After finishing watching tournaments nowadays I look forward to your review of it! Don't ever feel that you're being draggy doing an hour long monologue, i love it!
@@BenBeckmanBadminton I've never watched any of your breakdown videos and thought "this could have been shorter". As long as it's informative (your videos always are), I don't mind the length.
It's an insult to the sport and the athletes. Badminton is already fast paced sport, and often the nets battles are won by tiny margins. Badminton NEED VAR.
As a non english native speaker, I do understand you without having to put subtitles on, you're one of the few in youtube to speak with that clarity. Thank you for that, I did apreciate your natural tone, more like a conversation and I think you will continue to progress making breakdowns videos. I'm starting to wait for your videos after the tournaments are finished, I love it. enjoy your holidays with your famly
Thank you so much, I'm happy to hear you enjoy the content and can understand me clearly. So nice to hear you are eagerly waiting for my episodes following tournaments, that's so cool to me. Thanks again 😊
Hey Ben! I don't know if you remember me or not, but i have been following your videos from a year, and it has been wonderful to see how far you've come from the first video! Now, last year, i had requested a video to be made on the phenomenal career of Gao Ling, as she is the most decorated Olympian in badminton. cant wait for your take on her illustrious career! keep up the great work as always! A fellow Badminton athlete.
Hey, Yes I remember, thanks for sticking around for the journey. I have an epic list of players on my list and I will slowly work through them. They take time to do justice, especially someone as epic as Gao Ling 🙌🏻
Yes, especially after the shenanigans at the All England earlier this year... incorrect calls by the Umpire on at least 2 occasions, funnily enough both involving Ginting.
Yeah, there's been so many. Regardless of whether it's a correct or incorrect call, I think it'll just ease any doubts for the players and ease the amount of shit these kinds of situations always drag up online
The Pearly-Thinaah semis win against Iwanaga-Nakanishi was a bit of an emotional roller coaster ride...with dramatic ebb and flows throughout. It was a toss-up right till the end as to who would win, with momentum constantly switching between the two pairs. A quality match overall and a thoroughly entertaining watch. And these two pairs will meet again today in the Denmark Open quarters 🍿
- Not surprised to hear Intanon smashed a lot in the semi-final. Even with the older equipment she was smashing at 372 kph. She always had a lot of power. - Chou Tien Chen's stamina is absolutely ridiculous. Over 2X the time on court VS Christie and way out of his physical prime, yet he still played as fast as anyone. Insane. - The real reason why Vitidsarn and Naroka play such a slow style is because they have the 2 weakest smashes amongst top MS players so playing aggressively isn't viable for them. As far as max, Kodai is around the 405 range and I cannot recall Vitidsarn getting over 400 ever. Whereas people like Lee Zii Jia, Loh Kean Yew, Ginting, and Viktor hit over 450 fairly commonly. That's a big difference. - Yep, Tan Ning/Liu Sheng Shu are very strong for WD players. Strong enough for the aggro play to work. Overall great breakdown!
@@justmemes4269 generating power for smashes comes from good coordination of muscle movement rather than the strength of the muscular contractions itself IMO. Every players have their strengths and weaknesses, and I am guessing they don't find the lack of smashing power detrimental enough to focus on building it up. Their game plan and style probably remained the same since junior days anyway.
@@happywolfie1980 have you watched Ben's video about Kento Momota, he clearly mentions about the change in his style from post 2018 season to the beginning of the 2019 season, eventually finding success in his attacking style at the all England open 2019 . I thought the same can be applied here too.
I also like watching Kunlavut vs Kodai, I thought it was a bit unfair of the crowd to start booing and shouting "boring" in the early stages of the match. At least to me it looked like both players really tried to win the point, at least for most of the rallies. In the wc finals I agree that for some rallies it seemed like neither player really tried to win the point, and I also think that can be boring. But there is nothing wrong with a long and somewhat slow rally as long as both players still activly look for a way to score in my opinion.
And at the end of the day the players are not there to entertain the crowd but to play and win, no matter how and with what playstyle. The crowd is there to enjoy the game and not to be served by the players.
@@vinceee6394 I'm not sure I totally agree with that though, it's only since there are fans who want to watch the games that there can be professional players, so there definitly is some kind of symbiotic relation between the two. But I understand what you are saying, it's a competitive tournament and not an exhibition match.
Great deep dive review. On VAR I agree it is needed for net calls as a first step. Umpires cannot be expected to call fraction of a second shots/blocks accurately all the time. There was an incident in a tournament a year or so ago when a player returned a defensive shot after the shuttle had hit the floor but the umpire did not call the fault. It might even have been Christie again and it was on or near match point. TV replay clearly showed the shuttle had hit the ground so there is a case for VAR there as well.
