considered garbage I can only guess what's going on in your country
@@luckystone2293 freedom? Says the American. You’re not free. You’re drowning in debt and you pay taxes for literally everything and not to mention you’re all Fkd by banks on intrest rates. So free Murica 🙃
As a male Muslim I stand with them against the oppression
ItsAhmad You could consider yourself as a human rather than expressing your identity.
Mitto M you could just be ok with how Ahmad expressed himself.
Mitto M he said what he said the world assumes all Muslims especially males are ok with this and that’s not true and he’s trying to say that
Your fake muslim 🤷♂️😁
ItsAhmad
You are not a muslim , these 2 women escaped Saudi Arabia because they want gay rights , they are a fucking disgrace
My dreams:Ferrari, Big house
Their dreams:To wake up free
I'm so blessed.
@@яхьякананани free is to be WITHOUT any religion!!
@@яхьякананани yes I know....but you are really free if you don't believe in any "holy" book...
@@яхьякананани once again "chistian love"....
YES I UNDERSTOOD IT and is sad that you can't practise it free...
BUT I explain you when you are really free...free in mind free to do whatever you feel...and NOT TO HAVE TO FOLLOW A "holy" book!!
@@яхьякананани I UNDERSTAND IT!!!!
HOPE TO GO TO FREE COUNTRY!!
BUT I WANT TO SAY THAT RELIGIONS ARE ALL LIES!!
@@яхьякананани as a Muslim I hope your parents understand what you want
You know what I keep seeing in these comments? People who like to blame "Western Countries" for things that traditionally Muslim countries do. Why doesn't each Country be accountable for it's own actions?
Why does west support evil customs always n then show themselves to be superior or liberal? West has infected world with hypocrisy , manipulation and corruption. It all came from them. That' why? Why don't UN, UNESCO blah blah blah raise voice against all these atrocities? Huh???? Fucking hypocrites.
@@dysplasiaanaplasia4128 I think there are rules against it. Every country has a specific autonomy and there is a limit at how much u can meddle in other countries. Without risking war.
No one blamed western countries
@@renatareynoldsxianxian war, seriously
Ex Muslim here, I'm disgusted by the Muslims blaming the sisters in comments
It's in their culture as well as religion, but not all Muslims are like that. I love Turkish people who are Muslims but respect other religions too. My country have a bad relationship with Turkey but I love that country.
automatically thinking they are innocent is disgusting
Chill, im half muslim and half christian. I grew up in catholic ways but Alhamdulillah I decided to be a Muslim. Islam is wonderful, its the people who r horrible
i just dont like how islam thought muslims how to treat woman and how to deal with gays.
@@theoraticalkid1231don't mistake culture and Islam. Educate yourself.
It is not selfish to want control over your own affairs and body. They are not spoiled. They are lucky to have escaped. Btw it only takes a couple weeks for a tattoo to heal. They've been in hiding for months.
Where is human rights?When you are selling weapons to oppressive regime round the world.
Afzal Mirza they do not believe in human rights. They believe in the need of oppressing women.
@@girodt2947 you don't know the actual Saudi women... this shitty media shows you only the negative side of Saudi women. I'm not defending but that's the reality.
Saudi Arabia is called the Kingdom of Humanity, one of the most generous countries in supporting the displaced from war in the world.
Several civil wars such as Lebanon, Yemen, Ethiopia and Eritrea, as well as Djibouti, Eritrea, Afghanistan civil war and Palestine civil war
These children I can say their forms are not Saudi probably from Palestine
You can see the difference between the forms of Saudi and Palestinian children
عبدالله
Saudi Arabians do not all look the same whether Arab or not they still are deserving of help if they are genuine. And Saudi Arabi are one of THE MOST corrupt governments out there... not to mention using Yemen as a battleground! Sitting back whilst watching Muslims all over the world die? They appear to wear the “Islamic clothing” but behind closed doors are the most corrupt and manipulative games. Remember that journalist, Jamal Khashoggi? Hanged to death and abducted in the Saudi embassy, we all found out after several weeks of Saudis denying they had done anything. Soory but get your facts right! Twisted mindsets like these that DONT reflect Islam misguides everyone, the Saudi government DONT represent the true meaning of Islam. The same goes
To isis, the taliban and many extremist groups of the sort.
