apparently this is making the rounds on beatles twitter so let me issue a series of corrections: 1. this is just a silly little video i wanted to make about something i found really interesting. it is in no way a historical record it's just a funny little video. i am mearly a jester. also i have dysnomia so some of the dates are fudged but the heart of the video still stands so please leave your straw man arguments at the door! i did a six part podcast series on the beatles and have nothing but love for them and mclennon stans so no need to feel defensive yall i support you in your endeavours 2. the beatles went to hamburg, not berlin - it says hamburg in my notes but again my brain has a hard time retrieving the correct words to speak out loud because im a member of #dysnomianation 3. similarly, it was DENNIS WILSON of the Beach Boys who introduced everyone to Charles Manson, not George Harrison. George was friends with Eric Clapton tho who is a shitbag so 4. pete bests mom said the beatles fired him for being too handsome, the beatles said it was because he was bad at drums! i was just joking about the first rumour because the idea that pete best being fired for being too handsome is fucking hilarious to me! like, what would that conversation even be like? this is not a history channel it's all purely entertainment 5. white artists stole rock and pop from black artists and popularized it. im not #cancelling the beatles but this is a truth! 6. the cynthia lennon quote “John never looked at anyone the way he looked at Paul” is FAKE it’s from deviantart lol thanks to the person who alerted me to this 7. this is just the tip of the mclennon iceberg so if you wanna know more do your own research
Jesus Christ, leave my girl alone, Twitter! Akysz! Let us have fun! Carley, please, don't let it get to you, people take themselves and their faves too seriously. It's a great video and everyone can do their own deep research after watching it (and if this research is typing mclennon ao3 into Google then khem khem LET IT BE) ❤
thank you for the corrections ❤️ i think most people just automatically feel defensive about this particular sort of interest because a big part of fandom spaces likes to call us weirdos lmao. but i think you're one of us and everyone can make a number of mistakes trying to recall something that has no straightforward record and is not contained in the same place. but if you're ever more interested there's a factchecking mclennon blog that does a great job of proving or disproving some information, and there are multiple mclennon icebergs that also provide some interesting links🙏 all on tumblr...the safe haven for the rpf minority...
@@uncarley all fair! I like that at the very least (like the very least) they have ever expressed respect for black artists that they had stolen or (to be nice) taken inspiration from, and at the time cover bands were VERY popular. So it was so weird to be taking, preforming, and even professionally recording other bands’ songs.
"Paul McCartney's not scrolling on tiktok" oh no my queen doesn't know the lore that Paul has DEFINITELY seen the McLennon compilations on youtube (before they were mostly taken down) because Ron Howard referenced Paul sending them to him 'to show what good friends he and john were' in the making of Eight Days a Week documentary. “The only request that came to me was from Paul McCartney. In a phone call he said “you know, if we’re looking at the touring years, I would just like you to view the relationship that John and I had through that lens. I’ve only begun to do this in the last few years, I’ve seen a couple of RUclips videos that fans made that just reminded me of how good friends we were." my man HAS seen McLennon vids on youtube.
If Donald Trump's rise to power and JK Rowling's descent into madness have taught us anything, it's that old celebrities with too much money are just as online as the rest of us.
But that's an assumption. I understand you thinking of it as "likely" but he never specified that it was mclennon, or that he interpreted certain fan-videos with a romantic angle. Like his quote literally was "how good friends we are" hahaha. But the internet is huge and I'm sure he has come across something, as all public figures probably do.
When I read that interview, in 2016, as a Mclennon shipper, I had to walk away from the computer. I was in shock. I was like What do you mean PAUL HAS SEEN MCLENNON VIDEOS
Also, second thought. We need to give more credit to Linda McCartney. That woman did a lot for Paul to help him through his depression after Him and John “Divorced.” (John literally came into the Beatles meeting and said he wanted a divorce and referred to Paul as an estranged fiancé in a later interview). Paul wrote Baby I’m Amazed about her and it’s one of the purest expressions of love I’ve ever heard.
There's no such song of "baby I'm amazed" ? I'm embarrassed for you that you went to all that effort to pretend you knew about something 😂 and your just making it up! There is no song! Get a life weirdo
I saw Paul McCartney in concert several years ago and he still talks about Linda as if she was the love of his life. He's married to another woman now, but he still talks and sings about Linda with such love.
@@rturney6376 weed is not a drug problem . He is still smoking it! My ex boyfriend' s grand parents had a weed plant, in Barcelona. They were more than 80 years old!
Not retroactively: Paul and John have been shipped back when it all happened. Women would write fanfics and mail them to each other. Them, right after Kirk and Spock, McCartney/Lennon is one of the founding ships of shipping. ( I don’t agree with shipping real people, but for history’s sake, I though I’d point it out. )
@@just-so-were-crystal-clear5245 I don’t have this on the top of my head, BUT I know about this since the late 80s. So way before the internet was a big thing, let alone social media.
@@just-so-were-crystal-clear5245 There is NO truth in there being fan-fics based on a physical relationship at the time 😂😂😂 The rumours began after John died when Yoko gave a series of interviews (early 80s) stating that John was "in love" with Paul. For more info I'd recommend the 'Another Kind of Mind' podcast. They did a series of episodes on Paul and Yoko's relationship.
@thewrongcrowd6311 even gay men often carry misogynistic views. Obviously how this intersects with the rest of it is different, but i dont think theyre exempt from that kind of discussion, personally. Also, i hear gay men complain about other gay men all the time and say they suck too, so 🤷🏽♀️
The bisexual conundrum of "men hot but painful to endure" and "I don't wanna make women feel objectified when they're so awesome" so you just stay single or live the chaos
@@Swordprincess777yeah...gay men will grab your boobs and think it's funny cause they're not attracted to them so you can't be mad, I've seen videos like that
when john was rushed to the hospital in 1980, the radio was playing “all my loving”, which probably means that the last thing he heard before he passed away was paul’s voice. they were reconnecting again and wanted to record music in early 1981, as john wanted to go back to england to see him and his son. paul regrets never telling john how much he loved him, and it’s so bittersweet knowing that they wanted to be together but that chance got ripped against their will.
I didn't know John survived long enough to make it to the hospital. I thought he died in the police car on the way there. Still others say he died right where he was shot, just a few minutes later. There seems to be conflicting information about this and it frustrates me. But I guess that's just what death is. Frustrating.
@ He did make it to the hospital, but was pronounced dead a few moments later due to major blood loss. I think it would’ve been such a horrible thing to people witness him dying on the crime scene, but regardless it’s true. The radio in the hospital was playing that All My Loving. John’s last words were “yes” to a nurse asking him if he was john lennon. Paul had such a mortifying reaction to the news, he wrote a letter saying he didn’t care about the beatles and that John was the only thing he cared about.
@@ncwheregirlare u sure girl? like I read some times into it and was confused by this and while I found it cute at first I remember coming to the conclusion of this version: John is shot, he runs into the building screaming "I'm shot" or something(from the new documentary) Idk if he dies there or not, because my conclusion was he being taken to the hospital and bleeding A LOT and Idk if it was when he was dragged or if he was already in the car, but I read that was the moment of him being asked his name or being asked if he was John Lennon, there are these two versions of the question. Since he was bleeding so much, when he arrived at the hospital, he was already dead. They tried to make him come back but failed to do so(because Chapman chose that kind of bullet that destroyed people inside), then the story goes on and apparently they put the song around this moment or something as a tribute. It's confusing really because there are many sources and I don't speak English as well as I can read it so sorry if I sound confusing too.
@ His last words were “yes” to a nurse. Also it depends where you’re shot, and since he was shot in the back it takes a few minutes up to hours for someone to die of blood loss, which was what happened to him. Also after John passed away the radio station started playing beatles song as a tribute for 10 hours, but i’m pretty sure that All My Loving was played unintentionally. Obviously there’s a lot of accounts on what happened or didn’t, and the lines get blurred sometimes, but from what I’ve read this is what happened.
As a 24 year old black fan of the Beatles, no, they didn’t steal black music. Unlike many white artists who covered black music without giving any recognition, the Beatles gave credit where credit was due and covered songs out of admiration. The Beatles were heavily influenced by black music and artists, and vice versa. Artists such as Fats Domino, Chuck Berry, and Little Richard were some of their idols, and they didn’t keep that a secret. When talking about the Beatles and the phenomenon that they were it’s important to recognize this aspect of their stardom, it’s one of the many things that made them different from so many other white artists back in the day. And it’s disheartening when there’s an actual case and history of a white group admiring, covering, and collaborating with black artists, just to have it written off as them “stealing” black music. Save that line for Elvis
There was also two way respect, Chuck Berry loved them enough that he got Julian Lennon to play with him live! I dont think that would've happened if he didn't like them. Also Fats Domino did Lady Madonna, which is a song Paul singled out as being influenced by him. Amazing stuff all round
@@stephaniejohnson4703 they literally were. united names and calling it marriage. like they didn't even have to be lovers to be a power couple. their love was intense as it is
The number of people from that generation who were queer but were able to just write that off as “well, it was just the 60s, jorking it with 4 of your best dude friends was totally a thing”
I don't know who told you that they fired Pete best because he was hot because that's not why 😭 it's extremely well documented that their producer George Martin demanded that they fire Pete best because he wasn't a good enough drummer to be a recording artist and he literally refused to let them record without replacing him. it had nothing to do with looks Ringo was just a better drummer lmao
I was cringing at the Berlin stuff, I'm sitting in Belrin rn wildin out bc they were in HAMBURG 😭 thats also where they met Ringo, who at the time was more successful than them! Loved the video, but some of the research is like... fingernail deep 😂 but the Beatles are such a deep topic, meaning there's never ending research one could do so I don't hold it against her
Yeah, that part is pretty cringe and ill informed. On top of what's been said, it should be said that the dynamics were off as well. After gigs the 3 others would still hang out and party together. Even Ringo would join them, before joining the band. Pete didn't have the charm, wit or outgoing personality that the band needed to become the biggest act in history. Imo, Pete is mid in every way. If Pete was so hot and such a great drummer. Tell me what tracks or bands did he play on after he was kicked out of The Beatles?
What was the point of this video, yoko claims John said he was bi but didn't get to fulfill his curiosities, he never said that, so it may be true ,it may not.. who cares? Lol u dnt think its a little disrespectful to speculate on a unalive person preferences but they're not here to respond n speak for themselves? U shouldn't be speculating on that anyway, it's micro hom×phxbia, it shouldn't matter if someone is or not n is quite frankly none of yalls business
as someone who was DEEP in the beatles fandom as a 12ish year old, i never thought i would hear the word McLennon in the light of day. so many buried memories are being uncovered rn
I think we didn’t realise our fandom was so powerful. Once I recognised someone whose blog I followed as a teenager in a liverpool club smoking area and NONE of my irl friends understood why I almost combusted.
ME TOO. The way I bonded with so many people online bc of mclennon back when I was like 13 is insane. I lowkey forgot about it, until I saw this on my recommended. I had war flashbacks lol.
