HIFIMAN ARYA, LCD-X, SENNHEISER HD800S, FOCAL CLEAR MG AND CLEAR OG | A battle for supremacy 

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  • Welcome to the battle for supremacy. In this versus category we have some of the best open-back lower tier flagships on the market competing for your hard earned cash. Let's choose which is best to suit your needs.
    Timestamps
    00:00 Intro
    02:29 Headphone lineup summary
    05:13 Comfort and build
    08:02 Overall sound characteristics
    13:12 Frequency response breakdown
    15:42 Midrange.
    16:30 Treble.
    17:55 Target Audience
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  • @ConvinceMeAudio
    @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад +3

    To our newcomers welcome, to the old crew welcome back
    We hope you enjoy this battle Royale, and if you do pick one up on Black Friday drop a comment on your experience of the headphones.
    You can join us over at audio lounge here
    t.me/joinchat/8R0_6_NZUygzYjdk

  • @ivandubov2537
    @ivandubov2537 2 года назад +1

    Another great video, thank You!

  • @TheIpadfanatic
    @TheIpadfanatic 2 года назад +9

    I am so fortunate to own a pair of FOCAL Clear OG and Audeze LCD-X and I am in agreement of your assessment of these headphones. I do not have any experience with the remainder, sadly. LCD-X is my go to for EDM & Rock and Jazz and classical because it gets me most of the way there in it's technical performance. The HD800S would be my preference when budgets allow. Well done sir!

  • @martinsoo6332
    @martinsoo6332 2 года назад +7

    As always, great overall review. Price to Performance to Built no doubt will be the Clear OG now.

  • @AVICK_22
    @AVICK_22 11 месяцев назад +1

    Best and more entertaining comparison and analysis I saw till now.
    Decided for FOCAL Clear MG for easy of drive and looking.
    Also have a FOCAL Celestee as closed back and love them too.
    Thanks!

  • @sashac3323
    @sashac3323 2 года назад +2

    Well done, great video! I've got the clear og, perhaps I might add an Arya as a compliment to the focal. You've given me something to think about, but the wallet doesn't like it 😁

  • @FabioKasper
    @FabioKasper 2 года назад +1

    Great shootout.

  • @surdzo
    @surdzo Год назад +1

    One of the best reviewers on YT excellent job.
    I would like to hear your opinion about Sennheiser HD820 and if possible compare them to other headphones in its class.
    Keep doing good reviews. Cheers and Tnx

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  Год назад +1

      Hi, thank you for the kind words it’s very much appreciated, and welcome to the fam 🐅
      HD 820 closed back, going up against the likes of
      Stellia Liric ZMF vC even th900
      It’s been a long time since I last heard it, but unfortunately it’s not my favourite headphone in the slightest. In fact, it was one of the worst experience I’ve had in the flagship realm when it comes to close back.
      It feels as though SENNE I just slapped on a glass pretty covering and called it a day and it’s disappointing for me
      But it’s so rare to see one, in the wild. It’s very very difficult, getting hold of One to do a proper in-depth review.
      But as of the ones I mentioned up there, I would choose them all over HD 820. From my memory of the previous time I heard it
      It felt like I had my head inside a bucket, and the reverberation and residences was god-awful

  • @tillespeli7652
    @tillespeli7652 2 года назад +2

    @ConvinceMeAudio This is the best headphone review on youtube, thanks! Can you tell me, why does everybody prefer the OG over the MG? A lot of people say that the MG are crap

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад +1

      They are most certainly not crap
      But there is a spike in the upper treble region. Depending on your hearing, like I stated in the review, or your age, below 22 for example, it can become quite fatiguing

  • @DarbyCDoll
    @DarbyCDoll Год назад +3

    I’ve been doing a deep dive on exactly these 5 trying to figure out on my own which is right for me and my small headphone collection. Been having a hard time deciding where to spend my hard earned. This was a huge help putting them all together with pro advice - thanks!

    • @BillyKueekSG
      @BillyKueekSG Год назад

      Which did you get?

    • @DarbyCDoll
      @DarbyCDoll Год назад +3

      @@BillyKueekSG Focal Clear MG - awesomeness!

    • @BillyKueekSG
      @BillyKueekSG Год назад

      @@DarbyCDoll, I have the Arya Stealth, HD800S and Clear MG. I wanted to sell the Clear MG though I love that’s it’s beautifully designed. Then I got the Gustard R26 recently and the Clear MG now sounds another level better so I won’t be negotiating with anyone, but will sell if I get the price I want. Otherwise, I will just keep it.