I think the Kunlavut vs Kodai match is literally a mind game, more than just a test of physicality. Last time in China open in which Kodai won over Kunlavut because Kunlavut wasn’t fit enough and Kodai could smash 4 consecutive points in the first set. Then in Arctic open, you could see that a lot of clears and lifts from Kunlavut were really short. It was like Kunlavut telling Kodai “Try smash me then this time and you’ll see what happened” and as a result this time Kodai’s smashes can’t do anything to Kunlavut at all. I think it’s very unique to have a match like this other than a match full of smashes!
About drift, even in a perfectly closed arena with no air cond, no open doors, because of the difference of temperature between the ground and ceiling due to the huge volume, air convection will always occur, creating air flows and drift. That being said, drift can increased between the beginning of a competition, when the arena is colder (because no audience, few games played, etc) and the end of the tournament because the arena got warmer : audience, cameras, players, screens, lights and so on, all generate heat during the week.
Of course, every arena will have its own air currents and flow. It doesn't take much to manipulate a shuttle. I think the fact the crowd size dramatically increased during the week definitely had an impact here. But it wasn't that extreme that the top players couldn't easily adapt to
@@BenBeckmanBadminton My opinion is VAR would be okay for net plays with 120 fps cam at least. It could be called by referees only, like they do with hawkeye for unseen shuttles. And if they are unable to make a decision just replay the point... still better than a bad call which is a double penalty in my opinion.
You made a really good point about how this most recent incident with Chou vs. Kodai, though the call was eventually shown to be correct, negatively affected both players as well as the viewers. After seeing volleyball teams being able to challenge net touches etc. at the Paris Olympics, it made me wonder why we don’t have the same kind of thing in badminton.
I agree that the match of the Arctic Open is the WD semi-final. It was tiring just watching them play. Pearly and Thinnah were already too tired into the Final. Hope they can improve them physicality.
I actually quite enjoyed these playing conditions, thought it was one of the better ones this year (India Open was good too iirc). In faster conditions it can just come down to the toss and who gets which end at the end, unless you want to spend so much energy just playing downwards from one end. Also we saw some really nice rallies where defence actually had a chance. Also the WD SF was so much fun. WD probably the discipline that has the best work rate per player imo (that kinda showed in that one for sure)
I actually do agree, I enjoy Kodai vs Kunlavut matches. Something different to watch always keeps things interesting imo, and even if the shots they play aren’t always the crowd pleasers, the tactics are really interesting.
BWF needs to get more funding. VAR needed indeed. I don't think they have the money for it. They don't have enough money for hawk eye coverages for all courts in 500+ events atm. Prize $ are very low for 100, 300 even 500 events.
VAR can be an education tool for club players about technique, what is fair play, & good sportsmanship. At doubles meetups I am seeing arguments about obstructing the opponent's shot. Before the shuttle goes over the net to the opponent's side, the player will wave their racket in the opponent's face as a distraction, dare the opponent to swing the follow through into the player's racket. 2 times, I have seen a racket clash at the net resulting in 1 broken racket each time. I have seen a player jump towards the net like he is blocking a basketball 3-point shot. Then the player verbally mocks the opponent & insists he wins the rally. This is dangerous because after that behavior, the opponent stops showing mercy at the net. It is a shame, because I'd enjoy badminton more if certain people would focus more on improving their skills rather than taking shortcuts. (They also say faults cannot be called because there are no cameras to prove anything they did is illegal).🤦♂🤦♀
I also love Kodai vs Kunlavut matches. They have the longest rallies and make the fewest errors. People don't like it because there are a lot of younger viewers nowadays with a much shorter attention span. They like short form videos and short rallies that end quickly with a smash. They can't appreciate the build up of the game and subtle mental battles that go on between these two players. The other point is, most casual club players are doubles players. They aren't able to understand the subtlety of the physical battles and strategies that occur between Kodai vs Kunlavut matches. As a singles player, I can see the subtle strategic choices in their rallies as the game progresses, and it's very easy for casual doubles player to interpret it as boring clears. It really takes a deeper understanding of the singles game to be able to appreciate their matches, and most viewers are casual doubles players themselves, so it's no surprise that they're incapable of appreciating such subtleties.
I agree with VAR. BUT only for certain uncertainty over the net like reaching over. Not for other violations. Or else this will be used by all players to disturb opponent runs or to take a quick break. We have seen how the players use challenges for those reasons.