Lennon-Mccartney is forever one of the most nuanced, complicated, powerful and intense relationships in music history. I've read so many books, quotes of people who knew them, interviews, etc, and I still find something new every time - that's how deep the rabbit hole is. Yoko also said to Phillip Norman that John told her he thought about having a love affair with Paul but was "deterred from it by his immovable heterosexuality" and all of them, John, Paul, even Yoko, called whatever John and Paul had a tumultuous marriage and then a bitter divorce. John always compared his relationship with Yoko to the one he had with Paul, calling them the only two partners he ever chose. They reconnected in the 70s but never had a chance to explore it properly because of John's death and I think Paul has had a hard time of coping with it ever since. For anyone who wants to know more, there is an amazing documentary on RUclips called Understanding Lennon-Mccartney and a great podcast called Another Kind of Mind. P.S. Pete Best was fired not because he was handsome but because he wasn't as good of a drummer as Ringo was. George Martin told the Beatles to get rid of him and find someone more skilled. The Paris trip was om John's 21st birthday, not Paul's. Tho John did some crazy shit on Paul's 21st birthdays too including being a dick to Paul's then gf Jane Asher (John was a dick to all Paul's partners and most of all to Linda) and beating up a guy for calling him queer (internalized homophobia much). Also, the Beatles played in Hamburg, not Berlin.
George Martin did NOT tell "... the Beatles to get rid of him and find someone more skilled." What he said to Brian Epstein was that he would "probably use a session drummer for the recordings", because he didn't think he kept a good tempo. He could care less if they kept Pete when they played Live in concerts. This comment got the Beatles worried. However, they were more or less thinking the same thing so that pushed them to get a new drummer, and the the drummer they all liked was Ringo.
1:06:36 OK, there’s an interview with Carl Perkins where he basically said that this song came to him randomly one night and he played it for Paul, and in the song it said “think of me now and then “ after Paul heard the lyrics he left the room in tears. Carl- "Paul was crying, tears were rolling down his pretty cheeks, and Linda said, 'Carl, thank you so much.' I said, 'Linda, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to make you cry.' She said, 'But he's crying, and he needed to. He hasn't been able to really break down since that happened to John.'And she put her arm around me and said, 'But how did you know?' I said, 'Know what?' She said, 'There's two people in the world that know what John Lennon said to Paul, the last thing he said to him. Me and Paul are the only two that know that, but now there's three...you know it. I said, 'Girl, you're freaking me out!'...She said the last words that John Lennon said to Paul in the hallway of the Dakota building were...he patted him on the shoulder, and said 'Think about me every now and then, old friend." Paul told Carl he believed John visited his mind.
The amazing follow-up in the same interview is that Perkins is called on his intercom, just as he is finishing telling this story, because Paul McCartney was on the phone! Perkins then says that Paul has a connection to "the spirit world."
Ugh Paul McCartney what he went through is horrible and make me feel for him. Imagine your mother up and dies with little to no explanation and then a few decades later your estranged best friend who helped you channel that grief into making the greatest pop rock band in history died being shot.
and then his beloved Linda dies from the same disease his mother died from. Linda said she didn't want to tell Paul because she knew how hard it would hit him
This video made me cry?? Grief is so complicated. I still dream about my late boyfriend like he’s alive. He was 25, and like you said, I thought he/we had so much time to work out all our confusing feelings. The beauty of creating art with someone like they did is that a part of their love will always be alive, for generations of people to come. Thank you for such a good video Carley!
I'm sorry for you loss. This video hit me hard too. My dad took his own life a little over a week ago. He struggled with mental illness his entire life, and he was emotionally abusive to me and my family. When Carley talked about thinking you have time to work things out, it really got to me. Because that's exactly what I thought, I thought there was time for us to help him get to a healthier place.
@PAN-PAN107 so sorry for your loss as well; that is so difficult. Especially since he was abusive, too. It adds another layer to your grief. His soul is at peace now, hopefully you can find peace at some point, too.
No matter if they had a more explicit romantic/sexual relationship, if anything they at least had somewhat of an intense queerplatonic relationship (a toxic one, but still) and it's still queering, and still super valid and very impactful for the history of the band. I didn't about the theories before like last week, despite being a huge Beatles fan in high school... but I believe it, it makes a lot of sense! I don't feel like it's "shipping" in the same way fans do with other artists, I feel like it's more acknowledging a very particular relationship and what it was in a time when people were very different about their sexuality
now THIS is content! can’t believe ram was mentioned without talking about the picture of the two beetles fucking on the back cover though 😭😭 great video as always!!
This!!!!!! What was that, and then Paul was like "no I didn't even thought about the implications" "and in another interview he says he knows exactly what he was doing. Paul lies a whole lot
@@fwarnes lol, I wish more people would realize this. Paul just says whatever the hell he thinks sounds good in the moment. So unreliable and full of it, has no qualms attempting to rewrite their history on a whim. Even ringo is more honest in that he usually admits when he doesn’t remember something.
comparing mclennon to larry is actually disrespectful because mclennon lore could literally be the plot of a sad gay a24 movie while larry is just two guys fan girls decided were dating because of how close they were ten years ago
There is no difference, to be honest. Both are speculation and not confirmed. Both sides have "convincing" arguments for their sides, but it is still speculative.
@@venusluv-i1v larry’s arguments is them making crazy eye contact 12 years ago and mclennon is them going in little trips together, sleeping in the same bed, close ones saying they loved each other way too much(yoko for example) and an insane amount of amazing songs written about each other
when i saw the title i clicked immediately. this topic is genuinely so interesting, the beatles as a band, concept and as people is one of my favourite things to discuss. the history of them and the culture around the beatles is just genuinely fascinating
In the immortal (literally) words of Spike from Buffy the Vampire Slayer, “The point is, they were once a real powerful group. It's not a stretch to say they pretty much ruled the world. When they broke up, everybody blamed poor Yoko. The truth is, the group broke itself up. She just happened to be there..” And he was so real for that!
MORE INFO about them because it makes me sick 👽👀 : Paul mccartney put two beetles mating on the back of the cover where he dissed John, he said "now what can be done for you? She's waiting for me" and also saying basically "you lost the best thing that happened to you" Actually there are two songs that goes exactly about this in the same album but this is rhe only one Paul said its about John, but John believes the other one too was aimed to him. - Paul collects John things and has them displayed on a wall at his house because he likes to look at them, he also has a 5,9ft picture of him and John laughing together - John had probably the hottest Paul pictures and he bought them from a photographer, he also sold them when he moved in with Yoko -the song Paul wrote in 93 about their trip to paris mentions a cafe that was later known that John also mentions the cafe in a demo when he was still alive -in the Philip norman book Yoko literally said that she discovered and heard a tape where John was MOANING Paul's name and that he said to her he tried to have something with Paul but he was a "immovable heterosexual" -Paul said recently he dreams a lot about john people also says that he sometimes talks about John in present tense - John has a song (just like starting over) where he references 3 Paul songs and in the demo mentions that he was in bed with the walrus (in glass onion john said that the walrus was Paul) -in the real love demo, John starts citing and making up a song with news from a newspaper issue where Paul and linda announce their third child, and John and in the songs says "why must we be alone" and then sobs? Saying "and now with a baby and another on the way" and ends the demo with "just call him on the phone" - paul has a CRAZY song he said its a bout john ("but from George's perspective" lmao) called "this one" where he says " did i ever hold you in my arms told you that i do (love you) I was only waiting for a better moment that didn't come" - Paul also has another song called "friends to go" that basically says "i would rather none of our friends would know, we cant talk about this until they are all dead" look it up -in the Winston o boogie interview that can be seen on lennon's official fb page John interviews himself and asks HIMSELF if he had an affair with Paul, and John answers that he thought that the rumors were about Brian, but anyways he would like to go through all that in a future book when he's older. As we know he died young. Funny thing is that Theres a whole lot more out there, and its all true.
Sorry I confused just starting over with John's song "i know I know" that's the one where he references 3 Paul's songs In just like starting over deml John also mentions that he used to hook up with someone in a motel in montauk, john and yoko had a house there so idk why would they go to a motel
-in the Philip norman book Yoko literally said that she discovered and heard a tape where John was MOANING Paul's name and that he said to her he tried to have something with Paul but he was a "immovable heterosexual" WHAT 😭
@@ihappydawnz @ihappydawnz "John’s wounded anger was more that of an ex-spouse than ex-colleague, reinforcing a suspicion in Yoko’s mind that his feelings for Paul had been far more intense than the world ever guessed. From chance remarks he had made, she gathered there had even been a moment when - on the principle that bohemians should try everything - he had contemplated an affair with Paul, but had been deterred by Paul’s immovable heterosexuality. Nor, apparently was Yoko the only one to have picked up on this. Around Apple, in her hearing, Paul would sometimes be called John’s Princess. She had also once heard a rehearsal tape with John’s voice calling out “Paul . . . Paul . . .’ in a strangely subservient, pleading way. “I knew there was something going on there,’ she remembers. “From his point of view, not from Paul’s. And he was so angry at Paul, I couldn’t help wondering what it was really about.’ “ John Lennon: The Life by Philip Norman. This quote is also from there: “Do you know why I like you?” John once asked Yoko Ono. “It’s because you look like a bloke in drag. You’re like a mate.” Yoko replied with a laugh that he must be “a closet f(slur).”
queen idk if u know this but mclennon have a yaoi straight to DVD movie about them called two of us (2000) directed by michael lindsay hogg, who directed some of their music videos iirc? it’s basically about a fictional last meeting between them in new york and features great Mclennon hits like them dancing in the park together, kissing in an elevator, and john crying on a roof ❤ it changed my life forever i must say that. also paul was asked about the movie after it came out aid he said he liked it and wished it actually happened so there’s that too i guess ⁉️
I saw Paul McCartney perform at Glastonbury festival in 2022 and he truly played 3 hours of wings songs from the vault that nobody knew the words to and had the absolute time of his life
No he didn’t? I’m literally looking at the setlist right now. He played literally like 23 Beatles songs out of a 38 song set. I’d say the ratio there is, uh, pretty solidly favorable Beatles-catered lmaooo
@@PondOfGlueare you seriously arguing with someone who was actually there? lmao you know that sometimes an artist might play songs that aren’t in the set list right?
@mariabelen3264 do you have any recs? I've been a hardcore beatles fan for years, probably most of my life lol, and I've never read any even tho I've been planning to
Unfortunately, Lindsay is a full on Jean Jacket. Having followed the Beatles since 1975, I can’t handle her “I just discovered the Beatles last week but now I’m the definitive expert” bs.
