Janisse Quinones, head of LADWP, got a $750K salary and she let the Santa Ynez reservoir, that holds 117 million gallons of water, run dry for a tear in the cover ! ! ! Sheer incompetence! And that Bass who put this clown in charge - both of them need to be fired ASAP ! ! !
You don't understand anything. Even with 100 trucks in the Palisades using water from Santa Ynez, water needs to get ON the fire to put it out. Can't do that with 15 hrs of hot dry winds blowing 50-100 mph. IMPOSSIBLE
@@cathytalisman9227 Not at all. LADWP serves 10 million people. $750K is chump change for a job that big and the best a public salary can offer. PG&E serves 16 million customers but is private - look up their CEO salary. Last I checked $17 million
There isn't a community in the world prepared for fires such as these. CalFire & LAFD are the two largest and most prepared fire departments in the country, if not in the world. If you live else where, they're even less prepared.
@ for the amount of taxes paid I expect government to be far better prepaired (near zero structure loss). If the state & city’s have billions for homelessness & illegal aliens they have money to do whatever it takes for life & homes to be protected from fire no matter what the weather conditions are.
@@Mountaintopwolf State taxes are high to fund the state from the lack of federal funding. California pays the most into the federal tax system, while receiving the least per capita. They receive approximately $12 person in federal funding, while small red states that contribute little receive as much as $10,000 per person. Maybe they should withhold federal taxes to fund themselves.
You here this bull$hit?! He says our property taxes ain’t high enough! We’re the highest taxed state in the nation and this loser is asking for a tax hike. We’re all the money that we’ve paid gone to? Why is there not forensic audits happening? Why hasn’t anyone been fired? These people should be out there demanding true justice. Instead, they’re being gaslit by the leaders who failed them…
Why the hell isn't Bass and the City council members that approved the Fire Dept budget cuts at this meeting, the fire fighters worked their asses off! Hope Bass and Council are sued!
Maybe you should stop listening to posts on X and do your own research. The budget was actually increased by $50 million from the previous year in November.
@@CrispyOkra The LA city fire chief herself said they had budget cuts even though they are already underfunded for the territory. Local news fact checked that claim as true day 1. Who TF you working for shill? Stop lying!
@@CrispyOkra oh is that why they went on camera admitting budget cut did occur clown? Next you're going to tell everyone 24bil to homeless worked but it's missing.
@@edbrophy4602 $770K is chump change for a department serving 10 million people. That's the best possible public salary. PG&E is private and serves 16 million customers, their CEO makes $17 million. Which would you rather have?
They offered to send 150 firefighters, just so you know. Several nearby states have sent firefighters and trucks, (no Oregon trucks were turned away, by the time that rumor hit social media they had already been on the front line for a few days). Canada and Mexico (yes, Mexico) have also sent firefighters, and Canada also sent about 7 of what’s just about the best firefighting aircraft around. So California has been getting plenty of help from both the rest of the US and abroad.
Here's a comprehensive plan: 1. Goats in the hills to reduce fire load. 2. Strict rules regarding defensible space. 3. Able bodied homeowners that meet and drill as part of a neighborhood volunteer brigade. 4. A plan to have enough water available to fight the fire. 5. A fire department that is willing to stay and put out the spot fires so the neighborhood doesn't burn. 6. Helicopters and planes moved into position and at the ready when you have red flag fire conditions. 7. Fire department should have portable pumps to draw from swimming pools in an emergency
1. That'd be a lot of goats and it would severely impact the ecosystems of any wild areas covered. 2. There are, and the burden is on the homeowners to clear defensible space which far to many ignore. Granted, enforcement has been lax and begs greater commitment. 3. Might be a good idea, if it is in fact a feasible option. 4. Just which "the fire" in particular, they're all different, start in different places, under different conditions etc. In either case, there was no shortage of water, just water pressure as local systems were overwhelmed. That situation needs to be addressed. There are some high quality videos on YT that discuss all that in detail. 5. The agencies are way ahead of you on that, but with 100 MPH winds, extreme low humidity, and high fuel load it simply becomes impossible to cover it all, if any. 6. Availability or aerial assets wasn't the issue, it was the wind, smoke, then nightfall preventing fixed winged aircraft from operating even once the wind abated. 7. They do have portable pumps and use them as necessary, but one tanker truck can only hold so much, and at the pressures they use it is quickly spent. Keep in mind that fire agencies are manned by hardcore professionals who take pride in their work. For the average citizen to second guess them, while warranted in some cases, is generally folly. To presume you might understand fire better than they is sheer hubris. In the case of the Palisades fire, the places these homes were built (such as topographical fire chimneys), the design and materials used, and the local urban forestry/horticulture surrounding them, demonstrate a lack of foresight and responsibility. All these lessons were learned in the Belaire fire of 1961, but subsequently ignored by politicians, planners, developers, and homeowners. Don't blame the people who risk their lives cleaning up their mess. Epilogue: Now they all want to reduce regulation and oversight to build back ASAP. So in 20-30 years those in the Pacific Palisades will be asking the same questions that have been answered time and again.
@@bradsillasen1972 These are all ideas that experts have come up with. So for you to think that you know better is hubris. As for the helicopters and planes they were not available early on when the winds were low. The officials said they weren't on stand by because that was too expensive. As for the goats they are used to create a fire break along the edge of neighborhood. They don't eat everything unless you leave them in one spot for too long. They are if fact be used on the other side of the mountain from the Palisades and could be seen on the news being moved ahead of the fire. The winds were not 100 mph at the Palisades that is total BS. There is no video showing that. The portable pumps were to be used to draw water from swimming pools. You say nothing could have been done? How did elderly men with only a garden hose save several houses? You say that firefighters risked their lives to fight the Palisades fire, but all witness accounts and video indicate the exact opposite. In fact they refused to take any real risk and pulled out to let it all burn. In the 1961 fire they fought house to house street by street and only lost 458 homes. In the Palisades fire they pulled back and let it all burn. Facts.
Those professionals are 100% responsible. It's their job to inform the public if there is a level of risk they know they can't handle. They chose to stay quiet and collect paychecks instead while hazards were left mismanaged and no one was ever hired to handle anything. They murdered all those people with their silence.
@@pearlangeline Nonsense. LAFD has had public education programs since the Bel Air fire. There is a 1962 film called 'Design for Disaster' with much of the mitigation above discussed. Homeowners and developers were not interested in anything that would 'harm neighborhood character' or 'reduce privacy/property values'.