CTC is way fitter than many other players I beleive l, pretty suprising that a player of such caliber is finding his major success in his mid 30s and not in his so called glory days
22:54 i dont enjoy their matches 😂😂 but I really enjoy the history between Kodai and kunlavut as junior rivals coming up together . For me, more discussion and analyst of their rivalry from juniors would inform their current matches more
Thanks for the video. And the explanation for drift makes sense. But didn't hear you explain what makes the hall conditions fast and slow. I've heard the commentators talk about the drift making one side faster while the other is slow. So not sure if you mean when saying the conditions were slow. Sometimes I've heard the commentators saying the shuttles were slow. Thanks in advance
Yeah I'd say the biggest factor is definitely slower shuttles. What makes a hall play slower, I honestly don't know. That's probably why I didn't explain it. I just know some halls seem slower, which is worsened if slow shuttles are also used
@@BenBeckmanBadminton Ahh ok. Then would you have any insight on why they would use slower shuttles? But I just recalled one reason for fast and slow conditions. It's elevation. I've noticed playing in an elevated location like on a mountain in Malaysia, the shuttle flies extremely fast. Thanks for the reply. I'm so glad there's someone discussing badminton like this. Keep going 👍👍👍
@memnoch22 all I can base it on is what I heard Vittinghus and Antonsen talk about on the badminton experience where they said sometimes the tournament referees just don't have enough of the faster speed. A bit amateur but that's the reality. Altitude could certainly play a role and I think air temperature too. I can remember the Korea Open when it was held in January was notoriously slow and it's freezing in Korea then. And thank you, doing my humble best 😊
Would definitely like to see VAR (or VAU 😋) in badminton eventually. I know umpires don't make the wrong calls often, but they still do occur and ultimately, at the end of the day...we just want the CORRECT calls to be made. There are few worse things than to see injustice take place due to incompetence, basic human error, or god forbid...biasness. Especially when blatantly wrong calls are made in tight matches or during crucial points of the game. Players and fans would then be the losers/aggrieved ones when umpires make clear and obvious mistakes...e.g. players touching the net, double hits, shuttle touching a player's body, etc. To me there is no excuse for badminton to NOT adopt VAR, especially when the technology is readily available today and is not too complicated to implement. So let's use it..!!! 💪🏼
Actually i think the umpire and you are mistaken on the call against Christie. Christie wasn't protesting that he didn't cross over the net, but that he didn't touch the shuttle. If you watch carefully he stops short and pulls back and the shuttle falls on its own. After the call you can hear him protesting "no touch!" I agree that VAR should be part of the game. Doesn't make any sense not to, given our technology these days. Look at how tennis has evolved, don't even need linesmen anymore.
I think Christie said that because that's the most common fault in that situation, so he was assuming that's why he was being faulted. What he was being faulted for was having his racket cross over the net. You can hit the shuttle on your side and follow through over, but you can't have your racket cross to your opponents side for any other reason. Christie's racket did cross the net and not whilst playing a shot, so therefore, it's a fault.
The same goes for the linesmen/women. Way too many bad calls over the years. Should move towards a full hawkeye system with no need for challenges, though I think it will be harder to inplement compared to Tennis, where the speed of the shuttle is significantly faster.
@@BenBeckmanBadminton Then CTC should have celebrated to full extent. That was an obvious fault. Or you mean VAR could have helped CTC to see this fault?
@@BenBeckmanBadmintonAnd for me this kind of “invading” is ridiculous. Even when the shot is really happening, at the moment of the contact the tiny part of a racket could already be over the net - is it also a fault?
@DmitriPakhomov it wasn't that obvious, only really noticeable watching a few times in slow mo (VAR would help). I think CTC has been stung a few times himself and because he was unsure he erred on the side of cautious
Jonathan christie shouldn't have been given a free pass to The finals it's unfair that the opponent had to play 1 game more then the opponent. Bwf should have made Kodai who lost againts kunlavut play againts christie for a spot in the Finals.
The word "need" is perhaps inappropriate. Not all courts and tournaments have good cameras - would you want to increase entry fees to say 1000 USD to support technology? If cameras are present, then why not? Anyway, umpires are probably 95% correct on called net faults.
Yeah just like hawkeye isn't present at all tournaments and on all courts nor would this. In terms of cost, I wouldn't know the exact figure, however I did know that BWF were in talks with Clutch, the video analysis company, to help them create analytics for matches as well as potentially become a replacement for hawkeye. I don't know how far those talks have gone, or if they are still being had. If they are, I'm sure their tech could be extended to a VAR system for the net. Yes, umpires generally make the correct call, but I'd say linesman also get it right the vast majority of the time yet we still have hawkeye
Yes, a large percentage of that 95% of those net fault calls are obvious and easy one to call, which even my grandma could make those calls. We are talking about those borderline calls which any Umpire would have trouble calling. Furthemore, VAR isn't just for net faults but also other faults like shuttle touch head of the racket/ players clothing before going out.
Some rules should be changed to make this wonderful game to not getting bored, especially women doubles which is lasting for more than 2 hours in some matches. It is too boring that the shuttle cock never touch the ground and the players are getting so tired to hit the shuttle cock.
