It’s not that they just made two wide seven Gunlances, it’s that they made two wide seven Gunlances and an armor set with artillery secret that is actually really good.
And WExploit, Wide is great for pokes so you do get some benefit from affinity (unless you're me most of the time doing charged shell combos to chainstun stuff)
Theres a pc mod on nexusmods that increases shell lvl to 7 for all gunlances. If you're a person looking for the best damage between long and wide, don't bother waiting for a long 7 to drop. If you're like me and play both long and wide, you might have to wait til master rank Zorah/Kulve or maybe Alatreon
They really cannot balance this weapon so that no shall type is blatantly more powerful than the other. >hey guyz! Long is the best DeePS! Wide is trash >Safi gave us Normal 7. It's teh best Wide gunlance >ZOMG Wide 7 is now the best Long gunlance If we get Long 7, we are gonna come full circle. I just want the different playstyles to not feel so isolated.
The unique solution is to make 1 and only playstyle that merge everything, 5 bullets with wide damage shell and long damage charged shell, then you play the way you want.
I believe the video showed that you can also use the poke shell playstyle which is the wide playstyle, and with the raging brachy armor, pretty sure normal 7 is still up there in damage
This only happens because they made anything related to the "lance" part of gunlance a huge fucking hassle.. Having to tenderize twice, almost every monster is a walking shitzone that moves all over the place screwing up fullburst more often than not, the new stake, while amazing, also undermines any melee value since you just want to get the pew pews for the extra explosions, which also have a very stupid modifier for charged shells. So whenever a new upgrade comes we will just gravitate towards the best way to abuse the shells and wyrmstake blast with it. That being said, in this video, he's mostly using the charged shells in order to trip rathian so it's sorta like a hybrid right now between long and wide, which is a bit better than what we've had so far I guess
im a novice sheller but this whole setup looks good enough for me for fullburst too,I'm never gonna be a speedrunner so this "trash" for me is a high end option that is also flexible and fun
I want to get into gunlance but...well it all seems complicated for me, no brainer HBG user. How do i tell if the gunlance is wide or normal or long shelling?
This looks like a dope set! Now all I need is raging Brachy, and just about every charm that isn’t effluvium resistance... should only take several years
I use both charge blade and gun lance but I dont know why but I fell in love with gunlance, ever since I switch, yeah I never new how to controll the recoil but thanks to this video you earn my sub! 😁
@@caoslayer I know but for ages people played with the 2 silver los for a reason. I wonder if it is worth losing some skills point to have the increase duration of the spike again. But I am on pc so I ll have to wait.
Were you or anybody able to check if Safi GL can obtain Wide III? That way you can have that high element poke with Wide 7 damage? Or would that not be feasible as you wouldn't be able to slot in typical wide GL decos in conjuction with typical long decos? The damage from the pokes seem lack luster to the elemental Safi, but I guess what you're trying to point out is Raging brachy can be used as both Long/Wide. Thoughts CaoSlayer? I'm sure everyone wants to dissect the GL God's brain...
I'm a wide shelling boi myself so returning to the game and seeing a good artillery secret set and wide 7 is a blessing. Btw are the wide 7 kulve gl's comparable to raging brach?
I can't for the life of me figure out how CaoSlayer calculated 290 charge health damage (I'm assuming from Wide 7). As even in this own video, his charge shells with the Lightbreak GL deals damage in the 140s. After finally building and using the Lightbreaker myself for many hunts (getting similar numbers) and then going back to the Safi Long 6, I'm getting charge shell damage in the 180s in both hunts and the testing grounds. What am I missing in how CaoSlayer calculated the shell damage he referenced in the video?
Good lord. I wasn't a big fan of world, kept playing GU and went into Rise, but shit like this makes me wanna try it again. I wish wide could do this in other games.
So what's the most efficient way to play wide GL? Like the best combo to use? Normal shelling I use full burst combo, Long shelling I spam charged shots, so where does wide fit into the picture?