@@عبدالله-ن6ه2ص I hope so. What the media shows is that they punish and further torture rape victims, that domestic workers lack any human rights and dignity and authorities don't protect them, and that abused women have no escape from their guardians. That's the media. I can only hope that the reality is different
I imagine they had money for a can and hotel and can speak and understand English. I can’t help but imagine the poor girls who don’t have money, can’t speak English and Cannot escape....I’m moved and willing to help
معظمهن كاذبات فلا تكن واثق من ذلك
@@noormaree2975 if they want freedom so why not give it to them?!
@@mesoo4606 الشذوذ والكذب ليسا حرية بل احتيال وفي بلادكم كثير من هذه الاشكال تم كشفها انها استغلال ونصب لضعاف العقول فمعظمهن من اسر ثرية لكن يردن الشهرة على حساب الجميع
@@mesoo4606 where’s your response? 😂
As a Saudi citizen i support them because the government failed for so long to remove the guardianship system and they just did few months ago but still we need more rights to the lgbt community
99.9% of Saudi citizens do not support it and don’t want it in their lands. if they want to be openly gay they can leave the country not corrupt it with twerking in front of our children..
lol your face explain to us why u need cover it, nightmare in reality
@@sarcastic.2210 U think criticizing someone for their looks is cool?... How old r u?
@@sarcastic.2210 Aw, did she say something you could not handle.
انت تشجع المثلية الجنسية مادمت تريد ذلك فستتمنى ان اهلك لم ينجبوك لءن الشواذ لا ينجبون
I wish them the best. In their new life they have made a smart deduction which is to leave this old culture and this country that treat people like slaves especially women women are being abused there and they need our support
Does anyone have an update on these two brave souls?
I hope they're keeping themselves under the radar to avoid being found by their family.
God bless them that’s all that I can say . I hope they can find peace ☮️
استغفر الله
كيف تحطين شعار المسيحيين
کصمك ۔
I wish them happiness, a safe place, refuge... May God protect them ... ❤️
Thats funny going against god and them expecting protection
God is going to destroy them
Ali sad you think god is a punisher. You might try reading corinthians in the Bible 😊
And btw god punishes who goes against him and rewards who follow him or at least that is what islam teaches us
akmelot shli so are many of the humans who troll here.
I hope they live safe these two sisters.
I’m sure they will 😇
This is sad I feel bad for these women.
But USA, Canada, Australia and even EU keep silence about the horrendous human rights records of Saudi Arabia.
USA itself has concentration camps and prison slavery with predominantly black men.
Well geez we can't control EVERY country. Believe it or not, we in the USA dont control every single country and how they treat their people. Why dont you put the blame where it belongs, at the feet of the Saudi Government?
@@MarieAntoinetteandherlittlesis At least you have to voice out on how you support Taiwan and Hong Kong. But instead you keep absolute silence about Saudi Arabia HORRENDOUS HUMAN RIGHTS RECORD.
@@MarieAntoinetteandherlittlesis USA is SIMPLY AN ETERNAL HYPOCRITE.
@@jeffreysetapak Of course the government is full of hypocrites. Question, what Country are you from? It is in the nature of people in power, no matter where on Earth, to abuse their power. The reason why the USA is one of the greatest countries on Earth is because of it's citizens, not it's government. My country is far from perfect, but is one of the best places to live. Fact.
She just wants something simple to wake up with no one to beat her. To be normal away from abuse is all they want to feel safe why can’t they just have that why is it t so hard.
It's so sad how some of people dont understand what it's like living with a strict Muslim community especially in Saudi Arabia! Not becux there gay but becuz its strict and especially for women its strict
Weird considering most of the men there are fruity!!!
She was forced to wear hijab and was beaten when she removed it by the age ten. Yet she is now 23 years old: gay, with tattoos and all. And her family did not beat her to death? And they are in vacation in Turkey? I am glad they want to be free, but their stories do not just add up...
Its on going propaganda against Muslims
Also police tried to rape on street!!!! Dts hilarious
@@nobs997 No. She is portraying her family as socio path sadists who beat her for a very silly reason of removing her hijab at the age of ten (which 100% of all girls with that age in Saudi Arabia do not wear one even in public), and yet she somehow survived another 13 years living as gay and with tatoos with the same family and is even brought to a holiday vacation in Turkey without any mark of physical abuse?