I actually am surprised that you think chou has a more rally based game. For me he always had a lethal attack and a very good pace in his shots and rhythm of movement. Never would take him for a passive player. His matches in the previous years, in the Olympics even and this year's tournaments prove this be true too
He does have those skills but I feel he is too passive when playing from the front, especially. He does use big rear court shots but then will try some double action at the net or play it from lower than he could. Maybe I could have worded it better, but where I feel CTC is passive is more from the front court
@@BenBeckmanBadminton I was amazed how he adapted against Alex Lanier ; almost never attacking, and completely changed his gameplay at the end of the match.
@@happywolfie1980 chou didn't have the smart attacking game before to break axelsens defence. In the past few. Years his shot quality and shot selection has Improved a lot too. You can notice this in the Thomas cup match
Hahaha....VAR issue again. At whose cost will it go too? We got to be honest and humble with ourselves; did he really not know his racket cross over the net without making contact with the shuttle? Former Danish doubles player Casten Mogensen caught the shuttle with his hand, the Malaysian players saw it, the Umpire was asleep, line judge could not see as Casten back was in that direction and best of all Casten himself did not own up! Do you need VAR also for that? What and why players today are not honest and humble, I am not implying all players are like that. Could it be the price money at stake? Could it be their association teaching them, you don't need to be honest and humble, the Umpire, service & line judges shall decide, not you. Your job is to play and win. Back in the 70's, the winning check was 1,000 English pounds for the All England. No arguments, no big screen replay, certainly no VAR needed. It was just simple honesty and humility. They were there as competitors and win with pride and honesty, that's it. 20 years before the 70's there was no prize money even, yet everyone play with the same attitude. So, the question is, human problem or prize money problem?
It’s not that simple. Not every situation is 100% certain or within the player’s knowledge. If you think everything is clear cut, you haven’t played enough badminton not at the this level. It’s not player’s job to call fault. It’s the umpire’s job.
@@AgentJ2007 Hahaha,,,,with 55 years wielding the racket and still on-going, I do say I know what I am talking about. How long have you been playing, if I may ask? What level is that? - $ level that's all. I am talking about humility and honesty, not about whose job to call fault. In our group we teach the younger players by example of leadership through honesty and humility. If a shot lands close to the line and we are not certain, we immediately accept it as in, no arguments whatsoever. No drama, no VAR needed. Simple honesty.
@@ongkimchoon7383 well, we are talking about playing at a professional international level not your local evening friendly matches. He' talking about situations like Christie's. There is no way the player could have known whether his racket had cross over to the other side of the set, not when it's by a small margin. Other situations where shuttle just brushes the player's clothing or hair. Like I said before, in these exceptional circumstances, there is no way player could definitely know whether he faulted or not.
@@AgentJ2007 Wrong. I have experience all this before and like I have said, don't know or not certain, give the benefit to the opponent. What professional level you are talking about? All the more they need to be aware of it. About international level, we had gone through that way before IBF and later BWF, so.......
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After finishing watching tournaments nowadays I look forward to your review of it! Don't ever feel that you're being draggy doing an hour long monologue, i love it!
Thank you, appreciate it. I do want to be more concise but sometimes it's just difficult
@@BenBeckmanBadminton I've never watched any of your breakdown videos and thought "this could have been shorter". As long as it's informative (your videos always are), I don't mind the length.
@abdulrafiuabdulazeez9924 well I'm very happy to hear that. Appreciate it 😊
It's an insult to the sport and the athletes. Badminton is already fast paced sport, and often the nets battles are won by tiny margins. Badminton NEED VAR.
As a non english native speaker, I do understand you without having to put subtitles on, you're one of the few in youtube to speak with that clarity. Thank you for that, I did apreciate your natural tone, more like a conversation and I think you will continue to progress making breakdowns videos. I'm starting to wait for your videos after the tournaments are finished, I love it. enjoy your holidays with your famly
Thank you so much, I'm happy to hear you enjoy the content and can understand me clearly. So nice to hear you are eagerly waiting for my episodes following tournaments, that's so cool to me. Thanks again 😊
Hey Ben!
I don't know if you remember me or not, but i have been following your videos from a year, and it has been wonderful to see how far you've come from the first video!
Now, last year, i had requested a video to be made on the phenomenal career of Gao Ling, as she is the most decorated Olympian in badminton.
cant wait for your take on her illustrious career!
keep up the great work as always!
A fellow Badminton athlete.
Hey,
Yes I remember, thanks for sticking around for the journey.
I have an epic list of players on my list and I will slowly work through them. They take time to do justice, especially someone as epic as Gao Ling 🙌🏻
Yes, especially after the shenanigans at the All England earlier this year... incorrect calls by the Umpire on at least 2 occasions, funnily enough both involving Ginting.
Yeah, there's been so many. Regardless of whether it's a correct or incorrect call, I think it'll just ease any doubts for the players and ease the amount of shit these kinds of situations always drag up online
The Pearly-Thinaah semis win against Iwanaga-Nakanishi was a bit of an emotional roller coaster ride...with dramatic ebb and flows throughout. It was a toss-up right till the end as to who would win, with momentum constantly switching between the two pairs. A quality match overall and a thoroughly entertaining watch.