Elemental damage is better than raw on gunlance but since you cant make good use of safi extra skill I cant see a good way to use it. The weapon also lacks slots. The 15% affinity is no good when you can slot an expert+ plus a WE for 20% affinity
I don't get why they'd do this. Btw I don't even main gl so biased aside, doesn't this defeat the purpose of long shell type to wide? they could have just added damage to pokes but to use a wide like a long just feels like they threw the concept of different shell types out the window and said screw it doesn't it?
Just wondering if crit build for GL is any good for wide or normal because I got a build that’s (critical eye 7, agitator 7, artillery 5, guard 5, guard up, speed sharpening 3, protective polish, health boost 3, capacity boost , crit boost 3 and weakness exploit 3).
CaoSlayer ya I was test with crit eye/ crit boost build without agitator activated in the training area, poke shell was doing a little more damage than pure charge shelling but that stagger damage is insane and what I like about what you have created is you can do both poke shell or long or mix it up in quest.
CaoSlayer I tweaked it and made a 2.0 version a more aggressive build (the one above) I dropped focus because i feel like I can still get of the charge shells when I want the difference with it on isn’t too big and I’m mostly poke shelling with this build (which still staggers a lot and makes monster stand still to get in my charged shots) plus its a full crit build and works with normal shelling with safi
@@alexzander7143 Yes, attack skills have a lower impact on your total dps than the rest of weapons. Crit boost was just a 15%. Im farming brachy for the pants now to make the comparison
Is different since you gain access to other set bonuses. You can use pre safi builds. The numbers of slots makes it almost equal to zorah sets before safi.
"Wide 7 can be played like long gunlance" Only for this specific build right? I wanna take a break from the long gameplay, it gets stale after doing it since the start of the expansion lol
Slinger cap is great, but never has been necesary. all boils down if you can kill the monster before WSB ends or you can't kill it even with slinger cap... that is a monster to monster case. In this kind of builds I post, I always go for something generic, then depending the monster I swap around. By example, the very first thing I use to cut is guard because I can keep the monster staggered in the ground or move out of the way with evade extender.
@@anlosjacobo1283 Doubt. Made a build in the simulator using full Brachy set and was able to fit 100% affinity (without softening) with extra Crit Boost 3, Guard 5, Health Boost 3, Guard up and Evade Extender 3.
@@rhirune thanks man. I just arrived and tested the damages. Brachy over damages Rajang by a lot, except for thunder weak monsters. Damn, brachy made new metas xD Thanks a lot!!😂
Anlos Jacobo It’s never been particularly hard to compensate for negative affinity. Brachy doesn’t even have negative, meanwhile making up a meaningful difference in raw can be pretty costly.
Okay so what i get from this is. When the monster is down. Poke,shell,poke,shell. When the monster is up u poke,(charged)shell,poke(charged)shell until its toppled again. Correct
Okay, but when can we get a Normal style gunlance play again? I mean, I'd really like to do more than push 2 buttons in alternating fashion and have the monster constantly tripped, crazy I know. :(
Happy to get wide back as a strong playstyle. Then Alatreon swoops in with a Long 7. That would be crazy. On another note, can you get Wide 7 on Safi awakening now?
ok i see that you are using charged shelling on the wide gunlance so focus charges it up faster. Is this the optimal playstyle? Can I use basic shelling by tapping circle?
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Capcom: "We think gunlance players will be happy with this update."
Wow... they weren't kidding
been my main since Freedom Unite on the psp. can't w8!!!! i am on pc though >.>
Hoi Hoegaathet freedom unite gunlancing was amazing.
They impress me very well.
@@afspeellijstnaruto Why do you say that like its a bad thing? PC is better for MHW than PS5 will be.
Vincent I believe he’s referring to the brachy armor and the GL which isn’t on PC right now.
So this is the redemption arc for GL. We're finally in the endgame.
GL was always great
*Wide GL
Not just yet, still need one more thing...
...long 7
monster hunter dude alatreon gunlance, maybe?
@@sleepynocturne8010 ah haha, very nice
I hope so too
Really glad they brought back the "highlighter pen" design for the Gunlance. Looks freaking epic!
I'm glad R.Brachy original designs are back
It’s not that they just made two wide seven Gunlances, it’s that they made two wide seven Gunlances and an armor set with artillery secret that is actually really good.