    • @kyleo2113
      @kyleo2113 Год назад +1

      @@BillyKueekSG hi there - I have an ananda and a clear MG and was looking for my next headphone - I was considering a HD800s or an Arya - I am trying to find something different from current - I like the Clear MG for the intimate punchy nature and the ananda for a bit more spacious sound but a bit laid back - looking for another departure from both of those - I was thinking HD800s because it seems the most different but would love your opinion

    • @BillyKueekSG
      @BillyKueekSG Год назад +2

      @@kyleo2113, the Clear MG. Arya Stealth and HD800S are all considered “mid-range” although here in Singapore, both Clear MG and Arya Stealth is priced about the same whereas the HD800S is priced about US$650 more. Of the 3, I prefer the Arya Stealth most but it’s my preference. HD800S is good for certain genre and is very different from the 2. It is clear, detailed, lean, clean and wide soundstage (many called it the soundstage king), I also found myself analyzing what I hear instead of just layback music listening but I feel Bass is lacking. Planers and this HD800S will need a good amp to drive it, HD800S is high impedance. I bought it for the same reason of wanting different sound and to have varieties. However, I am thinking of selling the Clear MG and the HD800S and go for a “high-end” planar since I believe I already have a “high-end” dynamic in the ZMF Atrium. Sorry if I may make this tougher for you.

  • @newsigmundfreud3023
    @newsigmundfreud3023 2 года назад +2

    Yes, this is a good video episode to watch to a get clear and sorted out picture and idea about these headphones. Thank you very much. Are you talking about Arya STEALTH edition? How about which amp goes well with which headphone? How about talking difference in tube amps, or what’s involved in tube amps? Which solid state amp can do instead of tube (headached) amps?

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад +1

      Arya v2
      There is a section as far as I can recall where I discuss the type of amplifiers you should be looking for for each specific headphones
      We have not started on the journey of tube amplifiers just yet those reviews will be coming after January, the pendant should be here tomorrow to review with ZMFVC

    • @newsigmundfreud3023
      @newsigmundfreud3023 2 года назад +1

      @@ConvinceMeAudio Thanks. Will check them out and looking forward for the ZMF Verite Closed.

  • @sherlockholmes6990
    @sherlockholmes6990 Год назад +1

    Man, I've just started watching your reviews, and they are awesome! I really love your presentation and your description of the sound qualities... "the violence and the turmoil." I'm currently juggling a decision on whether to buy the Sennheiser HD800S, the HifiMan Arya, or the ZMF Aeolus. I've got the first two on order from Amazon... great return policy so that I can try them out. Unfortunately, that's not as easily done with the ZMF Aeolus. Of the three, however, the ZMFs truly look like a piece of art. I don't like the plasticy look of the other two.

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  Год назад

      Thank you for the kind words, and welcome to the fam
      Arya hd800s both require very very good chains to sound the best. The ZMF is far more easy to deal with.
      All three sound fantastic on tubes,

    • @sherlockholmes6990
      @sherlockholmes6990 Год назад

      @@ConvinceMeAudio An extreme thanks for the reply. At first I plan to drive my final decision with the headphone amp in the Bluesound Node X. I needed another streamer, and my budget this year doesn't have enough room in it for also a high-end headphone amp, so I thought I'd kill two birds with one stone by getting the Node X. Apparently it utilizes a THX-AAA amplifier which has a great reputation; however, the implementation in the Node X may not be the best as Bluesound crams a lot of functionality and thus a lot of electronics into a small box.

  • @brendanliddell240
    @brendanliddell240 2 года назад +1

    Thanks very much for the reviews. I haven't heard either as yet, but will before purchasing and am thinking of HD 800S. These days I mostly listen to Classical and Jazz, with the occasional rock/ EDM, but I have Momentum Wireless I use for that as they're closed and the music is less dynamic/ more compressed anyway. Current portable is the Chord Mojo + Shure SE846, but looking for a desktop setup.
    I heard from reviews that the Topping D90/ A90 stack isn't a great pairing with HD 800S, due to the dry and analytical ESS Sabre delta sigma chip. I've heard the Schiit Bifrost 2/ Jotunheim 2 to be a better, warmer, sound - more enjoyable pairing due to the R2R style multibit chip.
    Anyway, only what I've heard, but wanted to get your opinion before demoing myself.