This dude just said “don’t blame them blame me” dude you aren’t the one in charge of water your team didn’t have enough water to fight the fire brother
@@73blaster23 That is UNTRUE. MAN cannot prepare for natural disasters! ALL THE PREPAREDNESS in the world isn't going to prepare for a HUGE earthquake either. Believing so is delusional.
Sounds like he's putting himself up as the scape goat. He was either told to do so, or is planning on setting back collecting that pension for the rest of his life.
He's the LACoFD chief, Bass and LA City council does not affect his decisions and salary, that would be the LAFD. The LA County Board of Supervisors sets the funds for LACoFD. LAFD funds are set by LA City.
@@CrispyOkra No it wasn't. Those wind speeds are complete BS. And you only need a couple of hundred firemen putting out spot fires to keep the neighborhood from burning.
Yes, people need to understand the difference. The Castiac fire is a perfect example, LA county got on it quick and lost zero homes. The slow response to the Palisades fire needs to be investigated.
@ Unlikely given how the area was developed. Narrow winding roads are popular for neighborhood seclusion but useless as firebreaks. High value areas tend to have lush landscaping, which provides additional fuel in a wind-fed fire. Wildfire experts recommend minimum landscaping, or only desert plants, no tall trees, and wide roads. Maximum use of fire resistant building materials too, which was not the case. The homes that survived often had such materials.
@@Sassyone-522 YES! Do you DO their job? Do you put your life on the line everyday to keep these cities free from harm? It's so easy to place blame on these men and women because who else are you going to blame? Maybe the residents WHO choose to live among the mountain areas should be more diligent and PREPARE for these types of situations. Did you keep an watch on the winds? SMFH!
@@emramirez7846 Current funds have been misused & keep being misused - you must vote Democrat because of your reply - this is why CA’s troubles keep repeating over and over
There is door bell footage from Pacific Paladise where one can see the fire arriving, and burning the city to ashes, and no emergency vehicle ever arrives to help or assist; and the much talked about winds don't seem to been that bad that day, according these footages.
IT LOOKS AS IF NO FIRE DEPT WAS THER BUT THEY TRIED THE WWINDS WERE TOO SSTRONG AND THERE WWERE CARS BLOCKING THE FIRETRUCKS FROM PUTTING THE FIRE OUT IN PACIFIC PALISADES FIRE.
Very ignorant. There is wind data recorded from all over the region. ONE doorbell camera is not any kind of data point. Wind action can be highly localized. Maybe there was a wall of shrubs next to the property reducing wind on that particular slice of the block.
It was like 5-6 years ago, that we had winds like this. In San Dimas, It was crazy, hurricane wind-like conditions. No major fires. Until bum-fires under biden was a thing.
@@greggh.748 arent republicans massive on states rights? Why not blame poor bi-partisan leadership in Cali, that's the reason, not Biden. But I don't expect republicans to be smart, there's a reason the least educated parts of the country always vote red. Compare education maps per county to voting maps per county, one side is truly stupid.
No fire department in the world has enough to put these fires out . The entire state of California could have sent every fire truck and it wouldn’t have been even remotely close. But you know what would help . Remove the dry vegetation from around your property! Use hard scapes! Build with concrete and metal roofs ! If you want to live in those areas!
It hadn't rained since last April. It would have been been empty or near empty anyway. The tanks that fed the gravity fed hydrants were filled a few days before the fire. Regardless, you can't stand in front of a wall of flame coming at you with 80-100 mph winds.
@CrispyOkra You're wrong it was drained because the cover needed repair. The firemen said there were million gallon tanks unfilled that contributed to the the Palisades hydrants running dry.
Raising property taxes will do no good as the top brass in the city will absorb it getting big raises and bonuses. This happens all the time especially with the school districts as every time the raise my property taxes due to some bond the the voters approve nothing happens and the schools don’t do anything but give the top administration big hefty raises.
We should have used some fire boats, we could have at least saved some of the PCH homes. I didn't know about this until I watched," Using Seawater To Fight Fires in SoCal | Why No Water | Fireboats | Seawater Myths!" the title here on youtube.
@@nannerz1994 If you watch the video I recommended, hoses from the boats can go pretty far into the land by linking trucks together. They could have at least saved PCH homes easily.
Did you not hear what he said? They held the off going shifts, doubling their man power. Their fully staffed department was deployed to Pacific Palisades which is LA City FD's territory. There are simply not enough resources. This Fire Chief is a real leader who is telling them the buck stops with him, not like the DEI lesbian running LA City FD who points the blame to everybody but her own management.
I do not believe this 100 mph winds, maybe some measuring station at some mountaintop had that wind, but there is no footage which shows hurricane winds
IMPORTANT- At the first press conference on the 8th- Crowley said something like " the fire was just 10 acres and before you knew it it was 500 acres" and all I thought was imagine if they had positioned fire trucks early? None of this would have happened
It is utterly disappointing for anyone to be placing the blame on the firefighters for homes burning down. In a perfect world, there would be enough police officers for every person in this state and a firetruck for every perimeter, BUT THERE ISN'T and to point fingers at these men who were out there EVERY SINGLE DAY fighting these fires with NO SLEEP, NOTHING TO EAT, some lost their own homes , away from their families, and putting their lives on the line for nearly the last 2 weeks is diabolical and SHAME ON YOU ALL! For that matter, the question can be reversed on you; what did YOU do to prepare for winds this bad that we haven't seen in years, let alone fires?! WHAT DID YOU DO?! Be grateful you have your life, your animals (some of you), and the ability to breathe. My goodness. We ALL feel for you, especially those of us in the San Gabriel Valley community. To blame these men and women is simply WRONG! I send my prayers to you all.
People had best know that you can't stop, much less, put out fires like that. The wind can boost oxygen levels increasing the fire temperatures up to 2200F- 3000F degrees. Your hose streams are being broken up and like your helo drops turning into steam before and immediately upon reaching the fire. Pray!
State taxes are high to fund the state from the lack of federal funding. California pays the most into the federal tax system while receiving the least per capita. They receive approximately $12 person in federal funding, while small red states that contribute little receive as much as $10,000 per person. Maybe they should withhold federal taxes to fund themselves.
Wouldn't California's situation be better without three million illegals? What if homelessness and unemployment weren't so common? How much better would it be if more Californians paid taxes?
