😱 How Long Was This Ancient American Southwestern City Underwater??
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I am one of the archaeologists that excavated some of those nearby sites. The single line of rocks are footers to anchor walls, the walls were either jacal or adobe, and enclosed the courtyards, like in yor illustration. Many of these buildings were 2 or 3 stories tall. If you want to see what a standing one looks like, google Paquime or Casa Grande National Monument. The sites are similar in size and construction.
Thanks for that info.
Thought I would put in a good word for Jeff, I watch many of his videos. I love his enthusiasm, and it's fun to go on these adventures with him.
Thank you for your knowledge. Im an East Coastie and I had no idea there were sites like Paquima still standing. Incredible.
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Most Americans have no idea
Interesting, to me at least, is that I have some late 19th century adobe ruins on my own property in Arizona and the construction is the same, only using cement as the footer. The title goes back to 1882 and I assume those ruins were the original home, using construction methods going back 800 or 1000 years because with little wood available it's the only practical way to construct a solid dwelling.
The drone footage really made a huge difference in understanding the structures. Thanks for sharing!
*Thank you Jeff! Perhaps some addl info here.*
npshistory.com/handbooks/cooperating_associations/wnpa/tech/2/tonto.pdf
I love the sound of the water added in! It makes me feel like I’m there & water is so soothing.
Yay!! Most man-made lakes and reservoirs have Native American places under them. Lake Mead, Lake Powell, Lake Almanore, Folsom Lake, Shasta Lake, Mountain Meadows, are just a few that I know of. Captain Jacks Stronghold is the opposite. Some places they took the water away. The petroglyphs by Captain Jacks, are 20-30 feet in the air, but you can see the waterline below the petroglyphs. Love your adventures. Thanks for taking us along
Not to go anti-native on your comment... but there are many modern communities and town that were flooded and underwater by modern reservoirs and hydro dams... at least 3 I know of in Somerset County in Maine... The Tennessee Valley Authority dam put many rural poor town underwater...
Same at Allegheny Reservoir and Kinzua in Warren Pennsylvania. The government took the land of the Seneca Nation, and flooded it.
Hi Northern California! I have my Mom's not very good primitive movies of Kennett, a white-man's town at the bottom of Shasta lake, but never thought about native sites; very likely. I have a prejudice that the NoCal tribes didn't leave much hard construction.
all of them have resources under them. Creek confluences in the desert are highly likely to contain archaeological resources
This is what they call "progress," Grandma Bev. Even moreso now about "clean energy" & diverting water from a once reasonably habitable region to some of the least habitable regions because people decided to build huge communities smack dab in the middle of it.
Brilliant vid. historical theory the best. You are so great in your respect for the past and humble. Love u telling walkers to respect the earth they walk on.
There is a huge structure north of this that is not underwater, last I knew. HUGE. It’s about a third of a mile.
Thank you, Jeff, for the trip. It was very interesting. ❤
A very Old Site - wow - all that History - this was truly a Great Adventure - thanks for showing us - always a Pleasure ! Many Cheers from Australia !!!!
Many thanks! :-) Glad you enjoyed it!
Jeff I would like to thank you for showing me the most beautiful scenery ever 😊 and the fact that ancient ancestors walked the same paths is incredible ❤ Again thank you
Thank you for coming along with me :-) I’m glad you liked this trip!
That was unique. Carefully laid out grid like areas. It's definitely not natural, and I am sorry that the dam and resulting lake have caused this to be mostly underwater now. I'm glad you aren't doing all these hikes and explores alone. Things happen even to the most careful and experienced among us. ❤
Great adventure! I’m so glad I found you. All your adventures are very interesting and well done. It’s almost like being there for me. My late husband, a bow hunting southern Californian, took me camping and hiking in the high desert and some canyons. Then when we moved to Virginia, we hiked and camped part of the Appalachian Trail and other nearby mountains. I can relate to the rocky trails, but the SW’s terrain and vegetation is so different than here. That’s why I like your videos so much. Thanks for including us.
Thank you for your comment and for being part of my channel! :-) I love hearing that you and your late husband did some great trips together outdoors. Nothing beats getting outside and enjoying nature!
Well, you have done it again, given us wonderful ideas to ponder 😊. Thanks
Thank you for the Adventure and the history of that location! Great video!
GREAT find ! Thanks for sharing
Wow! Great content! You're really good at this. Thanks
All those rounded smooth river rocks point to a settlement near a river. Fresh water and a food source nearby. Dams do cover and/or damage many sites. It's a shame more research wasn't done before hand.