@@charlottejruthauthorElliot Roberts' channel has great videos about the Beatles, especially the one where he just fawns over the Get Back docu series 🥰
The way you passed over when Paul had a 5 year long relationship with Jane Asher (a famous actress in her own right) and even lived with her parents and when John wanted to start doing lsd with Paul (first did it with George bc Paul didn’t want to yet and John took that personally of course) Jane was jealous of John because she thought she should be the one having that kind of connection with Paul first. John was always weird and down right obsessed with Paul’s girlfriends, short and long term. It was definitely his abandonment issues playing out, but i think it’s important to note how Paul entered the 1968 period with still being with Jane, and they were engaged until Jane broke it off during summer of 68 after she caught Paul cheating. She broke up with him on national tv!!! after basically living with John for a period of time working on sgt. pepper in 67, their most experimental work by far and they made it while they were basically a couple living together. It’s giving tortured poets department for sure. So Paul and Linda would meet at Beatles events during the 66-68 period, and they finally connected proper a month or two out from Jane breaking things off officially, Paul was in his sex and drugs phase at the time so he was just bringing random girls home lol. But I think it’s important to bring up the John-Paul-Jane dynamic because I think Jane was John’s original threat of not being Paul’s special person. I think John kept Cyn fairly separated from the Beatles, plus she stayed home so it was easier for her to not be a threat to Paul like Jane was to John. But I think John’s art school friend Stu who was in the band early on as the original bassist was Paul’s Jane, his threat if you will. See, Stu did not care about music and didn’t even know how to play bass but John still wanted his bestie to be his band, which annoyed Paul. I think that was the first time for Paul someone tried to take his special attention away from John so there was an underline thing going on between the 3 of them, plus this was going on in Hamburg, Germany where they were still probably jacking off together still. That stopped when Ringo joined and Pete Best was still the drummer then. Also Ringo was an established drummer in the Liverpool rock scene at the time, he was the drummer for Rory Storm and the Hurricanes which the Beatles opened up for!!! Also also Paul was working class and John’s aunt Mimi was fairly classist towards him and didn’t like how John was hanging out with a boy that was “below” him, so they had to sneak around her and Paul’s dad who wanted Paul to get a proper job. John had beef with Paul’s dad lol. Their schools were right next to each other, and Paul went to a private all boys high school in Liverpool right after WW2 and many boys didn’t get in, you’d have to take an entrance exam and Paul was one of the 4 people in his primary school to get accepted to this prestigious private school for boys (which George also got into!!) while John was the rich kid at the public school (before art school) Talk about an A24 gay coming of age movie set in the 50s-60s waiting to happen!!! Also also also John saw this movie in the early 60s about this gay lawyer??? I’m pretty sure. just a fun tidbit. I think he may have had some early queer literature as well but Paul definitely did read up on queer literature during sgt. pepper. They weren’t clueless as to what was going on outside of beatleland. And a correction - Paris 61 was John’s 21st birthday. Paul’s 21st (June 18th 1963) was when John almost beat up local DJ Bob Wooler to death because he brought up the Spain trip he had with Brian/asked John if he was gay. This was the first Beatles scandal. George broke it up and John also got into fights with 2 other people that night. I do think John was probably bi and towards his later years was on his way to finally accept himself, he had comments on how the main reason he got violence with others because he was “scared of the fag in me, this Oscar Wilde type”. So I think his sexuality was a constant struggle/battle he had with himself and it manifested in awful ways that hurt those who he loved, and hated. (Not excusing his behavior of course, beating people up is bad) Yes I am completely normal about these 4 British men why’d you ask!!!!
@ yes! I listen to them still :) I’m glad they bring more of an academic/creditable to the idea that John may have been queer and in love with Paul, up until now the idea was treated like a joke. But now even major rolling stone journalists agree In My Life may have been for Paul; platonic or otherwise. I just wish there were others in the podcast Beatles space talking about Lennon-McCartney and just the band in general through a queer lens more tbh, there would be loads to talk about!!!
I love that demo of starting over. John sounds so wistful-he says something like my best friend has a farm i've never seen and 2 kids and another on the way. Linda was pregnant with James around that time. I wonder if Paul has ever heard it.
i’ve never ever in my life read any info about the beatles i don’t even know their names and i know like 2 of their songs but. oh my god. this comment section leaves me in a fucking shock. your comment specifically is bloody brilliant; my god i can’t imagine having SO MUCH interest love and passion for these people’s lives and personalities and music. really makes me want to introduce myself with this crazy world too
@@sapphicat4454 lol thanks, idk for me it’s called having autism and having a late uncle who’s special interest was definitely the Beatles so I just don’t know anything different I fear 🫡 definitely recommend watching/listening to the anthology though from the 2000s for more background stuff. there’s a website called Beatlesbible which is the Wikipedia for all things Beatles. I basically got a music industry degree and went to school for this kind of stuff so. If you’ll go into Beatles books definitely stick those from the inner circle or just music experts. Rob Sheffield is great. There’s a book called Tune In that’s sus. I know Pattie Boyd has a book, May Pang has a book out and a recent documentary about her time with John & Yoko, George Martin does, Paul has Many Years from Now with Barry Miles. there’s also The Lyrics which is recent. Philip Norman has separate biographies on John and Paul.
One of my Tumblr mutuals who I started following for Doctor Who stuff hard pivoted into McLennon shipping and I refuse to unfollow them but I’ve got no idea what they’re talking about so I’m very grateful for this video maybe I will understand them now ty for your service Carley 🫡
@@swiftlyaswiftie I blame the fact Doctor Who did an episode on the Beatles that hinged on Paul and John defeating the villain with the power of their music/love if you're a Mclennon shipper
the fact that this is not a fanfic is crazy to me.........like this is some ao3 plot that would get millions of reads........ it was kinda heartbreaking ngl
as someone who is fully on 60s music tumblr, mclennon is just the tip of the iceberg. just wait til you hear about the thriving community of bob dylan/george harrison, neil young/stephen stills, paul simon/art garfunkel shippers, etc. it’s pretty fun
As a 2024 Beatles fan, I do want to believe in McLennon, but as a 100% straight boy, I recognize that this is just a perfectly normal and healthy friendship that every young man has.
Paul McCartney’s Christmas song is a top 5 Christmas song. Take it back! I was not expecting to be victimized by Carley for my Christmas music taste today
I know this video isn’t about Liam but when you mentioned Liam and Zayn I started sobbing immediately because I think about the tone of Zayns remembrance post all the time and just how much regret he had in it and it’s been a hard few weeks for me and hearing this just thank you Carley
Fun fact about the Pyramus and Thisbe play! It looks like they’re putting on the Shakespeare version that is in A Midsummer Night’s Dream, where the acting troupe are meant to be silly, so one of them plays the moon and one is the wall( from what I remember)
Just to defend Ringo here. Pete Best wasn't fired for his good looks (that's what his mom was saying when the Beatles got big) he was fired because he wouldn't show up to gigs and had a hard time keeping tempo
@@uncarleymo starr and ringo loved each other too! Ringo was by her side at her death bed in the 90s when she died of cancer with her most recent husband and the kids
Carley, I have to write an essay, this is amazing. I'm over 30 and always loved watching your book content, especially! You're hilarious and I got some great recommendations from you. Now, the fact you're talking about the Beatles and McLennon of all things is unbelievable. Thing is, in around 2004 I thought I must have been the ONLY teenage Beatles fan in the world... especially since I live in Europe and the internet was quite new, no social media, no RUclips, not a lot going on there. I was OBSESSED with the Beatles. It was so much fun to collect books, CDs, magazines and to find cute pictures and interviews online. The music still plays a huge part in my life. That never changed. The fact that there is now a community of new teenage Beatles fans going wild on tiktok is crazy. Makes me believe in humanity again. All will be well in the end sort of stuff 😂 I love seeing young people re-discover all things Beatles. And watching some of the 60s craziness from a 2020's point of view is interesting, too. Long story short, thank you for sharing this fun stuff, I hope the video goes well! Loving it so far, feels nostalgic 😅
I am 37 years old and was also crazily obsessed with the Beatles around 2004. I too love seeing new, young Beatles fans in our modern age. It's so bizarre and fascinating and makes my weird little heart happy.
My mom had a ton of John Lennon books, bios, and anthologies that I read as a kid. John’s mom had him young and didn’t want to/wasn’t able to raise him. His abandonment issues with her started way before she died. She had mental health and drinking issues. So John was raised by his aunt, but he always knew his mom and she lived near by. It bothered him that she didn’t raise him. As a teen she was like an older sister, John and Paul would go listen to records, play music, and party with her. When she died Paul helped John write “Julia” about her and his complicated love and resentment towards her. Allegedly Paul was fond of her as well. The harmonies on that song are beautiful. On another note, although I’m sure Lennon wanted to impress his peers, I don’t think his deviation in artistic expression can be reduced to that alone. John was really drawn to avent garde and experimentalism in art. He got bored with the pop sound in a way Paul didn’t. I recently watched a video with a Paul McCartney video where he says he and John both liked the avent garde scene, but John liked it more. And that John was drawn to Yoko because of the freedom in her artistry. And Paul said he totally understood it.
I feel like I have been compelled by my elders to inform you that the channel tunnel (crossing from England to France) wasn't built until the 90s and WAY too expensive to hitchhike! But we did have ferrys that went over the channel instead almost all the time and were much easier to hitchhike on. Obsessed with this weird content though, you're awesome
The most covered song of all time is Yesterday by The Beatles. As much as some people might get annoyed by them or want to dismiss their fame or say they’re overhyped they were hugely influential on a lot of modern music, just as they admitted they were hugely influenced by a lot of music that came before them. They also pumped out a lot of music, with a lot of different styles and sounds, written and performed by them, in less than 10 years, that’s a monumental scale. We have so much access to so many genres of music today that I think people born in the last couple of decades truly don’t realize how groundbreaking and experimental they were because we just have lots of stuff that sounds like that and just in general so much more now, it feels inconceivable to imagine a time with less only a few decades more ago.
I'm about to build Legos so hard with this video in the background 'Thank you Queen Carley' we all say in unison, thanks for keeping us so well fed girlypop
As someone who went in extremely skeptical... Who does not buy into conspiracies ever. You've won me over. Definitely think it's more possible that they had a romantic aspect to their relationship.
jesus christ i knew virtually none of this, including paul’s song about grieving john, but even you just READING the lyrics made me sob. i will be saving listening to that song in full for a VERY rainy day. good lord. fantastic video, they were fuckin’, impossible to deny. love every one of your vids and am an avid watcher but i think this one might top the charts in at least my top three xxxx
I think a really strong contender for Carly's next shipping culture/Tumblr lore rabbit hole deep dive would be the Ryan Ross and Brendon Urie shippers of days past. That was truly an unhinged era and I think more people need to know about it. And don't forget the 500k word trilogy fanfic either
I second this, 11-16 year old me was obsessed with this band, Ryan Ross and Ryden. I stand by THROAM being well written even if I don't really like rpf anymore
He was an amazing musician and songwriter, but the poor guy couldn't get more than one song max on an album until post Beatles. I love the Beatles, but he's my favorite too. I haven't even gotten to that part of the video, haha, but agreed.