Maybe you should build firehouses in all these housing developments instead of waiting for you to come from downtown area and you need to maintain your fire hydrants and your equipment as far as fire trucks plus do more control burns to get rid of dead weeds and brushes.
Do they all need a little drink like that? Paid by taxes. Why doesn't everyone in the room get one? I'm sure they can go a few minutes without water to drink. Just shows how clueless they are.
Budget cuts, budget increase, full reservoir wouldn’t have made a difference. LAFD is a class 1 department you cannot be more prepared and staffed then a class 1 department.
Seen a video this morning of a lady that found one of the rockets used to start the fires. It didn't ignite apparently and the authorities where there investigating.
The fires got so bad in the first place because no one was willing to point fingers at themselves and say "Im accountable for this", and then prove it.
@ After the winds died down, not much. The issue was not water supply, it was water pressure. When people evacuated, many left their water mains ON. Once houses were burned/damaged, pipes were leaking everywhere. This reduced total system pressure. At that point fire crews would have to bring in tanker trucks anyway. Hydrants would be (and were) useless.
Bass has no ass left after trump chewed it off.And newscum didn't attend the meeting with trump because he knew his ass would have been chewed off TOO.Those two are hiding now because the public will not stop the ass chewing until they are fired
That’s their solution? Higher property taxes? An investigation/ audit needs to be done on their spending because Los Angeles is in the red. Poor management all around!
This is what happens when you vote for Biden and Newsom be carful what you wish for. Stop voting because of dems and republicans vote for what’s right. All la is worried about is DEIB. Time to come back to reality and get Newsom and Bass out of here!
Tired of hearing excuses. ALL leaders in California are responsible for this disaster. More money won’t fix this. Policy with common sense is where to start.
lol, all these people complaining about taxes, and there are people’s houses burned down show you their priorities. Like if you don’t like living where you have to pay taxes to protect your home from a fire then leave, seriously. Too bad to, since a lot for these people will not be able to move let alone rebuild. If we had taken enough precautions before and paid whatever was necessary to prevent this from happening we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
LA County Fire Chief talks about increasing taxes. I would agree that resources were limited, but this is not the first rodeo. Pre-planning is a must. Increasing taxes in not the answer. They have plenty of money allocated yearly. Use it wisely and pre-plan with a unified response.
@ it’s two toxic disasters one is the fire itself. The second one is where we going to mismanaged the waste? There seems to be a theme of we hold you to the letter of the law and our government mismanage’s everything. See where denied coverage now we’re in delay rebuilding.
It’s a good question, but the answer comes with a tough reality, you can’t depend on city leadership. Also, I’m not defending the lack of accountability, but with a combination of high winds, and poor planning. The fires were very hard to stop.
Why do they keep talking to us that way? Never mind I actually know the answer but this we’ve never had. These wins is complete bullshit. I grew up here and I’ve seen wins uproot trees in mass. We have had these wins, but there’s a lot of things that we haven’t had before that we do now most you know what those are most. Do you know what those changes are most? Do you know that some of you and the people I believe we never had these wins before probably don’t.
There were winds in 2011 that were stronger. The thing that was different was that no fire started. If a fire started in the same place in 2011 it would have been worse - just luckily no fire started.
This is not the Firefighters fault you have to understand the political defunded them and funded their environment agent and lack of infrastructure to pressurize the water system. This was a firestorm but political mitigation funding could have prevented this or limited the this mass conflagration
Typically, about 10 to 25 Santa Ana wind events occur annually. A Santa Ana wind can blow from one to seven days, with an average wind event lasting three days. The longest recorded Santa Ana event was a 14-day wind in November 1957. It's been going on for quite some time.
There should be Fire Trucks to maintain Structural Defense in the first line of fire before it became inferno. Wonder 1% of property tax they mention does not sufficient support this. LA i think is rich people home, 1% property tax is big figure.
Hi i live in Australia, I've been watching your fires in LA on fox since .I've been a volunteer fire-fighter for 35yrs.the use of airport fire trucks may have been useful in suppression in some areas. You have heaps of airports in LA ,they could have released 4 or 5 to help.
Sorry guys but your tactic of “structure protection” instead of getting in front of the fire to knock it down, doesn’t work. I’ve seen video after video of firefighters waiting instead of actively putting fire out. What good is wetting dry leaves 10 feet in front of active patches of fire ( small flames), instead of just spraying the fire to put it out? It’s video like that (I think it was ABC7) that makes people wonder if this wasn’t all planned in order to put a bunch of rules and regulations in place to keep people in cities. It does absolutely zero to pat yourselves on the back while making excuses why almost every house that caught fire, was destroyed. You guys failed, plain and simple. 45 minutes to respond to the Palisades? Totally inexcusable. You had time to get in front of it. Somehow I feel this was the fire departments way of the “quiet quitting” many of the brats in todays companies do to protest something they don’t like. Maybe the budget cut from last year? You’ll teach everyone a lesson they won’t forget? Maybe?
They always go to "I'm so proud of our fire fighters that day" etc.. its a way to deflect any responsibility for anything.. because as soon as you say "I'm proud of our fire fighters etc" it instantly makes everyone have to acknowledge them and be sheepish to criticize anything. Each individual fire fighter is a hero and did everything they could I'm sure.. but the city management and fire management wasnt prepared for the fire and needed more resources.
Fire and police personnel do jobs the average person would NE VER DO! SHAME ON YOU for your criticism. Had these men and women saved more homes, BUT lost their colleagues, I would hope this same energy would have been given. SHAMEFUL!
@@emramirez7846 You clearly didnt read my comment "Each individual fire fighter is a hero and did everything they could I'm sure" To suggest that no one can ask any questions or want answers as to why the CITY wasn't better prepared, thats shameful. SHAME ON YOU!! Everyone agree's the fire fighters are hero's. My point is that, they say that, because it causes people to clap and stop asking questions.
There is NO preparation possible for fires of this scale. Not with so much fuel available in hilltop neighborhoods. Wood homes, tar/shingle roofs, lush landscaping, forget it. Impossible task.
@ Yes, nothing can be done differently in the future, because as you said, it was impossible. We should continue to underfund our fire department, make sure our reservoir is empty, not clear excessive dry brush in the mountains or build more fire roads etc. I agree!! :P
LAFD can’t fight multiple wildfires all at once in LA County as local politicians have cut their department budgets and blocked the flow of waters from the North. Bass has to go immediately, or more disasters on home losses to wildfires will continue to happen in near future as history will repeat itself all over again.
