Guys please don't stop making these videos. I've been a musician for 20 years.....wow...and I've just started engineering 1 year ago. I have been flooding myself with as much quality info on how to be the best I can. I never understood how important the sound engineer was and how difficult a musician can make it. Please keep making quality, and the quantity will come.
The panels on the garage rails, genius,. This is similar to my set up, I 've renovated my garage for the past year and ready for sound proofing thanks for the inspiration and this video!
I have avoided using fiberglass based panels like those here and instead use Rockwool, it is not stiff like those, but does come in a role 15 1/2 inches wide, and can be easily place in 3 1/2 inch thick pine frames, then covered with cloth material front and back. They work awesome.
To harden the edges of the panels use Roman-543 or Roman-838 Adhesive. This is the stuff people use for wallpaper and is exactly the same stuff as No-Frame Edge Coating, only available at any hardware store and is 1/4 the price of No-Frame. I discovered this after buying No-Frame and comparing it to the Roman-543 I had recently used for wallpapering a room. It is identical and performs exactly the same way. It's just glue that soaks into the panels and dries hard. Hope this helps someone save some money.
good info - except (as noted below) need to cover the back panels for health reasons. that said, you gave me much to ponder as i design my first real studio. love the OUD man! i play the modern Godin version.
I've seen a lot of videos that say that exact same thing. Some people even go as far as having two layers of air, one between the insulation and the panel's cover, and the second between the insulation and the wall. Is that necessary, or is that overkill?
You just answered my question!!! Can I glue half Inch cork wall tiles ... DIRECTLY TO THE WALL?? And I believe I will have hmm create that ... INCH AIR GAP!! Right?
I did my little home studio using standard 2' X 4' acoustic ceiling tiles and gluing them to the wall in an overlapping checkerboard pattern. Works great.
Thank you for teach us excellent advices about the improve the sound in home studio you give me good ideas for build my future studio. Thank a lot my friend. Have nice day.
ouch, you might wanna use Tyvek in between the fabric and the fiberglass, that stuff is nasty and you don't wanna breathe those fiberglass particles in. Tyvek is a micro porous plastic wrap that allows the air(and sound) come through but not the fiberglass dust.
This is prolly the most concise video on frameless panels. Noe sure no air gap, but thats not always nesscerray for everyone. Yes the panels perform down to lower frequencies with an air gap but thats not always 100% nesscerray. Also the edge hardner... yeah use more than recommended. Alot more. 2 days to dry. But yes the edge hardness will depend on how heavy ya applicationof it.
Yes to Rockwool safe and sound, either doubling the depth of the panels for lower mid band absorption and keeping 1-2 inches off wall. Wondering why didn’t you cut super chunks for corners, ie 2x2 cut diagonally and stacked up to ceiling, a thin panel in a corner isn’t as effective.
Hi Varma I turned my garage into a floating room.Floating ceiling & walls.My garage is seperate from the main house.You have to build a room with in a room with the soft fibreglass battens doubled up.Your main leakage is the door you enter in and out of.
Build a simple wooden frame out of distressed and stained pine 1x3 boards to surround the panels for an attractive edge appearance and get the absorptive material away from the wall. Home Depot can cut the raw boards to length for you, then you take them home and beat the crap out of them with various instruments of death (just don't hit them so hard that they crack), then sand and stain, pre drill pilot holes, then fasten with screws (I like Deckmate star-drive coated screws for everything and they come in different colors). You can then hang these frames from the wall using hooks. I think a touch of stained wood makes for a much more professional look than putting a bunch of soft cloth covered pads all over the walls.
Omg!!! You blew me away with what you did with the ceiling! Absolutely gorgeous studio. 😱I have a question, since your studio is in the garage do you live in an area where seasons change? and if so what do you recommend for winter months as to keeping in the area warm and that won’t affect recording or quality sound?
Some of the best studios and most highly regarded studios in the world don’t have acoustic treatment at all. The best part of making music is utilizing the room s available and finding spaces to make music.
Thanks Kevin! Be on the lookout for lessons on all things recording audio! Different genres of music, a multitude of instruments and home studio situations, gear tips, mixing, and so much more! We want you to be able to easily share your musical ideas with the world.