@@nobs997 Many of their statements sound fishy, I'd like to highlight 2 of them:
The attempted rape has a higher possibility to be fake than real. Why?
1. Punishment for rape is death.
2. Mutawas/religious police dont have high social standing & don't have much power. The little power they had even got stripped after the new King. And they won't dare to mess with locals. There are only about 10% locals & everyone related to everyone. The random local you'd see in the mall might be 5th cousin to the King. These mutawas won't risk it. You'd find local girls cussing mutawas out. Only unskilled foreign workers/illegal immigrants fear them.
3. Mutawas mostly work in pairs. And cars in Saudi & most Gulf can't have tinted windows. Almost non existent chance to rape.
4. Saudis don't go out. For them it's house -> car -> office/school/market/malls -> house. You don't see them on the streets, even more so if they're females. And women move in pairs or more. And again they don't walk around on the streets. Very very slim chance for a woman to walk alone and encounter criminal & got assaulted/mugged in Saudi.
This story would be more believable if they were (Asian or African) expats working domestic getting assaulted by their own bosses in private residences.
I also found it rather odd they went on a vacation in Turkey. Not saying it's impossible, but small chance of this happened within past 2 years. Saudi & Turkey don't have good relation. It got worse when Turkey decided to support Qatar. The Prince has been calling for a boycott. Less Turkish products sold in Gulf countries, except Qatar. Less Saudis & other Gulf Arabs except for Qataris go to Turkey. Even lesser after Khashoggi. Just look at the news about the ghost town that was supposed to be sold to Arabs, no Arabs come to buy.
@@latesukiyaki
Stop lying to yourself. It's not an accident that several saudi women are running away to the west. It's not an easy decision to abandon your family and run away from them.
No one should judge them as they just want to be free and safe. It doesn’t matter where they came from it only matters how they will be helped and given a safe haven. Life can be very rough for women in Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries. No one can even imagine since everyone in western countries has the freedom and opportunity to advance and do as they want. These girls wouldn’t be stating what they’re looking for if it wasn’t true as they are risking themselves just by showing their faces. I pray that they can escape the abuse they had in the past. God bless their bravery.
They are not looking for something luxury lifestyle but freedom 🙌 freedom is above all things these girls and others like them know the bitterness of life without freedom
when we are free and go whenever we want It's good to remember those who don't have what we have and pray 🙏 for them.
what do you mean by that? We are free, but we are conservative for the sake of the Islamic religion, and praise be to God, the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is one of the largest and largest countries in terms of safety and security. Freedom, stability and everything that comes to your mind ✨ ♥ ️🔥🇸🇦. I am sure that this message will reach every non-Arab foreigner, because when all foreigners hear about Arabs, they think of terrorism and that they are restricted and have no freedom.
@@blinkforever3172 i don't have problem with Islamic religion or any other religion. but women should have equal rights with men.
I am from 🇺🇸 and I don't think that all Arab countries are terrorists.
But these women are testifying about the things they saw by their own 👀....
@ blink forever if what you said was true then so many people wouldn't try to escape s arabia and,if your country had any concern for human rights it wouldn't be run by these tyrant royal dictators who can order to easily murder and chop off anyone in their embassies
I wish them happiness
It’s unfortunate how for many people their dreams could be summed up in being able to sleep and get up freely with no fear
It’s not selfish to want to have the control over your affairs and life it should be one of the basic human rights !
Hopefully this 2 poor souls find a peaceful life and all the happiness ❤️
Please UPDATE!!! If anything can we donate to them?
To whom? To saudi government 🤣, jus kiddin
The kingdom of the hypocrites !
MBS protected by Mr Trump !
how can parents be so cruel ,shame of you parents
they learned about a different life from movies.
toobalkain dont say that, have you been to saudi? Have seen young girls 16’s, who bathe their bodies with gasoline and burned themselves because the are forced to marry an old man? You know nothing.
Jonah Pedrera you’re a liar
He’s dreaming this Jonah guy.maybe he means in his banana republic country
toobalkain From the Internet that there are safer places for women to live, where they are allowed to thrive and prosper and realize their dreams.
@яхья кананани get financially independent, 20's a good time to start building your assets. Not to mention it'll prove to your parents you're capable of taking care of yourself.