Yes, there is a river close to this site, and those are mostly river cobbles. And yes, there is fresh water and land to grow crops. The river bottom had irrigation canals, and there is good evidence that a lot of the land was devoted to growing cotton to trade. There was a substantial effort to learn more about these sites, close to 80 sites, at least 5 the size of the site in this video, were excavated. Even so, that was a small amount of what was there.
Love your channel man!! It's warming up so it's about time foe me and my family to do some trekking!!
This could be a Chinampa, a technique used in Mesoamerican agriculture which relies on small, rectangular areas of fertile arable land to grow crops on the shallow lake beds in the Valley of Mexico. They are built up on wetlands of a lake or freshwater swamp for agricultural purposes, and their proportions ensure optimal moisture retention. Inferencing, but taller platform structures would have more rubble.
Its definitely interesting how lush that Legume (Alfalfa most likely) was growing inside some of those enclosures...As if they have Terra preta underneath them
Thank you for your effort and going all the way wherever you go and showing us on video
Very cool hike!
You always show us the neatest stuff! 💝
Thanks for watching! :-)
It is always better to have a 2nd person on a hike. If you step on a pop top and blow out your flip flop you got help.
And not a margarita in sight..*sighs*
This is true but I’ve always very much preferred hiking on my own. It’s a problem :-)
Just make sure to wear sunscreen, wish Jimmy had done it more.
And hurt your heel..and have to Cruze on back home😢
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Hi Kevin!👋🏻 Welcome back! Looking forward to todays adventure!!!
Very interesting. Great channel❤
I am fascinated with the tech you used in imaging a housing and granary and the other tech that revealed more of the petroglyphs.
He probably use DStretch to enhance the rock art.
Interesting deviation from your usual fare, and equally intriguing!
Thanks and I am so glad that you brought your friend, safety in numbers!? Hiking in shorts..no snakes in the area?! And the archeologists replying, awesome
"as you can see, there's not much going on right here at this spot"...meanwhile there is a straight line of not natural stones at that very spot.
I thought the same thing. I think he was referring to not seeing any artifacts, which is unusual in sites like this.
I find drone footage to be a large addition to most videos.
I will try to add drone footage when I can!
Pretty interesting. Thanks for bringing us along.
Rounded river rocks would be ver hard to build walls with.
These walls were mostly adobe, about 2 to 3 feet thick. They were built in courses about 2 to 3 feet thick and the rocks were used to join the courses, or like most of the straight rock alignments in Jeff's video, to serve as the foundation and essentially anchor the bottom course of the adobe wall to the ground. This was the way the courtyard walls were built. The rooms are often at least two stories and had more of these cobbles in the adobe, which you can see in the video as rock piles.
I see. Thanks! @@user-jo8vx2xx8j
Often there also are more modern 19th Century towns under lakes. My ancestors lie under a lake in Pennsylvania due to the family not having resources at the time to relocate their ancestor's graves. Unfortunately no transcription of the graveyard or records of each grave was made or survives if ever made. An entire town is under that lake in Pennsylvania. So I do think it is not terribly unique that very ancient towns are under water all over. Thanks for showing us what is visible by your eyesight and drone and satellite photo.
Check out all the old maps, they all show castles and huge parcel of lands with their own castles in these regions and spread throughout America we live on top of an ancient civilization or maybe not so ancient!
Retired archaeologist who prepared Sutton Hoo for excavation in the 1980's says... this is a much better video. I loved your explanation of what you're recording. Quite fascinating. I, too, found it odd that the place isn't covered in pottery fragments. Were some of the cultures in the American south-west "pre-pottery", such as occurs in the 'Pre-pottery Neolithic' (PPN-a, PPN-b, PPN-c) of Mesopotamia and the Fertile Crescent? But, again, no lithics (flint and chert tools)? Very odd, rather mysterious, but also very enjoyable. The site raises more questions than it provides evidence for answers. Well done.
Having excavated 37 of the sites around this lake, I can tell you Jeff's dating is correct. This site should have Salado polychrome pottery, which is really nice looking stuff and flaked stone. These artifacts are likely under the mud from the lake or possibly washed away when floods come down the wash. From the European perspective, this would be a Late Neolithic proto state. Prior to building these larger sites, the valley has widely scattered compounds with 3 to 5 rooms, single story and courtyards enclosed by those same type of walls you see in the video. These sites were single family or an extend family home. Sometime in the late 1100s, these smaller sites were entirely abandoned, and these large sites were built up and everyone moved into them. One of the main reason was to protect people and their food from raiders. Some of these large sites had Ollas (large ceramic jars) in them that were so big the rooms had to be built around them. And I excavated one of the single family sites where we found half a dozen arrow points embedded in the 2 foot of adobe wall by the door to a room. Inside were two people that had been killed by blows to the head, after which the room was burned down with the bodies in the room. One of the bodies was completely buried when the burning roof collapsed, but the upper torso of the other was left partially exposed and dogs or coyotes scavenged the upper body leaving a trail of chewed human bones all the way to the door.