And WExploit, Wide is great for pokes so you do get some benefit from affinity (unless you're me most of the time doing charged shell combos to chainstun stuff)
Cao: Wide has better charge shells than Long
Wide: How's it feel, Long?!
Long: Just wait till i level up to 7
Facksy Fiazeli
Normal: HAHA that’s cute long
@@SunnyDaking_
Long: I still need only 2 perks to cap my damage unlike you normal
Long 7, in the background: *I am... inevitable*
yep, alatreon is surely gonna be long 7, then its back to charged spam meta
Kulve also has chance to
Eh. With the Brachy armor, the more melee focused gunlances can put it work, regardless.
Theres a pc mod on nexusmods that increases shell lvl to 7 for all gunlances. If you're a person looking for the best damage between long and wide, don't bother waiting for a long 7 to drop.
If you're like me and play both long and wide, you might have to wait til master rank Zorah/Kulve or maybe Alatreon
Normal 7 safi lances doing just as much damage with their slap combos and agitator 7 raw boosted wyvernstakes.
Wyvernstake- AM I A JOKE TO YOU???
You deserve more subscribers, Cao. You always give exactly the information and stats I'm looking for. Thank you so much!
I didn't notice this at first either lmao, its chaos-slayer
They really cannot balance this weapon so that no shall type is blatantly more powerful than the other.
>hey guyz! Long is the best DeePS! Wide is trash
>Safi gave us Normal 7. It's teh best Wide gunlance
>ZOMG Wide 7 is now the best Long gunlance
If we get Long 7, we are gonna come full circle. I just want the different playstyles to not feel so isolated.
The unique solution is to make 1 and only playstyle that merge everything, 5 bullets with wide damage shell and long damage charged shell, then you play the way you want.
I believe the video showed that you can also use the poke shell playstyle which is the wide playstyle, and with the raging brachy armor, pretty sure normal 7 is still up there in damage
This only happens because they made anything related to the "lance" part of gunlance a huge fucking hassle.. Having to tenderize twice, almost every monster is a walking shitzone that moves all over the place screwing up fullburst more often than not, the new stake, while amazing, also undermines any melee value since you just want to get the pew pews for the extra explosions, which also have a very stupid modifier for charged shells. So whenever a new upgrade comes we will just gravitate towards the best way to abuse the shells and wyrmstake blast with it. That being said, in this video, he's mostly using the charged shells in order to trip rathian so it's sorta like a hybrid right now between long and wide, which is a bit better than what we've had so far I guess
For someone who has never used GL, what is the difference between long, wide and normal shelling?
im a novice sheller but this whole setup looks good enough for me for fullburst too,I'm never gonna be a speedrunner so this "trash" for me is a high end option that is also flexible and fun
The gunlance looks freaking amazing
I love Brachy's weapon on both design and stats.
The best thing about this gunlance is the look.
MHW really needs more of the old weapon designs.
I think all the old monsters that weren't redeemed will be after alatreon.
@@damiennroddy so true I was glad they fixed the brachy weapon designs
@@ifbbreezh3077 right. Every single one of them
The only reason I wanna play GL is because this one looks amazing
Always great to have a meta set that doesn’t look like jumbled uncohesive junk
That glow effect on the gunlance, though... Hot!
I love wide gunlance. thrust and bang should be the optimal playstyle for a gunlance, because both aspects of the weapon are used
I'm happy for this. I've always enjoyed wide playstyle and this has so much verstility.
Wide is my favorite shelling type, so it's great to finally have access to the same level of shelling that Normal Shelling gunlance users enjoy.
Brachy gear is so sexy for GL.
Even the armor that some people are complaining. It's so easy to make builds with it.
wide GL strikes again !! if i can remember on the old games, Normal for Burst, Long for WF, and Wide for Charged, thats how it should be.
Long and Wide switched perks in this game; Long is the shotgun, Wide is the regular shell/wyvern's fire type. A very easy thing to miss.
@@diortememirp6204 yeah, but not anymore with this boy, unless capcom made a lv 7 long gunlance😂
@@facksyfiazeli2444 I mean, you're not wrong XD
Props for the cold steel 2 intro music xd
Just found my way here through rurikhan end hell yeah i dig that music
God! nearly ~300 dmg per charged shelling. This wide 7 GL is OP
When you think gunlance can't be more OP.