C'mon. Please watch the Vice documentary. It sheds more light on this issue. Let's not pretend that we do not know what women in most Arab nations go through. Whether they come from Royalty or not. Ask yourselves why princesses or girls from rich families will decide to flee during a trip and live in fear that they will be arrested and deported/taken back to their countries? Surely its not because they were having the time of their lives. There are many people in need....agreed but is one's life better than the other just because we want to debate social stratification? It is sad to lose one's life under any circumstance especially if its an order from your own father. Imagine fleeing from something and never being able to get away from it because you are always fearful that something terrible will happen to you at any moment. Imagine being told that your father has paid large sums of money to get people to reveal your location and there is a possibility that you will end up dead or locked up in your pursuit for freedom.
What is the documentary called???
I totally agree, and don't forget the "Honor killing " part, which is most Muslim countries are okay with and don't have a strict law to prevent it.
1:54 lets be accurate - its not just permission, it is also the supervision. they are not permitted to be alone in public for x,y,z reasons.
Why?
What are you saying? My sister travels with her friends.
x,y,z reasons being rapists like the one who attack the younger sister? Or maybe so they get an actual responsible and professional guard so they aren't harassed by their own families?
Islam has to drop this "perfect men" facade.
Everyone knows that islamic men are as human as their wives and children; And a single human can't be considered able to control the lives of so many people just because they happened to be born male.
In other words, like in any society, there is scum amongst iranian men, and for the sake of protecting women and children, they need to be able to claim their own basic human rights and decide for their own on personal choices (specially grown-up women).
@@TRak598 the guardian must be someone they can’t marry unless they get married
Life in Saudi Arabia depend of the grace of your father or other male guardians
I wish for them safety and happiness x
Emma JK as do I.
Just not in the UK.
@@gignetheninj Why?
Emma JK cos we seem to take in everyone, and to be honest we’ve got more than enough immigrants here already.
@@gignetheninj Thanks for answering. In this specific case, I am happy if we in the UK can protect these young ladies from being abused, raped or even killed.
@@emmajk7433 😡😡😡😡
Please dont Say That Its haram in islam to sleep With ur husband that’s the (culture) cuz I’m muslim my self and I live in a muslim country we’re not forced to do nothing like that or wear hijab❤️ Please don’t make Islam look bad
"Please don’t make Islam look bad"
Okay I won't, but Islam will be the judge of that.
Yet can't help people running from war zones country which started by western. Hypocrisy at its best
At its best
Here we go again, mentioning "western".. Have you also looked at Saudia too?
Somehow this looks fake
She has a tatoo , it's illegal in saudi Arabia and the tatoo doesn't look new. And her parents didn't beat her for having a tatoo so ...
The case is solved . The end
This doesn’t define anything their is no tattoo place in Saudi Arabia so no way she got it when she was their it’s probably recent or after she escaped some immature tattoo artistic have this grayish washed down look and you really can’t tell how old are tattoos or if she did have a tattoo she probably hide it from them it’s on her back and she might wore long covering clothes it’s very easy to keep tattoos a secret especially since she has to wear covering clothes
are you aware of the fact that literally anyone could tattoo them ?...
Actually you can get a tattoo Very easily in Saudi Arabia now
Most of my Saudi friends have tattoo
@@marsrid2426 well yes but in her situation it's more like impossible
I wish we could save the girls who are victims of extremism
*So you were abused but your parents can take you to first class in a flight going for a vacation in Turkey and you got earings with a cross and youre a gay with a tattoo and your sister with a fake wig, YOU GUYS KNOW HOW TO ACT AND IT SEEMS YOU HAD WONDERFUL PARENTS TO LET YOU DO ALL THE ABOVE! KEEP THE GOOD WORK OF WORKING WITH ISLAMOPHOBIANS YOUR DAY IS ONE DAY, JUST ONE DAY WATCH!*
@Gigi Oakwood I heard from your classmates that you're always talking NONSENSE AT YOUR COLLEGE 😂
@Gigi Oakwood That was when you're at your college. Sad the way you speak at your age you attack someone by telling them you make no sense, Who do you think you are? If you think something doesn't belong to your side why interfere with your nonsense comment's? YOU TOLD ME TO GO HOME WELL, AM AT MY MANSION AND FOR YOU, GET WELL SOON YOU'RE FEVERISH!!!