That level of detail is insane
I visited this site a few years ago when the water was lower and found little pottery but there was some. A nearby hilltop site has much more.
Hi Jeff.
I just watched this video. Your content just gets better everytime you post something.
I'm noticing more research and much more of a professional nature in each presentation. Who wouldn't be impressed by your channel?
As a Geography graduate from the University of South Carolina but with absolutely ZERO field experience 😁, I envy you very much. If I had graduated in my 20's (as opposed toy 50's), I might have some worthwhile experience to share.
But I'll just keep on watching your channel and cheering you on.
Keep up the great work!
Envious in South Carolina,
- Ed Young
Had to watch this twice. Cool find
Thank you so much, Sharon!
Very interesting. Maybe it's the water at this site that brings to mind the Steamboat Arabia. It's much more recent history but if you have never heard of it, it's an interesting story of a man and his sons who decided to dig in a field to find a steamboat that sunk in the Missouri River in the mid 1800s, the river having changed course in the years after the sinking. The family learned to preserve what they found and ended up with an entire museum full of the stores of canned food, brand new building materials, clothing etc. that had been headed to the settlers of the era. It always gives me chills to think of the story and the fabulous museum etc. Worth looking up and going to the museum if you've never been.
Been to the museum. Very interesting!
0:27 😅 Looking forward to this episode, Jeff! I love your videos and only wish they were at least an hour long. 😁 I like to watch while I fall asleep. The crunching noises of your footsteps, the sounds of nature and your narration is perfect ASMR. It’s just cool being able to explore with you. Love from Wisconsin❤
Very interesting find. My guess is that they used rocks as a foundation boundary line and the actual buildings would have been made of tarps, tents or wood that could be removed by people and the weather. These are not collapsed walls of stacked rocks like we saw on most other videos, they only mark the perimeters of the buildings that were there one day. Who knows how long ago, tho. I wonder if there's any research on this spot in particular done by anyone before.
Yes I think you're right 👍
Its been found to be pueblo built and at least 1200 years old.
Excellent video, I loved it 🥰🤩🥰
Glad you enjoyed it! This was a fun one!
In NC there are so many places hidden under our lakes & waterways.
The best way to see this stuff is to get a job on an oil rig or workover rig. 80% of time spent on a location is waiting for a well to come in or drilling or Fracing, and this leaves hours, sometimes days with the crew sitting on their thumbs. A good operator will let you walk around and be back in so many hours... I have found boxes of arrowheads and pottery chips over the years. My neighbor once found a brand new pair of moccasins on a ledge in a overhang. I mean thousand year old moccasins. Stuff seen in this video is common as dirt in New Mexico.
look up " The Quabbin Reservoir is an important water source in Massachusetts, but the history of its construction is a darker tale.1 In the 1930s, four thriving towns, Dana, Enfield, Greenwich, and Prescott, along with the town of Greenwich, were unincorporated, razed, and flooded to create the reservoir, which today supplies drinking water to 3 million people. About 2,500 people were displaced by the construction, according to the state Department of Conservation and Recreation. The four lost towns are located at the bottom of the present-day Quabbin Reservoir, and their ruins can be seen today."... I would not want to be drinking that water , or swimmin in it , or bathing in it or evene ating fish from it . I have friends who have been there and on many days you can see the town below teh water
I love your background music!
Thank you, Bruce! It took several days to find some music that wasn't too annoying or over the top. So, I appreciate your feedback!
Loved the drone footage …thanks
Great information thanks
I wonder who these people where from, thank you so much for sharing your adventures!
Another great video! I know this place!
There is a place in texas that much of the old town is under water. The foundation of the courthouse is clearly visible.
A lot of the area out west in the desert was underwater (Nevada, Utah, Southern Oregon and Eastern California). So a lot of those structures you visit, might have been on a shore line
In it to Win it! Chef from Oak Hill WV checkin in. Grew up in Tucson, scouted, saw things. Nuff said
it would be cool if you could get a multispectral camera for your adventures... you would be shocked at how different wavelengths of light can expose features the naked eye cannot see.
Whoaaaa…. Those are massive! Great find 👍
This was a nice change of pace from desert trekking. Can't imagine what kind of structure this really was with only a rock out line.
Very interesting, Thanks for showing this off.