31:42, Around the Beatles was broadcasted internationally, so they included other parts of British culture into the broadcast. The way you presented it made it seem like it was a skit written for the show with Pyramus, Thisbe, a lion, and the moon. It was actually the four Beatles performing a scene from Shakespeare's Midsummer Night's Dream! It's a scene where four players perform the play, Pyramus and Thisbe. The heckling you hear at the beginning of George's moon monologue are actually the other characters from the show watching the play within the play! I had a whole class in college solely about the history of the Beatles! They did a pretty awesome job, honestly, I never expected the day I'd watch the Beatles performing Shakespeare. Highly recommend a watch! :)
I'm so excited to find another person who is interested in the Beatles and made a whole 1-hour video about McLennon content! Thank you! Recently, I've been hyperfixated on the Beatles, particularly on Mccartney, so this video has been quite a treat! You've earned yourself a subscriber.
I never clicked so fast on a video before in my life!!! I was in the Beatles fandom on Tumblr in the last 2000s/early 2010s and was DEEP in the McLennon/HarriStarr ships. It’s absolutely insane that these fandoms are still going so strong on TikTok and Instagram!
As someone who had a similar friendship and brutal “divorce” this video made me so emotional. Usually your videos make me laugh and it started off that way but ended with me crying 😭 thank you for your rants tho, A+ content love you
i genuinely knew NOTHING about the beatles before watching your video but you kept me interested the whole time. your POWERRRRR!!! no seriously thank you soo sooo much for you work, every single time you post i'm fangirling
my first youtube channel was a paul mccartney fan channel, and i was DEEP in online beatles spaces from 2008-2012. i had a couple close people to me die, and the beatles were what i turned to as a preteen/teen. my room was covered floor to ceiling in beatles memorabilia. i WAS PAUL MCCARTNEY FOR HALLOWEEN in eighth grade. it’s true that these spaces are still alive and well because at the age of 28, im still in them. im a mclennon shipper and have been since i was a teen. it was one of my first exposures to “queer” theming. like you said, the beatles are the biggest indie band in the world. there’s so much lore with them, the average beatles fan just won’t know. thank you for this, its incredibly niche but for someone like me its a joy.
this makes me honestly kinda sad, it's becoming increasingly more clear that queerness exists all around us and there's no queer/non-queer binary. i wonder how things would've turned out if we had lived in a world where their relationship (platonic otherwise) needed no labels and had no gendered expectations. it's very clear they cared deeply for one another. the irony that a lot of older beatles fans are usually these masc music nerds also isnt lost on me, and i hope maybe they see the story of john and paul and reflect on their own friendships with their male friends.
I AM A HUGE BEATLES FAN and I've often thought about John and Paul's relationship and how it influenced their music. Even though I've taken a college class on the Beatles, I did not have all this information about their relationship. Thank you so much for the deep dive and for sharing your findings with us Carly!
Got into the Beatles earlier this year, and the McLennon of it all is literally my Roman Empire. Listened to a really interesting podcast called "Another Kind of Mind" that did a huge 12-part series about the Beatles breakup through that McLennon lens, and it was fascinating -- and I think very plausible and not outlandish at all way of looking at the events that occurred. Whatever actually happened who knows, but I was certainly entertained!
If anyone wants to have a more in-depth autopsy about the Yoko Ono of it all, I highly recommend Lindsay Ellis' video titled 'Yoko and The Beatles'. She talks about the history of The Beatles, and touches further on the concept of infantilizing artistic men for the sake of blaming women for their choices (John Lennon, Kurt Cobain, etc.) RUclips version is censored for the platform.
Okay, but the reason pete best was fired was because he was a bad drummer?? George Martin (their producer) literally told the band that he would bring in a session drummer and they should fire Pete. Ringo was considered one of the best drummers in Liverpool and was highly sought after, this is pretty common knowledge, no? Also, there were a lot fans who found Ringo cute (he was hugely popular when they went to US) so I'm really confused why you said this, especially considering you made a whole podcast about the history of the band?
I know, this lady clearly hasn’t done any proper research and states “facts”/“quotes” without giving any sources. In the Beatles anthology documentary series, George and Paul confirm that Pete best was fired from the band because he was unreliable. He didn’t practice any of their material and didn’t show up to gigs/recording session. George Martin did recommend Ringo Starr and the band accepted as The band had previously worked with Ringo when he covered for Pete while the Beatles and Ringo's band were in Hamburg and was also had a reception as a competent session musician in Liverpool.
Her stating the reason the band fired Pete Best was the he was more attractive than the rest of the band, has completely discredited anything else she has to say. Listening to Pete bests and Ringo Starr's drumming side by side, Ringo is clearly the more superior, competent and tighter drummer. Ringo is playing in harmony with the band, rather than playing against the other members of the band.
51:43 John loved to purposefully miss spell certain words for comedic effect. He's even written whole books in this style here's an excerpt "I was bored on the 9th of Octover 1940 when, I believe, the Nasties were still booming us led by Madolf Heatlump (who only had one). Anyway they didn't get me. I attended to varicous schools in Liddypol. And still didn't pass -- much to my Aunties supplies."
Apparently the tape that Now and Then was recorded on had "For Paul" written on the label as well when Yoko gave it to Paul. Who knows if someone other than John wrote that or if it was even true, but we can believe
Carly!! I was literally rewatching your older videos today thinking “ugh just dying for some new uncarly content” and then this appears as I’m making dinner. When I tell you this was MADE FOR ME, like I was already wearing my John Lennon shirt. Quite simply I’m obsessed, thank you QUEEN
if this is real this is so heartbreaking. for one, maybe the idea that there was some physical connection between them, but also it creates this image of two people just lounging and spending the day doing nothing. even that feels so intimate without it being explicitly romantic
girl i'm hoping this will blow up because this is some of your BEST work! i hope it doesn't flop like you think it will, and NEVER underestimate the chokehold that niche tumblr rabbit-holes have on your viewers
it’s interesting to see how many super famous girl and boy bands end up having rumored couples within the band. you can see it over so many parts of history whether it’s the beatles, the spice girls, and one direction i think forced proximity and trauma bonding over such a unique life experience contributes so much to it.
also "oh darling" sounds like paul is saying "oh johnny" instead, and you shoul've mentioned "dear friend", paul says it's for john and the lyrics literally says "i'm in love with a friend of mine, really truly, young and newly wed" (1971, john recently married yoko)
to me it's Paul 6 years ago saying "one of my best friends was k* in gun violence right around here" while being at a march against gun violence in New York... I still think about how I went "oh!" realising who he was talking about. Also I do care a lot about McLennon thank you for this
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apparently this is making the rounds on beatles twitter so let me issue a series of corrections:
1. this is just a silly little video i wanted to make about something i found really interesting. it is in no way a historical record it's just a funny little video. i am mearly a jester. also i have dysnomia so some of the dates are fudged but the heart of the video still stands so please leave your straw man arguments at the door! i did a six part podcast series on the beatles and have nothing but love for them and mclennon stans so no need to feel defensive yall i support you in your endeavours
2. the beatles went to hamburg, not berlin - it says hamburg in my notes but again my brain has a hard time retrieving the correct words to speak out loud because im a member of #dysnomianation
3. similarly, it was DENNIS WILSON of the Beach Boys who introduced everyone to Charles Manson, not George Harrison. George was friends with Eric Clapton tho who is a shitbag so
4. pete bests mom said the beatles fired him for being too handsome, the beatles said it was because he was bad at drums! i was just joking about the first rumour because the idea that pete best being fired for being too handsome is fucking hilarious to me! like, what would that conversation even be like? this is not a history channel it's all purely entertainment
5. white artists stole rock and pop from black artists and popularized it. im not #cancelling the beatles but this is a truth!
6. the cynthia lennon quote “John never looked at anyone the way he looked at Paul” is FAKE it’s from deviantart lol thanks to the person who alerted me to this
7. this is just the tip of the mclennon iceberg so if you wanna know more do your own research
BEATLES TWITTER ???? GIRLLL GET BEHIND ME
I CAN'T BELIEVE MY FAV YTBER MADE A 1 HOUR VIDEO ABOUT MY FAVORITE TOPIC
Jesus Christ, leave my girl alone, Twitter! Akysz! Let us have fun! Carley, please, don't let it get to you, people take themselves and their faves too seriously. It's a great video and everyone can do their own deep research after watching it (and if this research is typing mclennon ao3 into Google then khem khem LET IT BE) ❤
thank you for the corrections ❤️ i think most people just automatically feel defensive about this particular sort of interest because a big part of fandom spaces likes to call us weirdos lmao. but i think you're one of us and everyone can make a number of mistakes trying to recall something that has no straightforward record and is not contained in the same place. but if you're ever more interested there's a factchecking mclennon blog that does a great job of proving or disproving some information, and there are multiple mclennon icebergs that also provide some interesting links🙏 all on tumblr...the safe haven for the rpf minority...
@@uncarley all fair! I like that at the very least (like the very least) they have ever expressed respect for black artists that they had stolen or (to be nice) taken inspiration from, and at the time cover bands were VERY popular. So it was so weird to be taking, preforming, and even professionally recording other bands’ songs.
Nothing is more powerful then the codependent homoerotic friendship you have in your teens/ 20’s that ends in a horrid painful divorce
real
reall
I feel called out
happened to my buddies simon and garfunkel
too real
"Paul McCartney's not scrolling on tiktok" oh no my queen doesn't know the lore that Paul has DEFINITELY seen the McLennon compilations on youtube (before they were mostly taken down) because Ron Howard referenced Paul sending them to him 'to show what good friends he and john were' in the making of Eight Days a Week documentary. “The only request that came to me was from Paul McCartney. In a phone call he said “you know, if we’re looking at the touring years, I would just like you to view the relationship that John and I had through that lens. I’ve only begun to do this in the last few years, I’ve seen a couple of RUclips videos that fans made that just reminded me of how good friends we were." my man HAS seen McLennon vids on youtube.
paul mccartney watching beatles compilations and reminiscing makes me want to cry 😢
If Donald Trump's rise to power and JK Rowling's descent into madness have taught us anything, it's that old celebrities with too much money are just as online as the rest of us.
Thats cute ❤
But that's an assumption. I understand you thinking of it as "likely" but he never specified that it was mclennon, or that he interpreted certain fan-videos with a romantic angle. Like his quote literally was "how good friends we are" hahaha. But the internet is huge and I'm sure he has come across something, as all public figures probably do.
When I read that interview, in 2016, as a Mclennon shipper, I had to walk away from the computer. I was in shock. I was like What do you mean PAUL HAS SEEN MCLENNON VIDEOS
I went to high school with a girl who was full on a mclennon shipper, AS WAS HER GRANDMOTHER. like. They bonded over shipping them it was amazing
generationally shipping mclennon is so crazy
wtf this is adorable, this makes me love the Beatles even more just for making this possible
@ right??? I remember her showing me the scarf her grandma gave her that she got at a Beatles concert it’s like an heirloom now
HAHA
we love girls being girls
Also, second thought. We need to give more credit to Linda McCartney. That woman did a lot for Paul to help him through his depression after Him and John “Divorced.” (John literally came into the Beatles meeting and said he wanted a divorce and referred to Paul as an estranged fiancé in a later interview). Paul wrote Baby I’m Amazed about her and it’s one of the purest expressions of love I’ve ever heard.