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад

      The HD 800 S will be an excellent purchase,
      I personally rather enjoyed the a 90D90SE combo with the HD 800 S, but it does provide a clean transparent clear sound that is A bit of a acquired taste
      The HD 800 S does like a warm amplifier far better though something like the Susy Dynalo, but the most perfect pairing would be the HTVD 800
      Is sublime if you can find one used in good condition for about 700
      You can check the review for those amplifiers under the tab
      The HD 800 S is to resolve in for those low TADA see, schiit but the by Frost two might just get you bye

  • @Fenom60
    @Fenom60 2 года назад +3

    I own Arya Stealth , HD800s and Focal Stellia. i used to have Clear OG but sold it due to in the head not much soundstage, but the Stellia give me more depth and width in sound. Completely agree with your end assessment, Arya and HD800s for acoustic jazz and Focal for EDM, bass heavy music. Spot on =)

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад +1

      Currently reviewing the VC Andy stellia
      The focal is so special but there is something about the staging of HD 800 as that’s just insane

    • @Fenom60
      @Fenom60 2 года назад +1

      @@ConvinceMeAudio i bought a 6N OCC 8 braid Copper cable for HD800s, brings the bass up, its so awesome like listening to 2.1speakers through my ifi pro iCan Signature amp. HD800s is about 1110USD here in HK brand new, what a bargain for the performance to price ratio.

    • @soulfulfool
      @soulfulfool 2 года назад

      but downside is for so many Focal users that drivers tend to clip on bass heavy music at higher SPL

    • @Thoughtflux
      @Thoughtflux Год назад +1

      ​@@ConvinceMeAudio i have heard people liking Rock & Metal on Arya stealth. Is it too bad?

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  Год назад +1

      @@Thoughtflux unfortunately, those have not come in for review. I really can’t comment, because they’re quite different from V2 apparently

  • @davidmandell9909
    @davidmandell9909 Год назад +1

    The reviews you provide are impeccable; thank you.
    My current system is a Electrocompaniet ECD-2 DAC, Tara Labs interconnects with a Pathos InpolEar headphone amp connected via Nordost USB cable to my PC.
    I have the LCD-4's, LCD-X's and the results are sublime. I just ordered a pair of HD 800s' which will be my only dynamic driven headphones. I've never listened to the HD800's; is it safe to assume this is a nice contrasting addition to my collection?
    Again, great reviews...

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  Год назад +1

      Most definitely the HD 800 S does some stuff that no ever does
      I actually purchased it again, it’s on the desk right now for review, but with very very high end systems, can’t wait to release it
      Of all the headphones we have had here, it’s one of the two that I re-purchased from my past

    • @davidmandell9909
      @davidmandell9909 Год назад +1

      As you know, speakers AND headphones require POWER to be at their pinnacle of performance. Please try the Pathos amp I have and you will be blown away- it’s a hybrid- Steve Gutenberg reviewed it and was almost speechless…
      Cheers

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  Год назад

      @@davidmandell9909 I will do my best, but as you can imagine getting your hands on a lot of equipment is very difficult, but if there’s an opportunity I will take it
      And your comparisons against the mono block ahb2

  • @harryrupam01
    @harryrupam01 Год назад

    I own a DT880 and wish to jump into either LCD X or HD800s. How are the HD800s for watching movies? Does the "lack of bass" hamper the movie-watching experience? (Note - I don't find the DT880's bass lacking at least in the amounts of slam I think)

  • @musicxxa6678
    @musicxxa6678 2 года назад +1

    Great and funny video. Thanks. I'm not a classical/jazz guy but i think HD800S is the best one for me. Games and movies are important too. They aren't bearable with closed in headphones like Focal Clear. Soundstage and air is important. And the comfort, impressive detail etc... I would probably EQ bass on all though. Did you try some bass boost and see how they behave ?

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад +2

      Yes, the HD800S can take some EQ, drivers are pretty susceptive

    • @BillyKueekSG
      @BillyKueekSG Год назад +1

      Any advice on EQ? I use Mac

  • @saadiewaadie
    @saadiewaadie 2 года назад +1

    Thanks for this! Looking to go up frm my HD600 which I've had for over 10yrs. Tried the arya and lcdx in store and feel like the arya has clearer more distinct sound. I could notice the chello/dolby atmos trailer bass vibration type sounds much more clearly and found it more immersive than the lcd x.
    I was driving my HD600 on pc with Asus Xonar essense Stx sound card which has headphone amp. Will that be ok to run the Arya with?
    Also, heard people EQ the Lcd x to get better sound. Is that hard to do? Do you need special equipment?
    Thanks

    • @dilip_1997
      @dilip_1997 2 года назад

      Can you pls let me know the store location?

  • @gabrielmoreno5775
    @gabrielmoreno5775 2 года назад +1

    Hello I’m lucky enough to own the hd800s and focal eligia but am very curious about planar headphone was looking the lcd-x and Arya listen to rock rap and classical not much edm love soundstage but was thinking if I grabbed the Arya would it be to close to the hd800s in sound? Show I go with lcd-x? Wish I could give these a listen sadly no hifi stores where I live

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад +1

      The LCD is very heavy, and coming from HD 800 S you will definitely feel it so be careful
      Personally I would not recommend Arya at the same time as the HD800s
      Lcdxc might be a great one but it’s very similar
      Check out the review for that on the channel
      Otherwise the LCDEX2021 might be a good companion

  • @jacksatin2011
    @jacksatin2011 Год назад

    What is the sweetspot voltage of Abyss 1266?

