DENIED AT THE CANADIAN BORDER 🚫
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- Опубликовано: 26 сен 2024
- What started out as an exciting morning quickly turned into a huge letdown. Tune in to see our experience when trying to cross the Canadian border and ultimately being denied entry.
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It wasn't the pepper spray, it was your non definitive answers to when you were returning. Friend of mine works at MT / Canada border and he regularly turns away RV owners who just wanna drive around and come back whenever. Live and learn.
They call that tourism...
youtubers usually get through pretty easy cuz it shows your work and intentions. They should have said they were tourist vloggers.
Don't forget the working remote part. There was definitely a concern about working in Canada.
@@user-gs6fq1jq8y No, tourism in coming for a time and leaving again
can you ask your friend what they see when they scan passports at the initial entry point
Mistakes:
1. Pepper and Bear Spray = weapons coming across border
2. Saying you were coming for 2 months (vague) and only itinerary item is the super famous Banff anyone can name. Not credible
3. You seem unemployed without obvious reason to go back to the US. Could become a burden to the Canadian taxpayer
4. Pretty limited ties to the US.
5. The woman failed to come into the office initially. That’s not the right way to do it. When they say come in everyone in the vehicle needs to come in.
They saved up money and wanted to take a vacation they earned. The benefits in America are better than Canada anyway. The border patrol guy was just being a jealous hater they earned a vacation.
You both have no agenda was the reason for denial. I went to Europe, they ask the same thing. Van Life people are not well rec’d in canada..
Hey Cameron , what about if I am moving from Canada to US and I am bringing stuffs that I need like cookware (including forks, spoon , knives , plates , etc ) , It is ok if I am driving to cross the border with it ?
@J S You need a US visa first.
@@barrykrebs8180 ok, thanks .
As a Canadian it wasn't the pepper spray, it was that you where working remotely in Canada.
I don't think it's that. If they had significant ties in the US like property, etc. then it likely would have been different.
@@zeeshawnali4078 Yes, I think the van with no US apartment or house in addition to remote work gave them no reason to have to return to the United States. On top of it, they had a vague 2 month plan with no reservations showing start and end dates. Even better would be to have a campground (or multiple) reserved in Canada for the length of their stay plus a site or room reserved in the United States around their return date.
@@zeeshawnali4078nah, you can't work in a country as a tourist, even if it's remote work for a foreign employer. On top of that, with vanlife, there's no reason to think they'd return when they say
That's not true. Of course I can work as a tourist if my employer is abroad and the payment is deposited abroad there is no problem at all. Obviously as a tourist means some days or weeks, not all year around as you become resident "de facto".
@@markcorneliuslau
You can work remotely from anywhere as long as your Employer is American and Canadian customs agents know that very well. Personally I believe their story but there must have been something else that got them rejected rather than working from home, having pepper spray on them or being vague on the 2 months. There is something else to the story like a DUI, other weapon or else.
Never wear your sunglasses at a border crossing. This means everyone.
i agree. sunglasses means youre hiding your eyes, which means you might want to deceive
what about on the way back? they can't refuse you reentry.
Or a hat.
You do not stop on the way out of a country - only going in.
Obviously your knowledge in this area is not-so-good.
@@joesinakandid528 who said anything about "going out"?
As someone with lots of immigration experience and border crossings here are the issues
1. No ties to the US.. usually a house or rental to show you have ties to the US and not going to stay. Never tell a border patrol you work remote. Provide your physical office location
2. No accommodation in Canada.. you have no plans on place to stay and activities to do.
3. Bringing in contraband.. when she asked you bear spray you hesitated so the border patrol agent was under the impression you might have more you’re hiding or forgot
4. No clear itinerary .. the 2 months you planned seemed too vague. They’re afraid it can turn into 3 months
@@schoc13 don’t look like one
Is 3 months too long? How long can you stay in Canada?
@@jerrydixon 6 months. But then you have to make it clear with an itinerary
My experience travelling, you have to be prepared to say who you are visiting, where they live, how long you will stay, what sites you plan to see, reason for going to the country. State what you do for a living, if you own a home, have pets. Sometimes you have to show proof of funds. It is pretty normal. Boarder crossings are just this way. It is a privilege to enter another country, not a right.
3 months.....how long are you allowed to stay and spend money?
Go with the flow…red flag …work remotely…red flag…no home in the states…red flag…the pepper spray was a minor thing ..
Agreed. We definitely should have had better answers prepared. Next time we will know what to expect!
100% was denied for no ties to the usa
@@the-wandering-wings that guy said it bang on, too many red flags there.
The pepper spray was a problem. Throw it away, Cross the border. Buy it in Canada.
I cross the border all the time, I learned to just answer their questions and not volunteer any extra info. dont correct their assumptions either .. try and give one word answers. You need to give them a concrete firm plan and dates that fits the rules of not illegally moving there or working there. working remotely from Canada and not having a firm return date means you are living and working illegally in Canada...
That's the smart way to do it !!!
Went to Mexico when I landed I showed my Canadian passport and the guy was like what your business here I just said pleasure vacation he was like okay stamped my book and I was on my way it was so easy.
Are you sure they're working illegally in Canada? Don't most countries define working in their country as doing an activity for an organization or company based in that country for which you derive remuneration, monetary or otherwise? Under that definition that would include volunteering, which I know many countries do.
In their case, their not volunteering or working for a Canadian based company or organization and so not taking a position away from a Canadian. Therefore, they're not earning Canadian money.
The company is based in the US and they earn American dollars which they then bring into Canada to spend. I would understand it if they didn't have an independent source of income or were breaking the law.
Maybe the guy misunderstood the term working remotely; he heard "working" and stopped listening. I can understand maybe understand the worry about them wandering indefinitely(although even there, they clearly stated that they planned to go home in a couple of months), but working illegally?
By that broad and loose definition, if you were on vacation in a country and you wrote a letter, checked the email, or made a work-related phone call you would be technically working. If I am wrong, maybe the law needs to be updated.
@@darcyperkins7041 Working remotely is becoming more of a normal thing these days, as well as people living in cars, so me thinks the Canadian government as well as border guards don't like this kind of thing because it appears to be suspicious to them. There's some catching up to do with this kind of thing with border guards and governments but until then this kind of thing will not be stopping anytime soon !
