Every Colour of TfL Roundel
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- Опубликовано: 4 май 2024
- 50 Shades of... no, wait, that doesn't work. Well anyway here are some roundels.
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Nowadays London itself is essentially a transport roundel in a roundel - a circular (M25) motorway with a railway (Elizabeth) line thru it, and in it the North & South Circular road with the Central line thru it... 🧐
And the river Thames = which is what the blue bar used to represent
I think Jago might have gone too far with his Hilariously cutting comment on the Cable-line…
He doesnt like to hang around on any subject.
I don't think he went far enough...like the cable car
He might suffer from vertigo which could prevent him going up in the world.
I like the cable car. It's a long walk to one end and the other end is in the middle of nowhere, and it's arguably utterly pointless. But there's something so very British about a completely pointless thing that cost a huge amount of money and hardly anyone uses...
I think we should cherish it. After all it knocks spots off the Angel of the North or that huge pile of dirt in the West End, because it actually does something! The London Eye is just as useless (and has a silly name), but everyone loves that, so, come on, let's appreciate the Cable Car. After all, in the absence of the Garden Bridge, it's all we've got to remember Boris for.
Yes, that was a bit much. I suspect he might get asked to go back and take it out. He won't want to get suspended.
"Browndel"
Good one, sir.
Nice ending You are colour to my roundel
Nice one
The inside of TfL's Stratford office has a collection of all active roundles on the wall, interestingly however it still has TFL-Rail logo.
Did you know that teal is undoubtedly the best colour: it's cyantifically proven?
You've missed out the pink roundel of the wonderful London Transport Museum!
A few others you missed. There is a variation of the taxi roundel for "private hire". In the past there was a generic "rail" roundel with a brown circle and blue bar or sometimes a white or silver bar with RAIL or LONDON RAIL in blue letters. There was also a rare combined trolleybus and tram roundel with a red circle and a sandy/tan bar. Of the individual lines, the Victoria Line has a variation with a red circle and dark blue bar over a grey or light blue V.
Was just about to mention the Victoria line one. I'm sure I've seen it on the overalls of maintenance crews from Northumberland Park Depot.
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT 🤣
Cycling should have a black roundel, with an air valve. Just saying.
Do not fear, Jago. If you can't think of something to say about the Cable Car, just remember this:
When it isn't running, TfL lists the Cable Car as "Suspended"... how ironic!! 😏🚠
Green Line coach services were only operated by LT until 1970 when the Country Area buses and coaches were transferred to London Country Bus Services, a newly created subsidiary of the National Bus Company. They used a sort of roundel for a couple of years until NBC introduced its own corporate identity and their double-N logo was introduced. LCBS was split into 4 companies in 1986 in preparation for privatisation.
Wittenbergplatz roundel - classic design but being a genuine LT made roundel for a non LT station makes it unique
When I first started watching this channel, I thought there must be a finite limit to how many videos that could be made about the underground. But apparently not!
There is, but it'll probably take longer than any of our lifetimes to reach it.
Thanks again, Jago! ❤
Same here, Paul! But here we are still watching videos. 🥂
When Jago's channel first popped into my YT queue he had about 6,000 subscribers, which I think was July 2019, (I may be off on the year, but I'm sure it was July and pre-pandemic), and he was gaining subscribers so fast that his 5,000 subscriber special wasn't released until after his subscriber base had already blown past 10,000.
Normally I binge channels and then a bit worn out/exhausted the video supply. With Jago I haven’t binged or wanted to, but I’m getting more interested in things I didn’t know I didn’t know.
There’s loads of stations he hasn’t covered (yet)
I remember some years ago (probably last millennium) the lost property office of London Transport used the red roundel with a conspicuously missing bar on posters around the system to advertise its service with the headline "Lost something?" Below that were some information and the instructions "Give us a ring or drop us a line."
