GET on the TEMPO TRACK! Breathe life into your music and BE THE CONDUCTOR
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2024
- In this episode, Alex does the splits between staying on the grid in your DAW and adding liveliness and expression into your music, and he explains one of the tools to do both: the tempo track.
After going through the programming and different methods for scoring to picture, Alex gives us some personal insights into a musical project for which re-programming the tempo track was absolutely essential.
Virtual Orchestration is a collaboration between Berklee College of Music (Boston, USA) and Orchestral Tools (Berlin, Germany).
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Video creation credits:
Script / video concept 📜 : Alex Lamy, Eduard Flemmer
Music 🎶 : Alex Lamy
Script Consultation 🔍: Sascha Knorr, Hendrik Schwarzer
Camera 🎥 and Editing ✂️ : Fabián Barba Hallal
Motion graphics 🎨 : Michael Logar
Production Assistant 🎬 : Aleksi Oksanen
Please do an advanced tempo mapping video, really loved this video.
The OT team is doing a wonderful job with these videos, and once again the graphics really help bring the topic to life. Adding another vote for more advanced follow up video!
Advance tempo map video for sure! That’s be amazing!
Great video and channel!
Great as allways thank you
Yes! Please an extended version of this video.
I agree. An advanced video showing the click track would be very useful!
Excellent video Mr Lamy! Conductors going rogue, like Bersteins famously slow interpretation of Elgar's Nimrod.
Yes, please! Adv click track video 😊
I program piano or hi-hats MIDI on top of the live recording(s) and create a flexible tempo track😉
This is basically what I do, yeah! I use a click sound in Kontakt so I can play in a click track and then move some notes around. Then I make a tempo track out of that.
Thank you Alex! It' would be awesome if you share with us a new advanced video on tempo mapping!
Awesome tips. An advanced tempo mapping vid, would be great. 🙏
Yes Sir....I would like to learn the tempo mapping technique ...:)
Hello, guys.
Thank you for your hard work!
And yes, an extended version of this theme would be very much appreciated.
Basically all themes in an extended version would be great ! )
Regards, Yaroslav.
Great advice Alex ;) An in-depth video for tempo mapping would be awesome 😉
This channel is pure gold!
Amazing video as usual, and ofc yes please to the in depth video!
Woow, guys great Video as always! Sooo much good Info in here! If it's possible please do an extended click track Video! :D
Yes please do an advanced click track vid!
Great tips and excellent composition! Never thought the click track was used that precisely in film music. Bravo Alex !
Thanks, Maxime! And yes, with the click track/tempo map, every frame matters when working to picture!
Yes! Do an advanced video on tempo mapping, please. Maybe also about how we can then beef up live recordings using sample libraries afterwards.
Cool idea, Kristi!
A video on advanced tempo mapping would come in increadibly helpfull! great video!!
Great stuff please keep it coming🎉
Please do separate in depth videos on making tempo changes (1) for film scoring when the picture edit changes (2) for live recording
You're right. For any type of video, I've realized you're constantly changing tempo. You have to in order to get the music to "fit". Most of the time when I'm re-scoring something I don't even worry about the tempo. I just do it all by ear and based on what's on screen.
@@YouTw1tFace This is where DAW's have been able to make things much quicker and easier. You could say "I have to start at X and need to hit a good musical downbeat at Y, but it needs to be 8 bars long to make sense musically" and your DAW can work that out for you and give you an exact tempo for it. Very handy for that exact situation where new shots are added.
Hi Alex, lovely composition. What library was this demo for?
Thank you! It was for the Peteris Vasks Strings library 👍🏻
I'd like to see more advanced technical details about film scoring.
Yeah, I wish to use this new feature in Logic Pro with automatic click track recording points after the initial recording 👍🏻 It must help a lot in some cases
Yeah!!! advanced video please!!! and could it be the complete song of this video? to listen to it in full? :)
Which one, the strings demo or the Harp & Violin?
Actually both are out there anyway, the demo is called Dunamis, for Orchestral Tools Peteris Vasks Strings, on their website and SoundCloud.
The other track is called ‘Floating World’ for an album of mine called ‘A Thousand Blended Notes’, which is in all the usual streaming place 👍🏻
@@alexlamymusic If I like both, I liked the change to the third section, around minute 3:34, right now I'm listening to it on soundcloud,
and I subscribed to your channel to listen to the complete list, very good compositions!
Child Of The River, on soundclud; Impressive, it reminds me (as does the song composed by Gustavo Santaolalla for The Last of Us) of a certain air of an indigenous people from northern Argentina.
I saw your credits on your page, very good. 👏👏👏
This is great. (Now I just need a tutorial for clicking on the tempo change point rather than the curve point in Logic.)
It’s the opposite for me. I can never grab the curve point 😅
Maybe you can give me a tutorial! 😁
If there are so many jumps in tempo when writing to picture, doesn't it cause a nightmare for the conducter and orchestra when recording the music as per those tempo jumps?
Also, I love the irony of using the iconic musicless Jurassic Park scene as illistration 😁
It depends on how ‘musical’ the tempo feels after, but the truth is it doesn’t actually end up too hard to conduct or play along to a click like that, as long as the dodgy bits are clearly marked on the page, like pauses or large ritardandos etc.
Oh please, make a video on creating a tempo map from a live piece played freely.
Please do an advanced video!
Yes I would like an advance click track video track
I’d like an advanced tempo mapping video. Celemony Melodyne is the best I know for extracting tempo from audio, but I’d like to know how you do it. Thank you.