@@darcyperkins7041 Bit late, but no, working is a country is being physically there and doing work.
Ya, the border agents have to ensure anyone coming into the country who isn't a resident or citizen, doesn't stay indefinitely without any definitive plans. Happens to Canadians all the time when crossing into the States.
I’ve been crossing border multiple times a week for the past 21 years. Very important - NEVER LIE, and always have a purpose or definitive answer as to what you plan to do. Not having a job, or a house to go back to… is a big red flag. Having the pepper spray isn’t an issue, you’d only be required to just leaving it behind. Visitors are always welcome… just have a plan so you have answers for your itinerary.
Yes, I crossed with a couple of friends shortly after the border reopened from COVID. We were questioned quite hard on our plans because they were more vague for enjoying the city we were headed to. What saved us was an AirBnB with a start/end date plus tickets to a concert for our last night there. Additionally, we all had jobs to return to and permanent homes in the United States.
Stupid I can’t go for fun
Regardless of whether you are entering Canada or the United States, you have to convince the border agents that you have sufficient motivation to return to your home country…things such as real estate, close family ties, jobs, bank accounts, etc. will do that. The pepper spray very likely had little to nothing to do with your denied entry. My take is that it had everything to do with your stated length of stay, along with no itinerary and no stated return date. I suspect you haven’t been permanently banned , try again in the future and enjoy spending time in Canada whenever you make it in. Cheers.
Unless your from a country that is mainly refugees you're out of luck
If you from India and Pakistan you don’t need to show nothing they accept fake passport and documents :)
Pepper or Bear Spray is sold everywhere in Western Canada, so it is not illegal to purchase it posess it or carry it in wildland or natural areas. It is illegal to carry it openly in towns.
@@Qwijebo horsecrap
During my travels Ive never been asked to supply my bank account information but then again ive never had a trip abroad more than a month and ive always presented a return ticket, once they saw that, no problem
the american side has been doing this to Canadians for at least 50 years
thats for damn sure ...
Wrong!
@@jakearsenta2144 my wife and I are seniors , we travel to Florida just about every winter. Last year we were held at the Buffalo border crossing for two hours with no reason given , our truck was searched and all our belongings were left scattered about on a table and I was questioned by two guards relentlessly about my prescription medications...we were finally allowed to continue Our trip south...so Jake you are wrong.
Payback is a bitch huh
@@northlander4370 That’s just bad luck. The majority of Canadians cross through smoothly. There are bad apples everywhere. You make it sound like Americans are full of garbage.
pepper spray is ILLEGAL in Canada , it is the visitor's responsibility to find out what is legal and what is ILLEGAL to bring into Canada.
Bear spray is not illegal ( which is pepper spray_
Most nations on earth require visitors to show their departure date, itinerary or at least first address, have a cap on the amount of time you can stay on a visitors visa, if working then you must have a working visa, etc. When entering the USA years ago a group of us had to provide our address where we were staying, and answer the question about why we were visiting. Border Force have to know these things, they have a broad range of trouble-makers to detect and turn away for all kinds of issues.
In Italy I had to hand over my passport at each accommodation so they could let the local police know a tourist was there, they would hand it back some hours later. But I was prepared because I had read travel guides, etc and am also keen to check government websites including my own, to be prepared. All travellers have a responsibility to acquaint themselves with requirements of travel.
This works in reverse too.
U.S. regularly denies entry to Canadians who appear like they might work or try to live in the U.S.
Exactly - So WHY the F**K were these Americans whining?? Remember this happened in 2022, not this year!!
People get turned away all the time. You need to have a set itinerary and a return date, funds to sustain yourself during your stay. I doubt pepper spray had anything to do with it, they give people the option to abandon things such as pepper spray. The reason you got denied, is working remotely, essentially you are working from Canada... you could be seeking to work and stay without authorization. The oness is on you to prove your return.
When I went to Canada's with a friend last September it took less than five minutes.
My guess it was the "two months". Of course you're on an RV so no hotel bookings. And: you admitted you want to work in Canada ("my company allows us to work from everywhere").
So the Canadian border officer presumably assumed you'll stay there to work.
Didn't you show a lease for a house or apartment in the US?
Hint: CBP would have asked the same questions if you were Canadian trying to do 2 months in the US with the same story ..
Land border with Canada is always harder than flying in. I flew up to Montreal the other day to see some friends, the customs took 2 seconds, the guy at the door just looked at my passport for about 2 seconds, and handed it back without saying a word.
This is because you usually have a return ticket, and they know that. If you don't have a return ticket, you can expect extra scrutiny. Same for most countries, including the US.
Few years ago I did a one way flight to Calgary to drive back with my parents in their RV I was prepared for tons of questions but just told the agent and went through with no problems just depends
@@buyaj7693 You also had your story straight, you knew your stuff and you were able to tell it to the border agent without batting an eyelash. The people in this video, while well-intentioned and probably totally harmless, wavered on the details of their excursion, and could not make a convincing case that there would be a clear start and end date to their journey. That they did not have a house in the US with a physical address, and they did not have a clear date when they would be returning, set off red flags, and made the border agents question the purpose of their travels. The border agents were worried that these two people would want to stay in Canada past the timeframe that they gave
That's how I'll do it for now on. Our only land border choices are Canada and Mexico, and Mexico would be even scarier to cross. They can turn you away at the airport but it's a lot more obvious - all you have is your suitcase and you probably aren't staying very long. Plus from what I experienced personally and read about from other experiences, Canadian guards are assholes and way too strict. Yeah you're living above a meth lab, I get it, but still. Culturally we're about the same. It's not like you border Russia or Afghanistan or something. Get a grip.
@@Awakeningspirit20 Mexico doesn't even check everyone if you cross over from the US. You can just drive over
It really helps to have strong ties to your home country: A job, permanent home address, bank account, etc. I remember when I drove from my home to Niagara Falls, ON Canada, when I got to the border check point the agent asked me what I do for work, a long with a few other questions and I figured it was to help him determine whether or not I was gonna try to overstay. Thankfully he was pretty cool throughout the whole process (just doing his job), and my answers satisfied him and he let me through
As a Canadian so sorry to hear about your experience. I just googled vs using RUclips re the Pepper spray situation and it is in bold print at the top of the page that it is considered a Prohibited Weapon.