I curious about how you isolated and dampened the garage door? I have a thin wall with a neighbor here in berlin Germany, but can’t find industrial isolation curtains. Best I can find are 7 layer hofa and they are pretty expensive and better for dampening than isolating I hear.
First off Great video really learned a lot, for sure a cheap why to make panels without any frame. Wondering if you were able to keep the panels 2 inches away from the wall with the impalers? I've typically heard that's it's best to keep the panels about 2" away from the wall.
Thank you! Yes, if you can create an air gap behind the panels, there effective absorption range can extend downward up to another octave below. For our room, we really did not have a build up of low frequency energy, as it's a garage and the vast majority of that portion of sound is escaping through the garage door...it's kind of a blessing and a curse being in a garage :). I do definitely highly recommend you create an air gap in your home studios that are inside of the house though. You can use something called "offset impalers" for this.
yup, that worked, thank you, btw, you have a very nice voice and that's a good thing since we are going to be listening to you over and over again when it comes time to put these together, LOL
Fiberglass emits its micro particles when exposed to high accoustic pressure and will then absorbed through your lung. Also the heavy amount of glue in this small room isn't very healthy. Using only absorbers in such a small room will end up as a dead room. (Dead end). You also should leave a living end in the room. So you also should use Helmholtz resonators and/or 1D or 2D diffusors. For an accoustic guitar i would prefer an omni (sDC or LDC) on the neck an on the accoustic hole a SDC. A royer R121 ( -> 15KHZ) is sonic for amplified guitars but lack the ability reproduce transients, especially when it comes to accoustic guitars.
So timely, I’m moving my studio into a new garage this weekend! Such great and cheap ideas that I probably wouldn’t have come up with. Stealing this space! Haha. Thank you so much.
People, you should be aware that particuls, especially in rock fiber panels, are way smaller than any fabric stitch... With long exposure you will definitely breath particules... :( You should cover the foam with extralight vapour barrier before putting some fabric :)
@@kristianlund1293 seconded. The bleeting adds some nice ambiance to the projects I work on. Although, I've been getting less work since I installed them for some reason.
great video but i have a question for you.I notice you and most people only have speakers up or sign about 3 feet on guitar or standing up,I have a clavinova piano with speakers and the base coming out from the bottom in a 9 X 11 room with a window and a door of course so the question is. should I put panels as base traps angled from the floor up? yamaha clavinova if you want to check it out so you can get and idea.thank you
Great advice... have a question for you. I wish to make a vocal booth for doing voiceovers....no music. Space is 4ft x 8ft by height 6.5 ft. Is that ok. Does acoustic form work?
Taking out the extra sound that is the reverberation would reduce the volume level. If you then bring the volume of that sound up to match the first recording, they'll be just as loud, but the second will be much clearer and have better bass. From the point of view of recording, that's ultimately the difference that matters.
He's wearing a clip on mic....it doesn't matter how far he is from the camera. His room is probably super reflective, but since you're getting a close up sound from a clip on mic and not the sound from the camera mic, he is capturing much less reverberation and unwanted frequencies, which I think also makes the difference less noticeable. I hope you agree that the acoustic guitar comparison shows a much clearer difference, since he was using a condenser (360 degree sound) microphone as opposed to his clip on mic (uni-directional)
My music room is a bonus room...knee walls, angled ceiling, 2 nooks for windows...ALL KINDS OF ANGLES! What do you recommend? How would I angle these panels and treat all these angles in a logical way?
Question: what is the purpose of the edge hardening resin? Is it completely necessary? ETA - I think I get it now ... derp. I see this is mounted without the typical wood frame I've seen in most sound panel videos. That's why. Looks quite a bit easier than the wood frame route! I like it.
Ok, cool...yes it is so that you can create a nice sharp looking corner, with minimal effort and without sacrificing too much of the panel's absorptive properties.
Bro I’m looking at all the comments and you never respond to the resin. You tell us to use water based polyurethane resin but cant tell us which brand to use
Nice set up turned out really good. One question though my Mic picks up white abit of white noise even with the recording volume quite low does that mean I need to do something like this to minimize the white noise?