And these two pairs will meet again today in the Denmark Open quarters 🍿
- Not surprised to hear Intanon smashed a lot in the semi-final. Even with the older equipment she was smashing at 372 kph. She always had a lot of power.
- Chou Tien Chen's stamina is absolutely ridiculous. Over 2X the time on court VS Christie and way out of his physical prime, yet he still played as fast as anyone. Insane.
- The real reason why Vitidsarn and Naroka play such a slow style is because they have the 2 weakest smashes amongst top MS players so playing aggressively isn't viable for them. As far as max, Kodai is around the 405 range and I cannot recall Vitidsarn getting over 400 ever. Whereas people like Lee Zii Jia, Loh Kean Yew, Ginting, and Viktor hit over 450 fairly commonly. That's a big difference.
- Yep, Tan Ning/Liu Sheng Shu are very strong for WD players. Strong enough for the aggro play to work.
Overall great breakdown!
Yes Chou is undeniable a beast in terms of fitness, probably matched by few other players on the planet!
@@happywolfie1980 Agreed.
But if Kunlavut and Kodai lift heavier weights and practice attacking multi shuttle, then this problem can be easily overcome right ??
@@justmemes4269 generating power for smashes comes from good coordination of muscle movement rather than the strength of the muscular contractions itself IMO. Every players have their strengths and weaknesses, and I am guessing they don't find the lack of smashing power detrimental enough to focus on building it up. Their game plan and style probably remained the same since junior days anyway.
@@happywolfie1980 have you watched Ben's video about Kento Momota, he clearly mentions about the change in his style from post 2018 season to the beginning of the 2019 season, eventually finding success in his attacking style at the all England open 2019 . I thought the same can be applied here too.
I also like watching Kunlavut vs Kodai, I thought it was a bit unfair of the crowd to start booing and shouting "boring" in the early stages of the match. At least to me it looked like both players really tried to win the point, at least for most of the rallies. In the wc finals I agree that for some rallies it seemed like neither player really tried to win the point, and I also think that can be boring. But there is nothing wrong with a long and somewhat slow rally as long as both players still activly look for a way to score in my opinion.
@@Hampuussy nice to know I'm not alone haha
And at the end of the day the players are not there to entertain the crowd but to play and win, no matter how and with what playstyle. The crowd is there to enjoy the game and not to be served by the players.
@@vinceee6394 I'm not sure I totally agree with that though, it's only since there are fans who want to watch the games that there can be professional players, so there definitly is some kind of symbiotic relation between the two. But I understand what you are saying, it's a competitive tournament and not an exhibition match.
Great deep dive review. On VAR I agree it is needed for net calls as a first step. Umpires cannot be expected to call fraction of a second shots/blocks accurately all the time.
There was an incident in a tournament a year or so ago when a player returned a defensive shot after the shuttle had hit the floor but the umpire did not call the fault. It might even have been Christie again and it was on or near match point. TV replay clearly showed the shuttle had hit the ground so there is a case for VAR there as well.
Great content as always! Enjoy your holidays!
Thank you 😊
I think the Kunlavut vs Kodai match is literally a mind game, more than just a test of physicality.
Last time in China open in which Kodai won over Kunlavut because Kunlavut wasn’t fit enough and Kodai could smash 4 consecutive points in the first set.
Then in Arctic open, you could see that a lot of clears and lifts from Kunlavut were really short. It was like Kunlavut telling Kodai “Try smash me then this time and you’ll see what happened” and as a result this time Kodai’s smashes can’t do anything to Kunlavut at all. I think it’s very unique to have a match like this other than a match full of smashes!
It definitely does become a mind game for sure. These 2 have faced since their early teens so know each other inside out
About drift, even in a perfectly closed arena with no air cond, no open doors,
because of the difference of temperature between the ground and ceiling due to the huge volume,
air convection will always occur, creating air flows and drift.
That being said, drift can increased between the beginning of a competition, when the arena is colder (because no audience, few games played, etc)
and the end of the tournament because the arena got warmer : audience, cameras, players, screens, lights and so on, all generate heat during the week.
Of course, every arena will have its own air currents and flow. It doesn't take much to manipulate a shuttle.
I think the fact the crowd size dramatically increased during the week definitely had an impact here. But it wasn't that extreme that the top players couldn't easily adapt to
Yeeeeeeessssssss (now let's watch the video)
Definitely wanted your point of view on this
Hahaha, well it's only my own humble opinion and I don't think it's anything a lot of other people have said before. Thanks for watching though 😊
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My opinion is VAR would be okay for net plays with 120 fps cam at least.
It could be called by referees only, like they do with hawkeye for unseen shuttles.
And if they are unable to make a decision just replay the point... still better than a bad call which is a double penalty in my opinion.