I want to get into gunlance but...well it all seems complicated for me, no brainer HBG user. How do i tell if the gunlance is wide or normal or long shelling?
You're my hero. As always, Great content, keep it up! Now I'm off to grind!
This looks like a dope set! Now all I need is raging Brachy, and just about every charm that isn’t effluvium resistance... should only take several years
I use both charge blade and gun lance but I dont know why but I fell in love with gunlance, ever since I switch, yeah I never new how to controll the recoil but thanks to this video you earn my sub! 😁
Ey Cao can I ask you why you use the brachy armor set? Don't you think would be better to return to a 3 zhora 2 silver los set?
Count the total number of useful skill points in both sets.
This also gives you blast boost
@@caoslayer I know but for ages people played with the 2 silver los for a reason. I wonder if it is worth losing some skills point to have the increase duration of the spike again. But I am on pc so I ll have to wait.
5:46 damn that sync tho
In my head when I saw the new gunlance I thought “Oh god...Caoslayer about to destroy some monsters now”
Were you or anybody able to check if Safi GL can obtain Wide III? That way you can have that high element poke with Wide 7 damage? Or would that not be feasible as you wouldn't be able to slot in typical wide GL decos in conjuction with typical long decos?
The damage from the pokes seem lack luster to the elemental Safi, but I guess what you're trying to point out is Raging brachy can be used as both Long/Wide.
Thoughts CaoSlayer? I'm sure everyone wants to dissect the GL God's brain...
there is no wide III
I'm a wide shelling boi myself so returning to the game and seeing a good artillery secret set and wide 7 is a blessing. Btw are the wide 7 kulve gl's comparable to raging brach?
Only kjarr water and kjarr bombers have niche where they beat lightbreak
@@caoslayer cool. Thank you for the reply. Have a great weekend
As i tend to fail my charged shells combos, gonna use this one instead :) Btw, where does the bgm come from? Seems familiar, but can’t remember...
It's the Trails of Cold Steel 2 opening
I thought it was from Xenoblade X for a sec. Is Hiroyuki Sawano the composer?
Kiseki series music...
I can't for the life of me figure out how CaoSlayer calculated 290 charge health damage (I'm assuming from Wide 7). As even in this own video, his charge shells with the Lightbreak GL deals damage in the 140s. After finally building and using the Lightbreaker myself for many hunts (getting similar numbers) and then going back to the Safi Long 6, I'm getting charge shell damage in the 180s in both hunts and the testing grounds. What am I missing in how CaoSlayer calculated the shell damage he referenced in the video?
I already told you in /r/gunlance but for anyone wondering is because I include the WSB damage.
Have you tried playing around with elemental damage like the furious rajang gl?
Great info, as usual 👍 Thanks!
Beautiful work cao, I can feel the big pp energy here
How do you know how many staggers damage is needed for a monster to fall ? (Sorry, i'm french... je suis monté etc...)
Good lord. I wasn't a big fan of world, kept playing GU and went into Rise, but shit like this makes me wanna try it again. I wish wide could do this in other games.
finally! I was waiting for the wide 7 test
It's been so long since I've been able to hop on monster hunter but damn I want that gunlance
So what's the most efficient way to play wide GL? Like the best combo to use? Normal shelling I use full burst combo, Long shelling I spam charged shots, so where does wide fit into the picture?
The standard is poke shell
But if the monster has bad enough hitzones, changes to charged shells.
I'm going to work in the thresholds
@@caoslayer gotcha 👌 thanks for the quick reply man, you're a beast!!
can't wait for Long7
See why I like wide?
Now it's the best weapon in the game!
Veeeery nice. So you suggest to slot in Focus 3?
Great info! Excited for it to drop on PC so soon!
When do u usually do charged shelling on GL wide? I'm not used too using it too much except for long GL.
I use them on legs or heads that cause knockdowns.