  • @Hadi-ek1ot
    @Hadi-ek1ot 2 года назад +2

    What about the Rhaal Sr1a? Is it in the same league as Susvara, Abyss 1266TC, Sr 009,LCD 5? The price are signifcantly less (even below diana phi and hifiman H1000se).

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад +1

      I’ve been meaning to get my hands on those for review for awhile, and there might be a possibility of it coming in, I can only give an educated guess I can’t give impressions unfortunately so I’m hesitant to say, timbre I doubt it, tunnel valance I doubt it, because it does lead credence to the treble region a lot apparently
      It’s detail galore though, apparently, but I will do my best to bring a review in

    • @Hadi-ek1ot
      @Hadi-ek1ot 2 года назад +1

      @@ConvinceMeAudio looking forward for it, nice review btw

  • @hastaaquimasno6159
    @hastaaquimasno6159 2 года назад +1

    please help hello from minute 10:55 he talks about the Audeze X that fits a Dynelo amp very well. I can't find this amp does anyone have a link to this amp thanks

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад

      This amplifier is DIY
      You will have to get somebody to build it for you
      Otherwise you can buy a GSX mini which is basically a better version of it
      But it’s like twice the price

  • @dopydude
    @dopydude 2 года назад +2

    Fantastic comparison. spot on with everything.. Quick question - which amp will you suggest for Arya (v2 version)? Im looking at Singxer SA1 (Around $500-$600), Burson Soloist 3x (Around $1200) in Solid State Amps.
    Also which tube/tube hybrid would you suggest for $500 - $1200 amps (Looking at LYR3, Xduoo TA 20 or Little Dot 3, Feliks Echo). Paired with Denafrips Ares2 DAC.
    Thank you!

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад

      SA1 does a good job it’s musical and it’s good performing, but it’s not really enough power for Arya. A90 definitely digs a lot deeper into the base with more power, but it’s far less musical and enjoyable.
      This specific headphone requires a lot of power, and my recommendation is a fantastic speaker amplifier, with a great pre-
      I recommend the DIY, purify, it’s astonishingly good, very well controlled, and drives this head phone to its full potential

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад

      As for tubes, we have not started that journey on the channel yet, but Elise has a great price to performance ratio but you’ve got to be careful about its topology and specific headphones

    • @oxyoxi3213
      @oxyoxi3213 2 года назад +1

      I believe that William from Headphone Experience compared Singxer with Burson. My chain is D70s > Singxer > Arya V2. Quite pleased with it. Noticed audible improvement going from single ended to balanced on Singxer. Haven't heard Arya on anything else

    • @dopydude
      @dopydude 2 года назад +1

      @@ConvinceMeAudio Thanks for the prompt input!

    • @yasserouacha6299
      @yasserouacha6299 2 года назад +1

      @@ConvinceMeAudio The latest Arya stealth magnets is easier to drive than the one you reviewed. It's no longer amp picky. I hope you review it soon.

  • @jirayuthprajerdlar1844
    @jirayuthprajerdlar1844 2 года назад +2

    I really love this VDO. I am a big fan of Thrash, Death, and Black metal. Could you reccommend me a system or headphones for Metal music. I've got GradoPS500e, Hifiman Deva.

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад +2

      Oh blimey that was genres, okay we have to be pretty careful, because if you have something too bright or overly analytical you’re going to have a very bad time of it first of all tell me your budget, when you say a system do you mean amplifier and DAC, or do you mean headphones as well, and we can narrow it down, for those specific genre is a dark smooth sound signature would be your best bet you do not want bright headphones

    • @jirayuthprajerdlar1844
      @jirayuthprajerdlar1844 2 года назад +1

      @@ConvinceMeAudio OH. so glad you reply my comment. I have budget around 1,500-2000. Yes. for me Hifiman Deva is too bright. It's good for atmosphere or depressive black metal. But, it's not punchy enough.

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад +1

      @@jirayuthprajerdlar1844 focal clear OG for the cheapest option used
      Focal Stellia for the absolute best used
      That review is coming shortly it’s mind blowing

  • @hotam138
    @hotam138 Год назад +1

    Your voice sounds good to me ears:) may I ask how you can read comments? Tks

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  Год назад +2

      Screen reader Apple - voice-over

    • @hotam138
      @hotam138 Год назад

      @@ConvinceMeAudio Ok it is a smart way. Regarding to the your review, I have heard all the headphones except the Clear MG. And I love listening rock, pop and hiphop on the hd800S. Not much with the og Clear (too much bass and claustrophobic), the Arya (treble ringing issue) and the lcdX (hitting too hard, too heavy, lacking of depth and layering) 😂

  • @latle111
    @latle111 2 года назад +2

    Anyone know if the lcdx in this video is OG or 2021 version?