I believe that the rejection is not permanent so please do not despair and just come better prepared next time.
There are plenty of Videos on line where people crossing give you some excellent advice on how to be ready ahead of arrival at the border.
Good luck with your travels.
I would suggest that you and fellow RUclipsrs (and anyone trying to enter ANY foreign country) do your due diligence before crossing at the border. Don't rely on RUclips for legal advice.
The purpose of your visit must follow certain legal requirements .
Your itinerary must be made plain and simple.
No weapons, knives (other than kitchen knives, etc.), no bear, CS or pepper spray...keep things simple.
Have enough money in local domination for your stay.
Do not plan on working without a work permit.
Be polite, explain your situation openly. Hiding anything is grounds for refusal to enter.
Don't expect the laws of your home country to apply when entering a foreign country.
Talk to a travel agent or a lawyer for advice...don't rely on neighbors or youtube for advice.
So many have arrived and stayed much to long in CANADA that more attention and scrutiny is now normal. Anyone without a permanent home address and employer is a doubt and risk factor. *NOTE" the border staff have FULL ACCESS to all criminal records for both Countries, included minor cases, fines etc. A DUI will send you back.
We crossed into Canada earlier this month. The border guard asked us three times if we had a concealed weapon. Finally I caught on and said we had a carry permit in NC but didn't have our guns. He moved on and we got in. Guess conceal carry info is a database.
I had the same problem, denied access to the US as it looked like I was homeless.
Yes they all have the same strict rules..... No difference.
Border crossings get extra tricky in an RV. They want you to have a reason to go back, campground bookings, a good answer about work or income and an address is important too, should have just said your parents address was your apartment or something. If you didnt bring pepper spray you probably would have got over.
it wasn't the pepper spray, they declared it so it would just be confiscated. They admitted that they would be working remotely and had no defined return date, just a vague two months or so. Both of which worked against them.
The pepper spray, bear spray was the infraction that allowed them the right to bring you inside for further questioning. It was the answers to the questions that disqualified you from entry.
They have yhe right to do whatever they want whenever they want! They don't need any reason other than they say so. When you are at any international border crossing, you give up all rights. They can literally tear your vehicle into boxes of parts if they so choose. And, it's on you to have it put back together whether or not they find anything. If you show up in your half million dollar Rolls Royce and they want to have one of their dogs jump in and on it, scratching your $50,000 paint job, they'll do it and you can't to a thing about it. If they randomly choose to send you inside and make you take all your clothes off and have someone probe your rectum...they'll do it. And you have no legal recourse for any of the above mentioned scenarios. When you are at a border crossing, they own you.
When you dont have a permanent residents, going north or south across the border is No Bueno.
They feel you have no reason to return to your own country. There doing there job.
Unless you were told you cannot return, you can. They do not like wishy washy answers. You need a firm job, and firm dates. Pepper spray was not the issue
Bummer you two! Sorry to hear you got denied! Reminds us of the first time we went to Canada last year for an hour and had to turn back (thanks Verizon), but we treated ourselves the exact same way. Pizza, candy, movies and hot shower will cure almost any pain 😂
Hahaha exactly! Definitely made us a feel better !
@@lynngreydanus-smith8816 Wow! You are a very kind & gracious Canadians!
Imagine someone trying to do and end run around rules and regulations put in place to best protect public health and safety, established from a base of hard scientific fact and evidence.
How stupid are these little games ?
@@lynngreydanus-smith8816 heyyy
@@SheepOnDrugz What end run around which rules?
Borders make me a bit nervous. As a Canadian, I have never had any trouble entering my own country but I know others have. I met a young woman travelling in Guatemela from Austria. We shared traveling stories and she said the most intimidating border experience was coming into Canada. Odd that the bear spray was a problem. We sell bear spray too. I hope you try again some day. Just get past that scary border.
Bear spray is fine. Pepper spray is prohibited
just be aware when you try re-entry they most likely will have a record of your denial. We traveled with 2 chihuahuas crossing the border often and they had a record of that. We traveled to U.S. left our 2 dogs with our closest senior friend while we returned to Niagara Falls Canada for a relative's wedding for the Day and the border official asked where our dogs were. We told the truth...with a friend dog sitting for the day. A denial would be recorded with your passport # & license plate I would guess so keep that in mind if you are questioned about it.
@@pargolf3158 what are you talking about you can buy pepper spray at Canadian Tire
Canadian Border Agents are tough because there are so many guns and extremists, be they right wing or left wing, in the USA. Many Americans dis-respect Canada as being a "semi-autonomous" region of their own country which they can enter at a whim, so Canadian Sovereignty starts at the border.
@@aboveitall1653 makes sense
My wife and I went to Canada for a wedding two weeks ago. We live in Ohio and crossed over at the Blue Water Bridge in Port Huron, MI. I'm a US citizen, and my wife is a US green card holder with a Philippines passport. I expected it to be more painful than it was, but was pleasantly surprised when the agent asked the usual questions (i.e. where do you live, why are you visiting Canada, and how long will you be here). I had the wedding invitation ready to share if needed, but he asked nothing further and just said, "thank you." As others here have said in your case, maybe the pepper spray wasn't the issue, but rather the length of your stay. Still...I can tell immediately that you are both decent folks who simply want an adventure. I thought border agents had a sixth sense about people. Will being denied this time make it harder to go back in the future? I think you have to wait a certain amount of time before trying to cross again...or at least I thought I read that somewhere.
Hi, I’m planning to go to Canada as well. Did you need a visa? Or just a USA passport? Thank you
Another reason why especially when entering Canada is vagrancy laws , you must be able to demonstrate that you can fund your trip to and from your destination and duration of your stay
If you're denied entry (depending on what the reason is)you can usually re apply to enter in a year if you have addressed your issues
You were going to a wedding and had invites to prove it. For most Americans and Canadians crossing our shared border it is simply that simple.
Um no. You weren’t denied because of pepper spray.
Sorry brother… as a Canadian I feel a kin toward my American neighbours and for them to turn you away over something so dumb is ridiculous to say the least. In this country you have a “Right” to defend yourself but no right to be prepared to defend yourself, it’s crazy that women here are not even allowed to carry pepper spray to protect themselves. That is what we go through here in this country though. We are trying like hell to get Trudeau (Little Caesar) out so please pray for us come the next election. Stay safe brother.