Karen is not there because the adults are talking. She is now required to just sit in another room with her mental peers making things out of playdough and macaroni.
The questions that should be asked are; how many engines did La County/ La City upstaff? How many strike teams were prepositioned for the red flag event? Lastly and most importantly why was “IROC” the So Cal State resource ordering system down the day of the fire? Almost no out of La area engines were not dispatched until the next day the 8th.
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ doesn’t just “do this” out of boredom. There have been bad things happening in that city for decades, and it was just a matter of time before something happened… I mean, the scandals, the promiscuous parties, the superficial atmosphere and attitudes, the disdain for regular working-class people, worshipping the devil, DEI, mocking the Bible-the list goes on and on. Look, I do feel bad as a Christian… I do! But now is the time to humble yourselves, reset your lives, keep your heads up, spirits high, work very, very hard, and pick up a Bible and pray. 🙏🏻 You’ve got this!
Well said Chief !!!!! Your property taxes pay for every day , single house fires and medical aid responses ,NOT for SANTA ANA URBAN INTERFACE DISASTER type fires ! Hello PEOPLE
Janisse Quinones, head of LADWP, got a $750K salary and she let the Santa Ynez reservoir, that holds 117 million gallons of water, run dry for a tear in the cover ! ! ! Sheer incompetence! And that Bass who put this clown in charge - both of them need to be fired ASAP ! ! !
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That Quinones situation alone is some sort of scandalous money laundering payola.
Yes, that’s an issue.
You don't understand anything. Even with 100 trucks in the Palisades using water from Santa Ynez, water needs to get ON the fire to put it out. Can't do that with 15 hrs of hot dry winds blowing 50-100 mph. IMPOSSIBLE
@@cathytalisman9227 Not at all. LADWP serves 10 million people. $750K is chump change for a job that big and the best a public salary can offer. PG&E serves 16 million customers but is private - look up their CEO salary. Last I checked $17 million
This is a lesson for everyone in
Los Angeles County… Nobody’s coming to save you when you need them the most.
delusional asshole
There isn't a community in the world prepared for fires such as these. CalFire & LAFD are the two largest and most prepared fire departments in the country, if not in the world. If you live else where, they're even less prepared.
@ for the amount of taxes paid I expect government to be far better prepaired (near zero structure loss). If the state & city’s have billions for homelessness & illegal aliens they have money to do whatever it takes for life & homes to be protected from fire no matter what the weather conditions are.
@@Mountaintopwolf State taxes are high to fund the state from the lack of federal funding. California pays the most into the federal tax system, while receiving the least per capita. They receive approximately $12 person in federal funding, while small red states that contribute little receive as much as $10,000 per person. Maybe they should withhold federal taxes to fund themselves.
@@Mountaintopwolf P.S. Guess where the federal politicians are residence of.
You here this bull$hit?! He says our property taxes ain’t high enough! We’re the highest taxed state in the nation and this loser is asking for a tax hike. We’re all the money that we’ve paid gone to? Why is there not forensic audits happening? Why hasn’t anyone been fired? These people should be out there demanding true justice. Instead, they’re being gaslit by the leaders who failed them…
Why are they not talking about water 24/7.
1800 firefighters how many had water?
Highest taxed state in the nation, while being the least federally funded.
All comes down to dollars these days....sad times indeed.
The budget for the homeless is higher than that of LAFD. Salaries alone is hard to keep up with.
@@dmystify1381duh more people costs more money
Why the hell isn't Bass and the City council members that approved the Fire Dept budget cuts at this meeting, the fire fighters worked their asses off! Hope Bass and Council are sued!
Cant be sued. They have immunities even if their budget policies were blatant failure.
They are all part of a bigger clown show!
Maybe you should stop listening to posts on X and do your own research. The budget was actually increased by $50 million from the previous year in November.
@@CrispyOkra The LA city fire chief herself said they had budget cuts even though they are already underfunded for the territory. Local news fact checked that claim as true day 1. Who TF you working for shill? Stop lying!
@@CrispyOkra oh is that why they went on camera admitting budget cut did occur clown? Next you're going to tell everyone 24bil to homeless worked but it's missing.
That taxes aren't high enough to pay for the Fire Department is BS!
These taxes are only used to pay $770,000 in salaries, so the Fire Chief will tell you that taxes aren't high enough to pay for the Fire Department!
@@edbrophy4602 $770K is chump change for a department serving 10 million people. That's the best possible public salary. PG&E is private and serves 16 million customers, their CEO makes $17 million. Which would you rather have?
Mismanagement by democrats again ! Californians should learn their lesson well ! Do NOT vote for the Demo-rats !😂
Did you hear the crack about the 1% tax? Now these fires will reset that. How convenient.
Where are the firetrucks, Ukraine?
They offered to send 150 firefighters, just so you know. Several nearby states have sent firefighters and trucks, (no Oregon trucks were turned away, by the time that rumor hit social media they had already been on the front line for a few days). Canada and Mexico (yes, Mexico) have also sent firefighters, and Canada also sent about 7 of what’s just about the best firefighting aircraft around. So California has been getting plenty of help from both the rest of the US and abroad.
Stop that bs with Ukraine, it’s Californians who elect idiots!
Here's a comprehensive plan:
1. Goats in the hills to reduce fire load.
2. Strict rules regarding defensible space.
3. Able bodied homeowners that meet and drill as part of a neighborhood volunteer brigade.
4. A plan to have enough water available to fight the fire.
5. A fire department that is willing to stay and put out the spot fires so the neighborhood doesn't burn.
6. Helicopters and planes moved into position and at the ready when you have red flag fire conditions.
7. Fire department should have portable pumps to draw from swimming pools in an emergency
1. That'd be a lot of goats and it would severely impact the ecosystems of any wild areas covered.
2. There are, and the burden is on the homeowners to clear defensible space which far to many ignore. Granted, enforcement has been lax and begs greater commitment.
3. Might be a good idea, if it is in fact a feasible option.
4. Just which "the fire" in particular, they're all different, start in different places, under different conditions etc. In either case, there was no shortage of water, just water pressure as local systems were overwhelmed. That situation needs to be addressed. There are some high quality videos on YT that discuss all that in detail.
5. The agencies are way ahead of you on that, but with 100 MPH winds, extreme low humidity, and high fuel load it simply becomes impossible to cover it all, if any.
6. Availability or aerial assets wasn't the issue, it was the wind, smoke, then nightfall preventing fixed winged aircraft from operating even once the wind abated.