We will do an advanced one, I think! I usually tempo map by ear/eye. Melodyne is great these days, but in situations like this, or with choral recordings etc. it's definitely going to fail. And in the past it actually can cause problems if Melodyne is trying to analyse a tempo and your tempo track isn't static, so I generally avoid timing in Melodyne and just use it for pitch.
@@alexlamymusic "Melodyne is great the days"? Me not understand. Cheers!
@@ThomsenTower typo, meant ‘melodyne is great these days’
What if you have percussion though? Or a very rhythmic staccato?
Question: How would that look on a player’s score?
Gianni❤
It’s up to you how it looks. Tempo with real musicians isn’t mechanical anyway, so you can trust that they’ll do accels and ralls in a much more musical way.
I wouldn’t put all the tempo info on a score, just the terms needed to speed up or slow down with ‘molto’ and ‘poco’ helping how much is needed.
In a recording session, where there’s a programmed click track, it’s common practice to put + and - numbers in to give an idea of how the click has changed. But we would still remove all of the data for ralls/rits/accels unless it’s a simple change every bar. The players will get it by ear after one listen.
Is there any way to genuinely "conduct" (or tap) your own tempo map?
Because this still sounds and feels like very rigid midi programming to me (and moreover, time consuming).
In Cubase yes, it’s very easy. I’m sure every other DAW has a way to tap tempo in too, but the easiest way is to tap in on a midi track (with a click or drum sound) and then use whatever feature the daw has to get that info into the tempo track. In Cubase it’s Create Tempo From Tapping, in Logic you can do it with groove tracks and smart tempo.
I thought it was a big 'no no' to create these kind of tempo changes when writing to picture when it's going to be recorded live? Doesn't it make the player's lives a nightmare? I've always tried to use time signature changes to align to the edit rather than fiddle around with tempo map changes unless absolutely necessary...
Why would this make a players life a nightmare? These aren’t wild jumps, they’re almost imperceivable, and the players have scores with tempo indications and click track in their ears. Not to mention, the players on film scores are nothing short of spectacular.
Inserting odd length bars here and there can definitely work at times, but it does change the music.
@@alexlamymusic I agree that slight tempo changes (+/- 2-3bpm) wouldn’t cause them issues, particularly when they’re used to using a click track, but some of the tempo changes were quite drastic in your video, particularly when trying to readjust to a new edit. The crescendos are relatively simple in that you can indicate an upcoming acceleration to players through notation, I just think big sudden tempo shifts means there will probably be some drift until they get used to the change right? Also echoing what an orchestrator friend said to me, he always said avoid tempo mapping changes wherever possible…
@@CatoHoeben honestly, I’ve never had an issue when recording. We’ve done programmed click to a Capella choir before where it’s all over the place, and the musicians get it. You can always drop in when recording as well, and provide new click, or 8ths click into new sections. Ralls and Accels are also no problem really - Second take at most.
In the scoring to picture section no tempo info is given, it’s just the animation. It does kind of look like massive tempo changes, but in reality they wouldn’t be, they’d still be within a few bpm (you also don’t want to change the music by mangling the tempo either!)
Not sure why an orchestrator would advise against tempo changes though. They’re part of music, and not every cue is static. You can help things by picking tempos that divide easily, but it all depends on the picture in the end. Again, just reiterating, usually the players are stellar, they just eat it all up and even when you think something is difficult they just do it first time. Always blows me away.
@@alexlamymusic ok, that’s comforting to hear. I’ve been in a few sessions before as an assistant, but as I have a big one coming up scored only by me, I’m keen to prepare things to go as smoothly as possible. Will try tempo changes for this one then and hopefully all will work out! Thanks for the replies, add my vote to a video on advanced tempo mapping too please.
Sounds great, have fun with your session! If you give your recording engineer heads up about any difficult changes they should be able to prepare audio clicks in new tempos for drop ins. Otherwise I’m sure it will go smoothly! 👍🏻
No, if the composer himself recorded his composition at 150bpm. Then that is the correct tempo. Every other tempo is wrong, cause if that was the tempo.the guy who wrote the music wantef, he would have used that tempo. But he didn't. You can interpret music however you want, but then it becomes your version of their music. But the correct way to interpret music is by following exactly all the information given.
If the composer marked on there use whatever tempo you want then that would be correctly interpreting his music. But if he has 150 BPM marked, and you play it at 100 BPM then that is a wrong interpretation of his music.
Yes music do need to breathe, but I have to point out some of the stuffs you show us in the video are almost impossible for live players.
Which parts? I’ve worked a lot with live players, and done ‘live to picture’ concerts, and I’ve not had any issues with things like this 🤷🏻♂️
@@alexlamymusichow about 6:22?
@@alexlamymusicplease let me know how to do 6:22 in the real world… would love to learn how to make it possible for the live players😂
@@alexlamymusicalso i want to clarify that if the music is very slow with tons of footballs, then yes, it will work. But I don’t think it will work well with faster tempo
@@xiaoyiyingmusic Re: 6:22, Honestly, they'd hear the click once, try it once, and probably get it on the second try. It's musical enough to get the intention, and the precision isn't important, the feeling of speeding up and slowing down is.
Faster tempos are the same, if not easier, to do this with. The only thing that doesn't practically work in the real world is large, unprepared jumps in tempo, especially if there are also things like 4/4 to 7/8 with that, where you want to hear the tempo beforehand. For a concert, you need more rehearsal on a part like that. In a recording session, you just drop in for that section and give the players two bars of click at the new tempo.