When the monster is down I go for a wyrmstake to the head
Mann the gunlance design is amazing
What do you think about rajang's wide 7? Rajang's gunlances are the best looking. It also has more sharpness and 15% affinity
Elemental damage is better than raw on gunlance but since you cant make good use of safi extra skill I cant see a good way to use it.
The weapon also lacks slots. The 15% affinity is no good when you can slot an expert+ plus a WE for 20% affinity
Thank you so much for this video, i love it
How u got blast attack up I got mail a and the rest b on rageing brach
Going from being arguably the worst gl type to by far the strongest. Thank you for redeeming my favorite gl type capcom
Do you have a good idea of a set for normal shelling?
Finally some love for GL
any idea why my shells do 96 dmg and yours do 101? did they nerf it by 5 dmg or smth?
NVM! figured out it was the felyne bombadier food skill
@@Toetech0 that it is!
I don't get why they'd do this. Btw I don't even main gl so biased aside, doesn't this defeat the purpose of long shell type to wide? they could have just added damage to pokes but to use a wide like a long just feels like they threw the concept of different shell types out the window and said screw it doesn't it?
Next full crit build plz, that's where wide really shines.
It might just be better to go for Art 5 at this point. Those shells are hitting for far more than optimized elemental pokes at this point.
@@AziSlays Maybe you can go for both, at least I hope so. I honestly dont want wide to become a long clone.
Just using the New brachy agitator secret you Can get 100 crit with artilary 5 easy
What would be a good chest for a crit build with r.brachys legs? Safis chest?
Try these builds
ruclips.net/video/7nlYQIP1Vzw/видео.html
I use namielle belt because the big value and flexibility.
@@caoslayer Thanks for the recommendation. Namielle Gamma belt is preatty neat for switch axe as well, didnt know about it
Just wondering if crit build for GL is any good for wide or normal because I got a build that’s (critical eye 7, agitator 7, artillery 5, guard 5, guard up, speed sharpening 3, protective polish, health boost 3, capacity boost , crit boost 3 and weakness exploit 3).
This afternoon I will grind some more reactors and start working in how much a real increase of damage gives each skill
CaoSlayer ya I was test with crit eye/ crit boost build without agitator activated in the training area, poke shell was doing a little more damage than pure charge shelling but that stagger damage is insane and what I like about what you have created is you can do both poke shell or long or mix it up in quest.
CaoSlayer I tweaked it and made a 2.0 version a more aggressive build (the one above) I dropped focus because i feel like I can still get of the charge shells when I want the difference with it on isn’t too big and I’m mostly poke shelling with this build (which still staggers a lot and makes monster stand still to get in my charged shots) plus its a full crit build and works with normal shelling with safi
@@alexzander7143 Yes, attack skills have a lower impact on your total dps than the rest of weapons. Crit boost was just a 15%.
Im farming brachy for the pants now to make the comparison
For some reason I am only able to get my charged shells to 132 damage ?
This channel is awesome. Just had to say it.
I have no idea how gunalance works and this still scares me
why charger jewel? how focus skill works in GL?
Speeds up charged shells
Am I crazy or did you show the build, but not what skills it gives you?
If I want to use as a long build is zorah set better than brachy?
Is different since you gain access to other set bonuses.
You can use pre safi builds.
The numbers of slots makes it almost equal to zorah sets before safi.
"Wide 7 can be played like long gunlance"
Only for this specific build right? I wanna take a break from the long gameplay, it gets stale after doing it since the start of the expansion lol
Consider focus a partbreaker that works on not breakable or already broken parts
So slinger capacity is not necessary to add now in GL builds?
Slinger cap is great, but never has been necesary. all boils down if you can kill the monster before WSB ends or you can't kill it even with slinger cap... that is a monster to monster case.
In this kind of builds I post, I always go for something generic, then depending the monster I swap around.
By example, the very first thing I use to cut is guard because I can keep the monster staggered in the ground or move out of the way with evade extender.
CaoSlayer Thanks man hoping for your new GL builds soon 😃
I don't know this song also know this song, what song is it?
Senkou no Yukue from Trails of Cold Steel 2
Why dont use slugger/ko jewel? I think with meele and guard. You can easily ain for head?
Shells don't do ko
Do you have any normal shelling gl build vids you can direct me to?