7. They do have portable pumps and use them as necessary, but one tanker truck can only hold so much, and at the pressures they use it is quickly spent.
Keep in mind that fire agencies are manned by hardcore professionals who take pride in their work. For the average citizen to second guess them, while warranted in some cases, is generally folly. To presume you might understand fire better than they is sheer hubris.
In the case of the Palisades fire, the places these homes were built (such as topographical fire chimneys), the design and materials used, and the local urban forestry/horticulture surrounding them, demonstrate a lack of foresight and responsibility. All these lessons were learned in the Belaire fire of 1961, but subsequently ignored by politicians, planners, developers, and homeowners. Don't blame the people who risk their lives cleaning up their mess.
Epilogue: Now they all want to reduce regulation and oversight to build back ASAP. So in 20-30 years those in the Pacific Palisades will be asking the same questions that have been answered time and again.
@@bradsillasen1972 These are all ideas that experts have come up with. So for you to think that you know better is hubris. As for the helicopters and planes they were not available early on when the winds were low. The officials said they weren't on stand by because that was too expensive. As for the goats they are used to create a fire break along the edge of neighborhood. They don't eat everything unless you leave them in one spot for too long. They are if fact be used on the other side of the mountain from the Palisades and could be seen on the news being moved ahead of the fire. The winds were not 100 mph at the Palisades that is total BS. There is no video showing that. The portable pumps were to be used to draw water from swimming pools. You say nothing could have been done? How did elderly men with only a garden hose save several houses? You say that firefighters risked their lives to fight the Palisades fire, but all witness accounts and video indicate the exact opposite. In fact they refused to take any real risk and pulled out to let it all burn. In the 1961 fire they fought house to house street by street and only lost 458 homes. In the Palisades fire they pulled back and let it all burn. Facts.
Those professionals are 100% responsible. It's their job to inform the public if there is a level of risk they know they can't handle. They chose to stay quiet and collect paychecks instead while hazards were left mismanaged and no one was ever hired to handle anything. They murdered all those people with their silence.
8. Vote wisely.
@@pearlangeline Nonsense. LAFD has had public education programs since the Bel Air fire. There is a 1962 film called 'Design for Disaster' with much of the mitigation above discussed. Homeowners and developers were not interested in anything that would 'harm neighborhood character' or 'reduce privacy/property values'.
This dude just said “don’t blame them blame me” dude you aren’t the one in charge of water your team didn’t have enough water to fight the fire brother
GOT TO BE ON TOP THE OF SHIT!!! THEY KNEW CALI WAS GIONG TO GET UP TO 100MPH WINDS!!! THEY ALL DROPED THE BALL!!!
If you don't move to recall, and replace all of them, then you will just get more of the same.
@@73blaster23 That is UNTRUE. MAN cannot prepare for natural disasters! ALL THE PREPAREDNESS in the world isn't going to prepare for a HUGE earthquake either. Believing so is delusional.
@@73blaster23 The forecast was for 50-60 mph winds.
Sounds like he's putting himself up as the scape goat. He was either told to do so, or is planning on setting back collecting that pension for the rest of his life.
Bass and the city council is to, blame. The FD chief is defending his salary = a spineless pension grabber.
He's the LACoFD chief, Bass and LA City council does not affect his decisions and salary, that would be the LAFD. The LA County Board of Supervisors sets the funds for LACoFD. LAFD funds are set by LA City.
1961 film “Design for Disaster” predicted this exact fire
Was that film based on the Bel Air fire?
The difference is that the firemen actually fought that fire house to house and they only lost 458 homes.
In this fire the fire department ran away
@@MinusEighty like Uvalde: Fire Edition
So did a 007 movie a view to a kill.
@@MinusEightySpunds like they could stand to recruit some brave new talent. I imagine you’ll be tossing your hat in the ring.
How many trucks were deadlined and for how long
I guess this event had a beverage sponsor
Everything is a business model. EVERYTHING.
He messed up saying that the city needs to raise property taxes imo
That's not what he said.
@ yeah he did
If nothing could have been done that day then how were feeble men in their 80's able to save several homes at a time with a garden hose?
So true.
Because it was several thousands homes in 100 mph winds.
@@CrispyOkra No it wasn't. Those wind speeds are complete BS. And you only need a couple of hundred firemen putting out spot fires to keep the neighborhood from burning.
@@CrispyOkra Show me one ring camera video that shows a 100 mph wind speed
@@MinusEighty So you're to tell me that the multiple fire departments, residence and meteorologists got together to lie to you? 🙄
SUE WHO EVER IS RESPONSABLE😊
Fire department and Karen bass
The Palisades Fire is a City of Los Angeles Fire Department jurisdiction incident not Los Angeles County Fire Department jurisdiction.
One in the same.
Yes, people need to understand the difference. The Castiac fire is a perfect example, LA county got on it quick and lost zero homes. The slow response to the Palisades fire needs to be investigated.
@@CrispyOkra nope, 2 different agencies.
@@kc72186 I stand corrected.
Parts of it made it to Malibu which is LACoFD jurisdiction and where this meeting was held
Prepare for the worst , hope for the best, nothing’s impossible!
😵💫
"We've never had these winds ". (Wind storm from 2011 has entered the chat)
And 1997 also!
I'm in san gabriel 1997-2011-2025
🤷♀🤦♀ I just dont know anymore.
@@JT-nu1oithat’s In San Gabriel dude
True, in 2011 they were stronger, except there was no fire during that event.
Can’t put the blame on anyone except whoever started it and the officials who refuse to clear brush or provide water.
Is it okay to blame the leadership of one department that sent the outgoing shift home when the other department held over the outgoing shift?
Clearing brush and supplying local water are not sufficient to stop a firestorm fed by 100 mph Santa Ana winds at 8% humidity.
@@haroldlipschitz9301 I do not doubt there was going to be a fire. However could it have been kept smaller?
@ Unlikely given how the area was developed. Narrow winding roads are popular for neighborhood seclusion but useless as firebreaks. High value areas tend to have lush landscaping, which provides additional fuel in a wind-fed fire. Wildfire experts recommend minimum landscaping, or only desert plants, no tall trees, and wide roads. Maximum use of fire resistant building materials too, which was not the case. The homes that survived often had such materials.
Don't forget about all of the broken down fire trucks.
These guys are just going to hold these meaningless meetings until the public is done yelling at them. Then they will go back to business as usual.