Thanks! Sounds like you're experiencing the noise floor of your equipment being loud -- every piece of audio equipment essentially has a noise floor and we need to set the gain staging as correctly as possible every step of the way to lessen the noise in the final signal: The mic, the cable, the preamp, the gain setting, the audio interface (analog to digital conversion). That said, there could be acoustic sources that cause the general "white noise" in your room such as computers, amplifiers, air conditioning or heating, fans of any sort, and other noises from other rooms, etc.
maybe there is something wrong with my JBL 104 reference monitor speakers that I did not differentiate the vocal sound between the untreated and the treated room. But I do notice on other videos...
Hello, thank you for your reply! i'm having some issues finding "Water-Based Polyurethane Resin for Edge Hardening": is this paint or is it proper resin? bi-component? what's the purpose of Edge hardening? i'm using rockwool and i would like to know if you think i can wrap it with cloth without using this resin. thank you so much!!!
One of the most important things of this home studio is the mini split Hvac system. Don't skip this step if you want your room to truly sound professional! And don't go with Hitachi you will regret it.
Can we use staples instead of glue to attatch the fabric? Can we mount with industrial Velcro and maintain a long lasting effect? Is this option better/equal to rockwool without the need for a wooden frame?
Guys please don't stop making these videos. I've been a musician for 20 years.....wow...and I've just started engineering 1 year ago. I have been flooding myself with as much quality info on how to be the best I can. I never understood how important the sound engineer was and how difficult a musician can make it. Please keep making quality, and the quantity will come.
The panels on the garage rails, genius,. This is similar to my set up, I 've renovated my garage for the past year and ready for sound proofing thanks for the inspiration and this video!
I have avoided using fiberglass based panels like those here and instead use Rockwool, it is not stiff like those, but does come in a role 15 1/2 inches wide, and can be easily place in 3 1/2 inch thick pine frames, then covered with cloth material front and back. They work awesome.
To harden the edges of the panels use Roman-543 or Roman-838 Adhesive. This is the stuff people use for wallpaper and is exactly the same stuff as No-Frame Edge Coating, only available at any hardware store and is 1/4 the price of No-Frame. I discovered this after buying No-Frame and comparing it to the Roman-543 I had recently used for wallpapering a room. It is identical and performs exactly the same way. It's just glue that soaks into the panels and dries hard. Hope this helps someone save some money.
Tried this... appreciate the advice but I am going back for the poly.
@@williamchen33 I was about to pick up some of the Roman adhesive. What was your experience with it? Are you using a poly resin?
good info - except (as noted below) need to cover the back panels for health reasons. that said, you gave me much to ponder as i design my first real studio. love the OUD man! i play the modern Godin version.
Thanks i built my ceiling clouds using this video as a guide. They turned out great.
It's highly recommended that you place these panels around 1 inch from the wall. The air gap is very important.
I've seen a lot of videos that say that exact same thing. Some people even go as far as having two layers of air, one between the insulation and the panel's cover, and the second between the insulation and the wall. Is that necessary, or is that overkill?
You just answered my question!!! Can I glue half Inch cork wall tiles ... DIRECTLY TO THE WALL?? And I believe I will have hmm create that ... INCH AIR GAP!! Right?
@@dumpeeplarfunny Depends on your wallet and how "Professional" you want your studio to sound.
@Brian B So in order to absorb a 30Hz frequency, meaning about 12 meters in length, I have to leave a 3 meters air gap?! :))))
@@dumpeeplarfunny no its importent
Great gluing technique, gluing just the side corners and not the middle of the front panel. The results speak for themselves. It sounds fantastic.
Thank you!
Jeff Beck What type of resin you used like brand
I would suggest using Roxul, its way better than fiberglass. Also the tyvek suggestion is solid.
I did my little home studio using standard 2' X 4' acoustic ceiling tiles and gluing them to the wall in an overlapping checkerboard pattern. Works great.
I've always wanted to built panels like this. Thanks for giving me some more motivation to finally do it.
how did it go
Thank you for teach us excellent advices about the improve the sound in home studio you give me good ideas for build my future studio. Thank a lot my friend. Have nice day.
Absolutely love this! Planning on treating my room and this is a HUGE help. Liked and subscribed!
DITTO!!!