I can’t imagine (haha!) having to deal with Paul’s drug problems with 4 kids!!! He was arrested in Japan for pot/weed I think. 🤔
There's no such song of "baby I'm amazed" ? I'm embarrassed for you that you went to all that effort to pretend you knew about something 😂 and your just making it up! There is no song! Get a life weirdo
I saw Paul McCartney in concert several years ago and he still talks about Linda as if she was the love of his life. He's married to another woman now, but he still talks and sings about Linda with such love.
“Maybe I’m Amazed”, not Baby
@@rturney6376 weed is not a drug problem . He is still smoking it! My ex boyfriend' s grand parents had a weed plant, in Barcelona. They were more than 80 years old!
it's like you knew i had a deadline i wanted to procrastinate on
of course bestie
meee right now
@@uncarleyi misread this as beatle lol
Not retroactively: Paul and John have been shipped back when it all happened. Women would write fanfics and mail them to each other. Them, right after Kirk and Spock, McCartney/Lennon is one of the founding ships of shipping.
( I don’t agree with shipping real people, but for history’s sake, I though I’d point it out. )
Source please? (Not in like an accusatory way. I'd just like to have it)
@@just-so-were-crystal-clear5245 I don’t have this on the top of my head, BUT I know about this since the late 80s. So way before the internet was a big thing, let alone social media.
@@TRMoon that’s what I was thinking too!!!
@@just-so-were-crystal-clear5245 There is NO truth in there being fan-fics based on a physical relationship at the time 😂😂😂
The rumours began after John died when Yoko gave a series of interviews (early 80s) stating that John was "in love" with Paul. For more info I'd recommend the 'Another Kind of Mind' podcast. They did a series of episodes on Paul and Yoko's relationship.
I keep feeling like she’s about to say “McLovin’” every time she says McLennon LOL
omg me too
Mclennon gets to mclovin
Same!!
it was like the first time i heard the beatles
Word it’s driving me crazy 😂
One of my favorite facts about the India trip is that Ringo brought cans of beans with him, so he wouldn't have to eat the food there.
YES i actually love this fact too haha
@uncarley I can't blame him honestly, homeboy has British taste buds
the actual reason is that he has lots of food allergies
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa, love it !!
I didn't know that..I couldn't blame the man.
John saying he couldn't find a man that was hot and smart...valid
“A boy who's jacked and kind
Can't find his ass to save my life”
@thewrongcrowd6311 even gay men often carry misogynistic views. Obviously how this intersects with the rest of it is different, but i dont think theyre exempt from that kind of discussion, personally. Also, i hear gay men complain about other gay men all the time and say they suck too, so 🤷🏽♀️
The bisexual conundrum of "men hot but painful to endure" and "I don't wanna make women feel objectified when they're so awesome" so you just stay single or live the chaos
@@Swordprincess777yeah...gay men will grab your boobs and think it's funny cause they're not attracted to them so you can't be mad, I've seen videos like that
Paul was right there.
shout out to the late pope John Paul the 2nd who chose his name because he was such a devoted McLennon shipper
😮😮😮😮😮
This is gold 😂
i’m crying 😂
one time i saw a tumblr gifset of mclennon to girl so confusing ft. lorde and ive been convinced ever since
GENIUS
i need to see this😭
Drop the link op!!
I’m trying to link it but it gets deleted 😭😭 they are trying to silence us
The blog is @glowing-gold
when john was rushed to the hospital in 1980, the radio was playing “all my loving”, which probably means that the last thing he heard before he passed away was paul’s voice. they were reconnecting again and wanted to record music in early 1981, as john wanted to go back to england to see him and his son. paul regrets never telling john how much he loved him, and it’s so bittersweet knowing that they wanted to be together but that chance got ripped against their will.
😭😭
I didn't know John survived long enough to make it to the hospital. I thought he died in the police car on the way there.
Still others say he died right where he was shot, just a few minutes later. There seems to be conflicting information about this and it frustrates me. But I guess that's just what death is.
Frustrating.
@ He did make it to the hospital, but was pronounced dead a few moments later due to major blood loss. I think it would’ve been such a horrible thing to people witness him dying on the crime scene, but regardless it’s true. The radio in the hospital was playing that All My Loving. John’s last words were “yes” to a nurse asking him if he was john lennon. Paul had such a mortifying reaction to the news, he wrote a letter saying he didn’t care about the beatles and that John was the only thing he cared about.
@@ncwheregirlare u sure girl? like I read some times into it and was confused by this and while I found it cute at first I remember coming to the conclusion of this version: John is shot, he runs into the building screaming "I'm shot" or something(from the new documentary) Idk if he dies there or not, because my conclusion was he being taken to the hospital and bleeding A LOT and Idk if it was when he was dragged or if he was already in the car, but I read that was the moment of him being asked his name or being asked if he was John Lennon, there are these two versions of the question. Since he was bleeding so much, when he arrived at the hospital, he was already dead. They tried to make him come back but failed to do so(because Chapman chose that kind of bullet that destroyed people inside), then the story goes on and apparently they put the song around this moment or something as a tribute. It's confusing really because there are many sources and I don't speak English as well as I can read it so sorry if I sound confusing too.
@ His last words were “yes” to a nurse. Also it depends where you’re shot, and since he was shot in the back it takes a few minutes up to hours for someone to die of blood loss, which was what happened to him. Also after John passed away the radio station started playing beatles song as a tribute for 10 hours, but i’m pretty sure that All My Loving was played unintentionally. Obviously there’s a lot of accounts on what happened or didn’t, and the lines get blurred sometimes, but from what I’ve read this is what happened.
referring to real life events and people as “cannon” from now on. canonically, i love carley
As a 24 year old black fan of the Beatles, no, they didn’t steal black music. Unlike many white artists who covered black music without giving any recognition, the Beatles gave credit where credit was due and covered songs out of admiration. The Beatles were heavily influenced by black music and artists, and vice versa. Artists such as Fats Domino, Chuck Berry, and Little Richard were some of their idols, and they didn’t keep that a secret. When talking about the Beatles and the phenomenon that they were it’s important to recognize this aspect of their stardom, it’s one of the many things that made them different from so many other white artists back in the day. And it’s disheartening when there’s an actual case and history of a white group admiring, covering, and collaborating with black artists, just to have it written off as them “stealing” black music. Save that line for Elvis
Replace Elvis with Pat Boone.
There was also two way respect, Chuck Berry loved them enough that he got Julian Lennon to play with him live! I dont think that would've happened if he didn't like them.
Also Fats Domino did Lady Madonna, which is a song Paul singled out as being influenced by him. Amazing stuff all round
@@kingeddiam2543 ^^^thank you for highlighting this!
mclennon would have been such a power couple goddamn
RIGHT
They WERE a power couple goddamn it
@@stephaniejohnson4703 they literally were. united names and calling it marriage. like they didn't even have to be lovers to be a power couple. their love was intense as it is
the it couple
Right? like the two divas of the group, writing together AND being a couple? Insane
The number of people from that generation who were queer but were able to just write that off as “well, it was just the 60s, jorking it with 4 of your best dude friends was totally a thing”
Because it was...
Absolutely insane notification
i aim to please
Agreed.
I don't know who told you that they fired Pete best because he was hot because that's not why 😭 it's extremely well documented that their producer George Martin demanded that they fire Pete best because he wasn't a good enough drummer to be a recording artist and he literally refused to let them record without replacing him. it had nothing to do with looks Ringo was just a better drummer lmao
thank youuuu. i almost had a stroke when she said that 😭
I was cringing at the Berlin stuff, I'm sitting in Belrin rn wildin out bc they were in HAMBURG 😭 thats also where they met Ringo, who at the time was more successful than them! Loved the video, but some of the research is like... fingernail deep 😂 but the Beatles are such a deep topic, meaning there's never ending research one could do so I don't hold it against her
dude when she said that my eyes popped out of my head like in what WORLD
Yeah, that part is pretty cringe and ill informed.
On top of what's been said, it should be said that the dynamics were off as well. After gigs the 3 others would still hang out and party together. Even Ringo would join them, before joining the band.
Pete didn't have the charm, wit or outgoing personality that the band needed to become the biggest act in history. Imo, Pete is mid in every way.
If Pete was so hot and such a great drummer. Tell me what tracks or bands did he play on after he was kicked out of The Beatles?
babes we're here talking about a McLennon ship
Over one hour gay Beatles discourse?? Thank you so much omg 🫶
anytime baby
What was the point of this video, yoko claims John said he was bi but didn't get to fulfill his curiosities, he never said that, so it may be true ,it may not.. who cares? Lol u dnt think its a little disrespectful to speculate on a unalive person preferences but they're not here to respond n speak for themselves? U shouldn't be speculating on that anyway, it's micro hom×phxbia, it shouldn't matter if someone is or not n is quite frankly none of yalls business
@@jadebel7006 straight women love to fetishize gay men and call it allyship
@@jadebel7006boo go home
or "geatcourse" for short (you can parse this portmanteau a few different ways actually)
this is old man yaoi i never knew i needed, thank you so much for sharing
as someone who was DEEP in the beatles fandom as a 12ish year old, i never thought i would hear the word McLennon in the light of day. so many buried memories are being uncovered rn
I think we didn’t realise our fandom was so powerful. Once I recognised someone whose blog I followed as a teenager in a liverpool club smoking area and NONE of my irl friends understood why I almost combusted.
ME TOO. The way I bonded with so many people online bc of mclennon back when I was like 13 is insane. I lowkey forgot about it, until I saw this on my recommended. I had war flashbacks lol.
Me too 😂
Lennon-Mccartney is forever one of the most nuanced, complicated, powerful and intense relationships in music history. I've read so many books, quotes of people who knew them, interviews, etc, and I still find something new every time - that's how deep the rabbit hole is. Yoko also said to Phillip Norman that John told her he thought about having a love affair with Paul but was "deterred from it by his immovable heterosexuality" and all of them, John, Paul, even Yoko, called whatever John and Paul had a tumultuous marriage and then a bitter divorce. John always compared his relationship with Yoko to the one he had with Paul, calling them the only two partners he ever chose. They reconnected in the 70s but never had a chance to explore it properly because of John's death and I think Paul has had a hard time of coping with it ever since.
For anyone who wants to know more, there is an amazing documentary on RUclips called Understanding Lennon-Mccartney and a great podcast called Another Kind of Mind.
P.S. Pete Best was fired not because he was handsome but because he wasn't as good of a drummer as Ringo was. George Martin told the Beatles to get rid of him and find someone more skilled. The Paris trip was om John's 21st birthday, not Paul's. Tho John did some crazy shit on Paul's 21st birthdays too including being a dick to Paul's then gf Jane Asher (John was a dick to all Paul's partners and most of all to Linda) and beating up a guy for calling him queer (internalized homophobia much). Also, the Beatles played in Hamburg, not Berlin.