  • @darthdurkelthewise320
    @darthdurkelthewise320 2 года назад +5

    Really nice overview. My opinion differed somewhat from hp to hp but much of this obviously lies in personal preference.
    For instance I think the Aryas are a great match for rock and metal with the right amp pairing given a well recorded record.
    But again it’s a preference thing.
    You touched on hearing a couple of times. This is most interesting to me as it greatly impacts how we choose a hp as we age if we pay attention to those hearing changes.
    Honestly, I think an individual’s hearing is not talked about enough in this hobby.
    How and what you hear when you’re in your 20’s can and most likely will be significantly different than when you’re in your 40’s.
    Anyone seriously into our hobby should visit your audiologist!
    Great job here sir!

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад +3

      Thank you for the kind words, glad you enjoyed the video.
      How we perceive sound on an individual basis has a massive impact on how we perceive those specific headphones, this is why as much as I can, I try and target a specific audience for a specific headphones.
      Arya are very picky and they need to be powered properly to sound the absolute best on the benchmark they’re incredible I might have to do a re-review for the summit desktop chain and what it can do for headphones

    • @darthdurkelthewise320
      @darthdurkelthewise320 2 года назад +1

      @@ConvinceMeAudio looking forward to it, thank you

    • @BillyKueekSG
      @BillyKueekSG Год назад

      Which DAC and amp do you pair the Arya with? Is it the Stealth?

  • @valleyguy633
    @valleyguy633 9 месяцев назад +1

    The fact that this is not the 2021 version of lcd x would possibly make its comparison here moot, as there were significant changes in tonality, but possibly not in technical performance. I'm defending some turf here, as I am considering it as a candidate for mostly rock music. You counted this as among its strong suits although not in particularly glowing terms, so there's that to consider.Thank you for the very strong video.

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  9 месяцев назад +1

      The problem was when this review was completed the unit had not even been released yet,
      We did review the closed back variant of 2021, but funnily enough I never got around to the open back variant. Maybe we will swing back around to it at some point

    • @valleyguy633
      @valleyguy633 9 месяцев назад +1

      @ConvinceMeAudio Thank you for the reply! I have to give two of my fellow Western United States inhabitants Arnie Nudell and Paul McGowen some weight here, as both own, or at least have owned lcd x's, and gave them high praise. Neither had been particularly into headphones until recently though after fifty years producing audio equipment.

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  9 месяцев назад +1

      @@valleyguy633 I think I genuinely prefer mm500 now in 2023. These headphones have been out for a long time. They’re very very heavy and the market has really changed.
      I highly recommend, looking at mod house, tungsten it annihilates this

    • @valleyguy633
      @valleyguy633 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@ConvinceMeAudio will do. Thank you!!

  • @alialamri8525
    @alialamri8525 2 года назад +1

    Hi, please I want to ask you about the top 3 headphones for rock and heavy metal music 🤘

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад +1

      ZMF atrium
      MezeAudio elite
      ZMF Verite-Closed Autor hybrid pads
      Preferably on tubes

  • @Karma_-l
    @Karma_-l 11 месяцев назад +1

    you linked everything exept arya !

  • @fatdoi003
    @fatdoi003 2 года назад

    also the Heddphone is in this segment as well....

  • @RX-rd4sc
    @RX-rd4sc 6 месяцев назад +2

    Bro focal clear mg pro vs lcd x 2021
    Which one is more fun? Which has better timbre? Which one is more all rounder?
    Which one will you choose personally?

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  6 месяцев назад +1

      Hmmm I prefer the weight of vocal but LCDX 2021 is pretty freaking awesome so heavy though
      Quite different sound characteristics, and luckily they’re both cheap enough these days to grab for $500 apiece
      Maybe slightly higher, they’re both great all around Headphones to be honest actually
      What do you prefer? Can you deal with heavyweight? You can drive both of them pretty easily, the OG focal has more of a insulated studio sound, LCD was more of the lean, planer characteristics, but all of these headphones are so old. There are so much better on the market now to be honest, but if you insist

    • @RX-rd4sc
      @RX-rd4sc 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@ConvinceMeAudioi can handle the weight of lcd x, and i like transparent, effortless meaty sound
      Also what other options?

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  6 месяцев назад

      @@RX-rd4sc tell me what source equipment you have, and how much you wanna spend. They’re very important.