I don't mind special roundels, the like of poppies on Tower Hill when they had all those poppies in the moat. The adverts such as Burberry Street I find Naff. Each to their own, though.
Agreed on both counts.
I must invest in a colour television 📺.
Remind me what the light grey roundal represents.
"For those watching in black and white, the pink is behind the green" Ted Lowe. Snooker commentary but appropriate here I think.
The red and yellow London Buses roundel at 2:15 is the roundel of London Buses Limited, which was the bus operating subsidiary of London Regional Transport (LRT) and was established in 1985 - at the same time London Underground Limited was established as LRT's subsidiary to operate the Tube.
And in my opinion the best London Buses roundel.
When Sydney was building its underground city railway in the 1920s and 1930s, they decided to copy London's roundel and use it in the new stations. Each of the 4 stations was given a different colour - Museum has the roundel in red, St James has it in green, Town Hall has it in yellow, and Wynyard has it in blue. The roundels are still prominently displayed at Museum and St James, but there are only a few still at Town Hall and Wynyard.
Nah theres still a few at wynyard on the t1
Honestly I'm glad they moved away from the Underground style roundels, the current ones they use are really quite simple and effective.
Or maybe I'm just a jealous Canberran, who knows.
@@imya234 Ah, I must have not noticed them. Thanks for the correction, I'll update the comment
"All the knock-offs around the world" instant (expensable) summer holiday for Jago there...
The "No Smoking" roundel used on London Underground car windows
Nowadays it’s only found on the 1972 stock on the Bakerloo Line
@@jimmyedwards1639 My neighbours gateposts have "no parking" in similar style, dont know if that was a touristy shop or LT muesum thing
in graphic design we’d call it a ‘logo system’ and it was something very on trend to shoot for in the mid-2010s, and i suspect that was part of why so many logos went so modernist and simplistic and flat
Little notes are the Routemaster original bonnets have a front bump in them for a plastic semi clear LT roundel , there is the ornamated roundel for LT road services inspectors caps and so on.
I enjoyed your round-up of the roundels.
Tramlink did have a different roundel, similar to how its a white roundel on a red background on a bus. It is a white roundel on a green background. Possibly the shortest roundel ever used as it was only used for 3 years (2000 - 2003). If you need a pic of one these let me know.
It is probably recognised world wide - like Coca-Cola or Nike. I would argue it IS a design classic ...even if it had to evolve from discs diamonds and wheels. It is one of those familiar shapes that makes London, London.
The variants on the front of RF buses and the radiators of RT buses were always a nice touch.
Yes, the RFs had the roundel standing proud of the bodywork, with the top half hinged as a cover for the radiator filler. The effect was spoiled on the Green Line RFs when they were modernised, leaving just a hinged semi-circular cover, with a roundel decal below.
London Transport used to run the bus network in the Home Counties - but these were transferred to National Bus Co at some point. These had a green livery. Green Line express buses were a carry-over from that time. What you have missed are the Green Line stops that weren’t combined with local stops - and request stops (you had to put out your hand or ring the bell for the bus to stop). And there were the combination of stops which were request for Green Line but compulsory for buses - or request for both - and so on. Request stops generally reversed out the colour scheme for compulsory stops. You don’t see request stops any more.
The Roundels are such a unique invention and such lovely designs over the years.
The Southern Target logo making a sneaky appearance at the end. That was appreciated.
Any idea which station that was?
@@englishciderlover7347
Unfortunately not. I don't get south of the river much these days but I now need to work it out. Even if it means spending a few hours studying Google Earth. I'll try to come up with the answer (hoping that a local will beat me to it)
I love that you included the southern logo at the end there, can’t believe I didn’t notice the influence of the rounder on their logo
I'm a self confessed colour-holic. Seeing the variety of colours used in the roundels in a meaningful way impresses me greatly. The commuter can
see the message on the crossbar, and the coloured circle conveys a message that doesn't require alphabetic input. All inclusive it adds to make
London a very colourful place on a bright day or a drab day.