Great video! Thanks for the tips! so excited for arrival of my Music computing Naru station!
ouch, you might wanna use Tyvek in between the fabric and the fiberglass, that stuff is nasty and you don't wanna breathe those fiberglass particles in. Tyvek is a micro porous plastic wrap that allows the air(and sound) come through but not the fiberglass dust.
This is a great extra mile on these panels, thanks for sharing!
You are very welcome :)
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What kind of Tyvek should be used, can you explain further?
The vapor barrier/house wrap one
Super osm.. Am going to do the the same treatment to my studio as well.. Tq
Guys keep making videos like this we really need them and thank you a lot.
looks great dude!
Good jop pro 🔥 is perfect Thank you. You benefited from this video
Superb video. This is what is good about RUclips! Awesome job.
Thank you! We're glad to help the recording community improve their sounds!
This is prolly the most concise video on frameless panels. Noe sure no air gap, but thats not always nesscerray for everyone. Yes the panels perform down to lower frequencies with an air gap but thats not always 100% nesscerray. Also the edge hardner... yeah use more than recommended. Alot more. 2 days to dry. But yes the edge hardness will depend on how heavy ya applicationof it.
Yes to Rockwool safe and sound, either doubling the depth of the panels for lower mid band absorption and keeping 1-2 inches off wall. Wondering why didn’t you cut super chunks for corners, ie 2x2 cut diagonally and stacked up to ceiling, a thin panel in a corner isn’t as effective.
Recordeo is really awesome. I have learned new tips and I need help regarding how to make a sound proof room for practicing drums.
It sure did sound great, that is for sure.
Hi Varma I turned my garage into a floating room.Floating ceiling & walls.My garage is seperate from the main house.You have to build a room with in a room with the soft fibreglass battens doubled up.Your main leakage is the door you enter in and out of.
BEST VIDEO AND I’ve watched dozens
Thank you!!
Good shit man. Good shit.
Good to see my shed outside has the right insulation.
This is amazing man! Kudos!!
Build a simple wooden frame out of distressed and stained pine 1x3 boards to surround the panels for an attractive edge appearance and get the absorptive material away from the wall. Home Depot can cut the raw boards to length for you, then you take them home and beat the crap out of them with various instruments of death (just don't hit them so hard that they crack), then sand and stain, pre drill pilot holes, then fasten with screws (I like Deckmate star-drive coated screws for everything and they come in different colors). You can then hang these frames from the wall using hooks. I think a touch of stained wood makes for a much more professional look than putting a bunch of soft cloth covered pads all over the walls.
Omg!!! You blew me away with what you did with the ceiling! Absolutely gorgeous studio. 😱I have a question, since your studio is in the garage do you live in an area where seasons change? and if so what do you recommend for winter months as to keeping in the area warm and that won’t affect recording or quality sound?
Watch at 1.5 speed
Now that's efficient use of time! :)
will that help my recording sound even more amazing?
thank you
I tried out 2 speed, then went back to Normal after a couple minutes. Sounds like that man's talking slow-mo.
I do that with almost any video.. people are slow..
Thx so much for useful video and help me in home-studio building model and others
dude you need more subscribers .... this is priceless ... Also I like the fact that you have an Oud ( I wonder if you play it, Cause I do)
What sound isolation did you put on the garage door? Thanks for this you've made my day less stressful!!!
Awesome job!
Thank you very much for this video. You just got a new subscriber.
the best guide, without carpentry skills.thanks!
Thank you for the information man!
Excelente Víctor! Gracias
*That is a great idea. I will apply these to my studio*
Great reference showing here!!!
One subscriber for that hard work.
Amazing bro
Some of the best studios and most highly regarded studios in the world don’t have acoustic treatment at all. The best part of making music is utilizing the room s available and finding spaces to make music.
You do such a great job with Drumeo I love the idea of Recordeo! What else can we look forward to on this channel/your website?
Thanks Kevin! Be on the lookout for lessons on all things recording audio! Different genres of music, a multitude of instruments and home studio situations, gear tips, mixing, and so much more! We want you to be able to easily share your musical ideas with the world.
hi brother. i am in india tamilnadu. very usefull your video. thanks bro. thankyou
I curious about how you isolated and dampened the garage door? I have a thin wall with a neighbor here in berlin Germany, but can’t find industrial isolation curtains. Best I can find are 7 layer hofa and they are pretty expensive and better for dampening than isolating I hear.