    • @RX-rd4sc
      @RX-rd4sc 6 месяцев назад

      @@ConvinceMeAudio i have sony walkman wm1am2, i listen to closed back headphones on the go
      One of These will be my first open back and i want good experience so after buying this i will research about the tube amp to power them

  • @mimimmo
    @mimimmo 2 месяца назад

    Do you still recommend focal clear og/mg? I have found both for the same price 2nd hand, about 500-600€, i use chord mojo2 and l listen all geners

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 месяца назад +1

      That’s a very good price for both of them
      absolutely

    • @mimimmo
      @mimimmo 2 месяца назад +1

      @@ConvinceMeAudio thanks 👍

    • @mimimmo
      @mimimmo 2 месяца назад

      @@ConvinceMeAudio which one would you choose between og and mg? I read conflicting opinions but the og seems to be the most appreciated

  • @hartyewh1
    @hartyewh1 2 года назад +1

    Great topic and most would agree that those are the big four(/5), but as someone who does EQ it doesn't quite answer my questions.
    I'm picking between these four right now and the HD800s dropped off the list since the bass can't be EQ'd properly without messing with the rest. Also, like you implied, the soundstage is an effect that doesn't work with a lot of music at all. Otherwise my favourite option, but I can't overlook those issues.
    The LCD-X (2021) definitely needs EQ, but with some it is a wonderful allrounder for any genre, but doesn't have anything as exceptional on offer as the rest. Perhaps the low end weight and not having any real problems left.
    Need to still properly test the Arya and Clear MG with EQ, but I suspect Arya can't handle the bass shelf, but the Clear MG might be my choice in the end.

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад

      Maybe if you ask your question here, I might be able to pitch in 😆

    • @hartyewh1
      @hartyewh1 2 года назад +1

      @@ConvinceMeAudio Well, mainly I wonder how well do these EQ to Harman(2017)? That's as good an EQ as I know/can do at the moment, but if a headphone can do that bass while remaining at least nicely dynamic then it can probably do anything I would need it to. I'd guess that Arya can't handle it similarly to the HD800s that it just sounds very messy and looses much of the charm it had in stock form. The Clear MG would probably fair better, but one can't assume these things.

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад

      @@hartyewh1 sadly enough the HD 800 S is the driver that takes to EQ best out of all of these
      I don’t think you’re going to fare any better with the focal stuff
      Pad-rolling might be the best bet

    • @hartyewh1
      @hartyewh1 2 года назад +1

      @@ConvinceMeAudio Okay, thanks, I'll keep that in mind. If so then I'm ready with my LCD-X and the Amiron can be the metal etc headphone when the planar is feeling too timid.

  • @avatarion
    @avatarion 2 года назад +1

    Do you use balanced on the A90? If not, maybe that will fix the power issue.

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад

      Not quite sure what you are referring to, if you could elaborate,
      And yes, I always do, when the occasion asks for it the majority of the time most of the headphones and I EMR unbalanced

    • @avatarion
      @avatarion 2 года назад +1

      @@ConvinceMeAudio XLR output offers 7.6W of power. I would only use balanced with something like Arya, but then it needs custom cables.

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад

      @@avatarion those are just numbers made, the power supply in the A90 doesn’t supply enough current
      It just looks big on paper things like SUSVARA can eat that amplifier for breakfast 😁
      It’s not as simple as how manyW

  • @aceofspades6667
    @aceofspades6667 2 года назад +1

    Based upon the intro I couldn't get the "I wear my sunglasses at night" song out of my head. Also for the Summit Fi you forgot the spirit torino valkyria as they are the most expensive headphones currently for sale.

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад

      They are actually not better than Susvara
      We have a gentleman in our group who has one I believe he got rid of it now, and it’s more exclusive rather than superior

    • @PrisOwner16
      @PrisOwner16 2 года назад +1

      The most expensive headphones at the moment are actually the Sennheiser HE-1.

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад

      @@PrisOwner16 yes, but seen as these niche market headphones are owned probably by seven people they don’t really count

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад

      @@PrisOwner16 utterly pointless even mentioning it

    • @PrisOwner16
      @PrisOwner16 2 года назад +1

      @@ConvinceMeAudio true, it's not really a consumer product. It's purely for people that have copious amounts of f*ck you-money.

  • @schattenk
    @schattenk 2 года назад +1

    Can you eq the hd 800s at least so well that you can enjoy elektronic music or hip hop?

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад +1

      I personally don’t like EQ, but the HD 800 S drivers can certainly take it.
      Let’s go back to your question, using a nice warm amplifier or tubes is going to mitigate a lot of the harshness in the HD 800 S
      The problem with genres is that the staging on the HD 800 S is unlike other headphones it can’t really come too close and every instrument is gigantic
      This leads to the problem where everything feels a little overly stretched when it comes to general pop music using that term as an umbrella, it’s mainly designed for orchestra acoustic live music where you really want to feel the atmosphere and get the scope of the stage
      The answer to your first question is Tonalea possibly, performing wise you can try it but it will not be too fantastic to be honest I did not care for it for those genres but it’s all subjective LOL I know some people who can enjoy EDM on it

    • @schattenk
      @schattenk 2 года назад +1

      @@ConvinceMeAudio Okay i get this point... Is a rme adi-2 dac/amp in your opinion warm or cold? The internet is pretty split about that one because of great features like loudness, eq and even more. Thanks for this quick respansive.