Now whenever folk get bored with the London Eye, TfL have only to take it over, paint it red and add a blue bar across it, remembering to also dig a ditch at its base, large enough to accommodate the sticky out bits as it goes round. This would give the landmark a new lease of life as The London Bullseye, and make it indisputably the largest Roundel in Town!
Sorry Jago, my keyboard has no "O" with a bar across the middle so no roundelised name check from me...nevertheless grateful thanks for yet another superb video.
The yellow roindal on RMC 1461 dates from 1989, when this former Green Line Routemaster was one of several allocated to the new peak X15 Express from Aldgate to the new development at Becton,, a service that would meet it's demise thanks to the DLR Beckton extension.
Thank you for saying you weren't going to spend time on the many variants and temporary ones, and then showing a selection of them during your concluding section. It was nice just to see how varied they've been.
Jago, as much as I love and admire your work, I must take exception to your criticism of The Dangleway. Personally I love it. It gives a great view of London for a tiny fraction of the cost of that ferris wheel and I take a ride on it whenever I visit London.
You get a thumbs-up for "Dangleway" alone.
In Germany you can find an entire dangle-train system. Google "Wuppertalbahn"
Ahh, I remember the Green Line Coach. Used to take it on rare occasions from Aylesbury Bus Station when we didn't fancy the train.
My Mum was a clippie on the Green Line coaches during the war.
Arriva Luton and Beds still runs a Greenline service between London and Luton Airport
First ran one between London and Bracknell. That route has now been taken over by Reading Buses. They initially called it Greenline, but more recently they changed it to London Line, but still with green buses, except when they are in the depot for maintenance and they send out a regular Reading bus instead.
@@katrinabryce Arriva's limited stop 724 between Heathrow and Harlow is also branded as Greenline despite being a normal bus and not a coach
Moscow Metro tried to make something similar with 1979 design that incorporated a tunnel shape.
1:52 Fun Fact: Jago came up this concept #IYKYK
never thought I'd be so invested in a video about TFL logos and symbols, fantastic video Jago
Thank you Mr H.
Fascinating, informative and smile-inducing.
I will spend the rest of the day weeding in the garden thinking about snarky comments about the cable car.
Jago, you are the Teal to my Turquoise ;-)
Bearing in mind the new 'thing' on underground maps of lines that don't have solid colours, are there and roundels that use the same design?
If you continued that idea and used dashed lines, etc, you could expand the variety of roundels almost infinitely!
Then there's square roundels, diamond roundels, elliptical roundels... The possibilities are endless!
I'm almost certain London will have to. I'm also surprised by the lack of true yellow, but that probably lacks legibility against a white background.
@@hammerth1421 There is the Circle Line roundel already which sometimes uses blue text, I suppose as the legibility is pretty poor on it
There's a campaign for the Merseyrail network to be expanded to something on the scale of the Tube, referred to as the 'Liverpool Underground', and it uses a variant of the roundel flanked by a pair of liver birds standing back to back
There is also the "open outline" London Transport white roundel used mainly on DMS buses in the early 1970s. If you want my bedroom door has a slide transfer full size of it on it
I also remember some appearing on Routemasters before LT introduced plain white ones.
@@jimmyedwards1639 yes speaking of that on a facebook group and it was mentioned, some out of S come to mind
*BONUS!: there's a...*
🟤 Brown Roundel rarely used for 'Rail' in general,
🟣 Purple for 'Private Hire',
🟠 Orange for 'Coach Station,
...and sould be atleast 6 more coming for the new LO lines this year!
I think all the Overground lines will have the same roundel much like all the Underground lines do today.
At least. Two words, mot one.
Nearly choked laughing at your Achiampong roundel shot despair. Thank you Jago
Around and around the roundel goes and where it ends only Jago knows!
4:00 - I can't help but see a blue horseshoe in the trolley bus roundel. I do wonder if this is a nod to the horse drawn buses that came before them?