How do you know that they flew in First Class? How do you know that she always hid the earrings from her parents and only started wearing them after fleeing? What's so great in owning a wig? Does it make them sound rich? Rich people can't get abused? The mere fact that they can't travel freely is abuse. Period.
@@RMatt2016 Well how do you know that a family knows them and they told the public? Rich people can't get abused? Well your mind lied to you. Better go and worship your idol God because you're far from their religion by knowing nothing only trying to show you care about those girls so that you're given a credit. You've got your family to care for bruh mind your family.
What cross in the earring ? That’s the key of life , it’s an ancient Egyptian symbol . Go to Egypt and you see many men and women wearing it.
Wtf how on earth these parents treat inhumanly to their own children .....in the name of religion ...
so true just in name of religion
This is NOT our religion. I am a Muslim and treating ur children like this is not allowed 🤦♀️
No, in the name of islam
@@Wastingtimeee1Stupid liar
Islam is problem
3:45 i don't know what Saudi government teach you about islam but that is really wrong,it is not haram at all.
Quran 4: 34 says men are
In charge of women by right of what Allah has given one over the other... From those wives whom you fear arrogance advice them, then forsake them in bed and STRIKE THEM(beat them)
@@Biobele 4:34 Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous women are Qanitat and guard in the husband's absence what Allah orders them to guard. As to those women on whose part you see ill-conduct, admonish them, and abandon them in their beds, and beat them, but if they return to obedience, do not seek a means against them. Surely, Allah is Ever Most High, Most Great
@@Biobele this is from the bible : "Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Saviour."
Ephesians 5: 22-23
"Let a woman learn in silence with all submissiveness I permit no woman to teach or have authority over a man; rather, she is to remain silent."
1 Timothy 2: 11-12
@@Biobele honestly all abrahamic religion like to downgrade women,like literally bad!
@aiderin yusof so when your religion gets exposed you try to find the same faults in other religions 😂
Brave girls....
Parents are also to blame.
Please does anyone know how to send them money? Thank you.
Not sure what happened to this girls
How come I never hear about women from rohenga?
Exactly! They have time and mercy for Saudi girls whilst their own girls are targeted by predator grooming gangs in their own backyard, UK.
You mean Rohingya?
How many cases of rape in America and Canada etc .. How many vagrant women .. How many cases of beatings in these countries .. How many women are exploited in prostitution and advertising and sexual harassment etc ..
The issue of these channels is to spoil Saudi women
@@عبدالله-ن6ه2ص You beat and behead women for things that would not be crimes in the Free world.
@@عبدالله-ن6ه2ص 😆
Theyre beautiful women and hope their life is ok at the moment.
easier said than done stop buying Saudi Arabian oil !
cing earth cingearth hey stupid, if Saudi Arabia shits off it’s oil production for just a day the whole world would come begging Saudi Arabia to reopen. Do some real research stupid.
abdulaziz algubaisi you don’t have to call him or her stupid
@@abdulazizalgubaisi2980 The United States is the world's biggest oil exporter, NOT Saudi Arabia.
Russell Anderson Saudi Arabia shut off half its oil production a couple months ago and everybody knew what happened. Do your research about oil production and how it works and how Saudi Arabia is the key player in oil production.
@@abdulazizalgubaisi2980 Since 2013, the USA has been and still is the world's largest exporter of oil and natural gas. OPEC has no more cards to play.
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Any word on what the outcome is for them?
something about this screams fake. How did she get a tattoo already?
I worked in saudi as a nurse in 2013 and one young saudi female patient had a tatoo, she studied in uk. Its not impossible to have one.
Go there... dont assume..
Some of them even have a lot of piercing.
@@anonymousalien3762 well she most likely got it in the UK.
@Avi theres no tattoo parlours in saudi Arabia that's what they meant ig
@@UnknownSend3r yes for sure
@Zig Zag no one cares about short hair it's hair
I wish i could get a barrister help as these 2 girls to get from my so-call mom & husband & kids
Joan Morris kids?
@@goldeneyes581 what u mean
Joan Morris why do you want to get away from your kids?
@@goldeneyes581 i did not say i want to get away from my kids. As a matter a fact i have no kids
One sister is a lesbian and the other is a boy dressed as a girl!
Something not right with this story.
Speak arabic so we can here what accent u have. Other wise FAKE NEWS 🙅
It's true please
There’s a documentary about them in Vice channel
Idiot.