You made a really good point about how this most recent incident with Chou vs. Kodai, though the call was eventually shown to be correct, negatively affected both players as well as the viewers. After seeing volleyball teams being able to challenge net touches etc. at the Paris Olympics, it made me wonder why we don’t have the same kind of thing in badminton.
I agree with you, sir! Must apply it!
21:42 If Kunlavut and Naraoka are holding a gun to your head, blink twice
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I agree that the match of the Arctic Open is the WD semi-final. It was tiring just watching them play. Pearly and Thinnah were already too tired into the Final. Hope they can improve them physicality.
8:53 Michelle li has a new club with new coaching … happy to see this for her 🇨🇦
Great to hear 😊🙌🏻
Selena didn't retire, she repeated that on her podcast.
Ok, thanks for confirming. I haven't seen her podcast
Love these videos and your insight, just an FYI there is a reflection on the right of the video which can be a bit distracting!
Yeah I noticed that and honestly have no idea how that happened, maybe the sun shining through. But yes agree, will try and rectify that for next time
Of course!!! There are so many old judges that might be hard to see that close.
Hope to see Maya and Yuta performing soon !
I actually quite enjoyed these playing conditions, thought it was one of the better ones this year (India Open was good too iirc). In faster conditions it can just come down to the toss and who gets which end at the end, unless you want to spend so much energy just playing downwards from one end. Also we saw some really nice rallies where defence actually had a chance.
Also the WD SF was so much fun. WD probably the discipline that has the best work rate per player imo (that kinda showed in that one for sure)
I actually do agree, I enjoy Kodai vs Kunlavut matches. Something different to watch always keeps things interesting imo, and even if the shots they play aren’t always the crowd pleasers, the tactics are really interesting.
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BWF needs to get more funding. VAR needed indeed. I don't think they have the money for it. They don't have enough money for hawk eye coverages for all courts in 500+ events atm. Prize $ are very low for 100, 300 even 500 events.
VAR can be an education tool for club players about technique, what is fair play, & good sportsmanship. At doubles meetups I am seeing arguments about obstructing the opponent's shot. Before the shuttle goes over the net to the opponent's side, the player will wave their racket in the opponent's face as a distraction, dare the opponent to swing the follow through into the player's racket. 2 times, I have seen a racket clash at the net resulting in 1 broken racket each time. I have seen a player jump towards the net like he is blocking a basketball 3-point shot. Then the player verbally mocks the opponent & insists he wins the rally. This is dangerous because after that behavior, the opponent stops showing mercy at the net. It is a shame, because I'd enjoy badminton more if certain people would focus more on improving their skills rather than taking shortcuts. (They also say faults cannot be called because there are no cameras to prove anything they did is illegal).🤦♂🤦♀
I also love Kodai vs Kunlavut matches. They have the longest rallies and make the fewest errors. People don't like it because there are a lot of younger viewers nowadays with a much shorter attention span. They like short form videos and short rallies that end quickly with a smash. They can't appreciate the build up of the game and subtle mental battles that go on between these two players. The other point is, most casual club players are doubles players. They aren't able to understand the subtlety of the physical battles and strategies that occur between Kodai vs Kunlavut matches. As a singles player, I can see the subtle strategic choices in their rallies as the game progresses, and it's very easy for casual doubles player to interpret it as boring clears. It really takes a deeper understanding of the singles game to be able to appreciate their matches, and most viewers are casual doubles players themselves, so it's no surprise that they're incapable of appreciating such subtleties.
I agree with VAR. BUT only for certain uncertainty over the net like reaching over. Not for other violations. Or else this will be used by all players to disturb opponent runs or to take a quick break. We have seen how the players use challenges for those reasons.
Chou Tien Chen vs Alex Lanier is one of the best matches of the year.
That was a fantastic match, thoroughly enjoyed that one
CTC is way fitter than many other players I beleive l, pretty suprising that a player of such caliber is finding his major success in his mid 30s and not in his so called glory days
Yes, time to give VAR a try.
There were so many wrong calls in the past. Two, I think, happened to Chou T C. Yes, VAR for net should be implemented.
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A good sportsmanship player like Alexson will return an easy point to his opponent if he feels the judge or system passed a wrong call.