This said you learn something new every day .... and I've just learned quite a lot. Cheers Jago!
There is there is one roundel not covered here but I wouldn't be surprised if you didn't know about it, as it is pretty niche. It's a slightly darker than Elizabeth line purple roundel that goes with the Harry Potter knight bus. Even though it's not seen on screen, the film crew built a bus stop to go alongside the bus and it can be seen at the Harry Potter studio tour.
Sometimes I wonder if TFL know about it.
The London Buses roundel with the yellow bar dates from the mid 1980s (1986 is screaming out at me for some reason - might be something to do with the bus map I acquired recently, alongside the introduction of the bus districts, e.g. East London/London Forest et al) until the mid-1990s (1994 screams out here too but for a different reason - liveries and full deregulation in London is what memory is telling me).
RMC 1461 is displaying a London Buses roundel in addition to the East London emblem. From around the late 1980's until the early 1990's it operated as an X15 commuter based express service, serving limited stops between East Ham and Trafalgar Square. Sadly short lived
The O-train logo in Ottawa tried to pretend they didn't copy London's work.
I liked the choice of the pre-ending title video, that of a Southern train which has a variation of the original LU logo.
I've walked past the "This is Croydon" Borough of Culture roundel at West Croydon station many times - and never really registered that it WAS a roundel. My brain just didn't put the two things together.
I've been waiting for a video like this. I've intentionally used different TfL colors to paint my house. I've got one bathroom in River, the dining room and a stairwell in Waterloo & City, and partially Tube-themed basement in Jubilee. I used a Japanese willow color for my living room, but it's close enough to Trams.
Variation on the theme is the best wayfinding.
Where you’re going you don’t need roads…do the cable cars reach 88mph?
00:58 - has that Shoreditch "roundel" been shot at?!
Tyne and Wear Metro now has an "M" but I've always liked the old Tyne & Wear Passenger Transport Executive logo. Looks vaguely like the British Rail double-arrow with the River in the background.
Nice to see you sneaked in the Southern pastiche at the end, there. Nothing to do with London Transport and its precedents and antecedents, but you know...nice and complete.
The 'BLE' roundel was extremely hilarious to me, there's just something about it saying just 'BLE' (read by me as 'bleh') that is endlessly amusing.
The snarkiest thing I can think of for the Cable Car is that it goes up, as if the passengers are trying to get to a mountain hut. But since there's no mountain nearby, it disappointingly goes back down. "Darn, took those skis on the ride for nothing!" Come to think of it, a group of people could film a skit about it and post it on RUclips: Get on the Cable Car at one end, in full skiing gear and carrying a pair of skis over their shoulders. Then exit at the other end, very disappointed. "Well, that's not the way I wanted this to pan out!"
Approve “browndle”
Disapprove lack of “Londergroundle”
There has to be a linguistics explanation for why that sounds so good
“Periwinkle Roundel”….potential alias or nom de plume!🖌️
Fun Fact: There also is a Roundel at the Berlin Underground Station WIttenbergplatz!
The rich diversity of TfL logos could cause one to go roundel and roundel.
in the LT museum there is a brown roundal with blue bar that reads RAIL, i don't really know what this has ever really been used for though
The red circle with the gold bar used on buses was from about 1986. My first family vacation in London in that year I remember having a Central London bus routes map with that roundel.
A favourite of mine I remember seeing on the overground somewhere in North London was one with poppies on a white background around remembrance day
I'm an absolute sucker for colour-coding stuff. What can I say - it speaks to me. So I very much enjoyed this.
I'd call the Dial-a-Ride HOT PINK. I think that's the official name for the pantone (lie).
0:52 In India, many railway stations have signs like this design.
Interesting
I have a passion for Roundels and I’m a big fan of every signage that has Roundels all over London. It seems that London is the place to see these signage all over Greater London.