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад +1

      Unfortunately I’ve not brought that DAC in for review I really can’t comment but I’ve not heard it been said it’s analytical

  • @curlmythic
    @curlmythic 2 года назад +3

    Hi, what version of LCD-X?

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад +4

      2019, 2021 is on the table being reviewed right now

    • @mobeen369
      @mobeen369 2 года назад +2

      would love to hear about the lcd x 2021

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад

      The LCD, XC, review will be out in the next few days mate the LCDX variant both for 2021 I’m sure will arrive short

  • @kyleo2113
    @kyleo2113 Год назад +3

    Just want to comment on the Focal Clear MG - I am running them on an A90d which may not be the best pairing but I agree with the out of box assessment. But when adding some EQ these Headphones are actually quite amazing if you like a close intimate presentation with excellent dynamics. Great with focused vocals, rock, EDM. If you don’t like EQ may want to go elsewhere but if you don’t mind some EQ to tame the mids, bring out the highs and nudge the bass they are fantastic - I know that’s a lot but to me you can’t make an Arya give the same type of presentation. I have Arya stealth and they are great but if I want that intimate intoxicating sound it’s Focal Clear MG all day but EQ is a requirement IMO.

    • @duylevan985
      @duylevan985 Год назад

      Which app do you adjust the EQ on? thank

    • @joshswanedits
      @joshswanedits Год назад +1

      @@duylevan985 APO with PEACE GUI is the way for pc

    • @joshswanedits
      @joshswanedits Год назад +2

      Ive got an Arya v2 and went to demo the Clear MG as I felt my Arya was a bit boring, not dynamic enough or fun enough. It just feels lacking. I have 6w of power going into them so that's not and issue. The Clear MG sounded equally as resolving, more narrow but not bad and every sound micro sound was almost more impactful, I guess dynamic, its hard to explain but its more like you feel sound in a way. BUT im so torn to sell my Arya as well. My first High End headphone. I use APO and I believe in EQ at a desktop enviroment. Small correction are the cheapest way to improve the sound.

    • @duylevan985
      @duylevan985 Год назад

      @@joshswanedits can you tell me your best EQ correction with MG? Thanks

    • @kyleo2113
      @kyleo2113 Год назад

      @@duylevan985 using roon

  • @bensherman1977
    @bensherman1977 2 года назад

    Which camp would you say the Meze Empyrean falls in? Organic/airy or punchy/EDM? I have heard some say it sits in the middle and works well for all genres, but would appreciate your take on this.
    Overall, how do you think the Empyrean compares to the headphones in your list?

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад +1

      Warm, extremely punchy, laid-back,
      Click on the review on the channel, I reviewed this headphone six months back

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад +1

      It definitely works across all genres
      To be honest it’s one of them headphones where it’s designed to be a one-man headphone type of thing
      But I go into a lot more detail in the review

    • @fatdoi003
      @fatdoi003 2 года назад

      you're right.... the Empyrean should be in $1500 category

  • @nick62876
    @nick62876 Год назад +1

    Thank you for the great reviews you are top notch , just one gripe I have , all or most of your headphones reviews get the luxury of being tested with the may the Dave and such like , why oh why did the Arya's get a mediocre review on a £500 unit , the Arya's are capable of so much more please give the cherry to the cake so we all shut up about it lol 😂 thank you .

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  Год назад +1

      This is not a gripe , this is a valid comment and I’m going to come back to this with the review of the Arya stealth
      I will give it the respective deserves like the HD 800 S, the scalability of these headphones is unbelievable. I have tested it on the Benchmark and spring and may have been blown away at times when it was here, so don’t worry it’s calm

    • @nick62876
      @nick62876 Год назад +1

      @@ConvinceMeAudio thank you for your great reviews and look forward to your next video on the Arya's great job my friend 👍

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  Год назад +1

      @@nick62876 thank you for the kind words it’s very much appreciated, the next review is about to be released and my goodness is it a biggie

  • @Blahmanwhysoserious
    @Blahmanwhysoserious 2 года назад

    Is this 2021 lcd x or before revision?

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад +1

      This one, 2019

    • @Blahmanwhysoserious
      @Blahmanwhysoserious 2 года назад +1

      @@ConvinceMeAudio thanks, curious to see what you think of the changes on 2021, nice video!