You mean little castro. But true, it's illegal to defend yourself in this country with anything but your fist. And even that can get you in jail, even if it was out of self defense.
As a woman I have never been questioned about bear spray, regardless of government in power. You just can't bring it across the border.
@@pambp5978 bear spray isnt illegal to posses in communist Canada but it is illegal to use on people
@@dunningkruger4863 true. Not illegal if the intended use was for protection against bears and cougars for hunters and sometimes hikers can get away with possession of they can prove they were on thier way directly to the area in question. You can not have it in your possession for any other reason. Unfortunately this couple did not have a credible reason or reasonable proof that they were just visiting and not intending to work and settle in for a much longer stay..especially with her comment about working anywhere. Red flag..plus, they had no permanent residence in the USA. And, not knowing any Canadian verify their story and take responsibility for them as their guests. The us boarder would have done the exact same thing to a Canadian in that situation. Maybe next time, this couple will do some research before crossing for a visit. Most Americans think of Canada as just another Mexico.
Wasnt about the bear spray genius, watch again and pay attention the their answers given to the cnd boarder agents
I wish the USA would be as strict as Canada when screening people.
Canadians are great at it.
I don't. I think the Canada and USA boarder should go back to how it was in the 80s. More like the Schengen zone in area.
@@DrVVVinK NO THANK YOU. We do not want Americans who are too lazy to do their research and not have a firm date to LEAVE Canada so they are not trying to leech off Canadian taxpayers.
@@DrVVVinK
NO way. Do you know how many American guns would flood into Canada?
@francescathomas3502 dont take this the wrong way when i say this but who the hell would want to live in Canada? High ass taxes shit goverment dont get me started on the pay wages i knoe amercia aint the greatest atm but ill take my chances there then whatever we got here atm
@@QualityBuddy your comment is amusing because many people feel the same way about the USA.
I never expect American citizens to get denied by Canadian border officers. I believe it's your bond to the US that raised concerns that you might overstay in Canada.
What a complete joke. I’m embarrassed to be a Canadian. Sorry to you great people. God forbid you protect yourself from bears etc.
Hey, that’s the law. Hundreds of thousands of Americans cross the border every year to visit us. If you don’t think there's something these two,aren’t talking about, you’re extremely naive
nothing to do with the bear spray in any way
You’re “embarrassed to be a Canadian”??? I am embarrassed that you are a Canadian.
I am very glad that Canada border did its due diligence and refused entry to these ignorant americans who did not do their research!!
@@davejoe2592 lol I don’t even remember writing this. Your prob right. I now have to go back and watch this. But I’ll ask for forgiveness now?
Seems like not much has changed at the border going into Canada. I am a German Citizen .I lived and worked in Calgary 72 to 75. Then I got transferred to Houston, where I got a Green Card. I still live in Houston.
In 1978 or so I had to go on a business trip to Toronto for a company seminar. That crossing took forever.They noticed that I had a Canadian Social Insurance Number and used to be be a legal Landed Immigrant. But that was 3 years ago. Now they were afraid that I was "coming back" and trying to stay. After about 40 Minutes of questioning, they finally believed my story and I was admitted into the country. I still have my SI Number and even get a small pension for my 3 years working in Alberta.
are you now a US citizen?
Awe mannnnn ! Sorry to hear that, but excited for what’s to come 💛
It was definitely a let down, but we have some exciting things planned! 😀
It’s crazy to me how Canada and America, 2 countries with almost identical culture and history have such strict laws allowing their citizens to cross each others borders, while meanwhile fentanyl is being brought in by the kilogram every second from Mexico into America and Europeans can circle their whole continent without having to do much as show their ID.
Look at how many school shootings they have compared to us.
"almost identical culture and history"... wrong... One has mass shootings, the other maple syrup! :D
The border officers are only doing their jobs these laws are set by the government.
@@Panzerbeast One has freedom the other has tyranny and mass stabbings
9/11 changed everything, I used to cross the border easily, and half the time I was drunk. 😮
Such a lovely couple…. CANADA’s loss
Appreciate the kind words! :)
YES I Agree!
Sure they are "nice". Don't think we don't have lots of "nice" people in Canada........... I was almost denied entry to your State of Alaska at the Yukon border in 2007 by an arrogant 35 year old female US border guard while I was on a public bus............ even though I had been in SOUTHEAST Alaska (Juneau area) just ONE WEEK earlier !!! I have NO criminal record, had NO contraband, was going for 3 weeks, had lots of money in my bank account, was Canadian born (white Christian male) and was "clean, neat and polite"..............I was even a lifetime nature enthusiast, a lifetime historian of WWII in the Pacific and a lifetime supporter of NASA............ all of which I could PROVE with my knowledge of those things. After searching all my stuff and even my photos she tried to get me on something even wondering why I was still "un-married" at age 45 and whether it was "by choice" (direct quote) ............... but she couldn't find anything so eventually a senior male officer let me enter (after the female guard was holding up everyone else on the bus). I was age 45, travelling alone and had wanted to see Alaska since childhood, have NEVER 'done drugs" or anything else, and when I got to Alaska it seemed most people HATED ME for being CANADIAN................. as if I was some "dangerous and undesirable ALIEN from Russia, the Middle East or Iran". That is how CANADIANS can get treated in YOUR country............... and a lot of you AMERICANS are VERY HAUGHTY, SNOTTY, ARROGANT AND BELITTLING to us in Canada when you come here.............. I know, I have worked in tourism in Western Canada for decades, including many years in "Banff".
@@aboveitall1653 Totally agree - Arrogant Americans think they can just walk into Canada like this family (in the video). Because they are so UNEDUCATED and IGNORANT!!!! They could not even be bothered to do any research. And yes I live in Canada.
In addition to the spray, I think part of the problem was that y'all could work remotely. Working on Canadian soil. Tax related. Work Visa. I'm only guessing, but another video of van travelers said they were Professional house sitters. They were asked if they were to be paid, and they said it was trade of lodging for house sitting. They had to wait a while as the officers talked among themselves about it, and they were then let in. So it may have been the question of working on foreign soil.