Take a look at /r/gunlance I never completed my build
Great!!!!, now just wait for Long 7 (Probably with Alatroen Gunlance?) ::D and I'm gonna be happy with the three level 7 shelling
Thank you for the awesome guide and may i know the bgm?
It is the opening of trails of cold steel 2
Tfw wide went from being totally inferior to long to replacing it
What is the music at start?
Does raging brachy have different armor from a regular brachy?
Yes, totally different and more powerful
CaoSlayer is brachy armor/weapons good for ice borne beginners?
very beautiful weapon... wide gunlance always was my favorite style
can you explain the Focus on the build please?
That is included in the video itself.
What did you not understood?
Long live gunlance,arigato caoslayer-san,gambatte
Brachy GL ups the GL meta alltogheter. My question is... The Brachy is better than Angrier Rajang??
My opinion? Yes. Better slots, better raw, better base sharpness.
@@SunLovinSolaire yeah, the thing its... the +affinity in rajang... is it whorth??
@@anlosjacobo1283 Doubt. Made a build in the simulator using full Brachy set and was able to fit 100% affinity (without softening) with extra Crit Boost 3, Guard 5, Health Boost 3, Guard up and Evade Extender 3.
@@rhirune thanks man. I just arrived and tested the damages. Brachy over damages Rajang by a lot, except for thunder weak monsters.
Damn, brachy made new metas xD
Thanks a lot!!😂
Anlos Jacobo It’s never been particularly hard to compensate for negative affinity. Brachy doesn’t even have negative, meanwhile making up a meaningful difference in raw can be pretty costly.
Okay so what i get from this is. When the monster is down. Poke,shell,poke,shell.
When the monster is up u poke,(charged)shell,poke(charged)shell until its toppled again. Correct
"Long is the new Wide"
"Wide is the new Long"
Fun how buffing wide shelling two times turns things around
if master kulve lets you upgrade kjarr gunlance blast to wide 7, that thing might become the greatest gunlance of all time
Okay, but when can we get a Normal style gunlance play again? I mean, I'd really like to do more than push 2 buttons in alternating fashion and have the monster constantly tripped, crazy I know. :(
I mean, Normal 7 is there. Does the best full burst, can shell poke when not full bursting.
the wide bois is baccckk!
What's the song's name?
wow, it's the Trail of steel music bgm. Okay im subscribed you channel now.😀
Happy to get wide back as a strong playstyle. Then Alatreon swoops in with a Long 7. That would be crazy.
On another note, can you get Wide 7 on Safi awakening now?
I have not tried at all.
I doubt it. would render this weapon obsolete
@@caoslayer Hopefully the awaken skill pool will be updated.
What i get from this vids
Wide 7 is the best
Plus augment shit be da boomm
real talk,
song title?
Will be venus from neptunia games
how do you get it long range
What is the song name used in the vídeo ?
Forgot the name, but it's the opening for Trails of Cold Steel 2.
How is it a tie?! Long does 152 per charged shell has a capacity of 4 and better range while wide does 145 has 3 shells and shit range.
You are missing WSB explosion that is 106 in long and 140 in wide and the fact wide charged shells do 433 stagger vs 366 a 19% more
Its so beautiful!
Great video, Cao. I also dig the song. What's its name? Thanks
It is the opening of trails on cold steel 2
@@caoslayer Cheers, mate. Keep safe.
Good music choice Cao
What for augmentations please
Two options:
Healing aug 2 and defense 1 and heal aug 1, affinity 1 and def 1
Song name?
why are you using focus on a wide gunlance?
ok i see that you are using charged shelling on the wide gunlance so focus charges it up faster. Is this the optimal playstyle? Can I use basic shelling by tapping circle?
it seems like just spamming circle circle triangle circle reload is the most consistent. Correct me if im wrong. I am new to gunlance!
Why you do 105 for Shell? ...mine Is 96 pls help
Wide 7 GL
@@caoslayer i have the same brachy gl
@@Marco-lh2dq Yeah me too, that strange
Eat for bombadier
So anyway...I started blasting.
Sweet video.
How does he have artilery 5 without zorah set ?
The new raging brachydios has it