George Martin did NOT tell "... the Beatles to get rid of him and find someone more skilled." What he said to Brian Epstein was that he would "probably use a session drummer for the recordings", because he didn't think he kept a good tempo. He could care less if they kept Pete when they played Live in concerts. This comment got the Beatles worried. However, they were more or less thinking the same thing so that pushed them to get a new drummer, and the the drummer they all liked was Ringo.
@pkgannon that's basically what I said in meaner words. GM thought Pete was not good enough for recording sessions with the rest
1:06:36 OK, there’s an interview with Carl Perkins where he basically said that this song came to him randomly one night and he played it for Paul, and in the song it said “think of me now and then “ after Paul heard the lyrics he left the room in tears.
Carl- "Paul was crying, tears were rolling down his pretty cheeks, and Linda said, 'Carl, thank you so much.' I said, 'Linda, I'm sorry. I didn't mean to make you cry.' She said, 'But he's crying, and he needed to. He hasn't been able to really break down since that happened to John.'And she put her arm around me and said, 'But how did you know?' I said, 'Know what?' She said, 'There's two people in the world that know what John Lennon said to Paul, the last thing he said to him. Me and Paul are the only two that know that, but now there's three...you know it. I said, 'Girl, you're freaking me out!'...She said the last words that John Lennon said to Paul in the hallway of the Dakota building were...he patted him on the shoulder, and said
'Think about me every now and then, old friend."
Paul told Carl he believed John visited his mind.
thank you for sharing this!
The amazing follow-up in the same interview is that Perkins is called on his intercom, just as he is finishing telling this story, because Paul McCartney was on the phone! Perkins then says that Paul has a connection to "the spirit world."
@ love this
Do you know what year?
@Greenballoffire this happened in 81
Ugh Paul McCartney what he went through is horrible and make me feel for him. Imagine your mother up and dies with little to no explanation and then a few decades later your estranged best friend who helped you channel that grief into making the greatest pop rock band in history died being shot.
and then his beloved Linda dies from the same disease his mother died from. Linda said she didn't want to tell Paul because she knew how hard it would hit him
This video made me cry?? Grief is so complicated.
I still dream about my late boyfriend like he’s alive. He was 25, and like you said, I thought he/we had so much time to work out all our confusing feelings.
The beauty of creating art with someone like they did is that a part of their love will always be alive, for generations of people to come.
Thank you for such a good video Carley!
I'm sorry for you loss. This video hit me hard too. My dad took his own life a little over a week ago. He struggled with mental illness his entire life, and he was emotionally abusive to me and my family. When Carley talked about thinking you have time to work things out, it really got to me. Because that's exactly what I thought, I thought there was time for us to help him get to a healthier place.
@PAN-PAN107
so sorry for your loss as well; that is so difficult. Especially since he was abusive, too. It adds another layer to your grief. His soul is at peace now, hopefully you can find peace at some point, too.
No matter if they had a more explicit romantic/sexual relationship, if anything they at least had somewhat of an intense queerplatonic relationship (a toxic one, but still) and it's still queering, and still super valid and very impactful for the history of the band. I didn't about the theories before like last week, despite being a huge Beatles fan in high school... but I believe it, it makes a lot of sense! I don't feel like it's "shipping" in the same way fans do with other artists, I feel like it's more acknowledging a very particular relationship and what it was in a time when people were very different about their sexuality
now THIS is content! can’t believe ram was mentioned without talking about the picture of the two beetles fucking on the back cover though 😭😭 great video as always!!
This!!!!!! What was that, and then Paul was like "no I didn't even thought about the implications" "and in another interview he says he knows exactly what he was doing. Paul lies a whole lot
@@fwarnes lol, I wish more people would realize this. Paul just says whatever the hell he thinks sounds good in the moment. So unreliable and full of it, has no qualms attempting to rewrite their history on a whim. Even ringo is more honest in that he usually admits when he doesn’t remember something.
They’re genuinely so insane about each other you can’t even put it into words.
comparing mclennon to larry is actually disrespectful because mclennon lore could literally be the plot of a sad gay a24 movie while larry is just two guys fan girls decided were dating because of how close they were ten years ago
There is no difference, to be honest. Both are speculation and not confirmed. Both sides have "convincing" arguments for their sides, but it is still speculative.
Larry is also about young artists being forced into the closet and not able to show their love.
@@venusluv-i1vyes
@@venusluv-i1v larry’s arguments is them making crazy eye contact 12 years ago and mclennon is them going in little trips together, sleeping in the same bed, close ones saying they loved each other way too much(yoko for example) and an insane amount of amazing songs written about each other
Harry literally said in an interview that he had a crush on Louis Tomlinson and said “we’re discussing about it”
when i saw the title i clicked immediately. this topic is genuinely so interesting, the beatles as a band, concept and as people is one of my favourite things to discuss. the history of them and the culture around the beatles is just genuinely fascinating
In the immortal (literally) words of Spike from Buffy the Vampire Slayer, “The point is, they were once a real powerful group. It's not a stretch to say they pretty much ruled the world. When they broke up, everybody blamed poor Yoko. The truth is, the group broke itself up. She just happened to be there..” And he was so real for that!
My boy William was a truth teller
I didn’t like Yoko
@@rturney6376
What normal person would like Yoko Oh Noooooooooo !
@ 😂😂😂😂😂❤️❤️❤️
Exactly
MORE INFO about them because it makes me sick 👽👀 :
Paul mccartney put two beetles mating on the back of the cover where he dissed John, he said "now what can be done for you? She's waiting for me" and also saying basically "you lost the best thing that happened to you"
Actually there are two songs that goes exactly about this in the same album but this is rhe only one Paul said its about John, but John believes the other one too was aimed to him.
- Paul collects John things and has them displayed on a wall at his house because he likes to look at them, he also has a 5,9ft picture of him and John laughing together
- John had probably the hottest Paul pictures and he bought them from a photographer, he also sold them when he moved in with Yoko
-the song Paul wrote in 93 about their trip to paris mentions a cafe that was later known that John also mentions the cafe in a demo when he was still alive
-in the Philip norman book Yoko literally said that she discovered and heard a tape where John was MOANING Paul's name and that he said to her he tried to have something with Paul but he was a "immovable heterosexual"
-Paul said recently he dreams a lot about john people also says that he sometimes talks about John in present tense
- John has a song (just like starting over) where he references 3 Paul songs and in the demo mentions that he was in bed with the walrus (in glass onion john said that the walrus was Paul)
-in the real love demo, John starts citing and making up a song with news from a newspaper issue where Paul and linda announce their third child, and John and in the songs says "why must we be alone" and then sobs? Saying "and now with a baby and another on the way" and ends the demo with "just call him on the phone"
- paul has a CRAZY song he said its a bout john ("but from George's perspective" lmao) called "this one" where he says " did i ever hold you in my arms told you that i do (love you) I was only waiting for a better moment that didn't come"
- Paul also has another song called "friends to go" that basically says "i would rather none of our friends would know, we cant talk about this until they are all dead" look it up
-in the Winston o boogie interview that can be seen on lennon's official fb page
John interviews himself and asks HIMSELF if he had an affair with Paul, and John answers that he thought that the rumors were about Brian, but anyways he would like to go through all that in a future book when he's older. As we know he died young.
Funny thing is that Theres a whole lot more out there, and its all true.
Sorry I confused just starting over with John's song "i know I know" that's the one where he references 3 Paul's songs
In just like starting over deml John also mentions that he used to hook up with someone in a motel in montauk, john and yoko had a house there so idk why would they go to a motel
oh my GOD
-in the Philip norman book Yoko literally said that she discovered and heard a tape where John was MOANING Paul's name and that he said to her he tried to have something with Paul but he was a "immovable heterosexual"
WHAT 😭
@@ihappydawnz @ihappydawnz "John’s wounded anger was more that of an ex-spouse than ex-colleague, reinforcing a suspicion in Yoko’s mind that his feelings for Paul had been far more intense than the world ever guessed. From chance remarks he had made, she gathered there had even been a moment when - on the principle that bohemians should try everything - he had contemplated an affair with Paul, but had been deterred by Paul’s immovable heterosexuality. Nor, apparently was Yoko the only one to have picked up on this. Around Apple, in her hearing, Paul would sometimes be called John’s Princess. She had also once heard a rehearsal tape with John’s voice calling out “Paul . . . Paul . . .’ in a strangely subservient, pleading way. “I knew there was something going on there,’ she remembers. “From his point of view, not from Paul’s. And he was so angry at Paul, I couldn’t help wondering what it was really about.’ “
John Lennon: The Life by Philip Norman.
This quote is also from there:
“Do you know why I like you?” John once asked Yoko Ono. “It’s because you look like a bloke in drag. You’re like a mate.” Yoko replied with a laugh that he must be “a closet f(slur).”
jaw dropped on the ground with this one
queen idk if u know this but mclennon have a yaoi straight to DVD movie about them called two of us (2000) directed by michael lindsay hogg, who directed some of their music videos iirc? it’s basically about a fictional last meeting between them in new york and features great Mclennon hits like them dancing in the park together, kissing in an elevator, and john crying on a roof ❤ it changed my life forever i must say that. also paul was asked about the movie after it came out aid he said he liked it and wished it actually happened so there’s that too i guess ⁉️
that movie is so good i think about it daily
i have to watch it every year. Paul said he likes the movie and wishes it had happened.
Oh my god??? The lore just never ends
micheal hogg was making his own fanfiction before it was cool
I saw Paul McCartney perform at Glastonbury festival in 2022 and he truly played 3 hours of wings songs from the vault that nobody knew the words to and had the absolute time of his life
No he didn’t? I’m literally looking at the setlist right now. He played literally like 23 Beatles songs out of a 38 song set. I’d say the ratio there is, uh, pretty solidly favorable Beatles-catered lmaooo
@@PondOfGlue You're right, but he did do some deep tracks. "Temporary Secretary" much?
@@PondOfGlueare you seriously arguing with someone who was actually there? lmao you know that sometimes an artist might play songs that aren’t in the set list right?
Girl, the amount of McLennon fanfics I've read having heard like 5 beatles songs in total has to be criminal
this is so funny i need to know how this happened
@@mariabelen3264they ARE talented! what are your favourite fics then?
@mariabelen3264 do you have any recs? I've been a hardcore beatles fan for years, probably most of my life lol, and I've never read any even tho I've been planning to
rpf is fine - john lennon
alert the papers!
@@uncarley i dont want to think about the ethical implications of shipping marx and engles let me just fujoshi out
@@Iun4 no bc the deader they are the more ethical it is so go for it girl fujosh out
Just watched Lindsay Ellis’s documentary on Yoko Ono, so this is like the perfect dessert to follow that entree.
Unfortunately, Lindsay is a full on Jean Jacket. Having followed the Beatles since 1975, I can’t handle her “I just discovered the Beatles last week but now I’m the definitive expert” bs.
Omfg I would've freaked tf out if I got this notif during my beatle hyperfixation 2 years ago 😭
hahaha
IM IN MINE RN IM SO HAPPY
@@charlottejruthauthorElliot Roberts' channel has great videos about the Beatles, especially the one where he just fawns over the Get Back docu series 🥰
I AM IN MY BEATLE HYPERFIXTION RN THIS IS HEAVEN
LMAO same. I feel like it was even bigger 3 years ago. At least on Tumblr.