22:54 i dont enjoy their matches 😂😂 but I really enjoy the history between Kodai and kunlavut as junior rivals coming up together . For me, more discussion and analyst of their rivalry from juniors would inform their current matches more
Yeah that's a good idea actually, I really like that. I might look into it more. I've seen a good amount of footage from their junior battles too
@@BenBeckmanBadminton I look forward to it ! And I hope u enjoy more Kodai and Kunlavut matches 😂😂
@@muiawat 🤣🤣 will do
100 % needs var, smashes are like 3x faster than tennis. There has been so many umpire decisions that has been wrong over the years. :)
Thanks for the video. And the explanation for drift makes sense. But didn't hear you explain what makes the hall conditions fast and slow. I've heard the commentators talk about the drift making one side faster while the other is slow. So not sure if you mean when saying the conditions were slow. Sometimes I've heard the commentators saying the shuttles were slow. Thanks in advance
Yeah I'd say the biggest factor is definitely slower shuttles. What makes a hall play slower, I honestly don't know. That's probably why I didn't explain it. I just know some halls seem slower, which is worsened if slow shuttles are also used
@@BenBeckmanBadminton Ahh ok. Then would you have any insight on why they would use slower shuttles? But I just recalled one reason for fast and slow conditions. It's elevation. I've noticed playing in an elevated location like on a mountain in Malaysia, the shuttle flies extremely fast. Thanks for the reply. I'm so glad there's someone discussing badminton like this. Keep going 👍👍👍
@memnoch22 all I can base it on is what I heard Vittinghus and Antonsen talk about on the badminton experience where they said sometimes the tournament referees just don't have enough of the faster speed. A bit amateur but that's the reality. Altitude could certainly play a role and I think air temperature too. I can remember the Korea Open when it was held in January was notoriously slow and it's freezing in Korea then.
And thank you, doing my humble best 😊
@@BenBeckmanBadminton Most welcome brother. Have a good one. Chat soon 😊👍
Would definitely like to see VAR (or VAU 😋) in badminton eventually. I know umpires don't make the wrong calls often, but they still do occur and ultimately, at the end of the day...we just want the CORRECT calls to be made.
There are few worse things than to see injustice take place due to incompetence, basic human error, or god forbid...biasness. Especially when blatantly wrong calls are made in tight matches or during crucial points of the game. Players and fans would then be the losers/aggrieved ones when umpires make clear and obvious mistakes...e.g. players touching the net, double hits, shuttle touching a player's body, etc.
To me there is no excuse for badminton to NOT adopt VAR, especially when the technology is readily available today and is not too complicated to implement. So let's use it..!!! 💪🏼
Any chance that all new mxd pairs are playing next year malaysia 1000 open? :)
We'll have to see. If they are still pairs by then and their ranking is high enough then I see no reason why not
The player should be able to challenge the umpire's call.
Actually i think the umpire and you are mistaken on the call against Christie. Christie wasn't protesting that he didn't cross over the net, but that he didn't touch the shuttle. If you watch carefully he stops short and pulls back and the shuttle falls on its own. After the call you can hear him protesting "no touch!" I agree that VAR should be part of the game. Doesn't make any sense not to, given our technology these days. Look at how tennis has evolved, don't even need linesmen anymore.
I think Christie said that because that's the most common fault in that situation, so he was assuming that's why he was being faulted. What he was being faulted for was having his racket cross over the net. You can hit the shuttle on your side and follow through over, but you can't have your racket cross to your opponents side for any other reason. Christie's racket did cross the net and not whilst playing a shot, so therefore, it's a fault.
yes badminton need a VAR to challenge umpire call (especially on the net). it's been too many unjust call from umpire far too long.
VAR Implementation is long overdue...
The same goes for the linesmen/women. Way too many bad calls over the years. Should move towards a full hawkeye system with no need for challenges, though I think it will be harder to inplement compared to Tennis, where the speed of the shuttle is significantly faster.
the video should be used to review any challenge like the "fault" by Christie at the net. His racket actually did not touch the net
Yes it should be. Christie's racket didn't hit the net but it did cross the net which was why it was faulted by the umpire
BWF should implement additional challenge for net call
34:35 totally agree that this was the match of the tournament 🏟️
It was an epic
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Christie did invade with his racket into the opponent’s side. Should we change this rule first?
What would you suggest? I don't see any issue with that rule
@@BenBeckmanBadminton Then CTC should have celebrated to full extent. That was an obvious fault. Or you mean VAR could have helped CTC to see this fault?
@@BenBeckmanBadmintonAnd for me this kind of “invading” is ridiculous. Even when the shot is really happening, at the moment of the contact the tiny part of a racket could already be over the net - is it also a fault?
@DmitriPakhomov it wasn't that obvious, only really noticeable watching a few times in slow mo (VAR would help). I think CTC has been stung a few times himself and because he was unsure he erred on the side of cautious
@@BenBeckmanBadminton I guess most of the public just don’t know this rule
Jonathan christie shouldn't have been given a free pass to The finals it's unfair that the opponent had to play 1 game more then the opponent. Bwf should have made Kodai who lost againts kunlavut play againts christie for a spot in the Finals.
Lakshya played the same game against Lu gunagzu, what the hell is hapenning with him
I noticed that
I focus on ur LUFFY cups 😅.
The word "need" is perhaps inappropriate. Not all courts and tournaments have good cameras - would you want to increase entry fees to say 1000 USD to support technology? If cameras are present, then why not? Anyway, umpires are probably 95% correct on called net faults.