I agree! Someone else commented that it could have been because we have a lack of ties to the US as well (no house/apartment and no physical job we need to get back to). So I think if we had better answers to these questions we wouldn't have a better chance of getting into Canada.
Ya... you have to have a reason to return home. You can't say you're able to work while your visiting because again, that means you have no motivation to leave. One of the biggest concerns is that you are coming to stay and will try and get medical services while visiting. Unfortunately, the USA health care can be such an expense that people without insurance often try and come to Canada because they know ours is free. It isn't really free and you need to do research before you come.
So sorry to hear this
As a Canadian who travels the border a lot, they are strict on knowing where you will be exactly, and preferably a shorter time unless its more permanent like school, work with a visa, etc.
its been like this in my 15 years or so crossing. Once i forgot to get my friends' address i was going to stay at and I wouldn't be allowed in without it, took an hour to get a hold of them and then It was okay.
I think it was more your 2 month plans to go to Banff than the pepper spray , unfortunately :( I wish our system wasn't like this...
Shouldn't even matter, we are allowed to spend 6 months in either country but apparently that's a taboo subject unless you're retired and traveling in a $400,000 RV.
@@Cutlass_Rudd no but I suspect the answers given to the border service were incomplete and evasive oh and two months in Banff, very unlikely
@@alpearson9158 Not unlikely at all, its a top vacation destination. Meanwhile the southern border is wide open among drug cartels and gang wars. But the civilized ones up here need exact itineraries and every other thing for a visit. Give me a F***ING break. Do they really think Americans would STAY up here during a winter??? Or vice versa and give up free health care??
Canada has been known for this for decades. They will deny entry for a 10 year old DUI, bar fight etc. Hopefully CBP returns the favor.
Yeah most times I've returned to Canada they've interrogated me (single male) and asked exactly everywhere I've been/what I've bought/who I've met. And they CHECK to make sure!
It’s such a stupid rule. As a Canadian that we’re not allowed pepper spray to protect ourselves is ridiculous.
Sometimes telling the truth is the wrong thing. Border patrol are not your friends. Next time tell them we are going camping for the week. Best answer to say to make them happy.
We never want to lie especially to someone in a position of power, but unfortunately I think you are right and an answer like that would have helped us in this situation. Or having a better answer for why we needed to come back to the United States.
@@the-wandering-wings Don't listen to him, if you're gonna lie that you will stay in Canada for a week or two weeks and then you'll be returning back to U.S the Canadian border patrol will pull you over on their territory and will arrest you for lying
Good luck getting back in after they find out last time you told them you would be a week and actually took 2 months. This kind of lie can get you denied entry permanently.
@@HMan2828 visitors can legally stay up to 6 months. Anything can happen while your up there. Maybe your vehicle broke down. Aslong as they don’t give you a stamp date you will be good.
Crossing border is always a sensitive issue. Sometimes people may be denied. But I am so impressed with your patience and understanding. I’m sure you will make it next time
Going with the flow is the worst thing to say to a border agent at any border. An exact destination and an exact time of return justified by something like I have to be back by this date because my travel insurance expires.
CBSA wanted to make sure that you were not coming to Canada to move here illegally and/or work. You don't seem to have a permanent residence in the US, and working "remotely" is still work. If you had a house in the US with your possessions in it, and said that you were on vacation until Aug 27, not working (even remotely) they would have just away your pepper spray and let you in.
You should try again, it is worth the visit.
Your channel just showed up in my YT feed. So sorry about your experience last year trying to get into Canada. What a disappointing first impression of our country. I hope you try again and can get through to the Banff area. It is gorgeous🥰! I know my husband and I had a terrible experience crossing into the US about 10 years ago. It can really leave a bad taste in your mouth for the whole country, but as you say, it's their job to make judgment calls and try to exclude any potential problem visitors. I love how you handled the situation, though. Back away, and live to fight (visit) another day! Much love from Beautiful British Columbia. 🥰
Similar happened to us driving from Maine to Canada. Lady was on a power trip and very short with my wife, parents and I for no reason. We are very easy going people. We did have pepper spray because my wife runs and I like her to have something for self defense. So they had us go in like you, we got lucky and that agent was great. He asked if it was cool if he tossed it or if I wanted it when we return, then said he was going to give me my first Canadian souvenir with a form he gave me lol. No further issues, maybe it was because we had a set plan with stops in Canadian cities for 5 days.
On the way back in through Houlton, the customs agent was hilarious and complimented me on my truck, said it sounded good lol. Night and day difference, took 20 seconds.
You need to have solid information with solid reasons for a visit to another country it's very difficult if you don't have a proper agenda and a leave date ..... and bringing pepper spray is an absolute no-brainer
I crossed over at the Montana border post, en route to Alaska, Canadians asked any pepper spray or weapons, Yes Bear spray and a 12 gauge shotgun with 20 rounds of double 00 buckshot, It was OK with the bear spray and I paid $20 Canadian for a temporary import license for the gun.
The Canadian border agents may have said "We don't know when they're leaving, and they didn't make the effort to find out that pepper spray is prohibited. Sorry....".
lol if only every border could reject people for such minor reasons.....
Sorry that happened! Can you try again and throw the pepper spray away first? Also, wondered why you didnt give them the August 27th date instead of 2 months? Seems like the guy wanted a specific date from what you shared. Anyways hope you have a great rest of your trip. ❤
I think we could try again, but its not in the cards for us right now! We would definitely get rid of the pepper spray next time. The way he worded his question made it seem like he wanted a specific reason that we couldn't miss! Like an appointment or something. We did share with him that we were planning to be back that last week of August, but unfortunately he still didn't like that answer. Thank you for tuning in tho! 🙂
@@the-wandering-wings It sounds like you guys needed to be more firm and confident with your answers and your ties and commitments in your home country the USA. Things like “the USA is our country and our home so we have to return by August 27. We are here just for vacation and we don’t want to stay in Canada past August 27.” You want to read up on all the possibilities when you go on a trip, especially an international trip so that you are fully prepared.
Not allowed to go with the flow folks , its not in the book !! . So sorry to hear about your experience . The world has not got better and countries are just getting more nationalistic , sad . When we travelled around Canada and the USA in 1971 everybody at the various borders were very pleasant and polite .
It was the no ties to the U.S and vague return plans that clinched it. Going with the flow is one thing but playing by "The rules" is a necessary step in any country ( Whether you like it or not).