Why cant they just be left alone.
Really they are from Saudi Arabia, which kind of education they received?
I questioned that to.
@pjdsa about their behavior
Western education...🤷🏼♂️
Even if that video was propaganda, there are many videos that show Saudi and Emirates women who escape oppression.
Fake garbage, even if its true then why give more attention to them? Are they especial? These kind of abuses happen all over the world, in every country
It’s not fake news! Who are you?!? Donald Fucking Trumph! And FYI women born in other countries are born free and independent from a man guardian for the rest of their lives.
Guardian system to be reviewed? A great rhetoric in expectation of the reaction from western countries. For some of the countries Saudi dollars are still more important than human rights so Saudi government men have really nothing to fear. At worst they can direct attention to Iran.
Saudi government is under no obligation to "review" their laws for the satisfaction of any foreign country, nor for that fact, for the satisfaction of a random internetian.
@@mohaamd_7505 So you're going to keep on violating human rights with impunity. Sad.
@@Beamshipcaptain Bro there are literally millions of injustice cases around the globe, the media's obsession with Saudi Arabia is just disgusting.
@@mohaamd_7505 As long as injustice, segregation, and inequality exists, the media and human rights activists will shine a spotlight on it for the world to see. And hopefully pressure things to change. The male domination of Women and male guardianship of adult women is humiliating and disempowering for women.
@@mohaamd_7505 Saudi Arabia is just the most glaring and obvious example of institutionalized injustice around the world.
This isn’t just Saudi , this is basically the whole Middle East
Really? You obviously haven't visit each & every country in Middle East. If you have you wouldn't say that.
On these girls, I found many of their statements to be fishy. I'd highlight some of them:
Her story about the attempted rape has a higher possibility to be fake than real. Why?
1. Punishment for rape is death.
2. Mutawas/religious police dont have high social standing & don't have much power. The little power they had even got stripped after the new King. And they won't dare to mess with locals. There are only about 10% locals & everyone related to everyone. The random local you'd see in the mall might be 5th cousin to the King. These mutawas won't risk it. You'd find local girls cussing mutawas out, you can even watch vids here on YT. Only unskilled foreign workers/illegal immigrants fear them.
3. Mutawas CAN'T arrest people & take them to their cars. And they mostly work in pairs. And cars in Saudi & most Gulf can't have tinted windows. Almost non existent chance to rape.
4. Saudis don't go out. For them it's house -> car -> office/school/market/malls -> car -> house. You don't see them on the streets, even more so if they're females. And women only move in pairs or more. And again they don't walk around on the streets. Very very slim chance for a woman to walk alone and got assaulted/mugged in Saudi. It's not USA nor India where women got raped left & right.
This story would be more believable if they were (Asian or African) expats working domestic getting assaulted by their own bosses in private residences.
Hijab only mandatory for women to wear when they are out. Women not girls. I've seen 12-15 years olds without hijabs in malls. And in their houses or other private places they don't wear them. So it rather strange to hear they got beaten for taking them off. And now it's not mandatory anymore, although abaya the long black robe still is. For the women who are still wearing the hijab they are far more relax with it (some hair & neck are showing).
I also found it rather odd they went on a vacation in Turkey. Not saying it's impossible, but small chance of this happened within past 2 years. Saudi & Turkey don't have good relation. It got worse when Turkey decided to support Qatar with the whole blockade on Qatar thing. The Prince has been calling for a boycott for Turkey as well. Less Turkish products sold in Gulf countries, except Qatar. Less Saudis & other Gulf Arabs except for Qataris go to Turkey. Even lesser after Khashoggi. Just look at the news about the Turkey ghost town that was supposed to be sold to Arabs, no Arabs come to buy.
Then the inconsistenty on how these two described their escape. And their whole look & mannerism. Have you worked or volunteered for abused youth/women? Maybe you'd know.
so ignorant of you honestly
Except for Israel.
@@Kashkha7 Women don't "get raped left and right" in America. We have laws that protect women. Here women are treated as equals, so rape is rare here. Rape is a crime of violence and humiliation, not lust.
Every western country should automatically grant asylum to these kind of girls. Where are the feminists?
The feminist are doing stuff.
"who say they suffered years of abuse at the hands of their own father", every day in west this happens but this makes a headline ?