Yeah just like hawkeye isn't present at all tournaments and on all courts nor would this. In terms of cost, I wouldn't know the exact figure, however I did know that BWF were in talks with Clutch, the video analysis company, to help them create analytics for matches as well as potentially become a replacement for hawkeye. I don't know how far those talks have gone, or if they are still being had. If they are, I'm sure their tech could be extended to a VAR system for the net. Yes, umpires generally make the correct call, but I'd say linesman also get it right the vast majority of the time yet we still have hawkeye
Yes, a large percentage of that 95% of those net fault calls are obvious and easy one to call, which even my grandma could make those calls. We are talking about those borderline calls which any Umpire would have trouble calling. Furthemore, VAR isn't just for net faults but also other faults like shuttle touch head of the racket/ players clothing before going out.
VAR should be used for fault service call by service umpire
I think there's a different system that could be used for that to ensure accuracy
Some rules should be changed to make this wonderful game to not getting bored, especially women doubles which is lasting for more than 2 hours in some matches. It is too boring that the shuttle cock never touch the ground and the players are getting so tired to hit the shuttle cock.
I actually am surprised that you think chou has a more rally based game. For me he always had a lethal attack and a very good pace in his shots and rhythm of movement. Never would take him for a passive player. His matches in the previous years, in the Olympics even and this year's tournaments prove this be true too
He does have those skills but I feel he is too passive when playing from the front, especially. He does use big rear court shots but then will try some double action at the net or play it from lower than he could. Maybe I could have worded it better, but where I feel CTC is passive is more from the front court
@@BenBeckmanBadminton I was amazed how he adapted against Alex Lanier ; almost never attacking, and completely changed his gameplay at the end of the match.
In the past Chou's game vs Axelsen was absolutely passive, and he lost those easily. He's so exciting to watch now though!
@@happywolfie1980 chou didn't have the smart attacking game before to break axelsens defence. In the past few. Years his shot quality and shot selection has Improved a lot too. You can notice this in the Thomas cup match
I understand why some people enjoy Kunlavut-Kodai matches but sorry, they're not for me...😴💤
What is var?
Stands for Video Assistant Referee
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Perhaps in badminton it should be called VAU...for Umpire instead of Referee, obviously.
@@hunleyCFC good point
21:32 what is wrong with you dude... 😂 Love badminton but I would rather rake my yard than watch that snooze fest haha
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Hahaha....VAR issue again. At whose cost will it go too? We got to be honest and humble with ourselves; did he really not know his racket cross over the net without making contact with the shuttle? Former Danish doubles player Casten Mogensen caught the shuttle with his hand, the Malaysian players saw it, the Umpire was asleep, line judge could not see as Casten back was in that direction and best of all Casten himself did not own up! Do you need VAR also for that? What and why players today are not honest and humble, I am not implying all players are like that. Could it be the price money at stake? Could it be their association teaching them, you don't need to be honest and humble, the Umpire, service & line judges shall decide, not you. Your job is to play and win. Back in the 70's, the winning check was 1,000 English pounds for the All England. No arguments, no big screen replay, certainly no VAR needed. It was just simple honesty and humility. They were there as competitors and win with pride and honesty, that's it. 20 years before the 70's there was no prize money even, yet everyone play with the same attitude. So, the question is, human problem or prize money problem?
It’s not that simple. Not every situation is 100% certain or within the player’s knowledge. If you think everything is clear cut, you haven’t played enough badminton not at the this level. It’s not player’s job to call fault. It’s the umpire’s job.
@@AgentJ2007 Hahaha,,,,with 55 years wielding the racket and still on-going, I do say I know what I am talking about. How long have you been playing, if I may ask? What level is that? - $ level that's all. I am talking about humility and honesty, not about whose job to call fault. In our group we teach the younger players by example of leadership through honesty and humility. If a shot lands close to the line and we are not certain, we immediately accept it as in, no arguments whatsoever. No drama, no VAR needed. Simple honesty.
@@ongkimchoon7383 well, we are talking about playing at a professional international level not your local evening friendly matches. He' talking about situations like Christie's. There is no way the player could have known whether his racket had cross over to the other side of the set, not when it's by a small margin. Other situations where shuttle just brushes the player's clothing or hair. Like I said before, in these exceptional circumstances, there is no way player could definitely know whether he faulted or not.
@@AgentJ2007 Wrong. I have experience all this before and like I have said, don't know or not certain, give the benefit to the opponent. What professional level you are talking about? All the more they need to be aware of it. About international level, we had gone through that way before IBF and later BWF, so.......
@@ongkimchoon7383if it's not certain, VAR is there to make it certain and resolve the issue. What's so difficult to understand?
Worst commentator ! Indecisive and contradict oneself often !! It dragged on some 48 mins. The subtitles were hopeless !!!
For the subtitles blame YT, everything else u said that's on me 👍🏻