@@mikeb3539 Back in our day when we travelled around the USA and Canada , we had packed in our jobs , some money in a bank account in Canada but otherwise cash in or pockets . No fixed address and our possessions were in our VW except for some left with a friend . And we only had a UK passport . So , in todays terms we would probably have gone nowhere . But it was a far safer and friendlier place back then .
@@grosvenorclub You can blame 9-11 and the USA for all the extra security these days!! The Pandemic and trumps stupidity did not help!!
I was thinking about this telecommuting thing being considered "working in Canada." I think Canada should update their rules. If the corporate headquarters of their employer is in the United States, if the paycheck is printed in the United States, if the taxes are deducted for the U.S. IRS and an American state, the person is *not* taking a job away from a Canadian. Instead, the worker is taking money from an American company to pay Canadians for his gas, his food, his oil changes, his camper site rent, etc. These are arguably the *best* people to have in Canada. For two months, they would be taking money from *outside* of Canada to spend *in* Canada.
Just imagine being Canadian and having to deal with this attitude by every police officer that has their own definition of the law and you have no legal action to question them on how they determine what the law is
Its brutal our government is so corrupt. We have a spoiled brat running things.
Yeah I would have just said no we don’t . Chances are the next guy searching your vehicle might not give a shit if you even would have gotten searched
@@matgood6231 Take it from frequent border crossers' it is essential to ALWAYS tell the truth!!! We lived in Canada & had parents & sister who lived in NY state.
@@djtaste8610
This has nothing to do,with the government. This is the law.
@@SheepOnDrugz who makes the law?? Yes thats right the government
Canadians, camping in Ontario. At the end of our time camping, we had a family function in Buffalo for the day. Faster to go straight to Buffalo so all our camping gear in the car. No problem getting into USA. Coming back into Canada we got searched. Nothing in car except camping gear like we told them. We had nothing to hide so the search didn't bother me at all.
Yah...I think that "go with the flow" mentality and vague responses did it.
I grew up in Detroit in the 1950's & 1960's. My parents were naturalized US citizens. We travelled to Ontario a lot to visit friends & crossed Ontario to go to New York every 3rd year. We never had a problem going to or from at any border crossing. While my parents had to show their naturalization papers, I only had to show my Michigan driver's license. Detroit merchants routinely handled Canadian $$ & Windsor merchants routinely handled US $$. I went again in the 1980's on business using only my driver's license. Again, no problems. Many Canadians worked in the Detroit area and many US citizens worked in the Windsor area, all of them crossed the border twice daily. Even though the 9/11 terrorists were not Canadian, border control was enacted. This was a drastic change in the friendly & cooperative attitude everyone had, Canadians & Americans alike. Detroit & Windsor were like twin cities. The current fear driven attitude is ridiculous.
Apparently he was wanting to see a visible Itinerary with dates & sites you were planning to visit.
Went to USA as a Canadian many years ago.
The US Border guy says, "Where are you staying tonight?"
"Oh, I don't know. Depends how far I get driving.
When I get tired, I'll pull over, and get a hotel or a motel room", I replied.
"Wrong answer. We need to know where you will be staying the first night.
I will let you go this time, but next time you need to let us know where you will be staying the first night in US".
"OK, will do. Thank you. Bye".
If I were to show up at the US border and even mention the phrase "I am going to work remote while in the US and have no residence in Canada" they would deny me and send me right back as well. You leaned a big lesson about international travel, this could have all been avoided with a few phone calls to get proper information - there are numerous embassies, consulates, hotlines for CBSA (our border patrol) and government websites. All could have helped this process. I do hope in the future you take the time, do it right and come visit us, you will not regret it.
I've crossed into Canada plenty. They want to know one thing mainly; you are not coming to Canada to take a Canadian Job. Answer the questions truthfully, but don't portray yourself as working. I saw a guy get popped in line at the Ottawa airport. "I'm here to work", when they asked about his visa.... crickets. That was the start of a bad night for him.
You will have all of those issues no matter what country you try to go to, with the answers you gave to the border patrol/immigration. It wasn't the pepper spray, it was the answers you gave to the questions as others have stated. From now on, give clear concise answers to their questions. If they want dates, give them actual dates for example a return date of August 31. If they want an address give them an address, like a parents home where your belongings are stored. If you work remotely, give the company office address and phone number. If they want to know what port of depearture/entry back tomthe US, go on a map and pick one even if it isn't the one you actually end up going through, but do this prior to your departure to Canada. If anyone asks, just tell them that your plans had changed. If you bring contraband in, it will be confiscated. Definitely no guns and/or ammunition or illegal drugs into Canada. AT. ALL. The guns and/or ammo will be confiscated, and depending on which port of entry you arrive at, you may be denied entry or free to move forward. Illegal drugs will get you detained and arrested.
It wasn't the pepper and bear spray that got you denied entry, those would have been confiscated and you would have been free to go. It was the vague answers to the rest of the questions that were given that resulted in the unfortunate outcome.
Just the fact that you are basically nomads will make it harder to cross any border for a lengthy visit. Especially when you don't have any concrete plans to your visit it makes it sound kinda suspicious to the border attendants. Unfortunately this exact scenario of having a long and unplanned visit to any country is one of the main ways illegal immigrants get across borders and don't leave. This is especially a problem for Canada as there are not really many other ways to immigrate to Canada illegally
Sorry guys. I'm from Canada. 12 years ago I received a 10 year ban from the US. My situation was similar to yours, but I won't go into details. Questioned for hours, fingerprinted, questioned again. Long story short, I haven't been back to the US for 12 years and probably never will.
That’s fucked up
@@richlisola1 NO That the BULLY country we all know the USA to be!!!!
I know I'm replying to an old video but...
The other comments have already pointed out what you did wrong. Now you know. I think the main problem was the vague 2 months stay. You need concrete plans. I wanted to add:
7:09 "Couldn't give him any answer" "Going with the Flow"
Could mean anything including illegal stuff. They have to err on the side of precaution, unfortunately. Before I moved back to Canada (from US) I crossed the border many times per year to visit my family.
Always told them the truth. I'm visiting my family in < location > for x weeks. I'm bringing over these items/gifts. That's it. Easy peesy. Took 2-5 minutes to actually cross. Most of time was spent waiting for holiday traffic.