Don't believe what they say, this is not about women's rights, these two young girls are in a relationship, and the West wants to push LGBT on Islam.
@@sterlingforever4913 They are sister,s ! How can they be in a relationship ? Only one is lesbian !!
@@guleet75 I can't say these girls are in relationship. But being related doesn't mean you can't have sexual relationship. We hear so many stories about incest stories. Father marrying daughter, brother marrying sister and they have families & have children. And when it comes to gays, the chance of having sexual & romantic relationship might be bigger. And entertainment industry including porn & fashion industry fetishize & promote it. Have you heard how Gigi & Bella Hadid were made to pose in suggestive poses with each other while fully naked on British Vogue? Do you know that incest especially twins is very big in porn industry?
sterling Forever ew, they're sisters. Are you braindead?
I don't think it's about abuse. It's about not having any social space.. As a gay women that girl has no recognition and is culturally alienated. Once you feel that alienation you can't be part of society anymore and that's why they want to flee.
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These countries are not following Muslim religion as its
But they are practicing culture
EXCUSES! Intertwined completely.
Will Saudi Arabia come out of Islam!
Leader of the Islamic world
In its territory Mecca and Medina
The Islamic World League, the Islamic Bank, the World Organization for Islamic Youth, the Islamic Army, the Islamic University in Medina, and the Islamic University of Imam Muhammad bin Saud University, from Islam, are the descendants of the companions.
They are practicing pre-islamic culture based on ignorance (Jahiliya)
I hope they were granted asylum. Any updates on them?
This is coming from Britain who laid the foundations for the saudi state and still supports it. MBS met the queen 3 months ago. Lol seriously.
Can i also seek asylum . My father hasn't allowed me to step out of the house without him since 2020 , He has stopped my education . He has sexual assaulted me numerous times but I am afraid to stop it because nobody trusted me one my teacher sexually assaulted me everybody said I was making excuses because I am not good in Arabic. He has also threatened me if I ever did something which he didn't approved of , I would be bedridden for ever. Can I get help without getting in trouble. I am not an adult ,I am 16.
Which country are you in?
، تحية لحترام واجلال لشجاعتك في التصدي الى مجتمع ذكوري مجحف يكسر شوكة المراة بصورة منهجية منظمة بنصوص صريحة واضحة من القران. . قوانين الشريعة هي وحشية وبربرية وتقمع المراة باسم الدين. والكل يعرفها من ميراث، والشهادة وحق الرجل في التمتع والجمع باربعة نساء في وقت واحد وفوق ذللك ملكات اليمين. الذمة أي دين هذا يكافي الرجل جنسيا . أترك لكم الجواب . احترامي !
man reporter has the best tie ever
My dreams: to get rid of my student debt, to only have to work one job to be comfortable, get two cats, and get married and raise a family.
Their dreams: to not be persecuted under an oppressive theocracy.
It really puts things into perspective. Maybe my problems are not as bad.
Does any one have an update please?
Are you sure they’re Saudi? They look as Saudi as Bruce Lee looks Norwegian.
Im sick of Saudi Arabia religious hypocrisy!!!👎🏿
This is a unique story which I think the Hollywood will be interested in...
Do they have instagrams? Twitter? Anything? Is there any update on these girls?
I've seen their twitter acount before but i think they disappeared
Toby Cadman had tweeted on June 2020 that they're safe and that they got accepted into an university
Loving the nkete tie!
Tukish police did great job by saving them from this hellhole goverment.
Run ! Get out from Saudi Arabia !
It is their parents faults. They can't teach them islamic life style.
I truly hope you and your sister have freedom and peace. I also pray your parents, see that religion moves on. To your parents!!! Your daughter's live in the modern world. Love and accept them please... Isn't the love of our children we choose to bring into this world,yes our choices of parents.. by the love of God let your children have their choices now
Any updates about what happened to them?
Forced to wear hijab at the age of 10.. sis I had to put mine on when I was 7..
that sucks for you
“Forced” is different from Willingness. That right there is an issue.
Why?
Yaab badanaa
Most Muslim girls love copying mom wearing hijab. But if you live in western country, no one wears hijab it's understandable that you wouldn't want to being influenced by the environment you in
any update
Saudi kids are so fed up of pampering and luxury life,that they wanna experience the other side of life.