I was always of the understanding that the circle represents London and the blue bar the Thames.
Not sure if Shop-Linker buses had a special rounded, Red Arrows did when the XMS/MBA were new , and the LS ones I think incorporated it in the Red Arrow name.
The Roundel is an absolute classic of graphic design, so adaptable but still consistent and recognisable. It just works.
Indian train stations use a variant of the roundel (in very similar shades of red and blue) on their platforms as well. I do not know whether or not they have or need permission from TfL or any copyright/trademark holders.
I certainly remember those from when I was a kid in the early 60s (my dad's company moved him there for a couple of years and the whole family went with him) I was fascinated by the commuters hanging out of the doors of the EMUs around Bombay (now Mumbai of course) As you say it's a similar variant... the ends of the bar tend to be rounded.
Having no offices in India I think it would be very hard for TfL to enforce its IP rights there.
Not surprised; India 🇮🇳, used to be part of the British Empire, and we introduced the railway there ~ so they copied London
if there is an excess of these multi-coloured roundels, TFL should consider having some sort of shop where they could be swapped ...
I myself use these roundels in our house - a different colour for each room with the name of the room written on the crossbar. Each roundel is affixed to the entrance door. Saves confusion when finding your way around the layout
There was the short-lived 'Light Rail' roundel used on the DLR. Red circle with a light blue bar. I think that was early 90s, certainly seen pics of it on DLR trains just after the Bank branch opened.
Utah Transit Authority has a roundel featuring a blue circle with a red bar off centered with a blue bar underneath.
I remember when in Sydney I'd see roundels on the City Circle station platforms
Nice video. For me, the only major roundel which I thought was out of place was the Superloop. It made me think the vehicle was there to sell ice cream
They certainly scored a bullseye with the roundel, but if anyone offers to show you his periwinkle roundel call the (British Transport) police.Looking forward to the another another stories.
In Leeds, we have a park called Golden Acre which has maps of the park that denote bus stops with a tfl roundel. Genuinely not sure if the designer was genuinely unaware that the roundel isn't actually a generic logo for buses across the country!
Talking of roundels, Plaistow isn't sure whether it is called UNDERGROUND or UNDER (space) GROUND
at this point i wouldn’t be surprised if there was a “toilets” roundel
I did read somewhere that TfL own the copyright for that Southern logo. I don't know how true that is
5:37 Dangleway commentary on point, as usual.
Entertaining as always, Logo Hazzard!
Scored a bullseye Jago with this video on London roundels.
That topic really hit the "Bullseye" young Mr Hazzard. Well done yet again.
6:40 That Roundel isn't round! It's square! So that makes it..... a Square-el? A Squirrel?
Brilliant video sir!
I do very much enjoy this simplistic and effective branding. A strong theme but each is (mostly) distinct
I seem to remember (in the 1950s) that tram request stops had a dark (royal?) blue background with a white roundel (and dark blue on white for compulsory stops) - much like the white on red and red on white for bus request and compulsory stops - though as I was very young at the time, my memory might be playing tricks on me.
Great video👍
These might be missing ones: Air line/red arrow/Taxi private hire/Coach Station/London cycle/cycle hire.
Thanks. A really good episode! Bravo.
5:36 Jago is going to leave us all just hanging in the air for his insult, much like the cable cars will when you’re got places to be
So what did I do in the semi-unlock summer of 2020 when LNER offered £10 fares between Leeds and London? Take the 07:00 non-stop service to London and have a ride on the DLR to the cable car and have ride on it!! Which kind of says what is my perfect day out in London! I’m curious as to why you don’t like the cable car? Perhaps we need a video!
For some reason this episode tickled my fancy. I especially liked the section on the cable car. We have one in my town, too. I wonder...could it be a case of "monkey-see-monkey-do?" I'll stay tuned for future episodes. I still want to know how they got Dumbledore onto the platform. Nobody paid him a what-fer, except Harry.