We already pay enough damn taxes - they suggest more for LA Co Fire?
@@Sassyone-522 YES! Do you DO their job? Do you put your life on the line everyday to keep these cities free from harm? It's so easy to place blame on these men and women because who else are you going to blame? Maybe the residents WHO choose to live among the mountain areas should be more diligent and PREPARE for these types of situations. Did you keep an watch on the winds? SMFH!
@@emramirez7846 Current funds have been misused & keep being misused - you must vote Democrat because of your reply - this is why CA’s troubles keep repeating over and over
No water, and defining the fire department and giving money to migrants, and not cleaning up kindling caused the fires.
Kindling? WTF you understand nothing. KINDLING?? The houses themselves and lush landscaping in the neighborhood were the fuel you dolt.
Once asylum seekers are granted the right to work, they lose their eligibility for government assistance.
I think if the tax payers paid for fire protection they deserve a refund.
Bass and Newsom need to take notes from this man. This is how you lead.
They are soulless beings.
Bass and Newsom 🖕nuff said
There is door bell footage from Pacific Paladise where one can see the fire arriving, and burning the city to ashes, and no emergency vehicle ever arrives to help or assist; and the much talked about winds don't seem to been that bad that day, according these footages.
IT LOOKS AS IF NO FIRE DEPT WAS THER BUT THEY TRIED THE WWINDS WERE TOO SSTRONG AND THERE WWERE CARS BLOCKING THE FIRETRUCKS FROM PUTTING THE FIRE OUT IN PACIFIC PALISADES FIRE.
SORRY FROM MY CHEEP LAPTOP
Very ignorant. There is wind data recorded from all over the region. ONE doorbell camera is not any kind of data point. Wind action can be highly localized. Maybe there was a wall of shrubs next to the property reducing wind on that particular slice of the block.
"We've never had these winds"
My grandmother told stories about the Santa Anna winds back when she lived there in the 1920's!
1961 film “ design for disaster “
Yeah this is like a once in a lifetime event I bet your grandma's not alive anymore
It was like 5-6 years ago, that we had winds like this. In San Dimas, It was crazy, hurricane wind-like conditions. No major fires. Until bum-fires under biden was a thing.
@@greggh.748 arent republicans massive on states rights? Why not blame poor bi-partisan leadership in Cali, that's the reason, not Biden. But I don't expect republicans to be smart, there's a reason the least educated parts of the country always vote red. Compare education maps per county to voting maps per county, one side is truly stupid.
The Santa Ana have existed since at least the natives lived there. But, they're usually not 100 mph.
Thank God we got the hydrants painted with rainbows in time.
😂😂...there is a snowflake here in the comments that would be quite pleased.
No fire department in the world has enough to put these fires out . The entire state of California could have sent every fire truck and it wouldn’t have been even remotely close. But you know what would help . Remove the dry vegetation from around your property! Use hard scapes! Build with concrete and metal roofs ! If you want to live in those areas!
Pretty much.
115 mil gallon reservoir drained since Feb 3.5 mi above Palisades.
It hadn't rained since last April. It would have been been empty or near empty anyway. The tanks that fed the gravity fed hydrants were filled a few days before the fire. Regardless, you can't stand in front of a wall of flame coming at you with 80-100 mph winds.
@CrispyOkra You're wrong it was drained because the cover needed repair. The firemen said there were million gallon tanks unfilled that contributed to the the Palisades hydrants running dry.
@CrispyOkra 🙂 I think you're wrong but it's being investigated so we'll all find out together.
Reservoir is no use in 15 hours of 50+ mph winds. Water only works if you can get it ON the fire. Try doing that in high wind. Idiotic
@@haroldlipschitz9301 Granted but to think that you don't need water to fight the fire is also idiotic
Raising property taxes will do no good as the top brass in the city will absorb it getting big raises and bonuses. This happens all the time especially with the school districts as every time the raise my property taxes due to some bond the the voters approve nothing happens and the schools don’t do anything but give the top administration big hefty raises.
hOW ABOUT THE FIRE BOATS? Too much too ask someone to think outside the box?
I watched vids of the boats- they do have a large stream, dont know why they let the homes on the sand burn
Yes. lol
We should have used some fire boats, we could have at least saved some of the PCH homes. I didn't know about this until I watched," Using Seawater To Fight Fires in SoCal | Why No Water | Fireboats | Seawater Myths!" the title here on youtube.
How are those going to get on top of a mountain?
@@nannerz1994 If you watch the video I recommended, hoses from the boats can go pretty far into the land by linking trucks together. They could have at least saved PCH homes easily.
Why? I’m not buying your excuses. You could have done better with proper planning! Come on!
Did you not hear what he said? They held the off going shifts, doubling their man power. Their fully staffed department was deployed to Pacific Palisades which is LA City FD's territory. There are simply not enough resources. This Fire Chief is a real leader who is telling them the buck stops with him, not like the DEI lesbian running LA City FD who points the blame to everybody but her own management.
Oh sure, internet hero is going to lecture professionals on PROPER PLANNING for 15 hrs of 80-100 mph mountain firestorm. Suuuuuuure
I knew it will come to this. At the end there is only one woman to blame, her name is Santa Anna,
I do not believe this 100 mph winds, maybe some measuring station at some mountaintop had that wind, but there is no footage which shows hurricane winds
@@niilespunkari8832 Exactly. The ring door bell footage doesn't show that strong of winds.
"We did everything we could to make sure every possible derelict action could be taken, to ensure everything got incinerated."
BAD MANAGEMENT. WHERE IS 25+ BILLIONS MISSING PATHETIC ADMINISTRATION NEEDS TO GO. CORUPTION AT ITS FINEST.
Increasing property taxes is bot the answer. The CA Government needs to spend the high tax $’s we pay on our basic needs, bot their pet projects
They all needs to be held accountable
Blame whoever you want just dont ask me to pay for it.