Did you remember to offset the spacing on the parallel wall?
Can u pls mention the link to buy the pannels?
awesome video
Awesome Video dude !!
Thanks!
really great work
Thank you!
First off Great video really learned a lot, for sure a cheap why to make panels without any frame. Wondering if you were able to keep the panels 2 inches away from the wall with the impalers? I've typically heard that's it's best to keep the panels about 2" away from the wall.
Thank you! Yes, if you can create an air gap behind the panels, there effective absorption range can extend downward up to another octave below. For our room, we really did not have a build up of low frequency energy, as it's a garage and the vast majority of that portion of sound is escaping through the garage door...it's kind of a blessing and a curse being in a garage :). I do definitely highly recommend you create an air gap in your home studios that are inside of the house though. You can use something called "offset impalers" for this.
Thank you for this information! My son is going to use your technique for his Eagle Scout Project for the VFW.
No worries, thank you!
any way I could some pics of the finished product?
Other than what's in the video, no, sorry! You could hit the video quality to 4K, full screen, and pause at different spots :)
yup, that worked, thank you, btw, you have a very nice voice and that's a good thing since we are going to be listening to you over and over again when it comes time to put these together, LOL
Haha, thank you!
Fiberglass emits its micro particles when exposed to high accoustic pressure and will then absorbed through your lung. Also the heavy amount of glue in this small room isn't very healthy. Using only absorbers in such a small room will end up as a dead room. (Dead end). You also should leave a living end in the room. So you also should use Helmholtz resonators and/or 1D or 2D diffusors. For an accoustic guitar i would prefer an omni (sDC or LDC) on the neck an on the accoustic hole a SDC. A royer R121 ( -> 15KHZ) is sonic for amplified guitars but lack the ability reproduce transients, especially when it comes to accoustic guitars.
Hi what’s fabric did you use for panels please ?
No idea where you got that edge hardening resin from- but I cannot find anything close to what it looks like
So timely, I’m moving my studio into a new garage this weekend! Such great and cheap ideas that I probably wouldn’t have come up with. Stealing this space! Haha. Thank you so much.
Awesome, thank you!
Great job!
People, you should be aware that particuls, especially in rock fiber panels, are way smaller than any fabric stitch... With long exposure you will definitely breath particules... :(
You should cover the foam with extralight vapour barrier before putting some fabric :)
Nice tips. If folks do the DIY option with the glue, I would recommend do that in a well ventilated area.
Haha, yes! Thanks!
Unless you like sniffing glue of course ;) Don't recommend it....
Hi, what did you use to treat the floor ? I imagine, there was a concrete floor before treatment...
What kind of fabric is it? Thank you in advance!
I use greenwool for my studio... I think it's safer than fiberglass
I just tape live sheep to my wall. I feel it's more organic and safe than green wool
@@kristianlund1293 seconded. The bleeting adds some nice ambiance to the projects I work on. Although, I've been getting less work since I installed them for some reason.
@@kristianlund1293
I don't know...
Sounds like a baaaa...d idea.
Beautiful oud in the background
Thank you! Love that thing.
lets just hope you never accidentally open your garage one day!
great video but i have a question for you.I notice you and most people only have speakers up or sign about 3 feet on guitar or standing up,I have a clavinova piano with speakers and the base coming out from the bottom in a 9 X 11 room with a window and a door of course so the question is. should I put panels as base traps angled from the floor up? yamaha clavinova if you want to check it out so you can get and idea.thank you
Would I notice a difference without the fabric covering? Before I get my hands on the fabrics to cover it? And can I place them horizontally?
bass response is gonna shake the shit out of that metal bar on the metal garage door opener and you'll get ringing
Not as easy as shown in video to transform any place to such an awsm studio.... Great buddy
Super Amazing insight and knowledge. Thanks !!!
Thank you!
Great content !! Nice tricks ! Big like and subbed bro !
you can also use towels.. they work great.
very happy to see you doing this new tutorial channel!! just want to mention that i didn't hear such a big difference between the two acoustics...
I'm with you man , I used both my ears and still couldn't tell the difference.