Sick society
Good luck to them I hope
I am an American citizen who was brought to live in Saudi Arabia when I was only 10 years old, back in 1989. I am now 44 years old, unmarried, and without children. Living conditions for me in Saudi Arabia are very poor. I never had the opportunity to receive a proper education, and finding a job here is extremely difficult. My future in Saudi Arabia is uncertain. My elderly parents are retired and have no income or insurance. I work as an English tutor, and my monthly salary is only 1,000. Thankfully, we have a friend who is currently providing us with housing. My father does not want to leave the country, but I feel like my life is slipping away with each passing day. If anyone can provide assistance with my situation, I would be more than grateful. All I want is a way out or at least a job so that I can support myself and my parents.
i wish i had a sister i could do this with
Next up find them a porn agent who will sign them up. Because that’s freedom in the west.
Yes that's a form of freedom if someone wanna be a porn star he has the right to
The Saudis are in this mess because they abandoned the Quran Al Karim and Sunnah of the Prophet sallalahu alaihi wassallam.
Please help them.
Terrible fear
Freedom
Is there an update on these two sisters?
@Dell Wright are they doing okay? Which I hope they are. Thank you for answering my question btw.☺️
Haram life in canada
These two sisters don't seem to fit the Saudi outfit.
Their English is very good and their accent is not heavy.
The lesbian seems to be somewhat experienced from Saudi?
If they feared for their life, they would never show their faces in fear of being recognised.
They look very confident and well rehearsed in their interview.
Until a response from their parents is not sought, then this could or could not be genuine.
Are you an ex Muslim?
raul99 j i think he is Muslim already.
@@Gavriela_AM
Is it because he is casting valid doubt on the authenticity of the above video?
So he is a Muslim and everyone else who accepts this video as true and accurate are not Muslims?
But u r our sisters we don't hate u and never
I thought the person with the shaved head was guy 😂
update?
This Is good way to get asylum
What kind of parents have they got
This is where the creme de la creme of society comes together to discus politics .Wow ...
A sentiment about how you perceive yourself? How far vanity has devolved...
Why is it difficult for you people to help en live happy life?
Best of luck to them
I'm all for justice but these girls seem like pulling a Nayirah alSabah (thanks to her false testimony Iraq wars happened).
I've been to Saudi & other Gulf countries and I know quite well the people & their culture & how things operate there. I found many of their statements to be fishy. I'd highlight some of them:
Her story about the attempted rape has a higher possibility to be fake than real. Why?
1. Punishment for rape is death.
2. Mutawas/religious police dont have high social standing & don't have much power. The little power they had even got stripped after the new King. And they won't dare to mess with locals. There are only about 10% locals & everyone related to everyone. The random local you'd see in the mall might be 5th cousin to the King. These mutawas won't risk it. You'd find local girls cussing mutawas out, you can even watch vids here on YT. Only unskilled foreign workers/illegal immigrants fear them.
3. Mutawas CAN'T arrest people & take them to their cars. And they mostly work in pairs. And cars in Saudi & most Gulf can't have tinted windows. Almost non existent chance to rape.
4. Saudis don't go out. For them it's house -> car -> office/school/market/malls -> house. You don't see them on the streets, even more so if they're females. And women only move in pairs or more. And again they don't walk around on the streets. Very very slim chance for a woman to walk alone and got assaulted/mugged in Saudi. It's not USA nor India where women got raped left & right.
This story would be more believable if they were (Asian or African) expats working domestic getting assaulted by their own bosses in private residences.
Hijab only mandatory for women to wear when they are out. Women not girls. I've seen 12-15 years olds without hijabs in malls. And in their houses or other private places they don't wear them. So it rather strange to hear they got beaten for taking them off. And nowadays the ladies are far more relax with their hijabs.
I also found it rather odd they went on a vacation in Turkey. Not saying it's impossible, but small chance of this happened within past 2 years. Saudi & Turkey don't have good relation. It got worse when Turkey decided to support Qatar with the whole blockade on Qatar thing. The Prince has been calling for a boycott for Turkey as well. Less Turkish products sold in Gulf countries, except Qatar. Less Saudis & other Gulf Arabs except for Qataris go to Turkey. Even lesser after Khashoggi. Just look at the news about Turkey ghost town that was supposed to be sold to Arabs, no Arabs come to buy.
Then their whole looks & mannerism. Have you worked or volunteered for abused youth/women? You'd know.