IMPORTANT- At the first press conference on the 8th- Crowley said something like " the fire was just 10 acres and before you knew it it was 500 acres" and all I thought was imagine if they had positioned fire trucks early? None of this would have happened
THE 100 MPH WINDS DID THE DAMEGE MOVING EMBERS IT WAS too much for any human yet alONE the entire LAFD
Impossible to say. Water has to get ON the fire to put it out. Hard to do in 80-100 mph winds for over 15 hrs
It is utterly disappointing for anyone to be placing the blame on the firefighters for homes burning down. In a perfect world, there would be enough police officers for every person in this state and a firetruck for every perimeter, BUT THERE ISN'T and to point fingers at these men who were out there EVERY SINGLE DAY fighting these fires with NO SLEEP, NOTHING TO EAT, some lost their own homes , away from their families, and putting their lives on the line for nearly the last 2 weeks is diabolical and SHAME ON YOU ALL! For that matter, the question can be reversed on you; what did YOU do to prepare for winds this bad that we haven't seen in years, let alone fires?! WHAT DID YOU DO?! Be grateful you have your life, your animals (some of you), and the ability to breathe. My goodness. We ALL feel for you, especially those of us in the San Gabriel Valley community. To blame these men and women is simply WRONG! I send my prayers to you all.
The reservoir would have helped.
Not one bit. At least not till the winds died down 15-18 hours later.
People had best know that you can't stop, much less, put out fires like that. The wind can boost oxygen levels increasing the fire temperatures up to 2200F- 3000F degrees. Your hose streams are being broken up and like your helo drops turning into steam before and immediately upon reaching the fire. Pray!
Then how did homeowners stop it with garden hoses?
@@MinusEighty They got lucky, maybe 10-15 min break in the wind. Or perhaps they had a pump from their swimming pool.
Taxes are higher than almost anywhere, and this bum says its not enough.
State taxes are high to fund the state from the lack of federal funding. California pays the most into the federal tax system while receiving the least per capita. They receive approximately $12 person in federal funding, while small red states that contribute little receive as much as $10,000 per person. Maybe they should withhold federal taxes to fund themselves.
Wouldn't California's situation be better without three million illegals?
What if homelessness and unemployment weren't so common?
How much better would it be if more Californians paid taxes?
Maybe you should build firehouses in all these housing developments instead of waiting for you to come from downtown area and you need to maintain your fire hydrants and your equipment as far as fire trucks plus do more control burns to get rid of dead weeds and brushes.
Do they all need a little drink like that? Paid by taxes. Why doesn't everyone in the room get one? I'm sure they can go a few minutes without water to drink. Just shows how clueless they are.
Ducking lies I hate firefighter leadership
will never change....world-wide.
Fire department always lie
Avg LA firefighter pay is $300k per year…yes, there is not enough taxation…that must be the problem
Fake. Range is $71K-$130K, DOE
There’s not enough fire trucks per household it’s simple.
Budget cuts, budget increase, full reservoir wouldn’t have made a difference.
LAFD is a class 1 department you cannot be more prepared and staffed then a class 1 department.
Seen a video this morning of a lady that found one of the rockets used to start the fires. It didn't ignite apparently and the authorities where there investigating.
Solid response
Theyre busy with their DEI policies
Can we at least wait till the fires are out before we point fingers!
The fires got so bad in the first place because no one was willing to point fingers at themselves and say "Im accountable for this", and then prove it.
The fires have been out for weeks...
Now with the rebuilding process, there's opportunities to troubleshoot and make sure this never happens again
Why was the Santa Ynez reservoir closed/out of order? Why does Gavin Newsome, Karen Bass, LAFD no one has an answer for this one?
The reservoir is irrelevant. Water has to get ON the fire to put it out. Can't do that in 15 hrs of howling winds at 8% humidity
@ I understand that 100 mph winds. But you’re saying Santa Ynez with 100 million gallons would not have helped at all ?
@ After the winds died down, not much. The issue was not water supply, it was water pressure. When people evacuated, many left their water mains ON. Once houses were burned/damaged, pipes were leaking everywhere. This reduced total system pressure. At that point fire crews would have to bring in tanker trucks anyway. Hydrants would be (and were) useless.
@@haroldlipschitz9301 oh okay great thanks. I think that’s more than what the Mayor of LA has explained and Gavin Newsome. Appreciate your response
Where is Karen B and Newsome?
Bass has no ass left after trump chewed it off.And newscum didn't attend the meeting with trump because he knew his ass would have been chewed off TOO.Those two are hiding now because the public will not stop the ass chewing until they are fired
You cant stop intentional government lasers, especially without water.
Please stop taking water from inyo county
Where's the FULLER version?
That’s their solution? Higher property taxes? An investigation/ audit needs to be done on their spending because Los Angeles is in the red. Poor management all around!
If they would have stopped the fires early when their small. It would have saved thousands of homes. They waited to long. It their FAULT
I noticed there’s no Native American people in the audience. Maybe they knew Mother Nature elements can’t be controlled and Biblical?❤
Increase the fire department across the board
All that ocean water is not one drop was used on any flame 😰
This is what happens when you vote for Biden and Newsom be carful what you wish for. Stop voting because of dems and republicans vote for what’s right. All la is worried about is DEIB. Time to come back to reality and get Newsom and Bass out of here!
But Los Angeles has enough money to fund a stupid high-speed boondoggle to Las Vegas.
Sleeping at the wheel how u like living in California now let Hollywood rebuild California lol
Tired of hearing excuses. ALL leaders in California are responsible for this disaster. More money won’t fix this. Policy with common sense is where to start.
lol, all these people complaining about taxes, and there are people’s houses burned down show you their priorities.
Like if you don’t like living where you have to pay taxes to protect your home from a fire then leave, seriously.
Too bad to, since a lot for these people will not be able to move let alone rebuild.
If we had taken enough precautions before and paid whatever was necessary to prevent this from happening we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
I blame Trump and Republicans for the fire response. Democrats would have never allowed this to happen
LA County Fire Chief talks about increasing taxes. I would agree that resources were limited, but this is not the first rodeo. Pre-planning is a must. Increasing taxes in not the answer. They have plenty of money allocated yearly. Use it wisely and pre-plan with a unified response.
City's and county's keep building but don't fund fire and police departments !!!!!
Thank you for saving air water flowers fish birds and environment. Great job. Lecture us some more how we should live.
Nothing to do with situation in LA. Literally zero
@ it’s two toxic disasters one is the fire itself. The second one is where we going to mismanaged the waste? There seems to be a theme of we hold you to the letter of the law and our government mismanage’s everything. See where denied coverage now we’re in delay rebuilding.
Clean your mess up on the ground. You make bad policy that creates this problem.
YOU GET WHAT YOU VOTE FOR
Have you seen those fancy watter bottles? Cov ered by our taxes?
It’s a good question, but the answer comes with a tough reality, you can’t depend on city leadership. Also, I’m not defending the lack of accountability, but with a combination of high winds, and poor planning. The fires were very hard to stop.