For any banned (basic) weapons if you declare them they would just confiscate them upon entry.
Non declaration of illegal/banned weapons will result in more serious charges including arrest.
Sorry to hear about your rejection, but it DOES say online about ALL the stuff they don't allow INCLUDING pepper spray. Labeled bear spray is legal.
People need to check government websites to know requirements. Period. I do it when I travel out of the country.
It is called doing your homework.
Good for you this isn’t about what you do…
For all the other comments, pepper spray in Canada is considered a prohibited weapon. which is illegal. I wish u two best of luck re-entering banff and jasper are beautiful.
The point here, is that they rather you lie by telling them what they want to hear, then be completely honest. They don't want honest. That's how they keep their jobs.
Agree but if they happen to have their number come up for a search they would have been turned back and maybe banned from re entry later. That’s how things work once you cross Berlin, I mean the boarder
What ??? try lying to a U S border guard see what you get !
Nonsense M L
Kind of. Those of us who are neither from Canada nor the US (which has even tougher border for visitors) are trained to tell a version of truth that fits the immigration's need. For example, since "two months" is the truth, than make a date up--- say, exactly 60 days. You guys are too too honest.
No bear spray. Even if they found it, sorry I forgot about bear spray in my RV.
we were denied also. The boarder officer didn't like that we had no plans other than just curious to see Canada. he sent us back and told us we can try again tomorrow. He was scary rude too
You cannot work in Canada without the proper visa etc. Even if the answer is we work remotely. The rules still apply. The border guy likely denied entry cause of this answer. Any work in any shape or form without the proper paperwork is verbotten. Should have said money was saved for a two month vacation and returning to US to work etc. They are very serious about making sure no one can get in who might work somewhere somehow. Don't even hint or joke about it. Also keep resume off your computer.
I am a dual citizen so those rules don't apply to me.
It's not the pepper spray is the remote work…. If you don't have a work permit you cannot work in Canada, even if it's remote. Pretty simple
"we couldn't find anything online that said you couldn't bring pepper spray into Canada"
MY GOOGLE SEARCH: "Can I bring pepper spray into Canada"
GOOGLE SEARCH RESULT:
Is It Illegal to Bring Pepper Spray Into Canada? Pepper spray is classified as a prohibited weapon under the Criminal Code, therefore, bringing it into Canada is illegal. Individuals caught with pepper spray while crossing the Canadian border will be face sanctions, including possible jail time and a criminal record.
someone suggested saying bear spray vs. saying pepper spray.
@@veryhappy6003 Let's say for example I want to know how to barbeque a steak, and someone suggested that I google "how to barbeque chicken", do you think I would google "how to barbeque chicken?"
No, the first thing I would do is give the person who suggested that a wedgie.
The second thing I would do is give them a quick slap upside the head (nothing painful, just a quick love tap to smarten them up and make sure they never ever provide advice to anyone ever again)
THEN - I would google "how to barbeque a steak".
If for some reason I followed their advice and googled "how to barbeque chicken", I would give myself a wedgie and a slap upside the head.
It wasn't the pepper spray, they were concerned that you would not go back to the US. Next time, write up an itinerary.
Oh no that's horrible guys. We're so sorry to hear you got denied entry. Everything happens for a reason! Thank you for sharing your journey with us. Looking forward to where you go next!
Exactly how we are looking at things! Definitely have some exciting plans in the mix 🙂
Bummer, you are the kind of people we gladly and would quickly become fast friends with. Hope you will give. 🇨🇦visit another try, maybe different crossing with answers to their questions that will appease them. Canada well worth the effort. 🇨🇦🙏💖🙏🇺🇸
As Canadian very sad to hear that you have been denied entry , I was denied entry into usa yesterday because I had no proof of vaccination ( apparently usa perhaps the only country in the world with vaccine requirement) and on top of that the us officer very rude very unprofessional and he treat me and my father like criminals ( in his mind ) … I filed a complaint, my sister is usa citizen and she has problems when entering Canada… it’s so frustrating to hear border agents from both sides are a burden and harassment towards us … I’m paying their wages to make my life more difficult ? I’m expecting quite the opposite..
for some odd reason, the "risk" that you might try to stay and/or work is a bigger concern than anything else. they're really tough on this. I know people who were going to a weekend convention, but were denied because CBSA feared they might do some paid work during those two days! If you watch the "Border Security" show, Canadian guards routinely turn people away when the amount of clothes and/or supply of cash doesn't seem to line up with the length of time they're supposed to stay in Canada. Like, they're crazy picky about these things.
Communists
@@mikec5422 Even communist Cuba is much easier to get in to. Their customs procedures are a breeze compared to Canada.
picky no but like the US Canada frequently has a problem with those flaunting laws and considering their plans beyond the norm. Try the other way it can be far far worse
@@bsenkawe don't want violent time breaking Americans in Canada. Stay home. 🇨🇦
Do they ask about your finances?
Try again next summer.. next time 1) use your parents place as a home base, thst is where your stuff is. 2) don't bring in bear or pepper spray... we do have that in Canada lol. Buy it when your in the country. 3) have a plan of where your going to go. 4) have a set date to be back. Make sure you share your itinerary of where your going to be with booked camping spots, and proff of vurtual employment. You can't be vague when coming here. You need clean answers. Better luck next time.
Have to say you always have to have an itinerary even for Canadians to cross into the US. As they feel if you don’t have a return date and jobs that have a proper address that’s also a red flag for people might be planning on staying.
Plus crossing the border into Canada, no pepper spray and fire arms, brass knuckle switch blades. You have to do your due diligence
Why 🤔 can you not say you are tourist and traveling?
@@JS-jh4cy traveling into any country they like to see plans.. where you are staying.. how long are you staying seems to require a definitive answer going into the US as well.
Guns are legal with paperwork
No telling how much trouble you two could have caused after crossing the border.
So sorry to hear you got denied entry. We hear Canada has been awfully strict.😔 Thank you for sharing the questions they asked you. I’ve only experienced that much questioning with dates/addresses when entering Ireland. It was INTIMIDATING.😅
I swear this was worse than when we have traveled to other international destinations 😅Happy to share, hopefully this will help prepare you if you have plans to cross anytime soon !