Fantastic! Thank You for taking us along on the trek!
Thank God for people that do these videos. There's many of us that say we are going to do this or that n never do it. These guys are those this n that.
Definitely plan on going there on my next vacation!! Oh dang, cant do that, you never mentioned where it was!!
This was a different kind of adventure and I loved it. Nice work mate!
I love the sound of your footsteps 😊
Really nice. I especially appreciate that there is also a little research put in the end of what the structure has been like/what for etc. This segment could be a lot longer/in depth also, would be awesome. But yeah, really interesting stuff thanks! ^^
If you look at the southwest from satellite views, you can see many grid patterns that are very old, not roads or anything recently man made.
Some of those grid patterns are buildings like this one. Some are prehistoric fields. The Salado, which is our name for this culture, made gridded fields over much of Central Arizona. In the Arctic and high mountains you get a gridded pattern that looks man-made, but is actually the result of frost and freeze thaw, google patterned ground.
Well, if this the case then the population must have been in the millions cause they cover large areas in New Mexico, Texas, Arizona, California, Mexico and Utah, many 10s of thousands of acres.@@user-jo8vx2xx8j
What a good vid! Kev breaking the trail again! Have you seen any of Isak Finnbogasen's drone stuff? All the best from a bright and breezy North East England, x.
Really interesting. Thank you.
Interesting. Enjoyed the video. Thanks.
This was mui interesante. Thanks for taking us along.
thank you for following up on Dans work, hes been speaking about this place for years, iwas fortunate enough to recieve some old maps through him and i was just going through them again this morning
Interesting. Thanks. 👍☮️🌞🌵🥾
Loved this adventure. Really enjoy the educational aspect
Great video love the drone footage and graphics. 😎
Glad you enjoyed it
Very cool vid Jeff. Thanks
I disagree with a previous "archeologist". Foundations show no entryways the rocks well rounded. If in the Sonoran basin, it looks look like an ancient irrigated waffle-farm (like rice paddies in Asia). Estimate 4,000-8,000 yo. They grew maize, bean and squash. There are many more sites like this (and bigger). From satellite pictures, looks it is down stream from a dam. 4k years ago, they would have "redirected" some river water to the waffles.
Wow, so intresting site. Makes on wonder a lot👋🇫🇮
You should see the Indian Village of Towash in Lake Whitney. When they built the dam they flooded the town/village.
I always wonder if theres archeologists that have been through this place in the past. Looks like alot going on. Great place and great find. Love it
Chuck from OH. Hi Kevin a friend of Jeff's is a friend of mine. I been watching 1st amendment auditors and I'm really judging a lot of stuff on utube. Lol but wow those ruins are certainly a mystery. Platform's sounds like a possibility. Very cool n just wish we could look back in time n just see their lives and sometimes we know enough about the people and their past that we can reenact the ir lives in movies and documentaries. I been thinking about getting an e bike can't buy a new car so may think about an e bike n some of them aren't cheap lol . But some are. Caves are cool something about them are really special just give you a feeling you can't explain we have some here in OH. One called old man's cave n it's cool n super old caves . Thanks Jeff for allowing us to hang out there with you . If you go anywhere like this can you pick us up please if you have enough room . Lol Chuck from OH.
That was a great video. Good job.
When they talk about boundaries they are correct. My home has a block wall around my backyard which serves as the boundary between my yard and my neighbors. This single rock alignments are the base of adobe walls that are boundaries between groups, probably families or extended families.
Really cool stuff. Remember columbus discovered "America" but there were millions of various native tribes here!
Laughable. Great video and wonderful channel!!
he discovered it for the Europeans, they were unaware of the continent's existence at the time
Beautiful site!
I just saw this Photo from 1924 showing a Paviotso man painting petroglyphs called 'The Primitive Artists-paviotso, 1924' so interesting watching your videos and trying to imagine and there is an actual photo
Another interesting trek! Thanks Jeff!
Very cool, thank you.
Pretty stinking cool
Wonderful!
What about using a LIDAR scannier, A good ground cover, penitration would show much. .
I loved this! 💜 very intriguing.
Cool, thanks!
Very cool.
Interesting for sure
The one moment in your video it looked like a street going through the middle of the buildings
This is so cool
Excellent!
Thanks Jeff!
Odd -- but interesting.
Back before 12 thousand years ago the ocean shore lines were very different.
The placement of lakes and rivers were different too.
Looks like an old fishing village.
So mysterious. 😍
So interesting
i like it. why not buy craft supplies and make a model of the city, using the 3d model as a guide? this way you can look at it and take pictures of it, to share with people.
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