The way you passed over when Paul had a 5 year long relationship with Jane Asher (a famous actress in her own right) and even lived with her parents and when John wanted to start doing lsd with Paul (first did it with George bc Paul didn’t want to yet and John took that personally of course) Jane was jealous of John because she thought she should be the one having that kind of connection with Paul first. John was always weird and down right obsessed with Paul’s girlfriends, short and long term. It was definitely his abandonment issues playing out, but i think it’s important to note how Paul entered the 1968 period with still being with Jane, and they were engaged until Jane broke it off during summer of 68 after she caught Paul cheating. She broke up with him on national tv!!! after basically living with John for a period of time working on sgt. pepper in 67, their most experimental work by far and they made it while they were basically a couple living together. It’s giving tortured poets department for sure. So Paul and Linda would meet at Beatles events during the 66-68 period, and they finally connected proper a month or two out from Jane breaking things off officially, Paul was in his sex and drugs phase at the time so he was just bringing random girls home lol. But I think it’s important to bring up the John-Paul-Jane dynamic because I think Jane was John’s original threat of not being Paul’s special person. I think John kept Cyn fairly separated from the Beatles, plus she stayed home so it was easier for her to not be a threat to Paul like Jane was to John. But I think John’s art school friend Stu who was in the band early on as the original bassist was Paul’s Jane, his threat if you will. See, Stu did not care about music and didn’t even know how to play bass but John still wanted his bestie to be his band, which annoyed Paul. I think that was the first time for Paul someone tried to take his special attention away from John so there was an underline thing going on between the 3 of them, plus this was going on in Hamburg, Germany where they were still probably jacking off together still. That stopped when Ringo joined and Pete Best was still the drummer then.
Also Ringo was an established drummer in the Liverpool rock scene at the time, he was the drummer for Rory Storm and the Hurricanes which the Beatles opened up for!!!
Also also Paul was working class and John’s aunt Mimi was fairly classist towards him and didn’t like how John was hanging out with a boy that was “below” him, so they had to sneak around her and Paul’s dad who wanted Paul to get a proper job. John had beef with Paul’s dad lol. Their schools were right next to each other, and Paul went to a private all boys high school in Liverpool right after WW2 and many boys didn’t get in, you’d have to take an entrance exam and Paul was one of the 4 people in his primary school to get accepted to this prestigious private school for boys (which George also got into!!) while John was the rich kid at the public school (before art school) Talk about an A24 gay coming of age movie set in the 50s-60s waiting to happen!!!
Also also also John saw this movie in the early 60s about this gay lawyer??? I’m pretty sure. just a fun tidbit. I think he may have had some early queer literature as well but Paul definitely did read up on queer literature during sgt. pepper. They weren’t clueless as to what was going on outside of beatleland. And a correction - Paris 61 was John’s 21st birthday. Paul’s 21st (June 18th 1963) was when John almost beat up local DJ Bob Wooler to death because he brought up the Spain trip he had with Brian/asked John if he was gay. This was the first Beatles scandal. George broke it up and John also got into fights with 2 other people that night. I do think John was probably bi and towards his later years was on his way to finally accept himself, he had comments on how the main reason he got violence with others because he was “scared of the fag in me, this Oscar Wilde type”. So I think his sexuality was a constant struggle/battle he had with himself and it manifested in awful ways that hurt those who he loved, and hated. (Not excusing his behavior of course, beating people up is bad)
Yes I am completely normal about these 4 British men why’d you ask!!!!
Did you ever listened to "another kind of mind" and " one sweet dream" podcasts" ? They are amazing!
@ yes! I listen to them still :) I’m glad they bring more of an academic/creditable to the idea that John may have been queer and in love with Paul, up until now the idea was treated like a joke. But now even major rolling stone journalists agree In My Life may have been for Paul; platonic or otherwise. I just wish there were others in the podcast Beatles space talking about Lennon-McCartney and just the band in general through a queer lens more tbh, there would be loads to talk about!!!
I love that demo of starting over. John sounds so wistful-he says something like my best friend has a farm i've never seen and 2 kids and another on the way. Linda was pregnant with James around that time. I wonder if Paul has ever heard it.
i’ve never ever in my life read any info about the beatles i don’t even know their names and i know like 2 of their songs but. oh my god. this comment section leaves me in a fucking shock. your comment specifically is bloody brilliant; my god i can’t imagine having SO MUCH interest love and passion for these people’s lives and personalities and music. really makes me want to introduce myself with this crazy world too
@@sapphicat4454 lol thanks, idk for me it’s called having autism and having a late uncle who’s special interest was definitely the Beatles so I just don’t know anything different I fear 🫡 definitely recommend watching/listening to the anthology though from the 2000s for more background stuff. there’s a website called Beatlesbible which is the Wikipedia for all things Beatles. I basically got a music industry degree and went to school for this kind of stuff so. If you’ll go into Beatles books definitely stick those from the inner circle or just music experts. Rob Sheffield is great. There’s a book called Tune In that’s sus. I know Pattie Boyd has a book, May Pang has a book out and a recent documentary about her time with John & Yoko, George Martin does, Paul has Many Years from Now with Barry Miles. there’s also The Lyrics which is recent. Philip Norman has separate biographies on John and Paul.
fyi earliest gay ship is probably gilgamesh and enkidu. also i just so happen to be doing laundry lmaooo
Literature class had so many teen girls in a chokehold. Lord of the Flies, Catcher in the Rye, the Outsiders, etc.
@@m.ceniza4688 The Great Gatsby, The Portrait of Dorian Gray too! Haha
LMFAOOOOOO
A section about Gilgamesh going to hell to save him and Enkidu has lost his memory is considered a fanfic basically
i wrote gilgamesh x enkidu fanfic and now i’m an english teacher so yeah
in the target break room about to shed genuine tears over this, definitely sending me down a rabbit hole
One of my Tumblr mutuals who I started following for Doctor Who stuff hard pivoted into McLennon shipping and I refuse to unfollow them but I’ve got no idea what they’re talking about so I’m very grateful for this video maybe I will understand them now ty for your service Carley 🫡
the way my tumblr had that exact trajectory 👀 imagine if it was literally me lmao
Hey, The Devil’s Chord ships McLennon 😭
@@quincyquizsame, it seems the Doctor Who - Beatles/McLennon pipeline is a narrow one
@@swiftlyaswiftie I blame the fact Doctor Who did an episode on the Beatles that hinged on Paul and John defeating the villain with the power of their music/love if you're a Mclennon shipper
the fact that this is not a fanfic is crazy to me.........like this is some ao3 plot that would get millions of reads........
it was kinda heartbreaking ngl
the story of john holding on to the i love paul button as he dies might be fake, but damn if it isn't cinematic
as someone who is fully on 60s music tumblr, mclennon is just the tip of the iceberg. just wait til you hear about the thriving community of bob dylan/george harrison, neil young/stephen stills, paul simon/art garfunkel shippers, etc. it’s pretty fun
was searching for the dylan/harrison comments 😭😭
simon & garfunkel is my favorite toxic yaoi they're so messy
@@spring6066 ikr like mclennon who
not quite 60s but there are so many kiss shippers on tumblr it's actually crazy
shout-out to my monkees tumblr mutuals y'all are the real ones ☝️
Never been more excited about a RUclips notification in my life
i opened youtube and shrieked lol
omg thank u
As a 2024 Beatles fan, I do want to believe in McLennon, but as a 100% straight boy, I recognize that this is just a perfectly normal and healthy friendship that every young man has.
Paul McCartney’s Christmas song is a top 5 Christmas song. Take it back! I was not expecting to be victimized by Carley for my Christmas music taste today
i am a step into christmas by SIR elton john girlie until the day i DIE
I know this video isn’t about Liam but when you mentioned Liam and Zayn I started sobbing immediately because I think about the tone of Zayns remembrance post all the time and just how much regret he had in it and it’s been a hard few weeks for me and hearing this just thank you Carley
Fun fact about the Pyramus and Thisbe play! It looks like they’re putting on the Shakespeare version that is in A Midsummer Night’s Dream, where the acting troupe are meant to be silly, so one of them plays the moon and one is the wall( from what I remember)
yes i remember this well because we did this play in my school and i had to be THE WALL
@@m308 arguably the most important character
Just to defend Ringo here. Pete Best wasn't fired for his good looks (that's what his mom was saying when the Beatles got big) he was fired because he wouldn't show up to gigs and had a hard time keeping tempo
you're so right im just a ringo hater because i love mo starr
@@uncarley boo ringo is awesome
@@uncarleymo starr and ringo loved each other too! Ringo was by her side at her death bed in the 90s when she died of cancer with her most recent husband and the kids
Carley, I have to write an essay, this is amazing. I'm over 30 and always loved watching your book content, especially! You're hilarious and I got some great recommendations from you. Now, the fact you're talking about the Beatles and McLennon of all things is unbelievable. Thing is, in around 2004 I thought I must have been the ONLY teenage Beatles fan in the world... especially since I live in Europe and the internet was quite new, no social media, no RUclips, not a lot going on there. I was OBSESSED with the Beatles. It was so much fun to collect books, CDs, magazines and to find cute pictures and interviews online. The music still plays a huge part in my life. That never changed.
The fact that there is now a community of new teenage Beatles fans going wild on tiktok is crazy. Makes me believe in humanity again. All will be well in the end sort of stuff 😂 I love seeing young people re-discover all things Beatles. And watching some of the 60s craziness from a 2020's point of view is interesting, too.
Long story short, thank you for sharing this fun stuff, I hope the video goes well! Loving it so far, feels nostalgic 😅
this is such a beautiful story
I am 37 years old and was also crazily obsessed with the Beatles around 2004. I too love seeing new, young Beatles fans in our modern age. It's so bizarre and fascinating and makes my weird little heart happy.
@@VesperTime how wonderful! It is kinda bizarre, I agree!
My mom had a ton of John Lennon books, bios, and anthologies that I read as a kid. John’s mom had him young and didn’t want to/wasn’t able to raise him. His abandonment issues with her started way before she died. She had mental health and drinking issues. So John was raised by his aunt, but he always knew his mom and she lived near by. It bothered him that she didn’t raise him. As a teen she was like an older sister, John and Paul would go listen to records, play music, and party with her. When she died Paul helped John write “Julia” about her and his complicated love and resentment towards her. Allegedly Paul was fond of her as well. The harmonies on that song are beautiful.
On another note, although I’m sure Lennon wanted to impress his peers, I don’t think his deviation in artistic expression can be reduced to that alone. John was really drawn to avent garde and experimentalism in art. He got bored with the pop sound in a way Paul didn’t. I recently watched a video with a Paul McCartney video where he says he and John both liked the avent garde scene, but John liked it more. And that John was drawn to Yoko because of the freedom in her artistry. And Paul said he totally understood it.
Paul had nothing to do with composing Julia!