  • @bitterbuffalo8997
    @bitterbuffalo8997 2 года назад +2

    What about ZMF Aeolus whaaaaaaa! Haha, I understand Aeolus probably can't hang in detal from the rest, but it has an amazing sound overall.

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад

      I will do my best to bring them in for review and we can assess

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад

      In case you’re still interested those headphones will be here next week

    • @bitterbuffalo8997
      @bitterbuffalo8997 2 года назад +1

      @@ConvinceMeAudio Nice! Have fun with them, I find them to be just a good fun pair of headphones.

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад

      @@bitterbuffalo8997 we will see how much of a difference there is between it at the Verite to
      Currently reviewing that him now

    • @bitterbuffalo8997
      @bitterbuffalo8997 2 года назад +1

      @@ConvinceMeAudio oh awesome! I have both the Verite Open and the Aeolus in the same wood. Can't wait for the impressions!

  • @JTB--
    @JTB-- 2 года назад +2

    What Arya is this? 2021 Stealth Magnet or an older version? There are many now

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад +1

      This is the OG Arya

    • @JTB--
      @JTB-- 2 года назад +1

      @@ConvinceMeAudio Ok Thanks. I'm really curious to hear the Stealth Magnet Arya

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад +1

      Me too, hopefully it will come across the desk soon

    • @h.hristov
      @h.hristov 2 года назад +1

      @@ConvinceMeAudio Hopefully you get one soon for review, I'm excited to hear what you think about it over the old model. Make sure to burn them in as some people claim the soundstage opens up

  • @TheVeganVicar
    @TheVeganVicar 8 месяцев назад

    "Arya" has but TWO syllables.

  • @BillyKueekSG
    @BillyKueekSG Год назад

    I have the Arya Stealth, Clear MG and HD800S as well as a few entry levels and the ZMF Atrium as my endgame dynamics. I am selling my Sundara, Elegia and Clear MG. Since the Gustard R26 arrived, I paired it with either the iFi iPro iCAN Signature or Topping D90, my headphones are reaching another level for me and I am hesitating.

    • @Thoughtflux
      @Thoughtflux Год назад +1

      How do you rate the Arya Stealth?

    • @BillyKueekSG
      @BillyKueekSG Год назад +1

      @@Thoughtflux I love it , I like warmer sounds. The pairing with Gustard R26 and iFi Pro iCAN Signature works well for me. Other pairings/mix-and-match are also,enjoyable. When I’m on the Arya Stealth, I’m really relaxing with music. As of now, I am selling Sundara , Clear MG, Elegia and maybe get 2 headphones to replace their places on the shelf.

    • @Thoughtflux
      @Thoughtflux Год назад +1

      @@BillyKueekSG i have pretty basic setup - Bifrost OG & Asgard 2 (pure class A). I also have a cheap preamp for tube and opamp rolling. Do you think Arya stealth would sound too bad on system?
      (r26 + soloist is my next dream upgrade but will have to wait)

    • @BillyKueekSG
      @BillyKueekSG Год назад +1

      @@Thoughtflux sorry, I really can’t tell. I believe the BiFrost should be interesting. I can’t connect my Arya Stealth to my tube amp XDuoo TA-26 because this tube amp needs higher impedance headphones unless I use it as pre-amp and connect it to the Topping A90. Alternatively, I switch on then Tube+ mode on my amp iFi Pro iCAN Signature.

  • @chad6
    @chad6 2 года назад

    This dude really just said the hd800s had the best bass. AINT NO WAY

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад

      You have never powered HD 800 S correctly if you make this statement
      For dynamics, speed the technical ability resolution is superb,
      And I don’t think I said they have the best base LOL
      Aspects of the base in comparison

    • @chad6
      @chad6 2 года назад +2

      @@ConvinceMeAudio I mean the gsx mini should have done the trick for the 800s. But the sub bass just isn’t there like it is on the focal stuff and the lcdx. I’m talking 40hz and below

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад

      @@chad6 GSX mini would be more than fine, beautiful amp
      Those pads are very weird do they seal properly on you, but hitting 30 Hz and below they do not measure up to the LCD line focal line in a lot of cases, but the actual quality of the base the technicality the texture of the speed the resolution is outstanding
      It is so fast
      Those thin pads do need to seal and on a lot of people they brake where the eye line is up top

  • @soraflame66
    @soraflame66 2 года назад +1

    Boooo u didn't use the 2021 LCD-X which are way better and are as good as the others...

    • @ConvinceMeAudio
      @ConvinceMeAudio  2 года назад

      Unfortunately the timing did not work out, but the LCD EXO review is already on the channel and I gave it the best bang for buck of 2021 it’s incredibly good

  • @denis4072
    @denis4072 Год назад

    @denis4072
    1 second ago
    I wish all the reviews should skip the comfort because it a subjective and just get to the point.