@@the-wandering-wings We are leaning towards next year for Canada & Alaska. We just keep hearing horror stories about crossing into Canada still so we’re avoiding it for now.😕 Mexico was a breeze in the van though if you ever plan on going to Baja!😌
Fire arms are a no go!
Pepper spray is classed as a firearm, thus a no go!
Have a person you are going to visit.
Know where they live (address) phone etc.
The departure thing is very important.
try entering the US sometimes it's just a shit show until an intelligent supervisor gets involved.
@@alpearson9158 Having no borders like Szcengen Zone in Europe is a lot better
Your mistake was to tell them 2 months, you should have told them 3 days shopping..
It's a bit of an expensive flight but why don't you try a trip to one of our other provinces? .... China.
Nice. haha
Cheaper to fly from Calgary to Shanghai than it is from Calgary to Halifax.
Okay, so here's the lesson, in case anyone missed it: When you enter another country as a tourist, they have to be reasonably certain that you are, indeed a tourist, who intends to leave rather than someone who is trying to enter illegally. For that reason, it's important when traveling across an international border, to be able to demonstrate a clear plan of exit and how you have the means to be traveling - another sign you may be seeking entry for work purposes, as opposed to leisure. That's all. The questions were extremely standard, actually. Also, check what is and isn't considered a weapon in the country you're entering. Rules are strict when going over International borders. Most places have VERY different attitudes on the right to bear arms than the US. Live and learn. Better planning and better luck next time :)
I’m surprised they did not asked for vax. Info.
I am sorry you were turned away. I ended up in secondary inspection in Windsor, Ontario, for a planned few-hour visit to a restaurant a few months ago.
That's it record your experiences with border crossings whether they go good or bad and record your interactions with border guards however they may go!
Everything happens for a reason…God bless.
I’m so sorry that happened to you guys but when you say “Banff in the summer there are Bears wrong answer but that doesn’t give them the authority to harass you ‘ you guys are trying to have a great trip to Banff that we as Canadians treasure and love sharing it with the whole world 😘🇨🇦
"that we as Canadians treasure and love sharing it with the whole world" - what a lovely sentiment. That brought a tear to the eye of this Canadian-American
a border officer doing his job is not harassment.
As for pepper spray, since it is a prohibited weapon, that is more concerning that a registered rifle, as long as you declare the rifle. The pepper spray is considered prohibited and even declaring it upon request is suspicious. In their eyes, why would you be trying to bring in or even carrying a prohibited weapon? It's all so arbitrary.
Love your videos guys!!🇨🇦 wish you could have visited... we will look forward to that tho😉
You said you were going to stay two months with no particular plans and mentioned working from anywhere. The Border officer was doing their job correctly.
Honestly I find that ridiculous when you could have thrown it away and they could have checked to make sure there was no more, then let you cross. Denying entry is a bit too extreme for that scenario. Sounds like he was prejudiced against van lifers and Americans in general. I think if I were you I'd see if there is anyone I could talk to about it.
I think we could always try again another time! It looked like they turned a number of people away that we noticed while waiting in the waiting room. Right now it's not in the cards for us to try again, so fingers crossed next time we try we have better luck!
They weren’t denied entry not because of the spray but because nothing was tying them back to the states. When you said we can work from anywhere and that you don’t own a home or rent. That when you got red flagged.
@@vadik7 Yes I agree! The pepper spray was the reason we were questioned further, and our answers and lack of ties to the US were what caused us to be denied.
@@the-wandering-wingsthat's a major ?? for them, "when you going back?"! You were too iffy answering that, and of course you now know, your spray is illegal there., and whoa...the agent wasn't interested in seeing his own new niece/nephew, whatever? Very telling, not everyone is family oriented. Shouldn't be judging anyone else by his own shortcomings. Beautiful scenery where you're at 😍
Hello from Canada. It is our loss that your visit was not allowed. Please forgive us. Cheers and all the best in your young lives with many nice decades ahead.
Who do you think you are that you can enter into Canada without providing your itinerary and without having specific plans about your trip. This is nothing unusual it happens all the time when you cross the border they wanna see where you’re going where you’re staying and when you’re intending on coming back
It wasn’t the pepper spray. They thought you were going to work and stay.
Very sad 😢 to hear you were turned away! Indeed Canada ‘s🇨🇦 loss.
Our Country is beautiful and normally welcoming and hospitable.
Since the pandemic 😷 normal is anything but.
Your frustration and disappointment is shared amongst many Canadians.
Our country just isn’t what it was pre-pandemic. Many Canadians are frustrated.
I have crossed land borders and also ferry crossing to and from Canada and the USA.
When entering the USA as Canadian citizen it seems that the expectation is that length of stay is satisfied with a date of departure.
I doubt I have ever been absolutely specific with an exact date.
But I do always have a be home by date. Family and friends also appreciate knowing that date.
Bear spray vs pepper spray. I honestly don’t know the difference. It seems to me that this could be the issue.
Entering the USA 🇺🇸 one is acceptable and not the other.
I understand it is expensive and would seem ridiculous to throw it away.
I have had mine for years and never used it. I keep it in the van, it is it at all uncommon to encounter a bear.
I guess it is similar to having fire extinguishers, first aid kits, a spare tire, etc. I hope not to need these things. I carry them all on my van as part of my safety plan.
I hope not to need my CPR mask but I have a couple of them on aboard always.
I never tossed out my Bear Spray. Seems that it would be irresponsible to toss it into a garbage bin.
I would surrender it at a border crossing if it were an issue. I thought that would be a far better option than a trash bin?
I am new to your channel. I might power watch your videos. I hope one day our paths cross.
I am American and crossed into Canada with no issues. Coming back to my home country I got asked a million questions like where I worked, if my car was in my name, where I was staying, what did I do in Canada, did I have over $10,000 worth of cash, did I have alcohol, Marijuana. THEN the guard told me to roll down my back windows. After all that he gave me back my passport and seemed disappointed. I'm being serious.
YES USA are nothing but bullies - even to their own citizens. I know many nice american youtubers - and most of them do their research and do not roll up to Canada just expecting to be allowed in with no questions!! UNLIKE these Uneducated and Ignorant Americans.
Sorry, but if you had a house - rented or owned - that you paid for and would be coming back to, your odds would have been much better.