What kind of difference did you expect? What is your understanding of how the sound changes in an untreated in comparison to a treated room? :)
what is the fabric type we can use and wat is the density of the rockwool u used?
OMG. Thanks a lot. Maria Mizia from Brazil
Great advice... have a question for you. I wish to make a vocal booth for doing voiceovers....no music. Space is 4ft x 8ft by height 6.5 ft. Is that ok. Does acoustic form work?
What are those white panels you've lined your roll-up garage door with? Do they do a little soundproofing and also climate insulation?
Awesome insights!
The before and after early in the video, he's louder and closer in the after. Not a true A/B comparison.
Taking out the extra sound that is the reverberation would reduce the volume level. If you then bring the volume of that sound up to match the first recording, they'll be just as loud, but the second will be much clearer and have better bass. From the point of view of recording, that's ultimately the difference that matters.
@@dumpeeplarfunny Well said!
He's wearing a clip on mic....it doesn't matter how far he is from the camera. His room is probably super reflective, but since you're getting a close up sound from a clip on mic and not the sound from the camera mic, he is capturing much less reverberation and unwanted frequencies, which I think also makes the difference less noticeable. I hope you agree that the acoustic guitar comparison shows a much clearer difference, since he was using a condenser (360 degree sound) microphone as opposed to his clip on mic (uni-directional)
I like this method, I don't even need to build a timber frame!
Where did you get the duct board and what's the price per box?
Your video was very helpful thank you for sharing your awesome video
My music room is a bonus room...knee walls, angled ceiling, 2 nooks for windows...ALL KINDS OF ANGLES! What do you recommend? How would I angle these panels and treat all these angles in a logical way?
Thanks for the inspiration!
I love your oud!
Question: what is the purpose of the edge hardening resin? Is it completely necessary? ETA - I think I get it now ... derp. I see this is mounted without the typical wood frame I've seen in most sound panel videos. That's why. Looks quite a bit easier than the wood frame route! I like it.
Ok, cool...yes it is so that you can create a nice sharp looking corner, with minimal effort and without sacrificing too much of the panel's absorptive properties.
What is the resin/ hardening agent called?
Thanks!
Bro I’m looking at all the comments and you never respond to the resin. You tell us to use water based polyurethane resin but cant tell us which brand to use
Awesome!
Nice set up turned out really good. One question though my Mic picks up white abit of white noise even with the recording volume quite low does that mean I need to do something like this to minimize the white noise?
Thanks! Sounds like you're experiencing the noise floor of your equipment being loud -- every piece of audio equipment essentially has a noise floor and we need to set the gain staging as correctly as possible every step of the way to lessen the noise in the final signal: The mic, the cable, the preamp, the gain setting, the audio interface (analog to digital conversion). That said, there could be acoustic sources that cause the general "white noise" in your room such as computers, amplifiers, air conditioning or heating, fans of any sort, and other noises from other rooms, etc.
Really awesome!! Thanks!!!
Bro I much appreciated your great video, personally but...I wish it was a bit detailed. Those metal bars at ceiling for instance...and so on.
The before and after is crazy
HI! What exact kind of glue do you use? Thank you!
Amazing work bro
You are great maaan!
what resin did he use?????? just bought panels & cloth, can't find what he used in the video
Cool, thx for the tips man.
You're very welcome!
maybe there is something wrong with my JBL 104 reference monitor speakers that I did not differentiate the vocal sound between the untreated and the treated room. But I do notice on other videos...
Hello, thanks for your video!!
Why did you use fiberglass and not rockwool? thanks a lot
Rockwool would be better.
Hello, thank you for your reply!
i'm having some issues finding "Water-Based Polyurethane Resin for Edge Hardening": is this paint or is it proper resin? bi-component?
what's the purpose of Edge hardening? i'm using rockwool and i would like to know if you think i can wrap it with cloth without using this resin.
thank you so much!!!
Riccardo Antonelli good luck everyone else asking the same thing but this dude wants to keep it a secret for someone
One of the most important things of this home studio is the mini split Hvac system. Don't skip this step if you want your room to truly sound professional! And don't go with Hitachi you will regret it.
Can we use staples instead of glue to attatch the fabric? Can we mount with industrial Velcro and maintain a long lasting effect? Is this option better/equal to rockwool without the need for a wooden frame?