Why do they keep talking to us that way? Never mind I actually know the answer but this we’ve never had. These wins is complete bullshit. I grew up here and I’ve seen wins uproot trees in mass. We have had these wins, but there’s a lot of things that we haven’t had before that we do now most you know what those are most. Do you know what those changes are most? Do you know that some of you and the people I believe we never had these wins before probably don’t.
There were winds in 2011 that were stronger. The thing that was different was that no fire started. If a fire started in the same place in 2011 it would have been worse - just luckily no fire started.
Go look at the condition of the firehouses and that’s what they think you.
It's different EVERY SINGLE YEAR!!!
This is not the Firefighters fault you have to understand the political defunded them and funded their environment agent and lack of infrastructure to pressurize the water system. This was a firestorm but political mitigation funding could have prevented this or limited the this mass conflagration
Santa Anas gusting to 100 mph are not controllable. This was a fire tsunami.
Typically, about 10 to 25 Santa Ana wind events occur annually. A Santa Ana wind can blow from one to seven days, with an average wind event lasting three days. The longest recorded Santa Ana event was a 14-day wind in November 1957. It's been going on for quite some time.
Then how were homeowners able to put out spot fires with a garden hose?
Hundreds of security cameras and none show 100 mph winds...
@@MinusEighty Fake
Should always be prepared for the absolute worst. Not hope and pray that it doesn't happen because you want the money for something else. Soo sad
send the la people to Canada.
There should be Fire Trucks to maintain Structural Defense in the first line of fire before it became inferno.
Wonder 1% of property tax they mention does not sufficient support this. LA i think is rich people home, 1% property tax is big figure.
Hope they got to see all those raw videos on the internet. One of the video shows young jolly men right next to a starting mountain fire, giggling
Hi i live in Australia, I've been watching your fires in LA on fox since .I've been a volunteer fire-fighter for 35yrs.the use of airport fire trucks may have been useful in suppression in some areas. You have heaps of airports in LA ,they could have released 4 or 5 to help.
mate.....at the end of the day...Those responsible,in Command, had no fn idea What to do.
Fire prone? Does that mean prone to arsonist?
Sorry guys but your tactic of “structure protection” instead of getting in front of the fire to knock it down, doesn’t work. I’ve seen video after video of firefighters waiting instead of actively putting fire out. What good is wetting dry leaves 10 feet in front of active patches of fire ( small flames), instead of just spraying the fire to put it out? It’s video like that (I think it was ABC7) that makes people wonder if this wasn’t all planned in order to put a bunch of rules and regulations in place to keep people in cities. It does absolutely zero to pat yourselves on the back while making excuses why almost every house that caught fire, was destroyed. You guys failed, plain and simple. 45 minutes to respond to the Palisades? Totally inexcusable. You had time to get in front of it. Somehow I feel this was the fire departments way of the “quiet quitting” many of the brats in todays companies do to protest something they don’t like. Maybe the budget cut from last year? You’ll teach everyone a lesson they won’t forget? Maybe?
She was in a gay parade being brave and stunning
Where is Nikki hiding?
They always go to "I'm so proud of our fire fighters that day" etc.. its a way to deflect any responsibility for anything.. because as soon as you say "I'm proud of our fire fighters etc" it instantly makes everyone have to acknowledge them and be sheepish to criticize anything. Each individual fire fighter is a hero and did everything they could I'm sure.. but the city management and fire management wasnt prepared for the fire and needed more resources.
Fire and police personnel do jobs the average person would NE VER DO! SHAME ON YOU for your criticism. Had these men and women saved more homes, BUT lost their colleagues, I would hope this same energy would have been given. SHAMEFUL!
@@emramirez7846 You clearly didnt read my comment "Each individual fire fighter is a hero and did everything they could I'm sure" To suggest that no one can ask any questions or want answers as to why the CITY wasn't better prepared, thats shameful. SHAME ON YOU!! Everyone agree's the fire fighters are hero's. My point is that, they say that, because it causes people to clap and stop asking questions.
There is NO preparation possible for fires of this scale. Not with so much fuel available in hilltop neighborhoods. Wood homes, tar/shingle roofs, lush landscaping, forget it. Impossible task.
@ Yes, nothing can be done differently in the future, because as you said, it was impossible. We should continue to underfund our fire department, make sure our reservoir is empty, not clear excessive dry brush in the mountains or build more fire roads etc. I agree!! :P
@ Never said that. There have been serious suggestions since 1962 for mitigation, but residents and developers did not want to implement them
Anybody say forest management?
Yea tax us more huh
LAFD can’t fight multiple wildfires all at once in LA County as local politicians have cut their department budgets and blocked the flow of waters from the North. Bass has to go immediately, or more disasters on home losses to wildfires will continue to happen in near future as history will repeat itself all over again.
He's the LACoFD chief not LAFD two different departments
@@Show-cv4txmost still don't know lA is a city and LA County is like 90 cities l/towns
Karen is not there because the adults are talking. She is now required to just sit in another room with her mental peers making things out of playdough and macaroni.
He was probably checking if we had enough sewer water for the fire than the people. As the smelts can't return the fresh water to the reservoirs.
Local reservoirs do not use water from elsewhere in the state. Idiotic. They are literally in the mountains.
The questions that should be asked are; how many engines did La County/ La City upstaff? How many strike teams were prepositioned for the red flag event? Lastly and most importantly why was “IROC” the So Cal State resource ordering system down the day of the fire? Almost no out of La area engines were not dispatched until the next day the 8th.
Yeah except for he just told you how many
@ but with 100 mph winds forecasted it wasn’t enough and neither was the strike teams sent to cover the La area.
Follow the money
Our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ doesn’t just “do this” out of boredom. There have been bad things happening in that city for decades, and it was just a matter of time before something happened… I mean, the scandals, the promiscuous parties, the superficial atmosphere and attitudes, the disdain for regular working-class people, worshipping the devil, DEI, mocking the Bible-the list goes on and on.
Look, I do feel bad as a Christian… I do! But now is the time to humble yourselves, reset your lives, keep your heads up, spirits high, work very, very hard, and pick up a Bible and pray. 🙏🏻
You’ve got this!
Well said Chief !!!!! Your property taxes pay for every day , single house fires and medical aid responses ,NOT for SANTA ANA URBAN INTERFACE DISASTER type fires ! Hello PEOPLE