I feel like I have been compelled by my elders to inform you that the channel tunnel (crossing from England to France) wasn't built until the 90s and WAY too expensive to hitchhike! But we did have ferrys that went over the channel instead almost all the time and were much easier to hitchhike on.
Obsessed with this weird content though, you're awesome
THANK YOU for putting lyrics on the screen as you read them out 😍 my auditory processing genuinely cannot keep up without them
The most covered song of all time is Yesterday by The Beatles. As much as some people might get annoyed by them or want to dismiss their fame or say they’re overhyped they were hugely influential on a lot of modern music, just as they admitted they were hugely influenced by a lot of music that came before them. They also pumped out a lot of music, with a lot of different styles and sounds, written and performed by them, in less than 10 years, that’s a monumental scale. We have so much access to so many genres of music today that I think people born in the last couple of decades truly don’t realize how groundbreaking and experimental they were because we just have lots of stuff that sounds like that and just in general so much more now, it feels inconceivable to imagine a time with less only a few decades more ago.
21:45 - It has "to Paul with love" written on that valentines card as well
I'm about to build Legos so hard with this video in the background
'Thank you Queen Carley' we all say in unison, thanks for keeping us so well fed girlypop
yessss
As someone who went in extremely skeptical... Who does not buy into conspiracies ever. You've won me over. Definitely think it's more possible that they had a romantic aspect to their relationship.
jesus christ i knew virtually none of this, including paul’s song about grieving john, but even you just READING the lyrics made me sob. i will be saving listening to that song in full for a VERY rainy day. good lord. fantastic video, they were fuckin’, impossible to deny. love every one of your vids and am an avid watcher but i think this one might top the charts in at least my top three xxxx
hour-long video about something I have never even given a single thought to. YES, I'll have all of those, please.
I think a really strong contender for Carly's next shipping culture/Tumblr lore rabbit hole deep dive would be the Ryan Ross and Brendon Urie shippers of days past. That was truly an unhinged era and I think more people need to know about it. And don't forget the 500k word trilogy fanfic either
I second this, 11-16 year old me was obsessed with this band, Ryan Ross and Ryden. I stand by THROAM being well written even if I don't really like rpf anymore
I knew I loved you but you saying George is your favorite Beatle locked it in! That Scorsese documentary lowkey changed my life
He was an amazing musician and songwriter, but the poor guy couldn't get more than one song max on an album until post Beatles. I love the Beatles, but he's my favorite too. I haven't even gotten to that part of the video, haha, but agreed.
31:42, Around the Beatles was broadcasted internationally, so they included other parts of British culture into the broadcast. The way you presented it made it seem like it was a skit written for the show with Pyramus, Thisbe, a lion, and the moon. It was actually the four Beatles performing a scene from Shakespeare's Midsummer Night's Dream! It's a scene where four players perform the play, Pyramus and Thisbe. The heckling you hear at the beginning of George's moon monologue are actually the other characters from the show watching the play within the play! I had a whole class in college solely about the history of the Beatles! They did a pretty awesome job, honestly, I never expected the day I'd watch the Beatles performing Shakespeare. Highly recommend a watch! :)
i WISH my school had a class on the beatles!! i would take it in a heartbeat.
omg I just recently (literally 3 days ago) got into the Beatles music. This is so perfect😭
okay that's actually amazing
I'm so excited to find another person who is interested in the Beatles and made a whole 1-hour video about McLennon content! Thank you!
Recently, I've been hyperfixated on the Beatles, particularly on Mccartney, so this video has been quite a treat!
You've earned yourself a subscriber.
Could not be happier to be this early for such an insane topic 😭😭😭
i aim to please!
Cynthia Lennon did say: "John never looked at anyone the way he looked at Paul." Those two were really close buds.
I never clicked so fast on a video before in my life!!! I was in the Beatles fandom on Tumblr in the last 2000s/early 2010s and was DEEP in the McLennon/HarriStarr ships. It’s absolutely insane that these fandoms are still going so strong on TikTok and Instagram!
23:42 no honestly he was SO real for that
After the iconic Beatles girl historians season, I’ve been CRAVING more Carley Beatles content and you have delivered like always 🫶🫶
As someone who had a similar friendship and brutal “divorce” this video made me so emotional. Usually your videos make me laugh and it started off that way but ended with me crying 😭 thank you for your rants tho, A+ content love you
i genuinely knew NOTHING about the beatles before watching your video but you kept me interested the whole time. your POWERRRRR!!! no seriously thank you soo sooo much for you work, every single time you post i'm fangirling
my first youtube channel was a paul mccartney fan channel, and i was DEEP in online beatles spaces from 2008-2012. i had a couple close people to me die, and the beatles were what i turned to as a preteen/teen. my room was covered floor to ceiling in beatles memorabilia. i WAS PAUL MCCARTNEY FOR HALLOWEEN in eighth grade. it’s true that these spaces are still alive and well because at the age of 28, im still in them. im a mclennon shipper and have been since i was a teen. it was one of my first exposures to “queer” theming. like you said, the beatles are the biggest indie band in the world. there’s so much lore with them, the average beatles fan just won’t know. thank you for this, its incredibly niche but for someone like me its a joy.
More than an hour onMclennon analysis?? Oh, i love it.
i need to feed my besties
As a Tumblr mclennon girlie lemme just say this is scratching the skinniest tiniest surface!! But I loved this. Very entertaining.
this coming out during the rpftourney tumblr poll is HUGE
LITERALLY
this makes me honestly kinda sad, it's becoming increasingly more clear that queerness exists all around us and there's no queer/non-queer binary. i wonder how things would've turned out if we had lived in a world where their relationship (platonic otherwise) needed no labels and had no gendered expectations. it's very clear they cared deeply for one another.
the irony that a lot of older beatles fans are usually these masc music nerds also isnt lost on me, and i hope maybe they see the story of john and paul and reflect on their own friendships with their male friends.
i need an online college history course taught by you SOLELY on issues like this. these are the important issues we must keep alive!!!
I AM A HUGE BEATLES FAN and I've often thought about John and Paul's relationship and how it influenced their music. Even though I've taken a college class on the Beatles, I did not have all this information about their relationship. Thank you so much for the deep dive and for sharing your findings with us Carly!
I love this channel. It’s like a blind box like I never know what I’m gonna get but I am never disappointed
formally requesting a video like this on bob dylan and joan baez because i am OBSESSED with them and i need more content about them in my life🙏
PLEASE I would eat that up 😭
Got into the Beatles earlier this year, and the McLennon of it all is literally my Roman Empire. Listened to a really interesting podcast called "Another Kind of Mind" that did a huge 12-part series about the Beatles breakup through that McLennon lens, and it was fascinating -- and I think very plausible and not outlandish at all way of looking at the events that occurred. Whatever actually happened who knows, but I was certainly entertained!
Bro thank you so much for recommending that podcast, I'm on episode 2 and it's AMAZING
If anyone wants to have a more in-depth autopsy about the Yoko Ono of it all, I highly recommend Lindsay Ellis' video titled 'Yoko and The Beatles'. She talks about the history of The Beatles, and touches further on the concept of infantilizing artistic men for the sake of blaming women for their choices (John Lennon, Kurt Cobain, etc.) RUclips version is censored for the platform.
Wow the algorithm gets me more than most of my family members 🫠
yessss
amen to that.
Okay, but the reason pete best was fired was because he was a bad drummer?? George Martin (their producer) literally told the band that he would bring in a session drummer and they should fire Pete. Ringo was considered one of the best drummers in Liverpool and was highly sought after, this is pretty common knowledge, no? Also, there were a lot fans who found Ringo cute (he was hugely popular when they went to US) so I'm really confused why you said this, especially considering you made a whole podcast about the history of the band?
I know, this lady clearly hasn’t done any proper research and states “facts”/“quotes” without giving any sources.
In the Beatles anthology documentary series, George and Paul confirm that Pete best was fired from the band because he was unreliable. He didn’t practice any of their material and didn’t show up to gigs/recording session.
George Martin did recommend Ringo Starr and the band accepted as The band had previously worked with Ringo when he covered for Pete while the Beatles and Ringo's band were in Hamburg and was also had a reception as a competent session musician in Liverpool.
Her stating the reason the band fired Pete Best was the he was more attractive than the rest of the band, has completely discredited anything else she has to say.
Listening to Pete bests and Ringo Starr's drumming side by side, Ringo is clearly the more superior, competent and tighter drummer. Ringo is playing in harmony with the band, rather than playing against the other members of the band.
she’s jokinggg pls-
okay now i’m lowkey hoping for a panic! at the disco "ryden" video because this def reminds me of that lol
you have such a satisfying way of explaining things i would listen to a thousand of these types of videos of different band lore
as someone who had a Beatles blog on tumblr in 2014 I thank you for bringing me back down this rabbit hole
As someone who read an actual academic article on Beatles fanfic, I am locked the fuck in
Omg I want to read that??
Carley, I just wanna say that I live for ur chaos. Thank u for blessing us 😂❤
thank u!
she understand her audience so much
@ so real. I’m LIVING for this lore
51:43 John loved to purposefully miss spell certain words for comedic effect. He's even written whole books in this style here's an excerpt
"I was bored on the 9th of Octover 1940 when, I believe, the Nasties were still booming us led by Madolf Heatlump (who only had one). Anyway they didn't get me. I attended to varicous schools in Liddypol. And still didn't pass -- much to my Aunties supplies."
Apparently the tape that Now and Then was recorded on had "For Paul" written on the label as well when Yoko gave it to Paul. Who knows if someone other than John wrote that or if it was even true, but we can believe
oh MY GOD
Carly!! I was literally rewatching your older videos today thinking “ugh just dying for some new uncarly content” and then this appears as I’m making dinner. When I tell you this was MADE FOR ME, like I was already wearing my John Lennon shirt. Quite simply I’m obsessed, thank you QUEEN
The eurotunnel was opened in 1994, I think the idea was to take a ferry lol
thank u lol
Paul McCartney when asked how he would spend the day with John if he could come back for one day, he answered “in bed”.
if this is real this is so heartbreaking. for one, maybe the idea that there was some physical connection between them, but also it creates this image of two people just lounging and spending the day doing nothing. even that feels so intimate without it being explicitly romantic
girl i'm hoping this will blow up because this is some of your BEST work! i hope it doesn't flop like you think it will, and NEVER underestimate the chokehold that niche tumblr rabbit-holes have on your viewers
it’s interesting to see how many super famous girl and boy bands end up having rumored couples within the band. you can see it over so many parts of history whether it’s the beatles, the spice girls, and one direction i think forced proximity and trauma bonding over such a unique life experience contributes so much to it.
also "oh darling" sounds like paul is saying "oh johnny" instead, and you shoul've mentioned "dear friend", paul says it's for john and the lyrics literally says "i'm in love with a friend of mine, really truly, young and newly wed" (1971, john recently married yoko)
to me it's Paul 6 years ago saying "one of my best friends was k* in gun violence right around here" while being at a march against gun violence in New York... I still think about how I went "oh!" realising who he was talking about.
Also I do care a lot about McLennon thank you for this